Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Dak deserves credit, Burrow to blame, Aaron Rodgers accountability

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocino” Johnson discuss Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys coming back to win a hard fought game on the road against Justin Fields and the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho question if Joe Burrow is to blame after loss in OT vs Lamar Jackson, a dominate Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens, Aaron Rodgers 3 INT performance and lack of accountability and much more!03:18 - Show starts06:10 - Dallas beat Pittsburgh15:30 - Bengals vbeatRavens41:33 - Texans beat Bills48:00 - Vikings beat Jets59:30 - Commanders beat Browns01:20:16 - Olipop Ad(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh Joe, let's get right into it. The Cowboys go on the road. Very, both defenses played really, really well tonight, 20 to 17. They went a wild game at the end. Both teams are now three and two give Dak press got a lot of credit. 29 or 42, three 52, two touchdowns, two interceptions. I say the mark of any great offense or defense. Can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely positively have to

that press got got done, that office got done what they needed to get done. It took them fourth and go, but a great throw, a great catch. And they walk away with a 2017 victory. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Cowboys? Listen, when it came to the Cowboys tonight, I didn't expect, obviously because of the conditions, the rain delay, I'm not sure what Cowboys we were going to get tonight. From a defensive standpoint, the Cowboys played better defense than they did all year.

This is kind of defense that I think if they had played in other games, they would have won. Dag Prescott being clutch, like you said, being clutch when he has to be clutch. When you got to make the plays, you say the game of football is all about moments when the moment arrives and he had to get it done. He got it done. Tolbert had a hell of a game. He has seven catches for 87 yards in the TD. Um, no, this is. had a hell of a game. He has seven catches for 87 yards in the TD.

No, this is, I don't know how to say it. I'm trying to say it without saying anything wrong. What we saw tonight from the Cowboys is perfect. Now what we don't need after tonight's performance in a hostile environment against a very, very good, very good team in the Steelers is we don't need, you know, who come and talk about. You know what I'm trying to say? I'm trying to, I'm trying to even jinx it.

I only want to jinx it. Let Dac do the talking. Oh, Jerry talking. Maybe I already got Jerry. They already got Jerry Jerry before the, before they go into the locker room. They already got Jerry down at the front at the door. Listen, allow, allow that momentum, allow, allow that chemistry, allow all that to jail within the team and not how not allow him to come in and

interrupt things. Oh Joe, look, congratulations to the Cowboys, but they're not going to play very many offices that are as anemic as the Steelers. The office is anemic, Ocho. And I told you, this is the problem that they have. 28 rushes, 26 rushes, 92 yards. Justin Fields, 15 of 27, 131, Ocho. Ocho, you're not going to win very many games throwing the ball for 131. And today's NFL. Now, once upon a time, Ocho, you could win games like that. But it's harder and harder.

And as good as the Steelers' defense is, their front seven is good. Their back end is a little inexperienced. And you see they got out of position. Jalen Tovar ran a shallow cross from one side to the other. Elliott, like he was unsure. Bro, you got to get on your horses and beat him to the point So he was like do I got him? Damn, I don't know what I supposed to do and he like bro

Ocho that's gotta be a dead sprint Because he's on a shallow cross and you ride it. You got to realize you going over so you got me Ocho if he options back he got me Ocho. He got me. He got me. Okay. Hey, he got me, Ocho, if he options back, he got me, Ocho. He got he got me. Hey, he got me. They game plan me. But you got to think in that situation, they're probably not going to run the option because you don't want to run the chance of getting back in the back of the head because you don't know if they're coming with pressure or not. So more times than not is going to be on the dead run.

Elliott seemed unsure of himself, like, do I got him or not? And he wasn't booking it like he was supposed to book it. But I want to give him that credit, though, because Dak, I thought, played a well of a game. TJ Watt and what's the other linebacker? Hebring? Who is it? Yeah, Hebring. Herbig? What? How do you pronounce it? Is it Hebr her big. What? How the plastic is it? He bring a herbie. But anyway, they were, they were constantly in the backfield pressuring that. But that last drive showed me a lot. It showed me a lot.

I think the biggest thing that helped Jalen Tolbert is that CD lab was out right training camp and he got those reps. He looks like a different receiver from last year to this year. And sometimes all it takes is a guy getting reps to get his confidence. Like, yeah, I do belong. Yes, I'm supposed to be here and I can make plays. If you look at him now compared to where he was last year, Ocho, he looks like a different receiver.

You know, the good thing is, is that's not only a good thing for Justin Tolbert, but that's a good thing for that. Yeah. Now that he won't second guess itself when he know, you know what? I can't, I can't, I can't go to city lamb on this. Who are my other reliable targets that I can count on to make a play when I need a play to be made. Yeah.

And Tolbert showed that tonight. And listen, stuff like that. That's always in your quarterback head. That's always in your quarterback head. That's always in your quarterback head. So now he won't hesitate. He won't hesitate to come to you next time. We know a play needs to be made. Dowdell played well.

He ran the ball 20 rushes, 87 yards, had a great touchdown catch. That did a great job of throwing the ball. But the biggest player of the night was that jumping on that fumble. Fumble. Yeah. Landon Roberts did a great job, put his helmet right on the football. That could have ended up badly, Ocho. That could have ended up real, real bad. We've seen plays like that happen before.

But give that credit. Didn't try to do anything spectacular. Let me just get on this football. We got another down. Let's see what we can get done and give him credit. But the Steelers going to have to open Ocho. You can't play it close to the vest. You can't play it close to the vest like that and hope at the end,

your defense hangs on. So what you're saying, we're going to have to open up the offense. Fifth to nine. You're not Ocho. You're not going to win very many football games with 200. With 225 total yards. You know who they could open up the office with? Who? Russell Wilson.

Oh, kind of like the Broncos over the top with Bo Nicks. Oh, nevermind. But we'll talk about that a little later. We're going to talk about them a little later. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you see the Broncos, 34 straight on the Raiders. Hadn't beaten the Raiders since 2019. Oh, whoa Whoa, we talked about the Raiders now. Come on. Don't don't do that. I

Don't think they play football. That's what you tell me all the time when I be saying that come on You got you got a little bit too much dip on your chip man So they don't play foot so Oakland don't play NFL football huh I mean they do they do. Oh you know they're going through some things right now you know you know they're going through some things right now so I really wouldn't really wouldn't get too hyped and confident about about when you're hyped because I know somebody got a better record than you know who but we're not talking about that we're gonna get to that a little later.

know who, but we're not talking about that. We go get to that a little later. Anyway, the Cowboys three and two now, they're three and, uh, uh, 20, 2017 over the Pittsburgh Steelers. They go on the road Sunday night football and they went a hard fought ball game. And now I think they come home to Detroit. I think their next game was against the lions. A team that can run it cowboys. So at home, yes, against the lions. That's that could run it. Cowboys, so at home.

Yes, against the Lions. That's gonna be a challenge. Yeah. It's gonna be a difficult challenge. Especially on defense. Well, you gotta be solid. You gotta be solid in the run game. Then you gotta be on point in the pass game.

They gonna test your all game and all three phases of the game. The Lions are nice. They do a great job. Obviously, you say the one-two punch with Montgomery and Gibbs running the football, but they stress you horizontally and vertically because Jameson Williams can get down the field in a hurry. And now they got those down, they got those horizontal on my St. Brown and they got other

guys that can get the ball They signed Tim Patrick who's doing well LaPorta. So there are very there are very Vast offense that can do a lot of different things. They're not a plate They're not afraid to take your chances down the field. They're not afraid to open up their playbook This is gonna be a very big test for the Cowboys But it's all going to be a test for the Lions defense because the Lions defense a little on the back end, they can get a little shaky too at times.

So it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out. But give the Cowboy credit. They go on the road, get a hard fought victory 2017 over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cowboys next six games at home against the Lions at 49ers at Falcons at home against the Eagles at home against the Texans at Washington. Hey, that next four or five, that's a gauntlet. That could be a make or break for them. Uh, the Lions, uh, they didn't, they got Saturday night.

Didn't they got Sunday night against the, uh, against the 49ers, the app Falcons, they got Eagles, uh, they got that Monday night. It looks like it's a Monday night game against the Texans. And then they got the commanders who's playing exceptionally well. So very well. Cowboys get a mug, get a win. They needed it. Um, now they're three and two Pittsburgh fall to three and two

and a tie with the Ravens the Ravens beat the Bengals in overtime 4138 Lamar Jackson spearheaded the comeback double digits multiple times in the fourth quarter But Lamar Jackson would not let this team lose Lamar picked apart the banged up bingo secondary to the tune of 348 yards he also had passed before touchdowns and he rushed for 55 yards. In the first five periods of the game, the Ravens put up 520 yards on 31st down. They needed every one of the big division wins. After the game, Burrow said it was frustrating that a team that

started the year with title aspirations is nowhere close. We're not a championship level team right now. We're not. I like to think that we'll come back and prove throughout the season to get to that point. But right now we're not. We have to get it together. Ocho, do you want to play and change your playoff prediction? No, no, not at all. Not at all. Listen, we in a hole, huh?

But we in a hole. I feel bad as a Bango fan, as a Bango player, as a former player. The game was good though. Offensively the game was good. It was good to see that offense look like it should have looked starting in week one. It was good to see that bangle's offense.

Look how they always look by the time they get to week three and so on. Defense, still a little shaky. Still a little shaky. A little shaky? Well, I, still a little shaky. Still a little shaky. A little shaky? Well, I mean, we shaky shaky. We shaky shaky. I don't know what the statistics or the stats are,

but we might be, when it comes to stopping the run or end the pass, we might be damn that at the bottom half of the league, at the bottom half of the league, in both of those categories. But from an off-finger standpoint, what you saw from T Higgins today, what you saw from Yoshi, what you saw from, from goddamn Jamar chase, who's showing you that's why you pay him.

Even if he has two years on his contract, I can take the ball. I can take small smoke screens and take him 70 something yards. I can go deep. I can do everything no matter where we at. Just put the ball in those hands. Then we get the overtime. When we get to overtime, you have a $250 million fucking quarterback. That's not the time to play conservative. You put the ball in your $250 million quarterbacks hands and allow him to win you the game when it matters most.

Like you said, the game of four all is all about moments and a moment like that, and a game that you need to win an important division game to allow your $250 million quarterback to earn that goddamn check. Whoa, whoa. Hold on, all game, all game. Y'all, they be killing me. All game on all game. Yeah, we're all game.

We've been very successful. We dish and we dish and we Duncan. We do it everything. But all of a sudden, when it matters most, everybody has got tight. You run the ball three times in a row. Hold on. Now you run the ball three times in a row, right?

And you put the pressure on McPherson to make a 50-yard field goal when you can just ran a normal offense. You've been running all game. That's been working all game. Open up your playbook. You got your quarterback. Come on, man.

I went hot. Why are we conservative and we supposed to be trying to win the game? You already won in three. Throw the kids a sink at them motherfuckers, man. Damn. It's allers, man. Damn. It's all about your offense. Godly. I'm looking at some of the goddamn stats.

Hey, touchdown passes. Joe Burrow 12. He leading the NFL. Passing rating, Joe Burrow first 113.8. He leading the NFL in completion percentage. Joe Burrow 72.2%, he's second. Pass yards 1370, he's third. 40 plus completions, yardage.

He's tied for first. So what does that tell you? What does that tell you just based off the stats and what he's doing at the quarterback position despite it not reflecting what the record may show? When he has the ball in his hands, he's getting it done from a quarterback perspective It's just not enough because we motherfucking won it for but again and overtime What do we do? We take the ball out the man's hands and we give it to the running back Three times first down second down third down. and we give it to the running back. Three times, first down, second down, third down.

Are we not trying to win the game? Are we running the ball? Why playing conservative in that? Come on, man. Give it at least give us a chance. At least, at least give us a chance. I mean, we paid him that kind of money for a reason. Can I ask you a question?

What role did that interception play in the Ravens getting back into this ball game and getting into overtime? It played a big role. It played a big role. Listen, when you, when you say something, I'm with you when you're right. You can't, you can't make those kinds of mistakes. You can't make those kind of costly mistakes. And the fact that they made that mistake,

I think that's another reason why they took the ball out his hands and ran the goddamn ball over time to make sure the mistake didn't happen again. What do I do? So I just want to know why Bingo fans mad at me because I point things out. Oh, OK, OK, OK. I just want to know why y'all mad it mean. Oh, they got five touchdowns.

Okay, Ocho, you know your defense currently is not playing very good. The last thing you can do is turn that ball over. Right. You can't do that. So now keep moving it, keep moving the ball down the field. Even if you set up for a field goal, now they need a touchdown to beat you, as opposed to a field goal to tie you. Right. The five touchdowns, yes, he's playing well. At last, the difference is, what,

are you gonna blame Joe Burrow? Last week, he set up for field goals. He got two field goals before he got those three touchdowns. The Washington commanders got touchdowns when he was getting field goals, they were getting touchdowns. That's the difference, okay? They had two double digit leads in the fourth quarter.

At one point time, the score was 24 to 10. 24, 14, let me take that back, 24, 14, 14, 24 14 because the Ravens, it was 14 nine. They got a touchdown to what? Yes. It was 24 14 in the fourth and Lamar Jackson went into that phone booth, changed into that cake and became Superman again. At some point in time, Ocho is not at the, you, you can look at the numbers. We used to kill Peyton.

Peyton had gotty numbers every year and everybody would say stats are for losers. Because Tom Brady would throw for 200 yards and win the ball game. Peyton have 300. Peyton will play a team. He throw for three, 400 yards. They lose stats off for losers. But it's funny how it changed. If we like somebody.

Joe Burrow is a very likable guy. I've met him a couple of times. He's great. He's a great young man. But at the end of the day, Ocho, you know what it comes down to. You can't make those kinds of mistakes that he made knowing that my defense is not very good currently.

Because think about it, if they're going up and down the field driving seven and 80 yards, what the hell you think you gonna do if you put them on a short field? They go get the ball to end zone. They got very conservative. He scared them. Zach Taylor got scared.

He turned the ball over late in the fourth quarter. They tied a ball game. And now instead of, Ocho, instead of like going for it, they pull the reins back. But you can't do that though. Listen, from a coach standpoint, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in no position because I ain't no goddamn coach. All I do is play goddamn Madden, but from the outside looking and understanding

how we're doing as a team collectively, understand how our defense is not really playing well. No, they're not. They're not playing well. They're not playing well against the run. They're not playing well against the pass. Who do I put the ball? Who do I put it in his hand? He's, he's, even, even, even with the mistake, even with the mistake of the

turnover in the fourth quarter, you have no choice. There's a reason we paid him the money. We paid him because money we paid him. Correct. Because at times like that, in moments like this, when we need a win, you put it in his hands. The offense had been looking good all goddamn day. Just run your regular offense.

You can't pull the reins and then have your ass tight when it matters most because that gets you beat. It does. That got us beat. Even with the pick, we had the opportunity to win the game. I mean, Joe was 30 or 39, 392 five touchdown. He normally plays well against the Ravens. I think he has a 500 yard passing day.

He has a 400 something yard passing day. So he normally plays well. But, uh, in that situation in your running game, Oh, show 23 for 71. You really haven't now. I'm not saying it's not gonna get better, but as of right now, you haven't replaced Joe Mixon. What he gave you in the run game, you had a couple of false starts that set you back behind the eight ball, killed some of your momentum.

But you just gotta find a way to win these games. T and Chase were unbelievable. They had 276 yards combined on 19. They had 16 targets. No, they had 12. 26 targets. 19 catches. 276 and four touchdowns. Well, your star guys, skill position players, they did what they were supposed to be. They did what they were supposed to do. They did the thing. Sometimes it comes down to one play, an interception now, because you probably you might have could have run the clock out, because the one thing I don't want to have happen with the way I see Lamar Jackson

playing, I don't want to give the ball back, Coach. Oh, no, I don't want to get back to it. It's the guy Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, guys like that. Okay, hold up, man, man, damn, they done came back. They only one score down. We can't give them that ball back. He gonna find a way. Now, first of all, you got, that was a face mask on Andrews. You got face mask on, and the referee standing right, the official standing right there, side judge, and didn't call it. Andrews is his thing, he's getting tackled. He came up off of it fast now.

I think it was Pratt. I think it was Pratt making the tackle, huh? Yeah. He was making the tackle. Andrew was screaming. Andrew's got the ball in one hand, he face masked me. He face masked me. But it was a very exciting game.

This is what, you know, shoot out in the AFC North, we don't normally get games like this. It's normally a black and blue division. It was normally more physical. Uh, but when you got these types of quarterbacks, Ocho, and I don't want to pat myself on the back. But what did I tell the Ravens how to use Derrick Henry and over time, you tell the people at home and over time what they did, either shoot him downhill, shoot him downhill, straight downhill, a gap, B gap, or just toss it to him with a full back in front.

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Oh yeah. And he go. And soon they put him in front of him and say, so I'm picking a hole. Oh yeah. And he go, and soon they put him in the offset the first play, they line his ass up in the second play, off to the races he go. It's not that, and I get it, I get it. Because Lamar works best with the offset, the zone read scheme, he needs that threat,

he wants that threat, I get it. But to maximize both of them, because with the toss and the fake handoff, when he's in that high, guys are gonna be wide open. Guys are gonna be wide open. But it was Lamar played, Lamar can't play any better than what he played.

26 to 42, 3.48, four touchdowns, only one set. And the play that went to Lively. Yeah. That was a nice play. I think the one that he fumbled on, Joe, because the clock was running down. I don't know if he thought they was gonna call a timeout or he wanted to get one more look at the defense. Because they snapped the ball,

the ball hit him in the chest. In the chest. It went right through his hands a little bit. Right through his hands. He wasn't ready ready. Maybe he was trying to get one last peek at the defense, Ocho's like, okay, I think that's what they gonna do right here.

Or maybe he didn't anticipate it because the last thing you wanna do is take a delay game right there, Ocho, back yourself up five yards. And it looked like he went in looking to pick it up like he did the likely play earlier. Remember he fumbled that one. He really did pick it up. That was nice. That was nice.

But they dodged a bullet because he probably would have like, man, he was a problem that that's on me. I got I got to be prepared. I'm calling for the snap. I got to be prepared for the snap. But fortunately for them, they dodged a bullet. Joe Burrow Lamar outdo Joe Burrow. If you can say that Joe Burrow 30 or 39, three 92, five touchdown. The one costly turnover.

Uh, they scored 38 Lamar Jackson, 26 or 42, three 48, four touchdown, clean game. Well, he had to turn over, so I'm sure they're gonna attribute that turnover to him. Zay Flowers, seven for 111. Kohler played well today. Bateman played well today. Andrews, this is the best. Mark Andrews has looked since he returned from that broken ankle. Ocho, likely is likely.

He's gonna make his plays. He can start for a lot of different teams. And King Henry. King Henry's King Henry Damn they want you. Oh Joe Levin carries for 30 yards and regulation what that man's supposed to do with that He's not on that. He's not one of those backs. He's a back that the more you give him the ball Mm-hmm the heart he's like a diesel engine. The longer he runs, the cooler it gets. So the more you give Derek Henry, the ball. Yeah.

Now I'm starting to get warm. He don't feel warm to the 15 carry. Yeah. What are you doing? A 15 carry old joke. They haven't even went to the house. Yeah. Yeah.

We play, we play the run really well. We play, we play, play the run really well. We played, we played, played the run really well. I think that's why, you know, from a, from a, from a passing standpoint, why Lamar looks so good because he actually can, he can pass. The fact that you have Derek Henry, it just adds an additional threat to that offense outside of this, not Lamar's legs, but to his arm, to his arm as well. So, I mean, in no means are they one dimensional,

but Lamar did play a damn near almost perfect game outside of that one fumble that hit his chest. And actually we should have, when it comes to us, for some reason we always bangle. We always bangle. Y'all got one, don't you know, remember Huntley? Remember Huntley in the playoffs? Oh, the guy picked it up in with, yeah.

The scuba score? Yeah, because he tried to go over the top, it got punched out, and your guy ran it all the way back. So y'all don't know. Yeah, you right. Y'all don't normally botch those. That would normally go through the house. But Gil Lamar, he scrambled around, hit the guy,

gave his office alignment enough time to get back there and recover and make the tackle, because that Lamar, he scrambled around, hit the guy, gave his offensive lineman enough time to get back there and recover and make the tackle. Because that would have been the ball game because obviously that's overtime. And so a walk up any score is the ball game. After rushing for 175 yards against the Bengals, the Ravens have outrushed their opponent by at least 100 yards in all five games this season. That's the longest such streak by any team to start a season since 1933 when yardage was fully tracked. They have now out rushed their opponents by 754 yards. Out rushed them.

I ain't say out gained them in total yards. They out rushed them. Yeah. that's crazy hey that that would hurt though man that would hurt all right hey Ravensbane aren't y'all glad Jerry couldn't find no money for King Henry damn man hey at 104 it's it's it's never been done before. What? But if, I mean, at 104. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please make the...

Do you say playoffs is off the table? No, no, no, no, no, no, because they take seven teams. Yeah. Listen, we got the Giants next to we got the Browns. Now, to me, and this is no disrespect to those organizations, what they have going on. The Giants, they won the day against the Seahawks. Went on the road and did it. I'm assuming it's a possible win. The Browns really not playing well, but again, it's a division opponent.

You know each other very well. So those games most of the time are close and really aren't blowouts. So I'm hoping, you know, those are two wins that we can get and get us to, you know, a better record than we're than we're at now. Hopefully we're three and four, you know, after after the at the seven game. So man, it's tough, man. Yeah. Oh, Joe, who talks more trash, bingles, players or the fans? Because remember, Britt was talking, Chase said,

everybody know we're the team to beat. Nobody goes into the season and the AFC is thinking the Bingo's are the team to beat. Let's take a listen at this video. Beat your ass tomorrow. What's his gonna go? What's his gonna go? What's his gonna beat us? Who day? The Bingo! Woo!

Shake it, shake it, girl! Ah! Shake it, shake it, girl! Yo, I'm gonna get hugged! See how y'all behave, Ocho? Who that was? I don't know who that was. That's some fan. Now she's a little tipsy, got her hands all on the man.

You see how y'all behave? Listen, one thing you gotta believe in your team, just like you believe in the Broncos. You gonna talk your ass? I ain't gonna be putting my hands all on the play of that play for the opposing team. Tell them, yeah, we gonna beat y'all and we gonna beat y'all ass. Hey, listen.

You know what that's called? That's called sportsmanship. That ain't called sportsmanship. That's called sportsmanship. Keep your hands to yourself. Huh? Keep your hands to yourself. Damn that was a good game man. I'm, I'm, I'm, but, I'm a damn man.

Oh, get out of here. When you gonna run me my Hyundai? No. I cash out for you right now. I ain't got no cash out. You got cash out for Ash? Ash got it. You got it?

Jordan got it. Send Jordan money. We'll get you the money. Jordan give it to me. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm Ash Ash got it. George you guys there. George got it. Send Jordan money

We'll get you the money Jordan give it to me. All right, I got you but I knew money out of sight calls a fight every time Listen ain't gonna be no fighting. I'm saying i'm saving these hands for one person in particular, you know a former stealer so i'm Waiting on that bad. Oh, it's your bad. Y'all y'all gotta get. Bad. Oh, Joe, bad. Y'all, y'all got to get it together. Oh, Joe. Yeah, man. Hey, listen. I mean, listen, I watch football and I love it because I'm invested into it as far as, you know, enjoying it. When we ran that ball on first down and then we came back again and ran it on second down. Yeah.

I said I sat back in my chair, I say, I know we not doing this. I know we not doing this and making a mistake and putting all the pressure on McPherson to kick a 50-yard field goal. You mean we not gonna run out often just to make the field goal a little bit more feasible even though he has a good leg, he has a strong leg,

he's efficient from 50 yards and plus out. Why make it that much more difficult for him? And lo and behold. That but that wasn't even close, though, Joe. That wasn't even close. Right. The placeholder dropped the ball. He did. He dropped the ball. Nervous. Nervous. How you nervous? That's your only.

I ain't going to say nothing. I only I don't say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing, but you're right. You're right. That's what you're gonna do. That's what y'all did. They what y'all gonna do. That's what y'all did. Ready?

Three straight times. If I'm not a reporter, I'm not a reporter. But from the outside, looking in as a concern, not just for my player, but as the outside looking in as a concern, not just form a player, but as a concern fan in situations like that, you have to put your trust in your quarterback, even with the mistake that happened in the fourth quarter, you're paying that kind of money for a reason. Yep.

Run the office. We've been running the entire game, even in overtime, even in overtime, you got to put the ball in trust in Joe's hands in that situation. I guarantee you we come out with that win. Hey, Ravens, y'all want to send me a small donation for recommending how y'all should use Derek Henry. I accept all I said bitcoins, US regulation coins, pennies, dins, Penny's Dive, Nichols Quarters, Kennedy Half Dollars, Silver Dollars, and Susan B. Anthony Dollars.

So any of the domination will work for me. Ocho, now it's time for our next segment, Gas on Grass, brought to you by our friends at Scott's Lawn Care. Bet you didn't know fall is the perfect time to feed your lawn. Give your lawn a boost with Scott's Turf Builder Winter Guard. Recover from the summer, prep for the winter. Scott's Winter Guard, push your grass on the road to a recovery from damage caused

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He's still farm Sam Hubbard, not once, but twice as he's running, rolling off balance, falling out of bound. He discarded a pass. Russia took a shot to the face, extended a play and threw a touchdown pass to Isaiah likely. How Lamar how? You saw it. You know Jack. Listen, I tweeted it too. I Say I tweeted it too when the game was going I say well god damn it Lamar just won't go away. That young bull is Unbelievable. I've been watching Lamar. He was at Boyden Beach High School.

I used to go. Why I used to go and watch just to see like he was a superstar. He was a superstar back then. What are you doing in NFL now? I've been seeing that before he even got to Louisville. He was doing the same thing at Boyden Beach. But he don't eat a real deal, man. I just, man, that hurt, man. We had an opportunity.

We had it right here. It was it was it was in our hands. And I was man that hurt man. We had an opportunity. We had it right here. It was it was it was it was in our hands. And I was at Twin Peaks. They you know, I watched the football game to Twin Peaks because they put on multiple TVs for the one o'clock games. Yeah. At once. So I you know, so I can enjoy them. Right. There was a table of Ravens fans that sat that sat adjacent to me

where I was sitting, you know, about two, three tables over. And every time we made a play, you know, I look on Daniel. I look on Daniel. I ain't talking no trash now. I ain't told him track is I ain't want to put my foot in my mouth. And we, when we recovered that fumble, we covered that from an overtime. I told the waitress, I like, uh, miss, you could put this, this coconut ice. You can give me a to go cup of styrofoam cup right before they kick the bar. I went over to the section and I sat there and I just smile.

I didn't even say that. I just smiled because we're going to get this kick and we're going to win. When that goddamn place over bobbed that snap and he got down and all the Raven fans went crazy, I would hurt. Yeah, I would. That that crazy. I would hurt. Yeah. That hurt. That hurt. Because you know, the momentum swung.

You guys had the momentum after Lamar fumbled the ball in overtime. Now you guys got the momentum. Heartbreaker. Moving on, Texans overcome miscues and escape on the last second field goal, a 59 yard field goal as time expired, beating the Buffalo Bills 23 to 20.

Houston got off to a hard start, sprinting to a 14-3 first quarter lead, 67 yard bomb from CJ Stroud to Nico Collins. But Nico suffered a hamstring injury and missed the rest of the game. Without the big play target, Stroud offense struggled with consistency for the rest of the game. Without the big play targets, Stroud offense struggle with consistency for the rest of the game. The offense put up 425 yards, but only nine points in the final three quarters. It says a lot that D'Amico Ryan clubs haven't played a complete game, but it's still four and one. Sunday marks the worst passing day of Josh Allen's career. He completed nine of 30 passes for 131 yards in a touchdown. The 30% completion rate was a career low

for a star quarterback and the lowest percentage in a game with at least 30 attempts in the past 30 seasons. Allen has never had a sub 40 rate before today. Here's Stefan Diggs on what it meant to get the win over his former team, the Bills. Honestly it meant a lot to me. Held it in all week energy wise. Trying not to bring it up too much. Obviously we had an interview earlier in the week. I just try to keep it professional but obviously in the background mind it meant a lot to me and I wanted to do more showing than telling.

You know I play with a lot of passion and a lot of love. I can't say I didn't think about this game when I got traded, you know? I wondered if we played it, and then obviously it was on a schedule. But I take it one game at a time, and I knew when this game came about, I was just trying to take advantage and get a win for my team.

But obviously it's emotional. I can play with a lot of emotions. I'm emotional. Josh Allen was God awful. Well, I know, Ocho ain't no way around it. If anybody else, if any quarterback, regardless of it being anybody, but anybody have nine of 30, 131 yards, we ripple and they had a chance to win Had he done anything Had he done anything?

They win this game or Joe they got to run yard 28 rushes 150 yards check Okay Wasn't the game out of hand at one point one to 24 10? Yeah, when 24 10 at one point. Yeah. And they couldn't get one more fugal or one more touchdown to extend that lead. And again, when it comes to having the right weapons around you and you don't have to be motherfucking Superman. We don't have to be Superman. He has to. Josh Allen has to put his cape on.

Josh Allen has to do everything. Oh, we don't need Stefan Diggs. Again, the numbers, the numbers, the numbers, the numbers look like that for a reason, man. It's different when you don't have a reliable target you can go to and count on every time you get under center Whether you're shotgun or whether you're under center, you know what come hell or hot water. Who can I count on every time? Who can I bet on every time?

If you think about it, oh Joe, they lost Gabe Davis And they lost digs. They're two starting wire receivers. So basically the only guy secure was the slot guy King came out can kick. Yeah He on Coleman is he coming oh, he's not there yet, but he's going to be he can be that that reliable target He can be that security bank of a Josh Allen, but a little bit more consistency. They got the integrated into the goddamn office more man. Yeah, you got you got you got to integrate him to the office.

I don't know. I don't know what they're doing over there, but it looks good. But they look good. But they know what they're doing over the island. But Josh has to play better. See, the thing is. We don't need him to be historic, but he can't be historically bad either. Let us think in now, think about how bad he was

in the only loss by a walk. They took a 59 yard field goal to beat him. So they have enough talent, don't you? They do, they have enough talent. But if he plays like that Yeah, they're not gonna beat anybody And he can't he can't he can't He can't he can't he can't play like that. He can't he didn't turn it over

He had some big runs, but you know, he got tremendous legs is a big man once he gets ahead of steam It's hard to get him down. Yeah, but they got to be better. They got to be better. It's really, it's really that simple. CJ, uh, 28 to 36, three 31, one touchdown, one of the exception. Um, Cam makers nine for 42, uh, Ogimbo, uh, a goon, the Wally was 15 or 30. Uh, hello. No, that was, uh, that was 15 or 30. Hello, no, that was in the other game. We'll get to that. CJ had three for 27.

But like you said, once Nico went out, now all of a sudden the big play to be able to push the ball down the field. Now, hey, we gonna let y'all work all that underneath stuff because now here's the thing. Once you get into the red zone, what you gonna run out the back of the end zone. Mm hmm.

It feels good. It gets condensed and condensed. It gets harder and harder to score. Red zone is not an easy place to score. People are all bad. You in the red zone, bro, where you going? They know you're not finna run no nine. Where you gonna run it?

Damn, man. Listen, the Texans pulled it out. The Texans pulled it out. The Texas pulled it out. See, they throughout see they throughout played. OK, he played OK. It wasn't a normal game that we used to see him from him. I don't like the

fact that the offense stalled damn there the entirety of the game after what? Maybe maybe the second or third quarter. They weren't able to put up put up the points, but they did move the ball just enough, you know, to be able to win the game. Yeah, they set up a field goal, Joe.

Yeah, what they have 14 points early in the first quarter and they got nine over the last three quarters. Right. Yeah. But. Somebody tell Nico Collins, how let me. The Vikings beat the Jets in London, the Vikings were in their bye week undefeated. Sam Donnell's five and O. Ocho, do the Vikings sign him to a long-term bill at a discount or, or they wait for JJ to come back.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Wait a minute there. Now see, this is perfect. This is perfect for Sam Donnell because you. Because you not putting together this type of season this early to stay with the Vikings. Right. Oh, there are teams that you are a former number one pick,

right? If I'm not mistaken, huh? Yeah, he's number three pick in the draft, I think. Oh yeah. He's number three behind Sam. He was number three. Baker went first, Saquon, and I think Sam Donnell was third. Number three? Okay, yeah, yeah. The only problem is you just went to the wrong team.

That's all. The wrong team drafted you just went to the wrong team. That's all. The wrong team drafted you. No, it's perfect. You said it earlier. It's perfect. Because he went to a team, and the guy gets hurt. He's not coming back. Now you give me an opportunity, Ocho,

to build a perfect portfolio. OK, OK. I know. I was saying what he had to do. Because think about it. I'm not going to be able to show you anything. Because J.J. McCarthy is going to start. So I'm not going to be able to show you anything. Guess what I. McCarthy is going to start. So I'm not going to be able to show you anything.

Guess what I get to do? I get to put together a portfolio over 17 games, potential to play off. OK, come get your boy. Yeah. OK, OK. Now, I was saying when he got drafted out of USC, he went to the wrong organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to say.

But what are you doing right now? It's beautiful. What are you doing right now? Listen, when J.J. McCarthy went down, obviously when Kirk Cudden left, I'm like, well, God damn, who the hell gonna get the goddamn ball to Jay Jay? Who the hell gonna get the ball to 18? OK, they drafted Jay Jay McCarthy. I'm like, OK, OK, this is one national championship. When I thought about it, I'm like, but damn, all Michigan did in college,

all them boys did was run the goddamn ball. Is he one that could facilitate the ball through the air? I didn't know. I didn't know. He goes out, I'm like, but damn. Who's up next? Sam Darnold. So I think about Sam Darnold on the 49ers.

Ah, didn't look too good. Sam Darnold on the Panthers. Ah, it didn't look too good. Like, okay, Sam Darnold, they got drafted by the New York Jets. We know how that worked out after three years. So I didn't know what Sam Donahue we gonna get. I didn't know the Vikings would be this good.

This is the Sam Donahue that's playing with confidence. This is the Sam Donahue that's letting the rest of the NFL know and putting them on notice. Listen, like you said, I'm putting the portfolio together. I'm putting the resume together. For those of you that need a quarterback after the season is over, this is what I can do when I had the right pieces around me come and get your boy That's the thing. Oh Joe if you look at it, he didn't have these pieces. He didn't have a Justin Jefferson

Oh, he didn't have an Addison. He didn't have who do they got now Hawkinson, even though he's not there right now Yeah, the other guy month the tight end caught a couple of passes. They brought in Aaron Jones, who caught it, who, Quincy Williams, but after, at the end of the day, Aaron Rodgers need to play better. Yeah. He threw three interceptions. There haven't been very many defenses in the history. I mean, you gotta be a historic defense

to overcome three turnoversovers because what you do, someone might be a pick six, which one was you put them on a short field. But so now they're scoring basically on your possessions. Make it make them score on theirs. I'm not gonna give you ish on my possessions. possessions and he threw three other sections, including two in the first quarter, a career first included a pig six, putting the jets up 17 to nothing. And then the two or the three, uh, the Jets are two and three for the first time in Aaron Rogers under 500 through five starts with 2012 Quincy Williams. Jets linebacker was ticked off after the loss. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Oh, I ain't get it. Like I said, people got to start taking accountability, bro.

People get tired of hitting the same thing every week. For you, what do you taking accountability, bro. People getting tired of hearing the same thing every week. For you, what do you need to work on? I'm tired of saying the same thing every week. For me, I need to start working on being a leader more. That's the main thing. Accountability. Yeah. Aaron didn't play good.

Those interceptions was terrible. Why would you throw on a... OK, you're trying to throw a back shoulder fade. How you going to throw a back shoulder fade that far inside, Ocho? That's stuff that you work on in MendeCamp. I'm sorry, Ocho, I shouldn't have went there. My bad. Ocho, that's me. That's on me, Ocho. Take off. You notice? I have a question.

Hey, chat, listen to me. Think about the Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay. Think about the Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay. Think about the Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay in the back shoulder fades that he continues to hit over and over and over and over, whether it be Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver. Oh, should I do I do I need to go home? It worked consistently over and over and over and over and over.

Now we're Garrett Wilson. Now we're out of Lazard. The chemistry ain't there. Mike Williams. It ain't there. Mike Williams. The chemistry ain't there. I haven't seen him hit the back shoulder fade with the back shoulder. I haven't seen it work yet. And it's a huge chunk play.

They give the DB no chance to make a play on the ball. I haven't seen it work yet. And it's a huge chunk play that gives the DB no chance to make a play on the ball. I haven't seen it work yet. I seen it skip the ground. I see it hit the ground. I see it be too far right. I see it be too far left. And he missed, and he missed Garrett Wilson

on the throw that would have won the game probably. Remember when the game, Wilson put a stop and then wheeled up the sideline and he overshot him. Overshot him, yeah. But things like that, but you know, don't worry about it. He don't have to he got four MVP That's what the fans tell me. He'll need to work on it. So Don't work on it

You don't know you've never thrown one ball to those guys. I mean you did it in camp but Garrett Wilson and you see a lot of times in men and training camp, there was on the sideline having a discussion. Garrett Wilson's like, okay, where you want me? I want you here, but I want it over there. So those are things that you work on. Mike Williams had no chance. That ball was so far inside that the DB, I mean, think about how far it was inside because the DB is on his inside shoulder.

That's why the back shoulder works. Because he's inside, so when the wide receiver opens up, DB, I mean think about how far it was inside because the DB is on his inside shoulder. That's why the back shoulder works because he's inside. So when the DB, so when the wire receiver opens up it's on his back shoulder. There's nothing. Cause I got your pin here. You already here.

So when I open up and do that, now I got your pin here. Yeah, that was a good play. That was a good play by, that was at the end, right? When Gilmore picked it off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good play. But that's what needs to happen.

Listen, the thing is, is that what Rogers need to understand, they can't run the football lit. So it puts an immense amount of pressure on them to be great in the passing game. Right now they haven't found a chemistry. I mean, this was Garrett Wilson's best day. He had 13 for a buck, 0-1.

Ocho, he had 22 targets. I've never heard somebody have it. Okay, let me take that back. When T.O. called 20 passes, obviously he had to have 20 plus targets. When Brandon Marshall broke T.O.'s record, he had to have at least 20 targets. But do you, Chad, do y'all understand

how many 22 targets is That's a lot, right? Man, I go five. I might go five games and I get 22 targets. Yeah If they try to get him that ball today they try to give him that ball a day and get him rolling and try to get him in that ball and get him rolling today and just I Don't I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.

Listen, whenever you have a quarterback like Ann Rogers, you have a chance. It gives you a chance because of experience and what he's able to do with the ball in his hands. But when it's good, it's really good. When it's bad, it's bad. Not with 14 rushing for 36 yards. Yeah.

I don't believe at this stage of his career, he can consistently beat win games, throwing the football like he's throwing it today. But the four champs, hell, hell no. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. Hmm. They got to clean up. JJ, you got to put that in your back pocket, though. You almost threw it back to sauce gardener. You that I already ran on Joe late the ball game. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah He almost threw it back in the sauce his hands. Mm-hmm

Gotta put that one in your back pocket. That's why that's why you the highest paid That's why they look at the bank about oh Joe. They would just look at him on that last on that left They were just looking for him. Yeah, They ain't thought about him, you. We pay you 35 million, go get it bro. Mm-hmm. Go get it. Gotta put that in your back pocket, JJ. But good game overall, Nick Mullins came in,

oh Joe, he came in and threw one. After Sam Donah got hurt. Mm-hmm. But. Hey, what's the extent of Sam Donah injury? Is it bad, bad? Well, they're on a five week, so he has an extra week to recover. I don't know. Okay but The Jets they're not good enough to overcome the kind of play that Aaron Rodgers

What's the difference between what he did and Sam Donner? What's the difference between exact Wilson and him? He just got he just got he just more Distinguished he just more distinguished. He just more credentialed. That's the kind of play that Zach Wilson gave you. Three interceptions. Defense, they're not historic. They're a good defense.

They're not historically good. They're good defense. They're solid. Solid. Not, they're not, ooh boy. Oh man, Ocho man, we got our work cut out for. They ain't that kind of defense. No.

Man, we got our work cut out for us. Today, Ocho, woo woo. I don't know how we gonna, they're not that. They're not the 70 Steelers, 85, 86 Bears. They're not 2000 Ravens, 02 Bucks, the Legion of Boom. They're not that. They're good solid defense. the Legion of Boom. They're not that. They're good solid defense. In today's game, they're solid defense.

Nothing today. They like, like I said, ooh, hey, ooh, Ocho. I don't know how you feel about this one, Ocho. They don't get that kind of response. But- It nice. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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What's the difference? Oh, so y'all happy, y'all got a quarterback that's distinguished, that's credentialed, but your record says the same. I'm confused. Oh, taking a pretty lady out and she ain't gonna do nothing. You know what I'm saying?

What is that, Ocho? You say taking out and she ain't gonna do nothing? Yeah, you get them ball of cards, bought flowers, took it to the movies, got a fancy dinner. And she's like, I'm ready to go home. And not with you. What is that? They got to get this turned around. You think you hold on.

Y'all, you're just playing. Y'all brought y'all brought Aaron Rodgers in to be two and three or five games in Is that what y'all brought him in there for I just want to know y'all just let me know what y'all so okay fine If that's what y'all brought him in there for okay? Then Aaron one those MVPs in Green Bay Did y'all hear Tom Brady? Tom Brady said when he went to Tampa, this is what Brady said.

I said the same thing on air because I had done it before Tom. I was a back-to-back Super Bowl, four first team All-Pros, seven straight Pro Bowls. What they gotta do with Baltimore? I ain't do none of that for Baltimore. Tom says what I had done in New England, that ain't got nothing to do with Tampa.

I wasn't going there riding that. But I know somebody that is, but we gonna move it along, Ojo. We gonna move it along, we gonna move it along. The commanders beat the Browns 34-13. Washington might have the NFL's best offense. No team has been as high powered as the commanders over the past four has been as high powered as the commanders

over the past four games. During that stretch, the commanders are averaging 34 points a game, 409 yards. Washington is not averaging 31 points for the season. Jayden Daniels, clearly in the MVP race, can't hurt teams even when he's struggling. He did not have his best, you know, best game. 238 yards passing, but he ran for 82 more Ocho. Washington has a mass 298 of his 434 total yards on just eight plays. The offense hurt Cleveland all game long with explosive plays. The commanders are the first team since 1970 merger to score 150 plus points in the first five games of the season while starting a rookie quarterback.

It's amazing. It's amazing how a franchise turns completely around when you get a quarterback. It's amazing how you look. The commanders were four and 12 last year. Yeah. The commanders were four-12 last year. Yeah. The Commanders were 4-12 last year. You get a quarterback, not just any quarterback, a very, very good quarterback. You get a 10-year franchise-changing quarterback, and this is what you get.

Yep. This is why you pay them the big bucks. This is why you invest in them. This is why you go back and you talk to the elementary teachers before you draft him number one and number two overall. Yeah. This is what you get. You get an adequate quarterback, a dual threat quarterback who is by way before anybody tries

to say he's a running quarterback. No, he's a past first quarterback and he only runs if they he has no other choice. Then he's accurate on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Today today wasn't it. But oh, Joe, but he was throwing some high risk stuff. He was throwing the ball down the field. Oh, yeah. He was letting the rip that he was letting the real gunslinger.

You know what? McLauren down there somewhere. He was letting the rip now. He was letting the rip. Gun slinger. You know what? McLaurin down there somewhere. That homie Brown, he down there somewhere. They got me. Yeah. I'm gonna ride that wave with him too. Shit. I'm gonna command this thing.

You can run the football, Ocho. 34 rushes, 215 yards5 yards Jane Daniel 11 for 82 Austin Eckles 6 for 67 McNichols 7 for 44 Okay Okay, that'll work now. Oh y'all gotta stop the run now. I'm gonna play after you give Pliff Kingsbury his credit. Oh, yeah, He didn't have his finest showing as a head coach But there's no denying this man offensive brilliance and when it comes to ability to to be on the same Wavelength as his quarterback. Mm-hmm give DQ Dan Quinn

Okay, this quarterback. I Need somebody that can work with a quarterback that has these kinds of legs, the zone read, that's collegey. And we can work this stuff and integrate into an NFL system and be successful. I know a guy and that mofo out of work. Hey, clear. You want a job? One thing about it, you know, the most important thing you can do if you're

taking a quarterback high is to get somebody that can work with it. That is the most important thing. You get a defensive guy and then they hire another, they got somebody that's not good that can work with his skill set. Because all quarterbacks, I mean I wouldn't hire somebody to coach Peyton Manning like I would Jane Daniels Right. I'm just not I'm not gonna have somebody to coach Tom Brady like I would Caleb Williams. I'm just not They have two different skill sets Completely but man that young man dealing Ocho But man, that young man dealing, Ocho.

But you done took your glasses off, what? You all right? Ocho, I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro. I'm running out of words, Ocho. At some point in time, Ocho, just gotta stop now. Cleveland has the top more than 18 points in the game this season. The Browns in a week five with the worst third down offense in the NFL, and they failed.

They failed to convert all 12 of their third down offense in the NFL and they could, they failed. They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts today with Deshaun in the game. Ocho at some point in time, Ocho. Hey, I got a question. Listen, what's the issue? What's the issue? Is it mental? Is it the play calling? I mean, the issue? Is it mental? Is it the play calling?

I mean, what do you think it is? And I'm confused. I've been watching football for a long time, for a very long time. And the nose dive that I've seen, from a personal standpoint of R to B, maybe a top three quarterback when he was with with the Texans to what the version of the Sean Jackson I'm sorry

that the version of the Sean Watson I'm seeing now he's not even close to himself how in such a short amount of barring an injury the only time the only time oh Joe I can say I've seen this kind of drop-off from any kind of Hold on is through injury Injury, if you have a significant injury that would explain it. I could offer you Ocho man You know the man towards he towards patellar tendon. Oh, so, you know the man towards Achilles He had back-to-back ACL surgery O Oh, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone. So that would explain the cataclysmic drop in his plate.

But I don't see an injury that would cause it. This is up here. Yeah, it's mental. It's mental. Huh? Wait, listen, do you know how hard that is to get back, especially at that position? Yes, because they're going to be. Hey, listen, if you messed up mentally here

and at the quarterback position, you got the ball in your hands every time. So your judgment and your mind, it already got to be clear because if you judge me in your mind and you're not healthy as well on top of that. You'll never be you'll never be able to play well. You'll never be able to excel in that position. I think I was thinking about it. I'm looking at I'm thinking about the early today.

Well, God damn, I'm looking at what they're in the Browns, got a Mark Cooper. Jerry, you got Nick Chubb coming back soon, maybe I think maybe two weeks, maybe even one more. In Joku. Elijah, you. Elijah Moore, you bought in, you bought him a young bull. Yeah, well, I'm going blank right now. You got you bought him a young boy, Jerry, Judy, you know. I'm like, well, OK, we good. We good. We I, okay, we good. We good. I'm talking about we good.

I'm just saying from a, as a fan, as a fan of the Sean Watson, as a fan of some of these young bulls over there, man, that I enjoy watching, I'm like, okay, they gonna compete. They gonna compete. They gonna have a chance, you know, in the AFC North. And it just is not what I envisioned based on what I've seen in the past.

And I really can't put my hands on it on why they look the way they do. Oh Joe, he don't even move the same. You don't look the same in the pocket. And I think, you know, look, I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything, but I think that weighed a lot on his mind. Yeah.

I think a way to a hell of a lot on his mind. And he, what he's, he hasn't been the same. And I think everybody knows that I'm not breaking. Ocho, you and I are not breaking news. No, no, no, no, no. Everybody knows they saw, I saw the guy. He led the league his last year starting in Houston. He led the NFL in passing yards.

He did that. I'm not so sure Dishon, he's a, the 28, 29, 30, 31st, 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently. Look at Joe Flacco in Indy. Look at what Joe Flacco did in Cleveland. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is, if I'm not mistaken, I think I read this, is eight days younger than Anthony

Richardson's mom. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, that. Oh, yes. Yes, it's because I think sometimes, oh, Joe, when you have. An image, yeah, and. And then all of a sudden, that image is not what was being portrayed. And people start to like, you start to think, how do they, how do they look at me now? How do they perceive me? And that plays with you. Because you're out in the public.

Yeah. It's. If somebody I would have been so out of lost a lot of money, Ocho, if somebody would have said, Shannon, he's never going to be the same again. I said, you are at your mind. Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on. I bet. I'm a hold on. Is he going to have each other?

He's not going to have a career threatening injury. He's not going to have anything. No, he's just not going to be the same. I said, but. I would I would have bet it on He's not going to have a career threatening injury. He's not going to have anything. Nope. He's just not going to be the same. That's a bet. I would have bet it on the, I would have bet it with the quickness too. I know, I know it.

I know what I've seen from him. I know what I've seen. And I've just, I've just never seen a performance decline in such a fast rate, especially when you have a better supporting cast than what you had at Houston. And he's young. And Ocho, it wasn't like he's 30.

Deshaun is 30, is he 30? He can't because he came out, he's 29. He just turned 29, Ocho. I got a better question for you. How do we get him back to the old Deshaun? How do we fix the problem? Let me ask you a question. How do we fix the issues?

In professional sports, when have you seen a guy have this kind of precipitous drop and bounce back up? Name the sport. Football, basketball, baseball. Ain't never happened. It's hard. Oh, Joe. Yeah.

Because so much of sports is physical. Yes, we've seen guys that had talent, but you're weak-minded mentally that's what you have to be the strongest yeah what do they say the best athletes have what the strongest mentality yeah cuz that's everything you have every self belief that I'm the baddest mofo on this field this court this diamond this whatever the case move whatever your avenue this court, this diamond, whatever the case may be, whatever your avenue, this court, Serena, whatever your arena is, you have the mindset that I'm the baddest mofo here.

Right. Cause a lot, bro, Tom Brady ain't the most talented quarterback. Not even close. He might not be in the top, he might not Brady, the most talented quarterback, not even close. He might not be in the top. He might not be in the top one as far as I'm talking about. I'm talking about physical talent. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I'm talking about the ability to run, jump, arm strength. But that joke of mine, that's that's where they beat you at him and Peyton. Drew Brees, that's where they beat you at. He man, Peyton, Drew Brees. That's where they beat you at. They beat you upstairs. All that coach speak to Tom. Oh, man, that's a great time. Listen, and I just tell people, how do you know? I said, I'm telling you how they think.

Let me tell you, we did a lot of this too. They're going to tell you what a great team that is. And they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined. They're really well coached. But great team that is. And they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined. They're really well coached. But in that closed door behind that meeting, Belichick is telling them we're going to kick their ass.

And Tom Brady is in that meeting telling them at practice, we're going to kick their ass. They don't deserve to be on the field. But we're going to keep hyping them up. He actually believed that. And what great leaders can do, they can convince others around them to believe just like they are. Right. They believe just what Tom was so great and so believable.

Guys, we're going to keep we're going to do this. We're going to do this. Here with Tom said, man, we're down 14 times said we're coming back. Yeah, we coming back. Yeah, we coming back Uh-huh. That's how it works. I Don't think the Sean I don't think is What happened same thing look at Ben Simmons? Look at Ben Simmons and basketball locho Oh All defensive all-star all, all NBA rookie of the year. Yeah, he got hurt.

But the mentality was, is that what happened in Philly? Y'all remember I said, I said, he's never going to be the same. His coach criticized him and the best player on the team criticized it. I say, it's over. I said he done it fairly. But stuff like that shouldn't break you. That's that's motivating right now. Oh Joe, but you have to motivate.

I ain't what I I'm who I want. Let me ask you a question. Okay. Oh, okay. It's the it's fourth and five. They call a play for you. You say, Hey, hold on. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. What down? What down it is? It's fourth and five. Okay. Okay. No, we're in the huddle. No, they call the play. They say, oh, I call the play. Call the play. Let's say we gonna call 200 J. Excellent. That's you. You the X. No, no, but this what you do. You done lost your confidence so bad, you like Carson, throw TJ the ball. Oh hell nah. Hey you got hell nah, you got me fucked. What? What fourth and five?

And you know it's four down and they finna play man to man? Man. You remember that game when they played Atlanta? They passed Ben Simmons the ball. And Ben Simmons passed it. Oh, he right there. Hey, we had the layup and he passed it off.

I remember to play exactly. You see now you see what I'm talking about. I remember that. I remember that. But hold on. Wait, he lost his confidence that bad. Do we just want to make a layup or yes, because he didn't want to run the risk of getting foul and have to get go to the free throw line.

Oh, he is. He like shack at the free throw line. I love the difference. Oh, Joe. See, here's the thing. I can teach you to swim. If you're not afraid of the water, if you're afraid of water, I can't teach how to swim, right? Damn man

So that's the thing look In baseball Chuck Knoblauch. He couldn't throw the ball. He was second baseman He couldn't throw it the first base Steve Sachs ran into a little bit of a little problem like that Ian Baker finished they had the yip David Duvall They were never the same They were never the same. Damn. They got the yips and Chuck Knoblauch, what was the pitcher for the Cardinals?

They ended up having, what's his name? Remember the pitcher for the Cardinals? They ended up moving him to the outfield. He was a pitcher. He lost his confidence. He couldn't find the plate. They ended up moving him to the outfield. He was a pitcher. He lost his confidence. He couldn't find the plate. They ended up moving him to the, Rick Ankeel, was it Rick Ankeel?

I think that's who it was. Wasn't he a pitcher? Yes, Rick Ankeel. Happens, man. Lose your confidence, Ocho. Because this sports is everything. That's all we got. Yeah, you need to have some level of talent.

Now, the guys that have the talent, and they have the mindset, now you get a Michael. You get a Kobe. You get a LeBron. You get a Magic Johnson. You get Jerry Rice's and the Randy Malzins and the Terrell Lowens.

You get the Reggie Weiss and the Lawrence Taylor and the Dion Sanders. That's what you get. Yeah. You get guys like that. Oh yeah, or you get a dude who changed the goddamn last name to a number that don't make no goddamn sense

and put on on this god damn thing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey the tier where Randy and teal them, you know, I am I was more to me I was about entertainment and having fun. That's it But you know how nutty and crazy and confident you have to be for me to go to the courthouse To tell the judge I'm gonna pay this money because I want to change my name to a number That resonates with my Jersey But not only is the name spelled wrong because I want to change my name to a number that resonates with my Jersey, but not only is the name spelled wrong, that's nutty, but that ain't number confidence. I believe in me.

You get, I mean, you get a Megatron. A guy that's extreme. Look at that, look at that. I mean, a guy that's six foot five, 235, 240, running for three. Oh three So when you get you get that you get the perfect storm but It's the fancy the head coach of the Cleveland Brown says we're staying with the Sean Yeah, he has to say that what can you say?

Especially when you have so you're paying a quarterback that kind of money who has a guaranteed contract or what? Two 30, two 20, whatever, whatever it may be. You got to. Yep. I agree. Oh Joe, before we get to the next game, I want to recognize our first tour sponsor. Ali pop. Ali.

You got one too? No, no, no, no, no, no. See, I didn't drink. I didn't drink all mine. It's a new kind of soda. Tastes great. Have five. Probably grab the sugar.

Hold on, hold on. Hey, do me a favor. Do me a favor for the chat real quick. See if you can, you know what? Hey, see if you can chug it all in one and one walk. And we gonna chill you on. No. Go. Because I gotta go to bed.

I'll be up all night. Pia, I got the bladder of a 90 year old. Oh, no, I'm done right now. That's all that I'm going to be able to. First of all, drinking this, I need to stop drinking tea because I'll be up. I'll be up all night going to the bathroom. I need to get me a slot jar and put it side the bed.

Anybody don't know that. Oh, it growing up in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Yeah. They didn't have, they had outhouses, but they had, they called them nightpots or slot jars. They put them inside the bed and they would pee or poop in them. And then they take them out the next morning.

So I didn't get- Oh, so they ain't got, so they ain't had to get up? Yeah, cause hell nah, you don't want to go to the outhouse in the middle of the night. Night, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we hit the woods, we ain't had no, so. That's what that was. But my favorite, this is my favorite. If you OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we hit the woods. We have those. So that's what that was.

But my favorite is my favorite. If you notice, I really I'm a really a ginger ale guy. Yeah. Once they told him, you know, we was talking to him and they like I was like, you got ginger ale? They're like, yeah, as a matter of fact, we do. I said, well, let me let you boy get some of that ginger ale. Because I I have with ginger ale. But now I'm done.

That's that's all I could drink for the night, man. I'm not first of all, I got to get up in about about five and a half hours anyway you got to get up in five hours yeah I got yeah the fact you used to our first date I got a flight I got a beat that they say another hurricane is coming yeah so I got to leave two days early to make sure I don't get stuck here so I'm already on up in the Midwest a little bit so I can get to and from work. And I'm hoping I'm hoping to turn. I'm hoping it curve or whatever. But we just we just dealt with a hurricane and now we got another one coming our way again.

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