Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chiefs dominant, Tyreek time in KC, Davante reunion with Rodgers

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Patrick Mahomes, Kareem Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs improving to 5-0 after a win against Derek Carr and the New Orleans Saints on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss what the Chiefs should do in Rashee Rice’s absence and if they should reunite with Miami Dolphins WR Tyreek Hill, best landing spot for Davante Adams is with Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets and much more!03:18 - show starts03:35 - intro06:12 - Saints v Chiefs24:51 - Rashee’s injury status43:00 - Davante Trade Rumors51:13 - Stefanski Browns sticking with Deshawn57:10 - Bills terrible Game01:01:37 - Jayden Daniels01:04:30 - Jarod Mayo on Brisset(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. You probably watched the Kansas City Chief remain undefeated as they take down the New Orleans Saints 2613 Patrick Mahomes, outstanding night 28 of 39, 331, one INT. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite on Shannon Sharpe. He is your favorite number 85 Liberty City's own Cincinnati Big O Ring of Fame honoree. The pro, the all pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. But you can just call him Ocho. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and guys do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your

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sub to one million sub, the, the Webby's, uh, the, the, the synopsis award, all of those awards were because of you. Yes. Oh, Joe and I, we create great content. CJ does a great job with club Shasha. Ash does an unbelievable job with her team for nightcap but it's because of you that we've been able to do and have the level of success that we've had that we've enjoyed. So thank you again. Ocho the Chiefs have continued their undefeated start to the season with a 26-13 victory at home over the New Orleans Saints. The Chiefs improved to 5-0. Bahon boy threw for 331 yards, 130 of them with the Juju Smith Schuster. Kareem Hunt ran for 102 yards in his first game in Arrowhead since rejoining the team.

Derrick Carr left the game in the fourth quarter after suffering an oblique injury. He was replaced by Jake Hayner. Jake Hayner. Ocho, you watch this game 26. I did. What did you like about what you saw from the chiefs? And what do you think they need to improve on to keep this streak alive and possibly three? Listen, speaking of improvement, I thought I thought they were going to play.

I'm not they weren't going to play bad because Patrick Mahomes always find a way. And we have a quarterback like that. He always finds a way to make it happen. But you have no Pacheco cream hunt comes in, you have no Rishi rice and Juju Smith and Xavier worthy. And obviously they still have Travis Kelsey and Hollywood Brown is out for the, from the start of the season, but go ahead. Oh yeah.

I'm so I'm thinking, okay, maybe things are going to start a little slow. Maybe they're going to start a little slow. He going to try to figure out ways to manipulate the office and they're going to scheme people open to give them the offense and they're gonna scheme people open to give them the ball and hell they look better than they did last week. This is the best I've seen them look on Joe. Exactly this is the best I've seen them look so the fact that you were 4-0 you're missing key pieces to your offense and you look better than you did when you had those two those two key pieces that were missing is is beyond me. On the opposite end, the Saints, it all comes down to decision making

when you're playing a team like the Chiefs. Derek Carr throwing the intercept, just throwing the ball up in just throwing the ball up in the air like that for grabs. No. But what are we doing? What are we doing? Then I sent a tweet out, I said, it all comes down. Derek Carr, settle down.

Let the game come to you. Run the ball and then pick and choose when to take your shots. I swear, as soon as I press in, maybe about the next off in the series, they got the ball. What did they do? Run, dink and dunk, run, dink and dunk. Rashid, Rashid Shahid on the Dino route, the post corner post touchdown. That's, that's all I'm not saying.

That's all you have to do is it's much more difficult than that. But Derek, Derek Carr, his decision making, it kind of hurt him a little bit. Uh, the all out bliss, the all out bits, the zero blitz. I can't remember the receiver's name. Uh, number he's, we was doingitz. I can't remember the receiver's name. Number he was wearing 84. He has to make that catch. For the Chiefs? For the Saints.

For the Saints. On that all out zero Blitz. You gotta make that catch for your quarterback. You gotta make that catch for your quarterback. Other than that, man, listen, the Chiefs look good. They going into the bye week five and oh, and I'm thinking at some point they were gonna have a slump because they're missing some key pieces to their offense.

Listen, it's unbelievable. And I'll say it again. When you have a quarterback like that, anything is possible. It's like, plug in, next man up. Same thing when Brady's with the Patriots players get hurt A different piece of that puzzle always changed consistently But for some reason because of quarterback because of the person they have at the helm

It doesn't matter who's out there They I mean he gonna make it happen and Patrick Mahomes is doing the same exact same exact damn thing Well, as long as if you play spades, as long as you got the big joker, you know, you got one book. Got my home Brady. Those are big jokers. You know, you got a chance. Yeah.

And you know, hoping they're going to give and they get, they breathe confidence into your entire team. Because, you know, like we just do our job. He go make it work. They have an outstanding defense gave up 13 points. They only given up what? 29 points in five games. They've only given up 29 points in the second half.

Hey, you know, it's funny. So I thought the defense would obviously with the, with the absence of. God, what's the young boy's young boy named Tennessee. Yeah. Well, as they're, as they're, as they're, as they Well, as they're Lageria's, I thought there would have been a little lapse in defense once the Jerry's left and they they missed the beat that got them. Chris Jones. He's so got their motherfuckers in the back for you.

Listen, he stay in the back for your aunt, but they double teaming him. Yeah, they double teaming him in him and the opportunities where he beats a double team he gets skinny so quick at the point of attack. I'm like what is y'all doing? Just squeeze, squeeze down. He's spinning right through you. He's gonna get some procedures because he's down, he's guessing a snap, he's jumping. He's got it down to a science. Now you're gonna get him now on a 30, 31, 32, fourth to one, fourth to two. You're gonna get him a couple of times. But more times than not, he gonna get you.

And like you said, he's hitting and he's skinning so quick. Quick. He does a great job in what I tell receivers is play on edges. Brother, you can't play straight down a man. You can't let him put his hands in your breastplate. Yeah. Give him one side.

You know what, Unc, as you just said, playing skinny for the people in the chat don't understand what playing skinny means. Think about boxing. When it comes to boxing, you turn one side. You always got one side, so you give him a third. Oh, you wanna get the big ass target? Yeah. Yeah, it's the same.

The same thing with the demons alignment. Some of the best demons alignment. The fact that they double team at Chris Jones tonight and at the point of attack, smooth the ball snap. He gets skinny right away. Sometimes I saw him get skinny his hands way up here. Uh huh. And he and he just I'm like, man, what the hell?

What is y'all doing? He's so good. He's so good with his hands. How he can stab, what I mean, use one hand to turn the offensive lineman. Uh-huh. Now I've got you turned. Yeah. You can't do nothing. You got to leverage. You'll take one of his, push your arm up, go right on by to the side that he lifted. It's great watching guys that are so technically, he's so gifted, it looks like he's about six, five, maybe 300 pounds, but he's so light and quick off the ball.

Oh my goodness, for a man his size and the way he can get skin in the ground. And spies do a great job of moving him up and down. They'll put him in his natural position, which is a three technique. They'll put him at the nose. They'll put him in his natural position, which is a three technique. They'll put him at the nose, they'll put him in a five, they'll put him in a seven, a seven shade, they'll put him in a nine, they'll put him in a wide.

I know you guys, I'm just, I'm saying, a wide nine is what we call a cowboy front. You can have a nine which is slightly outside. Now you can go head up, now you can go to a seven shade, now you can go to a five, which is inside eye. Now you can go head up. Now you can go to a seven shade. Now you can go to a five, which is inside eye of the tight end, outside shoulder of the tackle. Or you can go five.

Or you can go three technique. Warren Sapp, Joe Green, Aaron Donald. When you think of three techniques, those are the guys. Chris Jones. But they do a great job of moving Chris Jones up and down the line of scrimmage. Because what he's trying to do

is he's trying to find a weak link. And so what are you going to do? You're going to say, OK, I'm going to try you right tackle. I'm going to try your right guard. I'll try your center. I'll try your left guard. I'll try your left tackle. Whichever one is weak, but this is got hell on your hands. This is the problem.

You can have hell on your hands regardless, because regardless, unless he's playing either some of the some of the better guards and tackles in NFL everybody is the goddamn weak link when it comes to him because since Aaron Donald is going yes Three yeah, he is he is he legit he for real he's working he's working on an extensive case Fakanton five years after he retires. Oh, yeah, most definitely extensive case for Canton five years after he retired. Oh yeah. Most definitely. He's had that kind of impact.

He's, he's been the best player on their defense all those Superbowl years. He's been the best player. And so that means something. He's a multiple time all pro. Uh, he's, he's, he's fair. He has that he's the one that makes it easier for Mcduffie. And when they had luxurious need and when they had all those guys back there, he made it easy because he's a hell raiser. Yeah. He's a hell raiser.

He does a great job with his hands. He can get skinny. Hey, he's good. Stout at the point of attack where it needs to be. But he's trying to live in your backfield. And like I said, that's what they do. Define the weak link. Hey, we turning door handles. Oh, this was open. We there. We're going to come here weak link. Hey, we turning door handles. Oh, this was open. We there. We finna come in here bro. Hey. Hey, you better be on your P's and Q's.

Kareem Hunt, 27 carriers, a buck oh two Ocho. That's crazy. Awesome. Awesome night running the book bomb. How long Kareem been there? Two weeks? Two weeks. Well, third week, I remember the first time they put him on the practice squad.

To get him a week to get him acclimated. Right, right. Let him get his legs up on there. That's crazy. But he was special. I don't know if y'all remember when he first got there, that game, his come out breakout game was that Thursday night game against Kansas, against the Patriots after they won the Super Bowl.

And he had like a hundred yards rushing, a hundred yards receiving. They had over 500 yards of total offense. They totally annihilated the Patriots. That was his coming out party. He had like what, 13, 14, maybe even 50 hundred yards rushing that season. He's phenomenal.

He's a dual threat guy that can run between the tackles. He can get outside. He can catch the ball. At the backfield. He was off, he was off. He's a dual threat guy that can run between the tackles. He can get outside. He can catch the ball He was gonna have I would love to have seen him Play his entire career or at least these years that he ended up going to Cleveland in Kansas City Yeah, because that's what they miss cuz he knows would have been crazy Oh, it absolutely was have been crazy because if you take if you take that If you take what he's able to do as far as being able to run the ball

between the tackles outside the tackles, stretching, then you take them and put them in the passing game as well. Yes. You got Kelsey. Then you got all the other weaponry you got around you. Man, it's like it's almost unfair when you think about it. But listen, God don't make no mistakes.. But listen, God don't make no mistakes. God, God don't make no mistakes. He had to sit him down and then bring him on back home.

And look at Juju. Remember Juju last couple of years in Pittsburgh? Nothing. You remember what he did? You remember how he looked? What do you call him? End up cutting it? Yeah. The Patriots. Yeah. Now, look, look, look, look, look, look how he looks now. Yeah. Remember in the football against the the Eagles? Yeah.

You know what? You know what I always say? I always say when players, I don't want to use the word disappear. When they go to other teams where they're not used in the right way, where they can be efficient and still be productive. That's what you get. You get what you saw when you were the Patriots or when he was used in the right way where they can be efficient and still be productive. That's what you get. You get what you saw when you were the Patriots or when he was with when he was with with the Steelers, when Antonio Brown was there, right, and he was putting up all those numbers.

They double A.B. So, boom, he's getting opportunities. But you have to understand that. But see, Ocho, that's the hardest thing. When people think they're number ones. When they're really a two, because the number one is getting all the attention. So now you go somewhere and you're the number one. And so now my focus, you get a lot of work.

You're getting Jai Alexander. You get Ramsey, you get in certain you get in Sal's Gardner. That's a big difference between getting one constantly and getting two and three. Yeah, I don't think people understand for especially that people in the chat. If you watch the game of football and we talk about some of the elite receiver, the Jefferson's or Chase, the AJ Browns just down the list of number one receivers from each team. I don't think and the difference from a one and a two There's a reason there's a reason for that. There's a tremendous drop-off from somebody being a number one. So when teams break the huddle They're making their calls and defense assignment based on where that number one lines up for sure

So they can't know you every down first down second down third down. We need to know where he is Yeah, and DB's and when you're the number one the DB get a lot of frequent flyer miles because they travel. Yeah Oh, yeah, they follow you. Oh, yeah, where you going? Okay, I'm there too. Yeah. Oh you invited to you invited to the slot I'm coming Hey I'm here too. Yeah. Oh, you invited to, you invited to the slot. I'm coming. Hey, make sure you get a plus one. Cause I'm gonna be right there in front of your ass. And you know what? And that's where for a receiver,

you really hope whoever your office coordinator is, has a lot of creativity when it comes to scheming. Cause then you got to move them around. Yeah. You got to move you around because they lead you out there by yourself. Well, you're gonna be mad as hell when you don't touch a goddamn ball to the fourth quarter. Ocho, and we had this conversation, I think it was about two weeks ago.

When you sign somebody in free agency, are you going to use him like he was being used at the team that made you fall in love with him? Exactly. Because if you're not, you're going to be upset. Your fan base is going to be upset because they say, well, he ain't playing like he did over there. They're not using him like they did over there. So about Derek Henry and the reference to Derek Henry, remember? You got to know anybody because how many times have you seen Ocho?

A guy get big dollars in free agency and he's a four or three defensive end. They put him in a three, four stand up. Right. Right. Or he's a three, four stand up. And they put him in a four, three D and put they put him in a three, four stand up. Right. Right. Or he's a three, four stand up and they put him in a four, three D and put him in his hand in the dirt. Or this guy used to play in zone coverage of the corner. And you put him in man to man. Hey, well, you better use him. Use him.

But you got to understand, listen, when you take zone corners and they go to a man team or you get exposed so fast. Yeah. Those really you could run to a real fast because you get exposed so fast. Yeah. You get exposed real, you get grumped about real fast. Cause that's a whole different ball game. Now there's only a handful of players. There's a handful of DBs in NFL that can actually play man to man. You know what?

I don't even need no help. Or it's third down or I don't even need no help. Boy. You ain't got no, you don't have the, you don't, first of all, you don't have the line back of blood in the flat. So you don't have to worry about anything underneath. You've got the safety over the top. You're playing a lot of teams playing that two shell now because teams are unwilling

to try to run the football. So I ain't got to worry about. I'm like, bro, bro, I know you are all of a sudden you want to get physical. You don't think I see that safety way back there. Yeah. Yeah. You and you are all that. Oh, you know, they get down there, they lose their little booty. Yeah. Yeah. You got you are all that. All. Oh, Joe, you know, they get down in the little stand. They wiggle their little booty. Yeah. Yeah.

You are me and you. They get your ass out of my face. Oh, what about when they put one foot back like they get ready to bail and try to jump press to? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like they got help back there. Hey, everybody, everybody want to be like time. They got the arms hanging.

They wiggled their booty. Oh, Joe, I said, man, get your ass out of here. I see that safety way back there. You are all of a sudden you tough. Man, get the hell up out of here. Y'all ain't fooling nobody. I'll tell you what, tell them you want to cover me, man. And I guarantee you'll find your name.

I bet you on Monday morning, your name will be on the wave a while. You know, I always wondered when it comes to, let's say just for instance, hypothetically speaking, like when it comes to like a sauce gardener or Patrick Surtain Jr. I wonder are they allowed to go to their coach and say, I wanna travel. I know we have a certain scheme that we run.

I know there's certain things that we do defensively, but do me the favor, allow me to travel with whoever it is because I want to match up against him all day. You think a lot of that? Probably. Oh, Joe. But the thing is, is that you give the office keys because they know when you go and you play in a certain coverage with that guy. So now that's why a lot of teams don't like to travel because I don't want you getting keys on what I'm doing based on what he's doing. So I want to disguise it as much as I possibly can.

So you think it's on now, bro, we in man. I just got I just go roll some help late over the top. See, that's that's how if you really like that. I'm just I'm just saying me, if I was a DB, if you really like that. Hey, coach, who we got this week? Man, listen, I got him all game. You run whatever coverage you want to to the other side of the field. This side, I got this.

Don't even worry about it. I got you. Well, see, that's the problem that you run into. Like when you play a team like the 49ers or you play a divine, you play the Eagles because while you got somebody dealing with A.J. Brown and A.J. go make his play, Devontae, Devontae Smith go eat that number two. Yeah, killing you. Brandon, are you go eat your number two up? Right. So that's the problem that you run into. Okay. Y'all got not TJ go eat. Oh, y'all go do what y'all do the old show. Okay. TJ go eat. And soon as y'all start rolling

the coverage over there to help TJ out, I'll be back. Oh, you forgot. I'll be right back. Oh, y'all forgot. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them,

to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The Chiefs headed to the bye week five and oh after 2613 victory over the New Orleans Saints, they're undefeated in their quest to be the first team in NFL history to win three straight Superbowls. The Chiefs received some good news today, Ocho, regarding Rashid Rice status. Yeah. And Rappaport reported that Rice's LCL may be the only ligament

that needs to be repaired. Okay. Shepter reported it's unlikely Chief Rashid Rice will play again this season, but doctors will not know for sure until they do the surgery. He's going under anesthesia. They're going to look around and see what they find and what they repair What would determine the extent of the injury and how much downtime? What should the chief do? I?

Mean I read a Miami y'all want to trade us Tyreek back First because he knows the office Ocho Right. I will put that out there. I mean, that's a good one. I like it, but they don't need to. They don't need to. Not based off what I saw tonight. Oh, no, no, that's not based on what I saw tonight. That's not good enough. You don't need to.

I don't know if you'll beat the Ravens again without seeing Tyreek. Is that fear factor? Whoa. But they only got Xavier worthy. You already got the fear factor. I will. I will not factor. I want nothing. He's scared. He ain't the boogeyman. I want the boogeyman.

I want you afraid to come outside. I want to be. Hey, man, you got Tyree. Nah, nah, bro. I want juju. Matter of fact, that ain't even fair. Now that I think about it, could you imagine a team? Now think about when Hollywood Brown come back. think about if they did get Tyree.

Think about and Xavier worthy at the same time. Yeah, come on, man. That's what I mean. Matter of fact, you know, if Tyree was to come back, just say hypothetically speaking, how about we just hand him the goddamn Lombardi now? Because you're not you're not stopping that. You're not you're not stopping that. You're not, you're not stopping that. I don't think there's a defense or a scheme

or a team that has put together well enough, has the personnel to stop something like that. No. So you reach out to tell you reach out to Miami and see if they're interested in what Tyreek, then I'll probably go D-Hawk. Cause I don't believe me personally. I don't.

You're saying, you're ain't mad you trying to create a uh ultimate team there. But here's the but no I'm just saying all that oh no closed mouth don't get fed now Jerry said he thought Derrick Henry was too expensive but did he see? That's like you going you going to the you going to the club or something and that fine girl over there, man, she probably got somebody. Did you ask to see? But listen, if you see that fine girl over there, you'd never forget the game of soccer. Just because there's a goalie in that

doesn't mean you can't score. Exactly. So go over there and ask her. Guess what? She might be on the out. They might've just broke up. Yeah. Yeah. He might've just broke up. Yeah. Yeah. He about to do some flosh ish.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? A look back. You got to be. Hey, listen, that's one thing about it. They they will get that look back. All she can do is tell me, no. And you know how many times I've been told, no, she probably won't tell you that. But I want to hear her say it, though. There's something there's something refreshing about being told no.

No, you know, you know, it'll make you feel bad when somebody. No, no. Do you know how many times I was told no, that I ain't gonna be ish, that I ain't gonna do nothing? Come on, if you go to you go to college, you ain't gonna do you ain't gonna do what you did in high school. If you go to the NFL, you I don't been told no, I don't. You know, right, right, right, right, right, right.

But here's the guess what? She said, yeah, that I mean, hey, man, I be clicking my heels like Dorothy in the middle of the bar. There's no place like home. There is no place like the band, please. Oh, hey, I know one thing. They. Hey, but I know one thing. You can say no. Yeah. Listen, I know one thing about it. You've heard more yeses than you've heard no's in life. I know that. Absolutely.

Oh, okay. I'm just making sure. And guess what, Ocho? There's been some time them no turn to yeses. It was no yesterday. All right. But tomorrow. Yeah. Oh yeah. Quick. And I'll be thinking all the time. I remember you told me no.

Oh yeah. One hand on you. One hand on your old shoulder. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes you got to make a paper saying no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You got to make a paper saying no. And depending, like I don't mean to be getting, getting to getting off track, but it's funny sometimes when they say no and you get an opportunity for some reason, it always seemed like. They free time, they, they, they all of a sudden have free time. Oh, I got free time now. Oh, now you're not busy no more. It's funny how that works. Sometimes the opportunity.

No. Are you telling me to turn the page or you're telling me to close the book? Boy, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. You know, I'm in a hotel.

I'm at this fan. Hey, look at the pin. Look at the pin. A little feather. Give me that one. I've been feeling down for you right with Ben Franklin. Who the hell are you, Ben Franklin? I'm in New York and some I don't know what Doug got me staying at, man.

What you about to sign the Declaration of Independence? Man, there you got. You got me in one of these fancy hotels. Come on, man. Don't don't don't do me like that. Give me that. Give me that. Give me that quote more time. But that's the thing, Ocho. Sometimes you got me in one of these fancy hotels. Come on, I don't know. Give me that. Give me that. Give me that quote more time. But that's the thing, Ocho. Sometimes you got to understand.

OK, do I turn the page or do I close the book? Oh, stop. Stay right there. Stay right there now. Do I turn the page or do I close the book? See, now that's a good one liner when you're in an argument with your woman. That's a good. that's a good one-liner when you're in an argument with your woman. That's a good one-liner. Now that can stumble up or trip up and she might not have a way to answer to that because that's a good one. How do you want to continue this conversation?

You want me to turn the page or close the book? Because if I close the book, then we done. So if I turn the page, then the conversation over. Now, which one you want? Hey, I'm a you. If I close, if I come back, if I close the book, we over. At least if I turn the page, I can continue reading. All I'm saying is I'm done with this conversation at the time. Hey, will you be having some? Oh, that's a good one.

But I wait until my next argument But wait till I close that book. Yeah. That ain't the Bible. I ain't going back into it and open it up when I can find hard time. You know, a lot of times people go back to the Bible. They don't read the Bible until they fall on hard time. Right, right, right, right.

Oh, man, I don't believe, but guess what happened? With something, Lord have mercy. That's the, I don't believe. But guess what happened with something? Lord have mercy. That's the first thing they hollered at. Hey, when you're driving, when you're driving, right? And it's raining and you start sliding, who the first person you call on? Mm hmm.

All right now. That is boy, boy, boy. You know what? Oh, that, boy. You would have. Oh, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's tough. Yeah. Because we've all been in situations where you want something and then it's like, no, Hey, I got time. You know, I got that.

Right. Sometimes it's been a year. Sometimes it's been two years, three years. Yeah. But you don't, or fine when they got no expiration date, not what O'Shea. Hold on. Oh, I know you wait that on. I know you ain't waiting that long. I know you ain't waiting that long. No, no, no, no. Who said I was waiting?

Oh, I mean, you said one year, two years. I'm trying to. I'm just saying. Ocho, sometimes the line to get into the restaurant is long. You got to wait your turn. Oh, come on now. You got to wait your turn. Come on. You got to wait. You know, it's funny. You know, it's funny when you say that

this is this is the weird thing about life. This is the weird thing about relationships. This weird thing about about marriages or situations in today's time. The funny thing about it, if there's someone you want. All you have to do is wait. Mm want. All you have to do is wait. Mm hmm. All you have to do is wait because everything has an expiration date. Mm hmm. There's something very difficult, something very difficult. Three things you can't make happy.

You can't make people on the Internet happy. You know, to make that the IRS happy in the most difficult thing of all time is keeping a woman happy long term. The most difficult. Now, there's a man out there that has figured that out. Please let me know and write a book. Very difficult. Long term.

Yeah, once they once they've known you, when the butterflies are gone, the dopamine is gone, when the honeymoon phase is gone. How do you still continue to find ways to keep a motherfucker happy? Cause when you have that feeling of the unknown, you don't know. I mean, it's always exciting then, you know, yours got butterflies then. What happened when you're in year five? Huh? What happened in your seven year and year eight? See, it's different.

That it's saying this ain't back in the old days, baby. What, you know what? We ain't got nowhere else to go. So we had no choice, but's different. That is saying this ain't back in the old days, baby. What you know what? We ain't got nowhere else to go. So we had no choice but to stay with who you with. Now, what would happen? Happy night. But he hit the door so God damn quick.

Yeah. Next. It's like that with everybody. Everybody think it's better. Everybody. Yeah, I think they got to be gonna find a better woman. Women think they're gonna find a better man, a better man. In some cases, you might.

Some cases, you just might. But a lot of times, it's not that you found someone better is that you were willing to do more. So you would do more for someone new. Right. Then you would for what you had. That's the problem. Ain't nothing changed but what you did. Your girl asked you to go ID?

Nah, babe, I'm hungry. I don't wanna go out. That new one asked you where you wanna go? Hey, that's called complacency. Yeah. I'll pretend. All the things you used to do to get them. But you know that it kind of fades away as time goes on.

But that's what kind of fades away. But that's what that's how I am. I am I am very whatever I do. I'll continue that. Then I'll continue it. That's hard. No, it ain't. You don't think so? Not for me. Not for me. Not for me. I want you. This is what I'm willing to do.

Not only to get you, but to keep you. Right. But now I like that. I like that. All of a sudden, Ocho, all of a sudden, well, you I never did that. Can I ask with something? Yes. I know we all track a little bit, but stay with me now. Do you understand how difficult it is?

And it's one thing you see quotes and you hear people talk about it, but you know how difficult it is. If you wear the same shoe all the time, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, but after a certain amount of time, what happened to the bottom of that shoe? They get a wall out. It's hard, it's hard, and then you have to reinvent and create a new soul. But guess what? When I think about what you just said,

how long have you actually been in a situation where you've been able to do the thing you did in the beginning and still kept up that same that same that pattern that same pattern because I got the wow boy hey boy you see these little Joe yes sir these are what I wear in my house they don't go outside now they're gonna eventually get worn down yeah but guess who wore them down that old lady that I had 10 15 gets more down. Come on. It was O'Shea grounded down to the nose I'm in a hotel and I can't get I do what I love you know the one thing about

Women that's ever been in my presence. Yes, sir. They'll tell you all right. I knew he liked love. You know, the one thing about women that's ever been in my presence. Yes, sir. They'll tell you, oh, I knew he liked me. Ain't no question. Yeah. Ain't no question. Ain't no if and a but. Right. Right. I think I think he kind of dig it on me. You know, because O'Shea coming.

Yeah. Oh, you mean. Yeah. To that, I'm coming to them. Yeah. And when I come. Yeah. Category five, when I touch down, I'm wrecking shop. Oh, oh, oh. That's what I'm talking about. So covered down on your stuff, covered down. That's all I'm saying. Just five weeks in, we're down to two teams chasing the 1972 Dolphins,

the only team to finish the regular and postseason undefeated in the same season. They went 17 and 0 in winning the Super Bowl. The Kansas City Chiefs and the Minnesota Vikings are the only two remaining undefeated teams. Ocho, who will lose first, the Chiefs or the Vikings? You know what's funny? I'm not sure who will lose first, but they would want to lose though. At some point you want to lose.

I wouldn't even be wanting to chase that record, especially before it gets, before it gets come, it comes close to playoff time. If anything, continue to win over and over and over before you reach the playoffs so you know what adversity feels like, so you know what it feels like to lose and know what it know what you need to Do to make sure it doesn't happen again Right about the team that I think would lose first. It probably be the Chiefs It for some reason I think it'll probably be the Chiefs

I'm not sure what team will have that number But when the Chiefs do lose a game is gonna be a team that we least expect it and it's probably gonna be the Raiders For saying I'm saying it's probably gonna be a team that we least expected. And it's probably going to be the Raiders. For saying I'm saying it's probably going to be Raiders that they lose to. I'm trying to see which which one which one is. So the top is the Chiefs. Oh, yeah. So the Chiefs next game is that 1020 is that the 49ers. So the Chiefs have the 49ers at Raiders, Tampa at home,

Broncos at home, at Bills, at Panthers, Raiders at home, Chargers at home, at Browns versus Texas, Steelers on Christmas, Broncos 1-5, Detroit. So no, so now the Minnesota Vikings, they got Detroit, the Rams, the Colts, the Jags, the Titans, the Bears, the Cardinals, the Falcons. Man, looked like the Chiefs gonna lose their first. They got the 49ers, the Bucks, Buffalo. But hey, I remember we started the season in 98. We started 13 and oh, I ain't want to lose. Damn.

We started 30. We started 13. I want to know that you we did. We're 14 and two in the regular season. One to Super Bowl. Oh, joy. The thing is we had a lead. I think we had to lead the Giants.

We had to lead on the Giants. We kicked the ball off. We tack to lead on the Giants. We kicked the ball off. We tackled them on the 13 on the 13 yard line. Yeah. In three plays, there were 87 yard touchdown. Three plays, three plays. Yeah. And we lost. We, we threw a hair Mary in the end zone.

Uh, John threw a hail Mary in the end zone or John threw a Hail Mary a Hail Mary and But we lost and then we played Monday night, uh-huh We played the Dolphins on a Monday night and they beat the Braves office But they would it what made us mad because they were celebrating It was Sam Madison, T Buck, all them guys was over there celebrating. And I just remember it was me, Foots, and TD. I said, look at them.

We'll see them again. Yeah. We got some funny ass when we see them. Division of rounds of the playoffs, 38 to three. Y'all mocked them like that? Did we? Y'all must have played in Denver, huh? We did.

Okay. We did. 38 to three Ocho TD had like a buck 99 on light. And we called the dogs off on them. Hold on, Zack Thomas. This one, nah, Zack Thomas. Oh, Zack Thomas was there. Jason Taylor.

Boy, we ran him. Brock Marion was that safety? We ran him off the field. Ran them out of my high. Hold on. Hey, Louis Oliver was playing then. When you went to the. No, no, no, no, Sweet Lou had been gone.

Oh, you've been gone? Okay, okay. Sweet Lou and Jarvis. You know Jarvis Williams was there too. Okay, okay. I played against both of them, Jarvis and Sweet Lou. Okay, okay, okay. That's what, I remember Ocho, we went to Berlin.

We played them in Berlin. Right. Because we went all over. I mean the Broncos because obviously we had John. So we went to Japan twice. We went to Australia. We went to Berlin. We went to Barcelona.

We played, we were playing them. We were going to play Miami and Berlin We're gonna play Miami in Barcelona, Berlin So we know obviously we have practice scrimmage against each other. So one-on-ones Mm-hmm. I have actually never done one-on-ones as a wide receiver Well early in my career my first year then when they move in a tight end, I didn't do it no more Right. So Dan said Shannon got me out of 907 states. I want you to go run some routes. I'm like, OK. So I went down there. I was like. John said, I want you to get I want you to, you know, I know what you can do. I want you to go. I want you to show them what you can do. Yeah.

I cook everybody. Everybody. They start in corners. Right. Jarvis, Lou, Cook. I'm cooking everybody. That's when I knew at that point in time. Yeah. I said, okay.

They gonna, they gonna. Cause they had that, it never really dawned on me, Ocho. Cause when Dan pulled me out of down on seven to go down there, I'm just like, okay. Then it really dawned on me, Ocho, because when Dan pulled me out of 907 to go down there, I'm just like, okay. Then it really dawned on me. And John Pullman said, okay, I want you to get this work done. I want you to do what you do. Cookin'. Cookin'.

Rumors surrounding Devontae Adams and talks of him being traded away from Las Vegas are ramping up. According to K. Adams, he will not be on our show Tuesday as originally scheduled. She tweeted, Oh boy, lots happening at the moment with our guy. Adam, he won't be on tomorrow. Sorry about that. Stay tuned today.

Adam Schieff, the name, the jets, the saints are the most likely landing spots for Devante Adam services. I mean, it makes the most sense in the most sense. We know why the saints, but I don't think the best fit for him would be the Saints, being that they have their targets already in Olabe and Rashid Shaheed. But what makes sense to me to help both of the orphans over in New York is Aaron Rodgers. I mean, it just, it makes the most sense, you know, and I think if he is to come, I think he will restructure, uh, and, and promising that he'll be there obviously

more than more, more than one year. Cause I think Aaron will probably come back another year as well. Um, because, because of the injury that, uh, the previous year, but just, I mean, it's the writing is on the wall. writing is on the wall I'm sure Aaron behind closed or they try to do everything you can to get to get a The jest to get a devar theory on down there and it gives them a check it gives him a chance I think if you have Aaron Rodgers you brought him there for a reason So you might as well get more the tools you want to to see how far you guys can go they have seen the FCE right now I mean, it's up for grabs It's up for grabs. so why not improve your offense

and go take it? All that being said, Aaron's gonna have to play better than Ocho. Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely. He's not playing well. It's based on what we saw last night. I mean, what's it about? And the week before against the Broncos.

Yeah, yeah. He hasn't played well. Even if you go back to the first game now, he played well in one game, but other than that he hadn't played well He's gonna have to play better because remember Ocho. He was supposed to be the reason why they're winning Yeah, not why they're losing. Mm-hmm And so their defense is play look their defense isn't historically great, but they're playing well enough. Well enough, yeah. He's not holding up his end of the deal. I'm not breaking news, guys.

This is not an Amber Alert where Shannon Sharp is breaking news about Aaron Rodgers being banned. He's not playing well, and we can acknowledge that. A lot of people don't wanna acknowledge that, but I think athletes want you to be honest with them. I believe you can be honest without beating them over the head. Right, right. It's okay. And the funny thing about it is, you know what I like about Aaron, which I think most of the time, or maybe he doesn't, he took accountability for that. He said he has to play well. I mean, he said it most times they

deflect and point the fingers at other people. You know, but the fact that he was able to take it kind of, you know, I didn't I didn't play well, I didn't play like myself. So, I mean, we're going to see what happened. I'm not sure who they're playing. I'm not sure who the Jets are playing next, but hopefully, hopefully he has a better showing. What is the line going to have a fire sale? What about Max Crosby?

Does he want to stay? Does he want out? Yeah, nah. The boy, they must run somebody get him. Woo. Can you imagine? Hey, he a hell raiser, Ocho. Oh yeah, yeah, big time.

He relentless. Big time. He the real deal. You know, he remind me of Jared Allen. You remember Jared Allen? I just get ready to say Jared Allen. Remember every time Jared Allen got a sack, he would steal the cow and tie him up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I just get ready to say Jared Allen. Remember every time Jared Allen got a sack, he would steal the cow and tie him up?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would just get ready to say. Kansas City and Minnesota. I think he played one year in Carolina, too. But that's where he cut. That's where he made a name for himself with Kansas City and Minnesota. But. Well, look, I just want I want Devontae to get somewhere where he can, you know, play

out his last because what he got two more years left on that contract. He's in the third year of a five year deal. Right. So he needs to get somewhere. And obviously, he's going, you know, look for what Shepter is reporting. It looks like. The Jets and listen, it needs to happen sooner than later, too. Yeah, it needs to happen sooner than later.

On the most recent podcast, Michael Parsons said he thinks the Jets is where Devontae is going to land. I think that relationship with the J Jess is going to come to life. Michael said that Devontae brings a winning culture after predicting that he would head to New York. Yeah, I like it. It makes the most sense. I mean, it just it just makes the most sense.

If it's if it's another team outside of that, to me, I mean, it just I just I don't I don't understand it. I wouldn't understand it. I wouldn't understand it. But the fact that it got out, Ocho, that he wants out, he he's brought down. He suppressed his value because I know you got to get rid of him. See, Ocho, anything I know you're trying to say, I ain't going to give you. I'm not going to give you market price for it because I know you got to get rid of it because you know why I know you got to get rid of it because he wants out

and he'll cause you problem if he doesn't get out not publicly not going to do anything. But remember, and I told you off the air, I said, I believe AP was talking about Devontae Adams when he said guys are making business decisions and we will make business decision moving forward. Right. I believe I could be totally wrong, but I believe that's what he was talking about.

Yeah, I'm not sure. Ain't no telling because I wasn't able to see the film. I think if I was able to see the film, I'd be able to tell you exactly who was making those business decisions. And and what would that happen? The tweet. Devante Adams played his last game.

Somebody that either runs his account or AP like that tweet. Oh, that's right. That's right. I know somebody I know somebody. Yeah, yeah. I remember that. I remember that. Because if somebody says if somebody says something about. Ocho and somebody from rail account like that tweet. You're like, hold on. Rail you like that?

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Head Coach Kevin Stefanski maintains that one in four Browns are sticking with Deshaun Watson as his starting quarterback. When asked, is there an exclusively Stefanski decision to stick with the Sean Watson? He said, I understand the question. As you guys know, I make decisions for our football team, but I obviously consult with GM Andrew Barry and I obviously talk to Andrew about everything we do. I talk to ownership about everything we do. That's how we operate.

Oh, Joe, do you think this is Kevin Stefanski's decision alone? No, absolutely not. You know, the decision is being made from upstairs. The decision is being made by the person in the position of power, regardless of what Stefanski wants to do. James Winston is a phenomenal quarterback. He's a phenomenal quarterback. I'm not I think if he was to go in, James Winston is a phenomenal quarterback. He's a phenomenal quarterback.

I think if he was to go in, it would be some of the offensive resurgence because of just what he brings to the table and who he is. But Tefansi doesn't have any power. I mean, he knows that and he has to say all the right things. He has to say all the right things in front of camera. Is this what he really wants to do? Probably not. But the owners and those in a position of power up upstairs that went and gave the Sean the money in which they felt it was going to pay dividends, it just hasn't worked out for the better for them. You have to stick with your quarterback. You have to get. Oh Joe, they added $90 million to the contract and he haven't even got to the extension that Houston gave

him the year before. Yeah, right. They added that when they didn't have to. That's how bad they needed the quarterback, Unc. But they needed a quarterback in the great understanding. Think about, look at the commanders. Look at the commanders. You get a quarterback, it changes your entire franchise around. They were four and 12 last year. Yep. They got four wins right now. In one season, your entire franchise has changed around because of the quarterback play.

Yep. Understanding what Deshaun Watson was his last year in Houston, that Cleveland Browns are looking, if you look at all the quarterbacks they've been through, how many years of trying to find that guy, well hell, I mean, you have to understand why they did what they did. Look how long they've been searching. You mean to tell me Deshaun Watson's available and based on what he was able to do and Houston was not that much talent around him. We was considered a top three quarterback at the time. You think we not gonna throw 20, 30 million guaranteed at him. You

got damn right. Well, we had never seen a quarterback at this age come to the market without a career threatened injury. We saw Drew Reed, we saw Peyton Manning, we said Tom Brady in year 20. But we had never seen a quarterback that was 24, 25 years of age become a free agent, become to the trade market because they're so valuable. Those guys just don't become available.

We've seen top players at every other position become available. We've never seen that guy. I'm saying, I'm not saying Deshaun, but I'm saying a quarterback of his caliber at his age with no career. Look, yes, he's had two ACLs, but ACLs is not career in career threatening. I think he toured ACL his first year. Actually, his first year is rookie year because he toured in college and then he toured again in NFL But we saw Drew Brees Drew Brees had a career in or what did many believe that was a career ending shoulder injury He was available Peyton had a career ending neck injury. That's why he was available Tom Brady was a year 20 So we're talking about a guy that was

what 40 40 plus years of age. So that's why they were able to become available. But we had never seen nobody in the absolute plan 24 25 years of age become available. So you're absolutely right. You damn right team. And there were several teams in the bid. But at the price like, well, we need you to ask some money. You know, Atlanta stepped out because he's from the Atlanta area. He grew up in Gainesville, which is about an hour away. I think maybe New Orleans,

there are a couple of teams that was, but ended up Cleveland. The Browns are currently 30th in point score and 32nd in total yards. Deshawn has completed 60.2% of his passes, 852 yards, five touchdowns, three interceptions, while taking a league high 26 sacks. Deshaun is on pace to break the dubious record, most sack in the season.

88 in 17 games, that would break the record set by David Carr expansion, Houston, Texas, Carr was 76 times that year. And it's been the record ever since. And we knew what we know what that did to David Carr mentally. Watson has lost one hundred and fifty four yards on his sack. If he continue that this current pace, he will finish the season having lost five hundred and twenty four yards on his sack. If he continues at this current pace, he will finish the season,

having lost 524 yards on sack. The record is 489 set by Randall Cunningham in 1986. Damn man. That's, that's, I mean, I'm not surprised that he gets sacked a lot. Oh Joe, I'm really not because if you go back and look at the most sack quarterbacks, they're the most mobile. Michael Vick, John Elway, Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, Sean Watson quarterbacks that are mobile.

Cause guess what happens? They run away from one thing and run themselves into trouble. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny how that works. Cause you would think a non mobile quarterbacks would get sacked more. You're right. Oh, man, the Buffalo Bills are coming off

the two worst games of the Joe Brady era, and Josh Allen had one of his worst games of his NFL career in week five against the Houston Texans going nine of 30 through the era. Despite the struggles, the small losing street off of the coordinator Joe Brady isn't worried even if fans are. We believe in who we are. We believe in this unit. We believe in the guy throwing the football.

It's just not words, it's belief. The sky hasn't fallen. And now it's time for money moves presented by Draft Kings. Despite their struggles, the Bills still have the third best odds in the AFC to win the AFC. The Chiefs are plus 220. The Ravens are plus 300. The Bills are plus 425 ahead of the Texans who just beat them. Ocho, do you believe the sky's falling on the bills?

No, I wouldn't say the sky's falling because any, anytime you have a quarterback like Josh Allen, you always have a chance. You always have a chance. Now, if Josh Allen's Achilles heel has always been a turnovers, if you can minimize the turnovers and somewhat continue to facilitate the ball. And this officer coordinator doesn't put him in harm's way through where he has to play Superman.

If he has to put that cape on, mistakes are going to be made. If he has to put that cape on and do everything himself, mistakes are gonna be made. It's gonna happen because that pressure, when you have pressure like that it busts pipes Oh, it busts pipes. So the players around him gonna have to step up, especially the receivers They got to get Keon Coleman involved a little bit more They got they got to get involved Shakira be back at some point. What?

I'm not sure how long Shakira is out, but they got to give them they got to get involved. They have to But they can't have him playing Superman he can't be a savior you are you're a Ocho you're in a tie ball game Tie ball game. Yeah, you own your own one two yard line. Oh, that's horrible clock management Why would you throw the ball three straight times and stop the clock? That was horrible clock management Run at least one time But then you also got to be careful. You got to be careful.

Because what's the first thing the defense think you're doing when you're on the one yard line, running the ball? Good. That way I want time to go off the clock. You need to stop the clock. Safety? What happened? Hey, quarterback, put him up on the back here

on that safety. Quarterback sneak. Right. Oh, okay. Okay. The one thing that you don't want to happen is stop the clock. Fuck, yeah. Because unless the guy uncorks a 70, 80 yarder, oh, Joe, he will get that ball at the 50. You get a first down with the way these kickers are kicking the ball now.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a field goal. Yeah. Oh Oh yeah. That's a field goal. Yeah. Oh yeah. The Bills are the only team. Oh, I want you to listen to this. The Bills are the only team in the last 45 years to be tied or leading in the final minutes of a game

inside their own five yard line to throw the ball three straight times. That's, think about what I just said. The Buffalo Bills are the only team in the last 45 years to be tied or leading in the final minute of the game inside their own five yard line and throw three straight passes. That's how ridiculous, asinine, utterly insane what they did.

It's been 45 years. Yeah. Hey, matter of fact, you see what Joe Brady did? You see what Joe Brady did? When Josh Allen backed up all the way on the one yard line, throwing the ball three times.. What about shotgun? Yeah, even in shotgun. Yeah That's what the goddamn bangles should have done when they had that goddamn ball in overtime when they got that ball. Oh, yeah Well, yeah, but not on the side your own five

I'm just saying but I mean that you see the difference. I Mean one situation you run the ball three times. Then another situation. Hell, you should have been in the gun doing what worked for you the entirety of the game, but you just don't do it. I mean, yeah, I don't even feel like getting mad all over again about my bangles, but it's all good. The commander's quarterback, Jayden Daniels has exceeded expectations to

begin his rookie season, including those from his own teammate, Terry McClory talked about the quarterback's hot start with Albert Brea saying, I did not anticipate him coming in and hitting the ground running like that. I played with a few quarterbacks and definitely a few rookies. Um, sometimes it takes some time to get comfortable in an NFL system, not just that practice. Then you go into the game and it's a different animal. What's, uh, what's always encouraged me about him is his ability to get better every day in practice.

When we would have a so-so practice, the next day he would not make the same mistakes twice. Same thing in joint practice. Then you get into the game and you see him getting better each and every week. I think it's a testament to the experience that he had in college, but it's also his preparation he puts in. That dude works so hard, he's always prepared. Yeah. I think it also has to do with where he came, where he came, what school he came, what school he's coming from. Being under the big lights, being at LSU, used to the large crowds, coming from a college team that is preparing you for the next

level anyway. So all you had to do was do just that, hit the ground running based on everything you've taken from there, everything you've learned since your adolescence, since you've been playing quarterback. You come on to the NFL, you put the right people around you. If you're in the right situation, you get what you're getting from Jane Daniels at such early age, even as I mean, such early age, at such early time, even as a rookie, but he had 55 starts. So Joe, do you know how many starts that he has in college? Yeah, that's a good thing. That's why I look college quarterbacks.

They'll red shirt play two years. They go. Yeah. That's why I look, let's just say, if you play for the national championship, you're probably playing 14 to 15 games. Obviously he didn't play for the national championship. So he's playing it. Basically he's been a starter every, every since he walked into college.

Yeah. To get that many starts. Yeah. So it's extremely impressive. To get that many starts. Yeah Yeah, so It's extremely impressive It goes to show you the work that he's putting in Daniels and completing 77.1 percent of his passes the highest among all set starting quarterback

He said a single-game rookie completion record during week Washington's reap three win over the Bengals Connected on ninety one.3% of his throws. Young boy looked like he'd been there before, man. That's the only way him and him and him and CJ shroud. They look like they've been there before. They do. And if you can believe this, he's playing better than CJ did last year. Cause CJ didn't pick up his play to like week three, week four, week five.

This joker came out the gate on fire. Gerard Mayo had a noticeably different tone about his quarterback room after week five. Many have wondered if when he'll make the change from veteran quarterback Jacobi Brissette to rookie Drake May. Last week, when Mayo was asked about the possibility of quarterback change, he said, Jacobi is 100% our starter. Yeah. Today, he said, every single day we're all being evaluated and it's no different.

Now the Patriots have fallen a one and four on the season after dropping their fourth consecutive game on Sunday in the loss to Miami, the New England Buster, just 10 points while Jacobi Brissette completed 18 or 34 passes, 160 yards. Oh Joe is it in the words of Sam cook is a change going to come. I would hope not. I would hope not going to Jacobi Brissette. Can't get it done as a veteran. Don't put your rookie quarterback out there. Don't put your rookie quarterback out there.

Don't put your rookie quarterback out there like things are going to miraculously change just because he's at the helm. He's a rookie. He's a rookie for a reason. Now, T.J. Shroud, different. Jane Daniels, different. Understand what they have around them to make that offense go. Hell, if you change some of the weaponry for Jacoby Brissette, I'm sure things will be different. You're wanting for you wanting for, for a reason. You're wanting for, for a reason. And I don't think changing to a rookie as your quarterback and going to change much

anything. Let them make some experience. Oh, Joe, you, I was just gonna say that. Now you might want to stick them out there. Get them that experience, but you know what happened with the experience too. You know what else could happen to him? What? You're going to take some bumps. But like you say, you don't learn nothing from the bench.

Yes. But one thing about it, if you're going to take those bumps, you got to leave them in there. You got, you got it. Once you make that change. Oh yeah. Once you, once you, once you go to a Drake mate, he's quarterback quarterback for the rest of the year.

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