Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Deebo vs. Ocho, Luka/AD trade, Jey Uso joins

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top pop culture moments of the week including Ocho wants to fight James Harrison, the Dallas Mavericks trade Luka Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis, WWE Royal Rumble winner Jey Uso joins after ELIMINATING John Cena and much more!03:45 - James Harrison vs. Ocho?23:33 - Luka traded to the Lakers38:24 - Jey Uso joins the show43:00 - Is the trade a wake up call for Luka?50:00 - Jamal Crawford weighs in on Luka trade(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's really going on? I'm making sure he good. You want to coach? Do I want to coach? I do not want to coach unless it's my kids. I would be willing to do that if it was my kids, but to put actual- Damn, Coach Frank. Time.

To put actual time. You understand the time that goes by. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I would be willing to do that if it was my kids but to put actual You understand the time that goes into it Yes, a lot of times a lot of time that goes into it like for me as a player I put a lot of time into it But as a coach you're putting even more time to it, you know And that's not something that I'm willing to do my love for the game It's not it's not that great, especially, you know, if I'm playing it, I'm willing to do. My love for the game, it's not that great. Especially, if I'm playing it, I'm gonna give you everything I got.

I'm gonna be there from dusk to dawn. I'm gonna do everything I need to do, take care of my body. But just coaching it, I don't have that love for me. And then you know what it took to be great. And then you coach and you see guys, who are jiving around. Listen, that's something that I would have a hard time with, especially when you're looking at what they could be

if they put in the time, the effort. And that's not just on the field, it's in the weight room, it's in the off season, especially now where you don't have much practice and all that. You got a lot of guys with all these soft tissue injuries. They want to point to the field, the turf and all that. What you need to point to is guys aren't training like they used to. You aren't putting those forces on your body in the off season

or you're not getting it leading up into the season. You only got three games. Guys play 20 snaps for the whole preseason. And then week one come and you're like, Hey, give me 100 miles an hour, 65 plays. And you wonder why dudes are tearing and getting all these soft tissue injuries exactly because they're not preparing their body to go out and play a season. When I train my hardest thing was the off

season. Like I put in more work I put in more strain on my body than I did in more work. I put in more strain on my body than I did in any practice. But that's the thing though, because when you look at it, we played in the preseason. You might only play 10 pre-snaps in the first game, and then you went to 20, then you went to the half, maybe a series into the third quarter,

you were off to fourth game. Third game, you got three quarters. That was a three quarter. That was the actual game. And then the fourth game you didn't see nothing. That's who they trying to figure out who they go keep, who they gonna get rid of, the guys that are on the board. The key guys don't play any season. Yeah. And then you throw him out there and you say, Hey, give me, give me 65, you know, 70 snaps at a hundred miles an hour. Yeah.

And you wonder why the body is breaking down. It's fatigue. Yeah. The more tired you get now they're dehydrated. You're talking about 10% less here 10% less here of what they can output, but they're trying to force their body to give it something has to give and it's usually soft tissue. I like it. What's next? It's early it's early in the year. It's early in February 2025. We got a long way to go. What's next for Divo? What's next, man?

I've been trying to get into the acting thing, but they just really don't mess with your boy like that. You know what I'm saying? You know what happened. You taking classes? I'm taking, I'm good, man. I'm real good. I'm trying to tell you, man.

Check out Heels, I'm good. Now I was actually on a whole series now. Check out Heels, it's on Netflix actually. But I think I might've upset them by not taking that shot. So I rejected the- Poke. Yeah, I rejected that. So I was out of it when they mandated.

So you wanna do that? You willing to relocate the Cali? Why I gotta relocate? That's where the gigs are. I understand, I can come out there and do the gig. I don't need to live here. But I need, but I need, like, see I gotta call you. See, I need to, hey, James come in and get his read for this part of the day.

I can send you the read. All you do is tell, send me, send me what it is you want me to read or record it. Nah, nah, nah, you might be splicing. They need you in person though. I ain't willing to move like that. Man, you try to be a superstar or not? You try to be the rock or what?

Yeah, you can be in that truck. No, I can be far better than the rock. I just ain't got the opportunity. I like that. You see what Mark Rock, Rock Moody Kelly. Rock Moody Kelly. I'm not moving Kelly, man. The traffic is horrendous.

Stay away from the four or five, you'll be fine. The traffic is horrendous, man. Go to the valley five, you'll be fine. The traffic is horrendous, man. Go to the valley. The cost of living is out of control. True. Man, you know what I could get in Pittsburgh for what they want in LA? Yeah, I know.

I get half the city. Oh yeah, for what, for what, a house cost out there? Oh yeah. For sure. No question. Man, they think you the Rudy's. For what you build at Pittsburgh, for what you play for at Cali. Absolutely.

But I thought you were using the fight. Into the what? The fight game. No, I'm not really into the fight game. My son is into the fight game. Like what you're fighting like with Fizz? MMA, yeah he likes to do MMA. How old is he now?

17. Okay. But I ain't letting him do nothing to spar. Why? Because he got a gang weight to play ball, so that don't. I ain't got no weight, I'll spar you. Anytime man. Not for real.

What about that, Debo? Oh I'm dead to you anytime. Nah, he think it's a game. This shit different over here man. Hey, you sweet on that. Nah, he think he think is a game. This shit, this shit different over here, man. Hey, hey, you sweet on that. Hey, you know, you know, you know, it's funny is after I did my exhibition, right? And I had a few, a few fights, a few local fights in Miami. Yeah. My hands are registered now.

They registered with who? And I have with Vegas. I had no choice but to register. What you mean? You know with who? Stop playing with me, man. Fuck. Come across this table, cross your head. Boy, oh, man. All you need to do is swing.

I'll take everything else. Really? That's it, man. Really? That's it. You on a boxing match or MMA? Oh, I'm MMA all day. I don't care.

He can kick all he want to. I don't need to kick. What you going to do? All I need to do is grab you. You ain't going to grab shit. They got to beat your ass. You got to beat my ass. I'm going to choke the life out you.

They're going to have to choke me out to get you a leg go. So hold on. Hold on. Help me understand something to choke me out to get you to let go. Help me understand something. You tell me we get in the octagon, right? Me and you get in the octagon. Understand? Are you gonna run? No, why the fuck?

Run from who? Did I run from you when we played? Did I run from anybody when we played? No, it's no different. I had the same mentality. So we get in the octagon. We'll make this happen. Hold on.

We get in the octagon. You tell me you're going to try to grab me and you think you're gonna be able to do so Understand as quick as I am with these feet understand these hands you gonna grab me listen man fighting you would be like fighting my son You know practice. Hey, can you do me a favor? Yes There's God is my will please make this happen. So we gonna make it happen Hey chat y'all wanna see that y'all wanna see MMA all your'all wanna see MMA, all y'all against D-Bow. Fight of the century. Please do.

This way, this way. For one, listen. People in the chat, he's too slow, too much muscle. I'm finna dance around that shit. I'ma hit you in your head. I'ma hit you when I want to. I'ma play with you. Peezy.

I'ma beat that. Hey Peezy, I'ma, listen man. Hey Peezy, hey Peezy. He's talking about he's gonna win this MMA. Hey listen, I'm gonna take,, man. Come here, Peezy. He talking about, he's got weed in his mouth. Hey, listen, I'm gonna take, hey, listen. Listen, Peezy, get up here now. Get up here, man. He up here talking through.

He beat his ass too, I don't care. It don't matter. God damn, bro. Peezy ain't got it like he used to. Hey, hey. Hey. That was trippy. What's up, bro?

What's up, lil' man? No, hey, man, he talking about, he talking about whooping ass. Oh, for the whooping ass in the game? What you mean, what's the difference? Hey, listen, just because he's sitting here, just because he's sitting here, my tone don't change for nobody.

It don't need to change, man. I'll beat your ass and I'll beat his ass. It ain't happening, bro. It ain't happening, bro. Ochoa say he won't, he won't, he won't, he won't do both in the MMA. He will be in MMA. It's still Chad, you know what I mean?

He always go talk crazy. Nah, but you know, but listen, it's one thing about talking, but you know I'm gonna get in there's still Chad. You know what I mean? He always go talk crazy. That ain't go shit. But listen, it's one thing about talking, but you know I'm gonna get in there and thump. You're trying. I'm gonna thump. What you gonna try? It's gonna be a try.

I'm gonna beat his big ass, man. Stop playing with me. You 100 what? How much you weigh? 205 right now. Maybe go pick that little shit up with one hand. How you gonna pick it up? Cause he gonna pick that shit up with one hand.

How? Y'all couldn't even touch me when I played. What make you think you gonna touch me now? I couldn't touch you when you played. I swam you on your head, on your neck. Do it now. Do it now. Do me now. I couldn't touch you when you played. I slammed you on your head, on your neck. Doing that. Doing that. Doing that.

On your neck. Look how he still lifts in a different way. I still lift in a different way. Not like that. They different. They still different. Nigga just big, man. I don't see that stick, man.

Hey, man. Y'all got me fucked up. Nigga, beat your ass. What? What? Y'all talking? Run it. Stop playing with me, man. You playing got me fucked up. Nigga, beat your ass, what? Run it. What? Run it. Run it. What's?

Man, stop playing with me, man. You playing with me, man? Run it. I got these. Hey, I'm putting on my body. I ain't. I'm putting on my little depot. How much you got?

Let me put on my little depot. Man, the way my body set up, I can't do no helping. No body. You betting against me? Yeah. Hey. Hey. Hey.

All right. You can invest. You can invest with me. Hey, you think she is sweet, boy? Oh, I don't think she is sweet, man. You know where I'm from? Hey, we're going to make it happen. You think she is You can invest with it. You think shit sweet, boy? Oh, I don't think shit sweet. You think shit sweet? You know where I'm from? Hey, we're going to make it happen.

You think shit sweet? Are y'all playing or are you for real? No. No, no. I'm just kidding. Where am I from? Where am I from? Where am I from?

You think you want MMA? Man. We're going to make it happen. You know, Ocho be really believing what he's saying sometimes. Hey, hold on. It could be outside. It don't matter. Wherever.

No, we're going to pay for that. I'm talking with. Wherever, wherever. No, we're gonna pay for that. I'm done with you wherever, boy. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm done with you wherever, boy. You're not gonna mess up no money. Fuck wrong with this nigga, man. Baby, right, I'll beat his brakes off his ass. Oh, who?

You! You talking about brakes? This ain't no car, nigga. You! All right. What we gonna do is that we gonna be advertising sponsors. How the hell I get called up for this conversation? What we gonna do?

You're too slow, you're not quick enough. I have a skillset that I've honed over years that you ain't gonna be able to deal with. What? Absolutely destroyed. All right, okay, okay. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna be honest with you.

You fast. Quick. Quick, you all that. Hands, I got ground game, what, what? You and I have to. Stop with the wrestling. You not gonna wanna grab me. Stop with the grabbing.

Stop it. Stop with the grabbing. Stop it. Stop with the grabbing. Stop, man. For real, let's be honest. Let's get T.O.S. out. Let's get T.O.S. out. Stop getting run like you in a car with no license or insurance. Stop with the grabbing.

Get in the run. You know he don't want to get in the grabbing game. I know he don't. I know he don't. But this is what I'm more worried about. I'm more worried about he might eat that little shit you throw at him. No, forget what I told you. He ain't conditioned like I am. No, I'm not worried about he might eat that little shit you throw at him. No, forget what I told you. He ain't conditioned like I am.

No, he gon' be tired in two seconds. He gon' try to throw a punch. You gon' try to throw a punch? You said MMA. He's not grabbing me, stop saying that, before I hit you in your mouth. He said. Don't say that no more.

How the hell I get on this? I was walking by, now I'm about to get hit in my mouth. Boy, God damn. Because y'all are disrespectful. And y'all think they can look at you. Hey, you don't have to see the APs. You know I can't see North Hills. Hey, interviews forever.

I don't like that people look at size, and they determine wins and losses based off size. You saw David and Goliath. Remember that story, right? Man, that was the Bible. Remember that story? Remember what happened when I did it? You ain't in there.

You ain't in there. Don't do that. Don't try to paint yourself up to beat David. You read the Bible? Yeah, I read, but you ain't. Do you read the Bible? One of us is David. Do you read the Bible?

Yes, one of us is David. Star reading, because you gonna need that, nigga. Boy, you good. I ain't gonna need it. You're good. I thought you was good back then. I thought you was good back then. You know what?

When you started, you know what's going on. No, you ain't got a bad eye. I ain't been around you in a minute. Hey, Chad. You better listen to me. Chad, Chad, listen to me. You know what? No, you ain't been around here a minute. Hey, Chad. You ain't got better. Chad, Chad, listen to me. You hear me? Hey, Chad, listen.

No. Listen, let me talk to you. Let me talk to you. He done got good. He's good. No, this ain't no joke. I'm putting him under no deep on him. Y'all take my life for a joke.

My life ain't no joke. All my kids, I'm going to fuck you up. See all that? All that, all that's going to be crazy. All that crazy. I'm going gonna bust you in your mouth. Call me up, I'm like, oh Lord, what's going on? What's this? What's this?

I put that on my kids. You know how I play by my kids. I got 200 of them. I got you. But you good. Boy, you good. I'm gonna show you I'm good. How you really good?

In the octagon, I'm gonna show you I'm good. Hold on, you ain't gonna. Oh my God. What you gotta do? You got something to say? Listen, man. I accepted my Lord and Savior in August of this? Listen, man, I accepted my law and savior in August of this past year, man.

I was baptized. You were? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, mine went off. I had to get baptized. What you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said I was going to do. Of your character, right?

No. Listen, man, I think I might, I've been trying to hold this thing inside of me for a long time, because ever since I got like fined by Roger Deo for 75,000, I've been wanting to kill somebody. I think you might be the person. I think I've been brought to you. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Whatever you want to do. You know, matter of fact, if you beat me, I add a 75,000 to your purse if you beat me. How about that?

So you get your money back. That's how serious I am. You will give me that. I give it back. I might as well just write that right now. You got me fucked up, man. How can I get involved in this? Y'all talking about making some money. Shay, when we come in here, where's my part? Hold on, I got to tell you a part. You're going to be the nigga cut man. All right. I ain't going to work that day. Do my check come whether I do nothing?

Hold on. So hold on, I got three. Because I walk down the aisle, I'll bring him out. Hold on. So you don't believe in me. You don't believe me. I believe it. And you talking shit.

What you think? OK. What the hell I look like believing in you going against me? You got life all messed up. I don't care where you from. I'm from Akron, Ohio. That don't mean nothing.

You from where? Akron, Ohio. I'm a big boy. Akron, right? I'm from Akron. Yeah. And you're who? City. Who? Dade County. I don't even where you from. I'm from Akron, Ohio. That don't mean nothing. You from where? Akron, Ohio. I'm a beat the brakes off your ass. I'm from Akron, yeah. And who? I'm from Filly City. Who?

Dade County. I don't even know where that is. I know. Oh, you don't know. It don't matter. You're going to know when I lump your ass up, bitch. That ain't good. You ain't going to be pressing me to lump up.

All right. All right. Wendy, Wendy, how did I get into this? When did something be able to talk like that? You know what? When did that come out? Matter of fact, I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are.

I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. I'm doing too much talking. Let's just set the shit up, man. Run it. When you want it. Tomorrow. It don't matter. We can do it now. We can do it now in front of everybody.

It don't make me none. It don't matter where I'm at. Run it. You better run it. What you saying? Hey. Run it. All I need you to do is swing.

All I need you to do is swing. I'll take care of you. We got six bucks. I'll take care of you. We got six bucks. I don't trust him and then the deal. We got six bucks. All right. I don't trust him. Huh? You playing?

I don't trust him. If you see him, if you see him, you save the bill. No, no, no. Listen, I'm trying to tell you, he's that pit bull that, he's, sit down. If you get close enough, he gonna grab you. What? He should have pulled you down, right?

He said what? I pulled you down for a reason. He said what? I pulled you down for a reason. This nigga's fat. We got six bucks. That's reason. Hey, we got to say you are playing. That nigga's fat. I'm not playing. He's dead ass.

Oh yeah, I'ma say it up. Hey, Peezy, we got this. It's me. Oh, we gonna make some money. Talk about he's serious. What you think I am? Playing. I ain't playing.

Did I play with you on Sundays? Yeah. He come to me and said, Peezy, exactly, we about to fight before the game. I said, nah, man, they gonna throw me out for real. I ain't got time to mess with you, CJ. Like, I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man.

I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. He comes to me, he's like, exactly we about to fight before the game. I said, nah, man, they gonna throw me out for real. I got time to mess with you, CJ. Like I'm a B, he pull up with his shirt, roll up, come on man, let's get this. I said, nah, man, they gonna throw me out for real and you gonna get to play. But it's the thing, this ain't football anymore.

This is real life. But now you good. And you tested my manhood, and you're disrespecting me. Are you gonna, no. Okay, we'll me. Are you gonna, are you, no. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. How much time do you need to get the knee right?

Oh, I don't want no excuses. That's gonna be his first excuse when he lose. Oh, my knee was messed up. Oh, my knee was. I can do that right now. I had a meniscus. I had a meniscus. I'm here until tomorrow.

Y'all bring me back. I'm here until tomorrow. I gotta go run and do my thing. Oh, my knee. Hit me back. I need some more of this, man. I need to get my content out. I'm here till tomorrow. I gotta go run and do my thing. Oh my knee. Hit me back. Oh. I need some more of this, man. I need to get my content out.

I'ma beat that nigga ass, bro. I tell you what, man. You give it time. Whatever you need to do, Shay, give him the time. And he gonna need to gain some weight. You might wanna give him the whole thing. I don't need to gain no weight. I don't need to gain no weight.

I think six months would be good enough. Can you be ready in six months? I can be ready tomorrow, man. No, we need time. We gotta sell this. What shit? Now you quiet. Now you quiet.

You quiet. Soft ass. Soft ass. Soft ass. Soft ass, you soft, boy. I see through all that shit. I see through all that muscle. Shit ain't about nothing, boy.

You got the right one. I'm going to. You got the right one, baby. What they say, I'm gonna try to see what they say in the chat. Cause uh. I beat the chat ass too. See man, listen.

We gonna have to listen. I'm tired, I'm not listening. Yeah. I'm Helen Keller. Don't talk to me. You're trying to make me laugh. I'm not trying to make you laugh. Laugh I'm Helen Keller. Don't talk to me. You're trying to make me laugh. I'm not trying to make you laugh. Laugh for what?

Cause whatever you smile, we're gonna be missing. Come on, bust your ass too bad. Okay, all right, bet. Nah, nah, you gotta get it. Bet. You got to get it. Hey, he asked for this. He asked for this.

Oh, I'm gonna get you anything you looking for. March, April, May, June, July, August. I think August would be about the right amount of time. I don't need it, I'm good now. You better talk to him. Hey Ryan, I'm gonna fuck be about the right amount of time. I don't need no, I'm good now. You better talk to him. Hey Ryan, I'm gonna fuck him up. Lies. Alright.

I got Debo chat. That's fine. I want you to better get it because my teachers in high school said the same thing. They didn't believe in me and look what I became. You did. Look where I'm coming. You did. Ass, who you got?

Debo. Okay. Aaron, who you got? Debo. Okay. Aaron, who you got? Debo. Thank you, thank you. Somebody that believe in me. That's an Ocho's producer, Aaron. Unfortunately,

Put all your money on him too. James Harrison, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us, Debo, man. Appreciate it. Hey, get right, D-Bo man, appreciate it. Hey, get right, get the knee right. All of us, we got this. Listen. Get right.

And. Yeah, I know, I know. I ain't lying, man, this is gonna be the easy. I thought playing football was easy. Okay. That could be the easiest money you ever made. Okay. Ever made.

We'll see. You know the money right. Yeah, we'll see. The money gonna be right. We'll see. Yes. That's how I know he gonna get his ass whoop cause he worried about the money.

No. I'm going in for business. You going in for business? I'm going in for business. What you doing after the show? Huh? What you doing after the show? I'm gonna go to the French Quarter and smoke a cigar.

You wanna go? Tell me where you going. I'll meet you there. Okay bet. We can take care of it then. I just told you, I just told you. I'm gonna be in the French Quarter smoking a cigar. Okay. So you, I just told you. I'm gonna be in the first quarter smoking a cigar.

Okay. So whatever you wanna do. Right, we got our next guest coming to the stage, Ocho. Hey. I ain't even shaking your hand, go on here, yo. I don't need to shake your hand, what you talking about? I'm taking these off. All right, bet.

Bet I see you, bet I see you. Hey, I got Debo. Oh! Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards,

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I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it. And the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

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Seven years ago, I came here as a teenager to pursue my dream of playing basketball at the highest level. I thought I spent my career here and wanted so badly to bring you a championship. The love and support you've given me is more than I could ever dreamed of for a young kid from Slovenia coming to the U.S. for the first time you made North Texas feel like home. In good times and bad, from injuries to NBA finals, your support never changed. Thank you for not only sharing my joy, our best moments, but also lifting me up when I needed it most. To all the organization I work with throughout the Dallas community,

thank you for letting me contribute to your important work. Join you in bringing light to those who need it. As I start the next part of my basketball journey, I'm leaving a city that will always feel like home away from home. Dallas is a special place, and feel like home away from home. Dallas is a very is a special place and MAF fans are special fans. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Luca 7-7. I like it. I like it. I like it. He's remaining very very very professional. Obviously you don't have a choice at this point. You know whatever issues were going on behind the

scenes. It had to be agreed. It had to be something so bad for them to trade someone of that magnitude that is that great. You know they were just in the the finals last year. They were just in the NBA finals last year. What's the average? What's the average again? If I'm not mistaken, you know the number better than I do. Well, he averaged like 34.99 in the regular season. That's crazy work. 34.99 in regular season.

You take your team to the NBA finals, the following season, they traded. Yeah. And not that you asked, not that you asked to be traded. Ocho, people are dog and Nico. Luca became the first player to lead the playoffs in points rebounds assist and steals last season. Yeah, that's crazy, man.

That's what I kid. That's what I kept selling. Mark. Hey, it might have some hey, it's my you know what, I don't wanna say none, cause I don't wanna be rude. Listen, and this is what I told Jamal and y'all heard it, in order for you to train a player like this, in his prime, given to the accolades,

five times he been a first team all-pro in his first six seasons, the behavior, the attitude had to be so egregious said we're done with yeah there's no getting through to him and I believe what what what Jack was saying is that the coaches I believe they've tried I don't believe it's a lack of effort that they tried but you've got to want it as bad as I want it for you. Because if I want something more than you want it for yourself, you're going to win out because it's you.

You know what you want. You know what you have to do because guess what? He wanted to be an NBA player. Ain't nobody had to take him to the practices. Ain't nobody had to do what they had to do. He did that because that's what he wanted. If and when Luca wants to get in shape, if and when Luca wants to take his condition serious, if and when Luca want to eat,

right? That's what he's going to do. That's what he's going to do. It's just like anything. When a person makes up their mind, they got a they got an addiction or something when that person makes up their mind. See, we create our demons, only we can chase them away. If and when he wants that to be an afterthought. Cause right now, how do you want it to be? You want it to be your story or you want it to be a footnote? Cause you get to determine.

Wait a minute, but you think you slick now, hold on man. Hold on, hold on, I got to use that. I got to use that. I got to use that. I get a prime example. You heard what Jokic put up those numbers, but Jokic said I was fat. I was out of shape.

So I stopped drinking soda. I cut back on sodas, dropped weight. Now he's a three time league MVP. Sheik is going to cut. It's right now it's him and Sheik Gilgis. Sheik, I would give Sheik a slight lead. His team is better. He's putting up phenomenal numbers, and he's going to shake it's going to cut it's right now. It's him and shake you just shake. I would give a slightly

his team is better. He put the phenomenal numbers but go look at your numbers and look at what he does on a nightly basis. I need you to listen. I know you I know you're not a record player but I need you to rewind that footnote that footnote

quote again that you want that to be your story or you want it to be a footnote in your story? Because the thing about Ocho is like, it's our career. We get to write it. We got the opinion. Right. You get to write the Ocho story. I get to write the Shannon Sharp story. But that was a good one.

Like I said, everybody knows how I feel about Luca. Luca, my guy. I gave him the name Baby Bird. He's like I said, when LeBron leaves, he's going to probably be my favorite player. No question about it. Because my favorite player was Larry Bird. He's the closest thing for that type of player that I've seen the bird. And I just I like I like like Jack said, Ocho. He cost himself a now he was eligible to get 345. Now the max he can

get is 229. That's real money. I mean, yeah. I mean, you gotta think about it, huh? And listen, what can you get with 345 you can't get with 229? I want that. number three forty-five. You would have been 30. He'd have been eligible to get 400. Another one. That's crazy. Maybe more. That's crazy. But this might be a wake up call. I hope so. Sometimes it takes something like this. Sometimes it takes something like this. I wouldn't say humble you. Maybe humble might be the right word because we don't know what's

going on behind the scenes. Obviously, you're not being humble if they're willing to trade you at 25 with the type of production you putting up. This might be a humble moment. And I hope it pisses him off. Yeah. Because you might get a different Luca. You know, a pissed off Luca might be worse

than the Luca that would chill and drink and beer, you know, playing around. The man had a 60 point, the man had a 60 point, the man had a 60 point, 20 rebounds, triple double. Man, stop playing. The dude is, but see people, Ocho, when you in the profession, I keep telling people, but they tell me, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Y'all listen now, people will tolerate you until they can replace you. It can be sports, it can be in a relationship. Treat your significant other like crap and let them run across a person that'll treat them better. You gone! Oh, let me do it as long as I'm doing my job. That's not the way it works. Now if you want to be however you want to be, create your own company and you create a dress code. You create coming to work doing however

you want to be but as long as you punch that clock for somebody else, literally, figuratively, you gotta do it. Ain't no way other way around it. Ain't no other way around it. Ain't no way around it. Y'all get mad all you want to but I'm just telling you the facts. Yeah. And people that don't understand that you have to ask yourself

why don't they understand it? Why don't they get it? 25, five time first team all NBA and they say nah, we good. Normally guys at that age when they get traded they requested a trade right They requested it He didn't request it. He didn't know anything about it My antenna perked up when Rick Carlisle wouldn't sign an extension

Do you know? Normally coaches get fired. Doug Collins got fired. I'm trying to think who's his first coach? Who's Doug Collins first? Was it Raptory? Who's Michael Jordan's first coach? But normally, if you get a guy like that, you don't not sign an extension. You don't resign. They fire you because you're not getting the job done. You don't walk away because you know how hard it is to get a guy like that. Right. Kevin who?

Lowry. Yeah. The writing must've been on the wall. Mr. Carlisle saw it, you know? And he didn't want to deal with it. I mean, as a coach, how does that really affect you if you have a player? It's difficult now.

What he's doing on the court? How could you still not want to be there because of that? They're going to... That's on... I hope he gets it. I hope he figures it out, Ocho. Yeah. Because the talent is there. There's no undenying it.

But Ocho, I mean, it comes here's the thing, Ocho. If you exhibit this and you making 35 million, what you gonna do when I get you 70? Yeah, you know what happened when you give me, you give somebody more money. You know what happened when you give somebody more money. You know what happens.

And so they just like, I'm surprised they didn't. But I think the thing is, Nico, like he had a relationship with Rob Palinka. As you heard, I think that was a either Jack or Jamal said Rob Palenka was Kobe's agent. Nico Harrison used to work for Nike. So there's a relationship. This didn't get out. See, if you open it up to other teams, Ocho, it's gonna get out. The reports are Luca is being shot. Reports are AD is being shocked. You see now, you know what? Oh Joe, I'm glad this happened like this. Now y'all see when they start reporting stuff,

they ain't making it up. So y'all quick though, media made it up. You see how it didn't get out because ain't nobody wanted it out. Yeah, but you know why it didn't get out? Because there were only two teams involved. The Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers. And nobody wanted it out. Oh yeah, absolutely, because I guarantee you,

they kept it between two people. Mr. Nico and Polinka, I bet nobody would know about it. No, it's reported that Mark Cuban didn't know about it. It's reported that Jason Kidd didn't know about it. Anthony Davis didn't know about it. It's reported that uh, uh he's like, you know what? We want to move him, but at least move him to L.A. Because everybody's over there with the coffers. Everybody open it up. What you want? Yeah.

Give us a D in the first round pick and Max Christie. That's it Okay, okay, bitch bet Bet But uh Hopefully Luca Guess is going to get conditioned guess is heating eating habits under control takes it a little bit more serious Look, oh Joe.'t never gonna be able to sit down on the chair.

He ain't gonna be Kobe, he ain't gonna be Jordan, he ain't gonna be LeBron or Kawhi in their prime. That's not what he is. But he's great at what he does. Ocho, you can't just open the door and let the man come in the house and then talk about, hey, man, he robbed our house. Y'all should have locked the door.

Bro, that's your guy. Right. That's your guy. Right. That's your guy. But I hopefully he figured this out, Ocho. Ocho, people are dogging Nico Harrison for comments he made earlier. Let's take a listen. And I'd like to give Rob Pelinka a lot of credit.

Trades, you guys have been around here. Trades don't happen at the smallest level without stuff getting out. And Rob and I were able to have, you know, really intense conversations over the course of, you know, three or four weeks. That started out as a coffee that, you know, was more, hey, would you ever, I don't know, would I?

Let me think of, you know, and then it built upon that. And, you know, we kept it between us. We had to, we had to keep it tight. J.Kid didn't know about it, but J.Kid and I are aligned and we talk about archetypes and we talk about the culture that we want to create. So I know the type of players that he likes without actually talking to him.

Hey, would you like, you know, so I know that. And J.Kid coached them when they won the championship. So I think when you're aligned with your coach like that, I know the type of players that he likes. And so I felt good about it, it making sense to where we're trying to go. How does it? Ocho, the mere fact that you like,

hey man, would you, Ocho, if it ever comes up, man, would you cheat on your wife? Would you cheat on your girl? No, I was just playing, I was just playing. You already put that thought out there. You thought about it. You thinking about it, Ocho. The mere fact, hey, would you train Luka?

I don't know, what? Nah, I'd die, man, I'd die. I wouldn't train on Luka, man, nah, I'm done. I'm done. I went to a little bad style. Stop. Yeah. Hey kid like, uh, don't speak for me. Hey kid. Like, okay. I don't care if he 300. All I know is he gave me, he gave me 30 plus nine and eight. Every night. But here's the thing, that's how it doesn't get out. Oh Joe, normally two people can keep a secret, but one normally has to be dead.

Yeah. Because the more people you tell, and then there's a chain that you don't know where the breach came in at, because you done told so many people. What's been your favorite celebrity coming to ring that you've been in the ring, you have a celebrity coming there,

you're like, man, it's pretty cool. This all right here. Man, I can be honest, man, Lil Wayne. Really? Like, yeah, man, come on, man. Man, I love him, come on, man. We listen to him, we listen to him since he's coming up, you know, the Carter one, you know, Lil Wayne,

like, the Carter one, come on, man. The dope part is when I first started wrestling, me and my brother came out to go DJ, like that was our walkout song, and you know, in the little independent scene, and just to have him and you know, in the little independent scene and just to have him, you know, walk me out at a big WrestleMania on stage and fire. It's like full circle. Yeah. Hey, you know what I know what it feels like, dude, to have your name called out for me,

just to give you give you perspective to come out that tunnel, you know, and they call your name when they announce the offense and they say, Shannon Sharpe, but they say Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson and 80,000 people, dog, 70,000, 60,000, whatever it may be, are screaming your name. And the fans have embraced you as the main event Jey Uso. How does that feel, dude, to hear those chants

and see the crowd rally behind you? That actually has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world. Man, come on, Ocho, yes, man. I appreciate that view. You know why? Because we're the only few that can see it from our eyes. You know, because the rest of the world is looking at us.

I just told my son, I said, hey, I bought him in the ring after. Wow. Man, man, man, oh sure. Hey, hey, yeah, hey, I said, I told my son last night, man, I started, I started, I said, hey man, because he knows what to do.

Like he has it, he has it. Man, I bought, I was like, man, you, he, cause he knows what to do. Like he has it, he has it. Man, man, I bought him in the ring and he had the people like this. Like they was going with him. I wasn't doing that. I was, but I'm telling him, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, in the ring, you know, I'm like, hold on, hold on.

Wait for the beat to drop. You know, now I'm like, okay, go. He's got, he's got C.I. He's got 60,000 in his hand. And I was just sitting there like this. And he's over there, he's over there. Man, but I told him when he was about to go to sleep, man, I told him, man, last night I was like, man, son,

you, did you, what does that, how'd that make you feel? Like, did you see all those people? He's like, yeah. He's like, man, they're like, like dad, like, that's that make you feel? Like, did you see all those people? He's like, yeah. He's like, and they're like, like dad, like, that's a lot of people. I'm like, they was looking at you though, you know? Wow, man, it's just a different, I appreciate it though. Like, I wish, I wish my messages to the people,

I wish you guys, I wish everyone could experience that, what we get to experience, man. Yeah, man, because that's kind of why it keeps us lit in the game. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback, Matt Castle, every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle.

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Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Cole, one more question. One more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part, as far as Luke is concerned, how is he going to react? How is he going to, is the trade, this is a wake up call. Is he going to fold? Now two things can happen.

Most of the time, you think your player, you're sitting on top of the world. You feel like you're invincible. You know, you're making good money. You're one of the best players in the NBA. Now all of a sudden you get that call. Oh yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now what Luka are we going to get from this point going forward?

Are we getting the pissed off Luka? Or are we getting a Luka that that's gonna fold under the pressure? We don't know that Luca that you're talking about folding under the pressure. All he's done in six years is be great. Be a generational talent. He's been special. What just happened? He got traded.

Exactly. Now getting traded can do something to your mental now. It's special. It can do something to your mental. I'm talking about the different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas knowing you that guy is different. can do something to your mental now. Special. It can do something to your mental. I'm talking about the different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas, knowing you that guy is different.

I agree with you with certain dudes, but I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England. He's Tom Brady in Chapel Bay. Luca Notches, we're not gonna cheat his talent and his level of greatness. He's a special talent. I believe it'll elevate him conditionally wise

and the fight, youally wise and fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that's a hero of his that he looks up to. Now LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times, but one thing he does is take Kevin body and he's an all time great. He's a special talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches, he's gonna make you better. And Luca Donchers will be a better conditioned athlete and a better defender competitively speaking, because of it because of being around LeBron James. That's

one thing LeBron James will bring to the table with without a doubt. But you know what, Jack, I had a guy to tell me one time, he said they'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Profession, Luca is a professional basketball player. It seems to me, Nico Harrison had a problem with him being a pro, which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't, it had to get to a point, Mark, and you know this, having played, Mark, you played 17 years?

Yes. You played 17 years, you coached in this league in order for you to trade a generational talent because we've never seen it happen before. At 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no other way around it Jack. There's no other way. The behavior behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no other way around it, Jack. There's no other way. You're right. That 25 year old generational talent, we've never seen it before unless he asked to be traded.

That's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be traded. He said he wanted to spend his life as a Dallas Mavis. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and make the trade and pick up the phone and call it Los Angeles. I don't know what it is, that'll come out at some point.

It'll come out. But if it don't come out in the wash, it'll come out in the rinse. Yeah, he's too great of a player that you just decided to pick up the phone. No, I can handle the, think about it. When it's like a defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's like a defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's like conditioning overall,

the dude was still a five time first team all NBA player in six years. Yep. So I'm gonna live with some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just gonna pick up the phone on a random day and call the Los Angeles Lakers. So it's something that pushed the button

to make them make this call. But Jack, my antenna raised where Rick Carlisle wouldn't sign the contract extension. You know how hard it is to get a generational player. They don't fall on trees and a lot of coaches never get an opportunity to coach a generational talent. Rick Carlisle didn't accept the contract extension and he had a 22, 23 year old Luca. That should have raised the antenna. But Rick really raised my antenna when I heard Nico Harrison say, culture.

When you hear that Jack, I know your antenna raised too. Because we see this with Zonion, we believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. We see that with Joel Embiid, we believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe that with Joe Ellen Bede. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe, I believe it is my estimation and I'm just looking at this from a distance. I believe the Mavericks believe that Lucas conditioned or lack thereof his training, his eating habits play a role in those injuries. And I got to give you 70 million dollars this summer

in those injuries and I got to give you 70 million dollars this summer for the next summer for five years oh no Jack I can't do that. Oh I could do it. Oh no. I can do it and you would do it too. The guy the top five player in the world there's no question about his ability. The thing I got a problem with is we compared them to Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time staying on the floor. That's not Lucas' issue. He plays her, he plays Hobble, not 100%, doesn't take care of his body,

not in the best condition physically, he doesn't come in shape and can't, but he plays, he loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of games. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus, it's how we act on the plane, it's how we act in the locker room.

We don't know that story. I'll give you an example, Jimmy Butler. Report come out, Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for an hour while everybody wait for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler, that's on me. I'm not waiting an hour for nobody. That's what happened?

The plane is taking off and we're leaving Jimmy Butler. If you wait for Jimmy Butler and you're setting yourself up for disaster, you're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No, we're going gonna set the tone right away we leaving this guy and if he shows up to the game, he shows up to the game, we're handling that. But I don't- What kind of president are you sitting with Luka?

When you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training properly. The dude is averaging 30 and nine. He's the best player on the floor every night. So you gotta find other ways to push the button to get him to respond. You gotta pull him into office by yourself

and talk to him. You gotta pull him into office with Kyrie Irving. You gotta pull him into office with the GM. You gotta pull him into office with ownership. Bring in some former greats. Bring in Dirk Novicki. Whatever trick you gotta do to push the button. Dirk's there!

No, whatever trick- He sees Dirk every day! Whatever the trick is you gotta do to push the button. Dirk's there! No, whatever trick- He see's Dirk every day! Whatever the trick is you gotta do to push the button, your job, my job is to find that button and push it. Because he is great, and he's an all-time great. But I wanna put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not like this, these guys you had to talk up to be great. When he walked into this league, he was great.

You don't have to hype him up and talk him up. He was great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room. He just lost $117 million, Ocho. Basically one year. Can he get it? It cost him $117 million. Now, if that don't get your attention,

it should have your undivided attention. Now I don't know where y'all go. Who makes $117 million a year? Maybe some CEOs, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, the state. I'm not going to let anybody get out of detention. Now, I don't know where y'all go. Who who makes 117 million dollars a year? Maybe some CEOs, maybe Christiano Ronaldo, maybe Mbappe. Yeah. Maybe some of them but ain't a whole ain't a

whole lot of players making 117 million in salary. Uh Jamal. And you're going to do a California taxi. Now, you got just think about it. You could have been in Texas, no state income tax. It's 13 and a half percent in California. I don't know if you notice anything. So 40 million, they gonna take 13 and a half percent, that's 10, so they gonna take four million,

the lower the three, so they gonna take about six million from you right there, Ocho, on 40., listen, let's say he missed out on 117, right? Whatever, whatever you miss out. What let's say he gets this together, get this stuff together, gets on the right track. It's a possibility he can recoup that money on the back end and the next deal. It all depends.

Hold up. He's a big enough superstar that he can have, he can have deals outside because he projects That's one thing he projects globally Right. So yeah, he can make that much but you can't make up what you miss. It's kind of like time Because yeah, let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh Joe. He signs this deal with the Lakers So 117 minus 345. So he gets 228.

228, 228 good money. But just think, same, Jamal, you remember when Boogie, Boogie missed out on what, 200 million by getting traded to the Pelicans. And then he gets injured. Never saw a payday again. See, that's the thing, Ocho, you see, we're under the assumption, and we hope,

we knock on wood, that nothing happens. But when you're continuously overweight, you put stress on your body, your body ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being trying to go up and down that court on a nightly basis, Jamal. You know, at least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week when you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you trying to play in 260 something got to give Ocho. Something got to give. Yeah, you got a Ferrari and you keep hauling logs on top of it and you see what happened to it.

That's like Ocho, talk like you gonna play me when I'm going to be drinking coke. You can't play me. You can't play me. I'm not saying that. I mean, hold on. You gotta understand. I would go on five for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and a Coke. So having to deal with you at my age with the skillset would never happen any injuries.

That's easy work. No, see, you was doing that at 25. The fries and stuff. Listen, listen. Age ain't nothing but a number. The man created that. Oh, I know. I'm sure he'll be there for you now. That's easy work. Now you see you was doing that 25. AJ number to number they the man created that. Whenever you ready, I'm here. That's all I got.

Let me ask you a question, Jamal. Who do you think won the trade? I think Dallas won the immediate future. The immediate part of it. I think the Lakers won the future product. And the reason being is, and he will, but it's not Peter. And as you know, like we've seen sometimes when he's in his fault and he's played games over the last few years, but he's going to have a different workload now. You like you

say, he's going to be a ball, picking roles a lot with Kyrie. Uh, Luca, that's a great transition from LeBron to Luca as a future superstar. Whenever LeBron, he's gonna be involved in pick and rolls a lot with Kyrie. Luca, that's a great transition from LeBron to Luca as a future superstar whenever LeBron decides he's had enough because you gotta have that role. So I think both sides wanted it, it was just so weird. The weirdest of it was everything because I just, who would have guessed it? Could you imagine me as such right now? No. Or Boxer train Tatum or Demeter between joker it was just as shocking.

That's why I so, but I'm gonna tell you something else. I think there's gonna be one, at that level I think there's gonna be a shocking trade that happens over this next time period. I promise you. I think something's coming. And if you look at what Minnesota gave up

to get Rudy Gobert. Yeah. Dallas didn't want but one first round pick. I'd say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick swap in between say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick swap in between and give me what you gave me. Yeah. Yes, that's how you gotta be

because this dude is each generation. Luke is so good at basketball, Luke will figure out the game a long time ago. When he's playing at times, he's not even playing against you, he's playing against your coach. Kevin Jokers got that quality, LeBron as well. Are you on this?

I got you on that. I want you on the coach. Okay, I'm gonna expose him over there. Like he's one of those dudes. The games, I've always said he plays like he got headphones on. Like he listens to Shaldey or something. He's so at peace with his game that it's crazy. But now he's coming over to LA so we gonna see.

I can't wait to see it. Three times six man of the year. The oldest man in NBA history to have a 50 point game, the only man in NBA history to have at least 50 with four different franchises, the one the only Jamal Crawford. Good luck next year in calling games on NBC Jamal. Congratulations. Job well done.

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