Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Celtics sold for $6Bil + Penny Hardaway joins the show

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NBA stories of the week including the Boston Celtics being sold for $6 billion, Memphis basketball coach Penny Hardaway joining the show, and more!04:16 - Celtics sold for $6 billion15:33 - Penny Hardaway joins the show35:34 - Lakers vs. Nuggets Recap43:00 - Lakers vs. Suns Recap(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Boston Celtics has been sold for $6.1 billion, the highest price ever paid for North North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades. Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion. The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023, and far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba when he brought the team the same year. The Grossbet Group brought the Boston Celtics Ocho for $360 million and now sells it for almost

20 times. It's about asking price yeah. In other words what they call in business 20x. Yeah most definitely. Yeah Ocho if you had if you had let's say 10 billion. Oh talk to me. You got 10 million dollars would you buy a sports not only would I buy a sports franchise I'm buying three sports franchises and I'm gonna what which one where I'm gonna tell you where I'm gonna go first of all you listen to me okay stay with me now I'm listening if I had 10 billion dollars for one I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and do Tobin Daddy have to go somewhere else that's fair mom and pop

Boom, so if I can't get that I'm going to Naples, Italy I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer in the beautiful game I want to owe I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli. Do everything I will. Do everything in my power. Bring in all type of players. You know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want. Bring in superstars. Second thing I'm going to do. I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. You think Mick Harrison goes, hello, you just saw what the Celtics went for? How much money you think you have to fit in?

Oh, to get Napoli. Oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much that that that that franchise and the entity will cost me. But again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to remove Pat Riley, because Pat Riley's way of doing things isn't isn't isn't conducive for business with today's era of players. And this is Miami. This is Miami and players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for, for ethnicities and culture.

How does nobody want to come play here? No superstars. Listen, we got Bam, we got Tyler Herro. You drafted them. Again, I understand that, but we can't get any superstars here. We need, we got Bam, we got Tyler Herro. You drafted him. Again, I understand that, but we can't get any superstars here. We need one more. Jimmy left. So, boom, that's two.

Napoli and the Miami Heat. Now I'm not sure how much I'm going to have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me. Chad, you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while we talking about it. And the rest of that, I'm going to sit on and I'm open up a cigar lounge. Oh my goodness. Oh, that's it. 980 mil. So you got, so you got, so basically they go, they go probably up charge. So 10% so they go charge you a billion. So you get a chart,

they're going to charge you a billion, a billion, 1.1. OK, so now you got 8.9. OK. NFL, you want to get an NFL team. You told me I can't. You can't. What about the Dolphins? You think Stephen Ross will sell me the Dolphins? He might be willing to sell you a majority share.

How much are we talking about with a majority share of the Dolphins? What you think? What you think? Probably somewhere between two and a half and three and a half. Oh, that's done. That's done. That is done. And listen, I'm manifesting this. I'm manifesting this. I hope from my mouth to God's ears. Maybe it can happen.

Maybe it won't. Let me dream big, I can dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's gonna happen. Yeah. Normally, Ocho, if like a family-owned business, there need to be internal chaos. We saw that with the Bolans,

they ended up selling the franchise. But if there's not chaos, like I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale. Jerry Jones is going to have that in his trust that the Cowboys are never to be sold. Now once he's gone, I mean, hey, I'll be a saiyan. But like Mike Brown, that's it. His dad started that franchise after he got out of Cleveland. Because that's where the Browns get their name from. And now he went to, Art Modell fired him and so forth and so on.

Mr. Modell brought the team. And then he started the Bengals. Me personally, Ocho, I don't believe they'll sell it. No, they wouldn't. But it's just a thought. It's just a thought. Listen, where I was drafted, where I created, I left my footprint, my stamp, and just knowing that I could just be an owner of the place where I played at, it would be...

It just... Maybe they tell you a minority share. Maybe they sell you 10, 20%. Because it's just hard for me to see, like, even though I think she just passed Virginia McCasky, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who founded the Bears. They've only had one owner.

The Steelers and the Rooney's. The Steelers have owned since 1933. Now, there was one year, I think, the McClatchys owned it, and they ended up getting it back. So the Rooney's have been, so basically since 1933, okay, you got the Maras and the Tishias. They co-own the Giants. Now, it looks like they're willing to sell a minority stake, but no controlling aspects. So basically, you know, you're going to get some money, but you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations or coaches and hiring and buying things like that

So I'm looking at team. I like that. I don't need I don't need no say in day-to-day operations I want to be in the war room. Okay, I want to be in the war room. Listen. I also I have an eye for talent I have an eye for talent. I know what things that look like. Yeah, listen, I just want to give my suggestions. Okay, I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my bangles pin. I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown when we go to training camp. We watching the players, you know. What you call it? What you call it? In the owner's meeting? Owner's meeting. I'm at the owner's meeting, You know, nice in my suit and in my tie. What else?

NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pin and pad, you know. I got my stopwatch when everybody running the 40. Owners don't be there, Ocho. I mean, most of the only owners there is Jerry. And I don't even know what Jerry showed up this year. Did Jerry go to the Combine this year? Normally, owners don't go. They send their general managers. They send everybody,

you know, general managers, your scout, personnel, things of that nature. I want to be hands-on. If I get any type of minority share of the bangles, you know, God willing, if God wants to bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere, But listen, I know Mike, listen, Mike Brown, Katie Choi, if this happens, please allow me to put in, you know, and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing. The fans would love that. Huh?

Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning Napoli? And then and then and then it takes a lot of bread. And then having some some some a piece of the Miami Heat too. Oh, hey, and then you know what you know, the good thing about it is someone like me, if I was able to attain that type of wealth, I'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change, wouldn't change a thing. I still be the same, the same, same old,

you need to find me, I'm at McDonald's. You wanna find me, you can find me at the Cuban spot. You know, just doing the same thing I always do. I like that, I like that. From my mouth to God's ears. Yeah, you might better hope, maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another team,

have somebody wanna start another franchise, but it's hard, you're more apt to get somebody to move than they make it an odd number, 33. Cause you got 32 teams and you got four team divisions. So that seems to be, NFL kind of seems to be set. It looks like if anything, the NBA will add two franchises, one in Vegas and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost to Super Sonics and you got Vegas.

They got a football team, they got a soccer team, I mean, excuse me, they got a hockey team, baseball is coming in a couple of years. They got a WNBA squad. So they'll have the four major sports. They'll now they get a basketball team. And it looks like that thing gonna go for five, $6 billion.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Energy Line"] Guys, we're getting ready to get joined by, had injuries, not robbed him. He was one of the great players in NBA history. He's well on his way to being the guy that talked about he was the second coming of Magic Johnson. A big point guard, not only could score, but he could facilitate. Here he is yields one sent himself mr. penny hardaway pity you got us yes Kierke trying to get it right my man

we're just on there it is what's up what's up good man we good we good so you still pity you still owe me a 101 man what's good hey oh so you can get there okay let me, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do for you I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm a spot you five you hear me. I Appreciate that. I'm gonna take them Penny was a four-time all-star three-time all NBA selection and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers Penny you match up tomorrow against CSU Colorado State the Memphis Tigers, Penny, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State.

You feel comfortable with what you've been able to, your team going into this game, because you know, it's one and done now, Penny. It ain't no, hey, we get ready, hey, we gotta go back to work the next day. You lose this game, your season's over. Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man, but this is what you want when you, you know,

this is what you live for. When you're an athlete, you live for these days, so we understand the magnitude of what man, but this is what you want when you, you know, this is what you live for. When you're an athlete, you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on. We understand that they're a really good team, but we are also, you know, and at the end of the day, we got to come and compete. They have a great offense and they play physical on defense. All of that, you know, goes along with March Madness, man.

We're ready for it. Hey, I'm going to talk about your NBA career real quick. Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach? Looking back at my game and how it inspired me as, I'm sorry, the NBA days.

Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court back then that inspired your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis? Well, it's just kill mode. For me, everything I did on the court was kill mode. So I coached the same way. I put that battery in the back of my guys' back

and I'm their biggest fans. I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both were the same way, man. You just gotta, when y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every possession was to kill the dude that was in front of me.

You're right. Penny, let me ask you this, Penny, because I ask a lot of great players, you know, had Isaiah on and I have Coach Prime, who's a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you, even though you work, you could see things

before they develop. How do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys probably not gonna be Penny Hardaway, how do you have the patience? Because you tell a kid something and then he F it up. You go over this in practice and he F it up. You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went over this.

How do you have the patience to do what you do Penny? Man it's just one of those situations that we say back home was already understood, doesn't have to be explained. I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me so I it didn't have to be explained. So what I do is I put them in positions to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group. Defensively. So it's all about the team. And then their individual gifts that they have, I put them in those positions to be great. And that's the best thing to do. For me, I know when I played, I was God gifted.

I could play all over the court. The coaches gave me the ball. But this guy might need to spot up. He might need to pin down. He might need to play out of close out. This guy might need to ISO. So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game.

And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win. See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players' weaknesses and your strengths. Now I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, all for the coordinators understood

what their players did well, I think it would make things much easier, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player strengths. So everyone could play, so offensively everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality. Yeah, coach. Yeah, for sure, man. Because all these scouting reports are gonna put them in their weaknesses. offensively, everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality.

Yeah, for sure, man, you know, because all the scouting reports are gonna put them in their weaknesses. So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in a strength like that. Pedi, let me ask you this. The NIL or whatever the case may be active or whatever, whatever the case may be, it's made a lot different or more difficult. Because Pedi, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach Because if you get too hard on them penny, they're gonna jump in the portal on you. No, no, how do you make sure you're trying?

To like make a kid understand or get a kid to understand son I'm trying to put you in the best position that I possibly can to help you succeed Without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need. I'm going here. Or somebody coming in and saying, son, hey, I see you and I can give you 250, I can give you $300,000.

How do you deal with that now, Penny? Because it's a lot different than when you played. I think that what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me. And when I give the guys the money, right, when they come in as a basketball player, I'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible. But then you got to give me something as well. You know, the work coaches to play for are the coaches that are,

they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right? So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ocho, I know who y'all are already. I'm gonna put you in this situation and we're gonna have a partnership.

It ain't gonna just be all about me. And when you do that and you stand on the truth of everything that you tell this young man, then they respect that man and the respect factor goes a long way. You know when you respect your coach, you'll run through a wall. You don't want no butt hole coach. You don't want no coach that's gonna be

all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time, and not really trying to see your side of things because in today's game, you gotta see the other kid. You gotta see his side. In our era, the coach said what he said and we just did it. That was it. Yeah.

Hey, Pinty, let me. You got it on? Let me ask you, Pinty, let me ask you this. What happens when a player comes to you and say, coach, I need more minutes. I ain't getting the minutes where I'm going to have to leave. If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes. So I'll stand on the truth.

If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and doing and putting the work in. We need to work on the unrequired, unrequired hours as well, not just come to practice and thinking you're gonna get shots up, but what are you doing to affect winning, positively, not negatively? You're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to the gym,

you're not watching film, you're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready. Staying ready so you don't have to get ready. A lot of these guys come to the gym during practice, they might make a couple bucks, but they don't sprint the lane, they don't get a stick hand up, they don't take charges. They're not playing tough, multiple efforts. And that's what's going to get you on the floor with me. If you're not on the floor,

then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're needing you to do. And we give it to them in black and white. We have non-negotiables. These are non-negotiables. If you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level, you can't get many minutes. And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level where you can do those at a high level. And now with coaching that way with that type of transparency, do the players react well like that as opposed to you know you got to think about this today today's era everybody is getting participation trophies. They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of even when you're not doing

things the right way. Do they do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency? They react well to the truth because I love on them as well. You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you. If you're ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. You ready to watch film? I'm ready. I'll take them out to lunch, whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand.

I need you. But you got to do your part, too. You just not going to be given this. And I know what what Shannon, that they'll transfer, but when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity, you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway, and you stand on the truth. That truth is everything. They respect that more.

I've had the guys respect that more. You've been at Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach? Nah, not really. I was gonna be in TV. I was gonna go to ESPN, TNT and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all.

Obviously I had the background, being a point guard, understanding the game. And I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was gonna be a college coach. Hey. Would you? Now, I was gonna say be a college coach. Hey, would you? Now, I'm going to say that I like the fact that you transition into coaching and obviously you might, you might've wanted to do TV with as much knowledge of the game that you do have playing it at a very high level, being very

successful at it and now coaching. Like, are there any unexpected challenges you have being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level? Uh yeah because you you you don't they don't see it like you you want them to see it like you but it's also a challenge to me to to develop and teach until I get it that's the that's the drive for me right that's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in June to be ready by the time the season starts and as the season goes on to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player because Every kid that comes to my my team that's been a good player somewhere else

They become a great player here because I'm so invested in that in each young man on Their skill set their mental off-the-court things. It's a full-time job. It's not just being a coach. And when you when you did when you shot blue trips, did you know much about Shaq and what did you expect to come out of that movie? Did you did you ever think like damn man, I sure wish I could play with this fella. You know when I we did we had an Olympic festival. It was like North, South, East, West teams in the summertime. It was held in Minnesota South, East, West teams in the summertime.

It was held in Minnesota and Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half a summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit. But Blue Chips, I used that platform to show Shaq who I was. The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie, to make it. I like that. I did that.

I did that. I did that every day. Peter, have you ever thought about, man, if my knee, cause I think you had a knee issue. You tried to come back. You ended up having, did you end up having microfracture on that knee? I did. The microfracture took me out.

I had seven knee surgeries all together, but the last one was microffactor, that was it. Same knee, left knee. Is that, and if I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone, they drill into the bone, try to let it drain, try to make it, let it heal on its own. And some people have had Microfactor and it worked.

I think Rod Woodson, he had Microfactor. I think Bruce Smith had Microfactor and they've had eight, ten plus years of great play. You, it kind of robbed you of your lift and now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end? You know I didn't but the thing that was so crazy is was I was playing in Phoenix and we were playing the Lakers. The Unileakers won the championship in 02.

And I was playing with the Toro Maniscas. I tore my Maniscas in the first round against San Antonio. And I kept playing and I got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the playoffs. Okay. And y'all know how that is, right? So I was in fucking pain. And I was playing with the Toro Maniscas.

And Tim Duncan, who was much smarter than me, he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested and you know what happened after that his greatness or whatever But it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series. I still was I had spring I had quickness if you looked in that series that was about 20 a game We took those guys to six games and obviously lost after that. I didn't need the microfracture I just needed that that maniscus area to prepare and man, I got them that microfraction that took me out because I still had bouncing strength. Even though I was feeling some pain, I still had my quickness. I still had my

power after that microfracture, man. My quad depleted and I never got my quad strength back like ever. Yeah, that's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries is the surrounding muscles. Is that's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries is the surrounding muscles. To get that strength back and people realize that, oh my knee feel good, but if that quad, if that hamstring, if that calf, if those attached muscles, if they're not repressing, it's not gonna fire and it's not gonna be able to, it's your stability. That's your stability to be able to sustain that up down because you doing this every night Back then penny y'all played 75 at least 75 games. It wasn't no load management Well, you take 15 games out you missed 15 20 games. You missed 15 20 games. You were injured

Yeah, what no? Oh, yeah, penny got the night all cause you know, he doesn't play the back-to-back He got to play three games in a week. So we will Peta the next game off. There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all, but the biggest thing about me, I was gonna play for my fans. I knew people would come to the game to see me so I wouldn't miss no games. Ever.

I was really, really hurt. I like it, I like it. Coach, I'll. Well, I'd have asked all my good juicy questions, but I'm good, I'm just ready for this one-on-one, boy. That's it. We can get that in. Peta,'s your you grew up in Memphis you played at Memphis you coach at Memphis is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis? Man that'd be tough

that would be tough I mean everybody know I bleed blue man and it got kind of rocky last year so I didn't know where it was gonna go. But honestly, I wanna win a championship for my city. I really do. If something comes about, we'll cross that road, but everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart, man. Right.

Penny, tell the story how you got the name, because I think you told the name, your grandmother was calling you Pretty, and they thought you were saying Penny. And so tell the story how you got the name. I was living with my mother until I was calling you Pretty, and they thought you were saying Penny. And so tell the story how you got the name. I was living with my mother until I was five, and then my mom left me with my grandmother. So when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood,

she used to call me Pretty, and with her Southern accent, it sounded like Penny, honestly. And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. She was like, there's no Penny that lives here, and I was like, grandmother I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. She was like, there's no Penny that lives here. And I was like, grandmother, that's me.

And that's how it just stuck from that point. I just started letting everybody call me Penny. That's loud. See, now we understand, now y'all understand why Glorilla, how she sound. She from the same, she from the same day. Yeah, Glow. She from the same area as Penny.

Penny, thank you for joining us, bro. Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament. And when you cut down the nets, come back and join you. Come back and join your boy. I will, and we gonna get that one on one. I got you, baby. Man, I salute you, baby.

All right, same, brother. Hey, one more thing, Penny, before you go, I need them Galaxy phone posits. I know you got them, Penny. What size? 12. No, 13, 13. I got you, got them coming.

13, 13. You got them coming. You got them coming. They're gonna be there. So long as I get back home, I just get them 12. No, 13, 13. 13, 13. You got that coming. You got that coming. They're gonna be there. So long as I get back home, I just get out. Yeah, yeah, I see that. Appreciate it, Penny. Thank you, bro.

No doubt. All right. All right. Mr. One-Scent himself, Penny Hardaway, great dude, man, Ocho. I don't know, like, this chat, how many people remember watching Penny play, but he was a whizzer with the basketball.

He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson, a guy that was six, seven and a half, that could score, he could score the difference between he and Magic. Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball and could play with the back, but he was a big guard like Magic.

Magic six, nine, Penny six, seven. We hadn't seen point guards like that that could handle the ball like, handle it. And then think about him and Shaq. Him and Shaq. In the pick and roll, the lob, Penny getting downhill, can finish at the rim, everything, he had the mid-range,

had a nice float game. And that Andrew, like you said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up. They ended up doing microfactor and he never recovered. He never recovered, Ocho. God, man, I hate injuries, man. And you know, sometimes guys get surgeries and you're like, damn, guys have back surgery.

Look at Gronk. Gronk had a back surgery in college. Went on, had a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had microfactor. Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had Microfactor. Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had Microfactor. They played another eight, nine years. Penny, it was downhill after that. Go ahead, Ocho.

I think about some of the injuries, man, some are great, some are great. Me, where they weren't able to finish their story. Penny Hardaway, the Peter works. Derek Rose, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, guys like so many dudes and I wish I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing. So they could finish better every year so they could finish their careers the way they should have because

injuries have robbed us to some great stories on some great unfair. Because you know, back then, oh, sure. They did that big surge and they split. You had everybody you remember. I'm from when I first got to the league. It had that big scar right down the middle that big zipper. But now to take the incision is so small.

They don't got the way they could they take part of your patellar tendon and repair it. They do cadavers. They do man technology, medical. Modern medicine has improved so much. I mean, normally if you had an Achilles, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL.

That was a death sentence. Now guys come back stronger, better than ever. Like, hold on. Cause look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back and played 15, 16 years. Went to the Pro Bowl, was I think a first or a second team All-Pro.

Man, it was, you know, when you look at it, Ocho, it's a... But to watch him, cause I'm old enough to remember, I remember him at Memphis, I remember him going to Orlando because they made the swap. They traded Chris Webber, cause Orlando got got back to back number one overall picks. And they ended up trading Chris C. Webb. He ended up going to go, if I'm not mistaken, he goes to Golden State and then Orlando swaps out and they get penny.

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Luca is his 230 point game. He had a 20 point quarter and a 20 point half. So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early. Oh, I mean, for the first quarter, they could not miss a three. They had 45 points in the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter.

Let them get back into the ball game. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter. Blew the game open. I think the Nuggets scored 31, 32 points in the fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough. Yoke, excuse me, Luca 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists. His 230 point game,

Austin Reeves had 22.8 assists. But I thought the Lakers played really well. They set the tempo early. They didn't play down to the level of competition. No, two of their best players was out. And sometimes you get that, Ocho. The Warriors made that mistake the other night. They looked at it like our Murray not playing Oh, no not play it and the next thing you know You find yourself with a hung on you but watching the game Ocho what you thought about the Lakers and how they look tonight

I mean it was impressive It was very impressive not only did Luca come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter Actually, he said they Luca set the tone for the game. What he did in the first quarter coming out with 21 points in the first half and the first quarter and everybody, everybody played well. Most of the time what happens is when you play a team that doesn't have a player. Like Murray plan and the other joke. What's his name? Joker?

Okay, Jokic. Jokic, I don't know why I keep calling him Joker. Jokic playing, you play down to your competition. Most of the time you end up losing, similar to how the Warriors did the other night. But obviously the Lakers didn't do that. They did slow down at some point, but it wasn't enough for the Nuggets to get back in the game

and they eventually ended up winning the game. So, I mean, it was a good game. Obviously, the superstars are out. You would have liked to have seen Jokers playing, Ann Marie, LeBron healthy, Luka playing, just to see a team at full strength to see what the game would have been like. Yeah, I thought the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots were playing, damn the game plan. I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan. But when the shots are playing down the game plan, I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers get careless.

There are times, look, you just have to accept. Luca is going to try some things. I mean, he's going out of bounds. He tried to throw a pass behind his back turnover. And that allowed that's what allowed the the Nuggets to make this run. They started turning the ball over in the second quarter. Although what he did, going out of what? He's going out of bounds and trying to throw the ball

behind his back to a guy right there up under the basket. I was like, Lord have mercy, Luca. But that's Luca. You have to accept the good with the bad. Right. That's his game. That's how he plays. And you have to be willing to roll with it.

You gotta think about it. When it come to him, now you do some things you don't like. You gotta accept the good with the bad, but there's more good than bad when it comes to him when he's playing. Yeah, for sure. Man, AR's been great. I like this game, but you could tell,

and you look at him from the time he got there to where he is now, he's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him. And that's what I like to see regardless of the sport you play. It needs to mean something to you. Right.

You got to want to get better. You can't rest on your laurels. Yeah. He got a three year contract, probably paid like 13, 14 million dollars. He said, nah, I want one of them big daddies. I want one of them two Hundies. I want one of them two hundies. And he gonna get it. And he would have earned it.

He would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him. Everybody in every trade always tried to include him. And a lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement. They saw the maturation.

Getting better from the three, getting better at finishing at the rim. Got Niles' handles, putting the ball to the floor, got the nice snatch pull. He's really, he's turned himself into an all-star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards and you know, you gotta get back Steph,

and you got Ja and you got Shea Gilders and you got Harden. You got some Kyrie. You got some really good guards in the Western Conference. But man, the way he's playing, he's an all-star caliber player. And he can have the ball. LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time.

If you go back and look at that, that Memphis Grizzlies series, he actually won him a game. LeBron's like, nope, don't give the ball to me. You take it, go in the game boards. And he's done that. So I just love the way he's improved, how he's gotten better in this Laker team. I think if they get healthy, I think they can be dangerous.

I still think they're a big short, but hey, we'll see what happens when the rubber needed to meet the road. Yeah. Listen, you know the game of basketball very well. So does everybody else. Everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the Lakers. They don't have a big.

In order to compete, in order to go as far as you need to go, you're going to have to have a big. And they just don't have it. But we gonna see what they can do with that two headed muscle. Once LeBron comes back, we'll see what happens. Well, cause they're gonna be small. Once Jackson Hayes goes out of the line up, they're small.

I mean, Coloco, he's okay. Little small height, okay, height's fine, but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket. And so people can just uproot him and just move him off the spot. Oh, the spot, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, and there gonna be some times that probably LeBron's gonna have to slide to the five.

I mean, cause really, if you really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know, Rudy Gobert is not going to cause you any damage. Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein, they got Chad Hormgon. But when you look at Memphis Zach Eady, he's just a big body. He just sits screens and stuff like that. Yeah, take on a space. Yeah, yeah.

So you look at the teams now, Sungoon, Sungoon now, he can be a problem for the Rockies. screens and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so you look at the teams now now he can be a problem for the Rockets. Yes sir. Yeah he's an all star. He's an all star for a reason but uh like I said I like the Lakers. LeBron gets healthy. Luca is Luca come playoff time. He has the third high scoring. No he has the second high scoring average in playoff history. With that being said, LeBron healthy, LeBron is a top five in playoff history as far as scoring. They can do some damage but I just wish they had another big, I

don't know why they signed Alex Lin. Hey uncle you ain't been too high on brother Lin. What's wrong with brother Lin? He's about, He's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history. That's his next profession. It ain't gonna be in the NBA. It's gonna be coaching basketball somewhere. Maybe high school. Ocho, Ocho! The Lakers stopped the bleeding today.

After a four game skid in which they saw them go from the two seed all the way to the five seed they got 33 points 11 rebounds eight assists from Luca they got 28 points from Austin Reed Jackson Hayes matched the season high with 19 and They win 107 to 96 Kevin Rand had 21 points Devin Booker had 19 19 for the 11th place Suns the Lakers failed three spots during the West they lost all four games they were on the road oh Joe and currently a stretch of brutal with seven games in ten days including five at home in seven days a lot of this had to do with you

remember when they had to fire the wildfires in LA. They had to make up those games. They got to make up a game in which San Antonio was supposed to play. That game got postponed, so now it got sandwiched in here. And so now they got to play. LeBron missed his fourth straight game, but Coach Reddick said, LeBron is ramping up towards a return.

Probably they won't be back until the end of the week, but couldn't come at a better time. Right. Because they needed to stop the hemorrhaging today. They were able to do that, but they're not out of the woods, because if I'm not mistaken, they still got the nuggets up on the,

yeah, they got the nuggets. They got San Antonio on the, I think they got San Antonio on the 17th, that's tomorrow. Wait. Okay, is Wimby, Wimby not playing, is he? No, no, Wimby, Wimby's done, yeah. But I thought the Lakers played really good. They needed this type of game from Luca.

Luca and Austin Reed, basically they led the charge. Jackson Hay did a great job of rolling to the rim. That's what Luca wants. Luca wants. Luca wants a guy, a big, that's agile, that's athletic. He doesn't need to be the best shooter. Can you catch lobs? How many lobs did Luca throw him?

How many lobs did AR throw him? And that's what you need. Hey, just run to the rim, son. Hey, when they come to double him, which they're gonna do, they did a lot of that late in the ball game to try to get the ball out of Luca's hands, and rightly so, and Luca, great awareness,

throw it up, Jackson Hayes brings it down, dunks it home. So, I would have loved, man, I just want LeBron to come back and not have any setbacks and see how this thing plays out for the final, you know, 17, 18 games of the regular season. But I like the way they played today. Got some great production. Gabe Vincent came in and gave him some quality minutes.

But they did a great job. KD did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Book did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Bradley Beal did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Hell, I'm not so sure Bradley Beal even scored a point. Did Bradley Beal even, I'm serious, Ocho. Did Bradley Beal even score, Ash? If he did, he had minimal points.

He had four points, Ocho. See? Yeah, I think they really they got themselves. He's on one of two players that have a no trade. He and LeBron. They really want to get up. They want to move on from Bradley Beal. So he don't want to go nowhere. It's a conversation. It's a conversation needs to be had him asking them asking him, is it some of you want to go where you

would like to play? So I kind of like it here. The weather's nice, sunshine. No, there's no place I want to go. I don't think that's true, Uncle, because he would put forth a little bit more effort, especially when it comes to playing and being contributing to them offensively. All I'm saying, they offered them an opportunity. Where do you want to go? I mean, you got to go. I get I work where you want to go I

Mean you got it. I mean to go. I mean the team's got to want you right You don't think you don't think a team would want him? Yeah, but not the team that he potentially wants to go to oh, I see. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yes Go to oh Joe. This is what you do it You need to be with a girl that likes you, not the girl that you like. You see? Go to the team that wants you, not to the team that where you want to go.

Because the girl that likes you is gonna treat you accordingly. The girl that you like, listen, I ain't gonna go down. Ocho, we not gonna do that today, Ocho. We not gonna get it there. You ain't gotta do it today. You ain't gotta do it today. You ain't gotta do it.

We'll come around to it. That's what you need to do. Yeah. And see, that's the problem. He wants to go to a team. That he want. Not the team that wants him. Hey, using that analogy,

where people can better understand it, I like that. I like that. I'm just saying, Ocho, that's like... They say, Ocho, you need to write that down. Yeah. That's one I don't have to write down. I've always lived by that. Cause you know, you give me your new, how do you say it? If you give me your you know what the kiss,

I write back, don't worry about it. Hey, one thing about it, the line is very long. Yeah. You hear me? The line is very long. Oh Joe, sometimes you got it. Oh Joe, Ocho. With those who actually will appreciate and love. Well, you know what? The door closed now.

Ocho, let me ask you this. Yeah. When someone gives you their butt to kiss, Hey, uh, ooh. What did you do to make them pull their pants down and turn around and say, kiss my butt? Did you do anything to facilitate that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Most of the time. Well, how you gonna be mad? Yeah, but Sugar ain't mad. I ain't mad at all. No, but I'm saying, how you gonna be upset talking about they give your butt the kiss when it was you had they ever give you their butt the kiss before?

You talking in general? Yes. I'm just speaking hypothetically before. You tell in general? Yes. I'm just speaking hypothetically. I'm saying in general. Oh, yeah, hypothetically speaking. Yeah, always. We always, as individuals, we always do things to get people to that point where it's like,

oh, you know what? Man, good. You done had to. No. It's life, huh? It's life. Yeah. But you know, I? It's life. Okay. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, it happens.

Damn. It happens. Yeah. Yeah, but like you said, you always, always choose who choose you. Always. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, hey, get your little,

get your, hey, uncle, little reclamation project. Don't nobody wanna fix old uncle. I was, I was, hey, I'm a reclamation project. I ain't a finished project. I'm a reclamation project. I mean, I need, you know, I need a new roof. Hey, hey, listen, we all are working in progress. You just have to find someone

that's willing to work with you. Everybody want a finish product. Ain't no such thing. Nope. There's no such thing as a finished product. Regardless of how it look, you know, it look good, look good on the outside, but it's a whole lot of work to get done on the, on the, on the interior. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.

You just got to have the right person that is willing to help you, you know, get through that process. Yeah. Sometimes, yeah, it's the outside. Sometimes you go inside, you look at that man, that house ugly. You go inside like, damn. Yeah. Man, you did an unbelievable job. And sometimes it's women like that. Sometimes the prettiest women on the outside or the ugliest on the inside. And sometimes it's vice versa. Right, right. Yeah, I can't quite speak on that.

Everyone has been... Listen, everyone that has been a part of my life in any facet, way, shape, or form has been phenomenal. They have been phenomenal. I can really say. I can really say they've been great in my growth as a man, as a father. So I like that. I haven't had, I haven't experienced what you just said in that sense, but that's a

good one. I haven't had the experience. So I've been lucky. I still got some work to do though. What's up everyone. It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that.

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