Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chiefs take down Falcons, Ravens expose Cowboys, Saquon Barkley 2 TD day

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson discuss Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs moving to 3-0 with a win over the Falcons. Later, Unc and Ocho dive into Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson exposing the Dallas Cowboys, question the Eagles game plan despite Saquon Barkley's 2 TD day and much more!03:18 - SHOW STARTS04:50 - Chiefs beat Falcons16:00 - Ravens beat Cowboys33:17 - Eagles beat Saints42:11 - Vikings beat Texans51:30 - Panthers beat Raiders59:00 - Rams beat 49ers01:01:50 - Bears beat Colts(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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they get a stop on a four down Al Jarre couldn't barge his way through on 31. So the Falcons have to go more than fourth at inches and be John Robinson, the ball carrier. And here it is, Ocho. They covered up all the blockers and they say Nick Bolton, you got to make a play. B John Robinson, you either got to run him over or you got to make him miss. He didn't either. And the chiefs get the ball. Yeah.

But listen, Bolton Bolton scrape better than the goddamn goddamn butter knife. He scraped field that whole right away. So there was really nothing for B John Robin to be able to do in that instance. But one I'm questioning the play call and fourth and inches. If they got the, they got the box stack, right? Yeah Covered right? Yeah, so what's the first thing you do you do something? Outside of the tenets is on what you would normally run on a fourth and inches, man I'm I'm play action faking it out the belly and got the tight end

Maybe coming out the backside of doing something different as opposed to what they think you're gonna do a fourth and inches They think you know, you're gonna run the ball Do the complete opposite. Surprise them. Yeah. If you're going to go for it, if you're going to go for it, throw the whole deck out. Throw the whole kitchen sink out. Do something different in that scenario. I mean Spags knew he had the right play call and Bolton made a hell of a goddamn play. I think in that situation Ocho, you go with what you, because if they throw that ball on fourth and inches, what are you going to say? Right? Man, you got Bjar Robinson. You

took a top 10 pick. You got Alja right there in the backfield. Okay, well you ran the ball. You got a top you got a top 10 pick. You ran the ball and you still got stopped. Okay. Okay. You got to give the defense some credit. Spags did a great job of covering everybody up. When you cover all the blockers up, somebody's gonna be free. Now you tell your man, because he ain't no block, he's unblocked, you either gotta run him over

or you gotta make him miss. Those are your only two options because now you've taken all your skills, your wide receivers are off the field. You brought in big personnel. So they know you're gonna run the ball. And if we can't, look, first of all, if we can't get an inch, hell, we don't deserve to win the game. Oh, Joe.

All you got to do is stick it on that. That's it. But did you hear what you just said? Yeah. Listen, the game of football is all about mind games is a game of chess between the two coordinators. Now you just said they bought big personnel in. Yeah. When you bring big personnel in, what's the first thing? What's the first thought? Okay. You know what? They run the ball coordinators. Now you just said they bought big personnel in. When you bring big personnel in, what's the first thing was the first thought. Okay. You know what they run in the ball. Yeah.

Hello. Common sense. The first thing trickery, bringing big personnel, play action, fake, do something different than what they expect you to do to surprise them and catch them off guard. I guarantee you got the first and they also missed the past interference in the end zone. I'm going to ask you what you thought about the pass interference chat.

Kyle Pitts in end zone. That was supposed to be passing interference because he's all over Pitts before the ball even gets there and then turn around and look for the ball. Right. That should have been, that should have been a flag. Yeah. Yeah. I just think the chief spoke, look, the cheese is going to have to do a better job once they get in the red zone, Ocho of scoring touchdowns and not kicking field goals. That almost cost them again because you see they're getting down there, they're getting down there. I mean,

they had it first and goal set up for a field goal. They had it like on the 15 or the 10 yard line and set up for a field goal. Eventually that catches up with you. Kicking field goals loses you ball game, touchdown wins you game. They were very, very fortunate tonight to win this ball game. Like I said, Cousins is so hampered by his. He's never been mobile. So you imagine it's kind of like Marino when Marino told his Achilles. Marino was never mobile. But once he once he tore it, what do you really think he's going now?

And you see how hard it is for him to run that stretch play. Oh, Joe is all he got. And he's thinking about it so much. hard it is for him to run that stretch play. Ocho is all he got. Yeah. And he's thinking about it so much. He almost bobbled a ball. He almost fumbled one trying to get out there to stretch and Bija did a great job of scooping it off the turf with one hand, but it's really difficult. Spag did a great job of putting pressure on him, knowing that he's not going

anywhere. Where is he going to go? Yeah. He's never been mobile. He's never been the most athletic quarterback. He could, you know, get a first down here and there. But now tonight, I thought the chief defense has been playing unbelievable. You have to give those guys credit.

Oh, Joe, you have to give them credit. They've been playing unbelievable. Andy Reed is doing a great job of manufacturing because think about it. He's without Hollywood. He loses a Pacheco. And so now he's just trying to find ways. Rashid Rice did a great job. Twelve for a buck, 10. But nobody else.

Kelsey, four for 30 on five targets. Juju, two for 17. But he had a big touchdown. 13 yard touchdown. Worthy. So really nobody. But again, you see what they're doing. It's very balanced. 39 pass attempts, 33 rush attempts.

Now you see the balance. Yeah. And you know, you know, what's funny when I think about it, I mean, I know we talking about the chiefs. I'm thinking about the opportunities that the Falcons had to close the game at the end, at the end, when they had the ball, the last year they had the ball,

Spags, man, the man on the end, at the end, when they had the ball, the last year they had the ball, Spags, man, the man on the backside, Drake, London, six, four, six, five, whatever may be. Put the ball in reach. That's touchdown. Right. That's touchdown. He slipped in. Listen, the corner playing hard outside. Yeah. He slips up. Yeah. And Kirk Cousins, those are ball short. Not only does it throw the ball short, he throws it far inside. Yeah. You put a little bit more touch on that. The game is over. You win. Yeah. You say it all the time. The game is about moments, making plays at the right time, making throws at the right time, making catches at the right time.

It changes the trajectory of the game and that right there, they he makes that throw the Falcons win the game. They get that passing appearance and end zone. They win the game. Well, they still I mean, you don't get Patrick Holmes. What he has, I think he had two to three timeouts and the ball back. So all they need is a field goal, let you go for two and get back. So now you're 25, 22, a field goal only ties you.

They need to touch down to beat you. Yeah, that was a great release by London. That's a young corner over there. and he knows he can't give up. He can't give up an outside release. So he's playing hard outside. Uh, London stabs him outside releases inside and did a great job. Did a great job. And he started widening.

Hey, I got you in a trail. I'm gonna keep your ass in a trail position. Right. And I don't know if Kurt thought he was going to stay where he was and not, you know, because your job is with you release inside. I've got to get back on my point because I got to be 42 and four. I got to be four yards from the sideline. That's where the ball's coming. Plus I got a headache inside that's in the center field. So I'm trying to get away from him as far away as I can

cause that's problems. So look, if either you or I have the luxury of sitting up here against hindsight and guessing, and we do see a lot of things that maybe they should have done differently or they could have done differently. I'm not so sure I do anything Atlanta. If you really look at Ocho, B, VJ Robbler has 16 carats for 31 yards. Al Jir has seven carats for 32 yards.

So it wasn't like they were getting a whole lot running the football. I think they tried to run the football. You got to keep them on this, knowing that you don't have a quarterback that doesn't have that has limited mobility. So I've got to keep you honest. I think this chief run the ball because they're trying to protect that offensive line. We got to get some play action because if we just drop back and let them tee off on us, that's that's bad for us.

But the Chiefs go on the road. They want a very tough ball game. Twenty two seventeen over the Atlanta Falcons. But I still think the Falcons are a good team, Mocho. I think they're a good team. I think the defense is young. But they are offensively. I think they're a good team. I think the defense is young. But they are offensively. I think they're going to be OK. I really do. I like this.

I like Drake London. I like Mooney. They got two backs, one power, one speed. They just. They got to find a way to stop kicking field goals, stop her, because they go down the field and then they'll go three, four, five possessions where they do absolutely nothing. But you know, the closer you get to the red zone, the more difficult it is to score unless you score from far out.

Now once you figure those issues out, I think they're going to be fine. On the defense end, listen, they got them two young boys back there, man. Second team, all pros last year paired together and Simmons and Bates, they got, they're going to be fine. AJ Terrell is playing good football. Obviously, you know, people say, oh, he's getting burnt. Listen, every DB gets beat. Yeah, that's part of the game. Yeah. And, you know, from the Falcons going to be all right.

They're going to be right. They competed tonight. They competed tonight against the Super Bowl champs from last year. And if you can play that against them, the plays that you missed, those moments that you miss, you capitalize on those. We have a different story tonight. We have a completely different story tonight on who won the game. They've got to find ways to win these home games. They go on the road last week.

Oh, Joe, remember was that Monday night and they beat Philly in Philly. They lose at home to Pittsburgh. They lose at home to Kansas City. These are the games that you got to win and give yourself some confidence because they could easily be three and oh, they could easily be oh and three, but you've got to find a way to win these one possession games more times than not. So right now they're one and two in one possession game. I think it was a one position game.

Maybe Pittsburgh kicked a late field goal to made it a two possession game. But if I'm not mistaken, I think it was at one point, it was a one possession game late in the ball game with the Steelers and the Falcons, the first game of the season. But, uh, give the chief credit. They find a way to go on the road and win Patrick Mahomes, 26 and 39 to 17 to touchdown. If you go back and look at my home, it's not like he's playing great. Oh Joe, he'scho. He's missing some throws. He's missing throws. He had rice on a shallow and he throws it back here.

People don't realize how hard it is to catch a ball when you run it full speed one way. The opposite way in the ball behind you. That's hard, that's hard. I'm just, you know, somebody that caught football for a living, that's a very hard, that's a very hard throw, a very hard catch to make. But he lost it.

The ball is on the Justin Simmons because he was lazy. He stared it down. Yeah, Justin Simmons was on the far hash center watching his eyes, watching his eyes. And you see that all the time. He's like, oh, oh, but that that's something that some of my homes can work on. It's something that he can probably do extremely well is you get that snap out of gun or from under center and stare right down the barrel.

Yes. Stare right, stare right down the barrel. The whole event. Yeah. And hold him a little bit then, then throw the ball. But I mean, obviously my homes want to have his eye on the target. So we know when to let it go, but it gives it, it gives us safety. A key to let them know where But it gives it gives a safety key

to let him know where you're going with the ball. Yep. You're right. So chiefs hold on for victory. They moved to three and all the Falcons lose twenty two seventeen. They fall to one and two, lost two games at home, which is not good. But they got a nice roster. I love the work Rahim is doing, and hopefully they can find a way to win

one of these one possession ball games. Oh, Joe, the Ravens go on the road. Jordan is the Ravens go on the road. Survivor late. From the car. Boy, that was a good game. But the Ravens go on the road. Survivor late scare from the Cowboys to secure their first win of the season.

Dallas lost his second straight home game to fall to one and two, and has some issues to work out on the different side of the football. The Cowboys have allowed five hundred and fifty seven yards. Rushing are the most that a friend that most through that franchise's history through three games since 1963. Derrick Henry ran one hundred and fifty one yards on twenty five carries and two touchdowns.

Henry has his 12th career game with 150 plus Russian yards and two plus, uh, two plus Russian touchdowns. Tied for the second most in NFL tie with LaDani and Thomason, one behind the legendary great Jim Brown. Henry told James Slater, he was looking forward to this one after wanting to play for Dallas. He lives, he trains in Dallas in the off season. After the game, Jerry Jones was asked about upgrading the roster. He says he doesn't think that's an issue. I like our personnel. Jerry is delusional when asked

specifically about not going after Derek Henry this off season. We couldn't afford Derek Henry. Jerry, you know that unfortunately, Jerry, that isn't true. But here's the problem. Oh Joe. And it's rare in his head again. After building up a big lead, Baltimore was up by 22 and they almost gave it away. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, the Cowboys have some things they need to fix on the deepest end of the ball. Now the formula is out there. And teams are watching. What you mean is that. Okay, it is, it's out there.

But teams are watching the game, and how do we beat or get a head on the Cowboys? You run the ball. Yep. Not only do you run the ball, you run the ball right downhill, right through their throat. You don't need no tricks, no motion, no nothing.

Put a hat on a hat and run the ball. Yep. Run the ball left, run the ball right. Stretch left, stretch right. It easy, easy formula until they find a way until Coach Zimmer finds a way to clog up that middle. They gonna have to. Oh Joe, I made a simple suggestion.

Put Derek Henry in the eye, either solo or with a full back. He's not a zone read guy. He doesn't need to be even with the quarterback. Put him in the back. He's an old school eye back. Put it when you see what they did, when they started putting him in the eye and you put that record in front of him, you see what happened? Yeah. He all of a sudden is 10 is 12 is 15.

That's how you have to use it. The reason why you got Jared Henry, Derek Henry was not a zone read guy in Tennessee. He won office the player of the year. He rushed for 2000 yards. Dot the eye. If you want the guy to have success like he had where you got him from, you've got to use him in the way that he was used. What made you fall in love with him to bring him into your fold? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, that's an officer coordinator. That's an officer coordinator. And I don't think what they don't, what they don't want to do is they don't

want to go away from what they're used to. They don't want to go away from what makes Lamar Jackson comfortable. What makes Lamar Jackson comfortable is having a goddamn running back on his left hip or his right. Yes. Now you have to understand you got to manipulate things a little bit and play to the strengths of your players. Like you just said, if you know the strength of what Derek Henry does is based on the eye and having a goddamn full back in front of them. Boom. Have some packages where you do just that to make him comfortable,

where he can play at his best and then have some, some packages or change or take dairy Henry out and have some different in there. But your other running back where you can hit with the market being the shotgun and have a running back on his left hip or his right hip, you know, for the RPO play action, whatever, whatever you want to do, you want to give it to him. You want to you want to keep it, whatever, whatever, whatever it may be. But the scary thing about it is, is when God damn Derek Henry

is on that right here, but I left here and he put that ball in his belly. They got react in nine times out of 10. They got react the way over 22 is going to play a LeBar because I don't believe I don't believe Derek Henry can hurt me from that formation. I don't believe it. Look, look, look what happened at the end of the game. Yeah. On the last to seal it when the mark kept it. He might.

But if I'm not mistaken, I don't think D Henry was in the game. I thought I think 43 who's 43 Hill. I think just as he was in the game. I think so. I took on that last one. He kept it and got the first down. Yeah. Yeah. OK. OK. OK. Yeah. OK. But if you see what blew the game open, 45 rush attempts, 274 yards.

The only thing I'm surprised about, I thought Lamar Jackson would get 100 yards off. So I knew Derek Henry was going give it because they will go give him enough carry So he could get a hundred and if I can't rush for it when everybody else is rushed for a hundred is like, oh no You is like you watching game tape and you see everybody else towards in that corner. Hey coach Hey, he don't gave up three. He don't gave up four robbers. He was in a row. I got a hundred yards Yeah, hey, don't let him come in here, but let us bail his ass out Let's make it five. Yeah.

Give Derrick, listen, John Hardball, look, you coached and been in the league longer than I have. But don't let your pride get in your way. Derrick Henry is a workhorse back. And the more you give him the ball, the better he's going to get. Now I get, it's hard and fast. Oh, it's hard to build a big lead like that and keep it because you tell your coordinates, okay, let's not do anything. So you get ultra conservative and what

happens is you get a couple of three and outs and the, the off the, the polling team, offense comes on the field and all of a sudden they string together a couple of 10, 12 play drives. Now you go another three out your defense tire. Your defense is tired. Yeah. The onside kick they fly. You got to understand that bro. When that ball squib it like that, you can't get it from the side. You got to ship do what you did the next time you see what he did. He got his body all the way over there. Listen, it's like playing baseball. It's like playing, if you're a shortstop on those, get your body, get your body in front of the ball. Right.

So it can't get, can't get trying to pick it up from the side and you know, trying to get cute with it. Not that because it's like a top, it's spinning like this. Exactly. It is not going to take, see normally Ocho, everybody used to kick it and they expected it to take that bounce. Take that bounce, yeah. They don't even do that.

It ain't going to take no bounce. In the bounce. Yeah. They didn't do that. They go take no bounce. It's going to keep spinning like a cop. And so, yeah, you know, you see how shiny that ball was. That's not a ball that they rough up. Then kicking balls are different than the balls they actually play with. The ball they play with, they let you rough them up. They let you practice with them and you give them to. Those are different type of balls.

Yeah, but I love I love the ra, the, the Ravens, the way they, I thought they could rush, I thought they were that rush for at least two 50, they got two 74. So I'm not surprised by that. Go back and look at the Cowboys history over the last five to six years. Look at the game they've lost and look at the teams that run the football. This is not the first time the Ravens played them a couple of years ago and ran for damn near 300 Cleveland ran for 300. Arizona ran for damn near 300.

The Packers, the 49ers, that's their Achilles heel. They ain't got got see the Cowboys are built to play with a lead. That's why you got those edge rushers. You get Michael screaming off the edge. Now, when you got a hole, you got something other to think about then running your ass up the field Now you see Lamar Jackson zero sacks They threw the ball 15 to make this think about this an NFL MVP two times

Through the ball 15 times You know why he threw it 15 times? Because you couldn't make him throw it. You couldn't take the ball out of Derrick Henry's belly. You couldn't take the ball out of Lamar Jackson's belly. So guess what? I ain't throwing it. Lamar Jackson, hey, don't worry about it.

Run it again. Hey, John Harbaugh's on the sideline, run it again. They running the ball, you know they gonna run it. I know they gonna run it. You know they gonna run it. Everybody in AT&T know they gonna run it. It seems like everybody knew except the Cowboys defense, cause every time D. Henry getting tween,

he getting 12, Justin Hill getting six. I'm like, bro, what y'all doing? It is, listen, it's funny. It's one thing to know it's coming, but it's a whole nother ballgame to be able to stop it. That's the thing. The whole nother is whole nother ballgame to be able to stop it. That's why it is so demoralizing because I know I know with somebody tell you, okay.

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And the Cowboys could not stop it. That's crazy. I wish the game would have been closed so they could have still had some some creativity Instead of just putting the ball off and not and and and and allowing the Cowboys to hunker down Because when they have some creativity they couldn't do anything when they would drag when they would bring in they fly with the basement Across or they was tossing it Cowboys had no answer D. Henry started flying Stephanie and he started using that for Be good off me. Yeah We got a nasty stiff man. Oh yeah. I mean, yeah. And he wanted to play for the Cowboys. He's like, bro, I ain't even got a move.

I live in Dallas. I'm in my backyard. What was Jerry Jones excuse for not going after Jerry said he didn't, they didn't need him. They, you know, this is $8 million was too much, but you gave me three million. So would you rather have Zeke, Dydell, Deuce Bond, or would you rather have Derek Henry? Kat, what y'all think of Cowboy fans? What would you rather have? You know what? You know what I think about what Derek Henry and his style of play fit

the Cowboys offense? How about that? Let's let's look at it from that point of view. What do you think? He don't fit it. The I bet the I back formation that he plays well out of. He don't fit Baltimore's office, but you got to make some concessions to maximize it because the biggest mistake people make in free agency, Ocho, they love a guy. They love a guy that played in a 43. Now all of a sudden you get him and you try to play him in a 34.

You like a guy, you play a guy that he's mainly a zone corner and now you get him to try to play man. Larry Brown was a prime example. Larry Brown was a quarter's corner. Played well in the Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP. He go to the Raiders. Raiders are straight man across the board. Man to man, safety in the middle of the field.

One year he was gone. So if you fall in love with somebody, if you're in free agency and you're like, I like that guy, you better be willing to use him like he was used where you found him. Because if you don't, you're doing him a disservice and fans are going to say you're a bus. No, he's not a bus. He's not being used the way he was used before.

And so that's on coaching. That's on the organization. Derek Henry is not a zone back. He's an eye back. He's a Bo Jackson. He's a Hershel Walker. He's a Reggie Bush type of guy. Well, you toss it to him, Ocho.

And you say, say son pick your hole Works really good with a food full back. You see what it put 42 required in there leading the way Yeah, okay I'm going one way or another a wherever you go. If you kick him out, I'm going in if you're painting me I'm going out man. I'm going out. Yeah, that's what he is I mean, it's not it's not rocket science, but you have to look at what Derrick Henry is. What was Derrick Henry at Alabama? Eye back.

What was Derrick Henry at that little school in Jacksonville? An eye back. That's what he, oh Joe, the man is 6'2 1 2 2 45. You know damn well that man ain't no zone really running back. And he a long strider. Oh yeah, oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, oh, and if the Ravens look good running the football,

but they got to do it because the teams look at the Ravens like, hey, guys, no matter how far we get down, they're going to give us a chance to get back in the game. Right. Teams feel that way, Ocho. They feel that way. They could they could easily be they could easily be undefeated. They could even lost this game, too.

Yeah. So they got some things that they need to to to to work on, but they got time. Mm hmm. I mean, I think you guys, you got, you got, you got contained. Oh Joe, if you got contained, you can't let the back bounce outside. Trayvon Dick, they did a great job. They like, Hey, we're going to clog it up. We're going to force the running back to bounce when he bound the corners right there, you got contained.

You got to get him on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny. It's the same issues from last year. So you would hope you fix those issues, but the same issues from last year, they just picking up where they left off. Yep.

Allowing them to do exactly what their Achilles heel was last year, this year. So I'm not sure, you know, knowing Mike Zimmer, you know, having him when I was, when I was in Cincinnati, I'm sure he's going to do everything he can to rectify the situation. I mean, the defense that he runs is the defense that he runs. The personnel that he has is the personnel that he has. And maybe it just doesn't match well when it comes to team that teams that come in are choosing to run the ball straight down here. Yeah, but that's the thing.

If you get a lead and you get them on that turf where they can pin their ears back and they got to play the run. Oh, you good. But if you got to sit there and catch And they go and you know the Ravens they just want to keep hammering and can't have keep hammering you and keep hammering you And the next thing you know, hey, guess what? They'll slide somebody hit him in the flat or Lamar keep it Right. See I thought on the play before when Derek Henry picked up eight yards, I say, come back and fake it. Let Lamar keep it.

Or if he hits that throw to Mark Andrews, the ball game is over. Those are the plays, Ocho. That's the difference. If Lamar can ever get those, because you know it's going to come like, they ain't getting the ball back. They hot right now. I need to make sure I run about another three to five minutes off this clock because my defense is what my defense is really because you see that could go up and down the field up and down the field. So now it's my job as Lamar as the leader, as the captain, as your best player. I got it. Got it. Got it.

But I'm not surprised by this. I thought they would do, I thought the Ravens would run the football at will. I thought, I thought the game would, I thought they'd win by at least a touchdown. They probably should have won by more than a touchdown, but they hang on to win at the end of the day. You got to win, but they got to do something by holding these leads because that's a lot of blown leads a lot of them. They lost This one they were able to hold on to Ravens win 28 25 Go to one and two the Cowboys fall to one and two also the Eagles didn't score in the first three quarters

But still came back without their top two wide receivers and starting offensive linemen to seal the win Steal a win over the previously unstoppable New Orleans Saints. It's the first time the Eagles scored zero points in the first three quarters of a game and one since 2000. Jalen Hurts still struggling with turnovers, faced the third and 16 in the final minutes, hit tight, that tight end Dallas got it. I don't know what the hell does the Saints, the defense they were playing a completion set up, a fake ones, Barkley, go ahead, touchdown.

Philadelphia defensive line dominated the same soft offensive line. I told you the key for me when we've talked about it on Friday, on first take, I said, I thought Jaylen Carter, I think the defensive line, I think they need to win this game, not Jaylen Hurts. harassing Derek Carr all night, staffling the offense that put up 91 points in the first two games. Didn't even come close to that. Dallas Goddard had the most receiving yards

for a tight end in Eagles history with 170. Okay, what did you like about what you saw from the Eagles? Listen, not giving up, making the plays when it counted most. Obviously Goddard had a hell of a game, but I want to know what the New York Giants were thinking again. I hate, I hate to bring it up again. The Giants and letting brother Saquon go.

Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. Hey brother Saquon, they had 17 for 147 and two TD. Yeah. One of the reasons why the Eagles won the game today. No Devontae Smith, no H.J. Brown. Goddard had a great game, but who takes the pressure off Jaylen Hurts after the turnovers?

Number 26. Yeah, for sure. Who puts the team on their back offensively and takes the pressure off Jaylen Hurts? Number 26. It was a good game. They have to find a way. One, they get the two star players healthy. They got the date we need. We need we need a J Brown. Well, that's about we they need a J Brown and he Devante Smith healthy. There's no reason with a team like that. I offer the team like that to have zero points and three quarters of football in three quarters of football.

There's no way in hell at all. But listen, the Eagles defense, they play some good goddamn ball today. They dominated the same team that we saw last week against the Cowboys. The same team we saw against the Cowboys last week looked nothing like that today. Nowhere to be found. And that's in a testament to the defense. I don't know what, I don't know what they had to eat. I don't know what the Eagles defense had to eat, but they played some damn good ball today.

Did you see that interception that Hurst threw in the end zone, the honey badger picked off? Yeah. Ocho. Yeah. Oh Joe. Yeah. That's quarter. He's had a few errant throws like that the past, what two games in a row. Oh Joe. That's quarters.

First of all, honey badger knows they like he's supposed to come across his face. That's honey badger. He knows he's not going to let you cross his face and I'm not backing up anywhere because why I'm already at the back of the end zone. I his face. And I'm not backing up anywhere because why? I'm already at the back of the end zone. I'm coming forward. I'm not backing up. And it's like, well, he's supposed to cross his face.

That's a 160 pound man. Honey badger, that's not some rookie DB. That is honey badger. He knows the only place that I can get hurt is across my face. Yes, sir. When he Jalen Hurst stares him down, he takes off and it's the same thing to happen in the Super Bowl. Right.

Seattle. Let me let you cross my face, Malcolm Butler, and you see, he made a collision and boom, he knocked Lockett off because he gets the head start All I'm saying in that coverage at that area because honey badger is not going to retreat because he's already at the back of the end zone He knows where is no one to go. He knows the only place i'm vulnerable is across my face He can't go behind me because then he'll be out of the end zone. So where am I? See, when you're a student of the game, you understand where I'm weak and where I'm strong. I'm strong behind me. I'm weak in front of me. So what I'm not going to let you do is cross my face.

Face. Yeah. Oh man. That was AJ. Well, you have to understand, you can't call the same route for everybody just cause they can run the route. That's AJ Brown, AJ Brown 220. Okay, it's gonna be a collision. It might be an incomplete, but if you run that with 160 pound man, and honey badger, it's gonna be a pit. And you know what, that all come down to play calling.

Understanding your personnel, understanding your players strengths and understanding your players weaknesses. You don't put 160 pound player receiver in that situation knowing that the chances of him making that catch and crossing someone that's seen it over and over and over as a veteran at a veteran safety. You don't put you don, you don't put, you don't even call the play that, put them in that situation.

That comes down to play calling and understanding your personnel. That's it. That's all I'm saying, Ochoa. I'm just saying, look, that's quarter's coverage. Why you, and like you say, you know that's not AJ, a big receiver, a TO, a Megatron, a Julio Jones, one of the, a Brandonals, somebody that, okay,

is this going to be a collision and it's going to be incomplete, but it's not going to be an interception. Yeah. And you know, everybody you just named, you know, honey badges is small. All they're going to do is big body and get right in front of them. Right. But see, you get right in front of you You better look Honey Badger off because if Honey Badger, hey, you're not going to beat him to the point. Not if he's not if he rejoin. You see how he read Dak last week?

Yeah. And he beat CD to the point. If he think, oh, now you can get him with a double move. But if you double moving, where you going? Metarie, because you're going to be out in the stadium. He knows that. I ain't going nowhere. Oh, my, my right here. I'm going to drive forward. He beat him to the park.

He beat him to the punch. And then they're talking about the, did you see that, that, that hit on Devontae? Samir? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a dirty hit. That wasn't no dirty hit. He's still up.

Thank you. He's still up. Listen, as a receiver, if, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand a pursuit is coming from all different angles. And you don't need to know where he caught the ball. Danger is not that way. Danger is coming from back here. Them linemen. Yeah, exactly. Where you came from. And what? I don't know if they still do it,

but they used to hold his ass up. I'm coming. Hold him up. They trying to put as many hats on you as they possibly can. Oh, no, it's impossible. No. Bro, Devonte, I understand you tough,

but bro, you a buck 60. You ain't dragging nobody nowhere. All you gonna do is subject yourself to take unnecessary hits. That guy is 300 pounds, and he's coming at about 12 to 15 miles an hour. They got you up. He still too.

That's even worse. It's not a dirty hit. He gonna he gonna he gonna learn. That's you gotta make a business decision. You gotta give give yourself up. If you know they got you wrapped up and you ain't going nowhere, you gotta give yourself up. Know when the journey is over. You gotta know when the journey is over. Okay. Now, that's good. Man, he is so tough. Okay. Okay. Hey, them D linemen here, they different. They different than a DB here. Trust me.

They different way that through 290 to 80 300. That's different than 185 to 100. And they come in to put pain. So no, I didn't, I didn't believe that was a dirty hit. It's very unfortunate. I hope Devontae is okay, but that way I didn't, I didn't, I didn't see that as dirty. It wasn't nothing dirty about that. There was no, there was nothing, nothing dirty about that play. Oh Joe, he's still fighting.

Now if he gets out of there, then what coach will say, why you let up. fighting. Now if he gets out of there, then what coach will say, why you let up? So hopefully Devontae is okay. But, uh, uh, give the Eagles credit going on the road after heartbreaking loss last week to the Atlanta Falcons. They go on the road, beat the hottest team, that team that was playing the best. The saints had scored 91 points had run rough shot over two teams, hold them to 15, hold them to 12 points in their building and they win by the score of 15 to 12. Sam Darnold dominates the Texans.

34-7 through three weeks, the Vikings have been one of the league's best teams. They won on the road against the Giants. They defeated the NFC best 49ers in week two and now they beat the AFC's top, one of the AFC top squers in week two, and now they beat the AFC's top, one of the AFC top squads in week three. Their plus 55 margin of victory through three games is the second best in franchise history, only behind the 1975 team. Minnesota went four for five in the red zone. Darnal threw four touchdowns on the day. It's the first time in his career that he's thrown multiple touchdowns in three straight games. Today they jumped out into Texas and did let up. CJ Stroud threw for 215 yards, two interceptions,

one touchdown. And they struggled with Brian Flores' defense and without leading rusher, the running football, Joe Mixon, they were sitting ducks back there. Houston scored a season low, seven points, and the running backs had 11 carries for only 26 yards. In place of Mixon, Cam Ac Akers longest rush was nine yards.

This was the first time CJ, CJ look, look, he looked pedestrian. This is the worst, this is his worst game of the NFL. Now, obviously he's due to have one of these games, but Ryan Flores did a great job of confusing it. He did a great job of pressuring him. He did a great job of confusing it. He did a great job of pressuring him. He did a great job of disguising coverages and hopefully he gets another opportunity to be a head coach again. Cause you know, obviously, you know,

some things that happened in Miami with Tua. And I think everybody deserves a second chance because we've seen some coaches that get second, third chances. And so hopefully Brian Flores, with the job that he's doing this year at Minnesota, when a head coaching job comes available and they will come available Ocho, hopefully he's in line to get one of those jobs. But what did you

like about what you saw from Minnesota? Well, Sam Donnell. Sam Donnell. I don't listen, I don't know what happened when he was in Carolina. I don't know what happened when he was in San Francisco. But the Sam Donnell, I don't listen. I don't know what happened when he was in Carolina. I don't know what happened when he was in San Francisco, but the same dark, I don't know what happened when he was in New York, but the, the, what the, the resurgence and the confidence that he's displaying at the quarterback position and having the number one pick go down and him stepping in and looking like the savior for the Minnesota Vikings.

And they haven't missed a beat. They haven't missed a step offensively. Listen, he was 17 for 28, won it 181, full TDs today. Pick it up, right where they left off. I know Justin Jefferson is happy. I know, dog, people don't understand how important the quarterback position is for your success. If you have adequate play at the quarterback position, anything is possible. Anything is possible. And he's showing that despite the struggles that he's had early in his career on other teams, found the right situation and

look was look how it's showing up. Look, I perform and we get a week out, even though it's only week three. Well, listen, he's going to be, he's going to be due for a game that doesn't look like itself. Like, you know, so far unbelievable. Well, I think he's playing for another starting job somewhere else too. Now he's playing for another starting job. I think the problem that teams run into is that they want these quarterbacks to play early and they're not ready to play and you're ruining them.

Yeah. And that is like you draft the quarterback high. Well, he's got to play. What do they do? They clear the decks. They don't have any veteran guys in there. They don't have anybody that can challenge them. And they just, okay, here you go. And I think sometimes they'd be better served if they were six, six, eight, 10 games, maybe the entire season. But they wanted to play so soon. And if they're not ready and now you wreck the guy's confidence. Yeah. And that's, I think that's what happened with Sam Darnham. I'm not saying he's going to turn around and all of a sudden he's going to be Kurt Warner, you know, he's going to go be in a situation where he leaves a team

to the football and he's an M to time MVP, something like that. But I think he's a good quarterback. But I think sometimes they force these guys to play. And when they don't have much help around them and then this is what you get. And then everybody, well, he'll bust, he'll bust. No, you didn't put him in a situation where he could succeed. Mm hmm. And so everybody, you know, everybody wants the guy to come in. You know, he a high draft

pick and play right away and be good. Be a savior. Listen, I call it a savior because you got to understand if you had the number one pick, if you had the number two pick, you know, it's because, you know, collectively your team was bad the previous season. And you're not just a quarterback away. Yeah. Hey, listen, sometimes, but these young, these young fellas,

man, there's no development, you know, the transition from college to then to the pros, it can be difficult. It could be, it could be thrown out there to the sharks. And we've seen so many different examples of that. Now you have some, some anomalies like CJ shrank the way he played with year. No, you think there's some examples of people. Hey, a patch of my homes even had to sit a year behind goddamn Alex Smith. He did. Carson Palmer, who was my quarterback had to sit a year behind goddamn John Kiddner. But when they did get in there and play, boom.

Yeah. Give them an opportunity to set them up, set them up for success. It's OK if the guy doesn't play the opening day. And I know a lot of guys that I want to be the day one starter. Well, are you going to be ready to be the day one starter? Because it's not just about day one. It's about day one hundred and one day one thousand and one. Because they're not just getting you.

They don't just want you for one year. They hoping you a decade player or decade and a half player. That's what they're hoping. But at the NFL is all about confidence, especially that position. You have to believe you the baddest mofo out there. I don't care who out there on the field. I'm the baddest. And you got to have that mentality. Right. But.

But they did they did a number on Houston. I haven't seen Houston look like this in a very long time, Mocho. And I've been following, you know, I've been following for about last 16, 17 games, you know, last year coming up to this year. I this is the this is the worst I've seen their offense look They confused them they did a great job of getting out the CJ they picked him a couple of times It seemed like Brian Flores had him confused a couple of times There's no harm in that you do one of those games you have 16 17 if you go 16 17 games what I have it a dud

You're pretty good. That's what you have 16, 17. If you can go 16, 17 games, what I have in a dud, you're pretty good. That's what you have a pretty good career. If you could, if it averages out like that, you want for 16 as far as bad games. But, uh, give Minnesota credit. Minnesota might be better than I thought, considering that, you know, they lost JJ McCarthy, uh, Aaron Jones has been a godsend because they moved on from Ollie Madison. Remember they let Dalvin Cook go a couple of years ago. But Aaron Jones, he comes in 19 for a buck or two. He's great at catching the ball out of the backfield.

But Justin Jefferson and they don't even have Jordan Addison yet. Yeah. Remember he heard his name. Yeah. And when he come back, that makes them even that much more dangerous. That opens up the playbook even that much more. It's going to get scary. It's going to get scary.

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The Panthers, a game which you attended on the show, often looked much better with Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton threw three touchdowns in the first half, leading to a 21-7 halftime. The Panthers managed to put up more points in the first 30 minutes in Las Vegas than they did over the last two weeks combined. 13 Carolina's offense came to life with Dalton under center as he connected with eight different receivers.

Dalton finished the game 26 and 37, 319 yards, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. 119 yards, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. It amplifies Ocho, that Bryce Young probably needed to sit and learn some things. Hopefully he learned some things from Andy Dalton while he's in there. Meanwhile, check a look at this out. We're gonna talk about this. Meanwhile, after the game,

Antonio Pierce had this to say about his squad. Okay. No, they didn't. I think as the game, Antonio Pierce had this to say about his squad. Okay. No, they didn't. I think as the game went on, I don't think it was a team. I think there was definitely some individuals that made business decisions. And we'll make business decisions going forward as well.

Wow. What you heard? What? I ain't even hear that. I ain't hear that. So just now, either their guys making business decisions and we go make business decisions moving forward. Hey, that ain't nothing to play with now.

That ain't nothing to play with. Anytime a head coach says that based on your play on the field and a game that probably, you know, coaches play it, you're expecting to win? Shit, you mean business. And listen, I sent out a tweet two days ago. I sent out a tweet two days ago, and I don't know, I'm gonna get to that in a minute. I said, anytime a team makes a change, especially at the quarterback position. For some reason, coincidentally, they respond better. They play better. And that is exactly what the Panthers did. I owe

the Panthers organization. I know the Panthers fans. I owe you apology. I owe you apology, because I was very passionate about the mention of Bryce Young. I was upset that it was benched because I had the understanding in, in having a rookie quarterback coming into a situation where a team didn't do well last year and expecting a rookie quarterback to come in. He's thrown to the wolves, out there to the sharks and is expected to be that savior. And maybe my wording was a little incorrect in saying that he didn't have anybody to throw to, but I was just, I'm mouthing off about the passion, my mouth and all passionate about him being bench. Adam Thielen, I owe you an apology.

Xavier Leggett, owe you apology. Deontay Johnson, boy, your ass showed the fuck out of there, boy. I owe you apology. Eight for a buck, 22 in a tail. Mr. Canales, oh yeah, Mr. Canales, boy, I owe you apologies. Eight for a buck, 22 in a tail. Oh yeah, Mr. Canales. Boy, I owe you apologies. Panthers nation, I owe all you motherfuckers apologies. I'm sorry.

You know, I can put my foot in my mouth. You know, I can show some grace. Please show me some grace. I was wrong. I was wrong. But what we do have is we still have 14 weeks to go. Now you guys can string together some games with a veteran quarterback that is youth that has also been to the playoffs too. Now you guys can string together some games with a veteran

quarterback that is used that has also been to the playoffs too. Now we talked about a winning quarterback. This is Andy Dalton, red rifle neck who used to get it done in Cincinnati. So you guys have someone good that Bryce Young can sit back and learn from that is used to winning that has been to the playoff before and know what it takes to get there. Someone that is efficient with the ball as you saw today, he threw the eight different goddamn receivers and everybody was able to eat. So again, my apologies, you know, for not fixing the words and just being passionate and more concerned with the bench and the Bryce Young and not taking into consideration some of the things I was saying about the team in a collective

in a collective way. So you know what? Y'all keep on pounding. Huh? Go Panthers, bitch. I think look, all it proves is that Bryce Young deserved to be benched. That doesn't mean that he's not salvageable. That doesn't mean that he can't be a good quarterback. But at this time, it was better for him to sit back and learn. Maybe he can see some things. Hopefully Andy Dalton can help him and says, OK, tell me what you're thinking in this situation right here. Or like when you come off the field and it would get and would talk to him,

OK, tell me what you think, because that's what you know, the guys would run around and something would happen. I said, OK, so what tell me, tell me, okay, it was this coverage. Tell me what you're thinking. What did you see that caused you to do that? And so hopefully like, like I said, Ocho, these guys, number one pig, top five, top 10 pigs, everybody expects them to come in and be what they were in college right away.

And that doesn't normally happen. They're they're they're sitting there. They're. Isolated incidents where that may happen, but they're few and far between. Right. And so with that being said, any dog and we that's normally happens, guys come in, guys make plays. You look at the way they ran the football 31 carries a buck 30,

but 31 Chuba Hubbard 21 for 114 the Book was cut up man Hey, but but also do you look at today's game? I saw a lot of people, you know Obviously they watched the game, you know, I found a lot of people on Twitter and Obviously I extended my apologies to you know The Panthers fans and and players via Twitter as well. And then you have other people that aren't fans of the Panthers saying, oh man, like relax. They act like they just won the goddamn

Super Bowl. They're going to be right back to the same Panthers again. They were just playing the Raiders. And I don't really see it like that. I see it as obviously you're playing with a veteran quarterback that is used to being able to process a little bit faster, that's used to being able to get the ball out on time and that's what we saw today. And I think obviously my outlook on the Panthers based off their performance today, especially from the quarterback position where Andy Dalton was able to do, is a little bit more positive

now that they've had the chance to watch them thoroughly, being at the game and being up and close and watching it field side. And listen, I'm excited for them, man. So we're gonna see. You keep stringing them motherfuckers together like you did tonight, they're going to be all right. Panthers win their first game of the season.

Go to one and two, 36, 22 Raiders. Who they got next? Who path is playing next? The Raiders were not able to build on that big, big monumental win. Come from behind, where last week in Baltimore and they fall 36 22 to the Panthers all the one and two. The Panthers played the Bengals. What Panthers play the Bengals.

Well, what are they playing? Are they playing at home or they playing a sense? Where do you play? They play at home in Carolina. You know what? Matter of fact, I'm going to that game. I'm going to that game. I'm going to, I want to, if they are in the chat, if there's anybody that's a Panther fan that's in the chat, can you do me a favor? Send me a tweet after the show. If you have an extra ticket, I would like to come to the game. I know some of y'all might be a little mad

and they might boo me if I come to the stadium, but I'm gonna sit in. I'm gonna sit in. I'm gonna sit. I'm gonna sit out there with y'all, man. Yeah, I'm come come. I'm coming to the game. I'm coming. They plan to bang with two. Let's go. The Rams completed 14 point comeback against the 49ers without Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup, Stanford slice and dice. The 49ers secondary, evenly spreading his targetsiced the 49ers secondary, evenly spreading his targets between Tutu Atwell, Tyler Johnson, Demarcus Robinson, and Jordan Whittington.

Juwan Jennings of the 49ers had a career day, hauling in a career high three touchdown on 11 catches for a buck 75. His score, he's the first receiver to score three touchdowns in the game. Since Tara Lowen's dead in week five of 2001, and he was the first with a 10 plus catch three receiver in TD in the 49ers and Jerry Rice. Wow. Hey, it's so I listen.

Even though they lost. Even though they lost. even though they lost, they still look good. Even with some of the players that they have that are missing, you know how you say next man up? But sometimes they say, well, next man up, really, really wasn't the starter because, wait, I forgot how you said it.

What that? If they were good enough, it was a great use of that. Good you be starting you be the man that's okay. So it looks like even though some of the players are down the next man up in just as good from a productive standpoint. Oh Joe. Look you going to the Carolina game next week. I'm not bullshit. That's I swear I forgot I'm going.

Stop at the gas station, get $20 on pump six, they got two tickets for you. You trying to be funny or you serious? They hard to get. But they just, they listen, they just, You get a three piece winged dinner and some catalogs, and two Carolina tickets for $15. Come on, don't do that, don't do that. Don't be like that. Don't be like that. Listen you know

what happened when you win a game? When you win a game based on the way they performed today and you know Panthers fans they're gonna be excited. I guarantee that game be sold out next week. Oh Joe. Yeah. Three wings, two tater logs, large soda, two Carolina tickets, $25. But so you don't think it so okay, so you don't think today's performance no yes the organization in the fans promise and hope no no no no. I'm gonna tell you how much. All right, I'm going to the game. I'm not missing it. That's gonna be good. In Carolina, ain't nothing but a hip and a stop from Miami.

More than a hip and a stop. I don't know where you're hiping to or where you're stopping at. Spirit, spirit, get down. Ain't nothing, ticket ain't number, uh, about $45. Coast D shine as they beat the Bears. The defense held Chicago to 63 yards rushing four

sacks, three turnovers. The Coast gave up nearly 500 rushing yards to the first two opponents. Yet the Bears attempted 52 passes. I don't know why. Chicago had 247 yards in the first half and was shut out in the second. And shut out at the half after four straight runs and shotgun in a four yard line and didn't yield a touchdown. This game featured two of the youngest quarterbacks in NFL Richardson and Williams. Caleb Williams responded late touchdown throw to Roma Dunze and Cole Comett his first two NFL passing touchdowns. Hey what he got a lot to learn. Yeah I couldn't I couldn't miss this is the only game I couldn't see. Ocho they got a lot to learn. They, I couldn't. I couldn't miss this. This is the only game I couldn't see. Oh Joe, they got a lot to learn. They still it's hard. They Richardson is still trying.

Both of them are still trying to make throws that they made in college. And I keep them. They got the arm to do it though. They don't. You can't make them pros. Oh Joe, you're not in the role one way and throw back across the field to pick. I don't know what the his first Richardson first interception in the end zone. Even if the ball wasn't tipped, it was going to get picked. He got three right dudes round the guy. And then he rolls and throw tried to throw back across the field. The same thing with Caleb William, bro.

You not getting away with those throws in this league. The guys are too good. This is not, you're not playing Louisiana Monroe. You're not playing, you're not playing the FCF team. These guys are the best of the best. They make you pay for mistakes. So stop putting your team in harm's way. I think Anthony Richardson would be good,

but he's got to stop making these mistakes and he got to learn some touch, but I mean, sometimes he thought about the guy from me to this wall and he brought it like he thought it in the hurricane. Yeah. And Caleb, what you 52 times. Come on, bro. Come on. What y'all doing? I wish, I wish I was playing in the offense when they throw the ball 52 times.

I wish, because that's a receiver's dream. You know how many, listen, some teams only ran 65 plays. Sometimes you only run 65 plays and 52 of those are in the air? Yeah, but that means you'll probably lose. If you throw the ball that many times, you probably gonna lose. Ain't gonna be very many times now.

It ain't gonna be very many times that you win a game when you throw the ball that much. You behind, you're probably behind. And you're probably gonna lose the game. Now, if you want some stats, those are great. But you're not winning 52 times? What if you throw it 52 times and you win in the game? What if you throw it 52 times and you win in the game? What if you throw it 52 times and you're a fishing?

What if you throw it 52 times and the quarterback is 48 for 52? Yeah, but Ocho, what are the like, normally when you throw that many times, what are you? You're behind. And teams will let you, hey, do that so they don't give up anything cheaper. D right. Just keep them in front of us. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, I just I mean, if somebody guys and they just I will show you. I just want to know because I had to Richardson said that the college was harder than the NFL. I want to know if he still feels that way. But he said that last year, he said before he got used to this year this year. He said that last year before he got here. He said that this year. Oh, this year?

I don't really think he meant that though. He may even know what he's saying. I don't know if he meant it or not. He would just be probably being facetious. If a girl called you ugly. Oh, she ain't mean that. That ain't what she meant. She said it.

I mean, not when you get you got to listen, you know, a girl called you ugly, sometimes she flirty, and she really don't mean that. But you know, sometimes she said to keep you humble. No, don't keep me humble. My grandma called me ugly all my life growing up. I'm gonna take your word for it, I'm done with you. Oh, ugly self, okay. Hey, I ain't gonna try to convince nobody.

You did you mean that? Because you see you remember the other day you said I was ugly. Did you mean it? No, you said I'm good. I will keep it moving. You can't you can't take it personal man. I take it. I just I have to be what I look like trying to somebody go call me ugly

and they think I'm gonna be with them. I mean. Come on. We're also we grow. You do that in the fourth grade when you in elementary school, you got a crush on somebody, you hear them, but you're ugly, you make me sick. Yeah, we don't play the type of games.

I mean, she really like you. No, I mean, she really like you. Nah, nah. True, hey, I mean, she a real call me ugly sometimes. Was she mad at you? Yeah. Exactly. So she know me, listen, when are women the most honest? When they what? When they angry. When they what?

Thank you. So probably, maybe I am, you know? Listen, I ain't the, I ain't I ain't I'm not the I ain't top 10 in the world. I'm not strong six and a half, especially with a haircut. If I get a haircut, oh, long as I'm long as I'm above five, I'm straight. Now, when I ain't got no haircut and you know, I ain't been on the waist. I'm a strong. I ain't been on the way. I'm a strong. You look.

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what you like. I'm looking for, like you said, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be a strong six, seven. A seven? Yeah, I mean, you say if you want your girl, you wouldn't want your, you want you. So I mean, you say, what would you say? Real to what, nine, rails or what nine ten?

A nine? Not real, real. She probably I give I give seven half. She is. Hey, you heard. Nah, she ain't there. Me say that. I'm gonna tell you.

Listen, my dog, she, she, man, she, she, she about it. She about to ten. I outkicked McCurvers though. You did. to 10. I outkicked McCurvers though. You did. You did. I outkicked McCurvers. And the only reason, only reason she probably, listen, the only reason she with me is I won

because of my personality. OK, I can see that. I'm just being honest. Because you know what they say, if you can make a woman laugh, you can laugh. I ain't going to say it. You know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, you get up out of them.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Quick. Quick. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Quick. Quick. Yeah, yeah. But look, it just depends. I mean, look, everybody there is them lookers that's going to get you like. Yeah. Yeah.

You got some staples that's going to make you do a double take. Yeah. Yeah, they walk in the you got you got some staples that's gonna make you do a double take like no Yeah, they walk in the room and everybody yeah. Yeah, and do you got one you got something you feel now? Listen I mean obviously depending on who you are especially as a male sometimes you want to set Sometimes you want to six and a half because you take a six and a half and you get a Hell a feet in the nails. Yeah Face me. Oh, she good and then you got to worry about everybody after you know Inflation oh, no, what you fail to realize the moment you you can get you a to

The moment oh Joe so somebody gonna want them because they want what Ocho got. That's how it works. Right. They can see a woman walk by a thousand times. Right. Right. But let somebody. Boy, that. Bro, you saw her walk by this. She been working in this office for four years. Yes, sir.

Keeping single. Ain't nobody. She ain't mentioned nothing. No flowers have never come. No cars have never come. You've never seen her go out like, oh, I got to go. I'm going to meet somebody for lunch or for coffee. But the moment somebody else show a little interest, I'll be there.

And you know, you know, Stephanie look good. They do that all the time, Ocho. But you know, like I said, look, I'm what I am. I got a nice personality. I can carry a conversation. I'm what I am. What you see is what you get. Like I said, when I was growing up, Ocho,

in college and high school, you know, you got a homeboy. Because women, a lot of times, you ain't going to see five or six tens together because they're going to be bickering. So you're going to be one ten, eight, seven, and they're going to be about three or four twos and fuses. They're going to be a couple of twos and fuses there, Ocho. The one thing about women, they not going to be a couple of tools and fuels in there, old joke. Now, the one thing about women, they not going splinter. Guys, if five or six guys go out together, and this one in the feed mail say, hey, you

know, hey, what you doing? Let's go get some, hey, bro, check this out. I'll holler at y'all. Hey, such and such. I'm going blah, blah, blah. Women don't splinter like that. So you got to have somebody that'll take for them tools and fuels.

You got to have somebody take one for the team. Right. Yeah. That's why my homeboy would come in at shop. I got you. But you know, my girl, you know, she ain't got nobody. He got her. I go, I'm gonna go in and break him off.

I'm gonna get him about $300. So, you know, he can go ahead and do what he need to do. Keep her occupied Why I can't occupy But you not go find no five six seven tens together because there's too many strong personalities And if somebody talked to one of them, no that'd be he he will he been he being my dear He being my D, you know, they'll be talking all that's uh, that's community. That's community PP anyway, I I did you know, they'll be talking all that's uh, that's community that's community PP anyway, I

So it's no cause confusion more time than not women they have you know one or two that look really really attractive But you know they go have they go have about three or four to the fuel with them now, okay Yeah, always always always Almost I ain't taking one for the team. Now, I wasn't either. I ain't gonna doubt that didn't mean. Man, come on, come on, Sean. No, it ain't no come on, Sean. No way, oh, nah. Come on, bro.

Don't put your boy out there like. Man, but that happens on show. But like you said, like I look, I can talk, carry on a conversation. I got a nice personality. Hey, here what it is, hey, am I 10? No, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good what I am. I'm 56, Ojo.

I move a little, I move a little slow. I got the same haircut I had since 1972. Starting to receive a little bit, been a little bit in the top, but what you see is what you get. Well, I mean, listen, I mean, me, I'm when I got a haircut, when I got a haircut and I put on some clothes, well, I'm about a nine and a half. I'm just going to be honest with you. Yeah, I'm done.

I'm about I'm about like all blue, like when I really like put that shit on, but I like I be somebody different, you know, and I walk, I walk different, you know? And I'm not cocky, I'm convinced. Yeah. You know, yes, it just, it is what it is. But you rarely catch me in those occasions because I always look like a bum

and I always repeat the same outfits for three, four times, you know, at, you know, a weekend because I don't really care. Yeah. I mean, when you had a job where you dressed up every day, 240 days a year, shirt and tie, shirt and tie 240 days out of 365, bro, I, you know, I ain't really trying to dress up like that. Now I still, you know, have to dress up, you know, I don't have to wear a tie.

I don't wear a tie that much anymore, but I still dress up two days a week, occasionally three days a week, man, when I'm going, you know, like, that's what you wear, but look at this, what you get, this is what you get. Now, if you think you go see somebody out there, some LV or some Dior G, won't you? That ain't me. That ain't me. Now them young boys, they can have all that. They got it. But that ain't me. So I'm going'm gonna dress. I'm gonna dress my age. I ain't coming in with all that other stuff that that ain't that ain't me. Oh Joe.

I'm perfectly good at my athleisure. Yeah. Yeah. You know, every time I spring every every blue moon, I was bringing a little high designer, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You don't. Every blue moon. Every blue moon. You don't. Hold on. Where where was I at? Houston. Yeah. You know, Houston, I have a something. Everyone, everyone. Hold on, where was I at? Houston. Yeah. You know Houston, I have a little designer shorts saying, oh, you know a little something.

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