Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Chargers LIGHT UP the Vikings + Rozier & Billups ARRESTED in FBI Gambling INVESTIGATION + Aaron Rodgers CURTAIN CALL?
Episode Date: October 24, 2025Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Los Angeles Chargers beating the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday night football, the FBI arrests Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier in... separate gambling scandals, and Unc and Ocho talk about their experience with gambling and much more! 05:10 - Chargers beat Vikings17:10 - Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups arrested by FBI (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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                                        first Ocho. The charges beat the Vikings. It really wasn't close. As we look at the team
                                         
                                        stats, I think the charges might have had 30. Oh, they had 29 first downs. The other team had 12.
                                         
                                        Nine of 13 on third downs. That's why you see the score lopsided because that means they
                                         
    
                                        didn't get off the field. As a matter of fact, they didn't punt. They didn't punt the football.
                                         
                                        If a team doesn't put the football, there's a good chance you're going to get ran through.
                                         
                                        absolutely uh 39 minutes time of possession um 419 total yards to 164 everything there
                                         
                                        were three for four on in the red zone uh both teams had one turnover oh cho it was it was it was bad
                                         
                                        it was bad on minnesota's part hey listen unk this game is representation if you looked in a
                                         
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                                        of the Chargers versus the goddamn Vikings.
                                         
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                                        They say he's hurt.
                                         
    
                                        I don't think he's hurt.
                                         
                                        I think they're regretting the fact that they let Sam Donald go.
                                         
                                        And I mean, Carson Wiss, he had a bag.
                                         
                                        he had a bad game, 15 for 27, 144.
                                         
                                        They tried to get
                                         
                                        sack five times too, Ocho.
                                         
                                        You got sack five times.
                                         
                                        They tried to get Justin Jefferson going.
                                         
    
                                        He has seven for 74, but when you can't run the ball
                                         
                                        and a team makes you one-dimensional,
                                         
                                        and all they got to do is pin their ears back and come and get you,
                                         
                                        that's why he was sack five times.
                                         
                                        The charges needed this win, too.
                                         
                                        They needed this win to get the bad taste out their mouth
                                         
                                        after losing last week to the goddamn Colts,
                                         
                                        who had been on fire all season long outside of one game.
                                         
    
                                        So, I mean, Justin Herbert looked good.
                                         
                                        Running game.
                                         
                                        They couldn't stop the running game.
                                         
                                        Well, it couldn't stop anything.
                                         
                                        Hey, when you can't stop the running game.
                                         
                                        You can only do two things, don't you?
                                         
                                        You can either run the football or throw it.
                                         
                                        You need to be able to stop one.
                                         
    
                                        Because if you can't stop either.
                                         
                                        Either one of them.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's why the game looked like this.
                                         
                                        Obviously, they were very efficient on third downs.
                                         
                                        And this is what you get.
                                         
                                        You get 37 points.
                                         
                                        You said they ain't punt tonight, huh?
                                         
                                        They didn't.
                                         
    
                                        Well, God damn.
                                         
                                        Yeah, back to the draw.
                                         
                                        This is what Andy did to them last week.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Put belt to ass.
                                         
                                        And so it was only on a short week.
                                         
                                        Let's get that taste out of our mouth.
                                         
                                        We're in our building.
                                         
    
                                        We don't want what happened last week to happen again this week.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        The one thing, look, Jim Harbaugh, his teams normally are ready to, they're prepared.
                                         
                                        They're a well-coached team.
                                         
                                        They got a lot of talent.
                                         
                                        The Chargers got talent.
                                         
                                        they really they really have talent and now they get uh the uh the pass rush uh what's the name
                                         
                                        from the raiders and the bears and now he's in the charges calil mac calil mac yeah now you get
                                         
    
                                        him back collapse in the side of the pocket oh yeah yeah yeah man who we yep so with the
                                         
                                        you got pyramid you got Henley in the middle you got too fast linebackers that can chase side
                                         
                                        decide you're not going to have a whole lot of time to throw the football they got a nice
                                         
                                        rotation they can get they can hunt your quarterback now if you can't hold up against the if you can't
                                         
                                        hold up against the rush you're not going to be able to beat this team no you're not going to be able
                                         
                                        to beat them you got you got you got to hold up against their rush I believe you there's some
                                         
                                        there's some things look I understand derwin james back then the secondary but I'm not like oh
                                         
                                        you can't throw on them but you have to be able to hold up because they don't have to cover
                                         
    
                                        a long time.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Because their front seven is really good.
                                         
                                        Offensively, you know, you got Keenan Alley, you got Ladd McConkey, you got a gas
                                         
                                        in the second, you got guys that can make plays.
                                         
                                        Johnson, you got guys that can really, really make plays.
                                         
                                        Justin Herbert, look, the Miami Dolphin fans are kicking them like, man, we could
                                         
                                        have had that.
                                         
    
                                        Yes, you could have.
                                         
                                        Yes, sir.
                                         
                                        But your owner, your owner, this is not Brian Flores, and this is your owner, he wanted
                                         
                                        tour yeah tank for a you remember the sides on show tank for tour tour yeah now both of y'all
                                         
                                        tank empty here and y'all's um the charges look really good they're five and three to tie with
                                         
                                        the broncos right now obviously the broncos have a tough matchup is that game sunday night or is that
                                         
                                        a sunday game the cowboys at the broncos they might they might they need they need to flex it
                                         
                                        if it's not a four o'clock a night game late i don't think i don't think you can flex the first half
                                         
    
                                        it's the second half you can flex i think you kind of lock you kind of locked me okay okay that's that's a good
                                         
                                        one and i don't think i don't think cb i think that's a cbs game i don't i don't think cbs going
                                         
                                        look they only get they only get the uh cowboys maybe once twice a year if i say Thanksgiving day game
                                         
                                        and cbs have the after the late game you know the 430 game yeah so they ain't really trying to give
                                         
                                        the cowboys up now fox fox like hey we could all we all we normally get them at four o'clock right or 420 game
                                         
                                        we normally get them seven, eight, nine times a year.
                                         
                                        Well, you take one, okay, we cool.
                                         
                                        CBS, like, no, no, no.
                                         
    
                                        But I look, Minnesota, I agree with you, Ocho, but here's the thing.
                                         
                                        And we were talking, Ash and I were talking about what the 49ers did.
                                         
                                        See, it was easy for the 49ers because they put the competition up and rock pretty, beat out Tray Lance.
                                         
                                        Yes, sir.
                                         
                                        J.J. McCarthy was going to be the starter.
                                         
                                        got hurt. So we, a top 10 pick, and we got a guy. So are we, so, so what are we going
                                         
                                        to do? It's going to take at least $30 million to sign Sam Darnel, and we still got a top
                                         
                                        10 pick that we really believe in. Minnesota, if you ask him, they're saying, considering the
                                         
    
                                        way Sam Donald was played, way he played last year, where he played, wait, the way he's playing
                                         
                                        now. Now, yeah. They say, we want him. We would take him over Sam, we'd take him over, uh,
                                         
                                        McCarton wins and JJ McCarthy.
                                         
                                        Absolutely.
                                         
                                        But unfortunately, you've got to make a decision.
                                         
                                        You've got to make a decision.
                                         
                                        Are you really trying to bring Sam Darno back on a three-year,
                                         
                                        $100 million deal, and you've got a guy that you took it with a top 10 pick on your bench.
                                         
    
                                        Hold on.
                                         
                                        I mean, I'd rather not guess.
                                         
                                        I'd rather go with what I know I'm getting as opposed to I'm unsure,
                                         
                                        but we picked him in a certain slot and we basically started over.
                                         
                                        So it's a toss-up.
                                         
                                        because you never know what you're going to get.
                                         
                                        I really think, I mean, honestly,
                                         
                                        I don't know what type of injury it may be,
                                         
    
                                        but I think he's healthy
                                         
                                        and they just don't want to go back to him.
                                         
                                        They want Carson Wins.
                                         
                                        They want him to sit there and learn for another year
                                         
                                        on the sideline.
                                         
                                        Well, if that's the case, you should have signed,
                                         
                                        you should have signed Sam Darnal.
                                         
                                        I mean, but here's the thing, Ocho, okay,
                                         
    
                                        let's just say for the sake of argument,
                                         
                                        what you're saying is correct.
                                         
                                        He sits two years.
                                         
                                        He plays his third year.
                                         
                                        You're going to have to do like Joe and Love.
                                         
                                        You're going to have to make a $50 million investment.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah. Are you going to be comfortable making that decision? Because Jordan Love really put the pressure on him considering the way he played in that third year. Yes. So J.J. McCarthy would have had to put the pressure on him. That mean, that's hindsight. That's a magnificent science now. But that's a tough. That's tough. When you select a quarterback so high, you get a guy and he's playing really well and you don't want to take him out. Now, it was easy for Sam Donald to keep playing.
                                         
                                        because J.J. McCarthy was done
                                         
    
                                        for the year. Right.
                                         
                                        It would have been interesting to see
                                         
                                        had he not gotten hurt.
                                         
                                        I believe Jay J.J. McCarthy was going to start.
                                         
                                        I think they had Sam Darner as an insurance
                                         
                                        as a backup, as an insurance policy.
                                         
                                        If something, you know, if he struggled Ocho,
                                         
                                        we ain't got no problem.
                                         
    
                                        We got a veteran guy. We bring him in.
                                         
                                        But he got hurt so early.
                                         
                                        Honestly, the day the truth,
                                         
                                        with the way Sam Darner played last year,
                                         
                                        with the way he's playing this year,
                                         
                                        I'm not sure J.J.
                                         
                                        McCarthy would have beat him out.
                                         
                                        I agree.
                                         
    
                                        I agree.
                                         
                                        I agree.
                                         
                                        I mean, listen, I don't, I don't.
                                         
                                        They saw something we didn't see because he mainly ran the football.
                                         
                                        They were mainly a running team under Harbaugh.
                                         
                                        So for him,
                                         
                                        for them to be so that, okay, he can throw the football.
                                         
                                        And look, I saw what he did against the Bears open the night.
                                         
    
                                        He played well.
                                         
                                        He came out in the second half and he played extremely well.
                                         
                                        But I agree with you.
                                         
                                        I think they really wanted Carson Wentz to play well and keep the job.
                                         
                                        But unfortunately, his offensive line is not doing very well.
                                         
                                        He makes his mind up.
                                         
                                        Man, they tried to throw a wheel route to Jones.
                                         
                                        Michelle across came Scott ass-free.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, Scott-free, yeah.
                                         
                                        Because you see what happens?
                                         
                                        When that happened, you miss throws like that on Joe,
                                         
                                        you've made your mind up.
                                         
                                        When you broke the huddle, I'm throwing his wheel route.
                                         
                                        No matter what.
                                         
                                        And what you should have done, if I can't stop Mike Backer,
                                         
                                        who has to run with the wheel,
                                         
    
                                        If I catch him napping, I'm going to throw the reel.
                                         
                                        Otherwise, I'm going to go through the progression.
                                         
                                        I don't know who it was.
                                         
                                        I don't know if it was Addison, but I think they ended up getting a touchdown anyway.
                                         
                                        He ran the shallow.
                                         
                                        He was wide-ass open.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        He was basically streaking.
                                         
    
                                        I mean, they don't do that anymore like they used to in the 70s and 80s.
                                         
                                        It was a big thing, you know, streaking at sporting events.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't get it.
                                         
                                        I don't get it.
                                         
                                        I thought Minnesota kind of revamped the offensive line.
                                         
                                        Khalil Mack took the left tackle one time and just sought him.
                                         
                                        and wince his lap they were just like I mean every time I turn around like oh it was
                                         
    
                                        pressure him he was running he you know he gets flustered and then his head is down and he's not
                                         
                                        looking down the field yeah he was he was frustrated I mean he let his emotion get the best of
                                         
                                        mommy obviously you're showing you're showing passion you're frustrated you're getting hit
                                         
                                        you're hurting your elbow messed up and you're getting sacked me five times so he allowed
                                         
                                        his frustration to show on the sideline and I'm listen they're going to be all right you know
                                         
                                        Brian Flores and that defense, obviously, they didn't look apart tonight, but they're not going to look like this every game.
                                         
                                        They're not going to look like this every game.
                                         
                                        They're back to the drawing board, and we know what a Brian Flores defense can do just tonight when they're night.
                                         
    
                                        Hell, listen, the charges get paid too.
                                         
                                        Well, we got to get some help, Ocho.
                                         
                                        Can the offense, can you stay on the field?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Because if you go after they score, if you had kicked the ball off and you go three and out and put us right back on the field, what the hell do you expect to happen?
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        we need you to take a little
                                         
                                        hey give us a break
                                         
    
                                        hey offense hold on to the ball a little bit
                                         
                                        let us get some water
                                         
                                        hey soon as I
                                         
                                        offense the defense you up
                                         
                                        up
                                         
                                        we just came out
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        so we'll see what's going
                                         
    
                                        because that you got Detroit
                                         
                                        in that division and you got Green Bay
                                         
                                        and Chicago don't look like no slout
                                         
                                        and Chicago is already beating you
                                         
                                        yeah they're bowling there
                                         
                                        Bears balling.
                                         
                                        So when you look at it, Ocho, and you look at what they did last year,
                                         
                                        what they were 14 and 3.
                                         
    
                                        And right now they're 3 and 4.
                                         
                                        So they're not winning, they're not winning, you know,
                                         
                                        nine straight games, 10 straight games.
                                         
                                        They're not winning 10 games, they can go in 13 and 4.
                                         
                                        So I'm sure Minnesota fans like, man, we should have just,
                                         
                                        we should have just went ahead and kept Sam Donald.
                                         
                                        And plus, Ocho, three year, $100 million.
                                         
                                        Leo, that's manageable.
                                         
    
                                        That's,
                                         
                                        I didn't have to give him 40 or 50.
                                         
                                        But that's,
                                         
                                        that's a, that's a,
                                         
                                        a family discount.
                                         
                                        What's you're talking about?
                                         
                                        Yes, it is.
                                         
                                        So it's going to,
                                         
    
                                        uh,
                                         
                                        I mean,
                                         
                                        Vikings,
                                         
                                        Vikings beat the Bears.
                                         
                                        The Bears were winning.
                                         
                                        The Bears were winning in the first half.
                                         
                                        And then J.J.
                                         
                                        McCarthy had that outstanding second half.
                                         
    
                                        Um,
                                         
                                        but the,
                                         
                                        the bears are different teams.
                                         
                                        than when the Vikings face them opening date.
                                         
                                        I think we could all agree to that.
                                         
                                        Look, that's a division game,
                                         
                                        NFC North, Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, and Minnesota.
                                         
                                        They play each other.
                                         
    
                                        They're very familiar with each other.
                                         
                                        But Chicago is a different team now.
                                         
                                        That's not the team that y'all played open tonight.
                                         
                                        And we know what Detroit is.
                                         
                                        Detroit is Detroit.
                                         
                                        And once they start getting their guys back healthy,
                                         
                                        it's only going to get, it's only going to get,
                                         
                                        look, offensive, they're healthy.
                                         
    
                                        It's when they start getting those defense.
                                         
                                        guys back.
                                         
                                        The Kirby Joseph, the Arnold.
                                         
                                        When they start, the Brian Branch,
                                         
                                        he'll be back. He had a suspension.
                                         
                                        Once they start getting those guys back.
                                         
                                        Green Bay is Green Bay.
                                         
                                        If y'all couldn't keep the charges off your ass,
                                         
    
                                        good luck.
                                         
                                        Keeping Micah and, Rishon Gary.
                                         
                                        Those guys off you.
                                         
                                        Good luck with that.
                                         
                                        That's going to be a good one.
                                         
                                        That's going to be a good one.
                                         
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                                        Billups arrest is related to an illegal poker game,
                                         
                                        tied to the Mafia, according to ABC News.
                                         
    
                                        Whoa, whoa, whoa, tied to the who?
                                         
                                        The Mafia.
                                         
                                        If Red Collect, the Bonano, the Genevese, the Columbia, the Colombo, and the Lucases.
                                         
                                        Ooh.
                                         
                                        But anyway, assistant coach Tiago Splitter would take over for Billups as Portland New interim coach.
                                         
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                                        during the first quarter on March 23rd of 2023
                                         
    
                                        against the pelicans
                                         
                                        so others could bet the under prop bets.
                                         
                                        This information was sold to others
                                         
                                        so they could also profit.
                                         
                                        There was a $259,000 that was wagered on Rozier by a group of people
                                         
                                        with inside information according to the indictment.
                                         
                                        Rozier played under 10 minutes in the game.
                                         
                                        Billups took part in a rig poker game.
                                         
    
                                        In Manhattan, according to the FBI, how do you rig a poker game?
                                         
                                        Well, Ocho, according, they had X-ray machines built in the tables.
                                         
                                        So when you lay the cars face down, I can see what your whole cards are.
                                         
                                        a minute. Now I can play. Contact lenses through glass that re-marked cards. So you know,
                                         
                                        oh, that's an ace. That's this. That's a that. Secret cameras in card trades.
                                         
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                                        while team was tanking at the end of 2023 season. Former NBA player, Damon Jones, was also
                                         
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                                        wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Hey, um, man, this is, man, boy, this is,
                                         
                                        this is, this is big, this is huge. This is like, this is like an episode of law and order. You
                                         
                                        hear me?
                                         
                                        For one, okay, I understand the gambling part.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
    
                                        What grabs me.
                                         
                                        What grabs my attention is the fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today's society.
                                         
                                        What do you think they win?
                                         
                                        Wait, hold on.
                                         
                                        It's New York.
                                         
                                        Oh, listen, I know they never went nowhere, right?
                                         
                                        But they're never visible.
                                         
                                        Their presence as opposed to the 70s and 80s.
                                         
    
                                        That's what the real mob does.
                                         
                                        They're not flashy.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        But they have reputable businesses.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        They have trucking and they have cement companies.
                                         
                                        and they have delivery services.
                                         
                                        So they have legitimate businesses
                                         
    
                                        to hide behind the other things.
                                         
                                        See, and people ask,
                                         
                                        this is why the NFL
                                         
                                        and the NBA puts out
                                         
                                        all injury reports.
                                         
                                        So therefore,
                                         
                                        because they didn't put it out,
                                         
                                        and guess what? People know
                                         
    
                                        I can get parts of that information.
                                         
                                        And what it looked like
                                         
                                        that what happened in the Damon Jones situation,
                                         
                                        he gave them the information
                                         
                                        before it came out.
                                         
                                        They bet before everybody else knew,
                                         
                                        LeBron James was a scratch.
                                         
                                        They had already got the money.
                                         
    
                                        So now the line is going to come down,
                                         
                                        but they already got in on the other.
                                         
                                        It's just, oh, let me tell you a story.
                                         
                                        Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, wait.
                                         
                                        Let me get comfortable on that,
                                         
                                        because your stories be good.
                                         
                                        This, this is why I stopped going to, going,
                                         
                                        we used to have the same thing.
                                         
    
                                        We had, we had to play craps.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Go every Monday night.
                                         
                                        We would go, at first it was just guys on the team.
                                         
                                        and the former player that everybody knew.
                                         
                                        I knew him a long time.
                                         
                                        Yes, sir.
                                         
                                        And so we would go over there, we would roll dice.
                                         
    
                                        Everybody, a month's friend, you know, we lend somebody money.
                                         
                                        The thing was, I wouldn't lend you money so you can bet against me.
                                         
                                        What I looked like giving you a thousand dollars and then you're going to fade me.
                                         
                                        Right, right, right, right.
                                         
                                        You're going to fade me with my own money?
                                         
                                        No, that's not going to happen.
                                         
                                        But anyway.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
    
                                        They started letting other people come in.
                                         
                                        Uh-oh.
                                         
                                        Straining.
                                         
                                        Other people came.
                                         
                                        came in because we didn't care
                                         
                                        Hey, at first
                                         
                                        we used to have like
                                         
                                        10 packs of 10 packs of dice
                                         
    
                                        And sometimes
                                         
                                        Hey, you get hot on the dice
                                         
                                        You keep the dice for like 5, 10 minutes
                                         
                                        Hey, you put the dice in your pocket
                                         
                                        So hey man, these my special dice
                                         
                                        I don't want nobody else to touch these
                                         
                                        Right, right, right, right.
                                         
                                        Well, lo and behold
                                         
    
                                        They let other people
                                         
                                        They start letting other people coming out
                                         
                                        Like, but who is you?
                                         
                                        Man, I know such and such.
                                         
                                        Oh, Lord.
                                         
                                        Who about for this in you?
                                         
                                        Hold on. Don't tell me they came in there
                                         
                                        with some damn trick dice, aren't?
                                         
    
                                        Man, they came in there with them crooks,
                                         
                                        which are loaded dice.
                                         
                                        And the thing was, Ocho,
                                         
                                        the hardest points on the dice to hit is 10 and 4
                                         
                                        because there's only two ways you can make it.
                                         
                                        Yes, so.
                                         
                                        You can make it 5, 5, or you can make it 6, 4.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        The same thing with 4.
                                         
                                        You get 3-1 or you get 2-2.
                                         
                                        You get flowers or you get little Joe Kokem.
                                         
                                        So that's it.
                                         
                                        Uh-huh.
                                         
                                        Man, that joke would throw them dice.
                                         
                                        It rolled 10.
                                         
                                        So you know, hey, so you know, hey, everybody going to jump on that 10.
                                         
    
                                        You ain't fit to hit that 10?
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        I'll tell you something.
                                         
                                        I don't know, Chad, if y'all ever gamble before, but if you want to break up a dice game, hit 10 or 4.
                                         
                                        I don't saw cars and exchange hands.
                                         
                                        I don't saw a lot of it happen with that 10 of 4.
                                         
                                        Come on, man.
                                         
                                        But anyway, he came out, he hit 10.
                                         
    
                                        So you know everybody jump on it.
                                         
                                        Hey, you know, I'll jump on it with both feet too.
                                         
                                        Ha!
                                         
                                        You ain't fit to hit that?
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        So he took a cool 200, 200 off me, you know.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Damn.
                                         
    
                                        I said, let me come back.
                                         
                                        Let me come back.
                                         
                                        He rolled a four.
                                         
                                        Oh, back to back.
                                         
                                        He rolled a 10.
                                         
                                        He kicked the 10.
                                         
                                        And then he came back.
                                         
                                        Oh, Joe.
                                         
    
                                        The end was hitting it out the dough.
                                         
                                        So I say, what the?
                                         
                                        So I only go over there with like $2,0,000.
                                         
                                        Right, right, right.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        The dice game up, hit for about 30.
                                         
                                        What, 30 what?
                                         
                                        30, 30, bad.
                                         
    
                                        You got to realize it's like 15, 20 of us in there.
                                         
                                        We all NFL players.
                                         
                                        So we all got bred or guys would go to the ATM and get money and come back.
                                         
                                        Oh, hey, eh, y'all should know something was up, man.
                                         
                                        Oh, Joe, didn't know.
                                         
                                        So I told my homeboy Burns, he had gone out of town.
                                         
                                        Because at the time, Michelle was in Virginia.
                                         
                                        So by week, you know, not the bye week.
                                         
    
                                        But he would go home.
                                         
                                        So he would leave that Monday, go home, stay Monday night, come back Tuesday.
                                         
                                        Because a lot of times we didn't have, probably we win, we didn't have,
                                         
                                        we didn't have no meeting, we have anything, just get back with it.
                                         
                                        Right, right, right.
                                         
                                        As a matter of fact, he was catching the red.
                                         
                                        I'd get home's early Monday morning.
                                         
                                        But anyway, I told him, I said, man, Bernie ain't going to believe this.
                                         
    
                                        I said, dude, dude, he broke the game up.
                                         
                                        He said, what?
                                         
                                        He said, what he was hitting?
                                         
                                        I said, dude, we had a dude named Reggie, Reggie Hayward.
                                         
                                        He broke the game up.
                                         
                                        he had the dice for like an hour.
                                         
                                        I ain't never seen nobody get that hot,
                                         
                                        but it was legit.
                                         
    
                                        He had the dice for an hour.
                                         
                                        Every point on the dice, he hit.
                                         
                                        He was seven out the door.
                                         
                                        You hit, A.
                                         
                                        Ludge A, that four-five?
                                         
                                        A, you were talking about born and 54, died in 63.
                                         
                                        What's my point?
                                         
                                        Nine.
                                         
    
                                        Yaya!
                                         
                                        Yaya!
                                         
                                        What Jesse James carried?
                                         
                                        Forty-b-bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
                                         
                                        Hey, hey, he rolled four, Emin Smith, wha, out the door.
                                         
                                        Stayed on the dice for an hour.
                                         
                                        I see Burns, old boy, ten or four, had the dice just like that.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        The next week, the guy house that he was at, he was rolling a dice.
                                         
                                        Had two grand out there, had it.
                                         
                                        Everybody had it.
                                         
                                        He crapped out.
                                         
                                        He picked the dice up.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And through them, they split open.
                                         
                                        Uh-oh.
                                         
    
                                        Now you can see where the weight was.
                                         
                                        So I go, I don't hear about this till the next.
                                         
                                        So this was on Monday.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        They start calling me, man, sharp, you ain't going to bleed this.
                                         
                                        I say what?
                                         
                                        Man, man, man, boy had crooks.
                                         
                                        Hmm.
                                         
    
                                        I said, he had the weight of dice.
                                         
                                        Like, yeah, man.
                                         
                                        what you think we should do?
                                         
                                        I say, I don't know what y'all going to do.
                                         
                                        I ain't going to do nothing because I'm going to go to jail.
                                         
                                        So I said, look, I'm done.
                                         
                                        From that point on, I said, I'm done.
                                         
                                        I told Burns, I said, Byrd, if you want to go, he's like, you ain't going, I ain't going.
                                         
    
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        But anyway, and I started, I started, look, boy, look here, I started to get the dude that
                                         
                                        vouch for him, and I knew him, but he, we've been cool.
                                         
                                        You vouch for him.
                                         
                                        You vouch for him.
                                         
                                        You got to cover him.
                                         
                                        But anyway, dude, I brought a brand new.
                                         
                                        Brought a brand new maximum, kidded it out.
                                         
    
                                        Hey, new gear, that's what stopped me from doing,
                                         
                                        that's what stopped me from doing the house game.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        I got, first of all, it's got to be like us.
                                         
                                        It got to be us.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        No, outside.
                                         
                                        It's all, I ain't talking about, no, homeboy, I'm sorry.
                                         
    
                                        No.
                                         
                                        I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Ocho, your homeboy can't play.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Everybody, me, you, XYZ, we NFL player, boo.
                                         
                                        I believe we're going to be on the up and up.
                                         
                                        But somebody come to the game, they know it,
                                         
                                        they know if money going to be there,
                                         
                                        they're going to come in and cheat.
                                         
    
                                        The card game the same thing.
                                         
                                        That's what happened with the online poker.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Guys had the online poker.
                                         
                                        He had the, you know, it's a, what they call it?
                                         
                                        But anyway, they can see your cards.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Hey, that's pretty crazy.
                                         
    
                                        Technology is so advanced.
                                         
                                        Listen, the part that scared me, young,
                                         
                                        I understand Chauncey in trouble.
                                         
                                        I understand Damon Jones.
                                         
                                        in trouble. I understand Terry Rozier. For one, I'm not risking it. I'm not risking the position
                                         
                                        that I'm in. But you don't believe you're risking it. Huh? Think about it. A lot of this stuff
                                         
                                        happened in 23. It's 25. Ocho, you know, what criminal you know make a score and said, I'm done.
                                         
                                        I quit. Well, you can't. But you understand. When the FBI get a wholly and that, the FBI,
                                         
    
                                        they watch you for a couple of years. They don't let it run. They got a way to they get you.
                                         
                                        Oh, Joe. I can't get you with one charge.
                                         
                                        Because you're a first timer, you're going to get off.
                                         
                                        I got to get you deep.
                                         
                                        I got to make sure the hook is set.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it got to bill up.
                                         
                                        It got to bill up.
                                         
                                        This is the scary part of the deal.
                                         
    
                                        You got to set the hook because if you don't sit it right,
                                         
                                        a big one going to get away.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah, absolutely.
                                         
                                        But this is the part that scared me though, right?
                                         
                                        Like, understanding,
                                         
                                        understanding, okay, I understand the gambling part.
                                         
                                        It's the part about being part of the mafia being entangled into it.
                                         
                                        Man, that's a no-no for me right there off back.
                                         
    
                                        I don't see any sopranos, yeah?
                                         
                                        I don't see in Goodfellas.
                                         
                                        I know it's a depiction of a fictional story maybe,
                                         
                                        but that's real life.
                                         
                                        I'm thinking about extortment.
                                         
                                        I'm thinking about once you tied into them,
                                         
                                        man, that's you.
                                         
                                        Now you've got a point shave.
                                         
    
                                        Now you got to feed them information.
                                         
                                        What I hate most look, and I know, listen,
                                         
                                        I know Chaunce Billis since he was in high school.
                                         
                                        He went to G.
                                         
                                        In Denver, Colorado, which was about a mile from where I was staying.
                                         
                                        I used to stay in the breakers, anybody from Denver
                                         
                                        know exactly where the breakers are on Mississippi
                                         
                                        and where G-dub is.
                                         
    
                                        There's a car wash.
                                         
                                        It used to be a sterling car wash right across the street.
                                         
                                        Chauncey Billings went to G-dub.
                                         
                                        He was sensational.
                                         
                                        Sensational.
                                         
                                        Three-time Mr. Basketball, All-State, all you.
                                         
                                        So we get that.
                                         
                                        And so I feel bad for Chauncey,
                                         
    
                                        and I hope, I hope this is what they suggest.
                                         
                                        But my thing is,
                                         
                                        is, and I hope this is just, but Damon Jones,
                                         
                                        do everybody knows what LeBron goes through
                                         
                                        to try to make sure he has no stain,
                                         
                                        because what did they put in the paper?
                                         
                                        They put LeBron James.
                                         
                                        This man has done everything he possibly could
                                         
    
                                        to keep his nose clean to make sure he doesn't have the people,
                                         
                                        look, Maverick he grew up with,
                                         
                                        rich he met at a very young age,
                                         
                                        Randy he grew up with.
                                         
                                        So he so insulated himself.
                                         
                                        LeBron don't have a whole lot of close friends.
                                         
                                        You see him, you're going to always see Randy.
                                         
                                        Rand is his chief of staff.
                                         
    
                                        Rich is his agent.
                                         
                                        Obviously, Maverick handles all the other business inquiries.
                                         
                                        You put this man on the spot because it's a legend that you sold information
                                         
                                        that LeBron is not going to play before it became public knowledge.
                                         
                                        And they say they have a text message of something
                                         
                                        between the two.
                                         
                                        I just, I just hate.
                                         
                                        I just, I just hate.
                                         
    
                                        And obviously the funny thing about that,
                                         
                                        LeBron doesn't know.
                                         
                                        I mean, them exchanging message,
                                         
                                        him letting them know,
                                         
                                        that's like me texting you,
                                         
                                        and we're going to play the Raiders,
                                         
                                        but I'm not playing.
                                         
                                        Like, that's, that's no harm,
                                         
    
                                        no foul on LeBron's part
                                         
                                        because he had no idea what's going on.
                                         
                                        Exactly.
                                         
                                        Yeah, so, but the one thing,
                                         
                                        and what I was talk about,
                                         
                                        about them being dealing,
                                         
                                        dealing with the mafia,
                                         
                                        you understand these people,
                                         
    
                                        these people have no regard for life.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        Once you end business,
                                         
                                        with them, that mean you got the old ways
                                         
                                        once they got them hooks in you. I need
                                         
                                        all the answers. I need who's
                                         
                                        playing, who's coming out, what's
                                         
                                        a score lying on be, and what happened
                                         
    
                                        when you get it wrong? What happened when you
                                         
                                        mess up? What happened when
                                         
                                        you place a bet,
                                         
                                        you give them certain information and it doesn't
                                         
                                        come out the way it should and they lose money?
                                         
                                        Well, all of a sudden you say he's not going to
                                         
                                        play, then all of a sudden he plays. He'll game
                                         
                                        time and he end up playing. Hold on. What about
                                         
    
                                        this? Once you end, once you end
                                         
                                        with them like that, what about, you know what? I don't
                                         
                                        want to do this no more. I don't want to
                                         
                                        I don't want to do it no more.
                                         
                                        And it's reported
                                         
                                        that, like, he got
                                         
                                        $2,500.
                                         
                                        So on a $50,000 bet,
                                         
    
                                        I think it was a $50,000 bet. Wasn't it a $50,000
                                         
                                        bet? How much was it?
                                         
                                        It was over $100,000.
                                         
                                        They gave you $2,500.
                                         
                                        Now, what, hold on. They didn't even give you
                                         
                                        10%. They gave you 2%.
                                         
                                        What the hell
                                         
                                        I'm going to do with that?
                                         
    
                                        Two, two, hey,
                                         
                                        Oh, Joe.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        If it's $2 billion, I'll take $2.000.
                                         
                                        But not no damn $100,000.
                                         
                                        No, absolutely not.
                                         
                                        I just, oh, bad.
                                         
                                        Absolutely not.
                                         
    
                                        Hey, hey, I'm, listen, I understand the gambling part, right?
                                         
                                        And the gambling part, to me, because I've been in that lifestyle.
                                         
                                        I don't gamble.
                                         
                                        Y'all know my cheap ass, no gamble.
                                         
                                        I'm saying I've just been in that world for so long and seen so many people gamble the past 30 years.
                                         
                                        The part that is, that has me stunned and is amazed,
                                         
                                        is, boy, you're dealing with the mafia.
                                         
                                        I think people just like letting it go and they, hell.
                                         
    
                                        No, they're real.
                                         
                                        Damon Jones, Chauncey and goddamn Terry Rozier is the only one
                                         
                                        that's on the goddamn news.
                                         
                                        Well, where is everybody else?
                                         
                                        What are the other 30?
                                         
                                        There ain't no names.
                                         
                                        I got to get the big, oh, Joe, let me ask you a question.
                                         
                                        When the last time you see somebody post a fish that was this big?
                                         
    
                                        They post the trophy fish
                                         
                                        They are the trophies
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        So now you
                                         
                                        You lose your job
                                         
                                        You lose your career
                                         
                                        But you know
                                         
                                        They still gonna be making their money, huh?
                                         
    
                                        Oh yeah they ain't gonna
                                         
                                        You know you know it's not gonna stop
                                         
                                        No absolutely not
                                         
                                        I bro look here
                                         
                                        And I
                                         
                                        I used to gamble I did
                                         
                                        I mean I used to come to Vegas and gamble
                                         
                                        I gamble on the plane
                                         
    
                                        We played, you know, we used to play Tunk
                                         
                                        and we used to play in between.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Pots get up to $5,000, $20,000, $30,000.
                                         
                                        American money?
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Man, shit, boy, you're all tripping, man.
                                         
                                        Man, I look, I took a car for a guy.
                                         
    
                                        I felt bad for him because I know if he had to go home,
                                         
                                        he going to get a divorce.
                                         
                                        He had a resto, a Chavelle, 454.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Black.
                                         
                                        Beautiful.
                                         
                                        You took the picture.
                                         
                                        I said, man, give me, give me three grand, call it a date.
                                         
    
                                        Y'all were betting card, pink slips.
                                         
                                        Hey, he got up, he got in the hole.
                                         
                                        And that's what happens, Ocho.
                                         
                                        Oh, he was in the hole.
                                         
                                        There was a story I hear about a dude name,
                                         
                                        I think his name was Jeffrey Wantanabi,
                                         
                                        lost $204 million.
                                         
                                        Lost his family fortune.
                                         
    
                                        Read it, go read about it.
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        200.
                                         
                                        Go read about it.
                                         
                                        Hey, chat.
                                         
                                        No, his name was Terran.
                                         
                                        I think his name was Terrence
                                         
                                        Montanavi.
                                         
    
                                        Hey, chat, somebody sent that to my
                                         
                                        Instagrams
                                         
                                        or my Twitter, please.
                                         
                                        I got, I got to read that.
                                         
                                        How do you lose,
                                         
                                        did you see the movie
                                         
                                        The Gambler?
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
    
                                        Like, I didn't know people
                                         
                                        had issues like that
                                         
                                        where they're addicted to gambling.
                                         
                                        Like, how do you move?
                                         
                                        Gambling?
                                         
                                        Yeah, alcohol, drugs, yes.
                                         
                                        It's an addiction.
                                         
                                        It's an endorphins.
                                         
    
                                        It's a high.
                                         
                                        a rush. How do you, you lose
                                         
                                        $250,000. You go to
                                         
                                        the shark and ask for more money.
                                         
                                        Oh, hold on, read that a lot. Say what it was, Ash.
                                         
                                        $240.
                                         
                                        $240 million?
                                         
                                        Yes. At what point do you say stop?
                                         
    
                                        And what point do you say no?
                                         
                                        I lose $20. I'm going to lose my mind.
                                         
                                        Yeah, he was up.
                                         
                                        But see, here's the thing, Ocho.
                                         
                                        Same thing, there was a guy named Arnie at the Benions.
                                         
                                        He was up, he was up 50 million, lost it all back.
                                         
                                        He had every $5,000 chip that was in the hotel.
                                         
                                        The hotel used to have the casino used to have to come to his room and get the chips.
                                         
    
                                        Because he had them all.
                                         
                                        He lost it all.
                                         
                                        You know, I don't understand.
                                         
                                        I just, I can't grasp the concept.
                                         
                                        I understand gambling.
                                         
                                        Listen, I really can't talk now, Unk because I just started,
                                         
                                        I just started playing a little blackjack myself.
                                         
                                        Every time I go to Vegas.
                                         
    
                                        I don't go to Vegas often, but I go to the blackjack table.
                                         
                                        You know how much I spend?
                                         
                                        I take $200 out at ATM.
                                         
                                        I paid a $25 hands.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        When that $200 is gone, man, I'm hurting.
                                         
                                        And it's only $200.
                                         
                                        And now you're saying these extraordinary numbers,
                                         
    
                                        how the hell you lose $240 million?
                                         
                                        Because when you get down, you try to get it back.
                                         
                                        Because let me tell you how it happens.
                                         
                                        Okay, I lose 50.
                                         
                                        Hey, I lose 50.
                                         
                                        I'm going to bet 100 to try to get it back.
                                         
                                        Now I'm down 150.
                                         
                                        So guess what I got to do, Ocho?
                                         
    
                                        I'm going to bet 200 because I'm going to get all three.
                                         
                                        I'm going to get the two hands that I lost and I'm going to be plus 50.
                                         
                                        And before you know it, now, you bet in 25, 50, 100,000 a hand.
                                         
                                        So how long will it take you?
                                         
                                        Because if you go on a rush, you go on a run, you could bet, hey, go back and look.
                                         
                                        I think it was the MGM.
                                         
                                        Carrie, what was his daddy name?
                                         
                                        Packard.
                                         
    
                                        He was an Australian billionaire.
                                         
                                        Go read about what he did to the MGM
                                         
                                        and how he wrecked their quarterly report.
                                         
                                        He wrecked it?
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        When he won, he went on a run.
                                         
                                        He won, yes.
                                         
                                        Big time.
                                         
    
                                        But in knowing,
                                         
                                        the lady that was serving him,
                                         
                                        she would bring him, you know,
                                         
                                        smooth is a award.
                                         
                                        whatever it was right go get your mortgage i'm gonna pay it off for you oh he was talking spicy
                                         
                                        he did it carry packard is the is yeah yes dmgm beat about it oh i know all the stories
                                         
                                        hey listen gambling gambling is an addiction huh absolutely
                                         
                                        Absolutely, it is.
                                         
    
                                        And listen, a lot of people say,
                                         
                                        oh, stop acting naive.
                                         
                                        See, there's certain things that I don't know about.
                                         
                                        There are certain things that I don't know about
                                         
                                        because it was never,
                                         
                                        it never sparked my interest.
                                         
                                        That's not something that I,
                                         
                                        that I, it ain't like soccer.
                                         
    
                                        I can take about,
                                         
                                        I can talk about boxing.
                                         
                                        I talk about tennis.
                                         
                                        But gambling?
                                         
                                        Hell, what do you call them?
                                         
                                        I just started playing black check this year.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah, oh, he was a whale.
                                         
                                        Those are what they call whales.
                                         
    
                                        What was the guy used to be a penthouse?
                                         
                                        What was the guy on a penthouse?
                                         
                                        He was in the wheelchair.
                                         
                                        Oh, damn, I forgot his name.
                                         
                                        I made him one time.
                                         
                                        He owned Hustler.
                                         
                                        Yes, yes, yes.
                                         
                                        Damn, I forgot his name.
                                         
    
                                        I met him in L.A.
                                         
                                        He passed away.
                                         
                                        He was a whale.
                                         
                                        Larry Flint.
                                         
                                        Yeah, Mr. Flint, that's right.
                                         
                                        Yep, yep.
                                         
                                        But, Ocho, the thing is that
                                         
                                        Look, I played a couple of hands, and you know, hey, you know, I pay, hey, hey, how much you, how much you would have been?
                                         
    
                                        I don't mean to be in your business, but I just, for better context.
                                         
                                        I'll take this store, Ocho, we was at the Rio.
                                         
                                        Uh-huh.
                                         
                                        We was at the Rio.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        And it was me, seven, 30, 53, and Crockpot.
                                         
                                        It was us.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        So we've played.
                                         
                                        so I had like
                                         
                                        25,000 on me
                                         
                                        John was playing
                                         
                                        John was so I had you know
                                         
                                        I've won and he was playing
                                         
                                        so he got a card
                                         
                                        he split so he got so he
                                         
    
                                        split him then it was another
                                         
                                        of the same card he split that
                                         
                                        we had about
                                         
                                        he had about six cards that was split
                                         
                                        and then he ended up doubling down
                                         
                                        we had like 40,000
                                         
                                        on the table
                                         
                                        and the dealer bus
                                         
    
                                        He took all mine, because if the dealer would have hit,
                                         
                                        all my little $25,000 was gone.
                                         
                                        He was like, give me your money.
                                         
                                        I'm like, whoa, hold on.
                                         
                                        He told me, give you my money.
                                         
                                        What kind of bulljad is there?
                                         
                                        But we won.
                                         
                                        But it's a, Ocho, ain't nothing like it.
                                         
    
                                        It's nothing like sitting there,
                                         
                                        you play $5,000 or $10,000 of hand,
                                         
                                        and then you get blackjack.
                                         
                                        Oh, you get.
                                         
                                        What gets scary, Ocho, what gets scary, Ocho,
                                         
                                        is that when you get a double down hand
                                         
                                        and you got the $5,000
                                         
                                        or you got $10,000 on the wood.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Now when you got a double down hand,
                                         
                                        you got $10,000 on the wood,
                                         
                                        what did that mean?
                                         
                                        You double your money?
                                         
                                        You doubled it, so you got to put $10,000,
                                         
                                        10 more with it.
                                         
                                        Nah, man.
                                         
    
                                        Double it.
                                         
                                        Or you split it.
                                         
                                        You got to put 10.
                                         
                                        That's what happens, Ocho.
                                         
                                        You get a double down hand.
                                         
                                        yeah you get a split you get a split hand so let you get say you get a pair of eights or a pair of nines
                                         
                                        against a seven or below yeah you're gonna split them now you get a three a two or three
                                         
                                        now you doubling that so now that's 20,000 now you get this head you get a split you got a
                                         
    
                                        double now you double that 2020 30 40 that's 40 thousand on the wood yeah it ain't it ain't
                                         
                                        worth it. And you hear me?
                                         
                                        It ain't worth it because I'm thinking about
                                         
                                        the loss. I'm thinking about the loss.
                                         
                                        But you can't think like that. So you can't go to the table
                                         
                                        because you can't look at the chips as money.
                                         
                                        You look at them as objects.
                                         
                                        The moment you look at them as money, get up
                                         
    
                                        from the table. Hey, for one,
                                         
                                        for one, unless you make the kind of revenue
                                         
                                        and you have disposable income,
                                         
                                        your ass shouldn't be gambling no way.
                                         
                                        Yeah. Unless you have disposable
                                         
                                        income, I don't care. NFL players,
                                         
                                        I don't care how much, I don't care if you got a
                                         
                                        $50 million dollar contract. Your ass
                                         
    
                                        shouldn't be at no goddamn crap table
                                         
                                        or playing backjack or no
                                         
                                        rotisserie or none of that.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        What's the one going to circle again? What it's called?
                                         
                                        That's roulette. I'm talking about rotisserie.
                                         
                                        I'm talking about roulette. That's a
                                         
                                        league. That's a gambling league.
                                         
    
                                        But anyway, I know what you meant. And plus
                                         
                                        the new thing now is Baccarat.
                                         
                                        Read the field ivy story.
                                         
                                        I be famous.
                                         
                                        I know that name. I know he'll
                                         
                                        poker player. I know his name.
                                         
                                        But they went, they went, they went overseas him and a, uh, in a, uh, a, a, uh, a Chinese lady.
                                         
                                        Yes, sir.
                                         
    
                                        What happened?
                                         
                                        Read about that story.
                                         
                                        It's good or bad?
                                         
                                        Uh, it's bad.
                                         
                                        Well, he won, but they fought because the lady could count cards.
                                         
                                        Oh.
                                         
                                        You can see the imperfections.
                                         
                                        Hmm.
                                         
    
                                        But, Ocho, that gambling man is a, uh, Ocho, why you think people be watching these game?
                                         
                                        You think they really be liking these teams?
                                         
                                        Some people do.
                                         
                                        I got fantasy and I got real money.
                                         
                                        You messing up my parlay.
                                         
                                        That's why they call you the N-word.
                                         
                                        That's why they say you worse than Hitler.
                                         
                                        Bro, you lost me my money.
                                         
    
                                        What the...
                                         
                                        Hey, if you can't stay in to lose your money, you don't bet.
                                         
                                        You don't, you don't bet.
                                         
                                        Well, you suck.
                                         
                                        Man, I'm telling you, old y'all.
                                         
                                        Yeah, no.
                                         
                                        Hey, hey, that's fascinating.
                                         
                                        It's fascinating hearing the stories.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But I can't put myself in position to put my money where I have no control over whether I win or lose.
                                         
                                        I don't, I don't want to, the house don't let you in.
                                         
                                        I'd have heard enough horror stories to stay away from it.
                                         
                                        You got to be able to see, the thing, the reason why the house wins so much, they can weather the storm.
                                         
                                        Because guess what, Ocho, if you start winning too much,
                                         
                                        they'll ask you to leave.
                                         
                                        Okay, that's enough, Mr. Johnson.
                                         
    
                                        No, what?
                                         
                                        No, we think you haven't,
                                         
                                        we've done enough for tonight.
                                         
                                        The question is,
                                         
                                        when you win,
                                         
                                        can you get up on your own to leave?
                                         
                                        Because they don't usher you to, when you're losing,
                                         
                                        they don't ask you to leave.
                                         
    
                                        Can you ask yourself to leave when you lose,
                                         
                                        when you start, can you leave when you start to lose?
                                         
                                        Man, listen.
                                         
                                        This, Ocho,
                                         
                                        This is what happened, excuse me.
                                         
                                        This is what happens in the gaming space.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        I mean, hey, can you imagine how do you even,
                                         
                                        I'm still stuck on the mafia part.
                                         
                                        Because I understand how that can end.
                                         
                                        You're not just putting your life in jeopardy.
                                         
                                        Yeah, everybody gets close to you.
                                         
                                        They play for keys, now.
                                         
                                        Hey, man, I ain't got, man, who, what?
                                         
                                        Mm-mm.
                                         
    
                                        you know there's there's a certain excuse me we speaking to gambling now excuse my
                                         
                                        my lack of knowledge I might be wrong the greatest player the greatest basketball player
                                         
                                        of all time yes if I'm not mistaken second grade but okay yeah he'll big gamble yes yes he
                                         
                                        like you like you like you see where I'm going I'm trying not to say it without saying it
                                         
                                        because you lost someone very close to him mm-hmm but everybody know but if
                                         
                                        But the thing is, there are a lot of people that lost because they tripped next to him
                                         
                                        and feel they got the gambler as much as him.
                                         
                                        He's the logo.
                                         
    
                                        He ain't got to play no more basketball.
                                         
                                        And he's still going to get, he going to get, you know, 300, 400 million.
                                         
                                        And he ain't drip.
                                         
                                        What the last time Michael Joy and dribble the basketball?
                                         
                                        No, but see, you're not understanding what I'm saying.
                                         
                                        Didn't he lose somebody closest to him based on, okay.
                                         
                                        So you get where I'm going with it?
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
    
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        See, that's what the reports believe that it has something to do with that.
                                         
                                        Exactly.
                                         
                                        Which is why I don't understand how child.
                                         
                                        and Damon and Terry would even,
                                         
                                        yo, you, what,
                                         
                                        you part of who, Gambino, who?
                                         
                                        No, I'm good.
                                         
    
                                        I'm good.
                                         
                                        Renato, Lucase,
                                         
                                        I can help you with none of that information.
                                         
                                        Because in the minute it don't go right
                                         
                                        and you can't get to me,
                                         
                                        you're going to the next closest thing to me.
                                         
                                        I don't want, I don't want that.
                                         
                                        So that's, you know,
                                         
    
                                        and reportedly,
                                         
                                        the NBA investigated Terry Rozier in clarity
                                         
                                        that's the problem that you got yeah they investigated him last year oh joe we briefly touched
                                         
                                        on this uh-huh uh-huh and they cleared it now you see why the NFL see that's see that's why
                                         
                                        you can't do it Ocho because guess what these gaming companies they want to be able to bet with
                                         
                                        the NFL and MLB so they're going to turn you in oh yeah absolutely they're going to turn you in
                                         
                                        because like hold on wait a minute he
                                         
                                        He's just a guy.
                                         
    
                                        And why are we getting all these problems back coming in on him?
                                         
                                        And he just, oh, no.
                                         
                                        They'll pull it off the board.
                                         
                                        Man, please.
                                         
                                        Got damn.
                                         
                                        Look, in situations like this, Ocho, you got to just take your medicine
                                         
                                        and I hope it's not true.
                                         
                                        I look, I don't really know anybody but Johnson.
                                         
    
                                        The FBI does not come and get you until they have enough evidence
                                         
                                        to convict you of whatever said crime is.
                                         
                                        Well, I can hope, Ocho, damn.
                                         
                                        You know, hope the people in the hair
                                         
                                        hope they can get some goddamn ice water.
                                         
                                        Is it coming? Absolutely not.
                                         
                                        I'm hoping.
                                         
                                        Well, you know what?
                                         
    
                                        I'm a hope with you.
                                         
                                        I just, you know, Ocho, I'm just saying
                                         
                                        in a situation like this,
                                         
                                        you don't think, you don't think, you don't think
                                         
                                        you know how we're wired
                                         
                                        we think we're invincible
                                         
                                        because think about
                                         
                                        Ocho this was 2023 when this was going on
                                         
    
                                        it's 25, Ocho they didn't have forgot about that
                                         
                                        oh no, they don't forget
                                         
                                        by nothing now. Yeah, you know
                                         
                                        Ocho, you remember when your grandma, your mama said
                                         
                                        my grandma said boy I'm going to tell your tail
                                         
                                        up when you get home. About two, three hours
                                         
                                        go by, oh, she didn't forget about that.
                                         
                                        And next thing, you know, she's shutting down on you.
                                         
    
                                        Wow, wow, I just go!
                                         
                                        So, man, I just, boy, this is, this is, boy, they about to get, they about to get real, real, real.
                                         
                                        What, straight?
                                         
                                        But that, but that's, that's the problem.
                                         
                                        That's why you see these fans when, when their team, man, what the first thing they say?
                                         
                                        Man, you messed up my parlay.
                                         
                                        You messed up my fantasy.
                                         
                                        Yeah, my, yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                        Man, I'm not thinking about your fantasy.
                                         
                                        I think about I lost us the game.
                                         
                                        Yeah, they were.
                                         
                                        Damn your fantasy.
                                         
                                        They worry about that money.
                                         
                                        That's it has messed up, man.
                                         
                                        And then they don't pull Gill in it.
                                         
                                        They're talking about Gil and dying people out.
                                         
    
                                        I think it was Rachel Nichols.
                                         
                                        They put it out there like, I like, well, damn, Rachel,
                                         
                                        I hope you got some concrete, solid evidence.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I think Gil addressed it earlier.
                                         
                                        But yes, but for illegal, illegal poker, illegal gambling.
                                         
                                        I think the thing is, oh, Chowellie.
                                         
                                        And see, this is what lead, what people to believe.
                                         
                                        See, I told you the NBA was rig.
                                         
    
                                        I told you this was rig.
                                         
                                        See?
                                         
                                        Yeah, but see, hey, listen, you can't say the NBA or the NFL is rig
                                         
                                        when a small, I'm talking about a very small percentage,
                                         
                                        very small percentage of people get in trouble like this.
                                         
                                        Mm-hmm.
                                         
                                        Very, very, very small.
                                         
                                        You remember that, hold on, you remember that Shoahel Tani's story?
                                         
    
                                        His interpreter, 20 million.
                                         
                                        Ooh.
                                         
                                        And some of that was funneled through, uh,
                                         
                                        art's world.
                                         
                                        Hey,
                                         
                                        that's a different level.
                                         
                                        20 minutes.
                                         
                                        Mm-hmm.
                                         
    
                                        Hey.
                                         
                                        But I tell you, man,
                                         
                                        I'll tell you one thing my grandma always said.
                                         
                                        My grandma always told me, boy, a fool
                                         
                                        and his money.
                                         
                                        Soon part, shall soon part ways.
                                         
                                        And that shit, I mean, excuse me,
                                         
                                        I don't mean the curse. It is stuck with me
                                         
    
                                        through a lifetime.
                                         
                                        Where I understand I can have a little fun, but I know where to draw the line.
                                         
                                        I understand there are addictions in the world, whether it be alcohol, whether it be drugs, whether it be gambling.
                                         
                                        I mean, whether it be horizontal activity, you know.
                                         
                                        Gambling is one thing I've never done.
                                         
                                        Now, I'm enjoying and having some fun with it with a $200 limit, only blackjack because it's just me and a dealer.
                                         
                                        And the people that sit down with me, they can help me understand the game and whether to hit or the state.
                                         
                                        That's it.
                                         
    
                                        You need to learn how to play yourself
                                         
                                        because they're like, hey, would you like to play?
                                         
                                        I say, well, I ain't going to play with my money
                                         
                                        if you want to give me some of this house money
                                         
                                        and let me learn how to play.
                                         
                                        I'm not learning how to play nothing with my money.
                                         
                                        I'm going to know.
                                         
                                        When I sit my black ass down, I'm going to know how to play.
                                         
    
                                        And especially if you're at the blackjack table
                                         
                                        and you play in third base, boy, you mess up everybody hanging.
                                         
                                        I'm definitely not letting you play third base.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But, oh, you know, look, we gamble by everything.
                                         
                                        because, see, in the league, it's really not about the money.
                                         
                                        We bet obscure things.
                                         
                                        Like I say, I'm going to bet you $5,000 in pennies.
                                         
    
                                        I don't want your money.
                                         
                                        I want your pride.
                                         
                                        Everybody got money in the league.
                                         
                                        Some might not have as much as other, but I want you to go to the bank.
                                         
                                        I want you to go up to the cashier and, hey, take your debit card if you got one.
                                         
                                        And when that lady asks you, say, what are you going to do with $10,000 in dimes?
                                         
                                        What do you need $12,000 in Susan B. Anthony for?
                                         
                                        You tell them, I lost a bet to Shannon Sharp.
                                         
    
                                        That's what I won't.
                                         
                                        I want you to blurt that out.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        It ain't about to.
                                         
                                        I can eat that.
                                         
                                        I don't turn up about no $5,000.
                                         
                                        I want you to take your ass to the bank and tell that cashier that you've got to get $10,000 in dimes.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        And y'all don't know if y'all notice, but y'all, y'all don't know how heavy coins are when you're getting that amount of money.
                                         
                                        Mm-hmm.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Man, come on.
                                         
                                        Chuck, man, here's too. I don't want it.
                                         
                                        The bet was $200 in
                                         
                                        quarters. It wasn't a $200 in bills,
                                         
                                        so take your ass to the bank, so I ain't
                                         
    
                                        taking it. I said, I don't know what that is.
                                         
                                        I shrewed the money out in my
                                         
                                        locker. I don't want that.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Quarters?
                                         
                                        Susan B. Anthony, I want Susan B. Anthony.
                                         
                                        I want them sack of your wheels.
                                         
                                        Hey, you know what? I tell you, well, give me a $1,000
                                         
    
                                        sack of your wheels, them gold, them gold dollar
                                         
                                        court. That's what I want.
                                         
                                        Man, Chuck, man, you know I can't find.
                                         
                                        I don't know what you can find.
                                         
                                        Go on a scavenger hunt, Marco Polo.
                                         
                                        So that's the bad.
                                         
                                        This is, this is dominated.
                                         
                                        And Gus Ocho is not going to quiet down anytime soon.
                                         
    
                                        No, this.
                                         
                                        I'm not going to quiet down.
                                         
                                        Absolutely not.
                                         
                                        It's not.
                                         
                                        Because you have to understand, as the headlines already hit today, right?
                                         
                                        You're going to give you pieces of the story,
                                         
                                        bit by bit and then this is in all honestly more people are going to come out for sure more people
                                         
                                        are going to come out this is just this is the cornerstone this is the top piece this is just to grab
                                         
    
                                        your attention now we're going to give you a little bit little by little damn basketball season
                                         
                                        just started well they decide to wait on open what opening night when you're going to get the most
                                         
                                        attention oh cho open in night okay they think they slick all this is very strategic
                                         
                                        on their part as well.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I can't believe they in the mob.
                                         
                                        I'm still, hey, I'm still fascinated by that.
                                         
                                        Man, one mistake.
                                         
    
                                        I don't lost a million dollars
                                         
                                        because you told me so-and-so was playing
                                         
                                        and he ain't played.
                                         
                                        Well, you need to give me my money back.
                                         
                                        Man, I had a good friend,
                                         
                                        my mind.
                                         
                                        We used to come out here.
                                         
                                        It used to come down to the Fremont,
                                         
    
                                        which is the old strip.
                                         
                                        Everything is on the new strip now,
                                         
                                        but everything used to be
                                         
                                        benions and the golden nuggets,
                                         
                                        all that's Downstown on Fremont.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And to hear those stories talk,
                                         
                                        I think it was his uncle.
                                         
    
                                        Jack, one of them got killed.
                                         
                                        He had hordes of silver and gold
                                         
                                        and cash buried in the desert.
                                         
                                        And I may or may not have something.
                                         
                                        I'm a move on.
                                         
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