Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Curry cooks, Pat Surtain, Hunter’s built different

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Stephen Curry dropping 56 points against the Orlando Magic, going 12 for 19 from 3-point land. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by 3-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro, and Defensive Player of the Year, Denver Broncos CB Pat Surtain II, Travis Hunter says he’s built differently when it comes to being a 2-way player and much more!05:30 - Show start07:41 - Stephen Curry goes off19:31 - Pat Surtain II joins show43:31 - Travis Kelce returns for another season44:49 - Travis Hunter on playing multiple positions56:30 - Abdul Carter’s foot update1:01:00 - Eagles going after Myles Garrett (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Defensive player of the year a Bronco country in the house Pat Surtan the second followed by tank Davis He'll have a big fight Saturday and my guy, the one and only earthquake, but everybody just called him quake. But first Ocho, whoo, Stefan Curry was cooking tonight. When did he not? He had 56, 12 made threes, 16 or 25. Uh, 12 or 12 from the free throw line. He outscored Orlando by himself in the third quarter,

22, 21, it's his 14th 50 point game of his career. Steph Curry has nine, nine game, nine, what nine made threes in NBA. He has 45 games, Ojo, in which he's made at least nine threes in a game. The next closest is, uh, uh, Dame Lillard at 14 and then Clay Thompson at 12. And if I'm not mistaken, if I read this correctly, I think if you take up the next five, Steph has more or he's tied with the next five. So if you, uh, Dame Lillard, if you put in Clay Thompson,

I think JR Smith is in that group, but it's about five other guys that have made at least nine threes in a game and if you combine the next five highest, I think Steph still has more than all those guys. He was the only one tonight and you know we've seen this throughout his career. Once he gets cooking, you just hope you can weather the storm. And you got guys, Paulo Banquero was cooking also, but not till he wasn't on fuego like Steph was. I don't know if you saw this game, Mocho. Did you take a look at this game?

No, I didn't have a chance to look at this game. Obviously, I was asleep when this game was going on. I'm just waking up from a nap, so I got to have the energy I needed tonight. But when I look at the stat line, I look asleep, you know, when this game was going on. I'm just waking up from a nap, so I got to have the energy I needed tonight. But when you look at, when I look at the stat line, I look at how efficient Steph was, you know, from three and his numbers at the free throw line. It just comes back to like, I mean, is this something we're not used to? You know, is Steph even human at times?

Because we've seen him put up these type of performances, you know, throughout his career, you know, and like you said, when he gets hot, he gets hot. So it's like, okay, yeah. Oh, Steph dropped 56. I mean, it's like, okay, nothing new. We used to this. We've seen, you know, you know what I mean? In a sense, we've seen this before.

So I mean, yeah, it's Steph. Steph has 45, Dame has 14, Clay Thompson has 12, James Harden has nine, Anthony Simons has five, CJ McCullough has three. So if you take the, well, JR Smith has five. So if you take those next, if you take Dame, Clay, James Harden, Anthony Simons, and JR, they have the same number.

If you throw in CJ McCullough, now you got six guys and they have three more nine made threes in a game than Steph Curry And that's crazy. He is he is the greatest shooter that we've ever seen The way he can shoot there isn't a bad shot, you know, once upon a time. I mean, that's a terrible shot There is no terrible shot for Steph Curry. Not for him. I mean, and what's most impressive? Yeah, shooting the basketball is impressive, but it's, Ocho, it's the continuation of running. Do you understand what type of conditioning this man has to be in?

Because you know when you get tired with anything, hell, you get tired of running around, Ocho, you're like, woo, hands get lazy, head get, eyes get lazy, head gets, eyes get lazy, head get lazy coming around, all that stuff. And for him to put that kind of running in, because he's coming off screens continuously, he's one side, he'll, hey, long rebound,

he'll reset, goes back up with it again. For him to be able to do this throughout the entirety of the game is unbelievable. I'm glad I've got an opportunity, I'm glad I'm old enough and I'm wise enough to understand what I'm witnessing because there've been some great shooters, but there's been nothing like this young man.

This, he is phenomenal at shooting the basketball and every accolade or superlative that you want to bestow upon him, he's more than deserving of that. Model citizen, doesn't get in any trouble, you don't have to worry about him hearing his name off the field, wife, four lovely kids, and he's what you want your franchise,

and you say, okay, he's a franchise player, that's what you want your franchise player to look like. That's what you want your franchise player to be. He's been a great ambassador for the NBA, he's been a great ambassador for the NBA. He's been a great ambassador for the Curry family. There's nothing that his mom and dad should ever, ever, nobody in his family should ever be ashamed of anything because the way he speaks, the way he conducts himself

on and off the court, take a bow, Steph. Well, you were the only one tonight. Whatever you ate today, Steph probably go, hey, he one tonight. I don't, hey, whatever you ate today, Steph probably go, hey, he gonna send them, hey, go get that again. We gonna take that on a plane. We go wherever we going next, I don't know if they play in Miami

or they head down to Atlanta because they're probably on an East Coast trip, Ocho. Hey, whatever you ate before the game, whatever you did before this game. Same routine. Oh yeah, yeah. Same routine. I don't know if he's superstitious or not, Ocho, but if I'm

him, to have a game like this, think about it, Ocho. I'm sure when you had that, those big games, those what, a couple of 200 yard games, you're like, what did I do today? And you know what's funny? Most of the time when you have those big games like that, you get to drug test the following morning because the NFL thinks something wrong with you, and you go back and try to remember exactly what you did, you can't even remember. Because sometimes, at times, it don't be nothing special. It's just one of those days where everything just seems to go right. Right.

Well, I don't know why Steph Curry get drug tested because if he taking drugs, they backfire. They ain't working. So whatever he taking, he need to take more of it and Leave it alone But you like I said there been some great shooters. Larry Bird was a great shooter. Reggie Miller was a great shooter obviously clay Dame Dallow arguably the Ray Allen James Harden could let the ball go. Yeah, we've never seen anything like Steph Curry. I'm not so sure we're gonna see it again.

Now, eventually somebody down the line might make more threes, but I think we can definitively say, even if they make more threes, they weren't a better shooter than Steph. Because Steph, what created this, brought this wave in to take in that many threes, because it was Golden State that was shooting 30 threes a game. Now you get some guys, they shooting 50. Teams shooting 50 games.

So guys coming in shooting more threes. But as far as just flat out shooting a basketball. Yeah. Nothing better than him. We got an opportunity to see it on full display at the Olympics. Remember when we played that last game against France? Yeah, in crunch time when we actually needed him. They had him double.

Hey, he passed to the KD. KD swung it back to him. Hey, as my good friend Mark Jackson said, can I have this dance? Yeah. Hey, between the legs, behind the back, the back crossover step back 28 feet Splash have you won it he can cover you. Hey listen like like you said not only is he the best shooter He can create his own space Hey listen, he coming off picks

running plays creating his own space All he need all he need all he needs a little bit now cuz it's so quick. Yeah, his release is so quick Is that man? Because the thing is now what he's done before where he had didn't do earlier the career He'll put the ball on the floor and go by you. Oh, yeah So if you hug up on it, he got the kind of handles that can put the ball on the floor and he got a nice Float game he can finish now He's got gonna finish above the rim like a mouth or like a D Rose could and he got a nice float game he can finish now he's gonna finish above the rim like a Ruzz or like a D-Rose could but he can finish

nice float game and you know he's you're filing he's the greatest free throw shooter and percentage-wise in NBA history so he's really hard to defend because I want to get aggressive and not let him come he's looking to get separation and all he needs is an inch he gets that separation and next thing You know, he'd launching one and right man Yeah, he but it was unbelievable to watch him get in that zone and to see guys get in the zone Guys, they usually get in the zone like this from distance We've seen guys get hot ocho and they'll lay the ball up and they got the mid-range game

But he's shooting from distance. Yeah, I mean 20 20 5 28 hell 25 the logo He got that kind of he got that kind of range he has that kind of handles he's unbelievable to watch and Whoo, I don't know I might have to reassess what I think about the Golden State Warriors cuz I didn't think they were gonna do that They still got an uphill climb. Yeah, they were they were What they were I think 10th with Stephen and I had this conversation on Tuesday

And so they got some digging because they're still in the play and currently I don't I'm not sure how much ground they can make up to get out of that that that play in I think you got to get To at least a sixth seed to get out of the play in we'll see but Steph Curry carried him tonight Jim it and nobody did anything other than him but when you got a guy like that all you doing is sitting picks and get them to basketball I ain't trying to interfere with that I ain't trying to get no shots so if he hot let him cook cook. Hell yeah. Let's show him. Nah, don't cook. Let him burn it down.

Hey, burn this mofo down. But he was on one tonight. And like I said, when he gets going like that, it's just like, oh Joe, you see like a guy catches a bunch of passes. Once he gets it going, Chase, you see Chase and Jetta, and you see these guys get going. Right. You at their mercy. You at their mercy.

Once a lineman get going, you let a Miles Garrett, or you let a TJ White, and they get a couple of sacks early. You got your hands full with the rest of the game now. You better double him. You better chip him. Now you better not, hey, nah, that's an all-pro over there, left tackle, that's an all-pro., left tackle. That's an all pro. I don't care.

That don't mean nothing. Not when the guys getting it going like that. You kind of at their mercy. And when Steph gets it going, and these guys, I mean, you talking about it about Dame Clay. We saw Clay the other night getting cooking. And he was something special going on. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry.

We went live from All-Star Weekend for a new podcast called GOAT, Greatest of Their Hair. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. Paysia 5, Dirt 4. Paysia is elite. I'm mad at him, I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. Yes, absolutely.

I love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with any time you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense. Listen to GOAT, G-O-T-E, greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Mel Reed, LPGA Tour winner and six time Lady Geo-Bean Tour winner. And Kira K. Dixon, NBC Sports reporter and host. You forgot to say All My Miss America, by the way. And we've got a new podcast, Quiet Please, with Mel. And Kira, we are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some golf haps, and interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower. Or just people we like.

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Mel Blunt winning first, Lester Hayes, Rod Woodson, Deon Sanders, Charles Woodson, Stefan Gilmore, and now representing Bronco country, Pat Sertan II. P.S. dude, what it do? Yo, what's good? What's happening? It's all good. Man, bro, I'm proud, man. You represent Bronco country extremely well, man.

You're the first defensive player of the year since Randy Gratishaw, and I think 77 or 78. So it's been down to 50 years since we've had a defensive player of the year, but I can't think of someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in. The way you prepare, you know, Hey, I get, I get, I get into the way, the professionalism that what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to detail that you put in. Man, I want to take my hat off and say congratulations and I'm proud.

You're a Bronco bro. Yeah, appreciate it. And listen, you know, Pete, you know I've been watching you since high school, but man, obviously having, you know, having the battles with your pops, man, when you was in the league, and now watching you dominate at the position and being the number one defensive back in the league, I want to know my first, what's your mindset man when you line up against some of the best receivers in the league with a great understanding as technically sound as you are and as savvy as you are, how important is you to be able to keep your

composure in most situations with DB's panic which makes you probably the best in the league on that on that trade alone outside of ball skills and other stuff He froze PS I might need we that might need get you a boost mobile contract bro. So you'll stop freezing up on us Not a walk five tripping man mobile contract bro so you'll stop freezing up on us. Nah, this is Wi-Fi trippin' man. Pete, where you at? Wi-Fi? You at the crib? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with the Wi-Fi. Nah. What Ocho was asking you is that what's your mindset when you go into a game and you know you're gonna have to take, you're gonna have to travel. You got a lot of frequent flyers miles because you go left right sometimes you jump in the slot but

mainly you're outside but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday? Yeah I think it all starts with preparation. Knowing your opponent. Knowing who you're going up against you know because the NFL each and every week you know you're going up against a top top line receiver each and every week, you know, you're going up against a top top line receiver each and every week. So, you know, you got to have that mindset going in like you're going to win every rep at the end of the day. So, every time I go and play every Sunday, I look at it as a blessing because, you know, I get to go up against the best, you know, and perform at a high level. So.

Hey growing up, listen, did you always know you wanted to follow your father's footsteps as a cornerback? Or was it another position you wanted to play? Or was it always defensive back? No, I wasn't always DB. I've always wanted to be a running back growing up. For real? Yeah. I mean, you know, I played at PPO.

PPO Bengals. Oh, yeah. When you was at PPO? Yeah. Hey, y'all Bengals. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be cheating that damn man Yeah, I was I was sure no that running back man, I was one of them okay But then like, you know, I play offense, you know, and then it when I went to DB It's sort of translated naturally and that sort of got the feel for you know, the instincts Press, you know, I had a press game already, so I was like,

I'm just gonna carry it over to DB. And, you know, the game went off from there, so. Yeah. When people describe you, the one thing they say, technically sound, always on balance. To a team. Doesn't, he doesn't get lazy. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork.

He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head head What are you thinking? Like when you go up there you like, okay, I got XY I got whoever the receiver is When you lock in you like I got this guy. What are you thinking PS? Shoot first thing I'm thinking of being sound okay, oh You know, like you said technically some like, like it's talking my eyes, making sure my eyes at the right spot, not guessing, being sound with that, making sure my feet match

the receiver's feet at the end of the day. You know, the receivers, you know, Chad, y'all getting out of breaks, Danny, y'all so quick, so we got gotta react. And that's to make sure I'm able to react a couple seconds later with the receiver's timing at the end of the day. So I make sure I'm on deck and hand placement's right when I'm pressing, feet aligned with my eyes at the end of the day.

So that's the main thing. One more thing, let me ask this, Ocho. Let me get this in here. Okay, go ahead, I got a good one Are you a pattern read guy or you a down in distance guy? Because I mean I'm looking at guys how guys played me. I'm looking at down in distance how they play I'm looking at when we're in a certain formation how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or you're down in distance guy? I

Think that's a good question. I think it ties in both ways. Like when you realize down in distance, right, like you realize what pattern's about to come. Like, you know, like it was third and short, you know, you fall by one backside, you expect this. You know, you need to read it. Slap, you know what I mean? So like when you tie in those little things, you know, you understand the game like I

Read like two by two sets and be like, okay two out to the flat. No one got in breaker You know, I mean, it's just like raw concepts have different levels to it You know when you're DB and look at a firsthand, but you know, it comes with experience, you know I mean, right I want to say necessary said when I was a rookie firsthand, but you know, it comes with experience, you know what I mean? I wanna say, necessarily say when I was a rookie, I knew that, you know, so the more and more time I had in the league and understanding the offenses and how they process, it slowed the game down for me for sure, so I think when you go on

Eastern every week and you know, you got the right feeling, preparation, I think all that ties in together. Yeah, hey, this is what I wanted to ask you too, because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do as long as I stayed within the time of the offense. And I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball,

being that you're so good, how much freedom do you have and reign to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme, based on the receiver that you're playing each week? Now, each week you're playing team number one. You're traveling with them, and every receiver is different. Do you change your game a little bit

in your approach to that specific player each week? Being that they're different? And do they allow you the freedom to do that in the secondary? I'm not sure how strict your coach is. I'm just curious. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some freedom. It depends on the call. we had different variations of calls.

You know, allowed you to be free. Like man to man, like you can switch it up, your leverage and stuff here. Like when I'm playing in the defensive scheme, I'm sort of like, if I'm in zone, I'm more solely focused on the quarterback sometimes. You know, I'm trying to bait the quarterback or give the quarterback this look and thinking of something else at the same time. But yeah, you know, you get a lot of lead way out there, you know, but it's all about, you know, playing confident.

You know, it all starts with your confidence and your ability. So I think with our defensive scheme, you know, Vance Joseph, he allows us to, you know, excel in our skill set. You know, I'm just playing free. I'm looking at you and like you play a DK Metcalf or Mike Evans, those are more big body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this, you're a rangey guy. I mean, you got you got long arms, you're long, I mean, you're 6'2". You're a legit 6'2.5". I ain't no way got long arms you you long. I mean you six to you a legit six two and a half I don't know

You're legit six two and a half Yeah, when you go up against a DK Medcalf on once play and now you got Jackson Smith and Jigma or you got locking on the next Play how different how difficult is for you to get it out? Like, okay, this guy's more physical Okay, I know I gotta be able to be strong at my initial point versus a guy that got fast twitched that's looking to get up out of there in a hurry. Yeah, that's the thing, man. Like, you know, people have this like notion

on Tardy B saying, you know, they can't get in and out of breaks, you know what I mean? I mean, obviously they know Tardy Bs may be physical, but that's the thing, like, as DB gotta have quick feet, you know what I mean? You got to be sudden as well too. So when I go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match up pretty well. Like that's my game being physical. But like them quicker, smaller receivers, that's cheap and quick.

It's like, okay, now I got to tie into my game a little bit more. No, now it's not our physicality, you know. It's all about the feet, being aware, being sudden. But, you know, that's just goes in, you know, towards the work in the off season, like making sure my short area of quickness up the par, you know what I mean? All that ties in together because, you know, them receivers stop on a dime, them bulls want to translate that, getting out the break and finishing on the play. So I think every week has its own challenge because, you know, sometimes I go against

a new receiver. I don't know any experience against them, but a guy can be quick and you know, you got to just read and react at the end of the day. So yeah. Listen, for me, my tough challenges, you know, during my tenure, during my career, obviously, you know, playing within the division, having to deal with the Ike Taylors, the Lee Baudens, obviously Derell Reivers being the best DB

I've ever gone against during my tenure in the league. Who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult to cover? Or would give you issues? I'm trying to find a way where you can give them, you know, their flowers without saying that they can beat you, you know, but there's always somebody. Yeah, you know, it's crazy because the receivers, it seems like every year, like, another receiver pops up, like people had under the radar.

So it's like, I'd be going through the lineage of receivers that I could see pop up like year in and year out, because I look at Sissies as well too. So you know, so like Ozzy Jamar, he had a great year, you know, I was with him. So you know, it was a good mashup between me and him. A good battle. Then we have like Devontae Adams. Yeah. Then we had good battles.

I look at dudes that I battle against, you know what I mean? Right. You know, we have all good matchups and um Let me see. I say Tyreek Hill. Oh And he's been like he was that dude for sure. He's that dude. So some good matchups. Pat, your dad senior, all-pro How much time did he spend with you

once you decided that you're gonna play DB? How much time did he spend with you? Did you guys watch film? Did he say, okay, look for this? Did he work with you on certain things? So what's been some of the lessons that your dad having a day of playing the NFL play at a high level?

What's some of the things that he's taught you? Yeah, I think it's an honor, being able to sort of know, sort of, you know, have that, you know, person, you know, like that played at a high level, you know what I mean? You know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game. I'm just, I just, you know, I'm just a sponge, you know, I'm soaking in everything he taught me, you know, from day one. So, you know, being able to translate that to the game now is honestly a blessing, but you know, I learned a lot.

I mean, he just knows the game, the ins and outs of the game. You know what I mean? He's played in the league for, you know, a long time. So being able to have that on my side with his experience, it helps a lot, you know, just from when I was in the backyard just doing drills with him, now just watching film and stuff whenever he had the chance to, I think it's honestly a privilege for

sure. Let me ask you this. At Alabama, Coach Saban spent a lot of time with the DBs. He was very, very hands on coaching. Eyes, eyes, this, feet, this, this, and this. Tell me about Coach Saban and his approach to coaching DBs and some of the lessons that he taught you. Because it seemed like Coach Saban was hard. I told you to do it like this! Yeah, that's him man.

The thing is about Saban, obviously he's very hands-on, but it's with a purpose. It's with a result that comes with it. The things he teach you You know, you just can't hear one ear not the other you got to really lock in and understand it because He'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day And then if you don't lock in that's when you like man, I can't trust you. You know, I mean, I can't put you on that field You know, so I think a lot of a lot of things he says was very, you know, prevalent, you know, to what he teaches. And, you know, it was a pleasure because, you know,

every once in a while you needed that, you know what I mean? You needed somebody to get on your ass and hear and there's, I mean, I think it was definitely a learning experience for me, but it was well worth it. You know, being coached by the greatest college football coach to ever do it, you know at the end of the day So, um, you know my times there spending with him I learned a lot, you know, it just when I take some of the lessons that he taught me

I sort of translated to league now, so What are those practices like you got Henry rugs you got Devontae Smith you got Judy Yeah, I mean you you got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here, I'm gonna take Judy. Hold on, he was the Balletnikov Award winner. Man, I got Devontae Smith.

He caught the game-winning touchdown at the National Championship game as a true freshman. He's the Heisman Trophy winner, he's the Balletnikov. Every award that he did there, he's like, nah, let me go on and jump on Waddle. You got a guy that's running four-two, bulls-eyedle. You got a guy that's running four-two, boom, got you. You got a guy that runs running four-two, bye you. I mean, what was practice like?

Because I know there had to be some ish talking going on, fam. For sure, it was competitive. It was like, through my college career, I wasn't even like, the games was the games. Like, the games were so easy because you know you want to be a boy. They were practice. I was so much worried about how I'm a performing practice The game you know I mean cuz I say you got Judy got waddle

He got smitty and rugs. It's like those were right there like you see in the game live in action He like man any one of these boys go for like 200 three tough easy You know if they want to, they got two at quarterback, Mac Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts. And he back there like, man, like, yeah, these some dudes, these some dogs. Yeah, it was a lot of shit talking though, like. We had competitive periods and like,

boom, like the defense will win. And the offense will get mad, get frustrated. And Sabre, you know, he a defensive coach, so you know, we ain't practice on a good note, you know, good speech, good practice. But boy, the office come back the next day. Light y'all arms. We have a tough day through them competitive periods and saving. You'd be like, break it down.

They're born weird. Just run gasses. This cause a defensive bad, man. He hate to see the defense lose, but like, but them practices, man, like I could vividly remember like us just like getting better like each and every day, like, you know, hot summer days through them grueling days, like it was well worth it because in the game it was like piece of cake. Boom, I know why I need to line up.

Like he do a release, boom, oh, it's easy. Like, I'm on the hip. When in practice, it's like, I need to lock in, get my A-jerk, you know what I mean? So, yeah, it was definitely memorable for sure. That's dope. You've had some incredible plays, bro. You know, obviously I've watched the highlights

numerous times, being that I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent DB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career, earlier, in your early career, in the early stages of your career. What's been your favorite moment in the NFL so far? Outside of getting drafted, I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment, but outside of that, what's been your favorite moment so far? Shoot I think I think it just happened winning that deep point, man

Yeah, that's pretty that's a pretty surreal feeling Yes, sir. I just think you know that just ties in all the work. I put in the offseason You know and just setting my goals aside, you know and put into fruition I think that was my favorite moment so far. But I say I say another thing is that's very underrated is, you know, building relationships, you know, across the league, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, building building bonds that, you know, around the league that, you know, you would you would cherish for a lifetime.

And that's one of the things that, you know, I've been able to get exposed to, you know, meeting great vets, you know vets, me being around great locker rooms, great presence like that. I think that's very cool. That's part of the NFL brotherhood. But yeah, I mean, I know I got a lot more years to go. So I know things will keep rolling, experience gonna keep coming. So now I'm very excited. I'm enjoying it so far.

How does a young man stay hungry? You had such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been an All-Pro. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You just won Defensive Player of the Year in your third year. What does Pat Sertan do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times, when people achieve an accomplishment, you climb a mountain, you're like, yes.

But the really great ones find another summit to scale. What does pastor tan do for an encore? Now I just realized at this point man, you know You've done everything, you know at some point, but there's always room to get better like sometimes I'd be like Like on this play like then I could have did something different here you like boom like Like on this play, like, man, I could have did something different here. Like boom, like, what's that next step in order for me to get there? You know what I mean? Like, I'm still a work in progress.

You know what I mean? I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know what I mean? People get into that, you know, I'm getting to that point where, you know, you know, people gonna bring their A game, you know, each and every week, you know what I mean? They gonna try, you know, have their best game against me, you know, have their best number against me. So I know like, you know what I mean? I still, I'm still hungry, you know what I mean? I'm still working. I'm still the same dude each and every week, preparing the right way,

fundamentally. And, you know, making sure I keep on shopping in my toolbox so you know this offseason I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day so. You guys had a great season. Speaking of offseason you know I got McLeese with me too now. Line him up. I'm being AZ. You know we can line him up. I'm being AZ. Oh you oh you way, Arizona. Yeah, I'm being AZ man Pat you ain't seen last year. Oh Joe tried to get off a dude man Dude shoved him under the sideline people put both hands in his chest not what he did stab left or right right left Yes, but hey listen Right here to him, he squeezed it. I said, aw, man, get outta here. Hey, listen, what you got done to you,

Pat, you, Pat, you gotta understand, now, I hadn't done no movement like that, man, in 12 years. The man asked you, did that happen? Nah, that ain't happen. This man. You say he lie? Yeah. I gotta see this.

Hey, wait, wait, wait, hey, listen. I mean, you don't have a chance, man. see this. Hey, wait, wait, wait, hey, listen. I'm having a good one. You don't have a chance, man. Come again? Wait, wait, wait. Come again in press play? Say that one more time. You don't have a chance.

That's what we thought. Bronco Clark, stand up! That's what we do. Hey, we're gonna get you on this one. You guys made the playoff your first couple years, didn't have a whole lot of success. This year, you seem to have found a quarterback in Bo Nitz, who was a rookie, played extremely well.

What are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond? Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just the start, you know what I mean, of a long journey ahead. I mean, like you said, Bo, you know, we got a great young core, you know what I mean, and we journey ahead. I mean, like you said, both, you know, we got a great young core You know, I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too

So now I'm looking forward to it man. I feel like We ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we wanted to because obviously he was you know Going into that playoff run looking for more but you know, it comes with it But now since we know how to get there is all about sustaining, you know And finishing the right way and getting to that next step. So I think that's the main goal, man, is just, you know, building the right pieces together. You know what I mean? I think with our team right now, I think we're gonna bring everybody back together as we split. So I'm looking forward to it. I

think we're gonna even be more hungry just because, you know, to the playoffs but not only that we got a lot more left in the tank so yeah yeah it's gonna be I'm excited. You're not satisfied. You can Pat has merch you can cop his merch at off-fieldshop.com off-fieldshop.com to cop some Tans to Second merchandise. Check it out. What do you have? Beanie's, hats, hoodies, what you got going on over there, Pat? You shirts, hoodies, beanies,

everything you need, limited edition. There it is. You're pulling limited edition. Rating Defensive Player of the Year, Bronco Country. Number two, Patser Tans to Second. Congratulations, Terryensive Player of the Year, Bronco Country, number two, Passer 10 to second. Congratulations, Telly Pops. I said, what's up?

Hope you're all well with the family. Continue success, bro. And you repping Bronco Country quite well, bro. Mile high salute. Y'all stay blessed. All right, bro. I'm all at y'all. For sure, bro.

Yup. All right. Yeah, that was, you see see we got on choke, huh? Boy, they know before was a bronco boy from the crib man. I ain't training all that He's right from the crib Ocho yes, sir This is how dominant he was I guess Seattle with those three headed monster DK mad calf Jackson Smith and jigsaw and Lockett. He gave up 39 yards.

He gave up 16 yards to the Steelers, eight yards to the Bucks, 22 yards to the Jets, 24 yards against the Raiders, not a single yard against the Chargers. He was out the next week. He gave up five yards to the Panthers, 15 to the Ravens, 18 to the Chiefs, zero yards against the Falcons,

35 yards against the Raiders, 25 yards against the Ravens 18 to the Chiefs zero yards against the Falcons 35 yards against the Raiders 25 yards against the Browns They want to buy week four yards to the Colts 23 yards against the Chargers 45 yards against Higgins and Chase and the 27 yards the five last game So he know you know you know you know it's a game. Oh Joe He gave up a little more than 200 yards Yeah, the funny thing about it is people will look at that and really not understanding how great that is We not we not talk about we not talk about a corner back that stays on one side of the field We're talking about a product that travels you know there have been very few that actually travel prime the rare Revis

I think champ Bailey at you know during his time. Champ did it, Rod Woodson did it. Yeah, I don't think people understand how difficult that is. Being able to play a team's number one receiver each and every week having to change your style of play based on who you're playing as well, you know, man. And Ocho, Ocho, you have to change according to what side of the field you're on. Oh yeah, everything changes. People don't understand that. It's the same thing just like, hey, on an upfield stance, you're on the left, you're on the right as a receiver. Hey, hey, the ball is, hey, it's funny man, you got a dominant eye. Yeah.

You got a dominant eye. Mm-hmm. But man, he had an unbelievable season, Ocho. He had an unbelievable season. Travis Kelphie plans to play next season. Kelphie, Tex Pat McAfee, I'm coming back for sure. Gonna try to get back to the best shape I've ever been this off season and get back to the mountaintop.

Got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played in the last game and how I got the guys ready for battle and I can't go out like that. I told y'all, I said it wouldn't happen. He was coming back simply for the fact the way it ended. No one is ending their career like that, you know? Especially a great one like Trapp, who's considered,

who most consider, including yourself, the greatest tight end of all time. If I'm gonna finish it, I want to finish it the right way Yeah, I'm not finishing it with that taste of my mouth. That's not happening Yeah for me, it's him if it's here in Gronk and you know people some people say Gronk some people gonna say Kelsey But if you look at the consistency and the longevity in which he's played with And with the exception of the last game, that's really the only game that you can say what travel didn't have it travel didn't come to Play right. He has the second. Trav didn't come to play.

He had the most catches in playoff history. He has the second most yards, the second most touchdowns and the consistency year in and year out. The thousand yards to even leading this team in receptions. Yeah, for me, that's it for me. But hey, if you say, if you say, uh, uh, Grant, you got a very compelling argument as well. Oh Joe, earlier today, Travis Hunter spoke about playing both positions in the NFL. Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say. They say everybody, nobody has ever done it for real the way I do it.

But I tell them that I'm just different. I'm a different person. I like it. I love the confidence. Yeah. You know, you and I play, we have experience. You and I played at the highest level. We've done it at the highest level consistently,

year in and year out, you know? Despite the accolades, you know, the resume, the hall of fame, the rings, the all pros, all that. And the one thing that you know you need when you play the game of football to be great is you need confidence. You need to be able to believe in yourself. Now whether we feel it's possible to do the fact that he believes he can do it, that alone

can be enough. Will it be enough? Now you understand how much playing both sides of the field. He ain't playing no 100 snaps a game for 17 games. That ain't happening. Okay. Yeah. Yeah I don't I don't think he realized how many 100 snaps is in the NFL college and then people don't realize the people There's a difference between college. I mean that receiver to Stanford receiver that went 200 on him

I don't even know if that guy's in the league And if he is he ain't playing a whole lot now Now you got Jetta one week, you got Chase one week, you got Cortland Sutton one week, you got AJ Devante, you got C.D., Tyreek, Waddle. Now you got them, week after week after week after week. Now you going up against, you got P.S. too, you got Denzel Warren, you got Stingley, you got Jalen Ramsey. Really?

Really? Oh, true. I listen. Um, and listen, as crazy as it may, as it crazy as it may sound, the one thing you need to have, not only confidence, but the belief that you can do something that's never been done before. Hell, he might shock the world. He might shock you. He might shock me.

He might shock the world. He might shock you. He might shock me. But if there's one person, if there's one person that might be able to do it based on his conditioning, you know, his small experience in being, playing both sides of the ball, I mean, there might be a wake-up call

once he gets at NFL and realize, okay, maybe More than I could chew We go see though because the thing the thing is I think he me personally I think he's better at DB than receiver Because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver and I think a lot of what he does is athleticism Yeah, you know this Mm-hmm If a boy they hunt on that deep side, they look for any weakness. You tip any route, they on your ass. If you lean the slightest, they gonna say

nothing. You're like, how you know I was running this? You tipping them off. Oh, they watching. Hey, why you think them guys be making play? You're like, damn, that's great film study. Yeah, it is great film study. But also, it's the slightest, the slightest hint. You about to come break, slightest hint,

you about to stop, man, they all on that. Them guys feet so good. They they feet ain't good, they feet great. And you get the best of the best Yeah, every every week because you know what I'll tell you You know number you to talk you to number one unit first of all you to dump you gonna be a hydra I think yeah, you know what receivers want to do to the hydra pick Okay, you in the office side of football what you think them DB is looking to do Cuz they know if they lock you up and get a pick

or they press you, they gonna get on Sports Center. I'm gonna make a name for myself against you. What did Pat say? Hey, I know guys gonna come and try to get catches on me. I know they gonna try to do to me. What you think they gonna try to do to a rookie DB wide receiver? Right.

They try to have him in jail. Hey, you gotta be on, you have to be on your best behavior every single game. Because what I tell people, Ocho and you know this, you look at a guy, you say, oh man, he ain't all pro, he don't go to no Pro Bowls. Everybody in that league has the ability to make everybody else in that league look foolish.

Every time. If you just say, oh, only TJ White can get a sack on me or only Miles Garrett. Boy, they got a guy that you ain't never heard of seen before. That joke about you before you know it. Mm hmm. And you thought, oh man, that ain't nobody, man. I'm feeling and the dude got you over there with the water cooler. You cannot underestimate anybody.

Right. At that level, because at some point in time on at that level, because at some point in time, when I was showing them a career, they were all conference, they were all this, they were all state, they were all something. Yeah. You don't make it to that level by accident.

You don't. Not at all. Not at all. I mean, you know what's funny? It's sometimes we look at the product, even though, I, I'm, I'm, you know, I ain't finna talk about nobody. Cause look at the product that was out there Super Bowl Sunday.

Yeah. Make you think twice about what you just said sometimes, especially that old line, boy. Hey, oh Joe, now a lot of mock drafts have him go into the Jags. Now Brian Thomas Jr.'s won. Could he slide in and beat two, three? Ooh, I like that, boy. I like that. And honestly, he wouldn't doubt to beat two, ones.

Honestly, if you think about it. Nah, he ain't gonna beat ones. Brian Thomas Jr. on a different level. Brian Thomas Jr. said, I'm not so sure Brian Thomas Jr. ain't a top 10 receiver right now. Forget that, I ain't talking about till next year. I ain't gonna wait till next year old chum. Top 10 right now. That's what I'm saying Yeah, I agree with that. I'm saying I'm saying Hunter just from an athletic standpoint and what he can do with the ball in his hands I don't think he would be a one you said a one and a two. I'm thinking them two ones. That's what I meant

Now I'm gonna have to pay I'm gonna pay, I gotta see it at that level. Okay, okay, okay, okay, I got you, I got you. We've seen a lot of ones in college, ain't no ones when they get to the NFL. And I've seen, it's kinda like what you see guys now, Ocho, a lot of teams say they shied away from taking college kids. Everybody looking to grab somebody out of the portal. Right.

Because that's why, Ocho, I've seen them do it at the college level. I don't have to speculate on what he can do. I already seen him do it. Right. And a lot of teams, Ocho, they're doing away with spring ball because they don't want nobody else to see them. Guys are taking a clip, sending them out, hey what y'all got for your boy? So teams are not having spring practices, Ocho, because they're so worried about other teams pillaging their players. Yeah. Hey man, I got $500,000 for you. All right. Deuces.

We out. Hey, Ocho, you in Oregon State, you done did that thing in that heck of Oregon State, Ocho. We got $650,000 for you. Boy. Man, grandma, grandma, ain't no more potty meat, ain't no more potty sausage, mama. Yeah, man, right away, 6,950?

Listen, that mean, that tell you there, I wouldn't have had to do what I was doing back then, you know, and, you know, man. But that's a whole nother story, bro. Yeah, it's, like I said, I'm anxious to see. Like I said, and I've said this from day one, I feel he's a better corner than a wide receiver because I think he's a little unpolished in that area. And it's hard to get polished in one area when you're working on something else.

Because normally guys that get good at something don't show what do they do. That's something. Mm- guys that get good at something, don't show what do they do. That's something. You good at something. Orthopedics, they're good at Dr. Neal Eletron, Dr. James Andrew, they're good at what they do. They're not trying to do neurosurgery. They're not trying to do anesthesiology. They're not trying to kid a trauma surgeon. The orthopedics.

You get good at doing something. It's boring, but it's a lot of repetition. How do you get good at being a great wide receiver and a great DB? At that level, now he was sensational in college, but we're talking about the Crim Delacrim. That's my thing. How did he put that kind of time in to really hone and focus the skill sets? Okay, I'm going to be taught this and I'm going to be taught that.

Do I believe he had Deon not play DB and says, I I want to vote all my time to play a wide receiver? I believe time could have been made to the Hall of Fame as a wide receiver. He had that kind of ability. Yeah He had that kind of ability. Like I said people don't realize just how good he was I mean people, you know look at look at the brashness and they look at all the chains and the flashy stuff But you had to see it You gotta see the person I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either and the blue plashes stuff, but you had to see it. You gotta see it in person. I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either.

Nah, you gotta see it. I'm talking about in person. You gotta be able to feel it, yeah. I saw him in his absolute prime. I saw defensive player of the year prime. I saw prime cowboy prime, Atlanta prime. I saw that guy. 49er prime.

Yes, yes, we played him. When he won defensive player of when he had when he first went to the 49ers. Yeah, it's all in yes different absolutely He he was that he absolutely was so I'm rude for travel. I Think he's one of the top two or three players in all the draft now whether or not that equates to him going number one Overall you can hear it about the kid out of all I keep saying kid But the young man out of Penn State Abdul Carter Abdul Carter. Yeah, he has a stress fracture at his foot doctors

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or wherever you get your podcasts. They said, uh, doctors have advised them dual Carter gifts foot surgery. According to the agent, Drew Rosenhouse Carter, a potential first overall draft pick in the NFL has a stress reaction in his right foot and were put and was facing the possibility of surgery after tests revealed the injury on Wednesday But after undergoing further scans on his foot Carter will work out Penn State Pro Day on March 28 Rosenhouse says he now considers the stress reaction a non-factor to Carter's draft status Ocho remember you see what happens He goes to the dog. He goes somewhere, and what do they do?

They give him the test, and you got a bo-boom. Mm-hmm. Then we'd have this conversation about the guy from the Hornets. The Hornets, yeah. He goes to other doctors. Mm-hmm. But as good as that dude, Carter, is,

guess what's gonna happen? He's still gonna be in that top three. Oh, yeah, for sure. Still gonna be in that top four, you know? Because, Elcho, if you got a quarterback, I need to have somebody that can go get the quarterback. I need somebody to hunt his ass down. So I need somebody to disrupt everything going on.

Yes. Al Davis famous quote, quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard. And it needs to happen, it did happen in the first couple of possessions. Right. Hey, go back to look at the way the Raiders used to play back in the 70s and the 80s,

when it was really, it was no-holds-barred. You can't play like that now, Ocho. No. But the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard. Right. Because he's the head of the snake whatever I say Kill the head the hands down later Everything he controls everything so you got that you got that and if the quarterback is the most

Important position Ocho. I got to have somebody go track it now. I need that bounty hunter. Oh, yeah I did a what was what was that movie with Tommy Lee Jones? When he was tracking people down, Wesley Snipes? What was that movie? Tommy Lee? Yeah, Tommy Lee Jones. What's Marshall? US Marshall, US Marshall.

Remember that? I ain't seen that in a minute, boy. You gotta have a bounty hunter. Yeah. And that's what Miles Garrett, that in a minute, boy. You gotta have a bounty hunter with you. You gotta have a bounty hunter. Yeah. And that's what Miles Garrett, that's what T.J. Watt, that's what an Abdul Carter, that's what a Michael Parsons, that's what a Swett, that's what those guys, Nolan Smith III, that's what those guys are. I got to go get you.

I got to go get you. I can't let you have a clean pocket. I need to create chaos in your life. Mm-hmm. Yeah young boy nice though young boy And he was giving him hell you know the damn hell with one shoulder Mm-hmm. Yeah, one move and they can barely stop that one move. I can imagine when he if he's healthy now Oh Lord, and he had a nice little package to his game. He gonna be nice. You look at how he's built, he's really angular.

So that lets me know he can transfer speed to power. He got a rep, he can over arm, he can just straight up bull you. He can get around the edge and dip. That's what all the rushes. You gotta be able to bring the corner. Can you beat me? Hey, he's not that big.

He's a little undersized. I call it undersized. I call it undersized. He's probably gonna weigh 235, I would assume, won't you? So he's a little undersized. He's more like a Vaughn Miller or Michael Parsons. Yes, yes, yes. Now Michael got some. Very quick.

I think Michael probably like 250 now. Yeah, very quick. I think Michael probably to 250 now. Yeah But earlier but early, oh, yeah Yeah, those guys the DT's the guys that be able to be in I mean they can be parallel to the ground Turning that corner and guys trying to punch and they under the punch Yeah, that's special he's special man, oh yeah, the reason. Listen, there's a reason he wore that 11 at Penn State, man. Oh yeah, well, that number was made famous by Michael Ward and what's the other guy's name? LeVar. LeVar Erickson. Yeah. Oh!

Hey, remember LeVar's the famous play we jumped over the line? Yeah, the Superman play. And because, you know, bar was two, Courtney Brown was one. Courtney Brown went to Cleveland. LeBar went to the Washington. Yeah. So, Courtney Brown. Mm hmm. Oh, Joe, the Eagles are reportedly a real threat to go after Myles Garrett They expect Josh Sweatt to move on Josh Sweatt is not gonna only one that's be moving on my kid

I think it's Michael Michael Williams Williams the other D tackle. He gonna be going to He'll be going to Hey, oh hey listen, I saw I saw the reports today The Browns are willing to negotiate with Miles Garrett. I don't want that. Guess what? My new team gonna negotiate too. Hey, and he said no.

He said no and I'm sure they're probably gonna stand firm unless they get an offer that they can't refuse and I think that's what the Eagles will have to do in order to get Miles Garrett over there. Listen, with Howie, with Howie and- I don't put a pass on him. I don't put nothing passing him. Based on the way things have been going,

you miss a few pieces, but you add someone like Miles Garrett to that defense? Man, you already got jail and cartel? Commander's gonna be in play too? Miles Garrett is unwilling to negotiate a contract extension with the organization, as his agents have apparently slammed the door shut on any discussions per Mary Kay Cabot. Listen, when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Browns,

listen, when Diana Rossini, when she speaks about the Jets, when Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, I hope... You listening. Yeah. I hope you're listening. When those young, when those women speak about an issue, about sad teams, they're plugged in. Yeah. I'm talking about plugged in like a hot comb. You know what I'm saying, Old Joe? Oh yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Garrett remains firm. He no longer wants to be in Cleveland. Look, 29-year-old defensive player of the year, 29-year-old guys that have four consecutive 14 sack seasons, those guys don't grow on trees.

And let me ask you this. Do you think there's a guy in the draft that can give you that kind of production over the next five years? Okay, so it doesn't matter where you are. I trade him. Now, if I'm a defense, you know, I'm a defense player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive

player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive player, I'm a defensive think there's a guy in the draft that can give you that kind of production over the next five years. Okay, so it doesn't matter where you are.

I trade him. Now, if I'm a defense, you know, if I need something to shore up my defense, Phyllis said we good offensively. We can get better defensively. And if that means, you know, we trade a couple of first round draft picks, you're probably going to have to throw in a talent. A young player, you're probably going to have to do that. The commander, you're probably gonna have to throw in a talent. A young player, Ocho, you're probably gonna have to do that. The commander, you're probably gonna have to do that.

But at that point in time, look, I don't care nobody them picks, because I believe, Ocho, we're gonna be picking 30th, 31st, or 32nd anyway, because we're gonna be in the championship game or the Super Bowl, that's what I believe. I know for certain, I'm not getting a Miles Garrett with the 30th, the 31st, and the 32nd pick.

I could. I could. But the likelihood isn't that good. Normally those guys, your Derrick Thomas, your Bruce Smith, and so forth, and so on, like that. Those guys, every once in a while, you'll find a Johnny Randall that was an undrafted free agent. Oh, yeah.

But that doesn't happen often. Right. You'll find a diamond in the rough. You'll find a Terrell Davis or Shannon Sharp or Tom Brady in the later rounds. But more, listen, don't you stake your career on trying to find diamonds in the rough. Oh no, that didn't work. You go barely up. You go barely up.

But look, it all depends on Cleveland, what's your asking price. We know this, Ocho, it's gonna take two ones. Now you're gonna, if it's this draft, you're gonna have to pick swap, so you have to, hey, you have to give up your pick, cause they're keeping theirs, you have to give up this first year pick,

and next year's first round pick, probably a second and a fourth. Right. Or second and a third and probably a player. Feeling like we got no problem feeling. Say, look, we pick it 32nd. Guess what? We hold it. We pick it 32nd next year and y'all can have it.

Y'all can have them. Yep. most definitely. Long as we getting the results. Long as we get Miles Garrett. That's the aesthetic. What's Jayla Hersey, year six? You got Devontae in year five? You got AJ?

Man, bro, I'm not worried about that. We gonna be good. Yeah. I'm not even concerned about those draft picks knowing where we are, what we have, who we are. Take them. Take them. You can't, you can't have Jaylon Carter.

You can't have, uh, uh, uh, Michael. Quinian, Michael, you can't have Mitchell. Yeah. Kenyan Mitchell. You can't have him, Mitchell, excuse me. Yeah, Kenyatta Mitchell. You can't have him. Everything else, Ocho, is in play. It's on the table, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. For Miles Garrett? Yeah. You just said, put Miles Garrett with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis Boy Slap me slap me and slap me and call me silly and and you got the Nola Smith, Jr Yeah, hey y'all felt only 230

But he paid He can go now. We're here. Hey, I heard, I saw him dropping offensive lineman at 230. He hitting 330, guys 330. I know they talking about it felt like trees falling on the head. Oh, so I'm talking about he in the grill. I'm talking about hey, he put me a helmet under this day chin. I'm At 230

So yeah, but miles for an opportunity to get miles Garrett Guys like this. Oh Joe don't become available And the age of 29. Normally they have issues, off the field issues. They're coming off multiple injuries. Injuries, yeah. He's uninjured. He's clean off the field.

Yeah. That's the kind of guy that you're willing, that's the guy. That's not no rolling the dice, but that's the guy that you say, okay, we'll give up two first rounds. We'll give them a second. We'll give up a third and a young talented player to get a guy like that. Yeah, absolutely. Let me grab a bottle. Let me grab a water. Go ahead. But Cleveland's gonna try everything, chat, to try to keep Miles Garrett. They think it's about money. Miles Garrett's like, bro, y'all just gave me a 125.

I'm straight on the money issue. The problem is here is not the money, it's the winning. I got money, I'm getting money, but I'm miserable. Week five, we out of playoff contentions. We got no hope, we got no quarterback. And I don't really wanna waste another one, a year or two to try to build this thing back up. He's made it abundantly clear.

He don't wanna be a part of a rebuilding process. He wants to go somewhere that gives him a legitimate chance in order to win the championship. Cause that's what it's about. He's been an all pro. He's been defensive player of the year. Now he's like, man, let me get, let me, let me, let me go play meaningful ball games. There's nothing like playing meaningful ball games in December and

January with a chance to play in February. So it's not the money. I mean, yeah, they would be willing to make him the highest paid, but he gonna be miserable because they're not gonna win. Yeah. And you would think for all he's done so far in Cleveland, he's done everything he can.

They know, the team knows, the organization knows it's in a rebuilding stage. Why would you keep a player like that? Why would you keep a player like that knowing that he can do you no justice in competing for a championship? Allow him to go while you rebuild and do your thing, get some assets and picks for him and start over.

I agree. We say that now with your we don't do it, if we the gym, we're clean, we ain't trying to let him go either. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean, being you, being you saying that, that's not the biggest piece of the puzzle that we got that we can trade.

Right. Hey, come on, Miles. Hey, bro, we're gonna make you the highest pay. We got 35 million per year. We're willing to give you five years 175 million dollars because Worth and we're willing to get we willing to fully guarantee a hundred million of that Now I think I'm gonna have to go and mosey on that to do

Cuz guess what? Somebody else will give me that too. And we got a chance to win. Yep. Which is much better cause I done got enough money. Well, you can't ever have enough money. Oh yeah, I know what you mean. Isn't that no such thing as enough, but I'm doing pretty well for myself. You like to be doing better.

I mean, if Elon Musk is worth 450 billion and he still trying to get contracts, federal government contracts, federal government contracts, yeah, me and you ain't got no billions. So we definitely tried to make his meet. You're right about that. But yeah, Miles, I understand once, you're going on the stomach so much. Can't tell you nothing about money, money, money, money.

Okay, when I got money, and then here I am, I'm going out there, would I put my body through to get ready to make sure I go. Boy, that's quite cool, that. What you looking at? Oh, I'm looking at this chat. We trying to get Tank plugged in. Are we good to go, Ash yet? Oh, okay. It's easy to say, Ocho. Are we good to go Ash yet? Okay

It's easy to say Ocho Money money money, but when you competitive And you see everybody else getting an opportunity to play meaningful football You see everybody else played in AFC and NFC championship game. They played in a Super Bowl and here I am I'm one of the premier players. I don't know what else he can do And we don't have no chance. We got no chance whatsoever of playing meaningful games in December We're not playing anything meaningful in January. My see damn near week 10 I'm already thinking about what I'm gonna do in offseason. Oh, he's an old

So With that being said, I understand Miles' frustration. He's had it up to here, wherever he is, his six-four, six-five self. He just wants to move on and have an opportunity to play meaningful football in December and January. And I'm not so sure Cleveland can provide that over the next two years. And he says, I want to be somewhere where I can compete for a championship. And I don't believe that's in Cleveland.

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