Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Davante Adams future, Coach Prime checks in, Rodgers drama

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson recap Week 4 of the NFL season. Top stories include Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens looking dominant against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills on Sunda...y Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders to discuss New York Jets Aaron Rodgers drama with HC Robert Saleh, Davante Adams being a potential good fit with Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, and much more!03:13 - Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens looking good06:18 - Lions vs. Seahawks20:25 - Aaron Rodgers and Head Coach Robert Saleh need to get along24:48 - Davante Adams played his last snap with the Raiders?37:30 - Younghoe Koo is the name we all need to know42:30 - Lamar Jackson isn’t interested in your parlays44:38 - Ocho debunks NFL nutritionists(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:21 terms, and responsible gaming resources. Ocho, you remember a couple of weeks ago? Yeah. I said, they need to put Derrick Henry in the eye. Let him dot the eye. He's not an offset back. He's not a zone read back. He's a long strider. Four yards is not enough.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Bring him in at eight. Toss it to him or hand it to him. Derrick Henry, 209 total yards, a buck 99 on the ground. He caught a touchdown pass. The Ravens look very, very good tonight. And all three phases of the game, offense, defense, special teams, the special team didn't really,
Starting point is 00:04:53 the kicking game really didn't come into play because when they got the ball down there, they got the ball into the end zone. The Baltimore Ravens are starting to look like the Baltimore Ravens. We expected them to look like Lamar Jackson. Again, outstanding performance. starting to look like the Baltimore Ravens. We expected them to look like Lamar Jackson again, outstanding performance for what was he?
Starting point is 00:05:07 13 of 18, 156, two touchdowns, no turnovers. Derrick Henry, 24 for 199. I wanted him to get that, man, he wanted that thing bad. He wanted that two bills. If I'm about to be over 199. Somebody gotta give you the word. Like I have a staff, man. They tell, like last week,
Starting point is 00:05:25 just yesterday, they came and told me, hey Travis need 10 more yards to go for another 100 for his like sixth consecutive game. So we was getting ready to try to get him a quick slant or something to get him his 10 more yards because we're aware of that stuff, but the game it played out differently and I didn't wanna be insulting to throw him a ball
Starting point is 00:05:44 when we're up, you know, by margin. So the staff tells you that they should have gotten that one more yard, man. Right. Yeah, well, he needed six. No, he needed four, cause he had 196. He came in, he got two. He got upset cause on the last possession,
Starting point is 00:06:01 they tossed it to him. And he wanted a straight handoff. He wanted to hand it to him. He didn't want to toss because he know the defense is gonna be flowing because if you know you need that many yards, guess who else know you need that many yards? The defense.
Starting point is 00:06:15 They know. But all his big plays came from the toss switch though. That's probably why they did that. All his big runs he broke came from the toss switch. They did. And the fullback, but I didn't like it because what they did is they had the fullback. They had the fullback in the offset. So I like him straight up in the eye.
Starting point is 00:06:30 But when you watch this game, Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Ravens? Listen, they look completely different than what they looked the previous, what? Week one? Week one and two. Yeah, being able to run the ball. I kind of feel sorry for the receivers. I feel sorry for Zay a little bit. I feel sorry for Aguilar.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Mark Andrews is unlikely because they're not getting the touches I think they should because the running game is so efficient, especially tonight. The play action worked a little bit better because the running game was so efficient. And Derek Henry doing what Derek Henry does. We saw the Derek Henry of old that we saw when he was with Tennessee, somewhat in his prime. Obviously being able to hit his head off the goalpost. And I'm not sure how old Derek Henry is, but what he went 97, 95 and nobody-
Starting point is 00:07:14 They couldn't catch him. 87, first time. Nobody can catch him? They, uh uh, couldn't catch him. He had great wins. He had great wins. Yeah, it- There you go, there you go, I see.
Starting point is 00:07:23 What, what, what you mean? I just said he had great wins. Chad, there you go. There you go. I see. What? What? Don't you mean? I just said he had great wind. Chad, what was I saying, Ocho? Ocho, the Lions hold on and beat the Seahawks. Yes, the Lions hold on and beat the Seahawks 42-29. Jerry Goff was a perfect 18 of 18, 292 yards, two touchdowns. St. Brown threw a touchdown pass to Jerry Goff.
Starting point is 00:07:47 So on the night, they were 19 of 19 for 273 yards, three touchdowns. They ran the ball extremely well considering they didn't have a lot of plays. Seattle had over 30 more plays than they actually ran, Ocho. But the plays that they did run, they made them count. They don't count the plays, make the plays count. And the Lions do an unbelievable job.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Gives 14 of 78 to touchdown. David Montgomery, 12 of 40, one touchdown, 28 rushes, 116 yards and three touchdowns. Can't get better than that. They had three touchdown passing and three touchdowns. Can't get better than that. They had three touchdown passing, three touchdown rushing, and they hold on to beat the Seattle Seahawks. Geno Smith was 38 of 56, 395,
Starting point is 00:08:35 one touchdown at an interception. He was sacked three times. Kenneth Walker, the third, 12 carries, 80 yards, three touchdowns. Geno had five carries for 36 yards and Zach Charbonne had two for 15 a 19 rushes 133 damn it DK I needed you to get in end zones with my parlay to hit they put him down at the edge you had I had all my I thought I was born I thought it was too because I thought it was too, cause I thought his elbow hit down on the.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Exactly over the line. Yeah. But the Lions win, Ocho, the Lions offense, they can run it, they can throw it. They got a lot of receivers, you know, Jamison Williams, they got obviously St. Brown, Tim Patrick's there now, man, they, LaPorta, the Bats can catch it out of the backfield.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Detroit is to be dealt with. I mean, cause their offense gonna put a lot of pressure on you now. The things that concern me about them is the defense give up a lot of plays. Yeah, definitely. We got, for one, we gotta talk to, somebody gotta talk to Terry Yonano.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah. All the holding calls, you know, all the penalties, you know, use your hands at the beginning. But once they pass five yards, you got to play with your eyes and feet, baby. You got, you got to play with your eyes and feet, understand the game, read the game based on receivers linemen. If you want to be up there, you want to be up there press, you know, if you miss, just ride the hip, just ride the hip, stop being so handy.
Starting point is 00:10:03 So you get, you stop getting some of those calls. Now, I think one of the reasons that Detroit was able to win this game, but one of the interceptions you know through, then the fumble by Decaf, if I'm not mistaken, those were points that the Detroit Lions scored on. I might be mistaken, but the game was so good because each offense was very efficient.
Starting point is 00:10:24 Yes. They were very efficient. They were they were they were back to back when it comes to scoring. And these are two offenses that can damn near score from anywhere. Detroit is so good at being able to run the ball. It makes when it's time to throw, it makes it that much easier for them. It makes it that much easier. But I think the difference in the game was those got that interception and that fumble. It kind of made everything lopsided because then Detroit was able to
Starting point is 00:10:48 score on those two possessions. Because if you're already down, Ocho, you can't turn the ball over. You're already down. If you're already down. So now you allow somebody to still take a possession away from you. So now you don't get points unless you can turn points to on their possessions. You're behind the eight ball. Seattle was five or 10 on third down. Detroit was three or six on third down.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Seattle was one of two on fourth down. Detroit didn't have any. Detroit ran 50 total plays. Seattle ran 78 total plays. Seattle had 516 of total yards. Detroit had 389. Both had 11 drives. yards per pass. Detroit average 12.4 yards per pass. Seattle average 6.5 penalties. Oh Joe, Detroit had
Starting point is 00:11:40 12 for one on one. Seattle had nine for 70. See, see, oh, Joe, this is why I can't coach. This is why. Carlton Davis three times gave up contained and tell the people at home what happened, Ocho. Twice they scored. Twice, yeah. Kenneth Walker, he has contained, damn!
Starting point is 00:11:59 Yeah, you gotta shoot him back inside to everybody else. How many times you think AG went over that with him? Okay, you got contained on this. He goes into the line, right there. All you gotta do, you contained, now you got a two yard loss, it's second and goal. You get caught down inside, he bounces it touchdown.
Starting point is 00:12:20 The same thing happened again, on the 20 plus yard touchdown run. He get caught down inside, and then he gonna hit his hand like, no, yeah, it's your fault. Yeah, you f'ed up. You absolutely f'ed up. And then again on a run, he got caught down inside. Bro, you have contained, but you are, you jibbing and jabbing with the referee.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Bro, you got contained. That's your job. You got one responsibility. It's the one time, guess what, Ocho? You ain't got no pass cover Bro, you got contained. That's your job. You got one responsibility. It's the one time, guess what, Oto, you ain't got no pass cover responsibility. You got contained. If the guy, if that guy starts your way and reverses field, you done your job.
Starting point is 00:12:56 As long as you don't let him get the edge, you've done your job. He try to do somebody else's job. And listen, when they watch film they gonna let him know. And then you know Carlton knows that. Carlton is a veteran. He's a veteran. You know, listen, you got to flush that back inside to your help. Flush it back inside to your help. You don't want to be in the foot race with Kenneth Walker going around that corner any goddamn way. Make your job easy.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Make it easy for yourself. I was like, look, see, but this is why I can't coach yo-yo. I'll lose my mind. Yeah'm like, look, see, but this is why I can't coach. Oh, Joe, I lose my mind. Yeah, because how many times you think they went over that during the course of the week? For us to contain a forget about going going over through the course of the week. How many years you think you've been practicing it and knowing that corner that you have to contain the outside and flush whatever's coming your way back inside to your health? They
Starting point is 00:13:42 got there. You learn that in peewee football. It's like if you're a linebacker, they call it setting the edge. You never let your uphill shoulder get turned. If you ride him all the way to the sideline, if I keep my uphill shoulder, Ocho, if I keep it square to the line and he can't get outside, I'll give him that one.
Starting point is 00:14:01 He going to AC, he going to B, he going to A. I don't give a damn, that's not my responsibility. I have the edge, I've done my job, I don't give a damn what, he going to AC, he going to B, he going to A, I don't give a damn, that's not my responsibility. I have the edge, I've gotta set it. Yeah, same thing with the D in. You got one responsibility. You ain't got no pass coverage, you ain't got no A gap, you got no B gap, you got no C gap responsibility. All you have to do is you got contained.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Don't let him bounce outside. If he doesn't bounce outside, son, you done your job. I can't ask you to do anything else. Hey, hey, listen, even with the mistakes, they won the game tonight. See, you see what the coach Saban say on football. He say when you play poorly and you win, that's the kiss of death. Yeah, never accept anything in a way and you wouldn't have lost.
Starting point is 00:14:50 I've been lost. But listen, that's the first thing that's the first. That's the first thing coach gonna tell him that the first thing Cocoa tell him we won the game at the end of the day. It's about winning the game. I understand coach savings quote about it being a kiss of death. But when they go in there and talk listen, we lost to the Seahawks the last six times we met. The last six times we played the Seahawks, we lost.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Tonight, we won the game. Now, are there things that we need to clean up? Absolutely. Absolutely. And the thing is, like Prime said last night, when he talked, they played North Dakota State. And everybody like, man, you know, he said, yeah. He said, yeah, we want to win
Starting point is 00:15:30 but it's gotta be more than winning, especially because a standard has been established. The standard is the standard. We play to a level, not the scoreboard. If we play to the level that we know we can play, the scoreboard will be reflective of that. That's what, man, it's just really hard to explain to people when that's when you understand what your purpose is
Starting point is 00:15:56 and what you're trying to accomplish. And people that don't live their life like that and don't follow, don't adhere to that, they don't get it, Ocho. They really don't. They really don't. They really don't. And it's hard.
Starting point is 00:16:09 I mean, I would look like sitting to have a conversation to be on a panel with Tom Brady, or to be on a panel with Peyton Manning, or to be on a panel with Ray and guys that get it to understand what winning is about and what it takes to win. Because you don't win. See, people think you win the game on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:16:26 You win the game Monday through Saturday. That's when the game is won. You just actually play the game on Sunday, but that's not when the game is won. And people don't understand that and it's, oh well. You know the funny thing about it, before you go on when you think about it, even though it's a game of football and people might not understand it, but you
Starting point is 00:16:49 can relate to the people if you kind of explain it to them in their way and the different facets of life in which they have to do their job and you got to do your job the right way because you can't cut no corners. It needs to be a situation where you work at Google, you work at Apple, where you're trying to produce something and you own a timeline. I mean, if you just go, you know, you go punch a clock and I get it and I don't want to minimize anybody's job, but I think the thing is, Ocho, like an Apple or something like that, a computer analyst or something that requires that,
Starting point is 00:17:30 bro, if you don't get the job done, they gonna get you up outta here. Oh yeah, most definitely, most definitely. That goes for all jobs, not just for Google and Apple, even on a smaller scale. If you ain't getting the job done the right way, and you're trying to cut corners. But see, the thing is, O Ocho, like if I work at,
Starting point is 00:17:45 I don't look, if I work, if I'm working at a fast food restaurant, I don't care if I sell more burgers than the other of my competitors. That's not that, see, that's not the same. Hey, I'm here to get my 15, $20 an hour and I'm gonna get up out of here. But when I'm in competition, Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:01 then you need to be in competition to understand it, to feel that. And so hopefully people understand what I'm saying I'm not trying to minimize anybody's job But when you're in competition and you're trying to accomplish something then you get it exactly what I'm saying The Lions improved the three and one they head into their bye week. I am I would hate to have a bye week this early Oh, it's early. They come back and have 13 games left. I need to have my bye week in the middle of the season. I need like, okay, I get the first eight,
Starting point is 00:18:28 I come back, I got nine. Or I have, you know, I go eight, nine weeks. And then when I come back, I got seven, eight games. Yeah, 13 games in a row. Yeah, that's crazy. And the funny thing about it, it doesn't give the players any time to rest. And if you have any injuries,
Starting point is 00:18:43 I'm not sure what the with the Lions are the Lions that got the bye week, right? Lions, Lions. I'm not sure what their injury status is right now, but if some of their important players are hurt or injured, this would be this is good for them to be able to have that bye week and hopefully and hopefully
Starting point is 00:18:59 with those next 13 weeks to go, you hope everybody can stay healthy and make that run for the important half of the season after Thanksgiving. Yeah. But the Lions heading to their bye week, Ocho three and one, they scored 42 points, 42-29 over the Seattle Seahawks. Like you said, they're heading to their bye week three and one.
Starting point is 00:19:21 They get some much needed R&R. But hell, Ocho, hell, I just started. The season eight before eight, but a month old. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Listen, the fact that you just said the season only a month old, do you know how many injuries we have? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Just in general, I mean, throughout the league in its totality. Yeah. I'm not talking about significant injuries, I'm talking about just soft tissue, ankle here, but just stuff where, you're just out, you're just missing time because of, for whatever reason. I know injuries happen, but like, it's just the, the, the number is, is absurd on how many people are hurt. And we only
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Starting point is 00:25:06 Head coach quarterback, Orte. I mean, head coach said one thing, star player said something different. That wasn't me, because I'd be on the cross like this. Cruiserboy, send them the Rebels. They'd be on the send the Rebels. I'd be on the cross. That was me.
Starting point is 00:25:21 You got to get on the same page. Hey, man. Lord, that was all he would comment on that. They need to be on the cross, if that was me. Hey man, Lord have mercy. I ain't gonna comment on that. They need to be on the same page. When? Hold on, Ocho, when has Rogers ever been on the same page? He marched to the beat of his own drum. Y'all know that.
Starting point is 00:25:35 You can't do your coach like that. You can't throw your coach like that. He's always done that. He's always done that. He's always done it. He's always done it. When has he not done it? Is he, that's what happens when you're great like that. You got MVP's, you won a Superbowl.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Ain't nobody gonna say anything. Oh, hold on, let's get this straight big fella. Everybody on this thing was great now. Ain't no, we ain't liking greatness on this call. No, no, but I'm saying, but you don't, the time you know how, when it comes to the quarterbacks, the more, the more, the more hardware you have, the greater you are, the greater people are willing
Starting point is 00:26:13 to sweep what you say, what you do under the carpet. That's another thing. That's another thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop. They don't speak. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Now you gotta forget who's saying it. Now you change the quarterback that makes a statement like that, they ain't sweeping nothing under the on. Now, you gotta forget who's saying it. Now, you
Starting point is 00:26:25 change the quarterback that makes a statement like that. They ain't sweeping nothing under the rug and and get away with it. No, no. Stay with me now. Thank you. My point. I'm gonna leave that down. My point. When when does it when does it
Starting point is 00:26:39 stop? Never. Never. It no no no. One thing about it, everybody in this game has a shot clock. Everybody in the game has a shot clock. Guess what happens? It happens to everybody. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Did you not see what happened in Green Bay with the quarterback before Aaron Rodgers? Did you not see what happened to Aaron Rodgers? They will tolerate you. Go back and look. AB situation in Pittsburgh. They will tolerate you until they can replace you. And when they replace you, they done.
Starting point is 00:27:15 It happens. AB, Shadda, they ain't talking about you because you know AB is shooting back, Shadda. I just wanted to try and say it. AB, AB relentless on this one. That's my dog. I love your dog. That was Shanna.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Shanna, Shanna say he sorry. He ain't wanna talk about you. Leave him alone. Time. The one thing I've learned about you, what you told me is that, hey, block that noise out. You know who you are. That's right.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Somebody saying this about you or calling you this, you know that's not who you are. So why does somebody that you don't even have no dealings with saying something about you, bother you? That's right. It's the attraction. It's the attraction. Most people are attracted to hate.
Starting point is 00:27:56 I'm attracted to love. Show me you love me, I got you. Listen, I'm attracted to love too, but I need a little bit of hate. Prime, I need a little bit of hate. Prime, I need a little bit of hate. I need a little balance. Like on Twitter, like on Instagram. See, you probably got ping pong pedals on your bed and you ain't got no ping pong tape.
Starting point is 00:28:11 You probably want to be spanking on that dog. I got a whole dungeon. I got a whole dungeon. You bet you do. Yeah. See, I don't want to hear that. I'm just telling you about me. You got a swing set that's ready for the baby.
Starting point is 00:28:20 You want to see it? I got a swing set right here. No, I do not want to see it, dog. I don't want to see it. You know what, chat? For the rest of the video, I'm going to be spanking on that dog. I'm going to be spanking on that dog. I'm going to be spanking on that dog. I'm going to be You got a swing set that's ready for the baby. I got a swing set right now. No, I do not wanna see it though. I don't wanna see it. You know what, chat, for those of you,
Starting point is 00:28:30 you saw the movie 50 Shades of Grey? That was my script. They took the feel, I sent in footage, I was supposed to be Christian Grey. I was supposed to play that part. Oh, they took my script and the footage. I sent in visual reference to show them what I could, what I had and what I could do and what I do at home in my little dungeon and then when they made a movie out of it.
Starting point is 00:28:51 I sued and all. I won. The sad thing about it, sad thing about it, it's a little truth to that what you're saying. See, that's the thing that they don't understand. It's a little, every good joke, it's a little truth to it. Yeah, I'm through with it. The thing about it, my last name ain in heart and I don't tell no jokes. I lie for you before I lie to you.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Well, y'all, hey, I'm clean. I'm clean as they come. Ty, you know me. I'm clean as they come, Ty. Yes, sir. Coach Joe, Antonio Pierce, head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, like the Nike post speculating that Devante Adams might've played his last nap with the Raiders don't be sports Illustrated wrote, don't be surprised if Devante Adams has
Starting point is 00:29:39 already played his last nap with the Raiders. Michael Fabinio. How do you say his last night with the Raiders. Michael Fabinio, how do you say the last name? Michael Fabiano. Liked by Antonio Pierce. You have to understand when you see, when you hear things like that, or when media has speculations like that,
Starting point is 00:29:56 it comes from somewhere. It ain't coming out the air. It ain't coming out the air. So the fact that we're in the social media area, Antonio Pierce and many other coaches have social media as well. And the fact that him liking it, what did Antonio appear saying is, um, he says, I have some guys out there making business decisions and we will make business decisions. Adams happens to end up with the New York jets. business decisions and we will make business decisions moving forward. Case closed.
Starting point is 00:30:25 If Devonte Adams happens to end up with the New York Jets, I say it first. If Devonte Adams happens to end up, there was one more team that was a needed receiver. If Devonte Adams happens to end up in Kansas City, I say it first. He ain't going to Kansas City. Okay? And if it ain't Devonte Adams in Kansas City, it will be Amari Cooper. You can book that. Or what's it called?
Starting point is 00:30:50 Oh, I, I'm sure, I'm sure. What's it called? Want to go to D hop. Cause I was surprised that they didn't get D hop when he was available. They wouldn't hand enough money. Remember that would be a good, they would cut me short on the, on the, on the short on the cash right yeah, throw me the bag. You know you know what I could do Mm-hmm But here's the thing
Starting point is 00:31:16 Coach oh is that what you gave up to get Devante? You're not going nobody gonna get nobody gonna give you two horse round of the take to get a wide receiver. Hmm. Cause I guess what? I know you want to get rid of it. See Tyreke got what he wanted because they've called everybody off guard. Nobody that ain't what? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:31:39 There was no, there was no speculation. As a matter of fact, they had just, did they lose the Super Bowl? They had just lost the Super Bowl. I think they lost to Tampa. Yeah. I'm not mistaken. No, they know, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:31:57 They lost to Cincinnati in the championship game. That was Tyreek's last game. Cause remember they ended up picking the pass. He threw a deep pass and it ended up getting picked off the Tyree. Nobody knew that Tyree wasn't available. Drew wanted to do a deal. Tyree wanted to be a high paid.
Starting point is 00:32:17 The one thing is, hey, they're not going to let you force the hand. And it says, OK, hey, you can go shop yourself. let you force the hand. And it says, okay, hey, you can go shop yourself. So it's like, hold on, we need to tell, we can get Tyreek knowing that there are some teams out there, Ocho, they really need a receiver. You talking about one of the top three, one of the top one, he probably ain't gonna get past three.
Starting point is 00:32:42 So you got one of the top three receivers available. Whatever you want. What are they gonna take to get it? Whatever you want. But listen, you got to understand that them Candice D. Cheese are in dire need of a playmaker. I mean- I don't think they give up. I don't think they give up two first rounders.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Do you think it would be two first rounders at this point? Okay. No, that's my point. You're not gonna get what in return, what you, Oh Joe, you know how it is. You buy a car, the likelihood of you buy, you go buy a car right off the lot.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Keep it for three weeks. Absolutely not. I think the chiefs understand it. I think the Raiders understand that. But why would you continuously keep a player that's not happy around? That let it be known that he's not happy and he wants to be out. He's not vocal about it, but look at his body language.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Look at his mannerisms, right? You know, they're going to make it happen. I'm telling you the. This is not what he signed up for. He thought that when he came there, he was going to play with his college teammate, that's what he thought. And after one year, his college teammate was gone. And so now he played, he played with Aiden O'Connor.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Like, bro, who's going to give me the ball? Because y'all got y'all got people out here thinking I'm I'm losing a step. I'm stopping stepping off a cliff and y'all not paying attention. Who's throwing me the ball? I had Aaron Rogers. I come, I get Derek Carr and guess what? I still go for fifteen hundred. Make first team all pro my first year with a new team.
Starting point is 00:34:12 They trade quarterbacks and we got these quarterbacks that's throwing me the ball. And y'all expect me to make, you know. Wine out of what y'all at least if y'all gave me water and grapes, I can make wine. Y'all give me vinegar and say they go make wine with it, the one person turn water into wine, man. Yeah, but they say what the bontae say, well, that's what y'all want me to do. Just give me some, give me some grapes. I get the stomping, little water, sugar. I could make something happen out of that, but you gave me vinegar.
Starting point is 00:34:45 It's gonna be bitter. He gonna be all right. They gonna listen. Antonio Pierce, they gonna make some business decisions. They gonna make it. I'm telling you, if he end up with the Jets, or if he end up with the Teens, I said, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Yeah. Because that's 28, 29 million. Yeah. 20, hold on. Oh, Julliam, ask your question. And this is what I tell people all the million. Yeah. 20. Hold on. Oh, let me ask you a question. And this is what I tell people all the time when they need to pay. I say, what are they finishing the division? Last. Well, they can finish that without it.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I mean, oh, Joe, you can finish last. The division did not pay out twenty nine, thirty, forty, fifty million dollars. I mean, if I'm paying that kind of money, shouldn't I be first? I mean, on the cusp of being first? Now they had a huge comfort behind win, down 10 points again to Cleveland. They came back, beat Baltimore down 10 points. So they have resiliency.
Starting point is 00:35:37 They have resolve. Remember, you remember, now in order to be efficient, offensive, you got to have some dogs, offensive, you got to have some dogs now. You got to have some dogs now. Yes. You think you're gonna walk out there with a bunch of swanwilders. I think the barn tail be, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:35:59 And you're gonna be able to dance with the rockwilders. That ain't finna happen. You got to have some dogs that go to be a compete You do I Just think the body at this point would be happier elsewhere he won't say he won't say it but I say it for him videos Yeah but I say it for him. It is. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's like, I'm warming up my welcome here.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I can only do so much. I play a very dependent position and the people that I'm depending on, I can't or I shouldn't be. There ain't nothing worse than being, Oh Joe, you know how you like, you need a ride and need somebody to take you somewhere. And you already know, Hey bro, I need to be here by X time.
Starting point is 00:36:52 And you are the worst thing you need to do in anything. Need a ride. Be in a relationship where you're dependent on that person. You know, because you get dependent on a person. They treat you like any kind of. Think about it. Somebody making the money. They expect you to take whatever they, whatever they dish it out.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Where you going to go? Who will treat you like me? Well, I can go anywhere and get treated just like this here. I might not have the means, but at the end of the day, you treat me like a storefront. It's a lot of folks in situations like that. Now you preaching that. It is. It is. But it's like my grandfather, and I tell this all the time, I remember my grandfather very vividly telling my aunts, because they had gotten grown, they were still at the house, and they wanted to come in, you house and they wanted to come in.
Starting point is 00:37:45 You know, they wanted to come in one, two o'clock in the morning. My grandfather say, don't grumble and stay grumble and leave. He said, tell me what, tell me what a SOB I am at your place, but you ain't going to tell me what I am at mine because you're not coming in here at the time that you want to. Grown folks have their own place. Whole bunch of grown folks don't stay with other grown folks and then tell them how to run their house.
Starting point is 00:38:09 It's not like roommates. Huh? That ain't happening at Barney Porter's house. So guess what happened? Hmm. They got this stuff. Don't grumble and stay grumble and leave. Tell me what a mofo I am at your place.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Right. Man, I can't stand that mofo. He make me sick, but you at your place saying that. You're not finna say that here. Ain't no, you know what? And that. Man, look at Barney, hey, oh, chill, man, look here. You talking about Hurricane Paulie, Paula?
Starting point is 00:38:42 Look here. Barney Porter, they play the drums. Oh, man, he did not play with his kids or nobody kids. It was he was matter of right. Imagine what I am magnified times 10. When that you say I will be at house in a certain amount of time, you better be sitting on that porch. When he say, I'm coming to pick them kids up,
Starting point is 00:39:14 to go to Bible study, or go to Sunday school, and I'm gonna be there X time, it wasn't no, hold on Mr. Barney. You better be ready. Oh no. What? What do you think we got there from Ocho? He did not play that.
Starting point is 00:39:32 When that man say we leaving for church at this time. Lord have mercy. I should have had my brother tell you. Ask him. Yeah. That joker didn't play at all He was quick to say look here all that joking and kiki kid, he's a great grown man don't play like that All that kiki key. That's why I get that kiki key from Mmm-hmm. Oh
Starting point is 00:40:01 No, but I tell you what chat y'all see my brother askin', say, Sterling, man, I heard your brother talkin' about your grandfather. Tell us what he was like. See what he say. Yeah, I got an answer about that. See what he say. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,
Starting point is 00:40:21 author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond
Starting point is 00:40:47 to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, here we go. It's Cam Jordan from New Orleans Saints here to tell you it's going down. On season two of my podcast, Off the Edge with me, Cam Jordan. Can't stop it. You know what's going to happen. Can't stop it.
Starting point is 00:41:13 That's right. Catch the new episodes every Wednesday all season long. That's what you look for in year 14, to do more. And I'll have my friends who happen to be some of the NFL's biggest stars join me on the pod. We'll give you a player's perspective of the biggest storylines, trends, and did that really just happen moments from around the league.
Starting point is 00:41:34 And you know we'll have fun doing it. Ha! Yeah! Oh, and I'll have a special guest each month join me to mix it up a little bit. Who is it? None other than... Syke. You have to tune in to find out.
Starting point is 00:41:48 So tap in to Off the Edge with Cam Jordan's podcast, your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Jake Halpern. We have a new limited series of my podcast, Deep Cover, out now, all about George Santos, the Republican congressman from New York who told a lot of stories about his life and his credentials, many of which turns out were not true. That's like, you know, Mr. Ripley meets Catch Me If You Can. I mean, the guy hoodwinked everyone.
Starting point is 00:42:23 He was very ambiguous and sketchy, quite honestly, about what the company did and how it made so much money overnight. What prosecutors allege in the indictment is that most of that $12,000 goes directly to Santos's personal bank account. I would go down these rabbit holes and start thinking about, like, what is the nature of truth? You know, like, what can I actually, actually like tell the reader is real about this guy's story?
Starting point is 00:42:50 My phone is literally blowing up inquiries about saying, is George going to jail? What's going on? And I like, why are you doing this? Like, why? Listen to Deep Cover George Santos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I've put out a history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really in here them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day,
Starting point is 00:43:32 and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire?
Starting point is 00:43:49 Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,
Starting point is 00:44:05 or wherever you get your podcast. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, James Brown, BB King, Miriam Makeba. I shook up the world. James Brown said, said love. And the kid said, I'm black and I'm proud. Black boxing stars and black music royalty, together in the heart of Zaire, Africa.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Three days of music and then the boxing event. What was going on in the world at the time made this fight as important as anything else is going on on the planet. My grandfather laid on the ropes and let George Foreman basically just punch himself out. Welcome to Rumble, the story of a world in transformation. The 60s and prior to that, you couldn't call a person black. And how we arrived at this peak moment. I don't have to be what you want me to be.
Starting point is 00:44:56 We all came from the continent of Africa. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the soul of 74, starting October 9th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["The Soul of 74"] Commanders, lead the NFC East with a 3-1 record. 2-1 away. Who you say? What's his name? 42-14 over the Cardinals. What's his name? Young Ho-Koo. the I said, I said, young Hoku. Who
Starting point is 00:46:06 I'm not about she and she but you said you said Young Ho. No, I'm not producing. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Listen to me. Hold on. Okay. Okay. Okay. What is this? Who wrote that for you? said. Okay. nobody's name. That ain't nobody's name. That is nobody's name. That's what he said. And
Starting point is 00:46:55 you're going to say it. That is nobody's name. That's his name. That that is not nobody's name spelled like that. You know there ain't nobody's name spelled like that. That is his name. Actually, that is his name. That's the way it's pronounced, young way. But it's spelled, no, she put it on there as young way. But if you go look at it, it's Y-O-N-G-H-O-E.
Starting point is 00:47:21 G-H-O-E, go. That makes it E. Go. That makes it go. make big plays. It's really weird. He got my stomach hurting, man. He's DB Palson Edible. Edible who picked our all game committed. a minute, a third yard passing appearance, fill up the Falcons for Youngway's kick. He kicked a 58 yarder.
Starting point is 00:47:49 This is the second victory in Falcons history in which they scored zero offensive touchdowns, two or more defensive or special team touchdowns. The last time it happened, week nine, 1977, and a win over Detroit. Man, we were badly born there. I think Lehman Bennett was the head coach back there. the game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game.
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Starting point is 00:48:23 a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's a game. It's I'm talking about a cock dog. You really wear white shoes. They have Steve Barkowski. That's what I'm saying. I've never seen without white shoes. White shoes. Yes. He probably go to the bathroom. I ain't never seen a man poop that much.
Starting point is 00:48:46 He's like an old man. He must be took Metamucilus and prune juice or something. Hey, y'all got me in tears. He's staying in the bathroom. Joe Burrow and the Bengals get their first win over the Panthers. Oh Joe, your Bengals play our predictions still alive. Joe Burrow put
Starting point is 00:49:10 together another solid day completing twenty-two or thirty-one two thirty-two two touchdowns. One pick and the team's rushing a check. Chase Brown's at Moss combined for 131 yards. Two touchdowns on thirty or ten. Listen, listen.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Oh Joe. Bengals look good today. Obviously, they played the Panthers. The Panthers, listen, I said some things about them before they played the Raiders. Obviously, Andy Dalton is in there now. They look decent. Deontay Johnson had a good game. Xavier Leggett, you got to show up for your quarterback. Baby, you got to hold on to some of those balls.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Mingo, y'all got to, listen, y'all got to show up. My Bengals, we won a game. But again, people will say, oh, you want a game, but you played the goddamn Panthers. There's no disrespect to them. We needed, we needed this game. We need this game to get some continuity, to find some rhythm. Jamar Chase, boy, you look good. Listen, this is why you pay, you pay with shit like that because you get the results you get today. You taking, nah, no, no. But again, he should be paid why he should be paid. Keep doing your thing.
Starting point is 00:50:12 He probably gonna take care of his family this season. Forgot to be playing and he hadn't got his bag and everybody else has. That says a lot about his character, man. Lamar Jackson has something he needed to get off his chest this morning. This is a team sport.
Starting point is 00:50:27 I'm not out here to satisfy when I throw, I'm not out here satisfied when I throw for 300 yards, but took the L. If I throw for 50 yards and we win, that's what the WTF matters. Y'all stop commenting on our social about yards and fan duel or parlayed ain't here. Listen, so the players on our social about yards. Yeah, or parley Now I don't know what I'm getting out of it if I if I let's just say oh Joe you had it somebody got you in your Parley Oh Joe over under a hundred yards Oh Joe, you know touchdown of the parley Oh Joe score this guy scored
Starting point is 00:51:04 So you had a parley you bet $50 and you got all these guys, you got Ocho is one of your guys or another guy is one of your guys. And that thing hit for like 4,000. How much of that you get in Ocho? So why would you give a damn about your parlay? It's tough because y'all jumping on these guys timeline. Like, Hey man, you caused me my fantasy. Oh, you caused me, bro. I didn't play well enough and we lost the game. Why I give a damn about your fantasy more than I care about this game? I get it. And I'm, hey, I want you to have success as much as you possibly can. But I don't be looking
Starting point is 00:51:35 at reading my comments like, hey man, are you on my fantasy team? Oh man, the dude picked me in his fantasy. Let me go out there and try to get three tubs and a hundred yards. Lamar ain't looking at your fantasy saying, man, he got me. I need to rush for 100, score two, you know, run for two touchdowns, go for another 250, another touchdown so I can make sure my guy win. Lamar ain't thinking like that. Lamar said, I'm trying to get this. Lamar says, I'm trying to stack as many Ws as I can.
Starting point is 00:52:01 I want to have home field one more time. And I want to see if I can do a step better than what I did last year. That's what's going through Lamar mind. Lamar ain't thinking about no fantasy. Fantasy don't do nothing for Lamar. Unless he got a fantasy, he his own quarterback on his own team. But no, that ain't got nothing to do with Lamar. But guys, I see it all the time.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Guys like, man, you causing my fantasy. Guys like, bro, I don't care nothing about your fantasy. I really don't. I don't care nothing about you parlay. I can tell you why 80% of NFL continues to get hurt and the injuries, the soft tissue injuries continue to increase year in and year out. I can tell you, but nobody want
Starting point is 00:52:45 to listen to me. No, the NFL teams want to bring in all these goddamn specialists with all these goddamn pie charts and shit, you know, on which is supposed to consume and how important nutrition and intake is. And everybody continues to get hurt. Don't listen to me. We play a fucking barbaric sport, but all you motherfuckers are eating like goddamn rabbits And wonder why your body can't hold up and it's only weak goddamn three. Yeah, but you don't want to listen to me Huh, 11 12 years no injuries. All I did was dislocated my goddamn finger once Shit, but don't listen to me listen to the motherfucking people that never played a sport before but they tell you what to put in Your goddamn body.
Starting point is 00:53:25 I'm gonna listen to the guys like Megatron, it's 88 Healthy and Jerry. Who? Megatron. Okay, that's a good one. What about Jerry? Jerry, that's a good one. I mean, look, to each his own, I just felt that.
Starting point is 00:53:43 I just felt that I was gonna get in what I put out. And so like during the season, I wouldn't eat anything bad. That was just me. And here's the thing, Ocho, the mind is the strongest muscle that you have. See, you believe eating that,
Starting point is 00:54:00 what not gonna happen. And you convinced yourself. Most people believe that if they eat healthy they'll be healthy and they'll perform better it ain't happening because all them motherfuckers hurt they don't i are soft tissue injuries my hamstring my ankle i mean listen the hype i'll talk about the it it hurts me because the best players are the ones getting hurt and on Sundays I want to see you play. I want to see you play.
Starting point is 00:54:32 I'm mad at Pukka Nakua. Pukka Nakua had a historic rookie season last year with the Rams. You know what he ate every day last year? He had McDonald's. He was a McDonald's advocate just like I am. He changed his diet in the off season and started eating healthy. It's not a coincidence. But you have to understand Ocho, a lot of guys don't have your frame. They eat McDonald's eating that bull job. They're going to be 300 pounds. They're going to be 20, 30 pounds
Starting point is 00:55:02 over their weight. Time out, time out, time out. What you mean a lot of guys don't have my frame? It's only one me. Exactly. It's only one. I know, hey listen, I know I'm built like a He-Man figurine. You're not.
Starting point is 00:55:13 No six, two, 30, shizzled up. I know. Everybody can be built like this. No. I'm a specimen. Yeah, I know. I'm a specimen. A lot of guys, they eat, you know, we got weight. I don't know if y'all had weight, had to make weight or just an addict. I was overweight a few times.
Starting point is 00:55:30 I got, hey listen, Marvin fired me like 15,000 right before the Ravens game. Right before the Ravens game. I came in at 225. I ain't worried about that. I think the thing is Ocho is that I don't think the guys give their body enough time to rest You don't think so. I don't they barely even they barely even practice. No, but I'm saying I'm not I'm talking about all they do It they they go from soon as the season over they start back running and they don't take no time off
Starting point is 00:55:58 Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Hey, I your body, take a month, take two months off. I don't think that's it. Um, we were doing two a day. Um, yeah, we've got it. We took, we took a two month. They don't, they don't, they don't put the body through the wringer enough. Yeah. They're not practicing enough. You gotta get the body ready for that. The Volume. and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Maria Kondakova. And I'm Nate Silver.
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