Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Deion Sanders pregame rituals, Sterling Sharpe proud of Unc, Cam Newton disappointed

Episode Date: September 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson discuss how they spent their bye weeks when they were in the league. Later, Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders, Sterling Sharpe, Cam Newton and more join the show!03:13 - How Shannon and Ocho spent their bye weeks in the NFL18:00 - Shannon wanted to finish his career in Denver. Shannon and Ocho discuss what coaching styles work for them.25:15 - Shannon and Ocho discuss NFL injuries30:33 - Not everyone is going to get along with their teammates in the NFL.35:00 - Shannon’s betting stories from his time on the Broncos51:14 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho on how to critic players in the NFL.55:30 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho talk what their pregame rituals were in the NFL.58:17 - Sterling Sharpe proud of how Shannon handled the Skip situation.1:04:53 - Why Cam Newton was disappointed Ron Rivera didn’t reach out to him about Washington(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They do, rightfully so. To whom much is given. Much is required. Yeah. And plus the fact the matter of, okay, that Black Friday game, we selling that to Amazon. Well, if I'm gonna spend $150 million, I need box office.

Yeah. Who's more box office than my homeboy? Okay. Netflix. They're streaming the Christmas day game. I need box office. Who more box office than my own boy? Yeah. And listen, also, and I hate to bring this up,

Travis Kelce is connected to a young lady that has an entirely different demographic and age group watching those games as well. Well, but don't bring that up, or they're gonna get mad at us. Nah, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. And she's made it her business to let people know

she will be at these games. Follow her man. She will be at these games. And what does that do? NFL follow the money. Come on now. It's chess, not checkers. Chess, not checkers. At the end of the day. Remember what their

bottom line is no matter what they tell you what they say. It's all about the money at the end of the day. So I'm not I'm not I'm not upset. I'm not upset about you know, that's tough. I mean that's early by week because you think about all those games that they're going to have on Black Friday on Christmas Day and and those Sunday night games. Yeah, the NFL could have done them a solid and put their bye week around week 10, week 11.

Yeah. I mean, my bye weeks when I was there always felt kind of like right in the middle, like week eight, week nine, Ocho. So, you know, I'm good. Yeah. I don't even know. It's so funny.

You know what I did on my bye week? Especially if we had a winning record. What is? My bye week, I ain't take no back. Man, I go play pick up soccer the whole time. Every year. Well, now Ocho, I think they gotta give you the whole week off.

Mike Shanahan want to give you the whole week off? Whoa, a whole week? Yeah to give you the whole week off. Mike Kenahan won't give you the whole week off. Whoa, a whole week? Yeah, they get the whole week off. When did, where that rule came from? I guess it's in the new CDA. Hey, that's crazy. I mean, a whole week? Man, we got,

Mike, you know, we go out there Thursday, like we might get, Thursday, we might get half of a Thursday. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then we had to be back Monday to work and be worked out by noon. Three days? Man, look here. That ain't no damn by week.

I'm just telling you what, I'm telling you what we had. I don't know. I don't know about all the other team. I don't know what the mother team did. I can't I can't speak to that. But I'm telling what the Broncos had when we were when we were there. Yeah, and I mean, I remember I remember clearly all my by weeks. I remember clearly all my by-weeks. I remember clearly all my bi-weeks and every time we had practice Monday, I think we practiced

Monday, I think we practiced Tuesday, and we'd be off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and we had to be back Monday. Man, that whole week, I'm in Miami, I never forget. I play soccer at KSP, Kendall Soccer Park. I play at Urban Soccer Five. At that time, it was in Wynwood. Man, I'm playing soccer the whole week. And then I come back Monday ready and back to football.

My shadow ain't wanna do that. My shadow ain't wanna do that. My shadow wasn't doing that. And it wasn't no situation. It wasn't no situation where like, hey, Mike, you know, such and such got the whole week. Man, man, please. He don't care, he don't care about nobody. What nobody else doing, huh?

Hell no, hell to the no. Cause he like, he gonna tell us, hey, what we trying to do, that is what they trying to do. Yeah, you can't bring your players into the ground, man. Man, please. Can't run your players into the ground. We're so happy about it. We're so happy getting off noon

because that means we can take the flight and you know, it's still two hours. Yeah. So, but you, at least you got Friday, Saturday. Man, you gotta leave Sunday night. See, you might as well not even leave. To be back, you can't chance it. I can't chance leaving Friday, Monday morning.

Yeah, and then try to leave. And be late and that plane, something happened to the plane or you can't chance it. I can't chance leaving Friday, Monday morning. Yeah. And be late and that plane, something happened to the plane or you miss a flight. Oh hell no, man might lose it, damn man. Y'all got fined back then? What? Yeah, the fines weren't that much though, because. I think like a fine might be like,

say a fine is like $2,000 Ocho. If you paid $1,000 in front of the team, he would, if you paid $1,000 in cash, he would reduce it. Yeah, in a thousand fly? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. And so it's the fact,

because here's the fact, you walking down there, so somebody, we might not know you was late, we might not have known you done something, but you coming down there to hand Mike some money, oh, we know you done F'd up. So that's kind of what it was, because it's kind of like the team know

that you let them down in somewhere. Maybe you was late for a meeting, you missed a meeting, but that walk-off, man, please. Like we had that walk-through, we had that walk-through we had that walk through, that walk through at 11 o'clock, man please. Man, they see Mike back, man, boy, you better not be late for that walk through.

Mike didn't play that. And then here's the thing, Ocho, you know the walk through. We not going full speed, but it's a nice speed now. It ain't no bull. Yeah, yeah. Man, Ocho, watch this. Let me take my glasses off, Ocho. Why them dudes start coming out there with Tims?

Come on, man. Come on, Ocho. Man. Man, come on, Ocho. Man. They had on Tim. Oh, man, them jokers coming out there. Hold on, it was cold, right? When it was cold though.

Yeah, but I'm just, Ocho, that's not the... Them jokers coming out there, they got the jeans on and they got sweats over their jeans. Jeans. Lord have mercy. Man, might call that thing up. He said, if y'all ever come out here like that again. Right.

I said, see, I knew y'all would go F it up. I knew it. I knew it. But they knew how Mike was. Right. Ocho, we got, we were having a practice. This was in 97. Anybody that was on that team, they could take Ocho.

We were about 30 minutes through from practice. Now mind you, we're already out there. We've already been out there about an hour and 15 minutes. Yes, sir. Mike started the whole practice over. The whole practice? The whole practice. And I'm talking about this snowing like a bee.

I'm talking about this so cold, old choke. Look, I don't know what happened. It was a team drill and I might've started it. You dropped the ball. I think I dropped the ball. Rod dropped the ball through a swing past the TD. He dropped the ball. Yeah.

Mike blew that whistle. Man, Mike blew that whistle. Start this dish over. I was like, okay, oh, so you know me, Ocho, you know, I'm like, oh, you know, hey, my bad, fella, my bad. So I was thinking, we about to start the period over. Right. This man start stretching and everything over.

Woo hoo hoo hoo. Bet I want to fight Mike. Yes, starting a whole mofo practice over. Look here, when I say Mike ran a tight ship and that foolishness, we didn't have no foolishness cause hey bro, look here, don't y'all mess this up. He done like, okay guys, if we do X, Y, and Z, hey, such and such.

Man, look here, hey, we got this up, we gonna do it. We gonna go out there, we gonna play it, we gonna practice our ass off. Don't y'all F this up. Yeah. Because we know we had, hey, we were a veteran-led team. Like Mike led us police the team we'll find all you young mofos up in this thing don't y'all mess this up man Mike started

a whole prank from stretching I thought we'd gonna go back to the period to start a period right right this man will start the whole mofo practice over and we gotta go stretch all over again I couldn't even be hot, cause I was so damn cold. Yeah. Man. Hey. Well, look here, and that's why Elcho,

and when I tell people the mindset that you have to have, that I believe you need to have, Mike ain't let nothing skate. Right. Like you drop a pass and like, the defense might do something, might blow it aside and defense also know Mike, we got it. Mike say no F we don't.

Run that again. Oh, a drop pass. Oh, that ain't sliding. Oh no, hell no. What? And so Mike was like Tom Cawson then basically. He didn't like, look, Mike was very, very like, his time like time was like,

the meeting starts at this time. Right. When Mike walked down them steps, don't you walk your ass in behind him. Right. So everybody was like, we understood. When Mike come in that room, everybody needs to be in their seat.

If you're not in there, you might as well just go ahead and chalk it up. Like I said, the one time I was late, I don't think he'd have known I was late. It just so happened I was off as a player of the week. And when he called my name, I didn't come down to get the award. Hey, I was at, I was standing outside the beat room looking at him like,

hey, but no, but you might, Mike, look, be on time. That was his number one thing, be on time. Practice start, I mean, meeting started this time, practice started this time, so forth and so on. That was really his only thing. And then he let the veteran players, he let us police the locker room. What was supposed to transpire?

Cause a lot of times Ocho, we put out fires before he got the mic. He didn't know anything about it. And I think that's where veteran leadership comes in at. And that's why you can never have a really enough of quality vets. I ain't like, nah, nah, nah. Get your ass in the meeting room.

Get off the phone. Your problem, you're on the phone too much. That your ass in the meeting room. Get off the phone. You're probably on the phone too much. That's why you're not playing. Talk about, man, they're messing over me. Nah, I pulled a film. I say, see, you messing over us. Right. Get in there.

But we needed that, Ocho. You need, until like you build a situation, Ocho, you don't really know what it takes to win until you in a winning situation. Yeah. And't really know what it takes to win until you're in a winning situation. Yeah. And you can say, that's why the 49ers had all that damn success. If you go back and look at the 49ers, you look at when Mike Holman got to the Packers

and they started to win consistently, you, I guarantee you, I can go, I don't really know how the Patriots did things, but I can tell you why they won. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, my time there with the Patriots, I understood why they won within the first week. Within the first week, Bill Belichick,

he ran a tight ship. Got to. No one had to explain what the Patriot way was and just the way everyone conducted themselves. And that's from the top all the way to the bottom. From the top all the way to the bottom, from the cafeteria to the training room. I like, oh, okay, now I understand. Now I get it. Now obviously 90% of that was also having number 12 and that key centerpiece at the helm of

everything. But man, unbelievable. I tell people all the time, people ask me, what was it like playing for Belichick? What was it like being on the Patriots? I say, listen, I never been to the army. Never been to the military. I'm not a Navy SEAL. But if I had to take a guess, the discipline instructor

that it takes to be in the armed forces, it's what it takes to play for the goddamn Patriots. Same thing, same concept. And I come to understand that Bia Belichick has a background, I think his dad was at the Navy, coached at the Naval Academy. And that is why he ran it the way he did. And that's exactly what that environment felt like. And see, that's why it never bothered me. My grandfather was in the military. So I understood what a structured environment was. And see, that's why it never bothered me. My grandfather was in the military. So I understood what a structured environment was. Oh, so you was used to it.

It didn't bother me. My grandmother, hey, when she said, be up at certain amount of time, we gonna go pick peas or we gonna hit these fields. Right. We gotta go pick up pecans or whatever the case may be. Right. All right, boys, such and such gonna come by tomorrow.

Okay, I already know what that means. That man coming by, he gonna pick us up at seven o'clock. That means you get your butt up, wash your face, brush your teeth, be ready to hit that truck. Right. I understood that. So it was never a problem to me.

Coach Reeves, he read Coach Reeves was a, I know old school Tom Landry, No bull jive, no BS. You jump off sides in training camp, you run a lap. Sometimes you make the whole team run. Hey, I can't imagine grown men running no lap, man. You can imagine it. You could imagine it, because it happened. I don't know if anybody's in the chat

that was on those teams. Coach Reeves, I was with Coach Reeve from 90 to 92. Go ask him. Go ask him. And you heard Ocho? Man, they put you on that UB. You ever did the UB where you paddled like this here? No, what's that?

It's a bike. But if so, if you got like a hamstring issue or something like that, that's how you get your cardio. Okay. Man, he ran me up out of there. Man, doing that with you for 30 minutes. 30 minutes? Man, you go all out for a minute, you break for a minute.

All out for a minute, you break for a minute for 30, man, please, Ocho. Oh, no. I came up with that thing after a day. I said, I ain't hurt no more. I ain't hurt no more, Ocho. Oh, no. I came up like that thing after a day. I said, I ain't hurt no more. I ain't hurt no more, Ocho. Hell no. I think sometimes, Ocho, what happens is, is that a coach has a perception.

When Mike was first there, Mike was the quarterbacks coach because he had to get to the Raiders. You know, he had to ball him out. He ended up coming back. He's the quarterback coach. So when he gets there, I'm mainly a special teams player. Right. He leave and come back. Now I'm the best tight end to leave. That's not how he remembered me. Right. So we kind of butted heads, but what he failed to realize what motivated me wasn't money. Yeah. I'm a praise guy.

Just tell him I did a good job and that's all I need to hear from you. Right. I don't need you to tell me, oh, hey, you know, hey, you can be this. You can make a lot of money. You know, you can do, I don't need that. Just tell him I did a good job.

84, we can win with that. I appreciate you get, that's all I need. And so once I left and went to Baltimore and when I came back, he's like, you know, you want to bring us in my own need to see look like I was in Denver. I know what the facilities are like. I know what you're like. I had to have a conversation with Mr. Bowlin. Mr. Bowlin had to say, look, I don't really put my foot down. But hey, are you coming back? I said, Mike, you know me, you know what I'm about.

Yes, I'm about business. I want to win. I prepare myself to win. I try to do a great job of getting other guys to get on board to buy in what you're saying, what you're selling. I don't need to see the facility. All I need to know, do you want me to come back? Because if Mr. Bowling want me to come back because Mr. Bowling want me to come back and you don't. I'm not coming. Right. I'm not. 84. We should have never let you go. Okay. Let's do this.

I had more money other places, but I thought it was only right that I go back and finish my career in Denver where it all started the right way. Yeah. I would have never been happy. Even if I took more money from Seattle, had the opportunity to go to the Raiders. It wouldn't been right. Right. Because in my heart, that's not where I wanted to go to the Raiders. It wouldn't been right. Because in my heart, that's not where I wanted to go.

I wanted to go finish my career in Denver, but I just needed to hear him say it. Right. Once he said I was cool, OK, let's do this. And plus, I didn't want to put my kids. My kids were still young. I had to get my kids to fly and travel. We cross the way across your honor from Atlanta,anta seattle by themselves oh no yeah and then even my mom because at that point in time my mom had retired so my mom would fly that my mom would fly from chicago because you know right uh but after 9 11 that stopped well uh uh that stopped but she was still because uh their mom would walk them through the airport, you know, send them down on a company minor.

But after that point, I would fly my mom there. They would walk them to the gate, then my mom would meet them at the gate, and then they would come to Denver, or my sister would do something like that. But yeah, yeah, you gotta just be careful. Hey, we was totally, we totally different too. Like when I think about it,

the coaching style that you like and you accept, like I was completely different. I like that hard coaching and based on where I'm from and where I'm raised, I'm kind of used to it with the cursing and that get me going. When I had you, me going. What? When I had you? Well, listen, when I had you, let me take my glasses off so you understand how serious I am because you know I'd be playing around all the time. When I had Hugh Jackson in Cincinnati and I wasn't playing up the par and he get the mother, he get the cursing, understanding that's, I know I can get Chad going with a motherfucker. What the fuck you doing? God damn it. Come on now. Let's go. Man, boy, you thought that shit just got just got me.

I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. It just got me got me going and got me motivated because I have lapses sometimes. Sometimes I play down to my competition. And all it took was for you to say something to me in an encouraging way, but just add a little curse word to it. You know when you cook your chicken and you add your seasoning? Just add a little, see, I see curse words

as sentence enhancers. And it just get me going. It's weird, it's weird. So I love and enjoyed that type of coaching because it made me wanna not only prove myself, but to make sure I don't embarrass you based on all the coaching and goddamn film study and meetings we done did all goddamn week.

Let me go out here and make sure I do my goddamn job. For me, Ocho, I never played down because I knew who I was playing. Cause Mary Porter was in air conditioned all of a sudden. Yes sir, yes sir, come on. And I got kids. Come on Nat, yes sir. And so that was my motivation.

You, because I looked at everybody that I faced, were you trying to get my grandma out of this house? You trying to get my kids out of these private schools? You trying to take food off their table? You trying to get Shannon to go back to Glenville with no running water and no end up. Oh no, bro. Yeah. You can see you and you thought completely different. That's the only thing completely different. Yeah. That's the that was my motivation from the time I can remember me and my brother talking about it when we were sitting on those pine trees, young pine trees are called saplings and we built many of them more folds over and my grandma said, boy, y'all just stop bidding them saplings.

Right. That's all we talked about. That's all I thought about. That was my motivation. And so every time I looked at somebody, oh, you try to get granted by the house. Okay. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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You could also find it on the talk and baseball YouTube channel and new episodes drop every Tuesday. I can tell y'all shit chat. We family, we family. And I don't think T would have an issue with that because what we talked about was positive. I mean, it was positive and he's going to do all he can to make sure he's out there, you know, for the Kansas City game. And I told him to be careful. I told him to be careful because there's some of you don't want to play with soft tissue

injuries hamstring groin calf. What else? Soft tissue quads, anything soft tissue, calves, ham, groins, adductors. Yeah, I told him, what you don't want to do is don't go out there too early. Don't go out there too early. See how it feels in practice. I say take a Wednesday off, take Thursday off. Don't even practice this week.

Practice Friday if you got to and then open up and see how you feel. If you feel like you can open up and you don't feel a little pinch or no pull. Yeah, no tug. You're good to go. You're good to go. So I think I think us for us, the Bengals in general, obviously, NT, I think we're going to be all right for some reason. You got to think we were two and six

under Zach Taylor, we two and six in week one. In the last ten games, two and six, week one. So I'm used to us always having a slow start. Offensively, we always start slow. I think we're going to be all right. And I bet with us emotionally against New England. Yeah, you did. You did.

You definitely bet emotionally. So, so right now, based on what I saw from the Pats, I think the,ats, based on what I saw from the Chiefs, I think the Chiefs might win this one. As much as I love my bangles, I think the Chiefs might win with, might win with, might win this one. If we have Chase playing and we got T playing, that changes everything. That changes the dynamic. Yeah, and that's the thing with, because the suddenness in which you need to move, you need to be able to start, stop, transition, get in and out of that break. And guess what? You gotta deal with people pulling on you too, huh?

Yeah. Gotta deal with people pulling on you too. Man, that was the only thing I say, guys, look, I don't mind you. If I break free from you, don't tug me. Right, right. Because I'm pulling the harder. I don't mind you if I if I if I break free from you don't tell me right right because I'm pulling the heart I you make me hurt you you make me tweak my hamstring and then I'm gonna turn around and swing on you so I go live so don't

know don't don't don't know that was my only rule oh Joe I look okay guys holding me trying to get off the line to get it because I know they go back there they let they held a shit at you, oh, excuse me. They held the crap out of you. Woo. Back in the 90s, man, they ain't call nothing on your man. It was literally a fight out there. But don't tug my jersey once I break away from you.

Don't do that, because you know, a lot of times it's the call, what we call like a slingshot move. I did it to a lot of D linemen. Like they get in front of me, I grab them and then pull myself, I launch myself in front of them. And now I'm in a position where I could block them.

And that's what DBs do. They would tug you and the next thing you know, they in front of you to knock the ball down. So that was my only thing. And it's tough. And I went through something very similar to what T is going through. Signed a contract in 96.

It was a three-year deal. Maybe the highest paid told me that hey Shannon, you know, you play like you play. We're going to tear this contract up. You'll never get to the third year. We will. We're going to extend it. Right. So 97 I come in.

Oh Joe 97. I come in first team all show 97. I come in, first team, all pro 1100 yards, lead the team and receiving 98 go in, led the team and touchdowns. Uh, uh, uh, first team, all pro again, no contract. No, they're not even talking about contract. Come in. I, I my adductor probably about 10 days before we got a report. Oh, Joe, man, that thing wouldn't get healthy for nothing. And so I deal with that all training camp and I managed to get through it. And I was able to get massages, got it worked on and it started to feel better.

Get off to a great start, Ocho. I think I got like, in the first three or four games, I got like 24, 23, 24 catches, cooking. Yeah. In that fourth game, Ocho, Darion Gordon, who's an ex-teammate of mine, did what we call teacups. So he catch me like this, I'm running shallow, and he tackled pin my arm. Yeah.

Broke my collarbone. Ah! Oh, you hit the ground. He put all that pressure on you too, huh? All that. It don't take much pressure to break the collarbone. And I knew it instantly. I knew it instantly.

I remember sitting up, Greek, I motioned the Greek to come Greek, I said Greek is my collarbone. He said, what you think happened Sharpie? I said, Greek, I broke it. He said, you think so? So he put his hands up under my pants. Yeah Sharpie, you're like, ah! Ocho, Ocho. There you go. Oh, Joe, oh, Joe, dad.

They missed the rest of the year. End up in Baltimore. Oh, Joe, there's a report that Justin Fields had a toxic relationship with Nick Foles in the Chicago locker room. According to reports, the relationship between Foles and Fields basically reached rock bottom after situations where Foles were trying to teach something to Fields, only to turn around and realize

that Fields wasn't paying attention to anything Foles were saying. According to report, Foles and Fields could not stand each other. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Listen, you, in the chat, in the NFL, listen, as much as you, you, you want to get along with everybody, think about where you work. If you work in the corporate world or wherever you work, you don't get along with every person

that's there. That man is in there to take your job. They are there to compete. Yeah, yeah, they are. You, you are there to compete. Everybody's not going to get along on the same team That's just the nature of the business at times What I'm better than you why are you sitting here trying to teach me?

Younger younger player listen to an older veteran who's been somewhat not somewhat not not really I don't want to call him a journeyman, but he being a played on a few different teams He has a Super Bowl win. Yeah, so I think there's someone you would want to listen to and Yeah, especially when it comes to playing a position quarterback because he knows what it takes to win because he has won before after taking over for Carson Wentz when he got hurt. Yeah. You know, but listen, at times you're just not going to like people. It's just the way it is. And I think it's unfortunate that it came down to this. I think it's unfortunate that it got out now that Justin Fields is gone and he's in Pittsburgh. So why now?

Why now? It wasn't an issue then, why make it an issue now? It wasn't such issue, but I'm disappointed that it got out because it makes Justin Fields like he's uncoachable. Like he's unwilling to listen to someone that's trying to help. And you know, look, when I was in there and somebody could give me some valuable information, that mistake that I made

is that I listened to the wrong person and he gave me the wrong route. And I went there red at full speed. Right. And coach looked at me like I was a damn fool. But that's my fault. Right. That's my fault. I think the thing is, Ocho, for me is that when I've always said that if I ever got in a situation, I say when I make the team next year, someone asked me something, I'm going to be able to give them the real information because I'm just, I look at it. You can't beat me. I'm going to teach you everything you know, not everything I know. So you're never going to be able to get beat this job. And I understand like when Ozzy made the move to move on the Todd Heat,

he had to get me up out of the Todd Heat, was never going to be able to beat me up on that job. Because I knew too much. I had been on, I knew all the tricks of the trade, I knew how to get open, no matter what the situation was. But my job was to make sure, and to Rook's credit, he hung on everything that I said. So I tried to make sure that the locker, the tight end room was better when I left than when I found it, same way with Denver.

I take it as an elder statesman, Ocho, that's my job to pass that information down because I had some guys that really helped me. And the receiver room, Mark Jackson, I backed him up. He helped me immensely. Vance Johnson, those guys really, really helped me when I was there. And so I really appreciated the older guys really helping me to try to get me up to speed because they knew if something would happen with them, I don't have to go in and play. Now what good is that? You don't help me out and I got to go in to play and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. That's a negative reflection on you. But I agree with you, Ocho, I don't like that this got out

because at the end of the day, you know who you're gonna look negative on. Because you got a veteran quarterback that's played a number of years in the league. And like you say, he did win the Super Bowl, he did go to a Pro Bowl, he once had a season with you through 27 touchdowns with two interceptions.

So it's like, man, he tried to help Justin Fields and Justin Fields doesn't, he's uncoachable, you can't help it. And it's so funny, it's always the black quarterbacks with stuff like this comes out. You think it only happened with them? I guarantee you it definitely doesn't. I think when Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were there,

I'm sure they were some of the same, yeah. Hey, it was some of the same issues, you know? I think it happens like that when you have two players at a certain position and you understand that if you're not playing well, the person that's trying to help and coach you could eventually be taking your job if you don't play up the par. And it just, it is what it is. Oh Joe, the friendly wager between LSU teammates, Jane, Daniel, Malik, and neighbors is off now. They placed a friendly wager, $10,000 bet, eat whoever would win off NFL's office rookie of the year Now I win the money but on Friday after neighbors attended rookie camp the Giants learned that the civic of the NFL's gambling problem

Excuse me NFL gambling policy. He revealed that the bet was off It is unclear if the bet would have violated the policy, but the two aren't taking any chances now The neighbor said I'm educated now and I got to be able to sports betting and gambling. So we're calling the bet off. There's no bet now. And no, sir. Hey, Malik neighbors, Jane Daniels, the bet is still on. The bet is still on.

Give me the money. I'm still a part, I'm not a part of the NFL. Well, I am, wait, nevermind. Let me take that back. Let me take that back. Bet is still on no matter what. Just put the money in my hand. Put the money in my hand and I'll make a decision

at the end of the season on who deserves it. Malik, you got to come to play, boy. You got to come to play. If you're going to outdo a quarterback, what happened? How about, hey, bro, I bet you 10 grand. I went off into the rookie of the year. Okay, bet is when you made it public. Right.

See, some things you just keep to yourself old Joe. Well, actually I like it though. I like it, because not only- NFL don't like it. I don't think he made it public. I think it's a great motivating tactic. Are you any less motivated by things? Let me ask you a question.

How many people knew your goals? You didn't share them with anybody, did you? And you was just as motivated to achieve them. You have to understand. Look, I get it, Ocho, but you have to understand how the NFL and the gambling, so you don't even want the mention of it. Like I said, hey, Ocho, I bet you such and such.

Yeah. At the end of the year. Yeah. How'd you get this? I ain't gonna say how I got it, but a good friend of mine gifted it to me. Yeah. Yeah.

I think for one on Malik Naples part, I think it was all in good fun. You know, little friendly, really friendly competition. And I don't think it's against the NFL gambling policy because they're not gambling on a game. It's a friendly wager between themselves based on how they play their rookie season. That's all that. That's no foul, no harm. Now, you want to know what's harm?

Me bribing the referee with a goddamn dollar bill trying to challenge a red, uh, a red. A call. Yeah. Now that, that, not that. Now that's gambling. Cause I literally took out a dollar and tried to bribe the referee. Now that I understand then making a friendly wager between themselves, whether it's public or not is no harm no foul and I hope I'd hope you know we'd allow those two to go at it. Oh man you know there's a lot of bets going on man that doesn't been bet between teammates I mean not teammates yeah but hell I ain't teammates friends yeah yeah but nobody nobody nobody know nobody knew hell I bet Alpha Williams,000, but I would have more touchdowns if he had sacks. Golly.

Man, guess what? Who won? I broke my collarbone week four. He tore his Achilles week five. So we settled. He wanted 12,000. So I said, we can settle. He had one sack.

I had no touchdowns. So we settled.. He had one sack, I had no choice. So we settled. What you had to pay him? He said, I'll tell you what. He said, I want $12,500. Guess what this joker wanted? What he wanted? Don't say food. Susan B. Anthony dollars.

Susan B. Anthony? Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars so I had to go to the bank and get 20 because he wanted to inconvenience me he wanted my pride. Oh okay. So when I go put that order into the bank can I get $12,500 of Susan B. Anthony? Do you know how hard it is to get those damn things? So he made it difficult? Yes and they was heavy as hell. Hey, let's go. Hey, listen, I like the bet though. I like it.

Because that's the way we bet it. So like we bet the locker room, I didn't want your money. I want your pride. Yeah. I want $500 in nickels. Man, Shaw, come on, man. I want you to take your ass to the bank, ask the cashier, could you get $500 in nickels? And when she asks you, say, Mr. Such and Such,

why you need $500 on nickels? I want you to tell him, I lost the bet to 84. I get Buffalo nickels, I get $100 in Buffalo nickels. I get $250 in dimes. That's what I wanted. I wanted, what is it, Kennedy half dollars? We call them Kennedy 50 cent piece. Yeah, I wanted those. Yes silver dollars Yes, I want your pride. Oh Joe. Everybody making money. Yeah, what is it for me? Okay, you lose a thousand dollars

You won't bring me a thousand dollars cash. No, I don't want a thousand dollars cash. I want coins pennies nickels dimes buffalo nickels Susan B Anthony quarters Kennedy half-dollar Kennedy 50 said what we call them in the South Yeah You know we gamble everything We had a little poppy shot basketball thing in the locker room So we we bet and per diem a bit everybody got their Per Diem lined up. The road Per Diem? Yes.

Yes. We bet road Per Diem. Man, look, we was getting ready to go to practice. Me and my homeboy Burns, he like, we got, so you know, we've been there for a week. So I went upstairs, got my check, got his. I said, cause we like to bet, don't even look at it. Put it down.

Okay, fine, bet what it is. So I put my check down, he put his down. We shoot, we gotta go to practice. We come back, come on, let's get the ball first. Hey, hey, hold up, me and Burn shooting this. He shoot, he miss, I make it. So at that point in time, you get to open the check and see what it is.

Right. So he opened my check, I opened his. His was like $1,400. Right. Mine was like 70,000. Woo! He said, homeboy, you'd have been throwing up. I said, oh hell yeah.

But that's the chance that you make. You don't look at the check, you'd have been throwing up. Oh hell yeah. But that's the chance that you make. You don't look at the check, you just bet. Yeah. I'm cool with that. Y'all better than me, boy. I ain't playing. Oh, we bet everything. Oh, we bet everything.

Oh, Blu-Ray? In between, you have played in between? Nah, what's that? In between, that was the quarter? You take two decks of cards. I flip both cards up. It might be an ace, it might be a five. You go say, hey, in between.

If it comes in between the ace and the five, you win. If you get hit on the edges, you have to pay double. So if it's an ace or a five, you pay double. Man, we played on the way to Super Bowl right after guys what part got a life it a grand Did you found yeah, oh we took super I took oh Hey, Peter, I'm sorry. I gotta give up this information We took a we took four Subo tickets off Willie Green.

Ooh. Four Subo tickets and 10 grand. Oh, look, I was very generous. I know he was hot. Ocho, I want to do old school car. 71 Chevelle. Yeah. I said, man, give me five grand.

I said, cause you go home and tell your wife you lost this car, it's going to be problems in your house. Snap, yeah. Give me five grand, we'll call it even. And Mike used to tell him, said, look, y'all gambling with 84. Do y'all know how long 84 been playing? Right.

84, okay. I don't really like you guys gambling cuz I don't want you thinking about you lost 20,000 30,000 right during the game Mm-hmm, but like if I rock with you if I want a big sum of money off y'all like bro, go Hey, just give me give me five grand. We'll call it evil. Yeah, but I would it nice Black chrome rims just got it. It'll probably work by 2025. I said, man, give me five grand, you go, cool. Boy, hey, boy, y'all, listen.

Oh, we gamble. I, whenever the gambling went on, locker room, training camp, we on break, man, I ain't around camp, we on break. Man, I ain't around none of that, bruh. I ain't got time. Spending money, spending gambling. How you think club shes came about? Ocho, you go ask anybody that played in Denver.

No sir. From 1995, 96, all the way, they closed it down when I left, when I came back, it came from there. That's where we gamble. We play cards, we roll dice. They play video game. We drank, smoked, all that within club shake. That's how it came to be.

And I don't see how y'all do that, man. And people in the chat that gamble, people just in general, like even when y'all was playing, even former teammates of mine, there was such an excitement and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble. Here from, and me being from Miami, watching people gamble, playing spades, playing, playing tongue, playing get like me with the quarters, back in the day when we was in high school, watching, watching the dope boys play C-Low, excuse me, I hate to, I hate to say that word, but watching

the boys play C-Low, like like, what are we doing? I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything where I can't control it. Like, if I'm losing money, I want to be in control of it. I don't want any outside variations of what I'm doing that cause me to lose my money. I can't do it. And then I remember I went to the casino with Rell and I'm talking to the man. I'm saying, sir, are y'all going to stop the man from continuing to gamble that much money at the high roller table? Why are you allowing him to do this? That's what we do here. Yeah. Why you think we don't have... Oh no, I got to have it. We got to gamble, Ojo. We gambling. Why you think we don't have no windows? Oh no, I got to have it. We got to gamble, Ocho. We gambling. Why you think we don't have no windows?

What the fuck you mean? What the windows have to do with anything? And there are clocks on the wall because they want you to lose track of time and they pumping in fresh oxygen. Listen, I learned all this just not too long ago when I was in Vegas for F1. I'm like, man, y'all better be- Ocho, we gamble. Yeah, but y'all better be- Ocho, we gamble. Yeah, but y'all- Every night, there was not one night in Denver

when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble. Ocho, we was going to bed, like we got to practice at nine. We ain't going to bed till like two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning. And y'all going to practice on four, five hours of sleep? Yep. And the last night, we stayed up the whole night.

Like, our crew that normally, oh, we got to, you got to stay up the whole night. Oh, oh, we had a blast. Hey, we had a blast. Oh, and the last night, the rookies. Yeah. Got to get them, Ocho. You got them?

Yeah, I remember them being. What? Man, Ocho. You got them? Yeah, I remember them days. What? Man, look here. We go to the store, we get like 25 pounds of flour, we get like eight, nine, 10 bottles of syrup, we cut the pillows open. Right. We got the tar and feather.

Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah, fire extinguisher. Oh, man. You know how hard that is to get off? I do though. Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah, fire extinguisher. Oh. You know how hard that is to get off? I do know. Oh, no. Think about how many guys came with pillow feathers in their head and only stuck on their back and on their neck.

Hey, cause you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey, I get the key. I get the master key. In their sleep, fire extinguish them down, book it up out of there. Oh, we did some damage. I knew they were hot. But you know what Mike said, hey,

hey, I don't normally do this, but I know, you know, probably 84 had something to do with it. Right. And his team. Or if some stuff popped off, they already know. Mike knew. Team building, we got this cover. Right.

Woohoo! That dorm was a mess. Going crazy. Yes, yes. Cause, hey, got to get them, Ocho. It's a part, yes. Cause, hey, got to get them, Ocho. It's a part of it. Welcome to the Broncos. Yeah, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely.

That's what I miss, Ocho. See, that's what I miss. The fun. That's what I miss. The talent show. Like, did y'all have a talent show? Like the rookies had to put on a talent show? No, but hey, listen, that hard knocks y'all had. Yes. Before we did put on a talent show. No way listen that that hard knocks y'all had yes, but we did ours that talent show

Boy when when buddy did Ray Lewis and buddy did you? Well, I was in tears I'm talking about in tears crying. That was good. Oh, yeah. We had we had a talent show in That was good. That was good. We had a talent show in Denver. But like I said, I didn't really know. Like I said, I mean, when I was in college, we didn't really do the stuff like rookie stuff,

hazing, they ain't cut nobody's hair, stuff like that. I mean, I'm trying to say what we did to the rookies. Cause they got me. I mean, it was all fun. Like I said, I didn't't let nobody cut my hair. Right. You know what I'm saying? I, and I do, we weren't doing anything to demean anybody. We won't go cut your hair and foolishness like that.

But I'm sure there was some things that we did, but that was all a part of it. That's what I miss. That's what I miss. If they could just let me, and I was like, Mike, if I could just go back, I didn't want to do meetings no more. That's what really got me out of league. Yeah. The meetings. I said, Mike, just let me practice. Let me I ain't wanna do meetings no more. That's what really got me out of the league, the meetings.

I said, Mike, just let me practice, let me show up to practice. Let me play in the games. Your boy good. Your boy good. The opposite, but dog. Oh, those were the days, bro. I wish I could get those back.

I wish I could do that. Obviously I couldn't play anymore. But I just wanna go hang around the team. Just go hang. Not now, my guys, what I was like, after I left for like three or four years, I just want to go hang around the just go right now. My guys what I would like what I left like three or four years. Yeah, I just want to go back because a lot of the guys that I played with was still playing. Man, I said,

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Why do players, because sometimes they wrong with criticism. Sometimes the criticisms is not warranted sometimes you you criticize and based off your insecurities don't do that yeah don't do that yeah criticize criticize but not based off what you're saying you would have done because you don't have the ability to do what that would have been done so that's my problem with criticism. I look at it like this. When, before this social media blew up time, what we would ask of people that was critiquing us, okay, did you play? They, all these players now, like,

they wanted someone that actually played the game, that had an intimate knowledge of the game, to know what it's like to be in the locker room, to know what it's like to be in the shuttle, to know what it'd be like in the field and feel that. Okay, so now, and then when they got that, they said, well, you didn't win anything. So now when I critique a player, not only did I win at the highest level, I won multiple times. Not only did I win multiple times, I got the ultimate validation by being selected in Canton. So now what it, you jealous you mad cuz you didn't make as much money

I made a damn lot of money for tight ends when I pray Time change inflation. Okay guys are making money. I get nothing You asked me to give you my honest assessment when I give it to you You don't like it because I critique your favorite place. Amen. So I don't understand how we I think I think it's a different era. So I don't understand how I win. I think it's a different era. We're in a different era. And I think it's more so delivery.

I think delivery is very, very important in the way we are critical and we analyze players. It will be seen, regardless of how you try to do it, it will be seen as hate, because there's really no way to criticize a player without him feeling a certain way about it. And again, I talk with you all, we talk about this all the time, Prim, and they get on me a lot about not being able to be critical of players

when they don't play the way they should. And I always go back from a point of view of knowing what it's like to be them. Now opposed to being on the other side with the media now, it's very difficult for me to say he did A, B, and C, but I'd rather say, I'd rather talk about D, E, and F on what he can do to make sure it doesn't happen again. I don't even want to focus on the negative. I don't want to be the problem. I want to tell you what the solution is so you don't play like that again. I like going that route.

But that's not what just, but Ocho, but that's not what happened. You got to critique on what you saw, not what you think you Ocho, but that's not what happened. You got a critique on what you saw, not what you think you're gonna get down the road. Okay, when he comes down. He's not gonna do that. You know, Chad ain't gonna do that. He ain't gonna critique nobody. He ain't, you know, Chad ain't, he ain't be like that.

Chad, Chad, Chad not wanna be because he is. Chad is a good dude and he wanna be loved. He just wanna be held, you know? I wanna be what? Held. Just wanna be held. He just wanna be loved. I mean, I like criticism.

You know what's funny? Think about when you played. When I played, I loved, I liked to hate. Yeah, but not now. I want you to hate, I want you to talk trash. I want you to say bad things about me. Like I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the media say bad things about me. Like I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the media

saying bad stuff. Like it like it dry. It lights somewhat of a fire, you know? And that's why to me, I don't understand why players care what the media says. That should motivate you. You know, I use that. Well, you can't expect people to be who you are. That's what I had to learn as a coach years ago. You can't expect people to be you. You can't expect people to be who you are. That's what I had to learn as a coach years ago. You can't expect people to be you. You can't expect people to feel like you, to think like you, to interpret things like you, to even fathom things like you. They ain't built like that.

Check out how we made one of you, man. They ain't built like that. We at the highest level. It's the NFL though. And? You know, think about it. Exactly. So you making excuses for it. No, no, let me finish.

Let me get where I'm going. To even get to the pinnacle of your childhood dream, you've had to be through some shit. You've had to go through some stuff. So anything being said in and or about you shouldn't even bother you. And why don't bother? We just got to be talking about new addition.

I said, you about Brown and I said, he probably was Michael Davis. Primes, don't do that. I was with you at, me and you, I was with you at Freaknik in 1992. Me and you were at Freaknik in 1992. That's a lie, but anyway. That's a lie, but anyway.

Yo guys, we've heard about your pregame rituals, but what about your postgame rituals? Did you have anything that you did time? Did you have anything you did Ocho? I always had migraines Always had migraines so controlling the migraine from being up and being Fired up and just wanted to go get it that calming down period was tough. So I always had migraines

So on the plane ride back home, they was medicating me and trying to give me stuff and ice everywhere. I couldn't never do nothing at the games. So I always went to the crib. Straight home. Yeah. My, my routine after my routine, after every game in Cincinnati was always the same. Win or lose. I'm going to Jay Alexander's in Hyde park.

I have a celebratory cigar win or lose, obviously for getting out of the game healthy and that was it. I did the same thing every, every, after every game for a decade straight. And if the people, if corporate from Jay Alexander sees this if y'all don't bring back them goddamn honey butter biscuits, I know some honey butter croissants.

Oh man. What'd you do, J? I normally just went home, I'd go get something. Occasionally we'd go to the guys. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, was there something, was there something you wanna get? You said you'd go get it. No, I'm just asking, they wanna know what's up.

Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. You mean something to eat? It was, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't nothing going on, my body was, man, you know, I was lean when I played. It wasn't no, it wasn't no thing going on. Tell me, it wasn't no thing going on. I wasn't gonna be able to know, I was leaving when I played. There was no thing going on. There was no things going on. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to do nothing. I'd have locked up on her and then she got it. I'd have to get an IV. I was like this here. So no, we occasionally I would go, we'd go out to guys, we'd go get something to eat.

But most of the time I would call ahead, get an order. There was this restaurant called Black IP. I would call ahead, get chicken, rice, broccoli, corn, two wheat rolls, and lemonade. He always disciplined on his eating, man. I have a quick prime. Did you eat healthy when you played? No, no. Thank you, man, thank you. I was so ignorant when I was in Atlanta,

I had soul food catered for lunch, for everybody, for the whole team. Man, you. I had collard greens and rice and Black Eyed Peas, baked chicken, we was eating that for lunch, then go whole team. Man, you. Collard greens and rice and black IP, baked chicken, we was eating there for lunch, then go out there to practice. I was like, man, we are lost in our mind, man. Thank you, you know what?

Thank you. That's all I'm gonna do, y'all eat that, I'm going to the food. I appreciate that. I'm glad you said that. I did. I've been telling people for 30 some years, they don't listen to me.

No, I didn't. I wish I had it though. I wish I had it. I wish I had it. See, you I had it. I wish I had. See, you hear that little? I always stayed in shape, but I didn't eat right. Right. I didn't eat right either, and I always stayed in shape.

So I mean- Yeah, but you're a freak genetically, dawg. You could eat whatever you want. You still gonna stay lean. You may never- But you know, I still, but I worked like a madman. I'm still working like a madman. I ain't got-

Still. I don't even play, yeah. You gonna always be lean. That's your genes. That's just who you are. And you never, and you don't have the disposition to put on weight. You're not gonna be 250.

You're not gonna be 300, don't you? That's not your body frame. Look how narrow you see how your shoulders are. He don't like you to call him narrow. Now he's gonna find it. I'm not narrow, I'm 220. What are you talking about narrow? Look.

No, you never been, you never been 200 in your life, have you? narrow, I'm 220. What are you talking about narrow? Look. No, you never been over, you never been 200 in your life, hey. Yeah, I'm 220 right now. What you talking about, look. You never been hit. No. No.

I don't think you've ever hit 200 in your life, hey. Nah, never. Nah, hell nah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Pratt, you know how they used to have it at the NFL experience, they had that jersey and the little kid go stick their head in that thing and you see the little body hanging. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, My brother and I have never had a fight. Now he used to cheat and I used to beat him down, but we never had a fight. The only time my brother told me what he wasn't going to do

was that he wasn't gonna go to Savannah State College. And I said, that's good, because I'm on the way. I'm leaving Columbia. I was in school at South Carolina. I'm leaving, bro, you're not going to the army. That's not, because I'm on the way. I'm leaving Columbia. I was in school at South Carolina. I'm leaving. Bro, you're not going to the Army. That's not going to happen. The only time he and I ever had a disagreement.

I have never in my 59 years on this Earth tried to be his father. But we were always taught that if you have to look past your own dinner table to find a role model There's something going on in your home. I Only wanted him Bobby dandridge His nickname was mr. Clutch. We had Franco Harris and and Tony Dorsett. I

had Franco Harris and Tony Dorsett, I wanted him to look at his own dinner table and be like, remember it's the shepherd and the sheep thing. I never told him what to do. I never tried to instruct him. I never led him. I lived my life. But the wonderful thing, and for those of you who have kids, you know this, the wonderful thing is he was watching. And I am so proud. I'm proud of that guy right there, because I'm proud of Chad, because the perception, the persona, and who he really is is actually

two totally different people. You don't realize how hard it is for him to come out here and do that. That ain't who he is. That is not who he is. I'm ruining it for you. For him, he didn't go through anything. He's led by a higher power that put him where he wanted to be. What he went through on TV, He's led by a higher power that put him where he wanted to be. And what he went through on TV, he

needed to go through that so he could get here. And sometimes, many times in a family, you go through things that are hurtful. But he had to go through that to get to here. And he had to be here to get him. And those two together are doing some really good stuff. They're fun to watch. They talk about really good things.

Not the anal part. But they talk about really good things. And I'm very proud of both of them. When we did the same things, when we both played football, we could talk football. When we both did TV, we could talk TV. I play golf, he doesn't, so we don't have anything in common right now. But we can still find out how each one of us, how we're doing. And I'm very proud of how he handled the skip situation.

He almost, he almost lost it. The Afro-American almost came out. I know you saw it when the glasses went on the table, skip, I'm in the F and I'm the thing. I was like, I said to myself, that is the end of the sharps on TV. Cause I knew what was gonna come next. And I was like, Skip, I hope you can fight.

But no, I say that in jest I never did I never thought he would lose control I was really shocked that he yelled and screamed But he yelled and screamed not because of what skip said He yelled and screamed because he was so hurt that a someone he liked and trusted Would say or do that to him. And he would never say this, I'm not on TV, I don't do anyone else's media at all, except PGA Tour Golf, I go on their show.

But I don't do anybody else's because you can't ask me about him. Because I'm not going to give you anything about him. Do I like his success? You're gonna have to use your own imagination. Do I think he is doing the right thing? You're gonna have to use your imagination. I do not talk about him.

Everybody goes, when you gonna be on Club Shaysha? I was like, I was first. Before it became Club Che Che and Chad, they were famous. I went on then because I was like, I see where this train going. And this is way before Cat Wiggins. I do not want to be anywhere near where this thing's going. So Club Che and nightcap I Could say this this is probably the last time you see me publicly Because they are going in a totally different stratosphere and and I want to thank cam Newton I told cam

Backstage I am very impressed by him Because they are a lot alike. And you have to admit, Cam is the largest human being you've ever seen. You know? Dude is gigantic. You say you were disappointed that your former coach was there when you got there.

Y'all came in together, if I'm not mistaken, Ron Rivera didn't call you when he was in Washington. Why did that upset you so much? That was my dog. Like we've been through so much. I always hear his voice in my head, yeah kiddo, you know, man this that like. I say this respectfully. He raised me and I raised him. He was a rookie head coach, I was a rookie player. I was not going to allow him to fail in Carolina, not under my watch. Because there's the oath and it's just in us as athletes that when somebody takes a chance on you no matter what round it is you feel obligated to

Give because they've no matter what you want to say. They've allowed you The opportunity to take care of your bloodline So when what was happened or what had happened in Carolina with me and Coach Avere, we had numerous talks and discussions about the game of football and about life. So when I was going through the transition of being out of Carolina, I was like, yo, I was damn coach. And it wasn't just him. that's the thing I can't blame a head coach because he may not have picking power but Marty Herney the same thing he was he drafted me right he was in DC and he said it's I'm gonna take it a step

further the head trainer that they had Ryan Vermillion was there nobody so me going through this whole resurgence like yo like Damn, I kept asking my agent. I'm like yo They ain't called Washington ain't called Hmm What's going on so maybe that you weren't as close as you previously thought man, I'm an action person, bro I'm an action person and I teach my children this

Man, I could tell you anything. But if I don't prove on a day-to-day basis that I love what I showed you Don't mean nothing to me. Have you had a conversation with him? Have you spoken to him? No, sir Not not like we said no It's not no beef and I don't want nobody to kind of take what I'm saying is that. I'm angry because there was a business decision that has to be made. And I was, and I knew I was coming off a shoulder injury.

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