Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Day 1 of March Madness, Penny Hardaway joins the show, & Puka has LeBron as his GOAT

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react day 1 of March Madness with some early upsets, Penny Hardaway joins Nightcap to discuss the NCAA tournament. & Puka says LeBron is his GOAT on a recent podcast & much more!06:14 - Show start08:00 - March Madness23:14 - Celtics sold for $6 billion 33:00 - Penny Hardaway joins the show53:00 - LeBron is Puka Nakua’s GOAT55:30 - Details of Tee Higgins deal(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got one set that is Anfrony penny hardaway and y'all know the mayor of houston bun b joins us a little later in the show, but oh cho Yeah, we will go we will get into march madness I'm gonna show you this a little later. Day one of March Madness, in the books. Hey, got an upset already, Ocho. The biggest upset of the tournament thus far. MacNeese, number 12, MacNeese State over number five, Clemson, 69-67. MacNeese became the 47th number 12 seed to win a first round game since 1979. And in the process,

won his first NCAA tournament game in school history. The performance comes in wake of coach Will Wade's agreement. He's leaving McNeese at the end of the tourney run to become the head coach of the Wolfpack of NC State. But Wade's transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not waves transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not become a distraction, he said. Ocho, do you think him leaving propelled his team to spring this upset?

I think maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe so, but listen, you know, when it comes to basketball, it's one game, it's not a seven game series, not a five or six game series. You go out there and what team shows up that Pacific day. Your ranking don't matter. It don't matter what you've done during the regular season. Once it comes to March Madness, you got one shot. One shot to get it right. And they got it right. Maybe there might have been some type of motivation behind coach, them knowing coach is leaving and you want to send him out the right way and if this is any testament to that kudos to them yeah they play really well okay the thing is is that there's a difference between truth and

transparency talk to me you see the difference see truth is you ask me a question I tell you the truth. Transparency is you telling me something that I didn't even ask you to tell me. Well, I'm sorry, I ain't gonna do that, Ocho. No, don't you get that book. Don't you get that book. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We just started the show. Hey, I'm gonna start. We're gonna get into the show, Ocho. No, yeah, how are we gonna get into the the show? You coming out with hot fire already.

Give me that, come on, now. You come on, don't do me like that. Give me that one more time. I gotta write that down. I'm telling you, that transparency line was unbelievable. Truth is telling you, you ask me a question, I tell you the truth. Transparency is telling you something

you didn't even ask me. I'm being transparent. You don't even know. See, if you tell me, say, well, Shannon blah, blah, blah, so forth, so on. Yeah, this is what I did. But let me tell you something else that you didn't know. That's being transparent.

And there's a difference between the two. And so I think him, even before, they found out, he was like, look guys, I've had contact. There's a possibility I could be leaving you guys and going somewhere else. And I think that plays a large part. That's what transparency is.

People say transparent, I want you to be transparent. Now I think that's a good definition of good understanding is telling someone something they didn't even ask. Now you're being transparent. And so I think this definitely helped. But like you said, Ocho in a game of this magnitude, when one shot is and that's one shining moment, I just gotta be better than you for this day. I gotta be better.

I gotta be a better team. I just gotta be better than you today. Yeah, for two hours. That's it. That's it. And they were. But I think that's why people love March Madness so much, Ocho, because realistically, anything can happen on that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And people like that. Cause the underdog like, man, my team really got a chance to beat a Duke, to beat a North Carolina, to beat a Clemson, to beat a UCLA or one of these blue blood programs, Kentucky, Kansas. My team, you, man, you know what? My team did that. My team really truly have the chance to do that.

So, go ahead. There's a reason they call it March, and the last word is madness. Because ain't no telling what's gonna happen, regardless of seating, regardless of the conference, regardless of how small your program may be. All it takes is what team is showing up that day for two hours.

A team get a lot, Ocho, I think for me a team get hot. And you know it, team get hot. They make 10, 11, 12 threes in a college game? That's huge. They go on the run all of a sudden, they can't miss. We've seen it before. We've seen Villanova pull the upset over Georgetown. We've seen NC State take down

Flat Five Slamma Jamma in 1984. No, that was 83, 83, excuse me, 83. The Wolf Pack took him down. Because in 84, Georgetown won. Georgetown beat Houston that year. Because that was the year Akim ended up turning pro. But yeah, so, oh, got another one Ocho. Drake is headed to the second round.

The Bulldog gets upset. Missouri, 67, 57. Golly. That's a number 11, down a number six earlier. We had a number 12 took down a number five. I think the thing is we're waiting for that. We're waiting for that one 16 to 15 314 because like, like the, and the note said earlier, 47 times of 12 is taking down number five.

So we've gotten kind of like, we expect, we expect 112 to take down a five seed in the first round. We're, I mean, we go into the thing. I mean, so when we get this, even though it is an upset because you're ranked five, the other team is ranked 12, 11 versus a six, we're expecting this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years. So we're not, we're not nearly as shocked. But now when we get a 116, we got to get a 215, we got a 314. Now we're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's really going on? Really going on. But yeah, who upsets early, I wonder how many perfect brackets that we still have. Listen, honestly, honestly, you would have to make multiple brackets. Yeah, for sure. Make multiple brackets with multiple scenarios for your bracket to be right.

There's no way in hell people are guessing the bracket on one shot with some of the upsets and getting it right. Because if you are, and if you're able to do it, and you're out there, and your bracket is still intact today, you need to give me the numbers to Mega Millions in the lotto. And Powerball? And pick five. Please, please do. I mean, the first round is really not that hard because I think Warren Buffett had a

thing that if you compete a perfect bracket and pick the national champ, you'll get a billion dollars. But that ain't gonna happen. Nah. You've got a better chance of winning the lottery than picking a perfect bracket all the way through and getting the national champion right. You got a better chance. I mean think about it, Ocho, every single round from 64 to 32 to 16 to 8 to 4 and to get it, that ain't happening. Well, you get that right, that ain't number God's grace and favor.

Well, you better let God pick it then. You better not pick it. You better let him pick it. You better let it fill out your bracket. Oh Joe, the number eight Gonzaga's, the Zags beat number nine Georgia Bulldogs 89-68. The Zags look to be drastically under seeded as the number 8 made easy work over the Georgia Bulldogs. Gonzaga has now played 26 straight NCAA tournament games. Georgia was playing for the first time since 2015. One team looked very, very comfortable on this stage. The other team did not. The Jags jumped out to a 27- three lead and never looked back. Georgia had 13 turnovers, shot just five or 26 from the three,

including back to back air balls at one point in the first half. They trailed by 25 points on multiple occasions. Look, I think, didn't guys say I could just play for the national championship a couple of years ago? And you know, they have really good players. They had Jalen Suggs come out of there, Timmy, Chet Holmgren. So they've had

Rui Hachimura, they've had some guys some really good players come out of Gonzaga So I'm not surprised I've definitely even though they were a higher seed I would have put I would have picked the Zags to Beat the Bulldogs. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've been there that many times. I don't think anybody's surprised that the Zags. Probably the only people that picked them were Bulldog fans. On Saturday, get ready to see how good the Zags are. They'll try to beat the top seeded Houston Cougars

to make the 10th straight Sweet 16. Now that's gonna be a good one. Now that's gonna be a good one. We gotta be able to have that pressure Drew Timmy That's who? Ah Damn What what what what number 10 Arkansas Razorbacks took down the number 7 Kansas Jayhawks 79-72

and a game of runs between two championship coaches. Seven seed Kansas escaped the win with eight ties and 10 different lead changes. The number 10 Arkansas Razorback used a 7-0 run to give coach John Calipari a 70-79-72 victory over the Jayhawks and Bill Self in the Providence, Rhode Island. What'd you think? and build self in the Providence, Rhode Island. What do you think? I mean, Coach K. Leff, he got the criticisms, became a little bit unbearable because of the hell up, bro.

Every year, think about all the first round draft picks that you've had, all the number one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've only got one national championship to show. And Kentucky is about championships. Coach Ruff, Tuffy Smith, Smith Rick Patino even Callum stack one But you got number one overalls and pick Anthony Davis you got Carl Anthony Towns you got boogie cover You got number all John Wall. You got a

Shaggy, you got a Tyler hero. You got Jamal Murray. You got Devin Booker. You got the Vanderbilt come on coach Wait, listen, I'm listen. it's been a farm system for them. It's been a farm system for them. In and out with number one picks, some of the greatest, not only to play collegiate football, but some of the greatest also in the NBA.

But also, Anki, you gotta think about it. Think about who they were losing to. They weren't losing to no scrubs. They're also losing to other players that play well collectively as a group. Yeah. Now, usually we name in one office of great players that happen to be on a team, but the team that they lost to- But you do realize that John Wall and Boogie Cousins was on the same team, right?

Oh yeah, they was on the same team, but that's right, that's right. That's the key word that you heard me say. The team that they lost to played together collectively as a group, much better than them as a two-headed monster. So- They are, the team that's beating them are sophomores, juniors, and seniors sprinkled in where they're just one and done.

And look, try to learn how to play together. Because all these guys, Murray was the guy. Book was the guy, Hero was the guy. All these guys were the guy. Now you're asking all these five stars to come together and say, okay, bro, for the common good, hey, this is what we need. It's hard.

It's really hard because everybody has the same ambition as to go play in the NBA. But in order to get there, you're going to have to have sacrifices. And it's hard. I mean, you look at the teams that win, they got juniors and seniors sprinkled in there. Look at you calling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not as deep as far as juniors and seniors and they're struggling. They don't have the same talent. You lose Klingon, then you lose Castle, you lose some of these other guys.

And so you're going to struggle. But Coach Cal got it done. In Arkansas, first win in a tournament as head coach of Arkansas. We know he was at a lot of different places, whether they at UMass, he ended up going to, he was an NBA, then he goes to Memphis, then he goes to Kentucky, stayed in Kentucky for a number of years. He did win a national championship, but he moves on and he gets his win there. The number one seed's Auburn and Houston, both take care of business.

Auburn beat Alabama State, 83-63. Auburn crews behind 23 points from Miles Kelly and 14 points 11 rebounds from player of the year candidate, Johnny Brown. Setting up Saturday date with the number nine, Creighton. Houston will play SIU-Edwardsville. Oh, they beat SIU-Edwardsville, 78-40. Kevin Sampson was able to rest his starter

for much of the second half after building a 28-point lead in the first half. No starter played more than 23 minutes. Houston has been haunted by injuries in the NCAA tournament the last three years, but it cruised into the second round with his entire rotation intact. So, surprise I think some people a lot of people probably got Houston going all the way through at least advancing to the Elite

Eight if not the Final Four. Mm-hmm now listen who did you say Houston has coming up they played the Zaga on Saturday right? Yes. In his ads? Yep. Okay. Yeah. I don't think I'm listen I ain't no telling what's gonna happen on it is Uh, yes. In his age? Yep. Okay. Yep. I don't think I'm... Listen, I ain't no telling what's going to happen, though. It is one day, but Houston is good. Houston is very, very good. But again, it's called March Madness for a Reason.

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I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say and not just about hockey. Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players,

some of my former teammates, Hall of Famers, and wait to see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex. Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what Energy Lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Boston Celtics has been sold for $6.1 billion, the highest price ever paid for North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades. Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise

at a price of $6.1 billion. The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023, and far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba when he brought the team the same year. The Gross Bank Group brought the Boston Celtics, Ojo, for $360 million and now sells it for almost 20 times, in other words, what they call in business 20X as much. Yeah, yeah most definitely. Oh Joe, if you had, let's say 10 billion.

Oh, talk to me. You got 10 billion dollars, would you buy a sports franchise? Not only would I buy a sports franchise, I'm buying three sports franchises. What? Which one? Where? I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. First of all, Which one? Where? I'm gonna tell you where I'm gonna go. First of all, you listening to me? I'm listening.

Stay with me now. If I had $10 billion, for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Toby. That didn't happen, go somewhere else. That's family mom and pop, they ain't selling that. They ain't selling, okay, boom. So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy. Okay.

I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful games. Yes. I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli. Okay.

Do everything I went, do everything in my power, bringing in all type of players, you know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want, bringing superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. You think Mickey has it going, hello, you just saw what the Celtics went for?

How much money you think you'll have to spend to get Napoli? Well, listen, to get Napoli, oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much that franchise and the NTT will cost me. But again, I'm going to get to Miami Heat. I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things isn't conducive for business with today's era of players.

And this is Miami. This is Miami and players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for for ethnicities and culture. How does nobody want to come play here? No superstars. Listen, we got Bam. We got Tyler, a hero. You drafted him. I again, I understand that, but we can't get any superstars here. We need we need one more.

Jimmy left. True. So, boom, that's true. Napoli in the Miami heat. Now I'm not sure how much I'm gonna have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me. Chad you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while we talking about it and then the rest of that I'm gonna sit on and I'm open up a cigar lounge. Oh my goodness. Oh that's it, 980 million.

So you got, so you got, so basically they go, they go probably up charge, so 10% so they go charge you a billion. So you get a charge, they go charge you a billion, 1.1. Yeah. Okay, so now you got 8.9. Okay. Yeah. NFL, you want to get an NFL team.

I mean. You told me I can't, you can't, what about the Dolphins? You think Stephen Ross will sell me the Dolphins? He might be willing to sell you a majority share How much we talk about would a majority share of the dolphins? What you think Probably Somewhere between two and a half and three and a half

Oh, that's done That's done That that is done and And listen, I'm manifesting this. I'm manifesting this. I hope from my mouth to God's ears. Maybe it can happen. Maybe it won't. Let me dream big. I can dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's gonna happen. Normally, Ocho, if like a family-owned business there need to be internal internal chaos Right. We saw that with the Bolans. They ended up selling they ended up selling the franchise

But if there's not chaos like I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale Jared Jones gonna have that in his trust that the Cowboys are never to be sold Now matter what he's gone, I mean hey, I'll be a saiyan. But like Mike Brown, that's it. His dad started that franchise after he got out of the Cleveland because he started the, that's where the Browns get their name from. And now he went to, you know, Art Modell, get their name from. And now he went to, you know, Art Modell, we fired him and so forth. So Mr. Modell bought the team. And then he started the bingles. Me personally with y'all, I don't believe they'll sell it. Yeah. No, they wouldn't. But it's just a thought. It's just a thought. Listen, where I was drafted, where I created, I left my footprint, my stamp, and just

created, I left my footprint, my stamp, and just knowing that I could just, just being an owner of the place where I played at, it would be, it just. Maybe they tell you a minority share, maybe they sell you 10, 20%. Because it's just hard for me to see, like even though I think she just passed Virginia McCasky, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who founded the Bears.

Bears, right. They They only had one owner. The Steelers and the Rooney's. The Steelers have owned since 1933. Now, there was one year, I think, the McClatchys owned it, and they ended up getting it back. So, the Rooney's have been, so basically since 1933, okay? You got the Maras and the Tish's. They co-owned the Giants now

It's look like they're they're willing to sell a minority state, but yeah No controlling aspects. So basically, you know, you're gonna get you'll get some money But you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations or coaches and hiring and buying things like that So I'm looking at that. Go ahead. I Like that. I don't need I don't need no say in day-to-day operations. I want to be in the war room. I want to be in the war room. Listen, also I have an eye for talent.

I have an eye for talent. I know what things need to look like. Listen, I just want to get my suggestions. Okay, I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my bangles pinned. I want to be on the golf cart with Mike Brown when we go to training camp. We're watching the players, you know. What you call it? What you call it?

In the owner's meeting? Yeah, owner's meeting. I'm at the owner's meeting. You know, nice in my suit and in my tie. What else? NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad, you know. I got my stopwatch

I mean, yeah, but most of the only owners there is Jerry and I don't even know that Jerry showed up this year Did Jerry go to the combine this year? Normally owners don't know they send the general manager. They send they send Personnel things of that nature, but that's me. I want to be hands-on I want to I want to be hands-on. I wanna be hands-on. If I get any type of minority share of the bangles, God willing, if God wants to bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere, listen, I know, Mike Brown, Katie Troy,

if this happens, please allow me to put in, and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing. The fans would love that. Yeah. Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning Napoli. Takes a lot, bro.

It takes a lot of brain. And then having some, a piece of the Miami Heat too. Mm-hmm. Woo hoo hoo! Hey, and then you know what the good thing about it is? What's that? Someone like me, if I was able to attain that type of wealth, I'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change.

Wouldn't change a thing. I'll still be the same, the same, same old old chum. You need to find me, I'm at McDonald's. You wanna find me, you can find me at the Cuban spot. You know, just doing the same thing I always do do I like that. Yeah, I like that from from my mouth to God's ears Yeah, you might better hope maybe by the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another to you know have somebody. Yeah Get a want to start another franchise, but it's hard Right is you're more apt to get somebody to move then they make an odd number 33 because you got 32 teams and you got

14 divisions so that seems to be NFL kind of seems to be set Well, it looks like if anything the NBA will add two franchises one in Vegas And it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost the super sonics and you got Vegas They got a football team. They got a soccer team. I'm excuse me They got a hockey team Baseball is coming in a couple years. They got a WNBA squad so they'll have to make the four major sports

They'll now they get a basketball team and it looks like that thing will go for five six billion dollars Whoa? Yeah, I got coach on the way. Can y'all hear me? Yeah, we got you coach. You got us? Yeah, I got you. Yep, I got y'all. Okay. He's about to jump on. Okay. Hey, excuse me, sir, what's your name? Kirk. Kirk, I fucking love you. Yes sir. I love you. Fucking love you too. Appreciate it. Guys, we're getting ready to get joined by, head injuries, not Robb. He was one of the great players in NBA history. He's all well on his way to being the guy that talked about.

He was the second coming of Magic Johnson. A big point guard, not only could score, but he could facilitate, here he is, one cent himself, Mr. Penny Hardaway. Penny, you got us? Yes, Kirk's trying to get it right, my man. Kirk was just on. There it is.

What's up? What's up? What's up? Man, we good. We good. What's up with y'all, man? Hey, you still, Penny, you still owe me a one on one, man. What's good?

Hey, Ocho, you can get that right now. Okay, let me know. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do for you. I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna spot you five, you hear me? I appreciate that. I'm gonna take those five. Petti was a four-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection, and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers. Petti, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State. You feel comfortable with what you've been able to,

your team going into this game, because you know, it's one and done now, Penny. It ain't no, hey, we get ready, hey, we gotta go back to work the next day. You lose this game, your season's over. Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man, but this is what you want when you, you know, this is what you live for.

When you're an athlete, you live for these days, so we understand the magnitude of this man, but this is what you want when you know, this is what you live for When you're an athlete you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on. We understand that they're really good team But we are also you know, and at the end of the day, we got to come and compete They have a great offense and they play physical on defense All that, you know goes along with March Madness man. We're ready for All that, you know, goes along with March Madness, man. We're ready for it. Yeah. Hey, I'm gonna talk about your NBA career real quick. Looking back at your NBA days,

what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach? Looking back at my game and how it inspired me as, I'm sorry, I say that again, which I'm not gonna. Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court back then? Yeah, that inspired your approach to the game as a coach at their Memphis was just kill mode, you know for me

I think I did on the floor was kill mode. So I coached that way I put that battery in the back of my guys back and you know, I'm their biggest fans I push him out there and give him the confidence and say hey man be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game Y'all y'all both were the same way, man. You just gotta, when we were, when y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every position was to kill the dude that was in front of me. You're right. Yes, sir. Penny, let me ask you this, Penny, because I ask a lot of great players, you know, had Isaiah on and I have Coach Prime, who's a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you, even though you weren't, you could see things before they develop. How do you have the patience to realize that,

you know what, these guys probably not gonna be Penny Hardaway. How do you have the patience? Because you tell a kid something and then he F it up. You go over this in practice and he F it up. You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went went over this How do you have the patience to do what you do penny? Man, it's just one of those situations that we say back home was already understood and have to be explained I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me. So I it didn't have to be explained So what I do is I put them in positions to win

Offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group So it's all about team and then their individual to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively. So it's all about team and then their individual gifts that they have, I put them in those positions to be great. And that's the best thing to do. For me, I know when I played, I was God gifted. I could play all over the court. The coaches gave me the ball. But this guy might need a spot up. He might need a pin down. He might need to play out of close out. This guy might need an ice hole. So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths

and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game. And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win. See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players weaknesses and your strengths. Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level if players or not players if coaches, offensive coordinators understood what their players did well I think will make things much easier you know being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your players strengths so everyone could play so

offensively everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality as a coach Yeah for sure man, you know because all the scouting reports are gonna put them in their weaknesses So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in a stretch The NIL or whatever the case may be Actives or whatever whatever the case may be it's made a lot different more difficult Because penny you can't get on a coach and coach Your kids like they coach you or like you want to coach because if you get too hard on them penny They go jump in the portal on you. How do you make sure you're trying to like make a kid understand or get a kid to understand?

Son, I'm trying to put you in the best position that I possibly can to help you succeed Without them taking a fist to it and going somewhere like with eight. I'm not getting the minutes that I possibly can to help you succeed without them taking a fist to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need. I'm going here. Or somebody coming in and saying, son, hey, I see you and I can give you 250, I can give you $300,000.

How do you deal with that now, Penny? Cause it's a lot different than when you played. I think that, you know, what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me and when I give the guys the money right when they come in as a basketball player I'm gonna try to make you as comfortable as possible but then you got to give me something as well. You know the work coaches to play for are

the coaches that are they gonna come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right? So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ocho, I know who y'all are already. I'm gonna put you in this situation and we're gonna have a partnership. It ain't gonna just be all about me.

And when you do that and you stand on the truth of everything that you tell this young man, then they respect that man. And respect back to goals a long way. You know when you respect your coach, you don't want no butthole coach, you don't want no butt hole coach. You don't want no coach that's gonna be all about being anal all the time,

being negative all the time, and not really trying to see your side of things because in today's game, you gotta see the other kid, you gotta see his side. In our era, the coach said what he said and we just did it. That was it. Yeah. Yeah.

But let me ask you this. What happens when a player comes to you and say, Coach, I need more minutes. I ain't getting the minutes or I'm gonna have to leave. If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes. Wow. So I'll stand on the truth.

If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and putting the work in. We need to work on the unre car I'm required hours as well Not just coming to practice and think you're gonna get shots up But what are you doing to affect winning positively not negatively you're affecting the winning negatively Because you're not coming to the gym. You're not watching film You're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready stand ready

So you don't have to get ready a lot of these guys come to the gym during practice They might make a couple bucks, but they don't sprint the lane. They don't get a stick hand up. They don't take charges. They're not playing tough, multiple efforts. And that's what's going to get you on the floor with me. If you're not on the floor, then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're needing you to do. And we give it to them in black and white.

We have non-negotiables. These are non-negotiables. If you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level, you can't get many minutes. And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level of where you can do those at a high level. Now, with coaching that way with that type of transparency, do the players react well like that as opposed to, you know, you got to think about this today, today's era, everybody is getting participation trophies. They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of, even when

you're not doing things the right way. Do they do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency? They react well to the truth because I love on them as well. You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you. If you're ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you're ready to watch film, I'm ready. I'll take them out to lunch. Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand I need you, but you got to do your part too. You're just not going to be given this. and I know what what Shannon said that they'll transfer but when you have that bond and you give them opportunity you meet me halfway I'll meet you halfway and you stand on the truth that truth is everything they respect

that more I've had the guys respect that more. You've been in Memphis now for seven seasons at any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach? No, not really. I was gonna be in TV. I was gonna go to ESPN, TNT and do that thing I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all Obviously I had the background, been a point guard, understanding the game and I've always loved teaching and developing players But never thought I was gonna be a college coach and developing players, but never thought I was gonna be a college coach. Would you? Hey. Go ahead, don't you. Now I'm gonna say that I like the fact that you transitioned into coaching and obviously you might have wanted to do

TV with as much knowledge of the game that you do have, playing it at a very high level, being very successful at it, and now coaching, like are there any unexpected challenges you have being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level? Yeah, because you, you, you don't, they don't see it like you. You want them to see it like you, but it's also a challenge to me to, to develop and teach until I get it. That's the, that's the drive for me, right?

Right. That's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in June to be ready by the time the season starts and as the season goes on to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player because every kid that comes to my team that's been a good player somewhere else, they become a great player here because I'm so invested in each young man on their skill set, their mental off the the court things, it's a full-time job it's not just being a coach. Petyr, when you shot Blue Trips, did you know much about Shaq and what did you expect to

come out of that movie? Did you ever think like, damn, man, I sure wish I could play with this fella. You know, we had an Olympic festival, it was like North, South, East, West teams in the summertime. It was held in Minnesota and Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half a summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit. But Blue Chips, I used that platform to show Shaq who I was.

The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie. Okay, okay, okay. I like that. I like that. I did that every day. Peter, have you ever thought about, man, if my knee, I think you had a knee issue, you tried to come back, you ended up having, did you end up having a microfracture on that knee? I did. The microfracture took me out. I had seven knee surgeries altogether, but the last one was microfracture, that was me. Same knee, left knee.

Is that, and if I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone, they drill into the bone, try to let it drain, try to make it, let it heal on its own. And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had microfracture. I think Bruce Smith had microfracture and they've had eight, 10 plus years of great of great play you it kind of robbed you of your lift and now you got chronic knee problems

Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end? You know, I didn't but the thing that was so crazy is was I was playing in Phoenix and we were playing the Lakers Okay, you know like a corner championship in 02 and I was playing with the Toro Maniscas. I tore my Maniscas in the first round against San Antonio and I kept playing and I got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the playoff. Seeds, okay. You have to play it, yeah. And y'all know how that is, right?

I do. So I was in full pain and I was playing with the Toro Maniscas and Tim Duncan, who was much smarter than me, he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested and you know what happened after that His greatness or whatever, but it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series I still was I had spring I had quickness if you looked at that series that has about 20 a game We took those guys to six games and obviously lost. After that, I didn't need the microfraction. I just needed that meniscus area to prepare. And man, I got that microfraction.

That took me out because I still had bouncing sprain. Even though I was feeling some pain, I still had my quickness. I still had my power. After that microfraction, man, my quad depleted and I never got my quad strength back like ever. Yeah, that's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries, is the surrounding muscles. Is that to get quad strength back, like ever. Yeah, that's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries,

is the surrounding muscles. Is that to get that strength back, and people realize that, oh, my knee feel good, but if that quad, if that hamstring, if that calf, if those attached muscles, if they're not, it's not gonna fire, and it's not gonna be, your stability, that's your stability, to be able to sustain that up down,

because you're doing this every night. Back then, Penny, y'all played at least 75 games. It wasn't no low management. Where you take 15 games out, you miss 15, 20 games. You missed 15, 20 games, you were injured. It wasn't no, aw yeah, Penny got the night off because he doesn't play the back to back. He gonna play three games in a week

so we will get Penny the next game off. There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all, but the biggest thing about me, I was gonna play for my fans. I knew people would come to the game to see me so I wouldn't miss no games. I was really, really hurt.

Coach, I like it, I like it. I had to ask all my good juicy questions, but I'm just ready for this one on one, but that's it You grew up in Memphis you played at Memphis you coach in Memphis Is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis? Man, that'd be tough. That would be tough I mean not everybody know I bleed blue man, and it got kind of rocky last year

So I didn't know where it was gonna go. But honestly, I wanna win a championship for my city. I really do. You know, if something comes about, you know, we'll cross that road, but everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart, man. Right.

Ben, tell the story how you got the name, because I think you told the name, your grandma was calling you Pretty, and they thought you said Penny. And so, tell the story how you got the name. I was living with my mother until I was five and then my mom left me with my grandmother. So when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood, she used to call me pretty and with her southern accent it sounded like Penny, honestly.

And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. And she she was like there's no Penny that lives here and I was like grandmother that's me and that's how it just stuck from that point I just started letting everybody call me Penny. See now we understand now y'all understand why Glowrilla how she sound she from the same day. And don't miss my girl Glow. Yeah Glow. You from the same area as Penny. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro. Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament.

And when you cut down the nets, come back and join your boy. I will. And we're going to get that one on one, Ocho. I got you, baby. Man, I salute you, baby. I appreciate it. Hey, one more thing, Penny, before you go, I need them Galaxy phone posits. I know you got a pair.

What size? 12. No, 13. I got you. Got that coming. 13. 13. You got that coming. You got that coming. Let that go be there. So long as I get that on I got them out. Appreciate it Penny. Take care bro. No doubt. Alright. Peace. Mr. One said himself Penny Hardaway great do-man Ocho. I don't know like how many people remember watching Penny play but he was a wigger with the basketball. He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson, a guy that was six, seven and a

half that could score. He could score the difference between he and Magic. Magic Magic can score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball. And could play with his back. But he was a big guard like Magic, Magic six, nine, Penny six, seven. We hadn't seen point guards like that that could handle the ball like handle it. And then think about him and Shaq. Him and Shaq. In the pick and roll, the lob, Penny getting downhill, can finish at the rim. Everything. He had the mid-range. Had a nice float game. And

that Andrew, like you said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up. They ended up doing Microfactor and he never recovered. He never recovered, Ocho. God, man, I hate Andrew. You know, sometimes guys get surgery and you're like, damn, guys have back surgery. Look at Gronk. Gronk had a back surgery in college. Went on, had a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had Microfactor, Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had Microfactor.

They played another eight, nine years. Penny, it was downhill after that. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah, I think about some of the injuries, man, to some are great, some are great, me, where they weren't able to finish their story. Penny Hardaways, the Peter Wargs. Brandon Roy, Greg Olden, there was some guys, yeah.

Like so many dudes, and I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing. It gets better every year, Ocho. So they could finish their career the way they should have, because injuries have robbed us to some great stories, Uncle. Gale Serres. Some great unfinished stories.

Because you know back then, Ocho, they did that big surgery, they split you had everybody. You remember, I remember when I first got into the league, they had that big scar right down the middle, that big zipper. But now to take the incision are so small, they don't got the way they could, they take part of your patellar tendon and repair it. They do cadavers, they do man technology, medical.

Modern medicine has improved so much. I mean, normally if you had an Achilles, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence. Now guys come back stronger, better than ever. Like, hold on. Cause look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL

Surgeons and came back and played 15 16 years went to the Pro Bowl was I think a first or second team Hall Pro man, it was you know when you look at it, oh Joe, it's uh But to watch him cuz I'm old enough to remember I remember met Memphis I remember him going to uh to Orlando because they made the swap. They traded Chris Weber, Orlando got back to back, number one overall picks. And they ended up trading Chris C. Webb, he ended up going to go, if I'm not mistaken, thank good, goes to Golden State.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. who the goat is on the Monroe St. Brown podcast. Oh, it's the St. Brown podcast, but let's take a listen to what he had to say. Okay. So LeBron's the goat to you? Yeah. So can you tell my brother why he's better than Kobe and Jordan?

He's 6'8". Okay. He's 2'60". That's fine. He plays the one through five. He's not playing the five. He's not guarding a center, but go ahead. He's gone to three different organizations at one.

Everywhere he goes, he's had a new coach that he's taken to the NBA finals. Coaches don't matter that much in basketball. Keep going. Who would the only coach Michael Jordan won NBA championships with? Yeah, one coach. Bill Jackson. Coaches don't matter. He played other, he played with other guys.

He wasn't always six years in 91 to 98 in the NBA, man. He played 15 years, man. Like there's a toy where he was getting bounced in the, in the first round. Right ninety eight in the NBA. He played 15 years barely. There's a toy where he was getting balanced in the in the first round. I'd record the finals when he was 21 and college. The Bron was carrying his team to the NBA finals. Year four, carrying the Gauss kiss to the NBA finals. Like, you say, but it's just for another time, brother.

You know, no conversations, Jordan, George, the most number. Anyway, we'll move on, bro. Yeah, nothing to say bro. No conversations. Jordan's the most known bro. Anyway, we'll move on bro. You can't talk basketball if you guys don't know basketball. Hey listen, when it comes to stuff like that, when it comes to topics and conversations about who the goal is in different sports,

I think it also comes down to preference because then, obviously you talk to people like you who can get very detailed and bring up numbers, you use statistics people like you, Unc, who can get very detailed and bring up numbers. You use statistics and opinions, and not opinions, but actually facts to support your claims on who the goat is. Now, when you do that, obviously,

LeBron runs away with it. But then, I hate the comparison, and comparison is a thief of joy. Yes. When you talk about your Kobe Bryant, you talk about your Michael Jordan, you talk about your LeBron James, we talk about some of the greatest that ever played a game and at that point it becomes preference regardless of what they've done,

regardless of accolades, regardless of how many rings you have, it comes down to preference. When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, you know who's the best, it comes down to preference because you can nitpick and bring up numbers and bring up trophies and all this other stuff, but when you look at the greatest and what they've been able to accomplish, and they're so far ahead of everybody else that played the sport. There have been thousands and thousands of basketball players.

There have been thousands and thousands of soccer players, but these two are the Mount Rushmore that have played the game in the history of the game in general. I mean, I just, I hate the comparison. You know, how about we just enjoy what they what they were doing their time. That's too easy.

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since he'd likely make more elsewhere Yeah, man, listen one thing about it that language that language always get tricky where That language that they put in there it always get tricky and the way you just said it listen, I'm Hey, I oh man. I don't even know what to say He wanted I don't even. I'll help you out. He wanted to be there. Cause this is a bulldog contract. You know it, that's why you speechless.

Yeah, I just, listen, man. He wanted to be there. Yeah, listen, I'm happy to pay him a bill. I can't be mad anymore, Joe, because that's his decision. He wanted to be there. He wanted to play with Joe. He wanted to play alongside Chase. That's the only team, that's the team that drafted him

and he felt some sort of loyalty. But everybody that heard what I just read, y'all know that contract is bulljacked. But that's what he wanted. So I can't, oh Joe, we can't be mad. That's not us. I don't know who your attorney was, but my agent would have never let me sign this contract.

Oh, my oh, I had you. I had the shark. Okay. I had you. I had you. I had you. But listen, I'm gonna be happy for him. Regardless of what's in that language, the band is back together. Yeah. I don't like the business side of things, don't. That's why I was so passionate about it from, you know, when we were talking about it when I was on ESPN. When we on here, you know, we talking about it. I was upset. I didn't like the first time they tagged them. I told you because to me, it was a slap in the face.

Now for the people that are part of the Bangles organization, the people that are fans of it, I understand the business side of things. That's the side I don't like. Because when you tagged me, they let me know you don't value me long term. You know what? Normally when the team tags you, you know what? We betting against you, even though you're a part of us. I'm betting against you.

That's what it tells me. Again, I love my bangles. I love the fans, but the nature of the bidders is the one part I do not like, which is why I played the game like a little kid, because I want to make sure I kept it fun for me so I didn't have to worry about that side of it because that side of it it gets nasty. Read what you just wrote, chat you just heard it. I don't like that side of things. I like the fact that the band is back together. I like the fact that he got his money. Now with the language that

I just heard ain't no telling what's gonna happen. Ain't no telling what their plans are after this season. So I'm gonna leave it at that. I ain't gonna say no more. I'm just happy my dog got his money. You hear me? He got some money. He got some money. But like I said Ocho, for me I said, oh Joe I I For me, I can't be mad Yes, sir Because that's here. That's his decision and at the end of the day the agent can put forth is like, okay This is what they're offering. This is what we're gonna counter back at. Hopefully we you know, this is here this they're here We're here. Hopefully we land here

Yes, you know you want to try to pull somewhere to the middle Ocho. But at the end of the day, this is T's decision. Because at the end of the day, the agent works at the behest of the player. Yeah. Team has their negotiator, player has their negotiator. You get in, I don't wanna hear anything. Cause you know, a lot of times the agent shield you from all the negative stuff they're playing.

They're, I promise you, they're seeing a lot of what people say he's a number two He's not a number one blah blah blah rock is shielding him for that. But hey, right Hey, they said look they they want to play We're just trying to get to a number that that yeah They can digest and and it fits under the cap while giving you the money that you that they feel you deserve Right while being able to go out and get other players also. So I get it. Like I said, I believe T wanted to be there.

T gave them a discount. Chat, like I said, Ocho and I don't really need to add anything else about that because at the end of the day, this was T's decision. And at the end of the day, Ocho comes down to T. Yeah, listen, listen, we gotta get it done. Long, he's happy. I talked to him. He's happy. You know what you get. You got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Top three, right now. You know what you get.

But we gotta get it done. I'm talking about, we gotta get it done. You're a bingo fan. I mean look, you played there. There's a sense of loyalty because you played there. You played there for a better part of a decade. And so a lot of your roots people associate you with being a bingo. Yeah, you had the one year in in in in in New England and other things. That's not where they associate you. No, they're not. You didn't have a career. It's funny, it's like... I ain't never seen anything like this.

But people associate Peyton Manning with the Broncos. Even though he played the largest part of his career. Oh, Joe, it didn't. He played in Indy. He played 14 years, if I'm not mistaken, in Indy. He played 4 years in Denver. And more people. He lives in Denver.

His home base is in Denver. more people he lives in Denver yeah his home base is in Denver yeah you see him talking about Denver you see him at the Denver games the only time I've seen him go back to an indie game and Chad y'all could correct me if I'm wrong is when they put the statue outside of him in front of Lucas oil other than that things at the Bronco game Hey, whoa. Hey Matt speaking of hey, I got I got a question. Yes. I Want me a statue right there from the Paycore Stadium dang I'm not doing me I know I don't got nothing to do with you. How much you think it costs for me to put it out there They ain't gonna put it out there. I mean we know I'm gonna put it out

No, I'm a I'm a put it out there. I'm gonna pay for it and just put it out private property Huh? That's private property Who property belong to? Mike Brown What it may I am part of the family let me tell you something if I if I had a knife right now And I was a cut if I was if I was a cut my wrist right now You know what color you know what color I believe? black and orange.

Chocolate, black ass. But, matter of fact, hey, Mike Brown, Troy, Katie, Duke Tobin, I'm going, I'm gonna wait till everybody's going in the middle of the night. I'm gonna put my own statue out there, about eight foot tall, eight foot tall, with me toe tapping on the sideline. I think the people of Cincinnati would love it.

Wait, Denver, we got a monument park where all the guys that have their numbers, not numbers retired, but have their name up it, in the ring of fame, you're in the park. Okay, I don't wanna be in the park, I wanna be right outside the stadium. You can come by, you could rub my head or something. For good luck before you go into the game.

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