Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Chris Paul PACKED UP and SENT HOME by Clippers + Giannis gets BLASTED for UNFOLLOWING Bucks instead of asking for TRADE
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Let's go.
Chris Paul, time with the Los Angeles Clippers.
I guess they say the second time is not better than the first time.
Paul was sent home by the franchise late last night
in the middle of a five-game road trip.
CP3 rode on IG.
Just found out I'm being set home.
The Clippers did.
then are now saying that they had released Paul saying Chris is a legendary clipper and had
a historic career. But I want to make one thing very clear. No one is blaming Chris Paul
for our underperformance. I accept responsibility for the record we have right now. And there are
a lot of reasons why we've struggled. We're grateful for the impact Chris has made on this
franchise. According to Shams, Chris leadership style clash with the team and he had not spoken
to Ty Lou for several weeks. Per Chris Haynes, Chris Paul
requested a meeting with Lou to discuss perception.
He was a negative presence on the team and Lou refused to meet.
Joe, having played 17 years in the NBA,
had been one of the leader that are a lot of different places.
What do you deduce?
What happened?
And how did it, what seemed promising the second time around,
how did it go so bad so quickly?
Well, Anka-Ocho sounds like to me, I play with,
obviously I played with Tehran, Lou.
he was a point guard here in Atlanta
I had a chance to play with Chris Paul
in the USA in 2006
and I played with him in Houston
that one year
with James Hardin was just unbelievable
and we lost to the Warriors
game, what was there,
seven to the one to the finals.
So I know both of these guys pretty well
Chris
Paul is a point guard,
is very bullheaded, you know,
he is a natural leader.
So if he sees something that he doesn't like
or he don't think that's helping the team, man.
He's obviously going to voice that.
He's going to say something.
You know, he's just one of those guys who can't help it.
But, Ocho, y'all know losing exposes a lot, man.
It exposes a lot.
And when you get in your butt kick night in and night out,
you know, I feel like you have to put the blame on someone.
And unfortunately, you know, it seems, though,
even though they came out with a statement to say,
Chris just has nothing to do with it.
You know, his, our record is why we, uh,
uh, excuse him from the team, but it's just a bad look, man, on a guy who's already,
who is a Hall of Fame point guard who's already said that this is his last year plan.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, what, what was so bad or egregious that he couldn't stick it out this full
year?
Uh, that's yet to be determined.
Obviously, it'll take one of those guys to kind of speak on it, but it just seems like
the unfortunate situation, man.
Losing does a bill character.
It reveals character.
Ooh.
And what transpired, what transpired, let me tell you, let me tell you from a football perspective.
And let me know what you think, Joe.
Yeah.
You see, Chris Paul has always been one of the two or three best guys on a team.
Yeah.
He's an all NBA selection.
He's an all NBA, a defensive selection.
He's one of the top two or three point guards year in and year out.
You see, Ocho and Joe, as you start to slip, your voice is not as loud.
And it can't be as loud.
Yeah.
So things that you would normally say, when you was all NBA, you was all defensive,
you could go to the coach, demand a meeting, and no problem.
You see, Ocho, you know this.
The 53rd man can't get a meeting with the head coach.
The one, two, three, four guy can get a meeting with the head coach.
Yeah.
And you see what transpired?
Yeah, he's saying what's going on, but nobody wants to hear that, Chris,
because you're not the player.
You can't help us get out of what's going on.
This is what I take from, this is what I take, I think, happened.
This thing went awry when they gave up all those picks for Paul George
and they moved heaven and earth to get Kauai Leonard.
Kauai had they won one championship.
You see, Toronto gave up a lot to get Kauai.
It was well worth it because, what, Joe, they won a championship?
Yeah, yeah.
You see, now the Klippers are farther away from winning a championship
than when they were before they even got Kauai.
Yes.
So now we've given up all these pick.
Y'all see what Shay doing on a nightly basis?
Not only did it win a championship, he's finals MVP,
he's a league MVP.
And we had him, Joe.
We had it.
We had a goose that was laying golden eggs and we gave him away.
We made the biggest mistake since Aesop gave his kingdom away for a horse.
That's what happens as you get old, and it happens to all of us.
We all are not going to have the same ability to go speak or to go knock on the boss's door and have a conversation with him.
It will happen to us all.
And that is what happened to Chris Paul.
Chris thought he was from outside looking in chat I haven't talked to anybody I have not talked to anybody so I'm just saying from my standpoint
Chris is looking at himself he's Chris Paul and CP3 in name only not in plate yeah if you can't produce the same way
you can't expect to have the same kind of leeway you can't be that critical mm-hmm yeah because you could be
critical when he was that guy when he was in New Orleans or all these other places when he's
at Houston and he was okay see you could have that yeah when you play eight 10 minutes a night
guys it's tough you don't get that kind of you don't get that kind of leeway you don't have that
kind of luxury that's what I deduce from what happened in this situation yeah hey Joe and
I'm curious obviously with Chris ball with Chris Paul playing as long as he's playing being a
season veteran in the game understanding what it takes to win the clippers have had mishaps
is obviously with the trade which would uh with shay and other things not going right with the with the
quai trade why not why not he not be able to express themselves and say this is what you
what we need to do if you want to see things go in the right direction why would they not listen to him
why would they not take heed to what he's saying does management or do the people in positions
of power have that much of ego are they that prideful to let someone that is put the kind of work
that Chris Paul is done in the league itself
and being successful,
a Hall of Fame at that?
They won't even not just listen.
Ocho, it sounds more like
of how the message is being delivered
to me, if you ask me.
Like, there's a way you can steal lead.
Although he's coming off the bench,
he's trying to be that spark plug,
that lead off the bench.
You know, he can't help, you know,
to get a little emotional probably,
you know, throughout this course of the season,
man, it's been a rough patch
for the clip was early.
you know what i mean i watched him play numerous of times so i know the frustration has set in
like like unse when emotions is high logic is low you know what i mean so they said and had a
meeting he he released this he released the i g uh post at three in the morning and said they were
sending him home from my understanding they was meeting up to that point that's how long it took
for them to kind of get an understanding so it it it ain't just clear-cutting dry that they just
let him go like it was more to the situation that i was more to the situation that i
obviously, that I'll probably never get out to the public.
Right.
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It was a situation, Ocho.
Maybe there was certain,
it's hard for me to believe
this is an isolated incident.
This is a one-time thing.
Right.
Maybe Chris being the vocal leader
everywhere he's been was being vocal.
Maybe he was being a little too vocal.
Ocho, I'm sorry.
A special teams guy is not going to say,
Marvin, I need to talk to you.
And Marvin opened his door.
That's not happening.
You could do that.
Carson could do that.
Von Tess Burfitt could do that.
Mm-hmm.
You understand in the pecking order.
Everybody doesn't.
Bill Davis, Bill Davis, my college coach told me one time,
he told the team one time.
He said, I'm going to treat you all fair,
but I'm not going to treat you the same.
Mm-hmm.
Do it at a chat, do with that what you want.
You know on the job.
The boss might treat y'all all fair,
but some of y'all said,
well, he got favorite X, Y, and Z.
but they don't treat you all the same.
Can I get privileges?
I remember Paul George them had a conversation.
That's what Rob Pat Bound them the wrong way.
Those guys come in late.
We can't start practice.
We can't take off on the bus.
We can't take off on the plane.
Well, that's what happens when you're one of the two star players.
You get listened to.
When you're not the star player and you're not even playing 15, 20 minutes a night,
it's hard.
First of all, the guys are not going to look.
listen to you the same, already, Joe.
No, I did not. That guy,
Ocho, how many times the special team guys say, come on,
Ocho, let's go. You're looking at him like,
if you don't sit your ass down and get out my face,
I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what
I know. Absolutely. Absolutely.
At the same time, you know, I know C.P.,
he understands like, okay, I got a great relationship with James Hart
and I got a good relationship with Kauai Lennon.
He ain't, if it's really something that wrong
or, you know, something that's really messing with him.
I'm sure he'll go to them and be like, hey, look, man,
we got to go talk to the coach.
We got to go to talk to T. Lu.
He'll go to James Hardin.
He'll go to Kauai.
We need to go to talk to T. Lou about this situation, man.
Hey, we got to be better here.
We got to be better there.
I just can't see him going over James Hardin and Kauai
and then just going straight to the source being like,
hey, man, we got an X, Y, Z.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think he has, I know he has more sense than that.
obviously his value and his say-so into this through those dudes obviously it would be heard
you know a lot better as though it's just coming from him so I really I'm not sure what
really got him to this point but like I said man I watched him play a few times and it hasn't been
pretty thank the man getting DMPs healthy scratches it's only a matter of time that is a
pride for man that man has played 20 20 21 NBA season Joe like I said he's a top of
75 player all time yeah that sink in for just a second chat yeah getting healthy DMPs
DMP healthy scratch DMP healthy scratch not an injury not coach's decision healthy
stretch yeah so now it is telling you now I don't like I said I don't know maybe you know
hey y'all need to do this y'all need to do that man it's kind of hard to tell somebody
something when you're not doing it or you can't help us do it yeah yeah but this situation
is bigger than Chris Paul
because the Clippers right now,
chatting, y'all know this,
and everybody that's listening to us know this.
The Clippers are farther away
from winning a championship right now
than when they were before they got Kauai.
Kuwait injuries have harmed this team,
giving up all those draft picks.
Do you know, Ocho?
Yeah.
That the OKC Thunder still get the Clippers
number one draft pick in 26?
Mm-hmm.
Think about that.
All those picks they got,
they built this roster.
They built a team that's set for the next decade.
Yeah.
Thanks to the Clippers.
Clippers.
Thanks to the Clippers.
Yeah.
They miss big time, Hunt.
This is more than a miss.
I'm not sure I can think of another word, you know, to definitively scribe what the Clippers
did when they let Shea go.
And I, I asked, I mean, Joe, I asked this earlier, most of the time, if you can see,
you know, scouts and gems, there's a visual where you can tell a player special because
certain players look better than the other players, even if they're young and they're
and they're just coming to your team.
You can already see the promise and the potential in them.
So I asked, well, how the hell they even let Shea get out the goddamn building anyway
when he's as special as he is?
You're not going to tell me, oh, he's with the clippers.
And he's like, ah, you know what?
I think we can do without this individual.
And then all of a sudden he goes to Oklahoma and looks like he does now.
One of the best in the league.
Oh, Joe.
Maybe one, depending on who you got damn ass based on preference,
on the position and play you actually like.
So what the hell was the clip was looking at?
They didn't see this, bro.
They knew he was all this.
They knew he was going to be special.
They knew Shay was going to be special.
But, Ocho, I promise you, they ain't see this, bro.
They didn't see.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I didn't see this.
I thought he was a hell of a player.
Right.
But the mega stardom that he's jumped himself into,
the consistency that he plays with
and being reliable night in and night out
with 30 plus points a night,
obviously the won a championship,
looking like they're going to repeat.
Yeah, they ain't, they ain't, they ain't, they ain't seen in this.
Hey, uh, man.
Hey, um, man.
Man and boys 21 and one, man.
Yes.
21 and one?
He couldn't be this.
You know why he couldn't be this?
Because he wasn't going to be number one with Kauai.
You see, he's the unquested leader in OKC.
Yeah.
So now, if you bring Kauai in,
Kauai got to get the ball.
Yeah.
Kuwai,
no and kawai made it let it be known if you don't make this deal to get paul george i'm going to sign with the lakers
and anthony davis and lebron james and if you're the clippers you cannot allow that to happen
because they already had lebron now they got another superstar and anthony davis to pair with him
and you want them to get a third one hey and not only that uncle ocho kawai and and paul george are two
la kids they're in california so yeah i'm sure they're
they wanted to do anything they could to make that possible because I'm sure they thought
they was going to win a title.
Now, I think with Shea, with him being traded, it put a little more off in him to be a better
player, to be a better leader.
You know what I mean?
Like, okay, they traded me.
I bet.
I'm going to show him.
So I think a lot of that is kind of oozing him as well.
And from getting traded, bro, you learn a lot about a lot of people.
And not only that yourself, I think that helped catapult him into a start.
He's like, all right, every year I'm going to continue to get better and better and better.
Next year, you know, now he's won the championship.
Now we're working on our second one.
You just, you don't, you never know how things play out if he stay in L.A.
You know, if he's complacent.
If, you know what I mean?
It's just so many different variables that come in, that come into play.
It's like, bro, ain't no way y'all could have seen this man.
No, he couldn't.
He wouldn't have been what he is because he wouldn't have had the ball like he does.
He has the ball.
So you mean to tell me you're going to bring Kauai and give him all of that.
Make all those concessions and you think you're going to turn that ball over to somebody else.
It's not going to happen.
No.
It's not.
Nah.
And so now he was able to play free, Ocho.
Look at everybody knows.
Who's the number one guy on OKC?
Shee.
Okay.
J.
Dub.
Okay.
Chet.
Everybody else falls in the line.
Right.
But there's only one.
You can't, you got to have a pecking order.
You know, that was kind of what happened in OKC.
see wasn't a joke.
Yeah.
We came in the rant and Russ, you see?
And James Hart.
You see what happened?
Yeah.
Now you have no issue.
Ocho said, no.
I was like, look here.
It's like your girl said, look, you know, you know there's a possibility.
She said, but if you don't do what I ask, I'm going to move him in.
I'm moving in with him.
And we're right next door to you.
Right.
That's what the clip was under the gun, Ocho.
What choice did they have?
You got LeBron James, you got the biggest name in the NBA with the biggest
franchise in the NBA and they just got Anthony Davis.
Yeah. Yeah. So now you have no choice to give him everything that he's
asking for. I want this. I won't that. I want this. Okay. Okay. And if you don't,
he told him flat out, it's been reported that he told him flat out. If you don't get Paul
George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's crazy. So now he got
hurt. They got to the, get into the championship game. He get hurt.
You remember the game, Ocho, no, I mean, Joe,
they beat Utah.
Yeah.
If they got, if they got, and then Kauai gets hurt.
Yeah.
They have, remember that first game against, uh, Phoenix,
Kauai goes Haywai.
Yeah.
He gets hurt in that series.
Yeah.
Damn.
That's the only reason why they lost, that series, I think.
If he wouldn't have got hurt in that Phoenix,
because Phoenix went on to the finals that year.
Yes.
If they ended up losing to Milwaukee,
but they had a 2-0 lead
and then lost 4 straight.
Yeah, so.
But I just think the thing is for me,
looking at it from the outside,
looking from outside and,
I'm not inside looking out,
being a player and an older player,
I get a prime example.
What's going on in Pittsburgh, Coach?
Ann Rogers.
The quarterback said guys,
they ain't coming to a meeting that he called.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, he's saying,
Hey, you know, we ask guys to come by.
Let's be critical of ourselves.
Right.
Hey, that's crazy.
I mean, just, just thinking about it.
What Chris Paul does accomplish.
Yeah.
Being a 70, being a part of that 75, how you say it, 75th anniversary team.
75th anniversary team.
That means he's one of the 75 greatest players of all time.
A definite Hall of Fame.
still doesn't have the weight
despite not being as valuable as he once was
where his word means nothing at this point
and that's crazy.
I give you another example.
Look at Tom Brady.
Tom Brady was the oldest player in the locker room,
but what was he doing, Ocho?
Producing at an extremely high level.
You see, Chris Paul wasn't producing at that level
to have that kind of bull, that megaphone voice.
Yeah.
You see?
I'm just telling you how it goes.
Yeah.
And people say, well, what did they know?
But I was still producing at a high level.
I was still right there.
I was one or two on the team lead in yards and catches.
So I was still producing at a high level.
Chris Paula, 12-time All-Star, six-time Steel Champ,
all-rooky defensive, nine-time all-defensive,
75th anniversary team, five-time assist champ,
11-time all-being, NBA,
2005, 6th, a rookie of the year,
2012, 13, All-Star Game MVP.
So the resume, but you got to update that resume, Ocho.
Yeah.
Where was the last time you saw,
when the last time we saw him in the All-Star game, Joe?
It's been a while.
Well, he's like, he likes second or third in the history of the game and assists, right?
Uh, he might be, I think he third.
I think he third behind Stockton and Keyed.
Okay.
Hmm.
That's crazy.
It is funny.
It's funny.
it's funny this happens all the time just not in sports
in life in general
okay he passed he passed
he passed j keith he's second now yeah yeah
that's crazy that's a hell of a feat there boy
yes yes
oh that's crazy boy so hold on
hold on joe hold you know look
you was what you had accomplished at at Atlanta
that's Atlanta yeah when you
go into a different situation, you move very, very differently.
Every different situation you went into until you found out the landscape of the land.
Yeah, sure.
You just can't be that same person.
Yeah, you're right.
Unless you, unless you that guy.
Let you, LeBron James go to go to Miami.
He tried to take a backseat Dway say, bro, in order for us to do what we need to do, you got to be you got to be him.
You got to be you goes back to Cleveland.
It's a no-brainer.
He takes over.
Maybe that rub some of the guys the wrong way.
He goes to L.A.
Well, he's the best player on the team.
The best player on the team coming in, it's understood.
What's understood doesn't need to be explained.
But when you, what, not the first, not the second, not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth best.
And another mistake they made, they keep making a mistake after mistake and they keep compounding it.
You gave up a Norman Powell, who really should have been an all-star last year for Bradley Bill.
Bradley Bill done for the rest of the year.
That boy averaging.
Oh, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
The season just started.
it ended for him
it's over he heard him
I think he hurt his knee or something but he's done
I think it's his hip
yeah hey Norman Powell
that everything about 24 25 a game in my
absolutely
absolutely
damn yeah
you see when you make a mistake
Ocho and you compound it
yes
you brought
I'm trying to figure
I just Joe helped me understand this Joe
they saw him in that situation
in
Phoenix.
Book and KD.
He couldn't be third fiddle.
You know what?
He'll be a better third fiddle here
behind Kauai and James Hardin.
I think what the Clippers were thinking,
okay, we bring Bradley Bill over.
He still got some youth in him.
He's a little younger than Hardin and Kawh.
Kauai going to miss a lot of games.
We know that.
We're going to need a guy who can step in
and maybe get us.
Huh?
I say a guy that can step in and score.
Yeah, we're going to need a guy who step in to give us 18 to 25 a night.
I think that's what the clippers were banking on.
And obviously, due to injuries, man, he, you know,
he just ain't been able to, Bradley Bill was never able to deliver that for the clippers.
So it put them in a tough bind.
Hardin has been playing great all year.
But it's been hard because outside of Zubak, you know,
when Kauai does play, you know, he does give them great minutes,
but they don't have no chemistry continuity.
You can kind of see it when they play.
You know what I mean?
so uh and it's just it just hasn't worked this year for him man damn it hasn't it hasn't but
joe i'm trying to figure out how do they expect somebody to get healthier as they get older
look at brandy bill's history the last couple of years he's been hurt i know aunt they try they
they were optimistic they try to give him a try it's like hey listen okay we we we understand
that he ain't performed well in phoenix but we're going to give him another chance look this chance
we're giving them it ain't going to really cost us
nothing on top of that we try to bring in CP because if not then you got to pay Norman Powell
max dollars to stay close to max dollars to stay so I think they were trying to avoid that too
so yeah they were trying to cut corners and Powell has gotten better and better and now you see him
when Tyler Hero was out he was cooking cooking I mean hey he can take you off the dribble he can
spot up he can shoot the three off the
jump, I mean, and now he got, they got Tyler Hero back.
It's just, it's, it's just been one thing after another for the Clippers.
And unfortunately, I, I think that window has slammed shut with Kauai because Kauai is never
going to give you enough games, Joe.
Yeah.
To amount to anything.
And then when you least, he can't play back to backs.
Yeah.
And in the playoffs, you play in every, you play it every other day.
Yeah.
So what you said.
After you get past game three.
It's time, it's time to blow it up.
Get some draft capitals?
I don't know.
You got, how many more years because,
how many more years they got on Kauai
because they just gave Kauai a new deal?
Man, they, you gave Kauai a new deal.
You walked away from Paul George,
which looks like a good thing now
because they wanted to do a three-year deal.
Paul wanted that extra fourth year.
Philly's going to be kicking their own self in the ass,
but Philly's going to be kicking themselves in the ass with Joel and Bid also,
because he got damn the $200 million
in the next three years coming.
But go ahead.
Philly, Philly ain't got a,
they got a,
I blow it up.
I'm building around Maxie and Edgecom.
They got a decent problem
because they got some young boys on their team
in Philly who can go get it.
When them beat and Paul George ain't playing,
they got some boys out there who will go get them.
Max and Exeter.
Yep.
I enjoy watching them.
Edgecombe.
What's the guy that?
Like come out of Rhybexie, come off the bench, Maxi.
Yo, you're Quinn Grimes.
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they got some promises.
They got some promise over there.
The club is going to have to do something, man.
I don't know what they got to do.
You got to do something.
Hey, what's the issue?
I know Joel Embed is his knee.
His knee is bothering him.
Yeah.
With Paul George, Paul George, need to.
Yep.
Yeah, I think he had a procedure.
And I think he had a procedure right for the season started to,
Ocho, which kind of set him out some more.
Okay.
And the thing is, you got, you got.
Two more years.
And damn near,
I think he signed a four-year,
$212 million.
Yeah.
So you,
you see what you,
you see what you're looking at,
right, Ocho?
You're looking at about $50 million a year.
Yeah.
Joe L. M.
B. got three years,
almost $200 million.
A guy, he's out.
Can't play back-to-back.
They have already seen.
Joel and Bid is not playing back-to-back.
Guess what?
He's getting older.
He's getting heavier.
Like I said,
I've never seen somebody get healthier as they got older.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Kauai,
Kauai needs bad too, huh?
What, bad, worse than mine.
Hey, hey, look, look.
The only difference is I'm 57.
He's not even 37.
Hey, a wise man once told me the older you get, man,
the lighter you got to be to play this game.
This is a young man's game.
This was Pat Riley when I played in Miami, Ocho,
for a couple months.
Me and him sat out, he was like,
Joe, the older you get,
the lighter you have to be to play this game, man.
This a young man's game.
Right.
Ocho, remember I told you?
As I started getting older to the league,
I got lighter and lighter.
Lider and lighter.
All of a sudden, it was 232, then it was 231,
then it was 29, then it was 28, then it was 26.
You see?
Yes, sir.
Hey, Ocho, I always tell people, man,
the older that we get,
the harder it is to play the games that we love,
because we have to work a lot harder
than somebody who's younger.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
Like, as we age and you get in your 40s,
you're 50s, just to gear up for a basketball game,
Hey, man, you can't be out there playing.
You got to stretch, warm up.
You got to make sure that body rifle you put on that freeway.
So I get it.
You got to, Joe, you got to, two things need to happen.
One of the other.
And sometimes both, you got to work out harder and eat less.
Sometimes you got to do both of them.
You got to do both.
You got to do both.
Can I do one of the other?
Do I got to do both?
Or B-O-M-F, both.
Now, listen, there ain't no way around it.
You got to do both.
You have to eat less and work out harder.
That's the way it's going.
Like, your training has, I tell my son this all the time,
I know he's a lot younger, but I tell, I say,
man, your training has to be far harder than the game itself.
You know what I mean?
So when you do play, you can make it look easy.
You know what I mean?
If you're training hard and going hard, sweating,
you got your heart rate, like, that's what you want.
Because when you touch the floor, the court or the field,
man, you want to do that.
look easy, bro.
Yeah.
Joe, y'all did him bad at night.
You know, they're in Atlanta.
Hawks fan erupted.
Where's Chris Paul?
Oh, man.
Where's Chris Paul?
Oh, he's from right up the street, North Carolina.
I bet there's a lot of people that they see him play tonight.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Damn.
I think they did a number on us tonight, too, didn't it?
Uh-huh.
I think they did a number on the Hawks tonight.
The Clippers did.
I don't know.
I know, uh...
Yeah, man, they got us $1.15 and 92.
Damn.
Damn.
Man, Jalen Johnson
had been playing out
his damn mind, though.
He didn't play tonight.
That was the problem.
Oh, okay.
Now it makes sense then.
Yeah, that boy, man,
he's been bawling.
He's going to be an all-star of shit, too.
Yeah, he played like an all-star.
Oh, man.
Them young guys are really doing a number, man.
They are.
They got some guys out there that's playing hard,
but I don't want people to lose sight of
trade not being out there, man.
He's definitely going to be needed
because he, to me,
Uncle Ocho, he's the it factor.
He's the guy who can win you a series,
who can get you to the next round.
Like, yeah, it looks great now, you know,
throughout the regular season.
We winning games.
But, man, look, when he gets nut-cutting time,
you know, we need a guy who them been there
and know what it takes.
Right.
Like, Jamar Murray had a monster game, Joe.
He had 52 points.
He was 19 to 25 from the floor,
10 of 11 from the 3.
Hold on, 19 for 25?
Yeah, man, 52.
Hey, boy, he was efficient, didn't I?
Hey, um, when, when, Uncle Ocho, when Jamal Murray playing like that, it's going to be hard.
Oh, they, they hard, you can't, you can't beat them.
You can't beat them.
Because look, yoke is still at 24 points, 8 rebound, 13 assists.
So he's still going to give you his triple double.
Now, if you get somebody chip in that's going to give you 40, 50, it's right.
Think about it.
Aaron Gordon's out.
Aaron Gordon, go look back and look at Aaron Gordon since he got there and they won the championship.
He's been better shooting the ball from outside, playing.
outstanding defense. He's that third option. And had he not got, it had been very interesting to
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Joe, I ain't got no problem.
Yeah.
Guys wanting to leave.
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is taking shots at guys when they leave.
You know, I remember when Yonis said,
I don't want to go.
where it's and team up with somebody else.
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Yeah.
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when he went to Miami.
Everybody, I ain't calling no name,
but everybody has something to say.
Yeah.
And I be damn, if everybody that has something to say,
look at, be careful, you'll become the very thing.
You despite, my grandpa used to always say this, Joe.
Be careful, boy, you'll become the very thing
you despise most in a person.
Yeah, yeah.
Because you, hey, because you know he won't out.
You hate a lie, you'll become one.
You hate a thief, you'll become one.
You hate a cheat, you'll become one.
Be careful, boy.
You'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person.
Now look at him now.
But, uh, but, uh, he frustrated.
He frustrated.
What you think LeBron was?
But everybody had something to say.
Right, right, right.
Joe, oh, Joe, I ain't got no problem with guys wanting to go.
None whatsoever, right.
But guess what LeBron did?
Guess what KD did?
Now, they traded KD.
I don't know if KD wanted to go.
LeBron played every last contract out.
He was done with Cleveland.
His contract that ended, he went to Miami.
He gave Miami four years.
He went back to Cleveland for four years.
He's been in LA, now seven, eight years,
played out every last contract.
But everybody took their shots.
I don't go, I don't want to team up with somebody else.
I wanna be right here.
Okay.
Yeah, right, listen.
Now he want to go to the buck.
Now he want to go to Knicks.
What's the Knicks got?
Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, McCall Bridges, O.G.
Anonobin, Mitchell Robinson.
Now, obviously, you're going to have to get some of those guys up.
With I bet, damn, you're honest.
Hey, the funny thing about it is, it's easy to say all the right things when you're winning.
It's easy to say all the right things when you're happy.
That's the easy part, Joe.
Yeah.
Huh?
Yeah.
I mean, it's easy to smile and look at other people that you see bouncing around and doing things
that God damn it doing things that you wouldn't do come Elgado doing things that you
wouldn't do because I'm gonna just go to my laptop camera man I'm sick to turn this thing
off off and home I know KD was not traded to the Warriors KD was traded to the
was traded to Phoenix and was traded to the rockets so he was traded twice chat yeah go
ahead no I was finished I'm just saying I mean every everyone everyone when things are
convenient you know when the opportunity you're in at that moment you're happy well god yeah you're
gonna say everything under the sun when you see someone else doing something that you probably wouldn't
do the many things go sour for you and inside your house starting to stink what's the first thing
you want to do oh man i got i got to get up out of here and you forget about everything you said about
somebody else that was doing the exact same thing you're ready to do you ready to get this
It's stinking house could this smell.
Sitting at the joke.
What's that?
Sending at the Joe.
As for him to see you this thing with Yonis injured this cat.
Did you see when Yon is injured this cat tonight?
Yeah, he just went.
Yeah, he just went down.
Ain't nothing wrong with him.
Ain't nothing wrong with him.
He ain't played.
I'm true.
They won, but he didn't play but like three, four minutes.
Yeah.
But I want you to see this Joe.
Tell me what you're thinking.
Okay.
It was a non-contact, a non-contact.
I don't know.
What you're trying to say, uh.
No, he just, he just,
He went down.
He went down.
I didn't want you to look at it.
Joe, that's all I said.
I want you to look at it.
Ain't nothing wrong with him.
Hey, listen.
But what happens when they girl on Instagram started taking them pictures down and her
and her boyfriend?
Oh, it's over.
It's a rap.
It's over.
It's a rap.
Ask that she sent it to you on IG.
Okay.
It's over.
And that's the thing.
That's why you.
hey look y'all need to be first of all you need to be really really locked in to start posting
y'all date somebody y'all go out of one day and you already got him up my heart my rib my backbone
god gave me everything i asked for and a week later i guess god took it back
damn why it ain't showing up okay what's this on uh x you sitting on twitter
Yes, you sent you a Twitter link on Instagram.
Damn, it ain't sure enough.
Joe, yo, Joe don't know how to work technology, huh?
Oh, he works to be, uh, Ocho.
Cheer, cheer, cheer, cheer, cheer, cheer, cheer, cheer.
Hey, look, I am about as bad as long, though, for real.
I'm trying to figure out, uh, I'm trying to figure out
when these guys be coming up with these injuries now.
Everybody getting calf strains, Ocho.
in the NFL, the NBA, MLB.
I'm like, damn.
Yeah, but don't know about, listen, you know what?
Y'all made a paper machine.
Listen, I ain't even fin to say nothing, man.
I ain't even fined to say anything I say something.
Everybody laugh and tell me, be quiet.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hey, hey, hey, hold on.
Because that's a non-contact injury.
And he's just like, didn't nobody touch him.
He just went.
You know, you know what it is.
frustrated, Joe.
I know it is.
Amen.
First of all, when you start hearing rumbling,
when you start hearing rumblings about somebody in a relationship,
Ocho, it's just a matter of time.
Because somebody doesn't say something to somebody
and somebody to put that information out.
Yes, sir.
Hey, this might be a little more serious than what we think, though.
Okay, Ocho.
What?
That injury?
That ain't no injury?
Oh, you're talking about it on the inside?
No, I'm saying like, he's...
Oh, Joe, but here's the thing, Joe.
Let me ask you this.
You go down like that, and the train.
training staff don't come over your teammates come help you up come on joe you know what that is
i can i could tell you what i could tell you what that is i just said joe when you went down
did they did the training staff come or did your teammates come get you yeah yeah can i can i tell you
what that was hey joe can i tell you what that was joe what's that man i don't want to risk injuring
myself and lessening my trade value so i'm going to go down and pretend that
have a non-contact injury until they get this trade in place nah that i'm sorry man i don't see i don't
think yonan is moved he don't take me for that type of guy now allow me the right to be wrong
well jo i just told you inside the house it's smell right now i don't want to be inside the house
while it's smell that man worked too hard bro he i don't see that man just giving up on their team like
that i think he i think this injury is a far more serious than what we can anticipate right now
Joe, Joe, you don't want to bet none, Joe.
I'm telling you, Joe, you got to understand.
Most of the time, most of the time, when you see an individual like that, of course you wouldn't see him.
They said it's a calf.
Of course he worked on.
Ocho, they're going to do an MRI.
They're going to do a full battery of tests.
They said it was his calf.
They said, I guess they said the tenant is intact.
Yeah.
Yeah, they said it was a calf strength, Ocho.
So that's what we got to go by, you know, a lot of people like it, you know, sometimes,
when guys want to get out of a situation.
But I agree with you, Joe.
I don't, Yonnes doesn't take me for that type of a guy.
But he doesn't take me for a guy that wanted to be moved during the season.
Exactly.
What Shams and what a Wendy, Brian Windhorst is saying,
that he asked to be moved before the season.
Yeah.
So if what they're saying, if what they're reporting is true,
that he asked out during the season because they got him Dame in that situation that were.
They bought Dame out.
Yeah.
Now, here the thing, Miles Turner, he signed with Milwaukee to be with Yonis.
He ain't there two months, and Yonis won out.
And now he stuck.
He could have stayed in Indy.
Well, listen, if he already told you before the season, look, man, I want y'all to trade me.
Y'all didn't do it.
We went with it.
I'm not going to give up on y'all, but I still want y'all to know.
Look, I don't wipe my Instagram clean with y'all, y'all.
So that's one sign.
That's one sign.
That's one sign.
Now, next side is going to be, I'm just going to have to.
going to come public and tell you, I ain't looking.
No, he won't doubt. Now, he definitely don't strike me
of that type of guy. Yeah,
I'm saying, if he really want
to get out of there, that's how he's going to be able to get
out. He's going to have to, he's going to have to voice it.
He's going to have to say, let me ask you a question
though. Let's just say he wanted to go
to the Knicks. You're going to have to give up Carl
Anthony Towns. You're going to have to give up
McHale Bridges. You're going to have to give up
O'G. Anobo. You're going to have to give up
draft picks. Is him and Jalen Brunson?
Jailon needs the ball. Yonis needs the ball.
Is that enough? I think
If you're New York, you try to find a way
to keep Brunson and Kat.
All right, no way.
I say you want to try to find a way to keep them to.
Because if you can keep them to and him,
now we're just kind of stay out there on the three.
He wants to shoot threes anyway.
You know, but you've got you a great rim roller,
lob thrower, downhill guy,
but you're going to probably have to give up McHale and OG.
like you you're going to have to
give up both for them and you're giving up Kat
because I need a superstar
and I'm not saying I think Kat's a star
I don't think he's a superstar
but you're going to have to give up Kat
wow man oh
I think McHill Bridges is fine
I think OG but they ain't really selling
no tickets like that
Cat was the number of overall draft pick
I got to have him
because and and and with
Bronson and based on the Eastern
conference this year that might be enough now Orlando going to have something to say about
that Orlando's going to have something to say about that when they get von caro back
and the way Wagner's playing the way sucks is playing the way black is playing they got
window Carter oh no no no no they're going to have something to say now yeah Detroit going to have
something to say too Detroit's going to have something to say Cleveland I got to see Cleveland
because that Cleveland do this to me every year Donald Mitchell do this to me every year
he gets me so damn hype and then he let me down it's it's the
In Cleveland, it's more of Derrish Garland for me.
If he can stay healthy and be that guy next to Donovan.
Yeah.
But if he can't stay healthy, Ock,
it's like he'd be out there fighting against four, five different dudes by itself.
It's just, it's too much.
It's too much.
I just, I just think, Cat's going to be a part of any trade.
Now, you got Josh Hart, but I think Kat, Mikhail Bridges, and OG.
I think they're getting those guys.
That's it.
If you're Milwaukee, you.
Yes, you won't care.
If you're the Knicks,
you want to try to keep Brunson and Kat,
and I don't know how you do that
and bring you and Yannis.
But you want to try to keep them to have with him
because just him and Brunson.
Well, actually, I want him by the east.
I'm sending him to the west.
Okay, who got something from him in the west?
I don't want him in the east.
Why would I do that?
And I got to see this man at least four times
a joke?
No, hell no.
He then brought you a championship.
And I appreciate that.
And we played him handsomely.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what else y'all want from because he, he, they're not going, they're not
a championship inspiring team right now.
So, uh, I don't really know what you want from him.
I mean, at some point, you know, at some point, all good things got to come to an end, right?
Yeah, that, that's true.
And listen, yeah, he asked for a trade at the beginning of the season.
And the fact that, hey, listen, the fact that, obviously, we, we all known people.
who you would think would never do certain things
and they do something out of character,
something that's very uncharacteristic
of who they present themselves as publicly.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay?
When this comes out,
and I tell y'all, this is his way out,
that there's nothing wrong with him.
He's going to make sure that he doesn't lose trade value
by injuring himself right now.
I guarantee you.
And I want those apologies for hope.
What about this?
Oh, Joe.
what about to the Mavericks
Anthony Davis and another player
Anthony Dave
Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis
Clay Thompson
in the first round pick
Milwaukee ain't taking that
Milwaukee ain't taking that
okay
no
if I'm Milwaukee I ain't taking that
I'm sorry
well you
hey Joe Ocho you hear what he
said, but he won't the Knicks to give up
Bridges and OG
and keep Kat. So Kat,
Janice and Brunson.
You're going to have to give up
OG,
Robinson,
McHale Bridges, some draft
picks. They're going to want
cat. I'm going to tell you
they're going to want cat.
Yeah, I'm curious
to see how this is going to play out.
They're going to want cat.
This is interesting.
They probably do want them on, but if
If I'm the Knicks, I'm trying, like, you know what,
not to give them up.
Right.
It's tough.
And I think the thing is Joe and Ocho is that we've got to get out of this notion.
Man, Burry would have never requested a trade.
Magic would have never.
Jordan or this one.
It is a new day.
It is a new era.
yeah i never would have thought eggs would cost eight dollars an effing dozen man i never thought
cigarettes would be 10 12 dollars a pack it is a different time you got to think differently
you can't use that same he would have never done yes my grandmother and people's grandmother
stayed through no matter what it wasn't no divorce now a at the slightest i'm i'm out of here
So we've got to stop this notion
Our former great players wouldn't do this
Yeah
Because it's a new day
Social media
The landscape of professional sports
Right
It's different now
It really is
And so
You got involved with the Times
Yonison New York
Would be crazy
Oh my God
Yeah that would be nasty
That'd be nasty
What, Janice and Wimby
With Castle
See, they got some
They got some answers
Yeah
They do
San Antonio got some asses
They got some guys over there
Who Milwaukee wouldn't mind taking
They got a few of them over there
Hey man
Come on man
That's not fair now
What's not?
How are you going to have
Yonis and Wimby
on the same goddamn team
Come on now
Hey man
they got some guys to give up Ocho
who can come over to Milwaukee
and make some things happen.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah.
I think, look, I think they're going to be some guys.
Would I be shocked if Jah got traded?
No.
Would I be shocked if Zion got traded?
No.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not going to be shocked
either one of those guys get moved.
Oh, yeah.
I think both places are kind of like,
yeah, I've seen enough.
John stays hurt, and he ain't learned his lesson.
Yeah.
Hey, Joe, I know, I know where you're going to learn this lesson at.
Where?
It ain't nothing like coming on down here to this military base down here.
He can't play for a wildness bolster.
You hear me?
Hey, you want some structure and discipline?
Come on down here this military base.
Just like the Marines.
We're going to get you right.
Hey, hey, I don't mind the shake up, Uncle Ocho.
You know, I don't mind seeing guys on the move, you know,
especially some of these big names who I think need a fresh start.
Yeah, a little change of senior.
Well, listen, job playing in Miami.
Yeah.
And that's a different animal, Ocho.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't worry.
Listen, I'm going to make sure you stay focused.
No.
Joe.
I tell you what, you went to somewhere that was really structured.
How different was it for you where you couldn't be yourself?
How was different was that for you playing in New England as opposed to Cincinnati
where you got to be Ocho Cinco.
And when you went to New England, you had to be Chad Johnson.
I mean, it was cool. It was cool. It was cool. That experience for me, honestly, being
and I understood my role once I got there, I wasn't that to be Ocho. You hear me, Joe?
Yeah. I wasn't there to be that chat of old where I had the shoulder, the brunt of everything on my
shoulders when it came to us from an offensive perspective. Oh, when I got there, boy, they was
loaded. So in my mind, I'm like, well, what the hell you brought me here for? There's only one
the receiver that I know that went to New England who can play on the outside and was able
to dominate.
I'm about go crazy.
And he's one of the best all time.
And I don't compare nowhere close to that individual.
So I, in a way, I was at peace.
Well, what you want me to do?
Okay.
And I definitely went from the complaint, you know, because I understood.
I understood that patriot way.
I understood that.
So I went in there.
hell you got you got groan like joe look who they got joe yeah they got gronk yeah
they got errinandez they got west welker they got um julian edelman dion branch
it was uh it was one more is somebody else i'm like but god damn you y'all loaded
what man what the hell they trade me here and they got only god damn they got everything
but also but also you want to leave your imprint though you want to leave your imprint though you
you want to contribute you want to be a factor on the squad you know what i mean yeah yeah it
wasn't like you was there like i'm just chilling okay no no no no no no no you know i'm a competitor bro
you're yeah i'm a competitor joe but but joe you know it wasn't going how i wanted to go and boy
i wasn't a goddamn word right hey not not over there huh hey joe i remember i remember randy
said something in the media i think about you know contractions right right on it was like
some contractions about money yep boy joe he was going to
on a 24 hours, Joe.
I'm like, oh, hell, hell, no.
If I'm not mistaken, I think they traded them back
to, they traded them back to Minnesota
and then Minnesota traded him to Tennessee.
Tennessee, hey, Joe, he's coming off
a 23 touchdown season, boy.
Damn.
23 test down season?
And, you know, I would love to be
compensated a little bit more if I'm not
mistaken. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that was after the, that might have been,
he was traded before,
you got to Ocho, so because 2007, 2008,
I think he got traded in 2009 back to Minnesota.
Yeah.
Because remember, Ocho, he sought out,
and then he ended up going to San Francisco.
Yeah.
And San Francisco went to the Super Bowl and played the Ravens.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
This is, but, Joe, one thing about it,
it was a wonderful experience.
It was a wonderful experience.
And I think, honestly, for Jha,
being in that structuring environment,
where it's a little bit more tight-knit,
you know, having someone like Pat Ryan,
who rules with the eye and fist,
it can be a good thing for him
and adding that structure
that he doesn't in that discipline
he doesn't have right now
or that many may think
he doesn't have right now.
Oh Joe.
That Miami culture,
that he culture,
let me tell you something,
they got pre-practice before practice.
Yes, that's what you need.
And if practice is at 11,
pre-practices at about 9, 30, 10 o'clock.
Yeah.
That ain't walking in at 9.
That's ready to go on the floor.
Yeah.
You got D-Wade, U-D.
All these dudes are in pre-practice.
So everybody's in pre-practice.
It's just kind of, it's kind of a heat weight.
It's how it is, man.
It's like, them dudes work, man.
They put the work in, bro.
Yeah.
They ain't looking for nobody who coming in
and you too swagged out to get in here
two, three hours before practice, man.
We're trying to accomplish something.
Nah, he owned that.
He owned that.
You know, that change the scenery, you know,
that's what he won't.
You know, young boy, young boy want to be great.
Okay.
And he know he can't, he can't do what he want to do out there in Memphis.
I mean, Memphis is a great place now.
It's a great place.
It's hard going to an unstructured, being coming from an unstructured environment.
Going to structure.
Ooh.
Yeah.
It's hard.
Yeah.
It's hard, Ocho.
That's why the military, you can't, you can't be in there without discipline.
They get you up out of there.
They're going to break you.
Oh, do you understand?
All the people that go here.
Oh, for the say.
The military, Joe, the army, the Marines, the Navy, you have no choice but to have discipline.
Because one mistake, there is no coming back.
This ain't called the duty.
This ain't called the duty, Joe.
Yeah.
One mistake out there, when it matters most, when it actually counts, you don't get, once you get hit, that's you done.
And then you're responsible for everybody else's life as well.
So you have no choice but to be structured and discipline.
You can't make mistakes.
Like Colonel Jeff, ask Kathy, have you ever put your life in someone else's hand, man's hand,
and ask him to put his life in your hands?
We follow rules or men die.
Yeah.
Hey, I don't even like the sound of that.
That's too much pressure.
I don't even like those expectations in the way it sound, Joe.
Like me neither, Joe.
I don't like the way of sound.
I don't want to be responsible for your life.
Sometimes, Joe, you know, and I'm talking about on a smaller scale
where it's not life of death.
Like in life, football and basketball where you ask the man that's playing next to you
to put his trust in you that you're going to do what you're supposed to do.
Okay.
You ask that man that's on the court next to you, Joe, to put his trust in you.
Yeah.
And you put your trust in him.
You're right.
It's not to the magnitude of life or death, but wins and losses.
And it feels like life and death.
Yeah.
Because a lot of times when you're losing is worse than death because you've got to
to wake up the next day. Come on now. Yeah. Someone's
processed them losses a lot harder than others, bro.
Yeah. You absolutely. More definitely. Yeah.
The more you put into it, the hard it is. Absolutely right.
We understand their casualties, you know, A, but I just, I could have been to the military
because I grew up very disciplined, very structured, so it'd have been nothing for me.
You definitely could go.
You definitely could go.
Because Barty Porter would have it in any other way.
No other way.
Yeah.
Hey, Joe.
Now that on the topic,
obviously keep everything in the context and perspective.
Talk about going to the military, Joe.
You saw a full metal jacket.
I have,
but I can't really remember a lot of them.
You were a private pile.
Probably, a day.
I would have been private pile.
Boy, you put me in the military?
I'm private pile.
I'm messing up.
Hey, I'm, hey, I'm,
few good men. Hey, oh, that's a beautiful movie.
When they ordered the cold red, yeah, the guy, yeah, when, uh, hold up,
Santiago. Yeah, Santiago. You remember when Santiago kept messing up and they ordered the
cold red. He said, you're damn right. I did. Hey, he got, he got to go. Yeah. He had a greater
responsibility than you could possibly fathom. Right. You weep for Santiago. You curse the
Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing why I,
I know Santiago's death while tragic probably saved lives by existing and grotesque and incomprehensible to you save lives.
You don't want the truth.
Cadeep down in places that parties you don't talk about.
You want me on that wall.
You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code loyalty.
We use these words of a backbone of a lifetime spent defending something.
You use them as a plunge line.
I have at a time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide
and then questioning the matter in which I provided.
Come on that.
Whether you said thank you, anyone on your way
or pick a weapon up and stand it post.
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Did you order the cold red?
I did my job.
Did you order the cold red?
You damn right, I did.
So that's what you're up against.
Hey, oh, Coach, when I was in high school,
I don't know about my child,
but you know, they had a, they had a,
They had the Army people that had set out.
Yeah, ROTC.
Yeah, they try to recruit you coming out of high school, right?
Yeah.
No.
They joined the Army.
So, you know, you got your homeboy.
They're signing you up without even telling you.
So them people call me out.
Look, I got people calling my house.
This is Joe Johnson.
Yes, this, him, you know, trying to recruit me to come to the Army, boy, please.
I ain't going on.
Hey, look, I'm my mama's only child.
I'm going to stay right.
And then you wouldn't get, oh, Joe, you wouldn't get drafted because you're the only son.
Right, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
I made sure I told him that real.
But if you got a bunch of sons, oh, well, your ass grass.
You can get out of my line with all this here, boy.
That's crazy.
Hey, I don't mean to go off topic, but you took theater.
You took theater in the arts like me?
No.
How do you know that whole line?
I just have an amazing ability.
to recall information okay i've always had that ability and i think it came from my grandfather because
he put a lot of pressure on us because back then we didn't have no cell phone yeah so my grandfather
would get somebody's number and he would say tell it to them two boys it would be and my brother
yeah we would have he would tell us the guy or the person would tell us the number me and spanking
the number and we'd have to recall it once we got home now there are a lot of times we weren't
going right home we go to somebody's house or we go to something else and by the time he
get home he's like hey boy what was that number such and such told you and we'd have to recall
it yeah so ever since then i've always been able to recall information yeah and that's why like
plays and stuff i could just recall recall it recall it and so i've always had that ability to have
tremendous recall and that's really dope i don't think people understand how dope that is the fact
that you can still recall that moment one of one of the better scenes from that movie oh yeah
obviously the most important scene that everybody recites yeah the fact that you can still
recited after all this time and that movie came out
how long ago
and Tom Cruise
Tom Cruise looked like a damn
teenage in that movie
yeah yeah
if I was able
and you know it's funny
and then just
if I was able to do a movie right
where it's a scene
that's very impactful
and it has a lot of meaning
to it similar to that
it's a little different
but any given Sunday
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
when Al Pacino gave that speech
the six inches
remember that six inch of speech
yeah man if I
Like, you know what I'm, matter of fact, that's my homework.
That's my homework is that to watch that movie and see if I can recite it when we do the show Saturday.
He, uh, actually, he followed Mike Shanahan around.
For real?
Yep.
Patrino did.
Yep.
To get rid of that he was at practice.
He came to meetings.
Yeah, how Mike conducted instead of in front of the meeting, how he talked to us and things like that.
Yep.
Yeah.
Wow.
I like that.
Hey, that's six inches speech.
Hey, Joe, I used to play that sometime, you know, obviously before games.
Yeah.
listen to music sometimes my obviously i was more blues classical type dude you know because i
want my mind to be calm yeah so i remember there was a few games i would listen to that six
ends of speech though it just get you hyped up joe it gets you hyped up man i already know
yeah but i just i just had that ability to call information and and it's a it's a blessing
and a curse sometime.
You remember everything
because you know
when you were in a relationship
or you remember everything else.
You can't remember that.
You don't remember where you was.
You don't remember what you did?
Who you were with?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
All I said is that, no,
I mean, you got me under the gun.
Yeah, see, see,
tell me everything I need to know.
Hey, that's not a good thing.
You having that, that's a gift
and a curse now.
The fact that you can recall everything
because especially when it comes
to, you know, having a partner
and she know you know
and don't forget nothing, man, uh-uh.
Yeah.
That's a gift and a curse.
And now you're out here playing,
done.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, look, look, y'all far from crazy,
but you can play crazy.
Like my mom's just telling me,
well, I'm far from crazy,
but I can play crazy now.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, that's what I ask.
Man, he's crazy.
I'm like, crazy.
Like, get a cat crazy or play play crazy?
You could have checked crazy.
That's one thing.
Play play crazy.
I can deal.
What if you're going to check?
I don't want no part of that.
Yes.
Yeah.
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