Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Cowboys cooked on Jerry Jones Birthday, Davante Adams traded to Jets

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the hottest stories from week 6 of the NFL season including Jerry Jones, Dak Prescott, and the Dallas Cowboys getting demolished by the Detroit Lions, the Las Vegas Raiders trading Davante Adams to the New York Jets, and much more!03:16 - Bills-Jets09:56 - Deshaun Watson's poor play19:00 - DeMeco Ryans praises Jordan Love26:27 - Davante Adams to Jets28:00 - Ocho the best blocking receiver?30:09 - Cowboys firing McCarthy?41:47 - Happy Birthday Jerry43:00 - Ravens beat the Commanders(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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23 20 the bills win uh clearly in first place not there for you just fall to two and four what did you like what didn't you like what did did I like? I like the game in general Oh, it was a good goddamn game. It was a very good game. The referees threw a little bit too much laundry I wish they would get out of the way and let them play us play Listen, let me ask you a question. Before you go before you go on every NFL play If you want to be technical you can throw a flag on every play. There's something that goes wrong There's a holding there's some type of penalty on every single play, especially in interior. You can do that. I'm not going to say they were biased because they did play. They did call it fair and spurts

some for the bills, some for the jets, but I think it was just a little bit too much and it messed up the flow of the game, especially when teams had advanced and gotten first downs and the calls were coming back. But go ahead and I asked what you gonna say. But when you, when they read back and replayed, yeah, how egregious what, what they like? Yeah, they should, they got a call. Yeah. Oh, Joe, they was, they were spinning the man. Yeah. Yeah. The guy tried to reach and you turn. Yeah. You can't turn it down. You gotta let him go. Some, some, some of the calls, some of the calls in the secondary is like, it, ugh, it's like, it's 50-50, you know?

Get your head around. Huh? Me? I said, get your head around. Yeah, the one-oh DJ Reed. Gotta get your head around. But again, he didn't impede him in any way. The receiver was coming back towards him.

Coming back towards him. So I think, I mean, just like stuff like that. You know, it's still the game of football. And I think the ref just threw too many goddamn, too many damn flags. But on the, on the other hand, on the other hand of that, listen, the Jets win this game, field goals as a kicker. I understand the pressure, understand the win. You play for the win. You kick, you kick with the win, understand which way is blowing and lead just a

little, a little towards the opposite way. The wind is blowing and the ball will carry right into the goalpost. It's, it's, it's not, it's not, it's very difficult. It's easier for me to sit here and say it sitting at home as a kicker myself. But again, penalties, they had just had over 11 penalties, but got them hundreds of them goddamn yards. But the game could have, they could have won the game.

They could have won the game because the two field goals that they missed, they would have been up by six. So the score would have been what? 23 went over to me. They would have won by three as opposed to losing by. Well, where is the thing? The Bills missed the field goal also. Yeah, you're right.

They did. So now you're at that 26, 20 and may pop potentially overtime. But when you look at the Jets, and this is what I was afraid of. What happened? When you say we are quarterback away, you're under the assumption is your defense

is gonna be lights out like it was the previous year. And they're not. They're not. They're number two now. You know, it's shaky as it looks tonight. They are still ranked number two defensively in the NFL right now. Oh, Joe, the Bills ain't got nothing but Josh Allen. I knew you were going to say that.

I don't know. Hey, Josh, Josh got that cape on, man. He's basically Superman. He is. And the last play of the game, 72, you got one responsibility. You got contained back. Tell me why you down inside. I just need to know because that's not your responsibility. So now the coaches are going to be looking at you say son why didn't you play your responsibility because you're trying to do somebody else's job you didn't do your job and now you let the cows out of the barn. Had you just done your job with Joe, now you got, now you get them off the field. You use your time out.

You're going to get the ball back. But because you wanted to do someone else's job, you didn't do your job. And boom, yeah. Tiger Smith got his ass who in the hell was they got the MD and Tyra Smith was going against. Uh, F uh, F, effort, Nisha. If it's, it's, it's, it's been, Hey, I don't, I don't, I don't know what it was.

He never got Tyron Smith on the first move, but the second and third move, it looked like Tyron Smith legs were in concrete. It's like he couldn't, he couldn't move. I'm Vanessa. Kick, kick, kick, listen, I don't play. I don't play left tackle, but I know you kick, kick, kick that third kick. You hunker down. At the point of attack, you extend your hands and be able to move

laterally left or right based on whatever moves you make. It's like his feet is like his feet was in goddamn concrete. He could move slow motion. Andrews is taking his toll on him. He's lazy. He's lazy with his hands. If you saw his footwork. Yeah. Oh, Joe. And then they run a play. They got two guys. He's pulling and he whiffed the corner. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, he whiffs. He just kept running. He didn't even try to get the car. I know exactly what play you're talking about.

I don't know. I'm not one for calling things out, but watching replays and watching watching it on film and it's like, well, come on, this dude, this dude is embarrassing you at the left tackle. You're supposed to be that boy. You are the you're the money position. You are the blind side of the quarterback. You got to do better than that. Man.

That man whipped his ass. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers like what the heck. You're supposed to be our best offensive line. Oh yeah, most definitely. We won a bidding war against a lot of teams because look, he's an all pro. He's been an all pro. He's been to a lot of pro booms. Oh, Joe tonight just wasn't his night.

But wasn't tonight, wasn't it night or was the person he was going to get just that much better? Or was it just off night though? There's a different, let's hope it's, let's hope it's an off night. I go with that because, uh, you can't have very many of those, Ocho. Because you play in the position, you get your quarterback hurt. Because he, I mean, he went by,

he went by, I smell so fast one time, Roger just shaking his head, like what the? Yeah, he got up, he got up he got up It looks so funny I don't mean to be laughing I don't mean to be laughing but he got up I know exactly what play you talk about and it looks so funny with Aaron get up And I think they might have threw a flag on that play too for putting his weight on for putting his weight on him I don't I mean what you're supposed to do He just he picked in his helmet when he's getting up

and it just looks so funny. You can see the disgust in his face and he doesn't want to show any type of mannerism because he knows the camera's on him right away. But you can see it in his body language. Aaron like, God damn, man. Suddenly was another rough outing for the Cleveland Browns offense,

but there won't be any changes made to the quarterback position. Kevin Stefanski told reporters buddy that he won't be benched. Deshaun Watson and favorite Jamus Winston, uh, following the 2016 loss to the Eagles. I think there were moments, obviously that yesterday, I think the Sean gives us the best chance to win. You're not winning continues to give us the best chance to win. And we need to play really good offensive football at his position

and really at every other position to be. What you think? What you, what you thinking? Huh? What you thinking? Nice. Not let's let's let's think from a business, a business standpoint, you understand how those owners are thinking.

And you know, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin Stefanski doesn't pull the strings on that puppet. If I'm paying somebody that kind of money, he's going to play, even if things aren't going well. I'm gonna try to get my money's worth until I can't no more. I ain't paying, I'm paying the guy 45 million, I'm paying the other guy five to seven million. It's like, it doesn't make sense. Why would I pay, and put him on the bench

making 45 million? Yeah, so I mean, yeah. I mean, so what, I mean so why would they make a change? Why would they make a change? I mean, him saying, him saying, Deshaun Watson gives us our best chance to win. Is he wrong or is he right?

What you think? Do you think James Winston gives the Cleveland Browns a better chance to win at the quarterback position? How about this? He gives you your best chance to win, but you're not winning. Okay. So how good of a chance is it?

You think maybe it's the flashes of brilliance that you see, just the flash is on, it's consistent as it used to be? He says, I think Deshawn gives us the best chance to win. Continue to give us the best chance to win. We need to play really good offensive football at his position and really good football at every other position to be successful. No crap, Sherlock.

Wow. Yeah, that is some, that is, that is some great coaching. That is man. That is some motivational stuff right there. We need the quarterback to play good and we need to play good at every other position Well, the quarterback has to play the best because he got the ball in his hands all the time He has a ball in his hands every place. So his decision-making everything he decides to do with the ball Impacts and affects everyone else around him, especially offensively hell even defensively But if you make mistakes, then they always on the goddamn field on the defensive side of the ball. I Agree, yeah

He's not playing well. Oh, yeah, but you keep saying oh, I say give you me I didn't say I'm just saying I'm I was asking your thoughts on what you think should they make a change? Ocho after three years. Yes, sir. I Mean is just I get it. When you invest that kind of money, a lot of times it's just like anything. It's just like with an investment. When you put a lot of money into an investment,

it's hard to get off. Yeah. It's hard to get off it, because you want to see some kind of dividend. You want to see some type of return on your investment. Yes. Sometimes you got to cut your losses. I got a question for you.

That's the heart. I got a question for you. So fellas, that's in the chat that you listen to me. Now think about this on much smaller terms, but think about it. You're dating a woman. You've been dating for two or three years and you're thinking about all the money and everything you've invested in this individual.

And you just and you keep on you keep on trying you keep on trying and things just don't seem to be working out and going the way you'd like it to go in the right direction. But you keep thinking about all the time you spent all the money you spent invested in this individual. Are you going to are you going to show her? Are you going to say you gonna shelf her? Are you gonna say, you know what, I don't want, I don't want to do this no more?

You know why? Let me tell you why. Because you don't want her to be what you think she can be with somebody else when you've invested all that in her. See, that's why a lot of teams don't want to get upset player because what if he goes and be somewhere else what we thought he could be here. You don't bought five, 10, 15 YSA,

Louis, Hermes, Gucci bags, Balenciaga. You don't bought all will. She won't do right. Damn. But what does she do right over there? But think about it, don't think about this. What if you cut your losses, forget the bags and everything you bought because you can get that back, right?

And then if she does leave and you get rid of that, think about it not being, that's an expense that is no longer on your tab. It's no longer on your plate and that's okay. I get it. That's okay. I get it. I get it. But a lot of people don't think like that because like you said, you made a heavy investment. It's just like you buy a stock or you buy an investment property.

You don't want to get off it, Ocho, because you thought this was the run property. This was going to be your Netflix. This was going to be your Google. This was going to be your Google. This was going to be your app. Your Uber, whatever the case may be, that was going to be your time to hit a link. And that's the funny thing. When it comes to investing,

that's something that we always need to learn and understand. Everything we invest in, we not going to get a return on. Everything we invest in, we're not going to get a return on. So you have to know when to cut your losses and it's okay. Because at some point that loss for you becomes somebody else's responsibility because they ain't doing right by you nine times out of the 10. They're going to do right by the next motherfucker either.

So if a certain individual, if a certain player looks a certain way, it ain't like all of a sudden they don't go to another team and they're going to be magic and all of a sudden turn around and be somebody else that they're not. I get it bro. I get it. Uh, at the end of the day, Ocho, look, we've all, I ain't say all, but I know I've had to cut losses. Yeah, what? It is what it is.

Yeah, I cut a loss in a minute. Oh, you don't play, huh? Okay, it is what it is. Yeah, I cut a loss in a minute. Oh, you don't play, huh? Okay, it is what it is. Right, right, right, right. You win some, you lose some. Hell, I can't win them all. Nobody, and I see guys in the chat, chat,

oh, you sipping, bro, you don't even know. Your woman probably been over right now. Why you over there bumping them? Everybody, nobody, Ocho, the thing is, no guy thinks is going to happen to him or them. If you don't, if I don't have that, well, I don't have that kind of ego. I don't have that kind of ego. It can happen to anybody.

It don't matter who he is. It can happen to anybody. Because the funny thing about it, based on experience, and I don't mean to be bringing up a past, I don't mean to be bringing up a past I don't mean to be bringing up a past but listen, we family we family I can be honest because I was on the other side of the spectrum So I know it can be done because I was number two for years Stay stay with me now. I can talk to y'all cuz we family Yeah, so I know I know, I know what can happen.

I know the lies, I know the tricks, I know the God know all that. 56 years to experience. So I would never have ego and thinking, oh hell, shit I'm out there, it can't happen to me. Yeah. I'm fucking a fool, I am not. I am not, it never will be.

It never will be. Demigod Ryan says Jordan Love will be the best QB we've faced despite playing Josh Allen. Bill's fans are taking those quotes very serious. Many feel that Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the league behind Patrick Maroney. Me personally, I take Lamar Jackson. But that's another story. Ocho, do you believe that Jordan Love will be the best quarterback that the Texans have faced, even though they do have Josh Allen on their resume? Uh, yeah, probably. Probably. I think, I think Josh Allen, Josh Allen is very good.

Obviously his resume speaks for itself, despite obviously the turnovers, but he's good. You can see what he's doing now in being Superman, not having elite players around him, but still getting the job done. But Jordan Love is really good. Jordan Love is really good. Jordan Love, to me, is in the same bracket, in a sense,

with Jaden Daniels, with a CJroud, with the Lamar Jackson. He's also a dual threat quarterback. He can run, he can run, he can throw, make all throws. And to be young as he is, he's very promising, which is why they paid him what they did. And I mean, I agree with him, I agree with him. Jordan Love is really, really, really good, really good. And the funny thing about it is,

is you have to be a football fan, not a casual fan of the game. You'd have to be a football fan to understand how good Jordan Love is and actually watch those Packers games. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, I take my homes first. I don't put anybody next to him

because you see what he's done in this six years of Starting is is off the charts. I mean you don't get the four Super Bowls in six years You win three with two MVPs three Super Bowl MVPs. That's That's beyond what break now Brady has more But if you look at Brady's first six years and you look at his first six years you look at Brady Brady They were a defensive team. Brady wasn't asked to do what my homeboys doing. But yeah, he's phenomenal. I would take Lamar Jackson as my second quarterback behind my homes over Burrow and Josh Allen. But I can see people saying Burrow. I can see people say in Burrow, I can see people say Josh Allen, maybe CJ, Jordan Love, Purdy, whatever the case may be.

But one, two for me is my homes in Lamar. So. Hold on, hold on now. But who are our top five? So we got we got we got Burrow first. You got Lamar. So a Josh Allen is Josh. we got Burrow first. You got Lamar. So with Josh Allen, is Josh. Hold on. You got Burrow first.

I say my home is first. Okay. No, you said Burrow. Okay, my bad, my bad. You know, I'm just thinking bangles. My bad, my bad. So, I mean, like talk to me real quickly. Your top five based on who you would say if they would ask you.

So you have you have Josh Allen second before Lamar. I would take no, I would take Lamar said, OK. I would take. I would take I would take Josh third, Burl four, and I would take. I think I would take CJ, I think I would take CJ. I think I would take CJ 5th. How you how you put how you put Josh Allen in front of Burrow, though?

I said I would take I would take Josh. Oh, that's your preference. Yeah, I mean, it's look, I think look, I think once you get like, once you get past the first two, I think you're kind of splitting hairs with Josh Allen, Joe O'Burrow and, uh, and CJ. I think I know CJ is only his second year in the league, but I don't see a situation where he regresses. I only see situations where he get improved.

Right. Um, Jordan love is Jordan love. And people like, oh, man, you you talk about your love over that. Yeah, I'll take your love over that. I'll take CJ Stroud over that, too. I just oh, oh. Oh. Ah.

You know, the thing is, most of the quarterbacks, you can go week to week. Right. I think the top two are kind of set. Right. Because. Josh Allen, Burrow, none of them playing is good. Jerry Gough is playing as good as anybody. Oh yeah, most definitely. And you ain't even mentioned him. Nothing but I'm saying, I think like it can go week to week,

like most positions can go week to week. I think when you look at what Mahomes has done, his body of work, now at the end of the year, we can say does he still deserve to be the number one quarterback? We'll see. Um, because this is what we see from homes every year, especially in the beginning of the season, it always looks like this.

The numbers are staggering. It's not crazy, but all of a sudden when it matters most, guess who always comes through in the clutch every time every time at some point you're going to have three four hundred five hundred yard games they're going to come they're not going to come right now for some reason they never come at the beginning of the season for them it's always something there's always an issue with the offense or the balls being dropped there's there's no receivers and nobody they're not catching the balls that's what it was last year this year, Rashid Rice is out.

Juju, goddamn Juju steps up, has a hell of a game. Travis Kelso gets going late. It's always something. Remember, the Patriots said, nah, we ain't got no use for Juju. Wrong system. He comes back, look at Juju. Wrong system.

Juju comes out, Rashid Pikes goes out, Juju comes in, 130 yard game, that off the rip. Just that fast. Just that fast. Quarterback can take average receivers and make them look really really good. Yeah, and that's what the really good ones can do. Mm-hmm. But the quarterback is so hard, Ocho, because any given week you like, I take Jerry golf. No, I take Josh Allen. No, I take CJ. No, I take, I'll take Jordan Love. No, I'll take Joe. I'll take Josh Allen. I mean, we've seen Purdy deal where you like,

boy, that boy Purdy good. And you know what's funny? I always think about when you think about the top five chat, whoever your top five players are, I always think about it. Forget the stats, we get the numbers and all that stuff. I know all that matters. But if you were to put them on any other team, will they still be able to be efficient and be productive regards to where they went, regardless of who was at their disposal as far as weapons are concerned.

Could they steal, wheel and deal without being on the field? Can you imagine Mahomes with Chase and Higgins? Can you imagine him with Waddle, Tyreek, Mostard, A-Tan? Hey. Hey, listen. A-Tan? A. Listen. Or you put him in San Francisco with that running game.

Christian McCaffrey, Kettle, Debo, IU, Jennings. Unfair. But I think the addition of Devontae Adams, if it can happen at any point, the addition of him to that Jets team will help bolster that offense and give an Aaron Rodgers another threat, an adequate threat that he knows he can count on

and can win every goddamn down. I just had to throw that out there before we continue. So I don't know why the football gods, if you're listening, let's make that happen. I thought tonight, I thought Lazard, I thought he, Garrett Wilson, I'm starting to get on the same page. Yes, sir. They're playing really, really well.

Obviously Allen's, his art knows him. He played with him in green bay. So he knows, I mean that throw down the middle for 24 yards, not a whole lot of receivers, unless you play with the quarterback knows that he's going to back shoulders this thing to me and I'm going to need to, hey, it's going to be low and it's going to be on my backside and I'm going to be able to have to go dig it out. But that comes from experience that comes from playing with a guy. But if Devontae were to go there, I mean, hey, somebody's going to be the odd man out

because obviously it's not like they're going to throw the ball 50 times a game. So the question is how healthy is Devontae? How soon are you gonna be able to get on the field? Oh, I know he's been out for a couple of weeks. Oh, yeah, I'm sure he healthy. I don't think he hurt. He eat Taco Bell. Okay, I don't think I don't think he hurt. I'm talking about he gonna hit the ground running, you know? Take me. What's up, Uncle 85? As receivers, did y'all take pride in blocking?

I know title is different, but on the ravers, it seemed like they don't mind. Well, they're right there. They're running team. You got no choice. Look at that brief Hall road. Look at Mike Williams block. Look at Lazard block. That's the difference.

When you, anytime you see long runs by running back, the receivers are blocking. Look at the 49ers. Look at Divo. Look at IU. Look at look at Kittle. If you want your, if you want your running back to have success, if you want to have a successful running game, your wide receivers have to block. I was out. And you gotta make it a point of emphasis

and you gotta make it important to them. I'm the problem probably arguably might be the best blocking receiver ever. Ever. Ever. Cause half the time I didn't have to touch nobody, just run them all. Yeah. As my running back, as Rudy Johnson.

Yeah. As well, rest in peace, Shedrick Benson. Larry your baby had Larry Johnson for a little bit. You know that? Yeah, he was watching when he got the y'all. That's not nice. That's not nice. Because when you do laundry,

what you doing? You washing, right? So you clean yourself. Yeah. But he had nothing. He was on fuel, Ocho. He already had almost 800 carers in his body in two years. Ain't no coming back from that, Ocho.

And he was toting that pill, though. He was toting. Yeah, he was toting that thing, boy. He wasn't toting it for y'all. Who else we had? Michigan running back, man. Last name was Perry. I can't remember his first name.

He was good. But yeah, I was, I took pride in my blocker, man. I wasn't no Hines Ward knocking people out, but I did what I could. I only know you was cam ward. Hell no. No, but you look at guys in the West Coast system, West Coast wide receivers, you got a block. You got to.

Ocho. After suffering the worst home loss of his time as owner, general manager, 47-9 to the Detroit Lions, Jerry Jones backed head coach Mike McCarthy when asked of a potential change, Jerry said, Oh, I haven't even considered that. I'm not considering that. Just so you're clear, I'm not considering that. When reminded about his previous end season coaching changes

he made in 2010 when he fired Wade Phillips and named Jason Garrett interim head coach after one and seven start, Jerry became even more dispensable. That would be a hypothetical. In that manner, do you think I'm an idiot, Jory, Jerry, is that a rhetorical question? Or is that one that you want a yes or no answer to?

No answer. Do you? Okay. Well, I'm not going to do hypotheticals with you about what I would consider coaching change in light of timing. We're sitting here with I'm not at all. The coaches, the Cowboys are three and three after the loss to the lions. And I wouldn't just allow them.

That one just a loss. All losses aren't created equal. Yes, they go into the loss column, but they're not created equal. They're just one game behind the commanders and the NFC East, but have lost their first three games at home for the first time since 2010. They've been outscored by 66 points. The Cowboys are on three in the red zone today. Oh, Joe, is it time to take a car before we get to his position?

Right. But we get even get to players, before we get to the defense, before we get to the offense. The Cowboys lost today, right? Who was the first person we heard from? Yes. The first person we always hear from, Jerry. That's problem number one. That's problem number one. That's problem number one. It always has been.

But you like you said, like you told me he would never change because he feels he's the best person to be able to run that team. But the Cowboys did today. It was very bad. It was dreadful. It was awful. It was terrible. It was frightful.

It was atrocious. It was disgraceful. It was deplorable. I'm not sure if I have any other words I can explain the Cowboys showing today offensively and defensively. It was bad. It was bad to the point where the fucking Detroit Lions were running stuff that I haven't seen in years that I ran when I was an optimist.

When I was in Little League, they were doing trick plays that I did when I was an optimist. When I was in little league, they were doing trick plays that I did when I was eight years old. This is the best of the best. This is the NFL. It's the best of the best. How you throwing plays at a tackle? Because I, I have such little respect. This is what you call being disrespectful because we're on national television.

We're going to run a lot. I've never seen anything like that. Oh, Joe, we're going to call it. This is not the last play of the game where we're going to ladder it black and forth. We're going to call it. And guess what? Before that, we don't call the play. We don't play fake it. And we're going to try to throw a back.

Oh, not a tight end, not a tight end, a tackle. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on in Jerry's world. They've had three games at home. They lost all three games. Tonight wasn't that wasn't a loss. I really can't even conjure up the words. I tried. I tried to give you a few

synonyms on what tonight was, but I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what. Is it Mike McCarthy? Because they, with that same Mike McCarthy, they went 12 and 5 last year. But that's the, with the Mike McCarthy before that, the previous to that, they went 12 and 5 as well. And they had a playoff berth, even though they, they, they went home in the first round, but still, this is not the same Cowboys team that, I mean, I mean, I'm used to, used to seeing, especially in the regular season, cause in the regular season they do win, but they don't start off this goddamn bad. The defense is not built to play from behind. No, but see, here's the thing is that what normally happens is that the offense can put

pressure. See, they're built to play with a lead. And what happens when you can't play with a lead and you can't pin your ears back because you got those guys that don't have anchors in their back pockets you see how they move you see how to 184 yards and look at yeah they don't just get beat they get blown out they get blown out what did the Saints do to him what the Green Bay do to him in the playoffs? They put up 48 They got 47 hung on today. Yeah New Orleans put 40 something on them the Raven took me put out the gas too soon

They should have put 40 on them and and people keep saying well, it's the deep is the defense that got three field goals If I know my defense isn't good, I can't settle for field goals. I've got to get touchdown because I've got a match because if I don't, we're going to get too far behind. The best thing to happen is that through that interception and got him out. Cause what was going to happen is he was going to get some empty calories and people go say, well, that didn't see the game. Say that played well. Right. We've seen that far too many times. We saw it against the Saints. We saw it against the Ravens.

We see it a lot. We saw it against Green Bay, where he has these empty calories. And you look at the stat and you like, well, he didn't play bad. If the defense could have gotten some stops. No, you got three field goals. Three. Actually, sir. If you really think about it, Ocho, yeah, they should.

Yeah, listen, it could have been a 60 ball easily. It could have been, but that that would have been big changes if they put up 60 points. Hands were probably going to roll and somebody would have had to lose their job. But it would have been too much pressure from the outside world. But who? Hold first of all. who are you going to put it, first of all, you can't put Mike Zimmer in that job because his defense is trash. So how you put him in that job is as the, as the head coach.

I don't know who's the offensive coordinator, who did he hire? Cowboys. Right. I know Mike McCarthy calls the plays, but who has the job? I don't think it's important. Brian Schottenheimer. Right. He's not you're not putting him there. So you're kind of stuck because guess what?

That's my McCarthy's offense. That's not Brian Schottenheimer's offense. That's my McCarthy. Because remember, they got rid of the other guy because they say they ran the ball too much. because they say they ran the ball too much. I mean, they threw the ball too much. They throw the ball way more now than they did when they had killed the ball so much. They're still not happy with the running game.

They're still not happy with those they have to run the ball. So what's the answer there? What happens, Ocho? Oh, you have behind by 21. So you don't really know. Look, do I? I think that Dadel is okay. I don't think he's great.

I don't think you're going anywhere with him. But you basically take your running game out because what do they do every game? They fall behind. And when you fall behind, I ain't even work. Okay, run it. I dare you to because all you're going to do is run time off the clock because they don't really have anybody that can hit the head on the goalpost. So with that being said, yeah, with that being said, this is bad.

I don't know what's going on, but it's almost like CD and Dak has never played together. Ocho, you know he had 14 targets today, he called seven of them. They put him in motion. He runs up the sideline, Dak throws it back, he keeps going. Right. He's looking for it over here, Dak throws it over there. Dak looking for him to be over there, he throws it over there. They gotta give him the same thing.

Man, them guys have been together for five years, Ocho. What do you mean get on the same thing? Even after five years, they're supposed to be in sync, especially in year five. You supposed to know what I'm thinking every time as a receiver. If you know a guy's often I'm coming to motion, I'm running down the field and he's already off of me. It's OK. You throw that thing back shoulder. If you do, I have a guy pressed in his apartment.

I'm coming in motion. He's in. He's locked up. You let that bitch go. Like this is the one, the two people are offense that should be in unison. Is them to have them to go out of sync, then everything is falling apart or not. In order for in order for the office to get a rhythm, if they can't run the ball like they haven't been able to do in order for the office to get a rhythm and everything to get in sync. Goddamn, goddamn foe. Damn, what number are city where oh, four, eighty eight.

Oh, they got to be on the same page because that can kick that can kickstart your offense right there like a lawnmower. You know what? Shit ain't shit ain't going right. McCarthy calls them from four to eighty. Let's get us. Let's get us in rhythm. Every time. You try. Oh, Joe, at some point in time, we got to come to the realization.

The Cowboys are good. You can say a board of 88. You could say four to one and board of this. The Cowboys are good. They're not good. I didn't say it. And it's OK to say that. But I think I think it's more than just that. That's in the way of them actually being good.

It's more it's more than just that than them actually being good. Being good starts all the way from the motherfucking top because the Kansas City Chiefs are good, but it starts at the top. The Ravens are good. It's always started from the top. The Steelers are good even that they're rebounding back to being good, but it starts to the top. Just think about think about all the teams that are consistently good year in and year out, not living on what they've done in the past. Before Sunday, Ocho, the largest home defeat in Jerry era

came in 2001, they lost 36 to three. There have been on three other home losses that have been larger margins of defeats in team history. For the third straight game, the Cowboys faced big halftime deficit. Remember, 27-6 against the Lions, they they were down 21 six against the Ravens they were down 35 16 against the Saints and at the wild card game they were down 27 20 27 20 no 27 7 at halftime oh by the way happy birthday Jerry

Oh, by the way, happy birthday, Jerry. Oh, Joe, I don't know if you remember this. The guy on your birthday, I mean, something. OK. 84. My bad, 82. Yeah, because you're older than my mom. Yeah, my mom turned 81 in January. Oh, Joe, you know, your birthday and you figure you can say and do whatever you want to

and get your ass killed on your birthday by your grandma or your mom. I ain't even taking no chances back then. I mean, how that feel, Jerry? Yeah. I mean, to get your ass told for your birthday, that's the worst kind. And then, you know you normally gonna have your cousins

over or something like that and you showing up. Oh boy, you being mannish, huh? There ain't nobody trying to be mannish. You just want to beat me in front of my cousin. The Ravens beat the commanders 30, 23 for their four straight wins. They fly was nine catches a buck, 32 at the half, the most yard than a half. And Ravens history, he didn't see a target the rest of the game. And the Ravens still roll Lamar and company gobbled up 484 yards 28 first down the

2024 Ravens are the first team since John man 1971 Raiders with a hundred and fifty plus rushing yards and at least one touchdown in each of the first six games of the season Excuse me. They racked up a hundred and seventy six rushing yards on the day with the reigning MVP throwing for 323 yards. Oh Joe, are we looking at another MVP season for L Jack? Yeah, yeah. See the way he got damn playing, even with the slow start, even with a slow start in order to dig yourself out that hole, you got to have the right person with that goddamn shovel.

You hear me? And the person that got that shovel is Lamar Jackson. And he playing hell of a ball, hell of a ball. Listen, he is a good throw of the goddamn fucking football. Yes. I heard Ryan Clark say something where he said at this point and is in just five games that Jayden Daniels is a better passer of the ball than Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson has showed, even though he was considered a running back coming out

in the draft or saying he should have been playing maybe wide receiver, he has honed the skill of being a good thrower of the bowl. Yeah. That is accurate. He got touch. He got precision. I mean, what else can you ask for? He could, he could throw,

he could throw your goddamn bullet or he could touch that thing in there like a goddamn fairy. He's good at what he does. If you watch the game today, I'm going to hike the ball. I'm gonna get the ball and my first mindset is to throw the ball first, to go through my reads.

I'm gonna read my progression. Hell, if I got enough time, I'm gonna go back to my progression again. And if I got the running, I'm gonna go back to my progression again And if I got to run it, I'm a run Boy, yeah, that's dangerous. I Think the most impressive thing about Lamar Ocho is that he's gotten better at throwing the football every single year Yeah, and all we said we don't need first of all It would be unfair grossly unfair if his passing ability ever surpassed

in his running ability. That wouldn't even be fair, you'd have to outlaw it. Yeah, that's not fair. The guy was 20 of 26, 323, a touchdown at an interception. He got sacked twice, I can live with that. But Ocho, I remember after the first game, what did I tell the Rebels they should do with Derrick Henry?

Put him in the goddamn eye. That's when he's most efficient. Tosses and straight down motherfucking heel with the fullback, goddamn it. If they put his ass in the eye, that man is running wild. Yeah. He's on pace. He's on pace for another 2000 yard season, which would if he got 2000 yards in another season, because no back has ever done 2000 more than once, just go ahead and put him in the hall. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Hey, listen, they run it, you know how difficult they're going to be to be? Yes. With the way they're playing right now. I'm not sure at some point, you know, you know, you always have a game. I call it a trap game. You always have a trap game.

I'm not sure when that trap game is going to come where it just seemed nothing goes right and nothing actually works. But with the way they're going right now, you can't stop, you can't stop him. Now not only can you not stop the runner game, if you can't stop the runner game, it makes the pass the game that much easier. That's what, cause think about it. When Lamar throwing the ball to the tight end Mark easier. But that's what just think about it. When Lamar threw the ball to the tight end, Mark Andrews, throwing the ball to likely they so far open because you got to get that safety down.

But you can't stop him with the light box in Lamar is dealing. I mean, he is dealing. I mean, he's hitting likely. He loves throwing to his tight end. Mark Andrews was always his favorite. But now he has a guy in say flowers. He's not that big, oh, Joe. Oh, he can get open that he can go now.

Hey, he can go. Hey, they can't touch him in a phone. He could go. Yes, he's unbelievable. He's he's he's unbelievable. He's he's he's unbelievable. He's playing. Um, but the Ravens, they're playing unbelievable. They're playing unbelievable football because they are so balanced.

Guess what, Ocho 26. They had 26 pass attempts, 37 rush attempts. And they will chew the clock up, because when you run the ball like they can run it. It's going to be tough for you to stop them. It's tough. It's going to be tough for you to stop. It's really that simple. And they the way look, the commandos were good.

I mean, you kept Jayden Daniels. He was a 24, 35, 269, two touchdowns. They didn't run the ball nearly well enough. And so the Ravens were good, a great job. They ran the ball 18 times for 52 yards. That's not good enough. That's less than three yards of carry. You ain't put no fear of nobody hard running the ball less than three yards of carry.

But the Ravens defensively, they got after it. They were sacked him three times But that office Yeah, right when they want me like that. Yeah, they will be hard to beat. Yeah I mean listen even it'll be hard to be you know, the funny thing is even in the loss Even in a loss of they Jane Daniels still look good even in a lot Oh, yeah, but the thing you have to you have to understand you have to understand who they plan. They ain't playing the goddamn Raven defense every goddamn week. Then you're not playing a juggernaut of an offense like that every week. So I can see them beating everyone else in the NFL,

if so happen they have to play them until you get to, like, until you get to, let's say, the playoffs where the teams are obviously going to be that much better since they were able to make it. But I mean, listen, the commanders have no reason to hang their head. Obviously you lost to a very, very good team today. But when you think about it, you run down, if you look at the rest of the NFL, how many teams you think it really go can really beat and play with the commanders right now with the kind of quarterback play that they're getting from Jaden Daniels. Ain't too many goddamn many.

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