Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Commanders stun Lions, Chiefs 7th straight AFC title appearance, Kelce GOAT

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to rookie QB Jayden Daniels leading the charge for the Washington Commanders in a STUNNING victory over Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions to advance to the NFC Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and the Kansas City Chiefs defeating CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans to advance to their 7th straight AFC title game, Travis Kelce is the GOAT of tight ends and much more!05:53 - Show start06:35 - Intro08:30 - Commanders v Lions41:45 - Chiefs v Texans(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1992 Jane Daniels threw for 299 yards two touchdowns Jerry Groff had a brutal day and this what concerned me Oh Joe yeah when your defense is a little sus but all those injuries the last thing you can do is turn the ball over and you definitely can't turn it over four times you play double you gave a pick six up you took points off the board with Jameson Williams you gave him a short field to get another touchdown and at the end that took that little interception didn't matter, but you still have four turnovers. Uh, Detroit defense had no answer for Washington's offense.

They racked up almost 500 yards total offense only had to punt the ball once. The commanders will face the winner of the Eagles and the Rams game. The lion's sin season end with massive disappointment And they expect to have a huge turnover. Uh, it's reported that both coordinators are probably going to leave. Ben Johnson being rumored to go into the Las Vegas Raiders. And, uh, Aaron Glenn, potential the Jets or the Saints. We'll see how that plays out. But Detroit, we have to wait another year.

Very disappointing season. 15 wins, a lot of Pro Bowl players on that side on that football team, Ocho. Yeah. But the first Super Bowl appearance for the Detroit Lions will have to wait another year. Yeah. Ocho. Yeah. Hey, uh, let me tell you something, man. Listen, I know the Lions lost and obviously golf has to play better with the defense being held together by duct tape. Basically their third string out there. They have a few playmakers.

That's pretty much it. Obviously golf has to understand in order for you to even have a chance, a winning chance, you can't turn the ball over. You just can't. You can't. That first half of football, I tweeted and I asked, and a lot of people answered, when was the last time we seen a half of football that exciting and that good where teams were scoring back to back?

Almost every, it seemed like almost every series. Now there was- Well, you saw it. You saw it three weeks ago with Buffalo in Detroit. Yeah. You saw it again with Buffalo in the Rams. And I think, I think in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, in 2019... The treats in the Ram?

The treat... I wish football was like that every Sunday. Oh, hell no. Every Sunday. But the fact that we were able to get this treat tonight, and the upset that the commanders put on the Lions was absolutely phenomenal. And I want people to understand how important it is and why teams invest in quarterbacks and why they pay quarterbacks the kind of money they pay.

Because when you get a franchise quarterback like this, it turns your franchise around immediately. Immediately. You have to think, oh, they haven't been in the NFC championship in the past 33 years, the past 33 years, this is the first time they scored 45 points, 45 points, which is a franchise record in the playoffs. Man, I don't even know what to say. I'm so goddamn excited obviously for Jane Daniels, for Commanders fans that have waited

for this, for who knows how long. Who knows how long? Just to have, just to be in contention, just to be able to compete week to week. And now to be playing an NFC championship at the 33 year hiatus is awesome, man. It's awesome. Yeah. You pay double for turnovers, Ocho, but it doesn't matter if the team can't capitalize on the turnovers and when they turn the ball over Detroit, Washington

made them play the ultimate price. They got points out of them. Every time. Except that interception at the end of the first half, Ocho. I don't know. Golf didn't play well today. Yeah. There's no way around it.

He didn't play well. He got Jameson Williams. I don't know why he would throw that pole so flat because the guy's in a trail position. He's going to jet it. If you throw it flat, he's going to jet it. We call it jetting, what we mean is that he's gonna undercut it. Cut it, yeah, every time.

You can't throw the ball that flat, you gotta throw it, you got the whole field. Why you putting no air up under it? Yes! And then, to me, honestly, I think the ball was late a little bit. It was. I think the ball was a little late,

because that's the first thing I tweet, I'm saying, man, that ball is late. Yeah. Yeah. It was. But when you turn the ball over like that, get Jay, Jay Daniels, man. Hey.

I don't know this rookie season that he's having. Look, you know, we go back and talk about rookie season. We saw CJ Stroud have a number eight season. He was rookie of the year. We say RG three season. He was rookie of the year. But for him to do what, because look, we've seen rookie quarterbacks go to the playoffs Yes, sir. If I'm not mistaken, I think Mark Sanchez went to the playoffs. Yeah, but that was a defensive-led football team

We saw Joe Flacco go to the playoffs. That was a defensive-led football team This is an offensive-led football team. Their quarterback is asked to do an awful lot a lot and he's like okay let me do it whatever you whatever you need from me I can have but as a rookie on as a rookie not supposed to be this goddamn good this early do you see his composure on a zero blitz yes three man coming right at him he's sitting just waiting, just waiting. He hit Earth twice. Zero blitz. Yes. I'm like, what the hell?

And I'm just back. Brown makes an unbelievable catch. Terry McLaurin, they catch him with a bomb, they catch him with a blitz. It wasn't blitz because the safety was in the hole, but he takes a terrible angle. Terrible. And McLaurin hit the jam soda, and then he's gone. But Ocho, the thing, we knew this, first of all,

they're a pressure team, Detroit's a pressure team to begin with. Oh yeah. We know once they got the lead, now you've got to take it, you got to take even more chances. Now, hey guys, let's just catch the ball. They miss a tackle. You can hit your head on the goalpost. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. But Jared, and this, this is what really concerned me because Jared Golf can be great where he goes, we've seen him do this, Ocho, go 18 of 18 for a game. Weeks at a time. But we've seen him turn the ball, throw five picks against the Houston Texans. We've seen

him and they win the ball game. We've seen him turn the picks against the Houston Texans. We've seen him and they win the ball game. We've seen him turn the ball over two times, three times in a game and they win the ball game. But you can't turn the ball over against a team that's this explosive on the offensive side of the football. When they got playmakers, when you got Ertz, who's a three-time Pro Bowl player, you got Terri McLaurin, who's going to another Pro Bowl, who's an outstanding receiver,

and you got guys playing exceptional. Brown making big-time plays. Guys running the football, the offensive line. When you have a player like a Jaden Daniels at that position, which is the quarterback position, everybody believes in him. The offensive line blocks a little harder. Guys run a little harder. Guys run a little harder.

Guys make tougher and tougher catches for you because they believe so, hey, I can't let this guy down. I believe in him. The whole team, now the defense like, hey, let's get the ball back. Now all of a sudden it seems like the ball has a magnet in it and it's distracted to the other side of the football. I've said this before, you pay double for turnover. And when you're, I believe Detroit was the better team, but guess what happens on show when you turn the ball over?

That team that you might be better than and you're up here, you pull them up to your level. Even if everything out, even if everything out. Now they're going to tear your ass up. Yeah. And also what I like also with the running game, because Jaden Daniels is such a threat, similar to Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson.

I'm just saying the fact that he has not beef to be able to hold, to be able to hold when he put that, when he put that ball in Ecclest's belly, or he put that ball in Brian Robinson's belly and he, he make them end sit for just a little bit. Allow them guards to go up to the second level and get that block. Then you getting five, six yards apart every time. Okay. And then the end you want to crash down.

You know what? I'm gonna take it and go ahead and go ahead. That's not your responsibility though. Yeah. That's what I don't get. They got it fourth and two. Yeah. Arnold, that's not your responsibility.

You have contained. Yeah. Yeah. Your, that's not your responsibility. You have contained. Yeah. Your responsibility is contained. If he runs for a touchdown on the opposite side, Coach, I don't know what you want me to do. That ain't on you. That's not you. That's why I couldn't coach Ocho. He knows his responsibility is contained.

Right. Why would you take Ocho? I don't give a damn. Hey, I'm going to be looking right here at my gap. Lord, you take Ocho? I don't give a damn. Hey, I would be looking right here my gap No, what about oh, I don't care. They got nothing to do with me. This is my responsibility over here And when you deal with a guy like him or you deal with a guy like Lamar Yeah, one false step the man had a coach left to tell us all the time son if you hesitate to beat Oh, yeah, you take one false step against a Jane Daniel

You take one false step against a guy like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. Yeah, you're beat. It's over You're not gonna you're not going to recover and stop him from getting two yards. That's why they want you to hold contained Yeah, do your responsibility Yeah, nothing in the a gap nothing in the B gap nothing in the backside a B or outside is your responsibility. Yeah. Nothing in the A gap, nothing in the B gap, nothing in the backside A, B, or outside is your responsibility. You abandon your responsibility and you gave up a first down. Now everybody looking at you. Mm-hmm. And the funny thing about it is you got your eyes in the backfield on the fake pitch that's going the opposite way anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway.

What you gonna do? What you gonna do? We're not gonna get there. Chasing me to the end zone to have everybody thinking that that's going the opposite way anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway. What you gonna do? What you gonna do? Chasing me to the end zone to have everybody thinking that that's your guy? That's all you gonna do is chase him in the end zone. They're like, man, Arnold got beat again. Yeah. Ocho, if guys would just do their responsibility,

whatever that is, if you got a gap, Ocho, if that guy comes in outside, that ain't my responsibility. I got the a gap. Arnold has contained. He must not contain means nothing gets outside of him. Is it? Nothing. Hey, Ocho, if I'm security at a club,

I got the front door. Somebody coming in, I don't know what y'all want me to do.. Hey, I'm supposed to be the hell you have somebody back there, right? I got the front door, right? Now what they tell Vera Why the girls always coming? Are you in charge of the girls? Vera? Yeah, I'm in charge of the girl quick So why the money coming up? Why the money coming up? Sure girl you in charge of the girls Are you a hello quick? are you accusing me of stealing? I'm just saying why everybody always accounting for it,

but the money coming up quick with the girls. Arnold, your responsibility, but, okay, now cause DQ, he says I'm going for the death blow. I ain't selling for no field goal. I'm going for the death blow. I ain't selling for no field goal. I'm going for the death blow. I got this hammer in my hand, I got the momentum, and I'm not gonna relinquish it. Maybe if you stop them on fourth down, who knows?

Maybe that takes some of the wind out of their sail. It gives you some momentum, but what do they do? They go in and score a touchdown. I get it. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you gonna find a show

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If you give up a pick six, you throw a pick in the end zone, you fumble, look, like I said, it was four turnovers, he had three, he had three picks and a fumble. That last one, Ocho, the game was basically, I mean, you already, what you're down 14 points, so you're not coming back, you're not coming back anyway. Bro, you cannot play that bad in that moment. You're too much of a veteran quarterback

to be that reckless with the football. And then you, oh Joe, this is why they tell, and I get it, I get Jerry Golf. He's like, this is a big game, this is a vision around the playoff game, let me chase. But you're not used to chasing. So you don't know where those guys are coming from. You see the thing is, once, hey, you and I, somebody somebody get a pick the first thing we do. Okay, where this thing cuz somebody coming to get you

Oh, yeah every time they're coming to get you. So I just need okay. Hey, let me let me Cuz the one time I didn't do that. I got my clock clean Yeah, the first thing the first all I can see is like, yeah Hey, I mean, rule number one, when there's an interception and you on the off of the team, you keep your head on the swivel. Yes, they're coming to pick you off. Hey, listen, you pursue,

but you keep your head on the swivel because you don't know where it's coming from. They can't block back anymore, Ocho. No. But if you bringing your ass to the ball, they're going to knock and you see what happens. The first thing to hit was his back of his head. He never saw Lovu.

He never saw Lovu. He never saw it. And he put his helmet right up in his mofo cheatin'. I'm talking about right to the kisser. And then they said that there should have been a penalty called on that play, but if you have someone trying to make a tackle on the play, why can't you block him,

even though it is a quarterback? He had the chance to stop. It was called the helmet. Oh, cause he went, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, I understand. Yeah. And you know what's funny in Jayden Daniels, also tonight, again, commander's fan, if you're commander's fan, you in the chat,

you should be happy, you should be happy. And I said it when the game was going on, despite no matter who wins this game, if you're commander's fan and you know you have Jayden Daniels, you should be happy and excited for the next decade because you know what's to come. Yeah. There have been five quarterbacks that have made a conference championship

in NFL history in their rookie year. Sean King in 99, Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, Joe Flacco in 2008, Mark Sanchez, obviously, that defense led, that defensive led Jets, Brock Purdy in 2022, and now Jayden Daniels. They, the young bull is special, man. But if you think about it, Ocho, think about the guys you mentioned. Now that 99 team, that team had John Lynch, Rondé Barber, Warren Sapp and Derek Brooks and Simeon Rice Yeah, that's five guys. I mean Brooks in the Hall of Fame. Yeah Sapp's in the Hall of Fame. Lynch is in the Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, I think Rondé Barber is in the Hall of Fame

Yeah, so that's four Hall of Famers. Simeon Rice could easily be in the Hall of Fame He has some issues people, you know reporters don't really care about it, but that's a defensive-based football team. Joe Flacco, do I need to say what they had? Suggs, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. I won't say any more. Look at Mark Sanchez. Look at what that defensive, that's a Rex Ryan team. That's a defensive-based football team. Brock Purdy's team. That was, look, they had outstanding weapons, they played very very very good defense they put so much on jane day jane daniels plate and he eats it all yeah he's better than advertised i thought he could be good but there's always a learning curve and look there's a and the partner season oh we started i don't know oh yo niggas might sneak in there and get some of that, get some of them, uh, rookie of the

year, boats. Yeah. He took a deep breath. Exhale and stepped on the gas. Hold my beer. And they basically, hold my beer. And they, and they look back. Yeah.

This kid is sensational. And he has that, like, Josh Allen is a buildup type of guy. He has that Lamar Jackson acceleration. He's step on it. Right now. Right now. Listen, he's not as fast, but he's fast enough. Yes. Yes. But you got to realize he's thin too. He kind of looked like Lamar when Lamar first got into the league. And see Lamar got into the weight room, started lifting, put on a little weight. He went, yeah, yeah, but he gonna mature, Ocho. He got a 20 year old body. When he gets 23, 24, 25, he'll add a little tip.

He don't need to worry about trying to put on that egg, eating a whole bunch of food and drinking creatine and all that. He don't need to do a trying to put on that egg, eating a whole bunch of food and drinking, you know, creatine and all that. He don't need to do that. You're gonna naturally gain some, get some of that old man weight as you start to age. But there, I don't know what they're not to like about this young man. He can throw the ball, he sees the field extremely well.

He's elusive, he has great pocket presence. Hey, and we know what he is when he gets to ball his hand. And that's what I'm saying, think about it. There've been a lot of guys, like Lamar Jackson or Jane Daniels, but guess what? They never got an opportunity to play in the NFL because they got moved position. Remember, they wanted Lamar Jackson to move.

And I sent you a clip, you remember the clip I sent you? Where I said that he shouldn't move, he should have went higher. Oh, but you know, we'll talk about that at a later date and time. But this kid right here, Ocho, it's amazing. When you put a young man like this, and I call him a kid, so forgive me,

he's young enough to be my kid, we're young and all my kids. But when you take a young man like this, and you put him in an environment where he can flourish, and you move the bull job around with his Dan Snyder, that cesspool, that cesspool of dysfunction, and you put him in a Josh Harris group with Magic Johnson, and they still got, my guy Doug is still there,

and you, where you can thrive, you ain't gotta try to be a rose and grow through the concrete. You can be in a garden and it's lush and it's plush. Yeah. Hey, it's so funny how everything is going right. And it's so hard. It's, it's so hard for organizations to have everything go right from top to bottom. Obviously management has changed ownership, GM.

Then you have the coaches that come in. You got Cliff Kingsbury, who is phenomenal when it comes to coaching quarterbacks, especially dual threat quarterbacks like him. Then you have Dan Quinn. He'll get a job somewhere, Ocho. Oh yeah, most definitely. He'll get a head job somewhere, Ocho. Absolutely, absolutely. Then you have Dan Quinn with his offensive creativity as well. I'm sure, I'm sure he has some- Defense. Defense. You mean defense? Yeah, his defensive creativity as well. And I think that also might save the goddamn commander as well. Well, they sneaking and surprise people because the way they're playing

offensively because of their defensive play, they might sneak in and fool some people, man. Well, we say, look, they beat the Eagles. Yeah. And they're not gonna be in awe of the Eagles. No. If I beat you once, I can beat you again. Yeah, most definitely. It's hard. It's a division rival. Yes, sir. We know each other. Y'all know us. We know y'all. We're not fearful of you guys. I just want you to know. Yeah. We respect you, but we're not fearful of you guys. I just want you to know, we respect you, but we're not afraid of you.

But listen, can you imagine that game? Eagles, commanders, NFC championship game. And obviously we look at the Eagles and what they've done, obviously last week, they scored 22, they scored 23 if I'm not mistaken. I tweeted something, I said playing against the Rams, even though the Rams had maybe I think the 18th ranked offense during the regular season, I kept telling people, this is not about the regular

season. I mean, it's not about the postseason. Everything from the regular season, it goes out the window. New season has started. I said the Rams to score a will, you know, and everyone was focused on, well, in the regular season, they were ranked 18th. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about- They had a lot of injuries. Cooper Cubs, Pukka Nakua, they had some injuries on that side, on the offensive side of the football. Higby was dealing with an injury. He came back,

I think he came back the last two games of the season, their tight end, their fans catching tight end. So they were dealing with some things, old Joe, but if you go back and look at them defensively, you look at Verse and you look at young and you look at Turner, they got guys that can get after your quarterback. They got, you know, good guys on the back. I'm not saying they're all world on the back end, but they good enough. But I like what DQ did. DQ wouldn't got guys that he's familiar with. Hey, be wagged, you know I coach you all of all pro. Yeah, Dorrance Armstrong at Dallas. I had you come on Fowler I had you if I'm not mistaken. I think he had him in Atlanta also. Mm-hmm had him in Dallas

Hey, come on. Hey, he got those two guys those two Alabama boys inside pain and Alan. Yeah I don't know if pain was in there today. I know I saw Allen, but they got some guys in there. You know, you draft Lovo, you get Marshawn Latimore. You've got some guys, you know, they got talent on the different side of the football. Yes, sir. They might not have, you know, they ain't got no, I ain't got no Miles Garrett or anything like that, but they got, you know, they got first round draft pick. Probably was a top five, top three, top four pick. Right. But you know what?

They don't have any dominant players, you know, like a Miles Garrett or a TJ Watt. But yes, they play they play together collectively very well. They play together collectively very well. Everything meshes phenomenally. Well, that's I'm excited. I'm excited to see tomorrow's game. And I don't I don't mean to be going off track and talk about the Eagles and talk about the Eagles and the Rams game, but the Eagles, if the Rams are able to

stop the run, even though the Rams are undersides upfront, if they're able to stop the run and stacking eight, nine in the box, whatever it may be, Jaylen Hurst has to be phenomenal in the pass game. Yeah. I'm going to make Jaylen Hurst beat me. He has to be phenomenal in the pass game. And I'm sure that's what Hurst beat me. He has to be phenomenal in the past game and I'm sure that's what they're thinking on that on that side is we're gonna make Jalen Hurst beat us with his arm. The game that they've won, the game that the Rams, I mean the game that the Eagles have won

is when Jalen Hurst is thrown for 130, 140, 113. It's been games where they've dominated on the ground and I'm sure the Rams know that so what are we gonna do? I'm not gonna let Zekwan Barkley run for 255 again. How about that? That ain't gonna happen. I'm not gonna let him have 302 yards from scrimmage. That ain't gonna happen. Yeah. Now if Jayler Hurst throws the ball for 300 yards let's just say he has an official day he throws for 240. He throws for three to four touchdowns. You walk to the middle of the field, say congratulations. Hell of a job. Good luck next week. But I tell you what I'm not gonna do.

Damn, St. Quentin, you got us again, boy. You hell, man. Hey, you should be, that ain't gonna happen. That's not, my defense ain't gonna be saying that. Right. That's not gonna happen. I'm going to make someone, now it it's different because when you're like, okay, I'm not gonna let Lamar beat me,

well, you got Derrick Henry. I still believe I would force Lamar to throw the ball from the pocket because I let him get outside Ocho. I'm at his mercy. Yeah, every time. I rap, Ocho, what do I do? I let him outside Ocho. If I come up, he's gonna throw the ball over my head. If I stay back, he's gonna get 20 20, he gonna get a running start at me.

Now I gotta try to tackle this mofo in middle, in space. Open space, yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, exactly. Good luck with that. Yeah, exactly. So when you dealing with a guy like him, like Lamar, you dealing with a guy like a Josh Yeller,

or you dealing with a guy like Jayden Daniels, you know what, bro? If y'all beat me for the pocket, take off with it. Because I can't let you have, you can't be, at least I can see you. I can keep you in this little space right here. It's difficult. I mean, cause you're dealing with great players.

Lamar Jackson, we believe he'll be a three time MVP February the 6th. That's when the honors is, and that's when they're gonna announce the MVP. But at least I can keep him in this space. Right. I let him outside on Joe, he throwing the ball to Andrews and likely he got bateman.

We don't know if Zay Fly is gonna be able to play. And now I got to deal with his legs and he doing all this herky jerky stuff and he's starting to stop and he's spinning on me. He got me on his highlight reel. Now he's like, yeah, see, this is why he got, this is why he a 99. Thanks to me. He done juked me, got me on his highlight reel. Now, he's like, yeah, see, this is why he got, this is why he a 99. Thanks to me.

He done juked me, got me on the ground. He on everybody, ESPN, everybody running clips on Joe. Man, you let Lamar do, what you mean let? Hell no, I didn't let him do that. You think I let the man do that? But the commanders, man, I was really impressed. I didn't have them win, I didn't put them on my bingo card to win this ball game. I didn't have them win either.

I didn't have them winning either, just based on what the Lions had done in the regular season and how well they played. That's the only thing, and I've been saying this all year. I'm at fault. Commander fans, if you're in this chat, I apologize. I apologize. I wasn't familiar with y'all game.

I am now. Ocho. But what we didn't, couldn't predict was the turnovers. Yeah. If now, because think about it, Ocho, you gave up seven points on your possession. They, the, uh, the commanders didn't even have the ball and you let them get seven points. Now you fumble the ball.

Now you took points off the board. You ate that was, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think that Pete was on second down. So you got another crack at it and maybe you get a touchdown. At least you're probably going to walk away with three. So excuse me. You took points off the board twice. Yeah. Twice.

And so when you play like that, even at home, okay, and I tell people, in the come playoff time, I would rather be on the road because you can feel it start to slip away and you can feel like the crowd hangs on every plate. Yeah. Like, damn. Ooh.

And it gets. You feel it, you sense it. And it get real quiet. Yeah. Like, damn. Oh, you feel it. You sense it. And it get real quiet. Man. You're real quiet. But hey, I can't say enough good things about what the commanders have been able to do the stable environment that Josh Harris, you know, you know, magic. Hey, Jerry! How you looking? All the quarterbacks that you had, and you ain't been here in a long, long time.

This man did this with a rookie. Think about how many quarterbacks you done paid. And all you do is jam. I didn't know, if y'all don't, if you've never seen Josh Harris, you would never heard, know to heard his voice. Even when they made the playoffs, you heard what he said, he had Magic Johnson under there. He said, hey, you would never heard, nobody heard his voice. Even when they made the playoffs, you heard what he said, he had Magic Johnson under there.

He said, hey, you hire good people, you give them a stable environment and things will blossom. Things will flourish. He ain't say nothing about him, he doing a great job. He ain't say he bought a team to have a bottom occupation. Who pays for a job, Ocho? I pay for the job at ESPN. I bought that seat.

Who says that? Who says they bought an occupation? An arrogant, a very arrogant person says that I purchased the job. Yeah. But okay, you're not doing a good job with it. You're not, but man, the commander, I can't say no good thing about them, Mocho.

That young kid, that young man, they got a quarterback done number five He's everything he's I know they thought that when they drafted him. Yeah, they thought they saw all this I don't know if they saw it this soon. Yeah as a rookie We're in the NFC championship game. Oh Joe. Oh Joe. We had a second pick in the drought year one though That's what I'm saying here. Oh Joe what big changes that they got other than the coach. They look at Terry McClure was there. Yeah Yeah, if I'm not mistaken Zach Kurtz was there. Yeah Is one I'm trying so

Okay, Austin Eckler I was to neck lay he he didn't put up the type of numbers that he did with the charges where he was the fantasy Darling, right? And he made a pro. I think he made a pro bowl or something like that. Oh, he didn't have that kind of. Yeah, they different here though. They use them. Yeah. They got Brian Robinson, Brian Robinson Jr. I think that's his name. The offensive line is pretty much the same.

But the turnaround, that guy. Yeah. Go look at the teams that was in the playoffs. What they got. Every last. Look at the teams that's not in the playoffs. What they don't have. Look at the quarterbacks. CJ, Mahomes, Hertz, Allen, Lamar, Stafford. You got like overall draft pick. I mean, the, the latest you got was Josh was a, uh, Jaylin Hurst was a second round pick Lamar first round of CJ first round. The staff first round of Jane Daniels first rounder Lamar Jackson first round. When you get that kind of stability at that position, everything else becomes

easy when you build around it. Yep. Uh, front office head coach, quarterback changes are all huge for the commanders, but the change in ownership should never be overlooked. Everybody knew Daniel Snyder was terrible. And you know, hey, it's not a surprise. It's not a surprise.

Boy, I sure would be love to be a fly on the wall as he's watching the game tonight. Who are we talking about? Daniel Snyder. You think he was watching? Cause he wouldn't sit his meddling ass down. He stayed in the way. Yeah.

Cause you know him and Jerry, I mean him and Jerry, they were, they were right here. They deal. He wouldn't, he wouldn't stay out of the way. Yeah. Cause you know him and Jerry, I mean him and Jerry, yeah him and Jerry, they were, they were right handed. They deal. He wouldn't, he wouldn't stay out of the way. Right. He wouldn't. Now he far out of the way.

He'd never get another team. They wouldn't, they wouldn't allow him, huh? Because the owners had, the owners had to vote on that. They wouldn't allow him in that circle. Mm-mm. Not, not a, see, they never released a report.

Oh, they knew they couldn't do that because a few of it would have been a few other owners that wouldn't have 18. Yeah. I don't know how you make a deal. Okay, I'm going to hire you to do this, but you can't release the report. You can't release the findings. So why the hell you why the hell did you have?

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For the seventh consecutive season. Crazy, huh? The Kansas City Chiefs find themselves in the AFC Championship game. The Chiefs defeated the Texans 23 to 14. The Texans outplayed the Chiefs on offense and defense for much of the first three quarters. But that Mahone boy is going to fire it away. Yeah, he is. The man, they got him going down.

He supermands it. Finds Kelsey. But I told you, nephew A, he don't have the legs that he once had. Yes, sir. But he's a professional get open guy. That's what Travis Kelsea is now. Can he run like he once could? No. No.

Had he been able to run like he once could, he'd probably have 200 plus yards today, but he can't run like that. But what he can do is still get open. And he can see things, like he and my homeboy struggled this year yeah of getting that connection Ocho. What we have seen them have for the past six years. Yeah. But when it needed it. Oh yeah that Wi-Fi. You know where it going. And they did a great job they doubled up a lot of times Ocho. You see he run the cross the basic cross they got the safety coming down to take it away. They got, they played in and out on him.

But look, check this out. And I said this before and people like to keep saying, Travis Kelsey is the greatest tight end of a play. He's number one in playoff and catches over Jerry Rice. He's 200 yards behind Jerry Rice for the most receiving yards in playoff history. He's two touchdowns behind Jerry Rice for the most receiving yards in playoff history. He's two touchdowns behind Jerry Rice for the most touchdowns in playoff history. Yes, sir.

Tim Probows, he had like seven, eight straight 1,000 yard seasons. No other tight end has more than four. He has seven, eight straight. Remember Ocho, he would have had another one. They sat him out last year because they was already locked into the three season. The thing that's most impressive about him

is great as he is in the regular season. He's even better in the post season. And that's not a knock on anybody. The two top tight ends for me are him and Gronk. I think it's him and Gronk. I'm taking trial. That's not to say I don't like Gronk. I think Gronk is phenomenal.

His relationship with Brady is just like what Trav had with my homeboy. But you can't deny the numbers. Regular season, the ProBows, the All-Pros, the big game after big game after big game. Have you ever left a playoff game and say man Trav let us down man you mean he ain't play good today never that you I mean oh Joe and I'm talking about in the float with the money we shove it all to my a it's finality now the playoffs is all about finality right ain't no a we'll look at the tape. We'll bounce back next week. Next week is eight months from now

This guy Has been money 172 postseason receptions. That's crazy. He's far away. He's not done He has two thousand twenty yards that second all-time. We know Jerry Jerry's the GOAT. Not just because of what he did in the regular season. When you ever see a game where you say, well man, Jerry, man, Jerry let us down in the post season.

Man, please. He's two in yards and touchdown. He's a tight end. He's a tight end and he has a thousand catches and a whole lot of thousand catch guys. What is it? 10, 12 Ocho? Yeah, that's it. Only what I think, I think Gonzo it has the record. He has like 1300. I think Whitten has like 1100 and I think he's the next tight end. He has a thousand I think Gates had like nine. So I think Gates had nine maybe nine something with and then everybody else, you know

it's kind of after me and and but he he for me also and The most 100 catch playoff games in postseason history. Can I interest you in that? Now that's- I tie it in. That's crazy. He's won in most 100 yard games. He's won in catches. He's two in yards.

He's two in touchdowns. And you know what makes most of that possible too long? If you think about it, if he was on any other team, it wouldn't be the same. No. The production, the numbers, you know, the accolades, it wouldn't be the same. No. The production, the numbers, you know, the accolades, it wouldn't be the same. And just the right fit, the right offense,

the right quarterback, the right play calling, the right creativity and everything, the rest takes care of itself. Ocho, he went to the pro bowl with Alex Smith. Oh yeah. We didn't talk about this guy like we do now until he got my homeboy. Yeah, yeah. Let's't talk about this guy like we do now until he got my homeboy. Yeah Yeah, let's be 1000 and he was a phenomenal player. He was good into that. Yes good into he got

I think he's going to 10 straight Pro Bowls. You gotta be good to go to 10 straight. Mm-hmm And there are times that he had a kill had a kettle not had those all-world season He might have been another, he might have a couple of first team all pros. Look at, Brock Bowers had a historic season. But the 10 consecutive provos for a tight end, what he's been able to do, his body of work, when it's all said and done,

I think right now it's just he and Gronk at the table having a discussion. I don't know, bro. Hey bro, we don't need to do, we don't need to discuss it among ourselves. We will let other people discuss it. Yeah. Um, I think it's them too. Um, I love them both. Watch them both.

It's funny. They both got the same number. Uh, both played your, but you'll probably say what it's all said and done, they played with the two greatest quarterbacks of all time. All time, yeah. That definitely helps. But what he's been able to do, man, like I said, he's at this point in time, he doesn't have the legs that he once had.

He's just a professional guy that knows how to get open. Very savvy. That's it. Very savvy. That's it. Being able to read defenses. And the funny thing about it, not only getting open, is him and my home be on the same page and knowing when to settle. Knowing where to settle, knowing where to be at. And every time, man. Never. If you play Kansas City, and if you play a Steve Spagnola defense yes sir the moment he

feels threatened he's coming with the bomb blitz he's gonna blow it up yeah the moment you threaten him he's coming hell I know that how cheese don't know I mean how the Texas don't know that? Bro, they gonna come, if you threaten him, he's coming with the blitz. He's gonna blow it up. He'll throw caution to the wind. Damn that safety in the middle of the field. I'm coming to get you.

Seven sacks, they sacked him seven times. What, they had seven sacks in the fourth quarter? Three by George, uh, no, Carl, Carlophonous, Carlophonous. He, Hey, they got after them. Uh, um, CJ was back. CJ was called them. Look, they did a great job.

Uh, I think, you know what? Carlophonous got him early when he tackled him out of bounds. He kind of tweaked that ankle. True, true. Yeah. Tweet them zangled a little bit. Yeah. Tweet, tweet a little bit. Tweaked the tweaking a little bit. But the thing is with Kansas City, you know this, Ocho.

And I thought Texas did a good job. They didn't turn the ball over. I thought Joe Mixon ran the ball well enough, but they're gonna have to get better on the offensive line. Yeah. That's the next thing they do now, Ocho. They got, look, Tankdale's gonna miss some time, Ocho.

He gonna miss some time. I wouldn't count on him coming back next year, early. I don't know what they're gonna do with Stefan Diggs. If he's gonna take, I don't think, you know, nobody's gonna give him that $30 million coming off an ACL injury, so he might have to take a one-year deal. I don't know if he wants it for it to be there.

I would look at staying there, because I got a really good quarterback. I got Nico Collins on one side. I like Dalton Shost at the tight end. Bro, that's a bull-jive job that you did on that pass blocker. I ain't saying, hey, look here, bro. I ain't saying you got to be Mark Bavaro or Grant or George Kittle. Bro, you can't do that. Yeah.

Or Goomba Wale. That's a bull-jive. Two guys should be able to block. A running back atumbel Wally, that's some bull jive. Two guys should be able to block, a running back at a tight end should be able to block a defensive end. Yeah. Two guys should be able to,

unless it's Reggie or one of these all worlds, LT, something like that. Ain't no way that's it. That was, that was, that's some half, that's some half hearted ass separate. Yeah. That ticked me off. You know what else watching the game?

Obviously, you know, a lot of chirping, obviously from some prominent figures in NFL that are part of the NFL in general, talking about some of the calls that were made in favor of the Chiefs. We hear this all the time, especially around the postseason time. Sometimes it's regular season as well. It seems calls are always convenient when it matters most for them to give them. Whatever it may be, you know, and, um, one of the things that bothered me, that's starting to bother me just a little bit.

I love my home, I love everything they're doing. And just that my homes is intentionally playing with defenders. They'll draw some of these, draw some of these. Oh, he slowed down and the guy pushed him like, bro, you still in bound. Yeah. He's, he went limp. He will. him like, bro, you still in bound. Yeah, he's. And then he went limp, he went, he went limp on the boat, yo.

Yeah. But he was still in bound, bro, get your ass out of bound. No, he's doing it on purpose though, that's what I'm seeing. Yeah, yeah. And it's forcing the ref to throw flags and they get, the refs are starting to get a little jumpy.

So every time, but Mahomes is playing around, he's doing it purposely because he's taking advantage of the rules and knowing that he could take advantage of it. And he flopped in some time. And the late slide, that was a late slide. I don't know what the guy was cause he got the last second. He go down.

Yeah. I don't know what you want me to do. I've already committed. He doing it. I'm committed to lighten his ass up. He doing it on purpose because he knows he can take, he can take advantage of, of the rules. So why not?

Now I'm not sure it's probably too late now But at some point next year the competition committee or whoever whoever the powers may be they need ever Implement a rule now when it comes to that quarterback. Yeah, they don't protect a they're gonna protect him the rule base This is what was told to me When in doubt if it's a quarterback throw the flag. I Don't care if you get it wrong. We will not hold that against you. When in doubt, if it's the quarterback, throw the flag.

Well, I mean, he, listen, I'm sure the chat and the chat, if y'all watch the game today, you know exactly what I'm talking about now. I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm bad. No, the Chiefs are great and all that they do, Patrick Mahone, one of the best ever, but I'm just taking advantage of the rules a little bit. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. We heard the same thing when Tom Brady and the Patriots were winning. Right. It was the referee. We heard the same thing, Ocho. And we saw Tom Brady get a call. Chris Jones hit the man in the shoulder pad. They said he hit the man in the head

He didn't touch his head. Yeah There are a lot of phantom calls it happens. Yeah, they called a Penalty tonight on Montgomery that man ain't touching Montgomery's face man. Yeah. Oh, yeah He had a shoulder pad, but then you know it and because his head went back. Yeah Boom, but you have to understand remember we, remember, we see it in slow motion. Yes! You're meant to see it in real time. In real time.

So it's fast. It looks fast. His head does this, and it looked like, oh, he grabbed his face back. That man ain't just that man face back. Right, you right. You right. And you throw that flag, you shouldn't be allowed

to say face or mask the rest of the year. You right. But listen, man. And I think the biggest call, what got them, is that when Mahomes overthrew Kelsey and Will Anderson hit him in the chest and they thought he hit him in his chin. And they couldn't reverse it. No.

They couldn't reverse it. And listen, Mahomes sold it now. Yes. He sold it. They good. He sold it. Very good. He sold it. What would Brady do?

Every time they would hit Brady somewhat late, he'd turn and look at the official. Yeah. That's what the quarterback... Hey bro, you're not going to do anything about that. Right, right, right, right. But hey... Hey, look at, hey, how many times you ever saw the official come to the sideline and talk to any other player? Like the official went to the sideline and talked to Josh Allen. I

Ain't never seen I had never seen an official come to the sideline and talk to a player now say look Cuz he could have threw a flag all that yelling they threw a flag on Tom Brady one time But Tom was probably MF enough Normally they thought normally they throw a flag on you, you know, you keep yelling, you know. You're like, hey, you need to calm down now. I've seen it a few times. I've seen it with Brady, I've seen it with Josh Allen, and in basketball I saw it with Michael Jordan. Yeah. So that's the thing. Oh Joe, the Texas are the first team in NFL postseason history to outgain an opponent by a hundred yards,

have zero turnovers and lose. Prior to today, teams were 49 and 0 in such games. Special, and boy special, man. They just know how to win. And boy special. And there's an expectation when you've been in this situation, you got to beat them. Yeah. How many times,'ve been in this situation, you got to beat them. Yeah. How many times, it's normally not a, you got to beat, you had to beat Tom.

Convincingly. You had to beat him. Convincingly, yeah. The only thing you don't want to have happen, you didn't want Tom to have the ball with a chance to beat your ass. Woo. Late in the ball game. You want, hey, you want to be taken on the knee because it's the same thing with my home. You don't want him to have the ball late with the ball in his hand.

And I will say this about the Chiefs, Ocho. You get the ball to start your offense on the 13 yard line and you kick a field goal, next week you're going home. You do that against Buffalo or Next week you're going home. You do that against Buffalo or Baltimore. You're going home. Yeah. You're going home. They got the ball again and they settle for another field goal.

Now I don't know what the Texas is going to do with their kicker, but there's a good chance they're going to probably be on the market for another one. Yeah. I'm right here if they need one. I don't know what they're going to do with it, Bocho. Listen, you heard what I said if they need a kick I'm right here. I mean in one of the kicks that first kick wasn't even close. No, oh then it went wide right. Yes. It went wide right. Like what are we doing?

In a game like that we're playing. It didn't even for extra point Ocho. Do you know how deflated that is Ocho? Now we about to tie the game up and I look, yeah bro, hey, nice run, nice run, Joe. Nice run, mix, hey, wanna put him in the blender, mix, blah, blah, blah. And then you like, oh yeah, about to tie this thing up. Oh man, damn. Listen, take the win right out your sails.

Yeah, man. The win right out your sails. I mean, you try to put it, you try to put it in front of us, that's okay, that's okay, we good. No, bro, we up behind. If at the sales. I mean, you trying to put a problem. That's OK. That's OK. We good. No, bro, we up behind. If they don't do anything else, if we don't do anything else, we lose.

Ooh, yeah. Oh, man. Focho, there's been a lot said about the refs favoring the chief. The Texans spoke about it after the game. Let's take a listen to what CJ had to say first. Yeah, those things are tough. I'm not gonna go back and forth on what I thought was a call, what I thought wasn't a call.

And it's one of those things you kind of know what's up before you even walk in the arena and we gotta be better at just being accountable and sound. And some things, I think we had a couple of calls and we were called that I'm begging for, but at the same time it is what it is. You know, like I can't argue with the ref and at the same time play football, I gotta go and do my job.

So yeah, I would say, you know, it's definitely some things that I would question, but at the same time, I mean, they're the professionals, they're getting paid to be refs and you know, they did ultimately their best. And yeah, but you know, that's kind of thing, you know, it's us against the world, you know, when you're playing in these types of environments and games. I got a question. I got a question. Go ahead. If everybody keeps saying the same thing every year in regular season, every postseason, when it comes to the Chiefs,

questionable calls, calls that are always convenient in the scene. They always side for the T's at what point are the people right? And there's not an excuse made every single time. If someone's always saying the same thing all the time, you know, if there's smoke, there's fire. If there's smoke, there's fire somewhere If there's smoke, there's fire somewhere. Everybody can't be wrong about it. The coaches say it, the fans say it.

Sometimes the people in the chat may say it. The people that don't agree are the people that are actually chiefs fans. You know, but I'm just saying, I'm, I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just saying I see questionable things that happen at times that favor the chiefs Did you see questionable calls with Colby? Did you see questionable calls with Michael Jordan? Yes, sir. Okay You saw questionable call with Brady to do so. Oh, so, okay, so, you know what it is. Okay

I just want to make sure we on the same page Let's take a listen with Joe mixing that to say Yeah, it's gonna happen. Okay. Let's take a listen to what Joe Mixon had to say. Everybody know how it is playing up here. You can never leave it into the ref's hands, but I mean the whole world see man like what it is bro, but it is what it is. You know, like I said, when it come down to it, you can never leave it into the ref's hands, man,

and things like that. But it's all good. Big Lombardi, I know Vic, he writes out of Denny's, he said, yeah, I'm done. My home can't get separate rooms. Vic. See? Vic, he's from Denver. Okay, okay.

See? So. I said, everybody can't be blind to the fact now. Yeah. Not everybody. See? So, everybody can't be blind to the fact now. Not everybody. The players say it, the coaches say it, people from the outside that are prominent figures, like I said earlier, in the NFL that have been watching the game for a very long time and they can see it.

Now, I see it sometimes as a former player, occasionally, not often, but most of the time when they do get calls, the calls are warranted when I see it in slow motion. Okay, you know what? The fans might say that's some bulljive, but as a fan me actually as a player and a fan of the game now Okay, that was warranted. That's really a call. Yeah now feel but I thought you but we see we you and I we discuss it every week Bro, I mean the guy land on the quarterback personal file So what you want me to do You want me to lay this more food down? I?

Ain't fit to put I'm not fitting to put him in bed Oh long now you know on sometime and D lineman and D tacos that not only do they attack you when they take it to the ground You know they put all their weight on you too now Yeah, but something but ultra I see guys try to try to enhance Yeah, I ain't trying to drop my weight on him. Right, right, right. And they still throw the flag. Right.

They're gonna protect the quarterback. Every time. Yeah, I get it. And I get frustrated too, because sometimes I see them like, bro, that's not a penalty. I mean, you gotta let the guys play at some point in time. But they have been told,

if there's any doubt in your mind, and it's on that guy, throw the flag. Yeah. guy, throw the flag. Yeah. Yeah. Throw the flag. Yeah. Hey, you know what's funny is even without the damn, goddamn calls in favor of the chiefs, they will still be winning these games.

Yes. Because they will still be winning the game because when it matters most and 15 has the ball in his hands, he's going to make it happen in 99.9 percent of the time And I'm excited for him. I would love to see him three-peat. I would love to see him three-peat I would love it because I would love to see my homes and you're reading because we never go We probably never go see it again. Oh, no, we know we're not gonna see it again We're not gonna see the Steelers at 79 had an opportunity. They didn't get it done.

Dallas had an opportunity. They lost in the conference championship cause they won 92, 93. They lost 94 to the 49ers. They came back and won again in 95. San Francisco had an opportunity. They won 88, 89. They lost in the championship game to the Giants.

In 90. Green Bay, 67, what? 67, 68. They lost the three. We probably never, it's so hard, Ocho. It's so, because this is why you've seen more three beats in other sports, the other major sports, the basketball, the hockey, the baseball, because it's a series.

In football, it's one game, Ocho. One. One bad game. Josh, Jared Goff had one bad game. You going home. It's over. You going home, yeah. Think about it. Michael Jordan first championship, they lost game one.

Mm-hmm. If that had been football, he'd have lost. Going home, yeah. But they went four straight, they had a chance. See, that's why it's so hard. That's why when people say football, because you get one chance, and it's over. Yeah.

Yeah. It's over. You got to show up that and it's over. Yeah. Yeah. It's over. You got to show up that day. That day. Yeah. That day. As much as I'd love to see, I'd love to see my home make history and Kelsey.

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["I'm On My Way To The World"] ["I'm On My Way To The World"] But the thing is, Ocho, I think if he were to unlock this and get there, the pressure, I can see him winning another two. I can see him winning three in five years because the pressure will be off it. He get an opportunity to play free.

Free. You can see, not that he's not playing freely now, but it's a different kind of free. Cause I got that champion show. I got some of y'all can't say, well, he couldn't win the big game. Y'all can never, y'all can say a lot, but y'all can never say I wasn't a champion.

You can't never say I wasn't a champion. And once you become a champion, you get that taste. It's like, that's why, you know, a lot of times animals, they put them down or chill once they bite something because they got that taste in their mouth. Oh man. And boy, hey, Lamar Jackson, he met F around and get a Super Bowl

and now he gonna play free? Lord help us all. Yeah, that's scary. Y'all got hell, I just want y'all to know, y'all got hell on your hands. I'm just putting it out there. Oh, sure, there's a debate taking on Storm on Twitter. Steve Spagnolo has an argument to be the NFL's first ever assistant coach to eventually be

a Hall of Famer. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think he wasn't even Jazz DC when they knocked off Brady. He was? I think so. And check that, wasn't he? I think so. Alright, check that. Wasn't he? I think he was. Yeah, I think it was Spags. So this, he's got five.

So if he was the Giants, if he was the Giants DC. Oh, so 07 and 08. So he got the first one with the Giants. He wasn't there got the first one with the giants. He wasn't there for the second one. Okay. He got the first one with the giants. Think about it. He pulled the biggest upset in NFL history.

He's a defense Tom Brady. And at that point in time, they had scored the most points in the single game, they had the highest scored average. Yeah. He held them to 17 points below their average. Brady was the first ever unanimous MVP. 50 touchdowns, eight interceptions, 4,800 yards. He held him to 17 points.

That was that 07 year with Marv. No, he held him to 14 points. That was that 07 season with Marv, huh? Yep. Boy, they was on fire that year, boy. I'm just saying... Uh, Commanders Wind has a... Commanders Wind has a current and former Cowboy Great going at it on Twitter.

Uh-oh. Dan's tweeted, first, Dan Quinn do it... What Dan Quinn is doing in Washington, Jerry, everybody needs to go, including Zem. I knew Washington was going to be successful because of DQ. Daz, why you keep saying Jerry? Jerry had an opportunity to hire Dan Quinn,

and he kept Mike McCarthy. So when are you gonna, I understand, you have a great, hey, I understand your relationship with Jerry, but when are you gonna put this at Jerry have a great day. I understand your relationship with Jerry But where you gonna put this at Jerry feet because that guy didn't take a job because he thought he was gonna get the job Right and then what what once it became abundantly clear Jerry was gonna drag his feet What you want that man to do I Ain't fit to be no damn coaching waiting for the rest of my life

Keep passing over opportunity after opportunity while Jerry swing his feet. Hell nah. Trey, Jerry did this one. From now on I'll speak truth about my cowards good or bad. Jerry has built a great brand. That's all he's done. Brand.

And now it's time for the team to start winning. It's time for a real culture shift. I'm fed up with all this nepotism. Get someone in there who can win games. Hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on. what you mean? That's what they are bringing.

That's what this is. What you mean to start winning? Culture. You can't have culture dance, bruh. Win your owner doing what he does. Yeah. You know where culture starts at, huh? You know where culture starts at.

That starts from the top. Culture don't start from the coach? That start from the top. Coaches don't start from the coach, culture start from the top. Oh, hold on, Ochoa, before you go any farther. What happened? Michael Farson responded, stop the irritates me dance, because you had enough, you had enough,

he was spelling, he put a T in front of it, but I know what he meant. You had enough talent and was probably one of the greatest in your time. You could have changed the culture, brother. You could have changed the culture brother You could have changed the culture Wait, wait a minute now Wait now Michael- Michael Parsons. What does the front office have to do with players action and players be responsible for their actions?

Dead shot back. I had to double back because you really said I could have changed the culture, emphasize that. And if you don't know, I was never on a yes man political ass kicking, kissing ish. I sacrificed myself so a lot of you could do what you do. I'm on some ish way deeper than football. You really too young to understand. You realize that soon you need to do more people like don't give a F for the better of the athletes.

The way I talk to Jerry versus the way you talk to Jerry is totally different. Let it sink in. Come on now. Uh oh. Uh oh. That's what you said. You said you like that. You told me you like when the players speak truth.

Hey, I like that. You said what you said. That's what you told me. I like that. I like that. See? You see what you like when the players speak truth. Hey, I like that. You said what you said. That's what you told me. I like that. I like that. See? You see what you get from Dez? Now, if we can get all the players, even the active players, to start talking their truth.

But Dez always been Dez since day one, now. Dez ain't never change. Dez ain't never conform. Dez was never PC'd. So what you're hearing from him now is nothing new. That's always been him. I don't believe you can have a culture as long as Jerry's the owner. Yeah. Yeah. Because what happens is you need one voice.

That voice needs to emanate from the coach. If I can circumvent anything that the coach, any authority that the coach have by going to his superior How does the coach of let how does the coach lay a foundation right to establish say culture? The thing that they know in New England ain't nobody going to Bob Kraft. Mr Kraff and circumvent anything coach Belichick, right? I had a great relationship With mr. Bowling. Yes,lin. Man, I wish I would have took my happy black ass upstairs and said, Mr. B, let me tell you what Mike talking about. He would look at me like, oh, Sharpie, what you want me to do? Nothing.

Don't tell him I came up here to your office to tell you. Let's start with that. Let's keep this between us. Right. The thing was is that when you have one voice, now that takes a lot. Where is this coming from? Who is this coming from? See, here's the thing, Ocho,

the problem that they have in Cowboys. They know when Mike McCarthy's standing in front of them, that Jerry's talking. He's moving his mouth, but Jerry Jerry is you know, he's your pedal yeah McCarthy the difference is when Mike Shanahan stood up there and talk that's him That was Mike. Yeah, but also he gave us the remember. No, bro. We're not gonna do that. What's your weight? Okay, bring your answer be What's your weight? Okay.

Bring your ass in and make weight. Right. Hey, I'm there guy. Hey, go get on the bike. It ain't but two pounds. Go get on the bike for 10 minutes. Hey, you good. You going to be able to drop that bro. Go get in the hot tub.

Two pounds. You need to go get in the sock. Yes. Yes. Yes, bro. That's our responsibility. Bro, clean up the, come on, bro. How you, hair, the hair in the laundry basket right there.

You gonna throw the towel on the floor, bro? Really, that's what you gonna do? You can't get your, I mean the towel right there by you. Yeah. And you just leave the towel in front of your locker. You leave the towel, bro, come on now. Bro, clean. Mike gave us the authority to police the locker room.

We had established a culture that I had adopted from the older guys, from Dennis Smith and Steve Atwater and the Max and the John, and hopefully that my job was to try to pass that on. Right. That's what you got to have, Ocho. The guys that when you see Ray and the way you conduct yourself and he's watching the way Woody and how we do things, myself and Rod,

hopefully he passed that along and the culture was established. And so now you get an Ed Reed and you got a Suggs and you got guys like that. That's what you play like a raven. They're never gonna have that because Jerry won't allow it. Jerry won't allow it. I mean, a lot of things transpired.

There are a lot of things that happened once I left. I mean, once I leave, I just try to do, try to put the guys in the best situations I possibly could to be successful. But there's a lot of things going on, a lot of dealings that I wouldn't have tolerated. So, guys, we got to be professional and all that other stuff. That's just the kind of stuff that to tear the fabric from a locker room. You know, that's somebody's people and then you try to go behind their back and you try to do that and how we do stuff right here.

We don't go for that. Now, I'm just trying to figure out why you try to do that. Why you mad at him about trying to see some girl and you married. How'd that look? What happened? I'm confused. That happened? Yeah. I'm talking, just like I've told you, I said, said bro let me ask you a question How you mad at him?

Talk about that's your girl You mad with three kids That's real. That happen for real Man look here bro. Oh Joe. Let me tell you that's a good stuff. I kept the Pete That's my job My job was not only to play my job was to keep the peace and keep stuff like that Because that would tear a locker room apart. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And that ain't got nothing to do with football.

Ain't got nothing to do with football. We're going to keep football, football. Right. That's what we're going to do. Damn. Bro, your wife get wind of this right here cause you know, cause at the end of the day, he's going to get mad at you. You doing things to try to sort him up. He go tell your wife. Oh. Now what? Now you're going to try to salt him up, he go tell your wife, Oh, now what?

Now you're going to want to fight. Yeah. Why you fighting a man that's single about seeing somebody you married and you try to get at her, come on, bro. It don't work like that. You get one, you get one, you get your wife, you get your main one. You can't put, you can't take three or four off the shelf and put them in the back, you know, like footlocker, Ocho? You got a boy working there.

Hey, put a pair of shoes in the bag for me. No, you get one. You get to put one on the shelf and everybody stay away from. Other than that, it's fair game. It's fair game. So you not finna hide four, five pair of shoes. We gon' sell, we selling them shoes, bro. I'm just, I'm gon' keep it one five with y'all. But that, but see, that's the job of a leader, is to keep the piece in the locker room, because there are a lot of things that can eat at the fabric of a locker room.

That ain't got nothing to do with football. It ain't got nothing to do with money. Hey, we'll keep money out of this. Look, all that gambling, look, like Mike said, like rookies, we didn't really let a whole lot of rookies gamble. Right. Because first of all, y'all ain't got that kind of money. And be losing. And you're right. And we can't have Mike say, look, I can't have y'all out there. Y'all owe 84, $20,000. And you thinking about that? Oh, yeah. So look, no, no, come on, guys. But that culture thing is true. People don't realize it. People don't realize how valuable culture is in a locker room until you don't have that veteran leadership in there and you get guys running them up doing all kinds of things. And then you're like, well, damn, I realized that Sharp had more value. He was

valuable. And I'm not talking about just on the field because what Mike didn't realize until I left, a lot of things that I snuffed out never made it to him. He didn't know ish about it. Right. But that's what veterans do. That's what leaders do. You come together, you say, Hey bro, what's really going on?

What's the problem? Okay. You got a problem at home. Okay. How can we help? What's going on? What, what, what, I mean, what does she think you're doing? Bro, you cannot, you cannot go out and come in at three, four in the morning. What homeboy you got? What, so what you telling them? You can't tell her I'm out. Hell, cause I don't even go out with my own homeboys and come in at three, four in the morning. I used to tell Bucket, I used to tell Bucket all the time. Nah, bro, you're not finna mess up my own. Right. Hey, my homeboy in town, can y'all? Hey, yeah,

shop man, hey, come on, Bucket. You not finna mess up my own. Right. Got me coming in, cause you wanna come in at three, four in the morning. Oh, hell. No bro, you can't do that. I'm not going to tell you, you grown ass man, but I'm not going to tell you what you can't and what I'm going to tell you what you shouldn't do. I can't tell you what you can't do because you're grown, but I'm going to tell you what you shouldn't do.

That's all. And if you want peace, if you want, because at some point in time, Mike going to wonder why your place slipping, why you want peace, if you want, because at some point in time, Mike gonna wonder why your place slipping, why you seem distracted, why you keep busing assignments, why you're not where you're supposed to be. And then eventually, hey, Mike Shannon had cut you. I ain't tell you that, oh,

Mike could eat five million, six million dollars, he will cut your ass. Right. So I just want to know what you, how do you, how do you want to play this thing? Man, Sharp, man, hey, I appreciate that. Bro, I appreciate you coming to me, but I can't keep Mike off your ass and you keep making these kind of mistakes.

Cause I can only lie so much. So, hey, 84, what's going on with such a son? You know, we all, everybody, we went by, you know, we go by numbers. 84, what's going on with such a son? Yeah. Huh? I'm pretending dumb. I know, Ocho. Right. Huh? What you mean, Mike? He seem distracted. I mean, Mike start practice, Mike start practice. Dude blew an assignment. He like, hey,

what the F you do last night? Dude had to think about it. Nothing. Well, get your head out of you, you know what? Yeah. You F it up. Hey, that's funny how you say this. Because normally I'm just thinking about me from, from, uh, from my personal

experience, when I have outside issues, even when I was playing, when I was playing, they didn't affect me because my outlet and my sense of peace was being in practice. And then once I touched that green grass in between those white lines, everything that's going on in the outside world, it went away. And that's crazy how you say players allow what was going on the outside to affect them on the field

when I couldn't wait to get to the field because that gave me my sense of finally. I can feel I ain't got to worry about that bullshit. But here's the thing though, Ocho, maybe you didn't, as soon as we get a little five minute break, they run to the phone. Oh, they in the corner, they outside on the cell phone. Okay, okay, okay. Well, you can't get away from it because you bringing it in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I ain't play that boy. I couldn't wait. I mean, you, I'm like, guys, you can't get away from the dog poop if you step in it and bring it in the house. Leave it out there. Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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thought of myself as a leader because of the way I conducted myself. I wasn't out at night, knew what I had to do. Once I learned the outfits, thanks to John, once I knew what I had to do, Ocho, I love the responsibility because I've always been responsible. Right. College, my last couple of years in high school,

but culture is a big, I guarantee you, check the teams that's winning culture. I'm not saying they're a hundred percent as far as guys not being late, check their culture. Go look at the Ravens, go look at Kansas City, look at the teams that win consistently. And even when they hit a rough patch, that's when you tell, that's when you'll find out a lot about your culture.

You don't really find out about it when you win it. It's when you hit those rough patches. You see how they did Zeke? They make it seem like Zeke had never been late before, but what happened was they were tolerating things and wins. They couldn't do it on loss. Oh, we gonna let Deek go. Y'all will let the man go?

Oh, so he can catch on with another team. Where they do that at, Ocho? You can't fool me. See, you would have had fun playing with me. You would have fun. Could you imagine people on the same team? Ocho. What happened? Oh yeah, yeah would have fun. Could you imagine if he was on the same team? Oh Joe. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. I had you right. Oh Joe. What? I was the first one to the stadium. I was different then. I'm I guarantee you. Oh Joe, I guarantee you,

had I been your teammate, you'd have been the first ballot. Who? You'd have been the first ballot. Shit, I am first ballot. You'd have been a, you'd have been a, you'd have been a, you'd have been a, hold on, I went in there.

You'd have went in in 20, you played 11 years, you came in in 01. Wow. You came in 02? 01? 01, yeah. Yeah, because you called a little cheap, I think you about to call a little something on us.

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