Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: D Wade CHECKS Pat Beverley + Charles Barkley goes VIRAL Signing an AUTOGRAPH + Browns owner Jimmy Haslem WALKS BACK DeShaun Watson COMMENTS + Andrew Berry WILL SPEND Time with Ty Simpson

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Dwayne Wade responds back to Patrick Beverly after Pat Bev said James Harden is better than Dwayne Wade, a Viral clip of Charles Barkley telling a fan he only can sign one autograph, and Browns owner Jimmy Hallam walked back his comments on DeShaun Watson and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...08:05 - D Wade not letting Pat Bev go unchecked23:20 - Viral clip of Charles Barkley35:15 - Browns owner Jimmy Haslam walked back his comments on DeShaun Watson46:35 - Andrew Berry says he’ll spend more time with Ty Simpson (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's Chad Ochosenko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. As you can see behind me, we thank you. We can't thank you enough because from the very beginning when we started this in in September of

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so like you guys did. We can't thank you enough because none of this is possible without you. You make it worthwhile. You make us, you know, try to come up with clever topics to talk about. Ocho and I try to keep you entertained as well as keep you informed and educated on certain topics,

especially football. And we try to have different people on here so they can talk about their particular sport. And so we want to thank all those people that made it possible. Gil was the first contributor that we had. And then we had JR. And now we have ISO who's done an unbelievable job. And he's opened up and showed a side of his personality

that a lot of people, including myself, didn't even know who possessed. So everybody that's been a part of this, thank you for helping Nightcap, become the success, Ocho and I and the night camp family can't thank you enough because none of this is possible. Everybody contributed whether you were on for, you know, three months or like Joe's been on for over a year now. So thank you guys so very, very much. And I so thank you, thank you for wanting to be a part of this and signing on for one night and two nights and three nights and you've been on as many as four nights in a row. So Ocho and I can't thank you enough

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I don't know who the elf I deal with this bull, guys. Hey, but who's going to clean that up, uh? They're going to clean this issue up because the cleaning people came early today. They should have did this bull job last night. Oh, yeah. Man, look at this best. You're good. You good.

Hey, hey, listen, Uncle, man, two million. man, that's an amazing feat, man, you know? Yeah, they got two million pieces of, uh, uh, gojo on my floor. Hey, that, eh, that's two million out the mud, too. That's two million off the muscle, huh? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. We didn't take over no part.

We didn't take up nobody's side that already had a million, a million, a million five, two. No, no, no, no, no. We grew this thing from zero, uh, uh, you know, Jay Duff from Akron and, and, and, and, uh, Dr. Frankie, all those that, the OGs that with the first night that we had like 300. And each night we build incrementally. Guys, we can't thank y'all enough. This ain't possible without you guys. And thank you guys for making this possible.

Thank you for helping nightcap become success. All the awards that you see behind us. Hopefully we're fortunate enough to get nominated again and win even more awards. That's only because of you. But even if we don't win, we feel that we're already success. because we've done what many people, we've created a space and now we were the first in this space. And now you see there are more,

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Again, I can barely see this bulljide. They got a little bit of a bullshit in my floor. Man, Ocho, you see the thing, made it look like an imparted upon a bomb after that. It's a bulljazz. Now I'm going to have to take another shower. I'll be a shower number three today. Well, you're taking another shower just because of some confetti?

Yeah. I ain't friend to go to bed. We had this bulljazz in my name. Hey, one thing about you. Boy, you're going to waste some water. Boy, you hear me? You're going to wait. I ain't wasting no water.

Get my money. I'm curious to see what your water bill look like at the end of the month. It ain't that bad. They don't come to watch the car but once a week, so, I mean, once a month, so we're good. But, man, the table, the floor.

The hell. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, it's bad. Oh, look at your flow. Okay. Hey, hey, hey, look. It's a celebration. Man, I have a drink up here that got stuff all in my dreams.

Hey, it's a celebration tonight, man. So it's cool. It's good. It's good. It's good. Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Hey, they're going to be here cleaning.

They're going to be here for a while, too. Oh, Joe, we got to start with some basketball news. D. Wade isn't letting Pat bear a recent assertion that James Hardin is a better player than him go unchecked. Dway fired back saying he'd never faced him in his prime and still couldn't F with him and do with the older. version. You don't know the rap of me as a player. You don't know that portion and you still couldn't help with me being. But Pat dog is a bad, uh, Pat is a dog. Pat is good defender. And Pat had an incredible career. But no certain conversations can't have, you can't have, bro. I'm

just telling the truth. Don't ever fix your mouth to say anybody is better than me when you wasn't better than me. Like you can't do that. You're talking about a better player. You're talking about every aspect of the game. Pat Bell responded, damn, flash went free. The truth is the truth, and you're wrong. I was a way better three-point of shooter than you. Our career three-point percentage wasn't even close. D. Wade shot under 30%. Pat Bell is a career 37.1 shooter.

7 and three against you, love, gang. Way responded. You see the little OG. He's looking like, uh, really, really, dude. Hey, hey, uh, what you're thinking? I mean, I'm not, listen, I think about D. Wade, obviously, championships, and one of the things when it comes to comparison, and you know comparison is the Thief of Joy,

especially when it comes to certain players, D. Wade, James Harden, very, very good, very, very good. Their styles of player are somewhat different. We've seen, you know, we're completely different, but we've seen D. Wade do it in the playoffs. We've seen him show up big time in games, and then obviously the knock on Hardin would be with him, you know, obviously playoff time, him disappearing,

not having high output as far as scoring is involved, his point total being low when it mattered most. But obviously, you can't take away the greatness from both of them and what they did. Obviously, when it comes to comparison, the first thing people are going to do, as you've taught me, is accolades matter, rings matter, what you've done in the postseason matters.

So obviously, I think most people would lean toward D-Wade, and when you remove the accolades and what they've done, as far as championships and playoff wins, then it comes down to preference on whose style of play that you like more. Correct. I agree with you. Look, the only pushback that I would have

is that when Dee Wade said, you can't say that because unless you were a better player than me. So in other words, because Pat Bell wasn't a better player to you, he was not allowed to have an opinion. You do realize, like, what we see in sports meetings today, a lot of that is opinion-based.

shows like first taking undisputed and all these shows that have popped up. They have two people, three people, four people up there and they're offering their opinions. That is Pat Bell's opinion. I disagree. I think D. Wade is he the score that James Hardin was? Probably not. Was he a better rebounder? Yes. Was he a better defender? Yes. Was he a better? James Harder is an owner-the-ball guy. He had a ball in his hand. D. Wade played off the ball mainly. He was a better slasher. He was a better a cutter. So there are aspects that D-Wade was better than hard. There are aspects that

hard was better than D-Wade. But the only pushback, and I love that D-Wade came back and he broke it down and he explained it. His side of the story says like, when you look at it like this, say that's your preference. You like that James had to step back and you like the James average 35, 36 and had that great streak. You like that. But to say that he's a better player, I'm going to need you to give me some read some factual information of why he was a better player. my only thing the only thing that I push back on D Wade and this has been an old adage for athletes you know if you weren't better or you didn't play

you can't have opinion it doesn't make it right it doesn't make it wrong and Pat Bev might sincerely believe that James Hart is a better player because if we have an athlete and can't nobody if Tom Brady said bro because you weren't a better player you can't critique or say this or that well can't nobody check him because who's going to say well with a better player nobody can't

nobody can't say anything so if that's the case d way ain't nobody do it in this space can say anything about your game other than probably shack and charles markley because those are the holy players that really theoretically have a legit case that's in this space that can say you know what i would i would uh shack and and maybe chuff so that's the only pushback uh and that you had to learn i've had to learn that after getting in this space after having so many athletes getting them with me because i'm like bro that's just my opinion. I'm not saying that you're not a bad, that you're a bad player, but based on my eye test, I think X is better than what. Right. I mean, and that's okay. And so I, and I've gotten

away from that. I didn't really have a problem with, I mean, I didn't really have a problem when people can't keep in it is easy to say. Because my thing is, I'm like, I hear guys talk a lot now, Ocho, and I'm like, well, damn, if this is easy as it's saying, why do you do it? Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. When I'm talking about things, a lot of things that I tell guys to do when I play the tight in position of receiver, I kind of did it. So I have a pretty good ideal understanding what they should be doing or how they should go about doing.

It doesn't make me always right, but that's my opinion on certain things. But I do love, look, these guys today, you can say they're sensitive or whatever, but they're not going to let guys take shots at them or what they feel is a shot from a distance. They're going to respond. And the thing, what thing is, Ocho, is that we don't know how the guys in the 80s, 90s, or the early 2000s would have responded because there's no social media. So it was basically sports writers saying, well, this guy, Jordan is better than this guy or that guy's better than that guy. Now you got people. Some played the game. Right.

Some didn't. But you got it. If you got a phone, you get to have an opinion now. And your opinion goes out because somebody, somebody's going to screenshot it. somebody's going to clip it or retweet it repost it retweet it rid of the coach case may be and so now oh yeah absolutely that that's why that's why the whole point especially based on who it is before you hit the send button the bigger the name the bigger the platform the more reach huh that and i for me uncle i kind of love social media because it is allow it allows everyone to have a voice now

it allows everyone to have an opinion now and these these ongoing debates whether it be whether whether it be football, whether it be basketball, whether it be soccer, I like it. I think it's healthy because now we get to understand on who people like, what preference it is that they like, you know, when it comes to style of play and in comparisons. Hell, the Michael Jordan, the LeBron debate. Now we have the D. Wade, you know, the James Hardin debate. And obviously, an ongoing one that will probably go on long after the Disham plan is the Cristiano Ronaldo in the messy debate.

You know, those are never ending debates and people will pick aside based on the preference. and who they like more. Regardless to accolades, regards to resume, regard to championships, regards to trophies. And just the way, there's just the way it would be. Ocho, but it's always been like that. When you take four guys to, and the wide receiver at the Pro Bowl,

what are you doing? You're saying, in your opinion, this guy had a better season than that guy. When I take a guy that's first team all NBA, second team all NBA, third team all NBA, what am I saying, Ocho? In my opinion, this guy had a better season than you. First is second team all defensive.

This guy had a better season to you. MVP, it is my estimation that this guy was more valuable this season to his team than you were this season to your team. That's a matter of opinion because we've seen guys not score as much as a guy and win the MVP as opposed to a guy that's averaging 35, 36, 37. So in their opinion. So basically all of this stuff when you dealing with it is an opinion. Basically it's not it's not factual. Okay, what service provider? I like this.

I like this service provider. Okay, it's my opinion. That makes it true. But I like, I thought D. Wade, I didn't expect this, I didn't expect D Wade. I thought D Wade like once he addressed it, he was going to be done with it, but he came back again. But obviously, you know, hey, I think,

the thing is that when when you critique historically great players and when they put so much time into it they look at it like who are you to critique me or my play and this is the thing let me tell you why d-wave responded if it was a pundit if it was the analyst that's in one ear and out the other but now you have a player that played the game with you at the highest level that was really good at what they did obviously on the defense end as opposed to the officer end but oh i got to respond to this this how you feel well let me let me give you the factuals on how i really feel regards to what your opinion is so i think that's why d re responded if it was anybody else he wouldn't he wouldn't he wouldn't respond it because yeah i don't i don't i don't well first of all i

mean i don't think they're going that in depth i mean obviously pat bell played with james hard and so there's some familiarity. I don't know how close they are friends, but he played on the same team with James Harden for a number of years. And so he probably has a fondness for James Harden, not to say he doesn't have a fondness for Dee Wade. And his mind, I really believe that Pat Bell believe that James Hardin is a better basketball

player than Duane Wade. I believe that. Now, look, he's getting back into this space and congratulations, Pat, because we've had Pat Bell on and he's unbelievable. And hopefully he can pick right up where he left off, get back going because we need Pat Bell's in this. space. He understands the game of basketball and I value his opinion. I don't have to agree. Just like people, I like to think that they value our opinion, Ocho, although they don't have

to agree with us. And just because you don't agree with us all the time, I don't feel that makes my opinion any less value, valuable, or valid. This is what I think. Okay, you can agree or you can disagree. But I think sometimes, you know, people, people really do get upset and take it the heart. Well, the players, the players you're talking about. They take it the heart. Sure. Right.

But I have a question. Just for clarity, you know, in chat. I would love to see your answers as well in the, you know, in the common section. Let's take championships. Let's take playoff success out of it. Basketball player, skill set, value to said team that you played on during their prime. Who's the better player with the IT? test. Just that just eye test. If you're a basketball fan, who's a better player? Forget

championship. I don't know how you take that out. Who's the better player? Well, let me ask you question. Who's the richest man if we take money out? We got to have something to say somebody's better because I think the thing is that when we look at it, you look at De Wade and what he did. You look at James Hardin and what he did. Uh, and De Wade made a great point. For the most part, he played a little point guard. But that wasn't making his title. James Harden, even when he was in, okay, C, he would have the ball a lot because when he came in, they would take Russ out. And sometimes even when they put him back in, especially in the third quarter when they're closing, they trusted James Hart with the ball. When he went to Houston, he always had the ball.

Even when he went to Brooklyn, they moved Kyrie off the ball and put Hardin on the ball. When he left the net, the net, the net, he went to Philly. He had the ball. When he went to the clippers, he had the ball. So they're so different. If you wanted to say like a Jordan and a Kobe and a DeWay because all of those guys primarily played off the ball, I think you would have a more compelling argument

because all those guys being obviously Kobe and LeBron and Jordan defended at an elite level. I think eight, nine times all defensive first teams. I think Jordan did win a defensive player of the year. Kobe did not win one of those. Neither to D-Way. D-Way wasn't all defensive. player.

It's kind of hard when guys don't play the same position or don't play similar. T.O. is so different than Randy. Completely. Yeah. T.O. is more run after the catch. Randy could run after the catch. Randy was more of a malsh you, jump over the top of you or deep threat. But it's so it's really hard to compare.

Damn. It's hard to compare. It's hard to compare Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. Tom Brady throws so much from the pocket. Patrick Holmes is all over the place. He can throw from the pocket. But rolling left, rolling right, he's going to try anything.

Brady's a little bit more cautious with the football than some of these other guys. But I love D. Wade's response. I love how he broke it down. I love he said, hey, look, I was more of a combo guard. James is more of a true point guard. James probably is a better score than me. But, hey, rebounding, defending, nah.

I like it. I ain't giving you that. And, you know, both are all top 75 players. So in the 80 year history of the NBA, there are the 75 greatest players based on the panel selection, D. Wade and James Hardin, they're in that room. They're in a very select room. I don't know, probably 5,500,000, 6,000 players have played the NBA.

And to say you're one of the absolute best, I think that's big bar in. That's, that's, oh, man, that's, you, you have to nickpick, especially when to come to players of the top 75 of all time in history, you got a nitpick at the point when it comes to the difference and what separates the two. But here's the thing, Ocho, if we're not nitpicking, it's not even close.

You see, we got a nitpick. That's the whole, because if you're not nitpicking, what are we even discussing? Why are we even having a conversation if we can't nitpick? Because if it's a foregone conclusion, why are we even having a discussion. There's a video going viral of Charles Barkley getting into a car

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like, I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening in the WBA. And yeah, we talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey, man, we got a call last night, man, you can't be rolling around the city like this tonight before games, no, you know, doing this, doing whatever. And of course, family stories. They'll be like, mommy, why did you miss that? Mommy, do you play basketball?

Check out game recognized game with Stuy and Miles on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Use the same time. Hey, man. I'm good. It's my second time to try, my first time here. Please, sir. All right.

I'm doing one. That's it. I'm doing one. Do one more, please? Use the same pen? I said one, motherfucker. You understand English. That's one.

That's it. That's it. Thank you, Mr. Barkwood. Oh, my God. I don't have no problem with what Chuck said. It's a problem. Cho, it's a problem. Because you go somewhere when I was at CBS

or when I worked at Fox or when I worked at a ESPN, people are outside with jerseys and glossy photos and blanks. Want you to sign a blank so they can run it off and just print as many of your Shannon Sharp 84 as they won't. No. If you want to put a dinner napkin on the internet and try to sell that, but if anybody going to be making money

out of my signature, it's going to be me. Yeah, I get it. I'm going to a, an authorized signing. Right. I mean, people don't get that. Yeah. Yeah.

Bro, they don't, they're not valuing that. They want you to sign that so they can go back money. I don't know why people don't understand that. They're not fans. They're sellers. That's not a small, that's not a dad and this kid. That's not a mom and her son. That's not a family.

They got glossy-ass photos, the same photos with the same NFL labeling on it that I sign when I go to a sign a sign. Yeah. The same jerseys. They come up there with blank 84th and expect me to sign it. You know what? I understand what Chuck is coming from. I also understand where you're coming from.

But to me, the market is the market. Based on who you are, you got that yellow jacket. You hear me? So your marketing and your value when it comes to signing cards, whether it's privately or with a company, your market value is what it is no matter what. Charles Barkley, market value when it comes to signing, whether he signs all of them or doesn't sign any of them,

his market value is still what it is. And you command the dollar that he commands regardless. So that's why when it comes to signing autographs, I sign them all. I sign them all or as many as I can. You set your market. You lower the value. No, you're already set. You can't lower the value based on what you do.

No, it is. Your value, Ocho, your value would be higher if you didn't sign everything. Why you think Tom Brady, why you think these. guys don't sign. Wait a minute. They do sign. What do you mean? They don't sign.

No, they don't, they don't sign cards. They got a Jordan got it. I mean, Jordan can't sign. A lot of these guys can't sign cards because they've signed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Their values already set.

They're back. Again, I just said your back. You have a gold jacket. You are Shannon. You are Shannon. Yes. Yes. Sharp.

I don't care if we went out there and sign a hundred cards your value is what it is based on what you've already done you've already done it you've already put the work in but the value remains high because i don't sign there's not there's not an influx out there i signed every three five years if i signed if i signed every card so what's the value all you doing is lowering the value you know i'm not understanding your value is based on what you've done not because they're the influx of your product out there also who wants to buy a card that everybody can get the hand on who wants to buy a card who wants to about a jersey. No, you don't.

Oh, I got a question. I got a, you know what? I was, I was going to go somewhere else with that. I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to go there. Oh, Cho, there's a reason why a one of one, a one of 25, a one of 50, there's a reason why that costs more? Why does that cost more, Ocho? Because there's only 50. There's only 25. There's only

five. There's only 10. It's simple mathematics. No, no, no. Hey, listen, you're not understanding who you are. And I got to sit here and break it down to you who you are. You are Super Bowl winning champion. Three times Super Bowl winning champion. Hall of Fame player, 260, mother, 47. Your value, your market value when it comes to signing is what it is no matter what's out there.

Because you can command that based on what you've done. Not because there's the influx of your product already out there that's already signed. You're missing the point on who you is. No, I got the point. Let me ask you question. Is marijuana cheaper now or was it cheaper 30 years ago? 30 years ago. Why?

Because it's accessible now. Everybody can get their hands on it. Thank you very much. Alcohol. Once they made alcohol, once they did away with a prohibition because guess what? You had to sneak and get it. They charge you whatever you want because you didn't have access to get it. That's how it works.

Let me take some. Now, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. That same weed used to get way back in the day, right? There wasn't too many strands. Now, I don't know about weed, but I know there's multiple strands of weed that you can get. You can get something that's cheap,

and you can get something that's extremely high. So it's the same thing. What if you had that strand that was extremely high way back then? How much would it cost? A brick. How much does a brick cost now? Compared to the back then.

A brick back then was about 23. Now it's about 32. And I'm telling you from experience. Boy, first of all, a brick. You know what I'm in to Google this. I'm telling you, I used to be, hey, listen, I don't mean to put my business out there, but I'm when I was 16, 17, you know, I used to be a runner for the Senator-in-law cartel.

So I could tell you how much a brick is, because I used to have to have to package everything. Huh? But I'm telling you, Uncle, you know, I understand. I understand what you mean. I understand what you're saying, but you're not the average player, where as if if you sign publicly for a few people that is going to change your market value because of what you've already done,

your value is set based on what you did way back yonder. Huh? Listen to me when I tell you. I'm telling you what I know. I ain't tell you what I heard. Based on the location and supply chain, $4,000 on the low to $70,000. It's called supply and demand.

The greater the supply, the less than. demand the more the demand the greater the price so if there's not 50,000 shannon sharp jerseys if there's not 25,000 helmets if there's not a hundred thousand cards what does that do to the market on Joe? Hey, I I hear what you say. But when it, when it comes to you, when it comes to certain individuals in our sport that played our sport, that value is not changing when it comes to certain, certain individuals special.

I mean, I'm not here to disclose numbers, right? I'm not here to do that. But when I do a signing, when I do a signing, which I just had one in Boston, I did some at Tom Brady's vault, and I did some with Anthony Munoz and Boomer's size in Cincinnati,

I think maybe two days ago. I ain't got to work the rest of the year. I ain't got the work the rest of the year. And I know your numbers double triple that. I know it does. Yes, but you know what, Ocho? I want it 6x. It ain't good enough to triple.

That's why I don't go. I got a set number. Now, if I'm in that area, they say, well, okay, this is what, okay, this is what I normally charge. If I'm in that area, I'll take that. But if I got to leave, I'm not leaving for that number. I understand.

That's how you keep your value. Because here's the thing. thing what you don't want to have happen man i got ocho to do a car signing for oh no oh that number don't change that number don't change see you hear me i i like i like what i like what you said but i i i'm i i hate and i just hate telling people know especially when i'm when i'm when i'm in public and people show up there's somewhere they're standing outside standing outside somewhere really long i've always i've always been like that because i i understand my market value is what it is so if someone's asked me to do a private sign

or public signing based on the market value based on what I've already done. It is what it is and it's not changing. Oh Joe if somebody came with without what a shot like this. Oh, can you sign this? Yes. But when they come with a helmet and I see they got a bag full of helmets and they got a bag of ball balls and they got and they got a they got an album yeah cards. They're selling that they're not a fan. You know what I do do? I like it. You just said that.

I say who you wanted to address to. I like that you say that I always say to somebody and I'm not signing I'm not just signing my name it's just going about my business I will address it to you to a family member to your son to your daughter I do do that but you know I I understand where you're coming from I just think you're you're underestimating who you are in that space because I think regardless of what you signed outside of that space when it's time to get paid your value is what it is and ain't nothing changing that nothing no no And I'm trying to keep my value. It's going to be high regarding because you that thick. Oh, my bad. You, you, you, you, you him. I mean, it's what it is. I'm trying to get you to see it, but you're not understanding.

I meet people in the airport and they, sometimes they come on the plane and they, they got their ticket. You know, sometimes flight attendants, they don't ran my ticket on. Could you say, I signed it. I ain't got no problem with that. My son is a fan, so far and Z. You know, his name is X, Y, Z. My husband is a fan, X, Y, Z.

My brother, my dad, no problem. Oh, Joe, I see you got 25 helmets. I see you got a sleeve of cards. I say you got a double bag of football and they plant. You're not a fan. You're a seller. Hey, I don't know what people don't get about. Hey, the football.

So let me ask you a question. Are you provided, I wouldn't know, chat. You provide your services. Let's just say for the sake of argument, somebody comes up to you and they say, you know what, you're a plumber. Oh. You, you, you're a plumber?

Oh, they see you driving a line. Hey, I got a clog. Can you come unclog it? You're going to say, hell now. Doctors don't render their servants for free. Lawyers don't give out information for free. Trust me. I know about lawyers.

I had to deal with them a lot over the last year, so I don't want to deal with them no more. I've dealt with them a lot. Hey, it's for free. They don't joke with key. And even text messages, cause. I don't text nothing. Hey, I'll find out soon a lady. Hey.

All that talking. day, Ocho, I talk once a week. Hey. So, but, but I, but I get, but here's the thing. And also the problem, Joe, he said he was going to sign one. You see, if you don't, if you don't sign a thousand, you're a jerk. Your asshole, yeah. Now, I just signed, I just signed, I just signed 50.

I just signed a hundred. I don't sign a hundred and one. Sheldon Shard's, yeah, I, I understand it. How do, how, how, how, how do I win if I sign a, if I sign a hundred? And what's 100 and one? What's 102? Next thing you know, if you go one, two, one three, one four, five, six, seven, eight.

Next day you know you're at 200. What's 201, Shannon? You're not going to be able to please everybody, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And then people, they try to get your Ocho going into the signing. Hey, you want to take your ass aside.

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. When people don't have cards or helmets, or thing like that, don't you? I ain't got no problem. I don't. Because I believe they are sincerely fans. When you got flat footballs

and you open up a sleeve and you know what I'm talking about. That photo album, they got cards to four. Or they got jerseys or they got blanks. They just got the number four. And you expect me to sign that. Yeah.

That mean you'd be heard, you'd be hurting collectors feeling some time. Sometimes they, you know, they genuinely want, your autograph to be able to keep and say, look what I have years from now, years down the line. I'm Luke Wilson.

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walk back his swinging miss comment on Deshawn Watson from last year pointing to his injuries and subscribe. while expressing optimism about his future. If not, it's not for lack of effort, okay? I mean, I don't think anybody in our organization would question his effort. His toughness, everything he's put into the job. The reality is he's had major injuries. His shoulder tore his Achilles twice.

So he's been really ravaged by injuries and that, along with 11-game suspension, kept him from playing. Deshaun had a great chance, a fresh start with an offensive-minded coach who has, in the past, been able to work with all kinds of. kinds of different quarterback and make them successful. So Deshawn has a great chance to do that now. Mary Kay Cabot tweeted, owner Jimmy Haslam believed it's possible for Deshawn Watson to go from swinging miss to a home run if he starts this year.

Ocho, why is the show, why is owner Jimmy Haslam doing a complete 180? Because he was a, you know, he was a swinging miss. We failed miserably. It set the franchise back to, for lack of a better quote, a paraphrasing here to now he got a chance to start. You know why? Because the money that's on the books still, no matter what. Because

the money that's on the books. He understands what he has to pay to Sean Watts in this season. I'm not sure at what point, you know, with that contract, because they don't have the numbers in front of me, but he understands, based on what he's being played this year, where they can't cut him, you know, he probably might be the starter until the bottom falls out. I think he does have a good

I mean, no disrespect. I'm just being honest, I think he probably will be the starter, you know, until the bottom falls out and they have no choice but to push Shador back in. I think when Shadour gets that job back at any point, if things don't go right for the Sean, I think he's going to be the starter for the foreseeable future. And I think that they're just going to part ways with the Sean after the season. That's just how I see it playing out.

Especially he's healthy. I think he said another year on the book, doesn't he? Or this was the last year? This is the last year. I told you. I told you that that's why he's saying that. He understands that. He understands that.

Listen, I'm going to give you one more shot. I'm going to see if you can be the quarterback for us for the future. If not. Try to get something out of the mocho, huh? Try to get something out of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And for the Sean Watson's sake, I'm hoping he does play well.

And if not for the Cleveland Browns, maybe to be the starter somewhere else next year. But as far as I can see it, if things don't, go well when Deshaun is the quarterback. If he does start as a starting quarterback, I just don't see someone making that much money being that healthy and sitting behind someone else. I just, I don't see that part. I think they give him every opportunity to start. They give him every opportunity to start. I mean, he is a veteran quarterback. He's smart enough. I mean, look, we all believe that Deshaun Watson, his last year in Houston that he started. He was a top five quarterback. I don't think we get any argument. We don't get any.

any pushback. He led the league and passed and took them those teams to the playoffs. And, and, and, and no quarterback in the history of the NFL had become available, non-injury at that age, every history of the NFL. Every quarterback had to become available, Peyton Manning injury, uh, Drew Reeves injury. Tom Brady was in year 20. But I'm talking about you, you talk about the guy that's 26 years off Lodcho, just came off the, just came off no injuries and just come out leading the, and passing.

Those guys don't become available. Ever, ever. Unless you plan a, unless you plan the video game. That's it. That's it. And so I agree with you, Ocho. I think the Cleveland Browns give this young man

every opportunity to start and to try to like, bro, we spent 200, we spent a quarter of a billy. And basically we got 10, maybe 11 wins out of it. Let's see if we can get, a playoff. Let's see if we can get a playoff situation.

We're going to give you one last shot. Just one last shot. And I don't care how well he plays. I don't think he comes back. Nah. They listen, they turn the reins over the two. They turn the reins over the two. And so I wish

that he didn't suffer those injuries. I think the 11 games, we talked about it. You got to play this thing. Drop back, passing, and throw him your quarterback guru whisper or whatever you guys want to call it. That's not the same as playing in the NFL. Because remember, Ocho, his last year in Houston, he didn't play.

So he didn't play that year. He missed the first 11 games. He only, I think back then, they were only playing 16 games. So he missed five games. So he missed 11 games. He comes back. He hurts his shoulder. Then he tears on the key leaves.

So really, I don't even know if he's played a season. since the last season that he actually played in Houston. In Houston, no, no, he hadn't had a full season yet. No. He might not have had a season if you combine all up together. Mm-mm. How many games has he played for Cleveland? Because remember, Ocho, he missed the entire season his last year because of everything that was going on.

So he missed the entire last year. Mm-hmm. He's played 19 total games. So that was, that's a thing. 17 plus two. So that's what he's played. He's played two games more than a now. So he played a season and two preseason game, basically.

That's it. Basically. Over how many years? Five? What was his last year in Houston? His last year in Houston was 2020. So he didn't play in 2020. He played five games in 21.

Okay. How many games? Six. Okay. Okay. Toy. and missed all the last year. Yep.

Hey. So 2020, 2020 was his last full season. 2021 he didn't play. He played six games. He played six games. He played seven games. He played no games.

He's played 19 games in five years. Tell me the player in any sport that can play that, that's at the top, can play 19 games in a five games stretch. It'd be great. Hey. Yes.

Huh? Come here. Say hi. Say hi down. Come on. Say hi. Take your finger out your mouth. Say hello.

Say hi. Hey, Fridge Fry. Say hi. You can't hear you. You good? Okay, Dad, you got to finish. Give me a kiss. All right.

Go. Go says with your sister. Go get some snacks. Go get some snacks. Go get some snacks, Fridge Fry. All right, close the door. Yeah, but I got to try to get something, Ocho. I got to try to get it.

They're going to get it. I'm hoping, I'm hoping, you know, for his sake, I'm hoping he stays healthy and has a good season. Because even if he has a good season, they're not bringing him back, I don't think. And I think he's auditioning for other teams because they're going to be other teams that might need a starting quarterback

or might need a veteran presence to come in. No, not at that price, Ocho. Not at the price. Not this year. No, no, I'm saying no, not this year. I'm talking about the following year. Oh, next year. Okay, moving forward.

Moving forward. Okay, okay. I thought you said if he played well in the preseason, maybe trade their line, you know, in the regular season, trade their line. Yeah, preseasoning, I won't cut it. They need to see live action in the regular season. Yes. And he's saying that Jimmy Haslam is, he's not a dummy.

And you know, when you, you like, man, you think I fit, you think I fit to sit you on the bench and pay you 40 me? not you're going to be in there you're going to be in here earning some of it you might get bitched but you're not fin to start on the bitch now i mean look stranger things have happened they got a 90 they got a hundred million dollar dead cap here with tour they're paying them 50 plus million dollars so they'll go play somewhere else so stranger things have happened no joe i don't i don't see them they could don't start look look look look They could because Aaron Rogers, they let Aaron Rogers have a big dead cap here. We see other players have huge dead cap hits.

And it's like, hey, nah, it's just not working. It's not going to work. Ain't no sense enough beating a dead horse. You know what? That's crazy. When you think about it, it's no telling what they might do. It's no telling because, hey, we saw it. Like you just said, we saw it happen to Aaron Rogers and Chua.

I mean, could it happen. I mean, it could happen, you know, Deshaun, too. But what, why? I forgot about Kirk Cousin. Why wait till now, though? Why wait till now? You could have been cut ties and dealt with the dead cap hit.

Could have or moved on. They restructured the contract. So we'll see. Wish him the best. Meanwhile, Andrew Barry says he'll spend more time with Ty Simpson and is holding realistic that the Browns to add a young QB. Our lien would be if we do add someone

to the quarterback room, it would be someone who's younger, a younger player, most likely. Anyone that brings in the spot on the roster, I thought is that they're coming, they're competing, Ocho. They're competing to play. They have something that we like in their skill set.

And our expectation would be for them to work harder. Ocho, could you see that, where are they picking? I mean, because most drafts have two quarterbacks going in the first round. It seemsly it's him and Mendoza. Obviously, everybody thinks Mendoza is going to the Los Angeles. I would hope so.

Could you see them taking Ty Simpson at six? Absolutely not. No. You have so many other needs that need to be a... Oh, but they got Jacksonville 24. Remember they traded the DB, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember they traded the DB?

I can't remember his name. I forgot it. Newsom, Newsom, Newsome. Yeah. Newsom, yep, yep. Yeah, I don't see that. You have so many other needs that you need. I mean, hello, we still need a receiver. I'm talking about we.

Excuse me, I'm sorry. they need a receiver. They need someone, need someone big time. They need someone big time. And you got Deshaun on the roster, you got Shadour on the roster, you got Dillon Gabriel on the roster, and you potentially take another.

Absolutely not. That makes no sense. If you do that, you tell them you don't believe in any of the quarterbacks that you have with your roster. We understand that Deshawn, that this is a one year thing, this is basically one year. This is a one year deal.

But you're saying you don't, If you take another quarterback in the, excuse me, and you take a quarterback in the first, the second round, you send the other two quarterbacks. Hold on. And if you take another quarterback, that's not going to change anything. Because the quarterback is only as good as the supporting cast.

And your supporting cast is not up the par to do any goddamn thing anyway. And Ty Simpson, no disrespect to him. He's not the quarterback going to come in and save your franchise because he's not the type of quarterback that's to come in and elevate everybody around him. That's not happen. That's not happening.

I agree with Georgia. What are we talking about? it looked like they don't know what they're talking about it looked like we kind of know what we're talking about but look that's what got them in this situation I think the biggest thing is Ocho they don't they haven't shown patience now I don't know what it was look

I'm not I'm not there every day for whatever reason for the word was and listen to the Baker talk they wanted someone more of an adult to lead their franchise Baker is who here y'all got people got to stop faking everybody's going to be like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

People got different personalities. And it's okay. There's nothing. There's nothing wrong with that. But at the end of the day, I want a guy to be himself, so that way I'll get the best of him. You try to make everybody be Tom Brady,

everybody be Peyton, everybody just, no, that's not there. Not at all. Not at all. And you look at the way these guys dress. You look at, at the way these guys come to the game. You look at the way these guys are do things in game. It's a different time now, Ocho, you got to evolve with the times.

This antiquated way of thinking, cookie cutter and everybody is the same way. It's not. It's over. It's not. As much as you want your quarterback, you know, to be a certain way, to conduct himself a certain way. There are very few that total line and being different, you know, and then just do everything by the book. but,

man, Baker's one of those, Baker's who he is. And that's why I think that's why he's having success that he's having now in Tampa. But Baker,

he didn't change. He wasn't, he wasn't a certain way in college and didn't get to the NFL and change. He was the exact same way in college. If you didn't like his breastings in college, why the hell you're drafted? He planted the flag.

He stood on the sideline and grabbed his crotch. You know, he threw the ball and hit somebody in the head. That's all, yeah, that's always been him. You knew everything. It's hard for me to imagine, oh, Cho, you invest that kind of money in somebody, and you don't know everything there is about him. You know his third grade teacher.

You know his seventh grade math teacher. You know who his PE teacher was. You know his Sunday school teacher. You know everything. You know the first card that he had. You know every damn thing. It's hard for me to believe that you spend $30 billion in something, and you don't, hey, you spend $30 million in the house.

You got inspectors. You're going to make sure that it's, this thing ain't about to fall into the ocean. You got to make sure the thing ain't got no leaks. It ain't got no termite. They ain't had no plumbing. They didn't have no sewer problems or anything.

But you know what the problem is, right? They drafted him. They understood all those things. They did their homework, but we're not getting the results we want. So we're going to blame you and the way you conduct yourself and the way you carry yourself

as a reason why we're not winning. Because we bring her in? Okay, what you do in college, that's all fine and dandy. We like that part. Yes. But is it going to help us and result in wins.

And it didn't. So what's the first thing they use? They use that as an excuse on why they're not winning. Well, it's because you conduct yourself this way. This is the goddamn problem. But situations matter. And you had a problem at that same position

for a very long time. So I would think. A hundred years. How long? Basically since Otto Graham, where you had two, you got a couple of years of great with Bernie Kosar.

They went to the AMC championship game. unfortunately they lost to Denver in Denver but they haven't they haven't had a I mean a legit quarterback for an extended period of time since Otto Graham in the 56 yeah I think I think I think wait now Auto Graham uh Bernie Cozar and if I'm not mistaken Derek Anderson had a really really a year I think that was what um so that was what's the receiver um brailyn edward oh yeah that that brilliant Edwards year what about the year but um why is it slipping my mind Oh, my God. I forgot what year that was.

I don't think he, I don't think Derek Anderson played with Josh. Hey, Chad, who was the quarterback when, when Josh Gordon led the league and led to league and everything? Ledder league in yards, led to league and touchdowns. I mean, maybe it was Brandon Whedon one year. Maybe it was Hoyer. Who was the quarterbacking back then?

Boy, he went crazy that year. Yeah, well, the cardiac, the cardiac Browns, when they had Brian Slythe, Brian Slyph, I think, won the MVP in like 79. I was no I was on I was on I would do first take so I did first take like 16 15 16 I had to be like I think it Brandon Whedon was yeah I don't know who the quarterback was but it wouldn't matter but that Josh Gordon was catching everything and taking it to the house weeding and Jason Campbell okay okay remember Jason Campbell from the old Washington team yeah

yeah where they need to go get a little uh they know uh need to get another receiver like a job. Oh, yeah. Because I don't give a damn who your quarterback are. Yeah, you can be right back in the same. Those guys aren't good enough outside O'Donel right now. You need, you need a dog. You need, you need one.

Just one good one to go with the rest of the support cast. Yeah, you get one good with a couple of auxiliaries. You're going to be all right. The Browns and Miles Garrett agreed to a modified language in his contract this offseason that makes it easier for to trade Garrett. So what they did, he's supposed to get $29 million a roster bonus. On March 15th,

they pushed it to seven days before the regular season start. But Andrew Barry says the team will not trade miles. Miles is a career brown. He's one of the faces of our organization, and I think we've been very clear, past and present in terms of our feelings. I understand all the questions,

but I'll be honest. I don't really want to waste a ton of more breath on that topic. Yeah. Ocho? What does the, does the modification to his contract where you kick it. I mean,

my, like, hold on. Y'all, y'all be to tell me, y'all kicked $29 million. I'll let y'all kick $29 million down the road. I could have got that March 15th, but now it's seven days before the regular season.

So that's seven. So April, May, June, July, August. So about six months, I let y'all kick that down the road. One thing they're going to do, but they're going to lie to you every time

when they get in front of that camera, huh, they're going to laugh to you every time they get in front of that camera. You know exactly why you kick that money on down the road to allow you. yourself room to be able to trade Garrett to a team that gives him an opportunity and a chance to win for a change where he's the face of your franchise or not whether you want him to be a one-jurdy team player which he should be but also based on what he's done you should reward him with

opportunity to go somewhere where he can have a chance to win for a change I mean come on now and we know why you did it I hey listen one thing about them coaches and them owners and them GMs when they get in front of the camera they're going to ask you to like a politician. They're going to tell you everything you want to hear knowing that they're not going to deliver and it's not the truth. They hit that lie button.

Huh? They hit that lie button. Everything about their mouth is a lie. All the time. There's no reason to do it. Just leave it alone. It doesn't change anything. It doesn't like the 29 million goals away.

The only thing is that that dead cap is not on your space because if you paid that money, you got to absorb that dead cap. even though he's somewhere else. Well, yeah, bingo. I mean, here. So now he's somebody else who will have to pay that. Look,

obviously he's the best player. And, you know what? Now that I think about it, Miles Garrett might win. He might do something only a handful of defensive players of the top 100. He might be number one. He should be.

He should be. I think, I think, has any defensive player, maybe JJ Watt, has DeJ Watt been number one, Aaron Donald been number one? Because normally is reserved for a quarterback. I think,

I think Adrian Peterson won it one year. I think the year that he came back, I think Adrian Peterson might have won it. Tyreek Hill wanted one year. That's 1700-yard season. Yeah, Lamar won it a couple of times, if I'm not mistaken. I think my homeboy, Brady's one of the most.

Have the defensive player ever won their war? what did JJ fitter? Okay, yeah. Okay. So they got two. JJ in 2015, Aaron Donald in 2019. So. Hey, I'm,

listen, Miles Garrett, either to Philly, Miles Garrett, maybe. That might be why they hold it. That's why Philly's holding on to A.J. Brown. They might know something we don't know.

Yeah, yeah. AJ Brown over to, hey, get you one dog. Get you one dog. The Sean Watson and AJ Brown. Yeah. Because for me,

because look, as much as I would love to see Miles finish his career, I think he, I want to see him on the biggest stages. I want to see him a chance. I want to see those sacks actually need something. To someone other than himself.

Because when you're playing behind and you get 23 sacks and you still win five games. You shouldn't win five games with 23 sacks. y'all should be in the playoffs. And just imagine what he could potentially do if his team ever had a league. And the other team has to throw. I mean, the man had five sacks against the Patriots

and they got beat by 14. That doesn't normally happen, Ocho. Yeah, you're right. Because before you know it, the game's out of hand. Now you got to throw the ball. I know you got to throw it. You know you got to throw it. But I just don't know him being there

if they're ever going to win because there are so many holes they need to plug. Well, and honestly, the holes that need to plug on the offensive side. All the holes they need to plug, and listen, you won't be able to place Miles Garrett, but you can get someone that's competent. Someone that's not going to get to hell, he's not going to get your 23 goddamn sacks, but you have so many other pieces around you defensively that are just that good. We're missing Miles Garrett, it'll be somewhat of a step back, but you still will be good.

You won't be great. Right. You'll still be good, but you need so much. offensively, letting him go and being able to build that offense and help your quarterback situation out is much more important than keeping Miles Garrett and winning another four or five games. It's a situation, oh, Cho, the roof is leaking. The sink is clogged. The toilet's overflowing and the shower doesn't work. I got to fix the problem. The problem I'm going to fix first, the toilet overflowed. I got to get that out there. I got to get that fixed.

and then I work A. I don't want to get rained on. Shower A, I go take a shower in the rain. So, but they got so many things going on, Ocho, that Miles can't solve it. They've done a horrible job of putting people on the other side of the ball. You get, you got Dimsail. You got Grand Delpit. You got Miles.

You've done a great job on the defensive side of the hell. The linebacker was working at a year. a defense of a year. So you've done a great job with that. How the hell have you missed so bad? Now, I like her. Oh, hey, he's nice. You got something.

I like the running back. Quinn, Quinn, yeah, Jacketons, yeah. Yeah. Bro, you got to get some wide outs. Yeah, one, one, you need one. And when it happens, I said it first. So when Miles Garrett end up over there in Philly,

make sure y'all come back and just replay this. He might end up in Dallas. You know they're going to want pickings now. You got to tell me twice. I just said they need a receiver. I just ain't want to say no name because everybody gets mad at me. They can get mad all they want to. I don't see them trading them to dollars without pickings coming.

You see that? It's a possibility. No, I'm saying do you see Dallas get? getting Miles Garrett without giving up picket. That's not going to happen. Pick. There's something. Even swap.

Even swap, baby. Do me right. Even swap ain't no swindle. Who you tell him? Man, I just want Miles the one time to play me, to play a meaningful. Yeah, meaningful football, yeah? I mean, all, I mean, for the most part, most greats, you know, whether they want or not, they played them.

Bruce and Reggie. Time, L.T. Ray, Keekley, Patrick Willis, Aaron Donald, JJ, unfortunately. He did not get an opportunity to play at a Super Bowl. But a lot of the great, and that's what you want to see. Now, it doesn't guarantee, it doesn't guarantee you're going to win. But play on that big stage, play in a championship game where rushes matter. Get three sacks in an AFC or NFC championship game. Be the difference in that game.

Aaron Donald, those defensive player of the year, but go back and cut the tape on in that Super Bowl against Cincinnati and watch how he got down and watch how he took the game over. Especially the goddamn, especially the goddamn four down. All we had to do is just block him on that four down. He messed up the goddamn throw.

But Ocho, you got to remember on that third down and won, the guy blocking him and he grabbed the guy with one hand and stopped it from getting the first down. Damn, man. And right before the half, remember they got that turnoff right before the half, and he got that sack. I think he might come back this year. What you think?

Hell no. But you see the clips of him working out? Yeah. He's working out like he might just come back. Nah, he don't got the passion. He said it. He's like, I don't have a passion. He exhausted everything that he had.

I mean, you know, you, you, uh, you, uh, you, you, uh, you, uh, you, watching me say, hey, my dad had me getting up early, early in the morning. He said, man, I did. I said, y'all saw Pitt and y'all saw the Rams, but y'all don't realize I was doing this high school. I don't blame it. At some point in time of me, he still loved a game, but the passion to train at the level that he need to,

to still be Eradonnell. He can't go out there and be anything else other than 99. Anything else will be uncivilized. So that's the thing. I think the thing is, Ocho, that's the biggest thing from the great. It's not like they don't love the game, but I can't give that same level of intensity and consistency. Yeah.

I could imagine. Because all I know is 99. With them, with them horns on his helmet. With the ass going up and down the line, turn it. Damn, that's long. Mm-hmm. They got, hey, they got the damn boat on there and everything. I couldn't imagine playing D tackle too, Unk.

You know, always having to deal with that goddamn, that double team. Oh, my goodness. Especially him. Hey. You already know, you go into the game. And we played guys like that. Hell, I played against Reggie,

played against Brut, played against DT. He, not, you better find out where he is. And wherever he's at, that's where the double go. And the funny thing about it is Aaron Donald was able to dominate for such a long time, and he had the highest percentage when it came to be in double team.

That joke was so quick out the ball, man. I told you, Ocho, the first time I saw him, he said, man, that's Aaron Donald. I said, from Pitt. I mean, he was knocking, Ocho, but I'm talking about, you know, I thought I thought I'd go see six four, too short, looking like miles,

looking like miles. Now, he's solid now, but I'm like, well, damn. When you see him, he doesn't look. You watch him get off the ball? he quick quick you know and you think about

you think about all the all the things that make a defensive tackle good you know all the different attributes he was great at every last one of them every last every last box he checked whether it was stopping the run taking on the double team being able to swim pushing the puller I mean whatever

whatever the verbiage is that you use that you know the oh man yeah the real good at all of it he can rip he can rip he can you he could wax on wax off yeah man and it aids footwork you ever seen his footwork drills his footwork looks like a goddamn receiver or running back but as i told listen at him talk when he was talking to defensive lineman he said you play on edges he said don't let that man square you up you get on an edge you have a man half a man that's it that what we talk about on your i i i'm never

you never gonna put both of your hands in my damn chest i'm going i'm going i'm going i'm going i'm going going inside or outside. I'm getting on an edge. Yeah. I promise you that. I'm going to get on an edge. But he was special. And I don't, you know,

obviously just watching it from a distance, but, you know, he kind of reminds you of a Johnny Randall. Ah, that's a good comparison. Good comparison. Johnny was undersized. You know, Johnny came in as 235 pounds defensive That's little, you know how small, you know how small that is, especially back then when all the

he tackled, all the he tackled with the big. Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, I mean, to play that under tackle, uh, he got, I mean, his hands are kind of like sap because if you look at sap, sap, sap didn't play with gloves. Sap just tape his fingers. Yeah. Yeah. And so he did a great job of grabbing, Sam liked to feel three.

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