Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chiefs win Super Bowl, Mahomes might be the GOAT, Can Chiefs Three-Peat

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

04:00 Super Bowl takeaways10:10 49ers couldn’t capitalize on their lead13:30 Unc thinks Kelce may be greatest TE ever21:40 Unc says Mahomes GOAT talk might be valid29:30 Can Chiefs pull of three-peat?51:00 How much longer should we expect Andy Reid to coach? #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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hello ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining us for the after super bowl edition of nightcap i'm your favorite um shannon sharp he's your favorite number 85 route runner extraordinaire bingles legend ring of famer, pro bowler, all pro. He had a front row seat for that Mahomes magic, my homeboy. Yeah, that you bet against. That you bet against. We about to get into it. We about to get into it, but I need you to run me my money too. Please make sure y'all like, hit that subscribe button.

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for making this possible. We've been nominated for an NAACP Image Award for the Art, Sports, and Entertainment Outstanding Podcast. We pinned the link. Jordan did his thing. So please make sure you go vote for us. Ocho, we had a doozy. We had a doozy. It didn't start out as a doozy.

Oh, no, no, no. Listen, I'm going to just say the first half was bad. The first half was bad. You could have dozed off. You could have dozed off. Even if you love the game of football, that was some. It was some boo-jazz. Yeah.

It was boo-jazz. I took the dogs out to go potty. You know, I was doing a whole lot of other stuff. But let's get into it. Right, right, right. We beat the 49ers in overtime, 25-22. Ocho, this is the first time that under the new rules in the playoffs, both teams was going to possess the football.

So even if the 49ers had scored a touchdown, the Chiefs were going to get an opportunity to match. He's become the first team in 20 years to win back-to-back Super Bowls. The last team to do it, the 03-04 Patriots. Mahomes earned his third Super Bowl MVP in four seasons. 34-46, 333, two touchdowns, one interception. He's now one of five quarterbacks in league history to win at least three Super Bowls,

joining Tom Brady, who won seven, Joe Montana, who won four, Terry Bradshaw, who won four, Troy Eggman, who won three. Eggman and Holmes, 28, are the only ones in that group to win three before their 30th birthday. Let that sink in. He's won three Super Bowls,

three Super Bowl MVPs, two regular season MVPs, two 5,000-yard passing seasons, a 50-judge down passing season. And he's two years before his 30th birthday. He ain't human.

Across the last two post seasons, Ocho, Mahomes has gone 7-0, throwing 13 touchdowns with one interception. And now he's 15-3 in the postseason. It's both young postseason career. So after tonight, hopefully, hopefully, we can put to bed. It's both young postseason career. So after tonight,

hopefully, hopefully, we can put to bed. There's no quarterback that's currently playing that's in his stratosphere. Now, you take the other quarterbacks that you believe are elite and you let them jockey it out. You put them in a bag

and whichever one you come out with, I'm sure you'll be happy. But we've got to stop this notion. Your quarterback is just as good as Mahomes because he's not. Because first of all, he doesn't have the regular season accolades. And he definitely doesn't have the postseason accolades. And in his biggest moments, Mahomes plays his best. But Ocho, you were at the game.

What was some of your takeaway from the game? Well, obviously, there was really not much to talk about in the first half. The first half, it was doozy, like you did say earlier. But that second half of the game was some of the best football that I was able to watch in person. And I was on the edge of my seat. The second half, I wasn't able to sit down. Obviously, because of the bet that I did make, I was extremely nervous. I was very, very, very nervous.

The 49ers looked good. The play calling by Shanahan, to me, was good as well. He didn't allow Purdy. He didn't put Purdy in a bad position where he could make mistakes. And McCaffrey saved the day with the run. The short, the quick game. Yes. Kittle wasn't involved as much as he should have been or much as I would have liked for him to have been to give them a chance to also win.

And obviously, I'm going to get to Cazares Tony in a minute. But Mahomes, Mahomes is special. Mahomes is special. Mahomes is special. And I'm glad they won due to the, on the sideline. Kelsey and Big Red. Kelsey and then Rasheed Rice and Mahomes were also arguing on the sideline. I'm not sure what that might have been about, but I'm glad they did win

because those two situations in itself. It was going to overshadow it. Yeah, it would have overshadowed it. Huh? Especially Kelsey because, man, he bumped it. He almost knocked the handy down had heshadow it. Especially Kelsey. Huh? Especially Kelsey because he, man, he bumped it. He almost knocked the handy down

had he not grabbed it. Yeah, yeah. And other than that, man, listen, that second half, man, that overtime, I'm not even going to lie to you, man.

I was so scared. I was so scared, but man. But you knew, Ocho. You knew if the 49ers did not score a touchdown, Mahomes was going to get that ball and go down the field and score. And go right down the field because he's done it every time he's done it he does it every time and when they when they went for that field goal I sat back and it was a little

weight off my shoulder it was a little weight off my shoulder because I knew they got an opportunity to go down this field and score and that's's exactly what they did. Yeah. That was some goddamn good football, man. Yeah. Ocho, the thing about what makes Mahomes, he's like Brady. If Brady needed three, he got three. If he needed seven, he got seven. That's seven. That's exactly what Mahomes is capable of doing.

And Ocho, I did not, and I'm not finna sit here and say, oh, I saw this coming because I didn't. I watched it for the entirety of the season. And we watched them drop passes. They're receiving, they drop a pass. I mean, if you want to chalk that up. I think we got one. Rice.

Yeah, you got one. If you want to say that one, a difficult catch. But Rice at this level and the way he's been playing, he probably should have made that catch. He probably can make that catch eight out of ten times. Offensive line, they were shaky as hell in the first half. Mahomes was running

for his life. Those tackles, even the guards were getting beat. I don't know what Greenlaw ate. I don't know what Greenlaw ate before the goddamn game. But boy, before the injury or whatever happened to him, I'm not sure what it was. It looked like he was about to go into the field, Ocho, and you could see that.

When you see that calf reverberate all the way down, it's not a good sign. I'm knocking on wood, hoping for the best, but it didn't look good. Right. Young Bull was all over the place. Fred Warner came to the party. Fred Warner came to the party.

They played well. Again, kudos to the 49ers defense. Kudos to the 49ers offense. They played a good game. They did everything they could do. They did everything they could do. It's just something about Mahomes and clutch situations. When it matters most, he always comes through.

And when they kick that field goal, I say, you know what? They're going down the score. Those two slip screens, the slip screen to Pacheco first. Yeah. And then the second slip screen to Travis Kelsey. Yeah. I didn't see that play all game. No.

Not like that. I saw the regular screens, you know, the smoke screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your bubble. Those two, man, those two play calls in that moment on that last drive to march down that field, that was magic. That was magic. That was magic. You remember we talked about this earlier in the year?

I say the thing, the key, a lot of times the key to winning playoff game is when you have the momentum, how much separation can you get? Now, the 49ers had the momentum in the first half. And they only had a 10-3 lead. That's not enough. You needed to be 17-3. You needed to be 20-3 because you really dominated the first half of the game. But because you let Matom, he could still see your taillights. You needed to disappear.

You needed to really disappear, Ocho, because you got the momentum. And so, Andy, they go in there at halftime. It's like, you've heard this speech before hocho as poorly as we're playing we're only one score down yeah we go out there now it didn't start out great because they go three and out their first two drives but when you get a situation like that you have to put some separation between you and if you look at the second half and you know you're like okay now y'all y'all keep on trying to build party up because y'all wanted people to think he's that dude yeah not he's not and now let me ask you did he answer all your questions because there's a

couple of throws yeah the money throw you got to make those yeah you got to make those especially in the game of this magnitude because all those throws count. This is the game where every throw, every run, and I mean my... Yeah! My, you remember the two fumbles? Yes. Well, they

kind of, they kind of, they kind of what's the word I'm looking for? Not eliminate each other because they both fumbled. Yeah. They both fumbled back to back. But here's the thing. We know for certain there's a great, there's probably a 90% chance where Pacheco fumbled. They're going to get at least three out of that Ocho. Right.

Because he fumbled like the 10, the 10 or the 12 yard line. So, you know, they're going to get three. Now, I'm not exactly where McCaffrey fumbled, but there's, you know, it's not as, the percentages are not the same, but there's, you know, it's not as the percentages are not the same, but you're right. One had a turnover, the other had a turnover, and then Mahomes had a terrible pick

because he had Kelsey, he just overthrew it. He just overthrew him. It's really that simple. There was no magic about it. Oh, they tricked him, and they had this exotic coverage. They had no exotic coverage. Kelsey was open and my homeboy sailed the ball

you know it's really that simple and that's what happened but to give him credit and you see Andy started calling more runs you see on fourth down get up the field you see he looking to hit those creases because now everybody has their back turned to

it and now he's able to he's able to get take off and You see, he looking to hit those creases because now everybody has their back turned to it. And now he's able to get – take off and use his leg. But he was – Mahone was the leading rusher, 9 for 66, had a longer 22. Pacheco, what is that, 18? 18 for 59. Rice had 2 for 5. But that was – and Kelsey, one one kid he's like give me the ball

I can let me make this thing happen I don't understand what was going on in the first half I don't understand what was going on in the first half

obviously how do you allow a team to dictate your one of your obviously your best threat outside of Rasheed Rice don't allow the defense

to dictate getting your best players the ball I hate that I hate that I've hate that. I've discussed it before with other teams. You got, especially a game like this, you have a player that magnitude,

probably, arguably, I mean, which you would agree with, the best tight end to ever play the game. You got to get involved early. Here's my goal for me, and you look at the way he's played. And look, this is not a knock on Gronk, because Gronk was very exact same way. They play at this level in the regular

season, and they're able to up it in the postseason. And both guys can do that. But I just think I would have loved to see Gronk have a stretch of health like Kelsey has had. Because you remember Gronk had

the back injury. He missed a couple of games with his's had because you remember Gronk had the back injury he missed a couple of games with his knee he had some ankle trouble he had the elbow and so he had some issues staying healthy um but he's still for me he's my second greatest tight end that I that that I believe that's on my list now you can have I mean a lot of people have Gronk in front of Kelsey some people might have Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez in front of us. Don't have at it. But that's my list. When it comes to that, when it comes to those guys like you, Gates, Gronk, Kelsey,

numbers aside, I think it's based on preference. It's based on what you like. It really is. All of them are different styles of players. They all get the job done. They just get it done in different ways. So I think it comes down to preference. Hell, all y'all was good. All y'all

was good. We talked about the best they ever got there in play. So it ain't really no argument for me. Yeah, I mean, and but he got it. Mahomes got it going because I thought he could have ended the game in regulation. If he gets that ball up on that back shoulder fade to Kelsey,

when he got Warner. Against Warner? Yes. That's shoulder fade to Kelsey when he got against Warner against Warner that's the exact same play that he had against Baltimore last two weeks on Kyle on Kyle exactly yeah the show was yes I don't I don't know um man to man the 49er defense was tired that second half well hell the chief defense was tired too but for some reason they went they went to man to man when obviously you could tell the players were gassed. Goddamn Fred Warner had Kelsey 101. Oh, he ran the shot across on him?

I mean, he can't stay with him on that now. As great as Fred Warner is, you know he can't stay with him. The goddamn safeties and nickels sometimes have problems staying with Kelsey. You know, Fred's not going to be able to do it. Ocho. Ocho. What able to do it. Ocho. Ocho. What's the number one?

Ocho. We're taught in the route to get across the defender's face. As a defender, your number one rule, you never let a man cross your face. Cross your face, yeah. Offensive line, never let a man

cross your face. Defensive line, never let the man cross your face defensive line never let the man cross your face so he can get up on your back DBs never let the receiver cross your face bro you got man coverage and you play because he played it for the wheel round he played it for the fade so now you got

you kind of splitting the difference you got your so he lined up and so you're splitting him. His leg, forward leg, and you're... So he gives you a little nod. You open. And he opened. That's it.

All you need is that small hesitation, that little half a step. It's done. It's done. My position coach, Les Stecklekel the man to hesitate is beat yeah every time and people don't understand he's like well all he did it doesn't matter you're talking about the elite of the elite oh show me we're talking about race cars i mean everybody's spending 10 30 40 million dollars what's The least mistake given up the inside.

The least mistake you make at this level. It's over. It's over. Ain't nobody that exponentially better. Every once in a while, you get a mismatch, Ojo. But in most situations, yeah, but in most situations, you're talking about the best of the best

against the best of the best. But you can't, that mistake is to play man coverage and leave him outside like that because guess what you got everybody coming and so he's got to get over he's got to get on pigs now he did a great job of getting over the pig but i'll stay up i'll stay up for trap it's over yeah it's over this game was unbelievable in the second half. Travis Kelsey had 10 targets, 9 catches for 93 yards. He had 8 of those

catches for 92 of those yards in the second half. Nicole Hardman had an unbelievable game. Ocho, how many times are they going to let them run that whip route? They got two touchdowns last year against Philly.

With the whip route coming in with the motion and then coming back out with the snap. Rasheed Rice ran it twice. He caught one and Mahomes missed him on the first. Oh, no, that was a drop. Yes. That was a drop on the whip. Sky Moore caught a touchdown last year.

Tony caught a touchdown last year.arius Tony caught a touchdown last year so that's two touchdowns they come back and run that same play yeah now they already know the tight end

and Kelsey Kelsey don't even try to get open cause he knows that they're gonna try they're gonna sink and they're gonna try to take the seven they'll sell right from him

if you go look Kelsey doesn't even turn around he doesn't even turn go back and pull up he don't even turn around he doesn't even turn go back and pull up he don't even turn around he already know what it is he already know what it is mm-hmm

Harbaugh comes in mm-hmm and back out wide open every time you know what I'm damn as a DB you would damn near have to guess

you would have to guess based on film study but in that situation in a game like that you don't want to guess you want to play you want to play what your eyes show you you want to play what your eyes show you in that situation, in a game like that, you don't want to guess. You want to play out. You want to play what your eyes show you.

You want to play what your eyes show you. In that defense, you got no choice because, okay, if you get on his hip and you run the shallow cross, you beat him.

If you get ahead of him, you see what he's going to do? He's going to start your head and he's going to whip it back out on you. Come on back out. Yeah. You got to play honest.

Hey, that's what the coach used to say. Hey, that's on me. I put you in a bad spot son Ocho that's all you got he put you in a bad spot ain't nothing you can do and you know what I was thinking about the only thing you can do Ocho is probably zone it off

once he go in motion expand but now you run the risk of somebody sitting down in that zone on your ass. Bingo. And he's going to pick you off. He's going to pick you off and dink and dunk if you do that.

But, again, I want to touch on the Kadarius-Tony stuff and the struggles that they had offensively in the first half. Obviously, Kadarius-Tony didn't play. He was a healthy scratch. But I felt, and I say this, I think, with you guys on first take, I said, we need all hands on deck. We need all hands on deck and we need all weapons on deck. And obviously, I know what happened.

I know some of the struggles Scuderia's Tony had. But I talked about, excuse me, having all hands on deck and him being a weapon that can be used, especially in the first half. Because offensively, it was so lethargic. It was very methodical it didn't look like it seemed like there was no really no creativity offensively and the 49s were on everything you couldn't run the ball you couldn't throw the ball play action wasn't working obviously well yeah it's hard to play run it yeah exactly so i i thought maybe go going to the short game you know little quick screens here and there i just thought having tony would have been a great answer in that first half when things weren't going the way you want them to, especially offensively. But listen, Tony, he didn't play.

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your podcasts. Ocho. Did he do himself any favors By going on IG Live No no sir Ocho why You need to get with him and explain I got him

There's only so much I can do In the middle of a season you got so much going on Emotions are running high You want to do well You think about all the work you put in and things aren't really going the way you plan sometimes that happens sometimes it happens so i understand where he's coming from now he can exhale he can reset take some time off and when it's time for him to train i'm gonna be right i might have my cleats strapped up right

with him we're gonna work ocho what you think kansas city comes back they three p my home to the mvp we might have to we might have to really call that goat thing into discussion right because it'll be the first time in the history of the game that somebody is three p right and we understand how hard it is to repeat. That's why you only hand a handful of repeat. Mm-hmm. You think they have an opportunity? Well, if they're going to repeat. They got to bring CJ back.

They got to get CJ. They got to get LeJarius Sneed. They got to get guys like that. Yeah, but listen, they're not repeating unless you have those two centerpieces on defense. Because if you think about it, people in the chat, if you think about it, the regular season for the Kansas City Chiefs, it wasn't about Patrick Mahomes.

It was about Spagnolia and they got their defense. And the way they played throughout the entirety of the season. And obviously, you play, you play, you play, you play great defense

and you leave it in Mahomes' hands when it's time to win the ball, trying to win the game. And he's going to come through for you every time because he's someone that you can put everything, the onus in winning the game on him when it's time to win the ball. Trying to win the game. And he's going to come through for you every time because he's someone that you can put everything, the onus in winning the game

on him when it matters most. Ocho, that muff punt. Flipped the game. Well, you know what? It hit the blocker's foot. It hit the blocker's foot. I mean, you know, Ocho. I think Ray Ray should have fell on it.

He should have fell on it instead of trying to pick it up. Thank you, Ocho. That's the rule can't say anything. I think Ray Ray should have fell on it. He should have fell on it instead of trying to pick it up. Thank you, Ocho. That's the rule. Right. He was trying to make a play. No, Ocho. In that situation, you don't play hero ball.

Now, that's a... Look, you try to tell yourself, hey, man, this is just a football game, bro. It's just like all the rest of them. The field is the same difference. The points count the same. A touchdown is six.

A safety is two. A field goal is three a pat if you kick it is one you go for it you get it is two but you can't trick your mind your mind know what the magnitude of this game is so you tell yourself all you want to is just the game but you know you understand you can feel it the moment driving to the stadium people are waving they got the banners they got your banners they got the other team's banners on the driving to the stadium people are waving they got the banners they got your banners they got the other team's banners on the way to the stadium you come out on

that field Locho you know how it was think about all the people that was already in the stands think about all the people that were on the field so you know hold on this ish ain't regular and when was the last time you had a regular season game that you was there from somewhere from Sunday to Monday you ever had a regular season when when was the last time you had a regular season game that you was there from

somewhere from sunday to monday you ever had a regular season game you were somewhere from sunday to monday so your body no hold on i ain't used to sleeping in their beds or far in bed like this this is different it's different i used to have used to having all meetings every day in a hotel room right and then we have a big meeting in a conference room. That ain't normal. Right. But that, and sometimes that's what it takes. It takes, and the momentum swung. Big time. At that point in time.

And you're just like, okay, they tried to get it back, but that blocked PAT. That blocked PAT is, ooh. That was huge, Ocho. That was huge. You know, that 57-yard field goal was huge as well. Oh, he got a buck, got leg now. Straight down the line.

Straight down the line. And the Chiefs were down by, remember, they were down by 10. The first time they played the 49ers, they was down by 10 against the Eagles. They were down 10 tonight. What else does Mahomes have to, what does he have to do, Ocho? I don't know. Matter of fact, I think if I'm not mistaken, in all the playoff games,

maybe not Super Bowl, he's been down double digits in all of them. If I'm not mistaken, he came back and won. Well, he was down double digits. He was down 24-0 against the Texans. He was down 10-0 against the Tennessee Titans. We know. We just mentioned he was down three. So he's been down double digits.

Probably six. But you look at his record. Trailing in the second half of a playoff game. The dude's 8-2. That's crazy. Crazy. He's good. He's good. He's good. And I think also, I want to give credit

to Andy Reid as well with the play calling. I want to give credit to Andy Reid as well with the play calling. I want to give credit to Andy Reid as well with the play calling and really not putting Mahomes and the ball

in harm's way, even though you're trailing. Because, you know, when you're trailing, you just start calling anything instead of just playing your game. That's where the term game manager

comes in. You see, Mahomes understands I can't take the risk game manager comes in. You see Patrick Mahomes understands I can't take the risk that I normally could. Right, right. When you're down you have to be a game manager when you're down because all your decision makings have to be right. You pay

double for turnovers Ocho. Oh yeah, oh yeah. You pay double for those and so now as opposed to being swashbuckling he has to be conservative. OK, that four yard route, it's only four yard. Man, come on, man. Push the ball down the field.

No, that throw isn't there. This is the throw that's there. And you know, the thing is like, oh, man, you know, and I'm sure Steve Wiltz is saying he's going to get antsy. We just going to make him keep checking it down, making him keep checking it down. And then he's going to get greedy. And when he does, we're going to be there. But he's learned, and Andy's done a great job of this.

Son, take what they give you. And don't be afraid to take off. From the time that he won that first Super Bowl when they were down against the Texans, and he started using his legs, he's a quarterback. He's a different quarterback. He's never going to be Justin Fields or Lamar, Mike Vick. He's a different quarterback. He's a different quarterback. Yeah. He doesn't run. He's never going to be Justin Fields or Lamar,

Mike Vick. He's never going to be that. But he runs and sometimes it hurts more when he runs because you're not expecting it. Expecting it.

Yeah. He had to run the night when he went up the gut. It took off. That was third down. And then he poured, you see him pouring to my block.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see a point to my block. I'm going to hit my head on the goal post. You block him. Oh, man. That was a great game. That was a great game. The Chiefs were down 10. In playoff games, down seven or more.

In the Patrick Mahomes era, the Chiefs were 9-2. The next quarterback win ratio in that scenario, dating back to 1950, is Brady he's 10 and 11. Let me read I want to read this again. Yeah so people people understand that in playoff games down seven or more in the Patrick Mahomes era the Chiefs are nine and two in those games the next best quarterback win ratio in that scenario which means down at least seven points dating back to 1950. So we're going back almost 75 years is Tom Brady. He's sub 500. He's 10 and 11.

Patrick Mahomes is nine and two in said games. The next closest is Tom at 10 and 11. That's crazy. So let me ask you this. And we've been talking about this. There'll be a lot of, a lot of goat talk. And I was on,

I was on somebody's show Wednesday when I was doing media day for Oikos. And I said, right now, Tom has the big horns. He needs to go. He got the big horn. Of course. Of course.

Where are you going to put my homeboy? He gets that three P three P four-peat Four Super Bowl MVPs Right And he's not 30 Where you putting him Do you Do you over He doesn't overlap Tom

Because obviously people will bring up the fact that Tom Has six, seven rings or whatever I thought the eye test Because that's what they told me I see it first now They say Jordan is the eye test, because that's what the quarterback can see. And I see it first now, hearing the thing, they say Jordan is the GOAT

because he three-peated. They say Kovac is next in line because he three-peated. So I just need to know, are we staying consistent with that? Yes or no? Listen, now you have to talk to those who watch the game of basketball.

I'm just going to stick to football and what I actually know. But I think, you know, it comes down to numbers. It comes down to rings, and rings matter. Rings comes down to numbers it comes down the rings and rings matter rings matter especially when it comes to the quarterback position when we're talking about the goat but until you unseat the individual who is in front with the most then I mean can there be a goat junior oh well he is that right now but here's the thing if rings is well Bill Russell

has 11 nobody ever said he's a GOAT. You know, I like how you do this. Robert Ory has seven rings. Right. There are a lot of Celtics, Havlicek and Sam Jones and Casey Jones. I just think, I think it's going to be a very interesting conversation.

Because, no, because a lot of teams have tried to three-peat. And the thing is, I mean, that's a lot of extra games on your body because you're talking about going to four Super Bowls in a span of six. Hold on. That'll be four in six years, right? No. That'll be five.

They're three and one. That'll be five in six years. Nobody's ever done that. That's crazy. Yes. This ain't a game of Madden. This is real life. It's real life.

It's real life. But, I mean, I think now Ocho, nothing that he does, this ain't this ain't a game of madden this is real life real life it's real life but i mean i think now ocho nothing that he does surprises you yeah i mean i just knew once they set up for the field goal hey like john witherspoon said it in friday uh next next friday yeah that's your oh in friday that's your ass oh and fry that's your ass mr postman it was a wrap it was a wrap i mean he's unbelievable uh travis kelson andy reed incident aj brown tweeted out the game if that was me i would have been kicked out of the league oh you know what it was you come on now you know what listen you know what it is There's no need to explain it.

You know there are certain people that can get away with certain things based on situation and circumstance. You know, A.J. Brown, you're held to a different standard. You're on the microscope. Cheetah. Players that have personalities. Players that are deemed divas are held to a different standard. It's always been that way. There's nothing new.

You remember Ernie Ocho? When he threw his helmet and Andy said, what the hell are you doing? And the equipment guy tried to give it back to him and Andy said, no, don't give me the helmet back. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised, though.

I'm surprised that, look, I know we've all had shouting matches, not getting shouted matches with your coach. But the bumping? That's the emotion of the game. That's the emotion. I don't think he really meant the bumping. I think it's just the emotion of the game. Especially a game...

We talk about Super Bowl. We talk about Super Bowl and him wanting to contribute and them not being able to give him the ball. I would be frustrated, too, as well, allowing the 49ers defense to dictate what I can and can't do on the field. And I think that's what was frustrating the most.

But here's the thing. Here's the difference between Travis Kelsey's situation and George Kittle. If you don't throw Kittle the ball, you still got Debo. You still got Ayuk. You still got Christian McCaffrey. You still got Jennings. So many other options. If you don't get Kelsey involved, basically you relegated to he and Rice.

I mean, Justin, what's the guy named, 84? Justin Watson. Justin Watson will make a catch here. They're surprising people. He dropped one tonight, too. He sure did. MVS. I've never seen a guy get a six-yard completion and turn it

into a four-yard loss like MVS did. Ocho, you ever seen anything like that? Yeah, you just got to go down. That's it, bro! Once you got up out that first tackle, and once you feel your body and you're having to retreat and there's nowhere to go, just go ahead

and go down. Don't lose no yards. You're not A.J. Brown, bro. You're like a Bucks 75. So a guy's been you around where you think you're going. Right. But like you said, sometimes you got to know when the journey's over. And everybody in my home's like,

what is that? You see C.J., you see the defense on the sideline like, what the hell? How we had a six-yard completion and it turned it into a four-yard loss. They looking like, they're like, what was that? They were able to overcome it. They were able to overcome it.

God damn, that man's special, man. Godly. People don't realize it because here's the thing, Ocho. If you play in a city and your quarterback is good, you want him to be on Mahomes' level. Right, right, right. And you're like, well, what he did, well, my quarterback beat him once.

But how many times did he beat him when it mattered? Think about that. Look at this. This man goes into your building. This was supposed to be the year. Everybody said, I want home field. Buffalo said, we want Mahomes to come to us because the last time, the last couple of times

that we played in the playoffs, we had to go to Arrowhead. Right. Come see us in Buffalo. It didn't make a difference. Lamar had everything. He had a coach, Todd Munkin. We had, you know, you got Odell. You got Bateman.

You got Zay Flowers. You got Likely, who was playingeman, you got Zay Flowers, you got Likely who was playing unbelievable filling in for Mark Andrews. Didn't matter. This is the difference. Ocho, this is when you heard me say this. The mark of

any great team, a unit, can you get done what you have to get done when you absolutely have to have it have it yeah they couldn't get they got got 48 dropped on them a deal hey we need to get off the field on third down and you can't get off the field my homeboys needed a field goal what did he do Ocho he took his team down and he got a field goal my home needed to one up what Brock Purdy had done and got a touchdown he went got it that's. Mahomes needed to one-up what Brock Purdy had done and went and got a touchdown.

He went and got it. That's how you describe greatness. Not going and get 40. Well, he scored 48. He had five touchdowns, 300 yards. He had this. When he needed it, could he get it? Yeah.

That's how you make it. Go ahead. The funny thing is, we talk about Purdy. Purdy played a good game. He was 23 for 38. He had 255 in the TD. He had a good game. Hell, McCaffrey had a good game.

Aiyuk, it was good. Jennings, obviously, was decent. We needed more Kittle. We needed more Debo. If they wanted to have a chance. Debo had 11 targets for three catches for 33 yards. You got to make those plays. You got to make those yards. You got to make those plays. You got to make those plays. You got

to make those throws. There were some throws that Purdy needed to make to change the dynamic of that game because the game, obviously, is a game of inches. It's a game of inches. And every play and every throw matters. Guys, so if we're going to say so, that means

Nick Foles is the GOAT. So because everybody keeps saying, well, Brady beat Mahomes when it mattered. So did Eli Manning. So if Eli Manning is the GOAT, you see how ridiculous that argument is? And Nick Foles beat him. A guy that was a journeyman. So Mahomes lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady. Tom Brady lost a journeyman, Nick Bowles.

And Joe Flacco beat him in the playoffs twice. Mm. So what are we doing here? What should I test tell you? In situations like this. Yeah. People move the goalposts. People move the goalposts.

How about we do it like this, Ocho? Tom Brady, I still believe Tom is the goalposts. People will move the goalposts. How about we do it like this, Ocho? Tom Brady, I still believe Tom is the goal. Yeah. But you're out your mind and you're lying if you're saying at the exact same age Tom Brady was better than or the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes. There's no way you can say it.

There's absolutely no way you can say Tom Brady was the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes at the exact same age. Right. Because Tom had no regular season MVPs. None. Zero. Tom had no regular season MVPs. None. Zero.

He had no 5,000-yard passing season. No 50-touchdown passing season. So what are we doing here? You say, well, we... Okay. Patrick Mahomes got three three he's three for three he won three super bowl and he's a super bowl mvp in all three brady didn't do that he had two regular season mvps brady had none he had two 5 000 yard passing season brady had none he had a 50 touchdown passing season brady had none now, Brady would later go on to have a 50 touchdown passing

season. He would go on to later have a 5,000-yard passing season. But where we are right now, Ojo, we here. We right here. Brady didn't have these accolades. Now, we're going to see it's going to take

if Mahomes can stay healthy. Because the one thing you can say about Brady, Brady stayed relatively healthy over his 23 year career except that one season, 2008. He got hurt in the first game. He missed the entirety of the season. But other than that, Ocho, the one thing you can count on

if you played the Patriots, you're going to see 12 try to advance out there and talk about let's go. Let's effing go! You knew that. So it wasn't, man, I 12 tried to advance out there and talk about let's go. Let's go. Yeah. So he wasn't, man, I wonder if 12 gonna play today. Man, I saw him on the injury report. There are certain people when you saw him on the injury report, man, you know he played.

Yeah, playing up in a number of smoking mirrors. That's all it was. But it's a great debate that we're going to have and it's not going to go away because we've never ever in the history of the game seen a quarterback this good, this early, this complete. Because maybe, let's just say, maybe he had the passing, but he didn't have the hardware and the Super Bowls.

Brady had Super Bowls, but he didn't have the regular season accolades. And they say, well, because Peyton, they killed Peyton. Bruh. Ocho. But you, hold on, I'm trying to think. You was in the league. You came in the league in what, 2000 or 2001? 2000. Came in 2001. But anyway.

For real? Yeah, for real. Oh, my bad. I don't remember. Bruh, they killed Peyton. Yeah. for real. Oh, my bad. I don't even remember. Bro, they killed Peyton. Yeah, yeah. Listen, Ocho, they obliterated Peyton. They called him Mr. Regular Season. He couldn't win the big game. Now when we hold the same standard,

whoa, Shannon, you out there buck dancing. You out there shucking and jiving. You done turned corporate, you went to ESPN. I said, no. I thought we held our great players to the same standard. Standard, right. If the standard is the standard, why should we lower for somebody that we like?

Why are we doing that on show? Is that what we do? Listen, I tell you all the time, the goalposts always move depending on who you're talking about. Always. It will always do that. They will find a reason or they'll find excuses or they find, they use numbers, they manipulate the situation for the individual that you're talking about. People do it all the time, whether it's basketball, basketball, football, hockey, any sport.

When it comes to somebody you like. They're going to find a way. But I'm just trying to figure out who you're going to say. What you drinking now? What's you drinking? Water. Oh, okay, okay.

But hey, if you want to see what type of water that is, somebody's going to have to pay for that old show. Ain't nothing free but salvation. And Reverend I, Jimmy Swagger, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, they charge for that.

Okay, I got you. I got you. I got you. free but salvation. And Reverend Knight, Jimmy Swagger, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, they charge for that. Okay. I got you. I got you. I got you. You know, I'm gonna become an old minister. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. Yeah. You know what my motto is, Ocho? What? Don't put change in the collection plate. God don't like noise. God don't

like noise. Only paper. Only paper? You don't change make noise. God don't like noise. Only people You don't change You make noise God don't like noise Right I like that He like it peaceful He like it quiet

Right I'm stealing that I'm stealing that one I'm stealing that one Oh Golly that game was good I need a water man Ocho Yes sir

Are you going to run me my money? What did I owe you for now? You owe me $400. Keep betting on Kadarius. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on now. Hold on. Hold on.

Time out now. Come on now. You just making up stuff now. Ocho, you didn't tell me he was going to be active. I told you he wasn't. You said he was. We didn't bet on him being active.

I just said he was going to be active. Because I don't have an injury report out. We don't know if Andy Reed is not thinking about it. I said he was going to be active. Because I don't have an injury report out. We don't know if Andy Reid is not thinking about it. I said he could be 100% healthy. He could get out there and before the day, he could run 4-3. He ain't getting on that field. Ocho, you know how

superstitious coaches are. Go on a winning streak. Do they change anything if you go on a winning streak? Hell no. No, no, no. Go ahead. I'm go on a winning streak, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just thinking as a coach, you know, a game like this,

again, I want all hands on deck. I want every weapon possible with the creativity. Having everybody available with the creativity that Andy Reid has, you can do more. You can do more. And I know what Kadarius Torn can do with the ball in his hands, and I understood that. Give it to the other team. Come on. You can do more. And I know what Kadarius Toney can do with the ball in his hands and I understood that. Give it to the other team.

Come on. See, come on. Ocho, what you want? Ocho, you say pull the tape. You say pull the tape. If I pull the tape out from Kadarius Toney tell the people at home

that didn't get an opportunity to see him play. What are you doing? I can also pull the tape of him being very elusive. His short air equipment and his ability to separate

in small spaces. He got some plays out there. He got some nice plays now. He got some nice plays now.

Ocho, don't do that. I mean, he got some nice plays. Hey, listen, you know, we can find bad plays on

everybody now. We can find some good ones. It's Sunday, Ocho. No, but it ain't just Monday, actually. It's Sunday. No, no, no.

It's Sunday. It's Sunday still. It's 12-16. It's Monday. If you let... That ain't it's Monday actually it's Sunday no no no it's Sunday it's Sunday still it's 12-16 it's Monday if you if you that ain't where you are you in Vegas I know but I'm on

East Coast I don't live here I don't live here you there I'm glad they won though man I'm glad they won yeah man that was a good

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Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kelsey was mum after the game about Bumper Reed Trav. I'm going to keep that between us unless my mic, if my mic up tells the world. I was just telling him. No, no, he was mic'd up. Yeah, of course.

He was mic'd up. You know, I get, I get, I get, we get a list of all the players that were mic'd up. Well, you know, him, my homeboy, I get, uh, we get a list of all the players that were mic'd up for him, my homeboy, probably Pacheco, CJ, uh, Snead. Mm-hmm. Yeah, of course. I'm gonna tell you,

I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna tell you right now who was mic'd up. So, I'll be able to, I mean, I probably wouldn't share it with everybody because that stuff, that stuff like that, you wanna, you wanna... They'll put that in the, uh, you know, when they release the Super Bowl edition. You guys might have it Tuesday. Oh, they got it.

No, I'm saying they might have it. Yeah, they got it. They got it. I'll let you know what we said. Yeah. What team is, the question is what we said. Yeah. What team is, the question is, we got a question for,

and we got it up in the chat. What team is most standing in the way of KC's three-peat? The Ravens, the 49ers, the Bills, we them boys. You know,

we them boys went from we them boys to we need more boys. But anyway, my guess is Kansas City, I'm going with the Chiefs. They the most standing in their way. Wait, in whose way? Of the Chiefs of three-peating. What team, the Ravens, the 49ers, the Bills, or the Cowboys, are most standing in the way of the Chiefs?

Now, when I think about the teams that are standing in the way of the Chiefs, I think I would stay with the A Chiefs I would stay with the AFC I would stay with the AFC Obviously a healthy Joe Burrow and the Bengals Again the Ravens The Ravens as well with Lamar Jackson are very dangerous Again You gotta think

Jim Harbaugh over there trying to change the culture With the goddamn Chargers Justin Herbert If he can get them on the right track, they are also coming out of the AFC that can cause an issue.

The Dolphins, I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah, that's all you do. You throw it out there. Yeah, I mean, listen. This is the AFC. You know what happens. You know the AFC

where all the quarterbacks are, right? You know that? You know what happens if it's windy happened if you throw, if it's windy outside and you throw poop up in there, you know it's going to blow back in your face now. You just throw it out. You know what I'm saying?

I'm just throwing out names of teams, teams that played well this year, especially offensively. What team is most standing in the way? You got to believe not just naming teams. Who do you believe? Most standing in the way? Like literally give them a challenge?

Yes. That presents the best opportunity. Who give them the opportunity that you say, you know what? That's the team that's standing in the way that's going to keep KD from three-peating. In the AFC? You can pick the Ravens. You can say the 49ers. Bengals, Ravens, Bills. Bengals, Ravens, Bills.

The chat said Ravens, 42%. 49ers, 22%. The Bills, 12%. The Cowboys, 24%. God damn. The Cowboys, really? Well, I think I'm going to move to Dallas. I'm going to move to Dallas and I'm going to open up a store.

Because I can sell the Cowboys fans any damn thing. I can sell them anything. I can sell them deer poop and tell them it's perfume. A hundred dollars a bottle. Yeah, you got to believe in your team. As a fan, you got to believe

in your team no matter what, right? Bro, you ain't been, bro, you ain't won two playoff games in the same season since 95. At some point in time, y'all going to start believing the more damn beat, I told you they did like damn

beat dance hey boy you know you know your old man gonna come pick you up thank you get some ice cream you know your old man gonna take you or take you to the park wait but the lions hadn't been to the playoffs and won a playoff game in 32 35 years though right so we hold so we holding the lions and the cowboys to the same standard that's what we do not i'm just saying you never know so this might be the year this might be the year for the Cowboys. You never know. You keep saying that. I'm saying, I'm just saying.

I keep saying that. But if a certain someone chooses not to steal the spotlight and let the team and the coaches do their goddamn job. Okay. You never know. That might happen. What do you think? What's the likelihood of that happening?

You wish that would happen, don't you? Not good. Because as soon as I mentioned it, he was making headlines already and they're not even in the Super Bowl. See, Ocho, you just wish things would go a certain way.

I would. Why do you wish that? Listen, when you want to see change, when you want to see change and you want to see results, that means you have to change what you're doing. You got to change what you're doing.

You got to change your routine. And that's what, that is the definition of insanity. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and over and expecting different results. Right. When it starts with you.

I'm just, I just don't know. Lamar won his second MVP. Second MVP, yeah. But at what point in time do we start holding him accountable and says, that's underachieving? You had the best defense. You had the best off.

You had the best rushing attack. You had the best set of receivers that you've had since you've been in Baltimore. And you were one vote. I don't know who that was that took that vote away from you because he was one vote away, Ocho, from being a two-time unanimous MVP.

And he had the AFC Championship game. And he had the guy. Because the one thing we know about Patrick Mah uh patrick mahomes he's a big game hunter yeah some people me i'm a shore fisherman i'll stand on the bank throw my rod out there i catch the little fish i ain't okay i can't catch no tuna i can't catch no marlin right my homes is a big game hunter he's going cutting for cape buffalo that's what he's going hunting for Cape Buffalo.

That's what he's going to do. He ain't going pheasant hunting. Right now, a lot of these guys doing pheasant hunting and quail hunting and dove hunting and calling it big game. Nah. Patrick Mahomes got pelts on his walls. And I know Peter don't want to hear me talk about that, but y'all at home, y'all get an understanding

of what I'm talking about. Now, at some point in time, Ocho, it ain't enough. It's going to be, he's going to have to catch the MVP and turn him into Super Bowl. Yeah. Because you keep,

well, he only 26. Mahomes is only, how old is Patrick Mahomes? 27 or 28? 29. Huh? 29, right? 28.

And that's it? 28. Imagine, what if he played all the way to 45 like Brady? No, he'll not. I mean, listen, with the rule, the way the rules are now, oh, that's possible. That's possible. But here's the thing, Ocho.

Okay, you play to, so he's right now. So right now he's 28. Right. That means if he plays to 45 that's another 17 years man you think Andy Reid finna coach another 17 years you know what

no so are we saying Andy Reid is responsible for and if it'll be on the sideline Andy's gonna be ground up cheeseburgers by that point listen even if it's not

even if it's not Andy it's Patrick Mahomes it's still Patrick Mahomes yeah Andy Reid's 65 Listen, even if it's not Even if it's not Andy Patrick Mahomes is still Patrick Mahomes Yeah Andy Riz 65 So you think that man gonna be roaming the sidelines at 83? What, he gonna be on a motor scooter? Somebody gonna be pushing him in a wheelchair?

Okay, you say Andy 65, right? Well, Pete Carroll was 77 Really? I'm just saying I'm just saying I'm just saying If you want to keep on winning But if you look at Pete Pete is so energized

Pete rah-rah Running up and down the field And everything like that Jogging Yeah, that ain't Andy's demeanor Now, I'm not saying Could I see him coaching Another five years?

Absolutely The 70 Without even blanking on even not so much no I can see him coaching another 5 easy and that puts Patrick Mahomes at 33 for another 5 years would we be

surprised in 5 years if the Chiefs haven't won another 2 Super Bowls we're probably going to be disappointed if they don't shock because it's more likely, more probable than not, that they're going to go to at least two more Super Bowls in the next five years based on just that guy. Like you said, that guy.

That guy, yeah. Yeah. You draft right, free agency. You know everybody going to want to come play there. Yeah. It's a possibility. But you got to make sure but you got to make sure

you sure up keep the sub-core guys because Chris Jones how old is CJ? CJ can't be that old. How old is CJ? He was disruptive. He didn't sack the quarterback

but he was very disruptive. Very, yep. CJ, 29. How old's Snead? Snead got to be like 29 also, right? I think he might be younger. He's 27. Hold on.

They might have one of the youngest defense because look at the safety. The safety, I mean, McDuffie, the all-pros corner, he's only in his second year. Second or third year. Damn. Yes. Colophotus.

Colophotus. He's like 23, 24. They're young, Ocho. Their defense is really, really young. And probably their best offensive lineman. Yeah, and probably their second best offensive lineman, whether you like Creed Humphrey or not. Joe Tooney was out.

Yeah. They keep them core guys together. Draft well. Or it can get scary over there still. Yeah. Yeah.

But, it's going to be, look, all them MVPs, the people, and guess what, Ocho? You remember, even when Peyton Manning had all them MVPs, they were still, he can't win them, even after he won the Super Bowl. Because remember, he won it

and then came back and lost to New Orleans and they said he couldn't win the big game. Big game, yeah. Listen, every time they're going to move them goalposts now. The Chiefs are the youngest team defensively in the NFL. NFL. And they just won back-to-back Super Bowls. Don't you hide that fear.

Bunch of babies, oh, listen, you know how it feel. You know, they got that man over there on offense. The same thing Brady did in Kansas City. But give Brad Beach credit. Those guys did an unbelievable job.

He does an unbelievable job of getting the right pieces. Obviously, they let Patrick Mahomes have input as far as the offensive receivers, like receivers or tight ends and things like that. He has an input. He knows what he likes throwing to. They know what they want, but

he's like, I kind of like this guy. This guy can make tough catches, got a big catch radius, nice run after the catch. Because Rasheed Rice is not a big guy, but he has tremendous run after the catch. And when you play in this style of offense, Ocho, you've got to after the catch because Rasheed Rice is not a big guy, but he has tremendous run after the catch. Run after the catch, yeah. Excuse me.

And when you play in this style of offense, Ocho, you got to have that. Yeah. Because it's not like they pushed the ball. They don't have Tyree. So they can't push the ball over the top of your head down a lot. Now, they'll surprise you now and catch you snapping. Go over your head. Yeah, and go over your head with MBS or something like that. But for the most part, everything is going to probably be somewhere around 12, 15 and under.

A lot of bubble screens, a lot of smoke screens, you know, a lot of stuff like that. And so guys need to be able to run after the catch. How much of this loss falls on Kyle Shanahan, Ochoa? Oh, I mean, what could Kyle have done better I mean he called a good game He called a good game The execution offensively And the throws that Purdy needed to make

He didn't make them They were in position They were in position to win the game They were Think about it You go to overtime You didn't make Many mistakes Hurd didn't have any interceptions

McCaffrey did have a fumble Yeah But there were no points out of that I mean Both fumbles on both teams There were no points out of that So that kind of Exes everything out

God that was Do we put this one on Shanahan? Even though it's his third time going and losing? But look where you're going again. The second time as a head coach. The other time... Second time as a head coach.

Third time as a coordinator. But he's been there three times. Is it really his fault? Look where you're going again. But I think the thing is what people are saying. You had a 28-3 lead. You had a 10-point lead

and a 10-point lead. And you lost two games in overtime and you lost one. You had a 28-3 lead, you had a 10-point lead, and a 10-point lead, and you lost two games in overtime, and you lost one, you end up losing 30 by 11 points. Right. I think that's the... And see, for me, my big... I said, hold on, wait a minute. Look how Jordan Love looked against that team.

Look at Jerry Goff look at that team. Yeah. Neither one of them, neither one of them, I mean, if I gave them the Hubble telescope, they couldn't see Patrick Mahomes. Right, right. So I said, if you give him that kind of time,

I mean, 34, 46, 333, two touchdowns. He's a Steve Manese. I mean, I'm running out of words to describe him because I'm old enough to remember a lot of the greats that I saw a lot of them play. I mean, I was in the league when Joe played. You know what I'm saying? So I know Joe and Steve and Peyton. I was in the league when Peyton played. I mean, and Brady.

I never thought Brady would be this because I played him twice. Beat him in 0-2 in their place coming off the Super Bowl. They came back and beat us in 0-3. He threw a last-second touchdown pass with like 20 seconds on the clock. I thought he was good. I did. I thought he was really, really good, but I didn't

see this. I didn't see this. I mean, that losing as a coordinator, losing 23 when you have a lead like that, that's just, ugh. That's bad. Ocho, if you go back and look at

Patrick Mahomes' losses, you gotta outplay it. If you look at Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow with the arrowhead, he outplayed it. You go to the Super Bowl, Brady outplayed him. You can say when he lost five offensive linemen, Brady still

outplayed him. Now, the only game Brady, now Brady just got the ball last, but Patrick Mahomes, you go back and look at Patrick Mahomes' first AFC Championship game, and the numbers, I mean, he damn near had 400 yards passing. He was sensational.

They were down like 14-0 at the blink of an eye. And he gave them the lead, and then he came back and got them in field goal position with like 36 seconds. And then Brady got the ball. Brady won the coin toss. They go down the field. But more times than not, if you beat

Patrick Mahomes, the Kansas City Chiefs, your quarterback outplayed Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, you have to. You have to. That's the only way you're going to get it done. And you can say, well, the quarterback ain't... No, no, no, no, no, no. But it is. Your quarterback is going to have to match him. Because if he don't, you can't beat him.

You're going to have to match him or supersede what he's doing. Or you can't beat him, Ocho. It's really that simple. I mean, he's getting to a... He's top five. I don't think... There's no debate about that. Top five all time. Yes. that. Top five all time.

Yes. Oh. Yes, all time. You know Dale where that bad. Yeah. Top five now. He's number one. And he's one.

And then there's a gap between one and two. So he's right here. And then there's two. Whoever you want to put it to. You want to put Lamar. You want to put Josh Allen. As a matter of fact, if you put all three of them together, you would need to put all three of them together.

And I'm still sure, I'm not sure that's still the equivalent of him. Right. Because, Ocho, you say you want regular season wins, you say you want postseason wins, you say you want accolades in the regular season, you say you want accolades

in the postseason. In the offseason, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes Ocho, man, he got a complete resume. There's no holes in his resume. He has no holes in his resume. At 28. He got 850 credit, Ocho. He got

850 credit. He got perfect credit. Yeah, there's really no argument. And you know what we're going to hear sometime this week? Somebody's going to have something to say. Somebody's going to find something. They're going to nitpick and find some way to discredit what he's done so far in such an early point in his career. What's your take?

I just don't know. I don't know what it is. What's your take on Purdy? Did he prove he's a top quarterback in the NFL? I think so. I think so. Again, again, I think he proved he was a top quarterback in the NFL? I think so. I think so. Again, again, I think he proved he was a top quarterback in the NFL. Obviously what he did coming back against the Lions down 17,

that second half, he played miraculous football. Today he played mistake-free football. There were a few throws that he should have been able to make. I think that would have changed the game. And missed Debo on one. Yeah, him and Debo. And I think he missed Jennings too. Didn't he miss Jennings on that whip? They brought pressure.

But other than that, he played a good game today. He played a good game today. Even though they lost, I think this is a great confidence builder for him. Again, he does. The supporting cast he has around him is spectacular. Can you still play that same mistake free football without the elite players around you i think he i think he probably can do

it but what i saw from brock brock today was really really really good football but again he was going against that juggernaut that we call my homeboy though but let me ask you a question did he prove he's elite? Because that was the question. No, no, no. He's not elite. Come on, let's not do that. Let's not do that.

He's a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback that is really good in situate, situate, playing situational football and not making mistakes. But elite, let's don't,

let's, come on now. Come on, come on now. Don't do that. Hey, you preaching to the choir because I said it earlier. Because everybody wanted to say he was elite after he beat the Cowboys. I said, no, he's not. I said, sometimes you could have a great game.

You could have a great season. But that doesn't make you elite. Do we understand what elite looks like? Look at Patrick Boyd. We know what it looks like tonight. Yes. You know, and live in color. Yes.

When you see guys like Brady, when you see guys like Manning, you see guys like Elway, you see guys like Montana, you see guys like that. That's what elite look like. When you look at a Bradshaw, you look at those guys. Did a year in and year out consistently. That's what it is. Not a one. Oh, well,

bro, come on now. I think, look, at some point in time, we got to stop looking. Well, Shannon, bro, bro, you here now. So, I come into the league. I was a seventh pick. I was a seventh round pick, 192.

So, if I say, well, I don't get no better. Oh, well, Shannon, you know, a coach. I was 192 coach. What you expecting out of me? You can't you can't keep using. Oh, Shannon, he was the last pick in the draft. Well, damn it. Hey, we paying you.

And you by the command, you by the command and deserve and earned. Right. A big payday. And you, let me ask you a question. If I gave Patrick Mahomes the 49ers talent, I guarantee you they three-peat. If I gave him Kittle,

if I gave him IU, if I gave him Christian McCaffrey, would that offer him the line? Three? Man, they might, man, they ain't losing. Let's just say they not losing.

I'm going to flip it. You know what I'm going to do, Ocho? I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes and I'm going to put him on the 49ers. And I'm going to take Brock Purdy and put him on Kansas City. So where do you think Kansas City going with Brock Purdy? Listen, Brock is good.

They will be efficient. But if you switch it and you put Mahomes on the 49ers, it will be a deal. They would have scored 45 tonight, man. They would have scored 45 tonight. Listen, Shanahan would be in a

position where, you know what, I just want to put the game on Mahomes' shoulders. Yes. And just let him be surgical out there. They could throw the ball 65 times. And Mahomes will make a mistake. With that offense, man, shit. That'd be a sight to see, boy.

That'd be a sight to see. Not saying that Brock is not good with him because he is good with him, but I don't think they ask him to do that much because of the talent he has around him.

Absolutely. Just get in their hands and let them work. He made some big-time throws. I thought that fourth down throw to Kittle. There was a third down throw to Jennings that he made.

There's a couple of big-time throws that you need to see. That out. That out to the Kittles? Yes. On fourth down. That ball placement is important. Yes. Because you know if you leave that behind a little bit, you know where it's going, huh? To the house. Oh, that's going to

the house the other way. Yes, yes. Very important. Oh, yeah. And you know, Baker's booked up, so I'm glad he had reservations for six. And they were all arriving at the same time, because you know, when you're boarding on shore at the same time, you can't be seated. Uh-huh. Yep. They were arriving at the same time. Because you know when you're partying on showroom at the same time, you can't be seen. They were arriving at the same time. Best analysis delivered by the time you get your coffee.

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