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wait a minute I told you that was a problem I mean I explained that the problem is you play for the Bengals that's the problem the only problem we have here you play for the Bengals

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So we didn't have these issues And when we scored 30 You all the middle of the pack offense too No no no no don't do that That 2005 That 2005 season We was ranked number two Number three in the NFL

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As a team You all had maybe three good years That was it. Huh? Huh? That's it? Yeah, that's it. That's it.

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and my clothing company, 84, with 84 being spelled out. That link is pinned into the chat. The game that you just witnessed, the Seahawks beat the brakes off the commanders by the score of 38 to 14. Sam Darnel was damn near flawless, 21 of 24, 330 yards, four touchdowns, one interceptions. He was not sacked.

Ah, man, that Jackson Smith and Jigba, it won't be long. It won't be long before we're talking about. Hey, if you say Chase and Jetta are one A and one B, right. He damned him. He won't see. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. With the way he's performing this season on, he's definitely in that conversation.

And can I tell you something? I just want to throw a little tear bit out there. You notice all the players, all the players that came on down to the wide receiver workshop, you know, in July. You notice they having one hell of a season. They got damn JSC cut up the day. He ate for 129. Six consecutive games with 100 yards receiving. I think he might be the next receiver to go get 300.

He can get 300 in the game. If this game would have been close. Yeah. Oh, he's going to get, he'd had two in this game. Oh, absolutely. If the game's close. Absolutely. The Seahawks moved to six and two, Washington Falls to three and six.

Mm-hmm. And we're going to get into the ball game, but I got one question that I want to ask DQ Dan Quinn. Why in the hell was, with. Jane Daniels in the game. You're down 38 to 7. Right. This is why you remove your start, especially, you can't remove all of them. Right.

Some of your offensive linemen and some of the guys are going to have to play. They got to stay. But you get Jane Daniels out of there. He's been Nick all year. Why was he in the game? So you actually think you're going to score 31 points now in eight and a half minutes? Absolutely not. That was not a hip drop tackle.

He was getting spun down and he tried to brace himself. And that's normally what happened. You see a lot of that happened when a guy, if you go back and remember the Heat Celtics game, Rondo tried to brace himself and he dislocated his elbow. That happened a lot. Just because someone gets injured, that doesn't mean the play was illegal. Right. That was not a hip-drop tackle.

But I just got one question. I just need to know why in the hell was he in the game down 31 with eight minutes to go in the ball game. That's all I need to know. Yeah. But the Seahawks look damn down. good. That's going to be a very tough division. The Rams look good. The Rams look good down there every week. The 49ers look good today on the road with a Matt Jones filling in again for Brock Purdy. Yeah. And Seattle with the way that defense got out field and Sam Donald is dealing

right now, man, that's the Cardinals notwithstanding. But as a division, I'm like, man, they look good. That division is tough. Whoever comes out of that division, right, they will be battle tested. and you don't want to play them in the playoffs but go ahead and watching this game we're talking about Washington after we talk about Seattle what did you like about what you saw from the Seahawks and listen the Seahawks look good huh

they look good they've done everything they can and there's a reason they pay Sam Donald the way they paid him I didn't know honestly I didn't know I was I was kind of skeptical I know what Sam Donald did when it was Minnesota last year but also what he had the weapons he had with Addison you know

goddamn Justin Jefferson where it was easy you put anybody anybody back there and they would look like that but that goddamn Jason uncle he surprised me this year

he surprised me this year Sam Dahlin's goddamn dealing and again I've said it time and time again I'm like I'm curious I'm thinking to myself I'm scratching my head I'm like well god damn

what the hell is going on Seattle they unloaded off everybody they let Gino Smith go they let Tyler Locker go they let D.K. Metcalfe go A player of his caliber, a player of his talent that I see as a number one top 10 in the NFL at that. Well, okay, but then I'm confused. Well, who did they got to lean on?

Who did they have to lean on? And Lord have mercy, J.S.N. been cutting up since week one. I'm talking about cutting up since week one. If we were to talk about the top five receivers in the NFL today, Jayson's name. Jensen's name is probably the first one you mentioned. The first one you mentioned. He's playing unbelievable. crazy work man he's so quick i mean he's sudden yes i mean you see him catch that you cast

out uh uh he called what we call a basic cross man you see him explode out of that i mean he's about to get up out of that oh yeah absolutely oh and the one uh sam darner hit the type oh would he shook him at the line and hat i was like oh my goodness oh yeah he's nice with it and the funny thing about and the funny thing about jsn he's not the fastest in the world he's not he's not a tyreek fast He's not like a Jamar Chase Get the ball in his hands And he got that breakaway speed But he can he is so good

He more quick than fast He's more quick than fast And he's so good at the line of scrimmage And being able to manipulate You know the route running And give the illusion He's doing one thing As opposed to the other

And he knows how to set everything up He understands leverage He understands coverage And anytime they got one on one Anytime they got one on you You get your late You get your silly ass up there You play bump and run

You're gonna lose every time and he showed it. That's why Sam Donald trusts him so much. Anytime they got one-on-one, he checks up out of that. He's going straight to J.S.N. Every time. Oh, yeah.

J.S.N. is real deal. Now, they didn't run the ball as well as they were to like tonight, but they got everything they wanted in the passing game. Sam Donald was not under the rest. They couldn't pressure him. So they got everything that they wanted. You saw Horton, his first two catches were for touchdowns. You saw JSCN.

He got a touchdown. I'm just trying to figure. Guys, are y'all going to tackle anybody? What's up? What's up with all this shoulder thumping? Yeah. Man, put somebody on the damn ground. Yeah.

Everybody trying to get a big hit. And what ends up happening is that when you hit him, you care, you make him go off somebody else happening your game. Yeah. Oh, oh, all you guys have to do. The tight in the middle of the field? Yes. Just tackle him.

Hold on. You know what? Then this is the problem. Let me tell you why everybody's scared to hit. Let me tell you why. Because the goddamn rules, The rules have handicapped the defense of players. They scared to actually play football like we used to play.

They scared to hit people. Everything, everything is a flag. You can't hit him. You can't hit that. Oh, this is target. I mean, like it's-wrapping him up, Ocho. I feel you, I understand you. But sometimes we don't wrap up.

If you hit him hard enough without wrapping up, you know what they do? Most of the time, either they cough the ball up or they hit the goddamn ground. Greatness doesn't just show up. It's built. One shot. One choice. one moment at a time. From NBA champion, Stefan Curry, comes Shot Ready,

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There's nothing to worry about. You got receivers across the middle, arms on the hip, one hand in the air, because you can't hit him. There's nothing to think about. When we played, you have to think about what's to come once you catch the ball in the middle.

You already brace the board. You ready for it. Now? Oh, man. I mean, think about how many times you've seen Bijan Robinson catching one hand pass. Drake London had about three of them today

in the Patriots game. Why? Because there are no consequences of repercussions. At all. When there were consequences and repercussions, see, that's the only way you can learn.

The only way you can learn a lesson is there has to be consequences from your action. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because without consequences, there are no lesson to be learned. Right. That being said, Washington, three and six, they got up to a shaky start. Very. Jayton Daniels, 16 to 22, 153, no touchdowns, one of the exceptions.

They had 36 rush attempts, 157 yards. But you can't, you can't spot a team, you can't spot a team 28 points. 21? 28, 21. I don't know if you see, you don't play Madden. You don't play Madden. Once you just go 21, 21 points, the game. game is over the game is over even in the NFL we have a good defense like the

Seattle Seahawks that game was over once they went up 21 zip it was a wrap I knew at some point they were gonna take their foot off the gas because it happens all the time coaches have some kind of goddamn pack where you're not gonna run the goddamn score up hell you had 28 what it was 20 at the half right if I'm not mistaken right yeah 20 at the half and they ended the game with 38 yeah man listen they they came off the pedal they started running the ball a little more and I I mean, they could have put a 50 ball on if they wanted to. Mr. McDonnell could have put a 50 ball on them if you wanted to.

What happens is, is that you get ahead and the points come so easy. Yeah. I mean, they fumble the ball in the next play. You're in the end zone. Yeah. And then, you know, you get a pick and the next thing, you know, the guy goes 60 yards for a touchdown. So it's so easy.

Right. And it's like, well, damn. And then they just, and Washington really could, they were shooting themselves in the foot, illegal formation, or procedure they were just doing a lot of silly dumb stuff and it and when a team is rolling like Sam Donald and the Eagles off and excuse me and the Seahawks offense was rolling the last thing that you want to do as the opposing offense is put your defense right back on the field also I mean they scored touchdown they kick off they pull it out your defense right back

on the field now mind you your defense just gave it up just gave it up and you don't want them right back out there right turn the ball over on special teams you turned them all over on offense but I look this game was I this game was a blowout from the jump the only thing now I just got to ask DQ and I'm sure that the reporters are asking him Dan why was Jane Daniels in the game at that point in the game right the game for all intents and purposes was over I know I look don't give me that it's not over to the whistle blows until you saw what Tom Brady the score was 28 to 3 at the half the score was not 38 to seven with eight minutes to go right

right jaden daniel should not have been in that game there is nothing to be game what you try to do get him some cheap stats no hey mariotta you're up that's what should have happened right the guy he hello he missed a couple of weeks didn't he miss last hold on didn't he miss last week's game jaden he missed last week's game he just got back yeah hey uh what what what's what what what you think happened to him it looked like he dislocated his elbow shit because he's oh cho he's going down and he's trying to brace himself so all that weight and plus being slung down and you see i dislocated mine yeah and and it had been like this it bent back up the other it's it's it's really really painful it's really painful um i do

believe he'll come back he can come back and play this week it's normally a two to four week injury I was four had to play with a brace it's his non throwing so he should be fine the question is how much pain can he endure and can it protect himself right and also also when you're getting tackled like that I know when the hip tackle I mean players have to learn to be able to fall learn how to fall with the pressure you go with it you don't fight against it you know there's no need to brace in that instance just let your body go limp just let your body go and just be free When you, when you, when you're in a relaxed state and you're not tensed up, you will be fine. It's, it's, there's somewhat of an art to it.

It's somewhat of an art to it. It's hard for me to explain. But as someone who played very recklessly, despite, despite my small frame and small stature, I never got hurt. I understood how to fall and how to flow with tackles, understanding, you know, the size difference and goddamn physics, you know, for that matter. And I, I was like Gumby. I got hit I got thrown around I lost every battle you know I you know trying to challenge people but I just I never got injured because I understood how to fall and how to protect myself I think is he didn't want to get thrown on his shoulder because you got to realize they ain't got

no shoulder strength they don't really do nothing upper body up about because they want fluidity yeah they're throwing motion yeah so they can't be tight up here so they're you look at quarterbacks quarterback got narrow shoulders that's why they good at golf yeah because they don't have tight we I have to work most people work out their shoulder because they want some up up there but that's not what a quarterback does a quarterback's won't he won't fluidity mm-hmm yeah you so you can't be all can't all be all tight up here that's why a quarterback oh he no no no no I won't give me give me somebody got to look that shaped like a

pair that's what I won't I don't I don't want I don't want I don't want no shape like a what shape like a what a pair look at quarter look at quarterback and pictures now you see who golf when they go to celebrity golf tournament right you see who win pitchers and quarterback right a guy like a step curry basketball players they don't really be lifting all this stuff up here right cause they won't fluidity but most i'm shocked that they left jaden daniels in the game down 31 points with eight minutes to go what do you hope the game well you know he missed last week no no no no no no no no yeah hold on bro you got to get him some reps in practice

because you've got to realize you can't control a game. Right. They still try to tear his damn head off. Head off, yeah. In a game, in a practice, you can control it. They get close, you blow the whistle. He got a red jersey or a black jersey on, meaning he's off limits to be touched.

Right. But in actual game, they're still going full speed, don't you? And most coaches, most coaches in that situation would have removed Jay and Daniels from the game. He should have been removed from the game. there was nothing there was absolutely nothing to gain except what you got nothing to gain to be gained an injury that's what could be gained and that's what you got mm-hmm dang but uh

seattle look good man that's gonna be a seattle with seattle in the rams them quarterback the way their quarterback hey they get puca back now puka got ding too he got he got he got slam on his shoulder yeah you see he left i don't know if he came back in but he and uh davante was dealing Devante had, I think, another two touchdown game today. See, that's back to back. They got guys that can play, hey, Matthew Stafford's playing as good, if not better than what he played in that Super Bowl year.

Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up. Yeah. Hey, hey, um, take your time now. I know, I know you're feeling good. I know you feeling good. I feel Tony the Tiger. Great. Now, where were we?

Now, I mean, I know y'all going to put that on the defense. Greatness doesn't just show up. It's built. One shot, one choice, one moment at a time. From NBA champion, Stefan Curry, comes shot ready, a powerful never-before-seen look at the mindset that changed the game. I fell in love with the grind. You have to find joy in the work you do

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Did y'all have any turnovers? Okay, yeah. How many turnovers did you have? Uh, two. Oh, it was three. Okay, okay. So let me ask you a question. Okay, we had three.

Did those turnovers help or hinder your ability to win this game? Did they help or hinder? It, it hindered. It hindered. So, so let's just say for the sake of argument. with me instead of having three turnovers you have one and you score a field goal or you score a touchdown could this have been different yeah we don't want the game but you know it's a game of football long there were three turnovers we still put ourselves in position to

win the game we were in position to win the game and you know what happened you know what happened our defense let us down again our defense let us down again even even with those turnovers we were in position to win the game on the bangles of the first team since 1960 to score 38 points and back-to-back games and lose. Goddamn Joe Flacco, 170 years old and threw for 470 yards, and we still lost

the game. Defense, again, which has always been our Achilles heel, over and over and over again, time and time and time again. Year after year after year, I understand that the offense is our identity. It's always been our identity.

that when I was playing we have always been an offensive team or offensive unit but at some point you got to you got to you got to play you got to want you got to want to all your money is tied up on offense it doesn't matter where you have to win the game hello hello hello I let me ask you question we stole 38 what how many let me ask your question how many 20 million dollars defensive players do you guys have one you got three 30 million dollars you got two 30 million dollars that play the same position just opposite to each other and you got a 50 million dollar quarterback so where is all your money tied up on offense I mean that oh you hold on wait a minute that's how I didn't it though I mean every

team is like that there's no team that that's that's damn they're even like that look at the cleveland the brown where's all their money tied up on the defense in yes Cincinnati so guess what you're going to have to do so guess where you have to win the game that offense we're scoring 38 this the NFL we scored 38 you got to score 48

huh you scored 42 with three turnovers if you don't turn the ball over how many you score ocho shoot about a 50 ball and some chain exactly 50 ball wins you the ball game but listen check check is that right

listen to it hey chat y'all stop laughing too I know y'all probably laughing too I'm there ain't no laughing matter because I'm pissed off today hey listen we kicked off we had a kick off return for a TD. We had a block field goal, on-site kick and recovery. We had 500 yards of offense, two wide receivers, 100 plus yards, 15 points. We scored 15 points in less than a goddamn minute. 42 total points scored. If you were the, if you were the, if you were the

readoff, what I just said to somebody who didn't watch the bank of game, the first thing was like, oh, well, goddamn, all that, I know y'all won, 42 points and we still lost. Yes. Despite the turnovers. Despite the turnover, but this is the game of football. You want to minimize the errors as much as possible. That's why we practice. We practice to minimize the errors as much as possible. But they happen, huh?

They happen. It's football. As much as you practice, you want to be as perfect as possible, but shit happens. And it happened today. Matter of fact, three of them happen. It shouldn't have been that close anyway, because, oh boy, Edmond's picked that ball off.

Y'all got it, touch that man down. That should have been a touchdown to the house. How tall Hey that's Hey honestly I'm numb to it I'm numb to it I'm numb to it

Hey I'm so numb to it I'm numb to it like Like like like Like you know how You go through something so much in life And it happened to you so much often It's like you know what at this point I don't even care no more

Like I don't even care no more Like I care I care to an extent But I mean This is back to the back back. The Jets? Um, the Jets last week? And then on top of that, and then on top of that, the bears, like, come on, man. And listen, the bears ain't no joke because, hey, um, hey, um, Hey, um, against the Jets last week. Yes. Let me talk to me real quick. Before the season started, who are the two teams I said everybody needs to watch out for this year?

Bears and the Panthers. Okay. So again, I'm not talking trash about the bears because I already said, I knew what they were going to look like. I knew what they were probably going to do with addition to Ben Johnson as the officer of the coordinator and head coach caught those plays with Caleb Williams and a talent that he has but come on man two weeks in a row scored over 38 points and lost both games and oh come on my deep my defense at listen they just said they just had a defense of meeting they just had a players only defense of meeting this past who did they was do the bangles they were they were talking about what costume they're talking about the outfits that they're going

to work to the game they didn't discuss no game player man man man listen man They're talking about the Halloween party. Man, what you're going there? Hey, when it comes to tackling, sometimes it's just about want to. It's about want to. It's about want to. It's about wanting to get the individual putting a hat on a pad.

You're wearing pads for a reason. Put your goddamn pads on somebody. Wrap up. If you ain't going to wrap up, make sure it's clean. Keep your eyes open. Before you make contact, everybody close your eyes. Do your best Mike Singletary job as possible. Open your eyes wide open.

Make the tackle. Ensure it. God damn. The bingoes scored two touchdowns in the span of 49 seconds to erase a 15-point lead. But the Bears pulled their fifth win of the season when Williams delivered a 58-yard touchdown to rookie tight-in Colston-Lublin with 17 seconds remaining. The Bengals are the first team in the Super Bowl era to allow 500 plus yards and 38 plus points and have zero take. takeaways in consecutive games. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Chase Brown had to say after this game.

We just got to play complimentary football. Like, we put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end, finish the game. Like, just end it. Like, that's it. Like, that's, like, that's what we need to do. Just end the game. Like, make them, make them get us the ball back.

Let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game. That's how, that's like, that's how I feel. If he said that, because let me tell you how, how we are. Go ahead. Go ahead. When you're frustrated. What you say publicly, yeah. It's not nearly as bad as what you say behind closed doors.

Oh, absolutely. Not as bad. It's not nearly as bad. Oh, no. When you're in the shower or when you walk in the locker room, you, hey, you saw Chase walking off the field in the tunnel saying one effing stop. But he said that I can't say too much because I don't want to. Yeah, yeah, don't do it.

Don't do it. Don't do it. But I, look. You're talking to a guy that can speak from experience. Yes, sir. Because I was on that 2000 Ravens team. Uh-huh. We went five weeks and didn't score a touchdown.

Let that sink in for a second, chat. We went five weeks. Five, one, two, three, four, five. We didn't score a touchdown. Yeah. And it could have splintered the team. But at the time, myself, Rod, and Ray. We did everything together.

And I told me, and I said, Ray, y'all have been outstanding. But the thing that I love about football, they don't take units to the Super Bowl. They take teams. So now what you can do is be supportive publicly. Yes. We're going to get our things fixed. We're not going to be the Minnesota Vikings of 1998. We're not going to score 35.

That's not what we are. But we can do a better job of. taking care of the football give y'all we a y'all will have to make 14 or 17 stick because we're not going to be putting up no 30s i'm just going to tell you right now so if you looking for a 30 something right that ish ain't happening so get your mind and says hey they're going to give us a 10 point lead and we might have to make 10 stick yeah but complaining and publicly stick stick together yeah stick together i know it's frustrated hell i'm frustrated because we're coming out the field and the fans booing but they don't know i'm booing too yeah man you're doing booing yeah i hear him

yeah i mean listen because we suck you know because we did yeah i mean honestly um with offensive players have to understand you got to be careful what you say especially you know as the officer player you got to be careful what you say because listen it's going to come games we still got a long we got a head we got a long season ago you're going to be games oh choe hey we got a long season to go and you don't want to be making mistakes and you have defensive defensive players calling out the offense as well so it is it can get it can get real petty doesn't it all we work out like that we guys complain about the ball yeah they throw it to him what happens oh cho they drop it you drop it yep i mean a thing a thing you get real petty in that locker room they

don't need the splinter i think uh chase brown and you know jama you got to be careful with some of the things you say be supportive of your defense even though you are losing some of the things you really want to say don't say it you know keep it in your head just be supportive as much as possible because things are going to turn around maybe not for the better but they're going to be games where the defense plays well and then the offense is shit it's going to be oh joe you remember when y'all went to the super bowl joe burrow got sacked nine times in tennessee yeah defense took the ball away look at what they did in kansas city took the ball away yeah look now the way you guys are set up you guys are set up you base it it's hard to play like that i told you this last

year i say i joe knows that if i leave anything on my plate they're going to eat it so i i've got oh jo i got to clean the plate yeah you got which means every possession he got a damn near score mm-hmm he got a damn near score yeah because his uh his defense they can't they don't take the ball away they don't generate pressure i mean i'm looking at this game i'm like Y'all is just, y'all just bad. I mean, they're just bad. Now, this nigga, I'm, oh, shoot, my bad. I'm tripping.

This dude, Flackle, was 31 for 47, four TDs, and 470 yards. 470 yards at 40-something years old. T. Higgins has 7 for 121 in the TD. I don't, I don't even know where Chase, two TD. I don't even know where Chase numbers was earlier. 6.4.11. 6.4.1. six four

man him brown had eight for 75 ISO had five for 66 Hudson had two for 42 Noah fan had two 28 on a tub and uh

Tinsley had one for 27 hey they got hey man that flacko is dealing boy like it's like I mean for us to play the way for us to play as well as we are offensively despite the woals despite the turnovers you want to do

everything you can to minimize those because you understand that our defense is not that good. We're not that good on any level, whether it be the back end, hell, the second level, hell, the front level for that matter. You know, no disrespect to them boys. But, I mean, it just is what it is. Offense has.

Go ahead. Finish it off. I'm not, I want to say, offense, they got, as well as they played today, you just can't turn the ball over. Because we can't make up for it. Knowing what you know, how poor your defense, see us. Yeah. What's the last thing that you want to do? Turn the ball over and let

the sorry ass back out there. Because the cut thing about Ocho, if they're driving the field, if they're driving 75, 80 yards, what's going to happen if you give them a short field? If you can't stop it from going to start, what makes you going to stop, what makes you think you can stop it from going 30? Yeah. You're not. You're not. I mean, they're running, man, they're ready. They're ready. Hey, it's the first time. How long I forgot how alone they said it's been a quarterback called two passes in a game that's what they're doing to y'all yeah they throw passes to the quarterback not one two I understand you know that that that's that Ben Johnson creativity that that's what I do for y'all because I know y'all can't stop nothing we

do well nothing who would he who would even subject their quarterback to possibly getting uh uh hello remember RG3 try to catch a pass against the Steelers RG3 laid him out on the sideline. When he got hit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you do. They said, no, they ran a street.

Oh, Cho, I get it on the gold line. You lose sight. I mean, they handed it to the guy, and he tossed it to DJ Moore. Yeah. They ran a screen with the quarterback. Hold on. You understand the point of that play. Is it confused the defense?

You get him going one way, and you get him going another way, and the quarterback always sneaks out the back in because eyes, eye discipline eye discipline you put your eyes in the wrong place all of a sudden you lose the man you're supposed to have most of the time when you see reverse and it go one way and then the ball coming back the other you lose the quarterback

you lose the quarterback in where he is that's why he was wide open like that that's why it's called a trick play I think it might have worked on any team especially down there at that time let me ask you a question somebody's already responsible for the quarterback when you run the bootleg is the defensive end

or if somebody has the quarterback Oh, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got crashed down on the goddamn, oh, sweet, the toss. That in his responsibility. You see what, you see what happened? If you try, if, look here, if I do my job and something goes awry, I did my job. Right. Because the last thing I want to do is do somebody else's job and then all of a sudden my job

go attended, unattended, who they're going to blame, Mocho? Exactly. Yep. that's not your responsibility. Damn. Do your responsibility. Ocho, today y'all gave up, y'all, y'all gave up damn to 300 yards rushing

and 300 yards passing. Hey, that wasn't necessary. We know that part. You didn't have to bring that up. We know that. 37 for 283? Did y'all pinch them? Did y'all trip somebody?

I know, I know. I'm upset, too. Stop all that running in the hall. They got haul. They only didn't get no haul. pass you didn't have a hall pass you know you have to get a pass to be in the hall y'all they in y'all house and then you got no hall pass you're right just running y'all ain't tripping y'all ain't pinch him y'all ain't do nothing we're gonna be all right though we're gonna be

right now hey no you not you know i kept i told you this i say by the time joe burrow is healthy enough to come back y'all might as well leave it yeah you might as well leave him where he is hey you know we're on the bad week huh y'all probably give up 40 on that one I bet you'll give up 40 points in the bat Hey Hey that hurt boy Hey on watching that game today Where that hurt

To be able to be able to come back like that The score the amount of points we did The score the amount of points we did In the short time span Down 14 Come back Oh you know what We got this one sealed up

And here we go Three people Three people Surrounding the rookie side And nobody brings them down Cause everybody tried to go for the big head. Get him on the ground. Hey, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Hey, but that's, that's, that's, I, I don't even know what to say. I mean, Tyler, uh, Bessette. He completed the past. DJ Moore.

Completed the past. I mean, even cold combat tried to throw one. I mean, how many people that, I mean, think about that, chap, for just a second. They allow four people to attempt the pass in an NFL game, not Pop Warner, not college, not high, not intramural in college, in an NFL game. Yeah. With the NFL logo, they allow tidings and receivers to throw a pass against the Bengals. It's embarrassing, Ocho

Well, listen, it's embarrassing It is It is It is that there's not much I can do it I've done all I can to try to defend You can't do nothing I know I haven't done all I can to try to defend it

I can't even defend it at this point I'm like it's trash It's trash What we're displaying What we're putting out there It's the players aren't playing well And it makes Zach Tater look bad It makes it even the coaches look bad

Because there's no way in hell well did you practice all week well did you do anything defensively offensively they show up every goddamn week I mean C.J. Gardner Johnson get off his couch and come get a sack the man he got he came in and just

off the couch sack damn yeah it's I'm numb to it at this point man last year don't be numb hey listen

last year round this time last around this time two back-to-back losses like this I would have been on the show in tears man I can't even cry no more I'm all I'm all be hey listen I'm all I'm all cried out I can't I can't I can't cry I can't even cry no more I can't even get that Lisa Lisa and cold jam all cried out yeah I am what you know about that uh what you ain't cried hey what you know by Lisa Lisa Lisa and cold jam but you know about that that's my era yeah what I do that that's that that's that that's that jam now I'll be Ocho the fact of the matter is, and I know, look, defensively, you had the situation,

but you know your defense is porous, you can't turn the ball over. You still turn the ball over three times. How many points did they score on those turnovers? eight or 15 or third down there was two or two on fourth down they had six they had five hundred and seventy six total yards yeah 11 drives y'all had three turnovers two interceptions y'all have a special teams touchdown how many three points are so your defense did do something they only held them to three points off for the turnovers.

Yeah. I mean, A. Oh, yeah, yeah, that we don't count that pick, that pick.

So they had two turnovers. So we ain't going to, we ain't going to, we ain't going to even count that last interception. Okay. All right.

Appreciate that. So we had to. But still, you don't, you don't want them. You can't. You can't. Oh, Cho.

Hey, who, huh? In the red zone, they were four or six. You were two for four. Two for four, yeah. Damn kick and field

goes in the red zone get your ass kicked scoring touchdowns in the red zone you kick somebody else's ass yeah damn don't cuss call Gus

I feel I feel good I feel good I know you do I know you do I know you feel good and listen there's not much I can do I knew that I shouldn't. Yeah, they're not.

So good. So good. I got you. Yeah. Hey, it is what it is at this point, man. This is the Broncos world, and it wouldn't be nothing. If the Biggles didn't suck. It's all good.

What do you mean? It's all good, Ocho. Our offense is better than y'all's. Ocho. Oh, Cho. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's what we're doing now? Yeah.

I'm just saying. What's your record? Oh, look. Our record is seven and two. What's your record? Shit, we three and six now. Huh? Three and six?

Wow. It's all good. It ain't looking good for y'all. I know. I know it's not. You know good. It's all good. It's all good.

We'll be ready next year. Yeah. I told you. I'm going, I'm prepared. for next year. I told you, I say the big, I say y'all going to lose to the Jets

and y'all going to lose to the Bears. Yeah. Are you, I just wanted to tell me, hey, chat, do y'all know what happened to Brother Browning? You know Brother Browning?

Yeah. What happened to him? He right there on the bench. Hmm. Yeah, you see, you see Flacco Dilling each week, though. I don't, I don't care about that.

I don't care about the most stats. Hey, Yeah, y'all like my hat. This is a, I think, Hispanic Heritage Month for the NFL. I'll be giving this hat away. See, I signed it. 84-H-O-F, three-time Super Bowl champ. I don't know anybody want that.

Whoa, I guarantee you don't nobody want no Bengals merch. Yeah, if my name on it, they do. They don't want no Bingles merch. This is the thing. Hold on. Stay with me real quick. As bad as we plan, right? As bad as we plan, defensively, however it is, whatever it may be, like that, that A5, that A5, any memorabilia, hats, jerseys, is still a great representation of that organization, whether they win or whether they're losing.

You know what the number one selling thing is in Cincinnati right now? Ocho. Brown paper bags, because don't nobody want to know that they're a Bingo fan. They put bags over the head. That's the number one selling thing in Cincinnati. Wait, wait a minute. No, no, no, no. Not with, no, no.

It's not, not with the offense playing as well as it is. You're losing. Hey, chat, you hear? You see how he separate? You see the difference. I don't have, I don't have a choice, but it's separated. I ain't got no choice. So what did you do?

So let me ask your question. Y'all scored 42 points. Y'all was two or four in the red zone. So what happened on those other two possessions? And every time we come on here, we talk about the bangles. I say, what's the problem that we always have? What has always been our Achilles Hill. It's been our defense.

If we score 50, the other team score 55. If we score 60, the other team's going to get that 50, though. So let me ask you a question. When you're in the red zone, you score 50. If you scored two more, if you scored two touchdowns on that, now you got 60. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the other team gets paid too. Every time you get to the goddamn red. Oh, y'all, y'all get paid, you should have scored in the red zone.

I mean, you just, you'll go, kicking field. And remember Chicago, Mr. Fieldgo, bad. Bad. You didn't hear me, though. Every time you get to the red zone, you know it because it's that much more difficult to score once you get down there. Why would it be so difficult when y'all got high powered up in? Wait a minute. Y'all got chased.

Y'all got Higgins. Wait a minute. You got ICE. Y'all got Norfolk. Y'all got Chayette Brown. Y'all got Flacko wheeling and dealing. Why would it be so difficult to score? I'm going to tell you why.

I'm going to tell you, we wheel and deal in the open field. When you get down in the red zone, there's not that much room as though it's only so much you can do. It becomes that much more difficult to score in the red zone. You know that. once you go inside the 20 or it gets tough you understand that i don't want to hear nothing about no labor pains okay it's cool deliver me a healthy baby i'm gonna rub your head baby tell you everything's gonna be okay you're doing amazing i got i got this i got this range rober lined up for you you got a burking bag coming just bring me a healthy shannon that's all okay i don't want to hear

nothing about what you're talking about it's all good it's all listen i'm i'm like a chick in a relationship that checked out man i'm i'm mentally checked out you but you are already do I do that when you checked it I know you what you came for no good reasons yeah I'm I'm checked out hey it's still my team it's still my team and just like I just well just just what it's never just no my heart it's never just there's always a reason is it my heart get in your car and just sit there or do you get in your car to go to the gym or you get your car to go to the airport or you getting your car to go take your lady out to eat so it's never

just there's always a reason so what is the reason you giving up on your team. We, we, we, we, we playing bad on it. It's hurt me. It's hurt me. Yeah, you know, sometimes, sometimes you got to learn to let go. Sometimes you got to learn to disconnect, like Wi-Fi, like Bluetooth. You got to- No, no, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, let, let, let and go to the point where the, the losing, it doesn't affect you personally. See, because it was- Too late. It's in you. It, listen. I just want to know, is the Bengals, is it on you or is it in you? Because if it's on you, you can brush it off.

But if it's in you, it hurts. Yeah, yeah, it does. It hurts. It hurt. Like Shaide say it hurt like brand new shoes. Yeah. Yeah. You know how brand new shoes hurt?

Yeah. You couldn't wait to get somewhere you could take up, take your shoes. Take your feet up out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, once you become numb, huh? No, no. No.

No, no. No, no, no, no. I'm not, no. No. You ain't got no Xylacane. You ain't got no Marcan. You got no, no, none of that. And I need you to feel this.

I can't, I can't feel it no more, huh? Huh, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't feel now. Pinch myself, I can't even feel that. I can't feel pain right now. You love your bangles. I do, I do. See, love is the only thing that's worse than death because you are lied to feel that hurt.

Yeah. To feel that pain. Let me tell you something. That's suffering. Let me tell you something. You think about this. You can only put a person through so much before what you do. Don't bother them no more.

Huh? We didn't all been there before. I don't need to explain this in depth. We didn't been there before. You didn't did this. You then got away with it. You didn't apologize and you keep doing it over and over and over and over. And at one point, that individual, well, mentally they're not even there.

You know, so I'm at that point now. Well, goddamn, I'm getting the same results. Every week, I get hyped up. I'm hyped. Okay, one o'clock. We're playing so-and-so. And at the end of the day, it's the same result, I become numb, I become numb.

You know why? Hey, I can't, I ain't even got no tears today. I ain't even got no tears tonight. That's how you know what's something wrong with me. You got, you got 25 years invested. See, when you got that kind of time. Yeah. Even though you say you checked out, it's still hurt.

Because you're like, I've just spent 25 years of my life with this person and it's coming to an end. Mm-hmm. Well, you know what? If you know me... You, if I cut you right now, you bleed orange. I bleed orange and black. Oh, excuse me. Bless me. Bless me.

Yeah, excuse you, excuse you. Mm. I don't know what, hey, I don't know what he got, but I want him to keep it, chat. I ain't got done. I ain't got none. It's all good. But that being said, your bang. Oh, the bangles are going to do so much.

You get on here every year and pontificate. You bloviate about how your bangles. Yeah. And every year, yeah. Disappointment. See, and see what I'm saying? Disappointment. Expectations.

Expectations make a fool of us all. I learned that real well. But listen, there's something that if you know me real well, right, there's something that I'm really good at doing. You hear me? Stay with me real quick. I'm with you. If you know me, I can love like no other.

but on the other hand when it's time to disconnect but unplug that bit so fast and be gone but that's one thing about you I'm not so show I ain't so show you love the woman like you love them bangles I'm so I'm not show nah now I could be I'm just sitting over here hey listen I'm a thousand miles away

hey I never love I never love nothing like them bangles you hear me hey cause hey hold on you got to understand what them bangles did for me I know what they did Hold on from four years old. I had a dream, huh? I had a dream as an adolescent.

I wanted to be an NFL player. I wanted to make it to the top, to the pinnacle of my childhood dream. I didn't care about the money, but making the millions was pretty cool. That was pretty cool. Made me feel good about myself. You know, it gave me a little power, gave me a little control to be able to take care of those that sacrifice for me when I really couldn't do nothing for them. so that is where that love comes from I'm numb man

I'm numb don't be numb yeah yeah man it's like damn man I gave you some medicine so you can feel all that pain I don't want you to be numb I don't want you to be desensitized well let me tell you something let's talk about my goddamn Panthers let's do that

whoa no no whoa whoa you ain't never been to Carolina who let alone your panthers hold on wait a minute you got the guppies you got the guppies time out that's what we're not going to do because I was the only one

I've been standing I've been standing on the table I've been pounding on the drum I've been pounding on the drum about the Panthers before the season even started when everybody else was counting them out because they weren't that good last year and I said I said wait a minute I see how they drafted I see what they did in the offseason

I saw the vision I understood what they could do okay and again they proved they proved me right yet again I wait till we get to that but go ahead yeah but you also said oh we got team Mofo higgins back oh you know what that mean uh super bow oh the guppy oh tour cheetah waddle a chan who but we got we had we had injuries Tyree got hurt So I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. There are no other team in the NFL that's dealing with injuries. Just the guppies. No, I mean, obviously the quarterback hasn't been playing well.

He's been inconsistent, you know, week to week. So let me ask your question. Based on what you know, the last five years, dealing with the Dolphins, dealing with the Bengals, what do you know to happen? What do you know to be 100% for certain? quarterback play for the guffins have been inconsistent he gets hurt yeah the quarterback play in Cincinnati what happens in three of the six years that he's been in the NFL tell the

people at home what's happened don't you got he got hurt um you got hurt it's all good though huh see now you now you understand why it's so easy to disconnect when you can tag when you continues to get hurt over and over and over and the problem is Sometimes we don't know when to disconnect. That's the problem in life. Anything that continuously lets you down all the time, no matter how much you love it, you got to learn when to let go.

It's not good for you. And I've been able to do that. I'm able to compartmentalize, y'all? You hear me? I mean, I'm able to, God damn it. There was a tweet when out the locker room is showing it's cracks. The ones to laugh were declines, and catch you on Monday with Jordan Battle,

Shamar Stewart, T.J. Slayton, also declining with Chris Jenkins, Jr. and Miles Murphy. Got another, you got another, anything else up there? Wait, what did I say? What'd they say? The locker room is showing its cracks. The defense guys on the defensive side of football refused to talk or had, you know, a sly laugh. Catch on Monday.

Jordan Battle, Shamar Stewart, T.J. Slayton, Chris Jenkins, Jr., and Miles. Murphy. Oh, well, they didn't want to talk for a reason, obviously. I mean, I mean, that I wouldn't call it. They should have plenty. They shouldn't have plenty of options. They didn't do issue on defense. Yeah.

So what you're tired for? What you ain't want to talk about? Yeah. Listen, I rather them not say anything at all. I don't, I don't see that they're showing cracks with frustrated. Where they didn't play? Hey, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, what is there to say? Shoot the report. You gave up six, you gave up down to six hundred yards and 50 points. Hey, hey, the reporters watched the game. They saw the game. What is there to say? man I'm put no camera in my face after that shit oh but let me ask your question if you if you got six sacks and six turnovers you talk it yes or no oh yeah

I see how this thing works okay yeah no it's all good it's all good hmm front running no I know he ain't no I ain't no front runner but I just understand you put you you put that camera in some of the young bulls face right now they don't say the wrong thing let me ask your question they don't put that camera in front of Shamar Stewart's face and he got three sacks in a forced fumble he talking yes or no oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah during battle if he gets the pig slayton miles murphy if they do anything defensively they had a lot to talk about hold on who did they beat did they beat the stealers did you all beat the Steelers yeah we did stealers I just want to know what did anybody on the defense

talk when they beat the Steelers yes or no yeah I'm sure they did why they talking that was just one game. That puts you at two and what, that put you at two and three and whatever. Now you don't want to talk. I'm worried about it's all good. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah. I see. I see how y'all do it. And that's messed up, man.

The bills beat the Chief by the score 28, 21, the fourth time this season the Chiefs have lost a one score game. Remember last year they were winning a lot of these one score games. When pressure, Mahomes was 3 of 16 for just 61 yards and an interception. Overall, he completed

15 or 34 passes. This is the first time in his nine-year career that he was held under 50% passing, a streak of 142 games including the playoffs, which was an NFL record to start a career. They got after.

That's why you go get a Joey Bosa. They couldn't block him. No, at all. He caused havoc. He was disruptive all night. He forced him home. made him uncomfortable, get him off the spot, had him having to throw on the run,

use his legs a lot. And he, you know, spayed up. Juan Johnson, I already know. He going to get, he going to get, he'll get, he'll get illegal formation because he'll line his ass up in the back field. He going to get a holding call. I already know that. Going into the game, Andy Reid is already counted that.

Like, okay, he's going to get, he's going to get two. This guy's going to get two penalties. Absolutely. Absolutely. So now, let me call plays according, knowing that he's going to get those two penalties. But they harassed him all night. They did a great job of pressuring him, making it very, very uncomfortable. Where did the score?

But look at what did you like about what you saw from Buffalo? Hell, Josh goddamn Allen, no? Man, got Josh with a goddamn 23 for 20, 23 for 26 for 273. a TD James Cook out there cooking 27 27 carriers but 114. Kincaid has 6 for 101. Obviously Joey Bosa, we saw what he did defensively. But the goddamn Chiefs really couldn't really couldn't get nothing going. Cream Hunt had 49 rice.

I almost say Rashid Rice. It is Rashid Rice. Rish Rice. Oh, Rashid Rice. I mean, you only have four for 80. So the Bill's defense kind of kept kept the Chiefs in check. my homes was what 15 for 34 250 at interception

and listen goddamn it's the regular season it's a good win for Buffalo it's a good win but it's the regular season in the regular season Josh Allen is 5 and 1

against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs but that is not where it matters it's not where it matters what are we going to do when it gets to the aFC championship can you get over the hump then and they're going to see each other again

And that's probably going with the two teams that come out of the AFC unless for some, some crazy reason, the Ravens have a resurgence. And Lamar is a magician and just brings them back from, I mean, what, the Ravens, what, two and two or what? No, they like, I think they were like three, three games. Oh, yeah, three, yeah. That mean, they might be three and six, too. Um, I thought Buffalo did a great job. first of all, the Chiefs really didn't stand a chance because the Chiefs likes to stop the run.

Oh, yeah. This is the first time they've given up 100-yard rusher in, what, 20-something games, which was the longest current active street. Right. Okay, now we can't stop the run. Buffalo did a great job of doing what, getting tranquil to cover tight ends and slot receivers.

Right. That's not what he is. He's a run stuffer. He's not a coverbacker. So he did, you see Dawson Knox, you see Ken Kay, you see they get secure match stuff. on it because they motion and they know it's man coverage. If you can, if Kansas City can't stop the run, they can't win.

Yeah. Because now you're at the mercy because they're going to play action you and guys going to dump the ball and they got two tight ends. They got two tight ends that can really can can make a difference in the ball game. Right. Knox and Kincaid. Boy, it's nice, boy. And like you said, Josh Allen did a great job.

He was 23. Think about it. 23 of 26 that's that's that hard it is to go to have three incompletions in an NFL game the whole game only only three that's that's crazy I what I what I do want is I want I don't know what's going on but I would I would love for the resurgence of my young bull Keon Coleman to be a little bit little bit more can't separate Ocho huh he's the big body guy that needs to elevate His heart, it, I mean, look at it. Yeah, I like, he doesn't do, he doesn't win, he doesn't win against press coverage.

Yeah. And the thing yields, if he can't use his athleticism. Yeah. You keep saying the same thing. Keep saying the same thing. Go, if you go back and study him at Florida State, look at what he's doing. He's leaping over people making catches. Right.

You can't beat, if you can't beat man coverage in the NFL. Yeah. And you're not Uber, Uber. talking about like elite or elite of elite right if you can't beat man coverage there are two jobs that's available for you car salesman and coaching we're gonna get him right we don't get him right i just he he has too much talent on he has too much talent not to be not to be being used he got to be well you got to you got to work on his quick titch because he got to get out get off man coverage yeah can't separate yeah we we we don't we don't get him right you don't get him right

we don't get him right we don't get him right yeah but But I saw early on to what they were trying, what they were doing. Yeah. Is that they were getting those tight ends matched up on Tranquil. Yeah. Getting the linebackers matched up on the linebackers. Right.

Those are, those are run stuff in linebackers. And Josh Allen is a guy. I mean, they got him down three times. But he's so tough, man. Hey. Because at 6-6-255, he's going to break and tame.

It's a right. And even when you think you got him, he's going to do something. He, you know, he's a magician with the ball. He's, he's, He's, man, I, I rooted days that he was supposed to be in Denver. And we took, we took Bradley Chub over Josh Allen. Well, he could have been in Denver, huh?

Yep. Damn, that's crazy. I mean, I think, I think if you can go back and do the draft, there are a lot of teams that regret some of the players they take, they've taken. But my thing is, Ocho, we needed a quarterback. Why would you, you don't never, I get it, you wanted to pair Bradley Chubb with I'm not you need a quarterback wait hold on without him I don't give a damn who you pair with Vaughn Miller you can pair Pat Sartan with bond Miller without a quarterback you're not going

nowhere who was a quarterback day year where they chose Bradley Chub instead of going to get a quarterback oh man please who was it uh it must have been somebody was it the guy from Northwestern and you know what also when that when that drab happened you know and scouts they they didn't really think Josh Allen would be who Josh Allen is now he was a project he was listed as a project if they if they knew he would have turned out to be what he is now oh they wouldn't have hesitated man they wouldn't hesitate but they you just didn't know case Keenham we had case Keenham okay journeyman

Case Keenham been with the Texans he had been with the Vikings he had been with like several teams and you pat you thought case Keenom you thought case Keenom hold on but you know remember

we talk about you talk about identity right yes your identity was on defense back then during the time you're speaking of your identity was defense so your office was going to carry because it wasn't no quarterback you can go get that it wasn't no it wasn't no Peyton manning out there no but you got to have a quarterback I don't care how good your

defense is you don't got no quarterback it ain't happening um y'all had a great defense in baltimore yes you just need a quarterback that can't turn the ball over oh cho they don't allow you to play like that that was 20 years ago you're not winning a super bowl playing that style of football first of all the rules prohibit it Right. The incidental contact, the ruffing the passer, the defenseless receiver, ain't none of that. Yeah, I understand.

They deter that now. But I'm saying a defense that good, the Broncos defense that that year, no, no, no, no fly zone. No, no, no, no fly zone Broncos. They were gone then. There was no, there was no, there was no more demarcas wear. There was no more, all those, those guys were gone. Okay, my bad. No.

You have, and you get an opportunity to get a quarterback? Yeah, you take them. You got to, you, that's a 15 year guy. You plug him in. Oh, yeah, well, you know he's a 15 year guy, don't. Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, even as great as great as Aaron Donald was.

Yes. He didn't win no championship until they got Matthew Stafford. Hmm. Three-time defensive player of the year. I eight nine-time first team all pro. Mm-hmm. One of the greatest defensive players ever. Yeah.

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