Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Dan Campbell impressive, Bill Belichick UNC interview, Tom Brady hypocrite

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are impressed with Dan Campbell, Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions moving to 12-1 after beating division rivals Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers on Thursday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Bill Belichick interviewing with the University of North Carolina Tar Heels football team for their head coaching position, Unc calls Brady a hypocrite for saying the NFL should penalize late slides and much more!03:55 - Show start07:00 - Packers v Lions20:15 - Dak defended Mike McCarthy23:10 - Bears should discuss trade with Shanahan25:20 - Belichick interviews with UNC34:05 - Former players chiming in on Azer hit43:43 - Aaron Rodgers says he has nothing to prove48:50 - Jamarr Chase’s dad says he could still win the SB with that offense56:10 - NFL will fine 15k if players post their drug test requests on social media(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now that's going to be a problem. They're a really good football team. Detroit is just a better team. But this was a very good game. This was one of the most exciting Thursday night games that I can remember because back and forth, we went a lot of office and I know people like to see office at home, but the Lions prevail 34, 31. Y'all know who I am.

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as FW in S. in SFW. So, all right, let's get right into the game. As I mentioned earlier, the Detroit Lions moved to 12 and 134. Green Bay Packers fall to nine and 431. So the Lions win 3431 over division rival the Green Bay Packers. The 11th straight win Jerry golf had another efficient game He was 32 or 41 to 83 three touchdowns one interception. He was sacked once He's a he threw the ball to seven different receivers six different receivers caught a pass

He was 32 completions 2833 yards, three touchdowns played very, very well. They didn't run the ball great tonight, but they ran the ball well enough because now play action is set up off of the running game. And you saw a lot of those cross and routes, a lot of the shake out route throws because the play action is so good because they can run it. And Green Bay had to honor that Ocho. Guys were wide open. But I was very impressed with Green Bay because they could have easily run in here, but give them credit.

They came out forced to turn over right away and even took the lead. And they went back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. But the play of the game was when Detroit stopped them from getting into the end zone and they only could tie. It had been very interesting to see. I still believe that Detroit was going to go down to get a touchdown, even if they needed it, because they match the intensity. Once Green Bay took the lead now, they went down and got touchdown, touchdown,

touchdown, and they're going forward on fourth down and pick it up every time. But I like what I saw from the Detroit Lions. They've been very, very impressive. I think they're the best team in football right now. Follow closely by the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh Joe, what did you like about what you saw from this ball game? Listen, forget the ball game in general. I like what I, I like what I saw from Dan Campbell. I like what I saw from Dan Campbell.

When you talk about having cojones and you talk about having, uh, testicles, the size of a goddamn Tyrannosaurus Rex. That's Dan Campbell. The fact that he changed the entire culture over there to a winning culture. And he believed when you have a coach like that, man, that's willing to go for it on four down, you know, that's telling your players. I believe in y'all. I believe in you.

I believe in you. So that energy, I mean, to play for somebody like Dan Campbell, who's also who's a players coach, who also played in NFL, has to be one of the greatest feelings for that organization and those players in general, because stuff like that, it makes you want to run the wall for a person. It makes you want to run the wall for a coach like that. Well, only who coaches like that. Not only that he doesn't play conservative,

you play in all the plays, he's playing balls to the walls regardless of the scenario, regardless of circumstance and it's dope. And I think that's one of the reasons why they are 12 and one. Yeah. He's all, he's constantly pedal to the metal. He's constantly putting pressure. Not only does he put pressure on his offense, I mean, on the opposing defense, he's putting pressure on his defense also because sometimes situations you probably could get those guys, the opposing team to football at midfield or maybe even in your territory, but he just has that much confidence in his team. He said, office, I have the utmost confidence in you that you're going to get this.

And if you don't defense, I have the utmost confidence that you're not going to give up a touchdown and you're going to hold it. You're going to hold him at worst case scenario. You're going to give him three points or we're going to get the football back with no damage done. And so that that sends a message. You're absolutely right. Oh, Joe, that resonates with his ballclub and you hear the guys, the way they talk about Dan Campbell, they absolutely 1000% believe in him. He's the de facto leader. And I love the fact don't one voice, one sound.

Hey, a cowboy fan. Y'all would love to have that. Wouldn't you? One voice, one sound, Mike, one voice, one sound, Kansas city, one voice, one sound. That's what you do. That's the heartbeat. And you notice, you notice the difference of all the teams that you just named. Yeah.

They went in, you know, is what they able to do consistently year in year out. When I, it ain't, it ain't rocket science and the coach and the coach and the coach voice, the coaches, the end all be all, but when you got people, you know, you got people that want to be all in your video, all the, you know, dancing and shy and trying to shine and trying to steal everybody else thunder. This is what you get. This is exactly what you get. Hey, even though yeah, Philly, here's Serena, you might not like some of the things they

say and you know, he might be getting into it with the fans, but you know, you're higher Roseman, you don't hear Jeffrey Lurie. You, you, you go to Buffalo. You know, you don't hear the Pagoulas talking. you, you, uh, you go to Buffalo. You don't, you don't hear the Pagoulas talking. Now you hit Mcgarvin. That's it. And that's how it should be. One band, one sound. That's the way it should be.

Jordan love finished 12 or 20 only got 20 passes, 206 yards of touchdown. The Tucker craft, Josh Jacobs had a monster game. He didn't rush for a ton of yards. Oh Joe, when he got the ball into the end zone three times, that's the one thing that he can do that he has a sense for getting the ball into the end zone. He's going to find a way to slither his way. He'll power his way because he can run with power. He can run with finesse.

He has great hands. He's yes, he's really good, but I was really impressed with the Packers. That was a short week and you have to travel. And both teams, you're not doing it. Basically, it's a whole lot of walkthroughs and a whole lot of film study. Your body's not really fully recovered yet. And I'm surprised more people don't get injured, Ocho, because you have such a short week. You play on Sunday.

And then guess what? Monday, Tuesday, you got to travel Wednesday and then you play in normally. Hell, I didn't start to feel good once I got it like year seven, year eight. Hell, I ain't start feeling good till Friday. You know, the funny thing I think about it, too, and the fact that even on these short weeks, you know, from a 30 to a to a Sunday or a Sunday to a Thursday, I think about the fact that we in week 13, we in week 12. So the body should be adjusted in enough.

Enough wear and tear has been built up to this point to where you should be able to adjust to it. Even though it's a short week. You ain't adjusting them legs. Bad. I bet I'd be walking massages and cold tub. But like, but the thing is, Ocho, is that like you said, you're not out there running, basically it's a lot of walkthroughs.

It's a lot of film study. You're running plays that you're very, very comfortable with. You know what you know. I love we're in the same division. And these coaches have been in play for an extended period of time. We know what you do. You know what we do. OK, listen, who can out execute the other

of the other team by doing what we do? We believe we can do what we do better than what you can do. That's what it come down to. They got a turnover, one turnover, well, two turnovers. Detroit got one and Green Bay got one because Kristen Watson, former of the football, and Detroit went ahead and took that in and then golfed through an interception and then the Packers go right down the field and Detroit went ahead and took that in and then golf through an

interception and then the Packers go right down the field and score. But this was a very good game. Um, Detroit, Detroit's really good, man. Yeah, very really good. But I'm still as good as they are. Oh Joe, after watching the Eagles. Yeah. Eagles right there.

There ain't much separation between them and the Eagles. Yeah. That's on both sides of the ball too and that's on both sides of the ball, too That's on both sides of the ball. Listen, the Lions got got gives in Montgomery But say corn is able to do the exact same game. Well, I like game will again game game Well is nice to have plus. Oh, don't let me cut me the stages right here and and you got Jaylin hurts Yeah, yeah golf golf doesn't add anything to the running game like hurts add to the Eagles running game, you have give you, you have knuckles and Sonics or whatever they

call themselves, but that's where it stops. Cause you get nothing out of the quarterback. Right. I think, I think, you know what, for what they lack in quarterback play from a dual quarterback standpoint with golf being a strictly a drop back passer. They make up for it. The wide receiver position though.

Yes. They make up for it. That's not taking anything away from Devontae Smith and, uh, and goddamn AJ Brown. Yeah. And then both, both defenses are really good. Now the second level for, for the Lions is a little off. It's a little off. Too many passing affairs, too many holding, Locho. Too many who? Too many passing affairs,

too many holdings. They lead the league in behind. Terryon. Terryon. Terryon. Jozef. Come on, bro. Yeah, they got to work on that. They have to learn to be patient. They got to learn to be patient. They got to learn to be patient and use their eyes a little bit more. Keep yourself in position. You keep yourself in position to make a play, trying to keep the receiver always either in front of you or stand on top of him.

Right. You're always being a safe spot and be able to get your eyes around without panicking. Anytime you panic, first thing you do is you pull, you pull your tug. And I'm afraid what's going to happen, Ochoa, I can see this happening. They got to have to be careful because you're going to get in a situation where it's late in the ball game

and you're going to do what you've always done, which is tug. And everybody goes, say, you wait, not through it when it's an obvious P.I. I don't know. I don't know what Arnold is doing. I mean, he gets at least one again. And sometimes they decline them for the simple fact that God didn't make the catch, but he's going to have to be. He's going to have to be better in that area. But the choice really, really good.

Zedaria Smith has another sack. He's playing extremely well. But I like what I see from Detroit. I like what I saw from Detroit. Now you get 10 days, you get some time off. Ocho, you got Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Um, coach Campbell probably not going to see the guys until at least noon on Monday. You come in, get your run, get your lifting, you know, try to get some of that sort of stuff. I mean, Hey, some people might go out of town, but I was gonna go in and get me a run in. I'm not, I'm not going nowhere. I'm going to get my

run in. Matter of fact, matter of fact, knowing, knowing Dan, being that he's a player's coach and they're playing so well being 12 and one, he probably gonna let them boys go. Yeah, man, y'all get away from here and get off your feet. Get away from football, get away from football for a few days. And when you come back, be ready to go. Well, damn, if they give, if they get Friday Saturday Sunday down enough time. I mean, I mean three days after 13 weeks

I mean, you know, you know, it just had a bye Yeah, but listen Thanksgiving listen the real football doesn't start until after Thanksgiving So right now to be they want to know but hold on Oh Joe They got a full week because they played on Thanksgiving. So they got a normal, it's a normal week for them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. You're right. Right.

So, so guess what? They got, so they got an opportunity, Ocho, to have Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off last week. Then they come Monday, Tuesday, travel with the boom. Right, right. They should be good. Now, they probably was hurting. You play Sunday and then you got Thanksgiving Day.

Now you got a whole week in between. But I'm sure Coach Cavanaugh, I don't know what his strategy is. He might help. He might say, hey, I see you all Wednesday. Yeah. I'm coming. Come in tomorrow. Get your run. Get your lift. Get some sort of stuff. And I'll see get your lift, get some soreness out. And I'll see you guys on Wednesday and see you guys Wednesday morning. Brighton Earth.

Yeah, that could be that could be the approach that he takes. But it was a very good game. Very interesting game. Two good two teams, both teams in the same conference. 12 and one Minnesota's 10 and two Green Bay 94. But Green Bay's sneaky good. Well, they're not sneaky. They're just really good. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's

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It kind of has a Scarface vibe to it, which I thought was very interesting. Listen to the I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast and wherever you get your podcast. Dak Defended Mike McCarthy said, I wholeheartedly believe in him. Dak thinks McCarthy deserves another contract. He also said he would help McCarthy if he had more influence on the team's development. But McCarthy said he's confused by Dak comments. According to Clarence Hill, the Cowboys coach McCartney said he had the most input he's ever had. His head coach.

Oh Lord, that mercy coach to compare to green Bay. He is not sure what that meant by needing him influence on his terms. We know Mike McCarthy does not have no power. Thank you. He's a head coach in title only. Listen, you, you just, you, you, and that, and I'm in a disrespect, a disrespectful way for those that understand the game of football, for those who know about when it comes to being the coach of the Dallas Cowboys

organization, but that's the only helmet. There's one person that runs a show and it's not the head coach and it's always always been that way. You have no pool. You know exactly what that meant by the words that he said. Yes. And I'm not I'm taking that what he said with a grain of salt, because guess what? He said he wanted Scott Linehan.

He said he wanted Kelly Kelly Moore. He said he wanted Jason Garrett. He said he wanted this one and he wanted that one. So what's he supposed to say? Now, I won't might because I want another head coach. I want another play caller. Of course he's going to say all the right things. Because if you go back and check his track record, Ocho, he said the exact same thing about every offensive

coordinator, about every head coach that he's had. I mean, you have to, you have to, he has to be PC. He's a quarterback. He's the face of the franchise, no matter what. So he has to say all the right things. It's not like he's going to come out and go against go against you know his head coach. I mean come on Mike You know, I know it should but I'm saying for him to say My let me ask you a question. Do you have any say on the final 53? No, do you have any say in free agency?

Do you have any say in the draft? No, so if that if that's the case, so I'm just trying to figure out What do you mean? You have some say. Wait, then you say he had more say, more control and more say than we than he had in Green Bay. Yeah, I disagree. Maybe, maybe, oh, Joe, maybe at the end, maybe at the end, he didn't have the same amount of say, but it's hard for me to believe throughout his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas that he had in Green Bay.

You know what they get right? his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas that he had in Green Bay. You know what they get, right? Job. That's what they get. You know, damn well stop playing. Well, see now by saying that, you know, you take some of the owners off Jerry. So we can't blame Jerry fully. So Jerry can say, Oh, see he would, I didn't say that he has some say, let's get his ass up out of here. Cause we lose it.

You know, what's funny now don't be the Jerry come back and fire back in his own way, his own meticulous way, because you know, he can't, he can't stay from that goddamn camera. Mike Florio believes the bears should discuss a trade for Shanahan with the 49ers. The bears are also expected to interview Pete Carroll. I don't believe they need a defensive coordinator as a head coach. I believe now if Pete Carroll is gonna go get him

a Cliff Kingsbury or get someone that's good with this type of quarterback, this type of quarterback, I mean, a Caleb Williams. Okay, fine. But you better have someone that has. Offensive ingenuity. That's forward thinking. Creativity. Yes, yes, I love I love Pete Carroll. I love Pete Carroll, but the idea of Shannon Han and his offensive prowess

and his creativity and what he can do when it comes to quarterbacks In the creativity and taking some of the pressure off of Haley Williams where he hit where he doesn't have to do so much because the offense does everything for you Putting people putting the putting pieces in the right places and allowing that team to function and flow offensively And he got the pieces to do it. They do Allen DJ Moore, you know, yeah. You got a swift. I'm not saying that the 49ers, but I'm just saying you do. And obviously the office line

has some work that needs to be done there as well. But he has a great arsenal weapons to work with. I'm just saying if the switch was to happen, I think it would improve that off that that Chicago Bears offense tremendously. Yeah, I see you on Spirit Wi Fi tonight. Me? Yeah, I'm talking to you on your damn who you think I'm talking to. Oh, okay. Listen, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Listen, the people from a Wi Fi my internet service, they won't be here tomorrow. So what I'm doing right now is chat. You all bear with me today.

Just this just one time. Just just just tonight. I'm using my hotspot for my phone to my laptop to do the show tonight. So just bear with me for any any any lags or lagging. I apologize. I'll be back. I'll be back on business Saturday. Hmm. OK. I hope so. My bad. My bad.

You know. Coach Belichick interviewed for UNC's at the University of North Carolina head coach in vacancy. He reportedly blew them away in the interview. I mean, I don't know why y'all surprised by that. Coach Belichick seemed genuinely interest interested in the job. Excuse me. At the age of 72, coach Belichick has no prior pre college experience.

Oh, Joe, do you like coach Belichick going back? Uh, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I want, at some point I would love for Coach Belichick to get the most wins as a head coach in NFL in the past and I can't get that done going to North Carolina. I think going to college is not a bad thing but there's a disadvantage due to the competition level being the playing field being even because of NIL. I don't think Bill needs to get into that realm and that area where you're not

really getting the players you need to have a winning season or actually to be able to compete at a high level. I would prefer Bill to stay with us at Inside NFL until the right job comes. To his job comes to his, how do I say it, to the right NFL job comes, you know, the right one where he can continue to win and strive to get to reaching that goal of being the most winning NFL head coach ever. I think, Coach Ocho, Coach Belichick, it had to be a huge crush to his ego. You talk about a guy that's won six Super Bowls and he ain't get none of the jobs.

There was six or seven jobs that were available and he got none of them. Yeah, but he got none of them. Can I ask you a question though? Yes. Think about this. Of those six or seven jobs that are available, which one would have been the best fit that can get where he can continue his reign of dominance? No way you got no quarterback. I mean you got a quarterback but you ain't got Tom Brady.

But at this point, Ocho, let me ask you a question. You're the best receiver in football. That's me. That's me. You got all the records. You done had six straight 100 catch seasons. You had six straight seasons at least 1300 yards. Six straight seasons of 10 touchdowns. And, oh well that is- Okay, they move on. And you can't find one job. Yeah.

Hey, can I tell you something? Yeah. It's become a young man's game. Not only has it become a young man's game, it's become a young coach's game as well. But Bill doesn't speak for itself. It speaks volumes. It's all about Bill being able to adapt to today's players.

Can he change some of the things that he did during the old days, some of the old ways and try to try to revamp? Like, you know, I tell you got these sometimes you got the evolved you You can't you can't you can't do the things you did back in the day and think it's gonna work in today's era You know the players Oh, Joe, he kids don't give a damn about no resume, Ocho. These kids don't care about no resume. I know the kids don't. I'm just saying the organizations might, might, if he goes in and shows that he can adapt

to the kids in today's era. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Can he adapt? It's hard, Ocho, when you've been in your is hard when you've done something one way and had ultimate success doing it that way. Now all of a sudden I, you mean to tell me to do a one 80.

Yeah. Oh Joe, that's hard. And the kids today, oh Joe, there's not the same level of respect for coaching and authority that it once was what you and I grew up with. And the way we see it gradually, gradually dissipating where the coaches authority and the coaches voice is not as powerful as it once was. Now it is in some locker rooms, but I remember five years ago, five years ago, Coach Belichick walk into a locker room with that resume.

Yeah. Now everybody the first day they gonna call it a question. He ain't one know what I go, he ain't one know what I Tom Brady. Yeah. Yeah. I just be what I was. Right, but you know what I see,

especially with the young players that looked up to him as a coach and respect what he's done I think he can walk into a locker room and it'd be instant respect even from the young even from the young guns even from the young I think so you see now to get young guys are disrespectful to the veteran players. So you think they go Yeah, yeah That we used to have for authority. Now, forget, forget the resume just for authority, even if it was somebody that wasn't related to us, but they were older than us or they were in an authoritative position.

Oh, we held them in respect. Yeah, yeah. I think the same now, Joe. And I know what you mean, but listen, Bill, Bill is a different figure. He's a legend at this. You know, I think the players would respect that. That's a legend. This thing I know what you mean, but listen, Bill is a different figure. He's a legend at this. I think the players would respect, that's a legend. This ain't just no any coach. Oh shit, I'm playing for God damn Bill Belichick, the one who's won six of the bowls,

who knows how to win. That's just how I see it. You talking how you talk. That's how you thinking. Right. But you wasn't on your phone. You wasn't on your phone soon as the game was over to see what somebody said negative about Ocho.

So you could confront a receiver. I mean a reporter. That is what you did. You wasn't on your phone trying to find out who said something negative about me because I had an off game. That is what you did. Coach tell you one thing. ain't trying to find out what who says something negative about me. Cause I had an off game. That ain't what you did. Coach tell you one thing, you go do something else because I know better than coach it's going to be very, very interesting.

Very interesting to see. Um, because you and I both know the longer you away from something, the harder it is to get back into it. Yeah. We just talked about the separation in a relationship. Okay. We start out at a week, then two weeks, then a month, two months, then a year.

Yeah. You know, once you get to a month, you know what that mean, huh? I don't mean nothing, Ocho. I'm just saying, month, six months. Now you getting six months. Now you getting six months. Now you not, oh, old joke. Now you in the, hey, it's an old saying.

Now you crossing the Rubicon. That means you're reaching the point of no return. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been there before. I've been to the Rubicon back in 87. Yeah, back in 87. I tell you, I tell you to the Rubicon back in 87. I tell you, I tell you no lie. I never forget her. You know, that's a story I can say for another day, but her name was, they call her, they call her Ruby. They call it Ruby Red. Her name was Ruby Red. You know?

Yeah. She had red hair too. That's why we called her Ruby Red. Yeah. Yeah, man. And so it's going to be, I hope coach Belichick, I mean, I look, I, I, there are some some things the way he did things with and handle the media. But I think now I don't, you know, his his his coaching Aukman is not to be questioned. Yeah, he knows the game forward and backwards now. For me, it probably would had I got drafted to coach Belichick,

see, it's easy to get drafted somewhere, Ocho, and go there because that's all you know. Had I gone somewhere else and then had to play for coach Reeves, it probably would have been a little different. But he was hell from day, so that's all I knew. See, if you raised in hell and all you've ever dealt with with the devil,

so you go to another devil, you're cool. Hell, I've been with the devil my whole life. Right, right. Right. To go somewhere where you don't have to deal with the devil. And now you got to deal with it. Now you got hell on your head. Figuratively and literally. Yeah. But I hope Coach Belichick gets a chance. I think he deserves the opportunity.

Well, I think with his resume and what he's done and how he's been. He's had some some slip ups, but I think he's earned the right to at least get a one more chance to try to break that record. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if he if he if he gets it. Hey. I know, I know one thing I've already already put my I put my word in. I put my word in if if at any point you do get a job,

you know, he's gonna bring you on as an assistant. Okay. A lot of former players have chimed in on the Al Sheer of Zed Al Sheer hit on Trevor Lawrence. Bill Romanowski, my former teammate, said the hit was dirty, but I loved it. Sounds like Romo. Joe Thomas says the NFL needs to ban weaponized quarterback slides. Tom Brady suggested the NFL needs to change the rules to penalize late slide.

Tom Brady said something very interesting. He said they're putting the owners on the defense. Tom Brady is the wrong messenger because they had a rule change. Does he not know the Brady rule was instituted to protect him? He's, I get it. I get what he's saying, Ocho, but he's the wrong messenger because a lot of these rules that they put in place to protect the quarterback, he benefited from. It's kind of like what we see with a lot of Hispanics when they talk about, yeah, deport, deport, deport. When they got over here,

we see it and we know how they got over here. See, it's easy to say that ex post facto. What I'm here now, I don't give a, close it. Don't let nobody else over. Tom Brady said, well, hell, I ain't gotta take no more hits. Punish the quarterback. Really, bro? Really?

Yeah. Yeah, and? Really? Yeah. And I get everything that they said, oh, Joe, the late slide. Patrick Mahomes is notorious for that. Seeming like he's going to slide and then he wiggle and finagle. No, that's wrong. Punish it because of my listen to all my Ross Brown. He said that Caleb Williams had a habit of pretending like he's gonna go out of bounds and and

They showed the clip Dan Campbell say if he do if he does this y'all punish his ass. Yeah, and that's exactly what happened That's why they didn't throw a flag because he won the He said he had a habit of doing this We don't put we don gonna put helmets on his ass. Yeah. See, I might not stop him from doing it, but I'll break his ass with a habit.

I'm gonna grab him and say, I might not stop you, but I'll break you to have it. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Tom is the wrong messenger when he benefited. One of the, he was one of the most beneficiary's of the rule change to protect the quarterback Ocho. So how is he going to say this now?

I think he's saying it because of the way the quarterbacks are taking advantage of the rule. He took advantage of it. Yeah, I mean, you know, he can't he can't scramble. He can't run. He couldn't run. Now they think they took he took advantage of it in the pocket. Yes. So the owners at that point it's on the defensive player. Why you put that? Hold on,

he said the owner shouldn't be on the defensive player to protect the offensive player. That's what he's saying. So why is it on the owners when his ass is in the pocket? Yeah, that's a good one. But I'm trying to give you better context for those that are running quarterbacks that are that choose to take advantage of the situation that they know. Well, you know what I can fake it. I can act like I'm gonna go out of bounds and I'm gonna take it up the field. I'm gonna take it up the sideline. So Shazir I understand. I understand that was a late slide. That was a late slide. But I'm getting ready to say Jerry golf. That was a late slide by Trevor. No, you got, you got to protect yourself.

That was a late slide. Oh Joe, you do realize how tall Trevor Laura Sears. That was late. No. That was late. Oh Joe, oh Joe, it wasn't a late slide. But when you six foot five, you make it seem like he Kyle O'Berry.

Damn. But when you six foot five you make it seem like he Kyle a bury That's a lot of bad to get down into a sliding position How many how many times you see how many times you see Aaron judge steal a base? Do you know how hard it is for him to get his ass down and slide? Unless they got nobody in that position that they got a shift on or something. Yeah Unless they got nobody in that position like they got a shift on or something. Yeah That's what but here's the thing. It's just like a quarterback when they fake spike it and then throw the ball What about that? Oh Joe? Should you be allowed to do that? I really seen that since merino against the jazz They'll do it They still do it. I

Think the quarterbacks are afraid They still do it? I think the quarterbacks are afraid now. I ain't seen it in a minute. I think it's only a handful of quarterbacks have done that since Danny. But, and they put in the Jags, to finish up Ocho, the Jags placed Trevor Lawrence on injury reserve yesterday, likely ending his season.

I think he's gonna have surgery when he was dealing with something before this. Okay, Okay. He's had a, he had shoulder issues before that Ocho. But all I'm saying is this, I understand what Tom is saying, but as a quarterback that's benefited from it, you can't say, Ocho, you can't say change the tax code when you benefited from the old tax code and you made millions and billions. Now, a, close it, close that loophole, man. Don't let nobody else do that. It's like a portal.

Oh, Joe, remember how we see these sci-fi movies where they jump through the portal and then they try to close it so nobody else, no, bro, what's up? Yeah, you're right. I understand what you mean. But that, listen, and I get it, they're gonna have to do something about this.

Like, you can't fake like you're to slide because they change the rules in college because Kenny Pickett appeared. He pretended like you'd go fly and he kept running and ended up winning the game. So you can't do that now. And they're going to pay if you want to change the rules. But once that guy go into a slide, because once he goes into that motion, Ocho, like I said, he's a big ass man. That's a lot to go from a fully upright position

into a sliding position. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean, but listen, with understanding of that, being that you're a bigger man, I mean, you got to start that slide a little earlier. Guys, I'm not saying Tom Brady, Tom, I'm saying Tom Brady, Bennett footed from rules that protected the quarterback.

So imagine if you couldn't hit the quarterbacks with Elway and Marino, cause I'll give you a prime example. Trent Green lost his starting job in St. Louis. That's how we came to see Kurt Warner. Rodney Harrison did the exact same thing to Trent Green that Bennett Pollard did to Tom Brady. Did they change the rules? Absolutely not. The moment they did it to Tom Brady, what did they do? They called it the Brady rule. A quarterback, now a defender. He can't tackle the quarterback below the knee. Yeah. He can't hit. He can only hit the quarterback

here. You can't drive your weight onto the quarterback. You got the baby him down. You got the if I got him, I got to do like this and you see a lot of guys sack the court or hit the quarterback. They got their arms spread and try to dissipate the amount of weight that's going on the quarterback So all I'm saying I didn't say Tom was a scrambler, but you can benefit from rules Even though sick that situation maybe wasn't applicable for him But he did benefit from rules that were implemented to protect the quarterback, right? So you want to see them change the rules so what would you have them do? implemented to protect the quarterback. Right.

So you want to see them change the rules. So what would you have them do? Ooh, that's tough. Do away with the slides. So now quarterback can't give himself up. You can't, cause that's part of the game. That's part of the game. You definitely can't take that out. But I don't, I don't know.

I think you would have to put the onus on the quarterback and being smart and being able to slide early based on situation and circumstance, depending on what defenders are. And I think defenders have to protect themselves and understand the situation at hand and knowing that the quarterback don't slide and also knowing who you're playing against. You know, you got some quarterbacks that are knuckleheads, you know. Right. They'll drop the shoulder now.

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Listen to the I Am Rapaport Stereo Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, and wherever you get your podcast. What we got despite his struggles, Aaron Roger says he has nothing to prove over the final fast five game in burn that his career compliments should supersede. See, I told you should supersede his performance down the stretch. He said it would be ridiculous to make a player with his resume audition for next season. Oh Joe, this is why we love professional sports because what

must you do every week? Oh Joe, update your resume. Update your resume. So I want to ask Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers, what has those four MVPs done for the giant digest this year? That's what you do every time you step on the field Oh Joe yeah for my job. Yeah Yeah, but you you already know what they're going to do though. You already know what they're going to do.

You know how difficult it is to find a quarterback. You know how long the Jets been looking for a quarterback? They still looking. Yeah, I know they still looking even though Aaron Rodgers is playing bad. It's the possibility, it's the thought, it's the hope that he's going to play like the Aaron Rodgers of old. And even if he shows glimpses of flashes of the old Aaron Rodgers, maybe for the Jets organization, maybe that's just enough to give them hope that things may change.

Maybe. So if there's an opportunity or a chance for him to come back next year, guess where he's going to be because of who he is and because of the exact same thing he said, because of his resume, he don't get a chance just because it's him. Uh, I, I, I don't know. I, like I said, I don't know what he Johnson, like a lot of other people, they seem to see, uh, that he had and the owner of the jets, Woody Johnson,

it's kind of like they don't see eye to eye. There's reports that he wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers at some point in time this year. Coaches fall back at it, fall back against that. If they want me to stay fantastic, if they take these five games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table. Nothing this year. But that being said, I love to play really freaking well these last five games.

Oh, it's also, you say that's what I'm saying. He thinks that the normal rules for NFL player Joe Montana. Yeah. He didn't finish. You can, he didn't finish in San Francisco. Emma Smith, Bruce Smith, Jerry Rice, some of the historic great players. There are a lot of what a top 100 players that did not finish their career with the team that drafted them, but somehow Aaron think he should be exempt because of his resume.

And can I can I tell you something? Yeah. In that chat, y'all listen to me. Because his name is Aaron Rodgers, because of what he's done in the past, he's going to get that grace simply because he's a quarterback. Even though some might not like it, we might not like it. It's just the honest truth. I believe there's a greater chance he

plays elsewhere than with the Jets. Now, I don't see it. Well, you know, the Vontae is going after this. He's only he's only he's only one year out. Basically, yeah, you know, you know, you might be right. You might you might be right, because most of the pieces are going to be gone. You might be right, because most of the pieces are going to be gone. You might be right. But what would that be?

I don't know. I mean, they tell me everybody keeps hoping to get the older Rogers. You just get the older Rogers. I mean, I'm not breaking news. Take that aside. Look, if that man has if he had another name on the back of that jersey ain't no way Y'all say that man deserves to get get it and the money that he's making deserves another opportunity or I forget deserve Because he feels he deserves because of his resume not based on what he's done

Everybody else must feel I get this opportunity I've earned the opportunity to play here O Ocho, to play another season, to get another game. He feels he's deserving based on what he's done, not what he's doing. Yeah. And you know, the funny thing, you know why he can say it? Because he knows he's going to get that opportunity. He knows he's going to get that chance based on what he's done. Any other position, tackles, guards,

deep as the ends, centers, detackles, cornerbacks, safeties, will never be extended that grace. There's always a special place. Oh no, hell no, hell no. There's always a special place for a quarterback, especially when it is done what Aaron Rodgers has done in the past. Even today, even as bad as it is, he will get that grace because of Rodgers has done in the past, even to date, even as bad as it is,

he will get that grace because of what he's done in the past. The only position that can get away with that block him. HMM. Uh, Jamar chase. Dad said he could still win the Superbowl with the Cincinnati Bengals. If our defense was a little bit better We would be in the Super Bowl talk. This offense is unstoppable. Yeah talk Talk come on talk Papa Chase. No, I'll tell oh Joe. Oh Joe. You can't go Joe

Oh Joe People believe where is this coming from? Be it true or imagine who they believe he's speaking for. You think you're speaking for Chase? It's not a rhetorical question. I asked you the question. You know what? That's, that's, you know what? That's a good one. But in this case, in this case, being that I know Papa Chase, right? He's at, he's at every game. He watches every game. He's,

he's been going to all the games and Chase has been a little kid based on what he can see from sitting in the stands and going to home and away games I think his I mean you see it I mean it's right there funny I mean he sees it every day but he's not saying nothing we're not saying I know I ain't said But let me ask you this. Let's just say for the sake. Let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh to me You you was dating rail Array, oh a now we can see you ain't getting the catch if you ain't getting to attempt the target that you normally get

All I'm saying is that my man, hey, they give him opportunities Y'all see what he can do. Y'all know my man do he been doing it for five or six years Do they believe even though we can see it do we believe that that's real talking or we believe that's real talking for Ocho? That that that that probably real talk Even though I agree with you that's probably his own synopsis based on his knowledge of football and what he sees right but that's not how the media and that's not how people that watch will take you're gonna take it right I understand what you're saying now the only thing about it is normally when it comes to family members family members family members that really don't know the game like that you know they just they go to it because normally when it comes to family members, family members that really

don't know the game like that, you know, they just, they go to it because, you know, it's a family, it's a family friend. But in this case, yeah, you know what I mean? I'm giving it the benefit of doubt because we have somebody that's really integrated into the sport that played the sport. Now he didn't make it to the highest level, but he is really into it like that. He submerged himself into it. Now that his son plays for the Bengals So in this case, I'm giving them the benefit of doubt. Maybe it might be something that chase might say

Before chasing and Papa Chase to say it for him. Yeah, I was I was very conscious of what I said Because but I always told my boss and mom anything that you say they're gonna feel that you got it from me or spanky I said my homeboy said bro, whatever y'all say they're gonna feel it came from me Right be my always keep that in mind You never know just because you know that person you don't know who that person knows So they take what you said and they go back. oh yeah, you know that's a sharp homeboy. That's his right hand man. The one bucket and Mark, yeah!

It's gotta be some truth to it. So you just have to be mindful of what you say because you never know, that's one person, but he might know three or four people. And then you get four or five degrees of separation and now all of a sudden You something that you said innocently All of a sudden grows legs You hey, I'm not telling you anything you don't know you've been in the game, you know how this thing works

Yeah, I definitely do but the crazy about it. I don't I don't have the stats in front I think Dan Olavsky ran him off to you when y'all was on ESPN the other day about the losses that the Bengals have had in scoring 24 points and scoring 28 points and scoring 34 points, 38 points, whatever it might be. And all these are losses because the defense is playing that bad. There used to be a time, they say if you score 17, you win the game. Yes. Yeah, you win the game. And so the fact that they've been able to be an off of the juggernaut

week in and week out and still lose games is like, come on now. But here's the thing where I push back on Dio. I understand he has minimal turnovers, but look at the games they lost and when he's turned the ball over and in the wrong time, you might have one turnover, but look at the games they lost and when he's turned the ball over. And in the wrong time. You might have one turnover, but guess what? They pulled it out and they tied the game up with your fumble. OK, you had a three point lead, but guess what? You threw an interception, they kick a field goal and now boom.

So you see people just keep looking at the number of turnovers. But look at when he turned the ball over. You and I have always, we concluded, oh, Joe, all turnovers aren't created equal. You turn the ball over in the first quarter. It's a big difference than when you turn it over in the fourth quarter, you up by three or you down three that turn of a way differently than in the first quarter when it's zero, zero or seven, three or seven, nothing. And so you go back and look at at look at when he turned the ball over

Against baltimore look at when he turned the ball over against kansas city look at when the game that he lost When they turned the ball over that has to and guess what fumbles or turnovers also people just say well He ain't through before interceptions, but what about the fumbles? How many times has he fumbled? Those are turnovers also because guess what? If your defense can't stop their offense, you definitely can't give their defense, you can't give the opposing defense points on your possessions. You already made it abundantly clear that you have to be damn near perfect. Even if you're not perfect, the one thing you can't do is to give the opposing

offense a short field or give them points on your possessions. Because now, you're like, well damn, we can't stop them. We just gave them seven points. If we don't score here, Ocho, when we come back on the field, the score's about to be 10-0 to 14-0. I guarantee you.

It puts you right behind eight ball. Now you really, now you really, really, really got depressed. I've been in situations where we couldn't turn, if we didn't turn the ball over, we weren't gonna lose. But it's hard to play Ocho because you're only gonna throw the ball on third down. They know you're gonna throw the ball on third down.

So we see an eight, nine man box on first and second. Now, how difficult you think it's going to be to try to get on third down when it's third and eight, third, nine, and they know you going through it. So you better make some hay on first and second down now and make those third down very, very manageable. You try to get, everybody wants to be third and manageable. Yeah.

We look at third and manageable, third one to three. Mm-hmm. Five is okay. You start getting third and seven, third and 10, third and 13, you ain't gonna be picking them up on the rig. Your playbook shrinks significantly. The greater the distance, the smaller the playbook gets. We only got like two or three plays for 30, 30, 30, long 30, 10 or more.

That's it. And most of the time you have to check them up for the down anyway. Oh, Joe, check this out. The NFL will find players fifteen thousand dollars if players post their drug test requests from the league on social media for a new memo sent to agents. Players across the league are extremely unhappy about this. Hey, but NFL is so funny about control. I'm, I'm one of the ones who used to do that as well. I used to do that.

I mean, you know, what's so funny about, about social media? It's the fact that people in the chat, if you can go on Twitter right now, so just, just do me a favor, please go on Twitter right now and see if you can find me complaining about getting drug tested after the game. It's still up there. You know, it's something that I did. It's something that some of the players do. And anytime you have a good game, a game that's out of the norm, they think is something wrong with you. What's the thing they do? They drug test you the next day. Hell, sometimes they might catch's something wrong with you. True. What's the they do? They've drug test you the next day. Hell, sometimes they might catch you right after the game.

Yeah. They might catch you right. I definitely didn't think it was random because I'm getting tested seven times a year and the point in the kicker getting tested one time a year. Now clearly you look at them clearly they, if they, whatever they take it is backfiring, it ain't working. Right. I'm like, how's it?

How's it random when I get selected? Damn, they're every week or every other week. And this guy gets tested once a year. I'm confused. They come see me in the off season. Is also based on position to is also based on position. Yeah, what are we testing kicker for anyway? Think about eating too many hamburgers and pizzas.

That's what's in his system. But I, but I, but I don't, but Ocho tell me this. What do you, what do you, what do you get by posting that? Are you trying to elicit sympathy from the fans? Like I said, I was frustrated, Ocho, because I got tested. I got tested a bunch. And even in the off season, because in the off season,

when I was living in Savannah, the guy would come to the airport, Ocho. I would meet the guy at the airport. He would get off the plane. We'd go to the airport. Oh Joe. I would meet the guy at the airport. He would get off the plane He would go he would we'd go into the bathroom after yeah at that point time Oh Joe, they have to keep the bathroom open so you would have to turn to the side so he can see it And make sure you're doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah because guys have started getting the whizinator They were getting somebody else urine in bag and strapping it to their legs

You know do darker than me and he got pink meat hanging down there. You know what I'm saying? Come on, bro. So I said, come on, dude. That's the dude from Minnesota, Ocho. He done got the whiz-a-nator. That's how they found out about it. Hey, you know what's funny? Hey, chat, this is so funny, too. In the off season, it doesn't matter where you are in the world. Oh, that's good. Yeah, absolutely.

If you got to get a drug test, they're coming. Wherever you at. You could be in Europe, you could be in Italy, you could be in Spain, you could be in London. They're coming. You could be in anywhere. It doesn't matter. Wherever you are in the world, once you have that drug test, even in the off season, you will get that test taken within 24 hours.

Guaranteed. You used to tell them, oh Joe, I'm going to be in St. Thomas or I'm going to be out of town on vacation. Okay, we'll get you when you get back. Oh no, where are you going to be? They're going to, hey, they will ask you where are you going to be?

We'll have somebody there. We'll have somebody there to meet you within an hour. to be what we'll have somebody there. We'll have somebody there to meet you within the hour. They will, they will show up. They absolutely will. Oh Joe. And that was, I'm like, cause at first, oh Joe, they used to let you go in the bath because what they would do, they would be in the training room.

They would give you the cup. They let you go to the bathroom and come back. Okay. And then they were like, okay, they will follow you to the bathroom, but they would let they would let still let you close the door. But what guys were doing, they would already have somebody else. You're in store. Yeah. Or into the club, pretend like, you know, and so forth.

So so then there's like, no, no, no, y'all didn't do it right. Y'all think y'all slick. So now drop your pants. You got to put your pants to your ankles. You got to turn to the side. I mean, come on, bro. Yeah. Another man watching another grown man pee in a cup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, and wherever you get your podcast. ["I Am Rapaport Stereo"] But that's the way it is now, Ocho. And they say this is, this is, they say that I read the memo, they said, it's always been a rule, but there was no, I guess, no fine or no term, no punishment behind it. So now they're attached 15,000. They weren't enforcing it. But I think, I think the NFL is now fed up.

And just players want to let people know how ridiculous it is that they're being fine. I mean, fine, fine. That they're being drug tested. And it's normally after an exquisite performance. Every time. Every time. I was like, man, hey.

I mean, I was, you know, just because, okay, I had 90. Okay, I had 130. What y'all felt, what, I mean, I want, you know, just the car. Okay. I had 90. Okay. I had one 30. What y'all felt? What I mean, I'm trying to figure out what happened in that week. Right. Well, what y'all, why y'all didn't trust me when I, when I had foe catches for 22 yards, y'all need to drug test the coaches and ask them why they call them bulljive plays.

That's what y'all need to test. after why they call them bulljive play. That's what y'all need to test. Ocho, the Ravens suspended Deontay Johnson for one game in 2024 has not been kind to Deontay from being traded off two NFL teams and becoming practically non-existent in the Ravens dynamic offense and now being suspended one game

after refusing to go into Baltimore week 13. I see Ocho. I tried to tell you when he was in Pittsburgh. They talk. I said they're gonna tolerate you until they bet. He took that same attitude. You know, they will listen to me. Oh, how you know? Cause I know. Cause I've been in a locker room and I was in the back door. I was a leading voice and I've seen guys just like Deontay Johnson and he took that same behavior. If y'all think this man has changed, y'all think he just got like this when he got the Baltimore Hump. Y'all think that, chat, y'all really think that's who Deontay, it was because that? No. But y'all don't want to listen to me.

Oh, I don't think he know everything. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything except technology. But when it comes to human behavior, I know a lot about that. I told you. Yeah. Y'all will listen to me now. So I a chat when I was saying this behavior in Pittsburgh. Where are you all at now? Why we can't find out? Why we can't find anybody, Ocho, why we can't find anybody?

They go against us, but when we right, don't nobody jump in the chat and say, Ocho, I was one of the ones that said, Ocho, you was wrong, but you was right. Why we can't get that, Ocho? Yeah, you right. Listen, I do, I do. Listen, I'm not saying what he did was right. I do understand his frustrations. Obviously getting traded to Baltimore and wanting to be an intricate part of the offense

and really not getting those opportunities. He's had catches. I think he slipped on a few. He's dropped a few, but he's also caught some balls, but not to the point where he thought he would. I mean, obviously you're one, you're going to a run of team. They run in the ball first anyway. So your opportunities are going to come few and very, and few and how you say it? What's the

word? Few and far between. Yeah, few and far between, especially in that offense, especially when they already have Zay Flowers and in Bateman and Aguilar, you gonna have to get in where you fit in. And when you do get the opportunities, you gonna have to make the most of it. You gotta catch it. Yeah, that too. You got to catch him. You got to make the most of Ocho. I don't look. I was a pretty good player and I wanted to catch the football because I worked my ass off during the course of the week.

I thought I had done all the right things from studying to preparing to practicing hard to do it. All the right things. Oh, I really wanted to catch the ball. Yeah, sometimes they didn't throw me the ball Guess what I did Oh guess what I did on Monday, Oh Joe, did you take my blackheads upstairs and pick up that chick? I Got paid by the game not by the catch Right. So now if y'all want to pay me this about the money to catch no balls, I'm gonna go right angle say a word

Right. Y'all want to pay if I call 13 passes. I made the same amount of money as if I called to Now it's gonna look foolish on y'all, but I'm not I'm not fit I'm not fit to get lose my mind, but y'all not throwing the ball cuz I know what I can do Y'all know what I can do. Yeah But did not go in a game. Yeah. Oh hell no. Oh Joe.

That's that's that's hella fast. Hella frustration built up. What you did? Hey, you didn't be Jerry Rice. Hmm. I remember. I think, oh, well, who was it? Well, it Bill Callahan.? Will it be a Callahan?

It might have been Bill Callahan. Well, that broke Jerry Rice consecutive game street of catching the pass. Jerry had like to something over 200 catches and he didn't throw him a pass. And oh, yeah, he snapped it. He broke it. Go back and look at it. I figured it gets to see all. And then at the point in time, they were up,

so, you know, they're not going to throw the ball right. Jerry was frustrated. Jerry came out the next week and. Went crazy. I don't know if he went crazy, but he took his ass in the game. And that's Jerry at the time, at the time that happened. Jen was the greatest receiver had ever played. And if he's going to take it, man, how you in good conscience to tell the coach,

you ain't going in the game or Joe. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I've never been in a position like that where I had to be in a position like that on Joe. I'm a football player, that's my job, is to take my black ass in the game. Yeah, yeah. Ocho, I never wanted to have that kind of power

that I feel. Look, I've been very fortunate that, you know, played on some teams, and they kinda gave me some leeway, but it tell you a lot about a person that has power and doesn't abuse it. Tells you a lot about a person that has power and doesn't abuse it. Tells you a lot about a person now. Yeah. Everybody can't use that kind of power for good.

Sometimes people will use it for bad and take advantage of it. Right. You know, being in Baltimore, you know, I remember we went to Baltimore and, you know, we didn't have a whole lot of rules, don't you? Just be on time, things like that. Sometimes it drove me crazy that Coach Belichick would let guys skirt on the time, but hey, it is what it is.

We go to the Super Bowl. Now we don't have bedchamber. Right. He gave us one rule. Coach Belichick gave us one rule. Coach Belichick gave us one rule. He says, I want everybody to ride the bus from the hotel to the practice field. Right. Once practice is over, I want everybody to get on the bus and ride back to the hotel. After that, you can do whatever you want to do.

Okay. Right. Rookie. He from Florida. His mom and dad down. He gonna ride back to the, he talking about he gonna ride back to the hotel with his parents. I don't know FUA. What? I said, oh no FUA.

I said, you think you finna F it up? For everybody? I said the man gave us one, we don't have bed check. We don't have, we don't have nothing I think the man gave us one. We don't have bad check. We don't have we don't have nothing. And the man said, I got one room from the hotel to the practice field, practice field, back to the hotel and you talk about. Boy. That's really the only time I ever really got bad.

Right. Oh, it's the got mad. Right. Oh, just a Super Bowl. Yeah. Do you? I don't think he really understood the significance of it. Maybe he was just looking at it like another game. But they chronicle this one. This was here for perpetuity.

They got I don't know how many games they played. Probably fifteen thousand seventeen thousand eight hundred. They've only played at that point in time. Thirty five Super Bowls. I don't know how many games they played probably 15,000, 17,800. They've only played at that point in time, 35 Superbowls. And now you think I'm going to let you potentially hang a L. Man, you'll get your ass on this bus. I'm going to be I'm going to have to fight you and your parents, but you can you get your ass on that bus. Yeah, please don't mess it up. Yes.

I'm very glad you can't you can't do that. That's that. Just think if your coach, Ocho, you in Cincinnati and Marvin say, oh, yo, y'all just got one rule. He said, hey, Ocho, you can wear whatever you want to wear. You can wear one pair. You can wear shorts. You can wear this.

You can wear that. He said, Ocho, all I want you to do is that I want you to write it from the practice field. I want you to take, I want you to get, get on these golf carts and go down to the practice field and then get on the golf carts and go back to the facility. That's all the rule I got for you. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Simple as that. Oh Joe, Justin Jefferson said he hasn't spoken to Kirk Cousins since he left in free agency. Oh Joe, did you talk to former teammates if they left in free agency? You know, not really, not not not really. I really didn't. I remember TJ left and went to Seattle, if I'm not mistaken, and the Raiders.

Carson left and went to Arizona and went to the Raiders. No, no, we didn't talk much. But what we did do is we did keep in communication in the off season, like in season, you know, when players left, we exchanged pleasantries before they left. And, you know, that was it. That was pretty much it. So especially in season, you know, we didn't talk much. Hell, the funny thing about it, we didn't talk much when they left then.

But now we talk more and we played it so goddamn long. Which is weird. Everybody's always on their own program. And you hate to see him go. That's one thing about it. You hate to see him go, especially, you know, the combination and the duo that TJ and I were during that time. And to see Carson go was also sad. But, you know, we combination and the duo that TJ and I were doing that time. And to see Carson go was also sad, but you know, we, we didn't,

we didn't communicate after that, man. Once they were gone, they were gone. They, you know, we understood the business aspect of things and the way things work. You know, if, if I see you in passing and off season, you know, it's all love. I did. Uh, when I left Baltimore, went back to Denver, uh, me and Ray, we still talk once, twice a week.

Um, when I went, when I left Denver, uh, and went to Baltimore, uh, me and burns, but it burns ended up leaving and going to Tampa where he left in Tampa in 99 and so I was there by myself. That was, that was the worst year of my entire life in 14 years. That was the worst year I ever had. Right. Um, well, he and I, we still talk. We're normal. We talked every day, but those were really the only two guys that I

really talked to during the season. Um, but like you said, once the season was over, you know, a lot of the guys fats and a couple of other guys, Duke Jackson, House, we still communicated. And we, you know, we close today. But yeah, I can see Justin. I mean, I don't think that's unusual. Now, I didn't have a quarterback. I didn't have a quarterback leaving for agency.

But no, hell, I wasn't gonna talk to the quarterback. Hell, John and I didn't talk at all. See, so I know damn well if I had gone to another team or he had gone to another team, we're going to be talking during the season. Now we didn't talk at all season and we're on the same damn team. So I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that's strange at all. Little Joe, you. No, absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Because I didn't, I mean, I lived it. I lived it. The Volume. the rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states, and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers. So that's why we created The Big Take from Bloomberg Podcasts to give you the context

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