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Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Portland Traiblazers going on the road and beating the Phoenix Suns to get the 7 seed in the West, the Charlotte Hornets beat the Miami Heat in overtime to play the loser of Sixers vs Magic and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 2:50 - Blazers beat Suns19:36 - Hornets beat Heat Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You may have tried, and I promise you, you'll see we have the best tasting smooth as cognac on the market. Please, please, Drake responsibly and stay safe. Portland Trailblazers hold off the Phoenix Suns 114 to 110. Deni Adia gets a critical layup to force an A&1, propelling the Blazers to the victory. The Trailblazers advance to the NBA playoffs as the number seven seat, and they will face the San Antonio Spurs in the first. round. Joe, I thought Phoenix had this game

under control. They were up by 11 points with under five minutes to go. And some dumb plays, four shots, let Portland get some easy A and three looked and it was bad. And one more thing,

Devin Booker, he owes this team the next game because he was bad tonight, Joe. Go ahead. Hey, listen, I thought they teeter-tider, tighter, pretty much throughout the game. out Portland, you know, had it early. Okay, also they had the momentum. I was like, look like Portland going to take care of this thing

because everybody was kind of hitting on all the cellular to start the game. But then Phoenix took control. I'm like, okay. Yep. But this, this, uh, Abdiya, dude, however you said this thing? Abdiya. And listen. Hey, that boy got game on the Ocho.

And he came and put it down. Hey, look, because even, you know, late in the game when everything, was a bit stagnant. He could always get to his spots. Always. I mean, at 6-8, can handle a rock, can shoot the three, can go off the dribble. Man, he had them boys in the huckle buck all night, Uncle Ocho. It wasn't nothing they could do, Joe.

I mean, they tried everything. They put Royce O'Neill on him. They put Dylan Brooks. They put their best defenders on him, and he cooked everybody. Man. He said, tonight, I got Criscoe, and I'm frying everybody ass. This ain't no pay them. There ain't no low fat stuff here.

This ain't healthy for you. Man, this is going to clog your arteries. This was a hell of a game walking, Ocho. I'm talking about this one playoff basketball. Tonight, we got entertained tonight, fellas. We got entertained tonight. He was 15 or 22. He had 41 points, 12 assists, seven rebounds.

Young Bull was playing really good. Hey, Joe, did you see this from him at all this season, though? Man, I've seen him play a few times. And he was an all-star this year. Now, he averaged 24-25. Yeah, yeah. We saw this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So it's early and often. Yeah, but I'm not going to sit here and say that I just was checking for Portland and the play every night. I ain't really, you know what I mean? But I know he didn't put in them numbers. I ain't going to lie to him. He's been putting them numbers.

He's been doing his thing. He was rewarding an all-star. But to see this tonight, you know, in a playoff atmosphere on the road. Where it counts. Oh, man, dog. Look, it gave me a newfound respect for him. walking Ocho because y'all see how physical the game was y'all see how it was back and forth and man just down the stretch bro this is what you did i call these games bro guys who just step up

in the big moments and when every time a play was needed he come and won i'm talking about like oh man this is nice i thought the thing was and i agree with you joe but if you go like when they show it with show highlights he's always their first or second league score yeah he's always having games like this. And so you're right. Just to sit down, I haven't sat down and watch them play the entirety of a ball game. But you see highlights and clips. He's like, well, damn. And then the dude make the

All-Star team, you're like, okay, he got to be pretty good because he wasn't voted in by the fans for the players and the coaches that lets you know because they get an opportunity to see him on a nightly basis. Yeah. And maybe because he's not the household name because, look, first of all,

you got to overcome Luca. You got to overcome Yolkich. You got to overcome a whimby. You got to overcome Steph. You got to overcome Ant-Man and you still got KD and you got Braun. So you've got seven guys right there that you got to overcome. So you know the likelihood of him making it as

a vote in from the fans probably wasn't likely. But for the coaches to put him in and the players are like, okay. Go ahead, Ojo. Now I'm going to say he wanted him. He wanted him, especially playing in point in order to make a name for yourself and compete with those

other seven other seven players. You got to be bowling. I'm talking about you got to be bawling night in and night out, especially for those that are down here on the East Coast who don't get to watch your games that much. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. No, it's because it's a West Coast game.

They come on so damn late. Most people in East. Already sleep. Because think about what time it is now. And these are the times the games normally come on. They come on at 730 on the West Coast. Yeah. And so you're not, if you're not an avid or die-hard fan,

you're not staying up watching Portland. because they don't have a name. I'm just being honest, they don't have a name. Okay, when they had Dame, you might like, well, let me see what Dame go do. Let's see a day, if we're on Dame time. Yes. But for a young man, and like you said,

some people scoff there, they make an All-Star game. But he showed your ass tonight exactly why he was an All-Star. Man, and you know what? I think, you know, when you look at it, you know, Portland won't kicking up no damn dust this year. No. They end to play for a reason. Yeah, considered, right.

So for him to make the All-Star team, you know he was bawling. Yes. Hitter and everything that Dave went through it from a franchise perspective, the players, obviously, you know, the stuff happening with Chonsa early in the year. Correct.

I think this is a remarkable comeback, fellas. You know, for these guys that make the plan, obviously, they end the playoffs now, right? Yeah, they're number seven C. They get San Antonio. Hey, look. That's tough. I don't think they can be San Antonio,

but they show me they got some, they got some weapons over there. They got some guys, you know, in big moments. I like Jeremy Grant. Okay, Ocho. He made some big shots down the stretch for him. He came into that fourth quarter Joe and hit two big threes.

Yeah, gave him to lead. Two threes. Yeah, might have got filed on one of them. Right, that last, that second one. Yeah, he gave him to lead with them three. You know, I always thought throughout the year. I'm like, damn, why he's still stuck in Portland? He need to get out here and get on him a playoff team.

But, you know, he's making the most, I don't know if he's dealt with injuries because I see he came off the bench tonight, but he played huge for him. Obviously, Drew, who's won two titles. You know what I mean? Who's calm in these moments. I thought this was a hell of an effort by the blazes on the road, bro, to go in Phoenix and get this game. This says a lot about this team.

But I was disappointed with Phoenix. And this is not to take any thing away from Portland because I believe two things can be true. I believe Portland deserved to win this game. But I also believe that Phoenix made some bonehead plays. Man. He came down and forced up shots. Dylan Brooks forced up a shot.

And then you get Jalen Green. He comes down. He forced up. a shot, the constant turnovers. Bro, y'all trying to win a game. You don't need to play hero ball. You got to let him point lead. Just take your time and go through your offense.

I thought when Jalen Green checked back in the game, he was hitting three after three. Big shot, getting to his spot, hitting two after two. But there were a couple of four shots by him and Dylan Brooks that there was unnecessary. Right. I don't know what happened to a book at the free throw line. It was like he couldn't even damn buy a free throw.

I mean, he was up to my clanking him. I was like, well, damn. Yeah, I think, I think. I think with those three guys, you know, rhythm and continuity throughout the season, they hadn't had that because one of them has always been out, you know what I mean? Yes. Whether it's been Green or whether it's been Dylan Brooke, they've missed significant men. And Book is missed time.

Yeah, and book has missed time. So I think the chemistry thing, you can kind of tell tonight, because to me it didn't really seem like who was the go-to guy down the stretch. I know Green had it going, but I seen Brooks trying to make plays. Obviously, I'm like, man, they get, hey. You got to be book in that situation, no, Joe. Yeah, he got to be, he got to step up on. He got to be better. He's your perennial all-star.

And I know Jalen Green has an abundance of talent. He's showing you that. Yeah. Because he's, he's streaky, Joe. Yeah, he's a guy that can go get your 35, 40, 50 points. But then he's another guy that's shoot three for 20. Right. But he had it going tonight.

But I still think, okay, book, you're the best player on this team. Look, a lot of players have come and gone. You've been the constant. And tonight, he didn't do what you expect the player of his caliber to do. And that was very disappointing. And I'm not saying that it hasn't happened before it. It might not happen again. But Joe, you got a 11-point lead.

You're on your home court. You got to bring that thing home. You got to close a deal. You do. Matter of fact, he got to close a deal, you know. I mean, Uncle, he was bad tonight. Over two from three. What do you was?

Seven for 17? Yeah, and then I think he missed like five, maybe five or six free throws. Yeah, he was, see, eight for 13 from the free throw line. Yeah, that's uncharacteristic of him. You know, he'll be better, but I think it gets harder for them now. You know. Yeah, he better be better. Oh, you're taking his ass home because you lose a good, you're going home.

I show hope he better. Yeah, yeah, I can't believe they lost this game, no. They, hey, hey, boy, smell of the games on the night, fellas. It was a great game. And the young fella idea, he's only 25, Joe. Oh, he's only 25. It seemed like he came out of nowhere, too.

I don't even. I saw a little bit of him of last year, but I was like, I mean, two years ago, so this year he made the All-Star team. And I'm looking at him. I'm like, I've never heard of this guy before. But he's bawling. Yeah, man.

And the thing is, he's not like a lot of, like, European players. they're slow. He can get to his part in a hurry. Yes, uh. He can get to his spot in a hurry. Like you said, Joe, he can shoot the three. He can put the ball on the floor, get all the way to the rim, and I like it. That's a foul. That was an end one. Yeah, man, shut your ass up. You're going to get a, that's an end one.

Yeah, he got a pipe down. He got a pipe down. It's crucial part of it. In that situation, absolutely, Joe. You just gave your team to lead. Now you might let them go to the free throw line and shoot one to tie you up. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, you know what? And he got some real crafty finishes, too, Arcan Ocho. Like, when he get in the paint, he took that little extra little step.

Yeah. Bro, for the game to be on the line and you to get a layup and one, come on, man. Yeah. But if you think about it, Joe, that was a, I mean, he'd take a long euro step. Because a lot of people just, that's a gather step.

Yeah. And then they go long. He's a long from the jump. Yeah. He's a big boy, man. Six-eight. He's coming down through that. He got a, I don't think it's handled great, but it's good enough to get by his man.

You know what I mean? And that's the favorite. It ain't going to really wow you, but he got some quick, little shifty stuff in there that kind of get you all balance. And the thing was, what I like to see him do, and I think Tiago Splitter might have got secured himself the head coaching job with the job that he's done. There you go. If you think about it in the fourth quarter, you see they had shooters all on the court.

Yeah. They had Shaden Sharp in one corner. You brought Jeremy Grant in the other corner. Holliday could knock down the shot. You had DJ running the point. He can knock down a shot. So they got spaces. So it's hard for you to come.

Oh, how you will come travel? Because they wanted to come travel a couple of times. And they did a great job. Even Jeremy Grant, they get the ball to the paint, kick to the corner, sharp, boom. Yeah. Deney get the ball in the paint, kicked to the corner. Three. They did a great job of finding open three-point shooters.

And because you got to come help. a guy in the lane, you see a guy, he doesn't beat his guy, you got to come help. Man, I was very impressed with what I saw from the Portland Trailblazers tonight. Give those guys credit. They deserve the credit. Yeah, Phoenix, they made some bonehead plays,

but I think that's what happens when you're under the rest. They force you to do things that you probably shouldn't do. And you see what happens. They go on the road. Get down on the road by 11? And fight back. Come get it. Hey, it was gritty.

You know, Holiday going to do what holiday does. He's going to put pressure on you. Hey, keep your eye on your luggage. If you don't keep you out of your luggage, something going to transpire. He'll have the ball going to other way. They tried to file them at the end, but they did a great job of keeping the ball away from. Jeremy Grant said, let me go on and finish this thing off. You know, in point six seconds on the clock and they win.

Yeah, that's that experience. That experience came in the play. You know, when you mix in a couple of them young guys and you got some vets helping lead the way, Like Portland got and they pulled it all together at the same time or at the right time. And I thought tonight was a great, great, great win for those guys, man. I mean, it is. It was, Joe. I was very impressed with Portland.

It's going to be interesting to see the mix when Dame gets back because you got another guy that can shoot it. Yeah. Another guy, I think they're probably clinging, even though he didn't give you great. production tonight. He normally a double double guy. Yeah. Protect the rim. So it's going to be very interesting to see what Portland does. Now, I'm not going to be surprised. I mean, when you bring

Dane back and you got all these guys are, I mean, you're going to keep Scoot Henderson? I mean, what's going on? That's what I want to know. Jeremy Grant. You got Sheldon Sharp, who's a young guy, that's my cousin, y'all. No, that I'm just saying. But he got, he got bounced. Oh, he bounced as F.

Man, you, boy, hey, that boy head was almost at the squirt. Oh, that what he called the law? Man, that boy, hey, that boy can get up. That boy can get up. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, I don't really know, you know, what Portland going to do when Dame come back. You know, that's a good point because they got, I mean,

Scoot, who I felt like, you know, they put a... Get some big shots early. Yeah, he played well. He did, he did. But, man, when, when Dame come back, somebody's going to have to scoot over. But see, that's the point. I think Scoot needs playing time.

And he's not getting that currently. Now, maybe that's part of him, but those other guys, I mean, obviously, Dene, he ain't going nowhere. You got Sheldon Sharp, who's playing well, Jeremy Grant's playing well. You're going to get Dane come back in the mix. I just don't know where the minute is going to come from, Joe and Ocho, in a situation like this. I don't either.

I don't know if the coach is really a fan of him, neither. You know, I think this is more of Chances guy. If you just need to be 100, I don't know how, I don't know how Splinter, feels about him because it don't seem like he really played that much. Because I didn't think he played bad in the minutes that he had tonight, Uncle Ocho. I mean, he started and played 17 minutes. Jeremy Grant played 19 minutes, came out the bench. Sheldon Sharp played 21 minutes.

He came up the bench. Robert Williams, the third, played 16 minutes. He came up the bench. So you seeing guys coming off the bench playing similar minutes or more minute than a guy that started. Yeah, yeah. So it makes you wonder, like, I don't know, because it didn't really seem like, You know, he had free range tonight.

I thought he made some great play, especially offensively. He plays hard, but it don't seem like, you know, they really count on them to be productive, to be honest with you. No. And Portland, I mean, Phoenix tonight, they didn't get anything from the bench. They got 17 points from the bitch. Jeremy Grant gave you 16 by himself. Right.

You're throwing Sheldon Sharp 12. Thighbow had three. Robert Williams and third had two. So you got outscored on the bench. You got scored on the bench by what? That's 28, 31, 33. You got a score by 16 from bench. And then you got another guy.

So as great as Jalen Green played, and he plays tremendous tonight, you still got the other guy gave you 41. Yeah. Yeah, I thought Phoenix, they competed, man. Listen, it was fun to watch. You know, I like the back and forth. I like guys going at one another.

I like watching Dylan Brooks, get on the, get on the guy's skin, make them getting technical fouls. You know what I mean? And crucial situations, you know, he's a pest. They probably could have used a little more from Booker, though. For them to get over the hump, because they bench ain't giving them that. So one of these guys going to have to be special. And great, eight shots tonight.

So I thought, I thought it definitely a game, Phoenix is just going to pull away. I thought it was over with. Yeah, I thought it was over with too, Joe. But, hey, give Portland credit for not going away because they could have easily hid their head, ran and ducked in the sand. Man, like, nah, we're good. We're not going anywhere.

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Hey, cheated. Lamello ball. Hey, he was going to be a goat. And we're going to talk about him later later for that Bush League play that he did. Yeah. La Mello ball got the game winning layup and close seconds and overtime

to propel the Charlotte Hornets to a victory. But Kobe White, that shot that he hit to even get into overtime. And Joe, you and I was talking about what a big addition he was. I don't know what Chicago ate. I don't know what Chicago got for him unless they got them parking meters back that they gave sound to the Saudis. This was a horrible deal for them.

This was Kobe White Drain the game time, three in the final seconds of the fourth quarter of the Senate overtime. Charlotte will play the loser of the magic 76ers. I mean, they're like, man, we played this good, and we still ain't in the real play out here. We got to play the loser of Miami in a, no, not Bambi, the Magic and the 76ers. Charlotte overcomes a two-for-22 shooting from three from Lamello and Connipple,

the number 10 Miami eliminated after going three-for-three from previous in play-ins, taking Hornets to overtime despite losing Bamb out of bio. Man. What do you want, what, hello, let's go ahead and take a listen. Speaking on BAM, here's what Eric Bostra had to say on Lamello Balls play on Bamb out of bio. I didn't see it, but that, I don't. think it's cute. I don't think it's funny. I think it's a stupid play. It's a dangerous play. Obviously, our best player is out. I'm not making an excuse. The Hornets played great, you know,

and they made those plays down the stretch. We had our opportunities to win. I just, that's a shame. You know, he should be penalized for that. I don't think that belongs in the game, you know, tripping guys, you know, shenanigans. And, you know, Curtis was there. It's his responsibility to see that. And if it's not his responsibility, then Zach's got to see it. If, you know, somebody has got to see that and that, you know, he should have been thrown out of the game, you know, for that. I don't know from, you know, anyone. I just, there's no place in the game for that. Obviously, you know, it took Bam out of the game.

He ain't lie. Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. He ain't lie. There is no place for that in the game. Obviously, for one, you heard our best player, right? You heard our best player. And for us to even have a chance, Joe, for us to even have a chance. I know Bam was out.

He finished with six points. But in order for us to have a chance to win this game as efficient as they've been playing all year, I'm talking about the Hornets, we need all hands on deck. If anything, let's just keep the game close until it gets towards the end. Now, we played where once Bam left the game, that goddamn Davian Mitchell, wait, yeah, that goddamn Davian Mitchell and brother, Calaisal Ware. Did I say that right? Gailette where? He's from where, Joe?

He's from Lurak. He from the career. Hey, young boy showed up, man, especially with the offense and defense the end, grabbing them goddamn boys and crashing it. Yeah. Giving us second chance points, which is one of the reasons why he was able to keep this goddamn game close. Hades did what he did.

And that goddamn, uh, is it Andre Wiggins? Andrew. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Andrew. Andrew. Andrew Wiggins. Hey, he's going to be all right, man. He's going to be all right. But what we do need to do, we need some firepower in there, Joe.

Now, I know I owe you $100, right? I thought we bet it too, because you said, you said, let's bet too. Because you were feeling good. You were feeling good about it. You were feeling real good about it. You know what? And I'm glad you I sent you that $200 already,

so out of page already. But anyway, hey, back to the game. I think, listen, you lose BAM, right? We talk about playing getting 20 a night. He getting 20 a game. So somebody has to make up for them points. Yes. Somebody has to make up for them points.

I mean, we did what we could. God damn Dave Yon Mitchell had 28. God damn Wiggins had 27. Think about if Bam, then Bam to get hurt on. If Bam don't get hurt, I think we win this game and we don't even have to go to overtime. We was up, what, 111 to 108 with 28 seconds to go, and then goddamn Kobe got damn white. I mean, come on, man. Hey.

Come on, man. Ocho, if Bam didn't get hurt, then maybe somebody else's production wouldn't have been is great. I think, was it a dirty play by La Mello? It's borderline, you know. No, there ain't borderline. What you mean? Borderline, Joe.

He intentionally tripped that man. A borderline player is that I'm making a basketball play. So if it's football, I got you. So tell me in the rule books in basketball, where is you allowed to trip a player. It ain't nowhere in the rule. Okay, so that's a Bush League player. Okay.

So I thought, listen, I thought Miami played good ball, man. They had guys step up when Bam went down and they played absolutely out of their mind with Mitchell, Hero, Wiggins, and Killel Ware. But man, Charlotte has just been fun to watch all year, fellas, you know, especially in the new year. They've been playing great basketball. They got a, they got a gang of guys who can beat you. I didn't think, I thought Kniepp was shot a lot of tough threes early, Uncle Ocho. You got to make you move. Got him out of rhythm, you know, because he was shooting with a guy glued to him. I'm like, man, them tough shots.

Yes. You can't be in the playoffs taking regular season shots in the postseason, bro. And for a young guy, you know, that's the curve that you have to, you know, you have to learn because he was 0 for six tonight. He didn't give him nothing. But, man, Lamello and Miller and Bridges, they gave you every day. Kobe White. He's the reason why they won the game.

Yep. There's big play after big play after big play. He from North Carolina, went to North Carolina. He's back home, bro. He looks so comfortable out there, Anka-Ocho. I think when Lamello gets tired, because there were moments in the game, when Lamello was kind of real tired,

he got a few turnovers, few careless turnovers. I think that's when Kobe White comes into play. He can put the ball in his hands. He's great in picking, rogue, can shoot the three, create. Get to the basket. Man, hey, this was a great back-and-forth game. night. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, Joe, that play, maybe it's a flagrant one. But I don't know, maybe they toss it because of intent. And it's hard to tell someone's

intent. But when you reach up your hand and you trip the guy, the guy fall on his backside, it's hard to say it's anything but intent. It's a Bush League play at the, at the, at the, no matter what you think, and I think LaMello Ball is a phenomenal player. We used to have his dad on, LeBarr on, or undisputed all the time. Everybody knows how we think about LaVar. but that was a Bush League play because you put their best player out. We can't have that now. The NBA might have something to say about that. There might be a fine fourth withcoming.

Fourthcoming, I don't know. We'll see. But Le Mello ball, he had to make that play because first of all, he turned the ball over and then he filed a guy out of damn three-point shot. Yeah. Yeah. He was about to be the goat. Yeah.

And not the greatest of all time. Yeah, he made some bonehead plays down the street. Yes, yes. And so he had to do what he did. But still, he wasn't out of the woodwork yet because got down the court and it took Miles Bridges climbing to the escalator. Yeah. Ooh.

Hey, I, I, he jumped as high as he possibly could to block that. Joe, I was hoping, obviously, I know it's hard with the time expiring. I was hoping when Dave Yon Mitchell was on that, on that little break, he hit the, he had hit the brakes and everybody not flew by him, but, you know, when everybody think you're going to lay it up, yeah. Just stop real quick Pump one time

I don't know if he had enough time To do all that But I knew Nah His moment Because you gotta realize When they blogging So just imagine

You stop And not trying to get the ball up And it's impossible to dunk too It's improper to dunk With people right on your hip Like that huh Joe? Nah He ain't got that kind of

Ucho Damn You thought he said Little dude To do all that Ocho I don't know man I don't know I think if anything

do what you can to try to draw a file, you know what I mean? But that's that situation, everything, everything is moving fast, man. Yeah. I think he was going so fast, Ocho, his momentum was taking him for, it was no way he could stop. They knew he had to go for a quick layup. He tried to get it up the high. But, man, Bridges climbed, he climbed that tree and got it.

Damn, man. Man, the shot making, I mean, I mean, look here, Miami won the game, lost it, Charlotte won the game, lost it. Miami won it, lost it. Charlotte won it, lost it, lost it. And then guess what? Charlotte come back and win it again.

I mean, this is, that was, I mean, that last, last four to five minutes of the ball game. Yeah, I was excited. That's as good of basketball is that you're going to see it any point in time. Because like you said, guys, everybody making shots three after three,

lay up, Hawkins, like, oh, hey, I got this Tyler hero hitting shots falling out of bounds and one. Yeah. uh uh uh colby white boom uh miller boom and everybody i was like damn when y'all start making shots like this but for them to overcome two for 16 from mellow i mean you got to think about it now they're two for three than oh for six yeah they were bad so connipal gave him nothing he was ofer so that's basically so that's basically two for 22 from the three and you overcame that between two guys

Between two guys, but you got Brandon Miller playing out of it, played well, Bridges played well, Kobe White played well. You got other guys stepping up in Mello, but even though he wasn't really good from the three, he made other plays. Yeah. And he got other guys involved. He had 10 assists, 30 and 10 for a guy, I think this is Mello's first time in the playoffs. Yeah.

Well, I don't know what they call it. They don't say the playoffs, the stats don't go towards anything. I think they need to do that. They need to do something with that. Hey, what's the big, what's the big guy? for Charlotte Diabate? Yeah. Hey, I like him, man.

I like it. He play hard. He get a lot of them second chance points to where he's getting extra rebounds on the offensive end. And he guards, man. Man, Charlotte's still scary to me. For them to shoot the way they shot tonight and still win the game, you know,

I think there'll be a lot better next game. Hey, hey, deiabate lucky bam went out. You know that, right? Huh? You know, he ain't had enough bricks in his back pocket to deal with Bam. But you had, but you just love Khalil where? He just gave you 19.

I know, I know he gave his 19. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, this is the night. I think the difference maker for us or the difference in the game is having Bam in there in certain shots when the lights are bright in a playing tournament, which we had already been three for three in the last playing tournaments we don't play it in.

And all of a sudden, Bam is gone. And now we lose to the goddamn Hornets. Yeah. Oh, Joe. you got Wiggins gave you 27 Kalil gave you 12 and 19 I know what they gave you

20 20 gave us what the last time hey Ash give me the number last time Davy on Mitchell scored 28 points in the game Taylor Hero gave what Tyler Hero gave us on

23 23 yeah yeah we were balling but let me tell you something we need some firepower you hear me we need some firepower we need some firepower wait a wait a bit

wait a bit though I know BAM scored 83 but you make it seem like BAM average a 30 a game no he average 20 he average 20 a game. I said we need firepower. Okay, let me ask you a question. We need difference makers.

Okay. If Bam, so you think Bam is going to give you 20 and Dave Young's going to give you 28? Yeah. Because those shots, his 20 points got to come from somewhere. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. What you say you? I'm saying, Bam would have had more than 20 tonight. Listen, I mean, we're having 18, 18, 19, 19 to night. That was good. I'm just saying Bam is a difference maker. He's the leader. of our team.

He's the go-to guy. So what I'm going to do with the name? Diabia, Joe. Huh? Diabbi, how you say? Young boy name from Charlotte. Uh, that. Batee.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, boy, listen, man. But Bamb were giving that boy hell, man. Mello ain't had no choice but to trip him up. Toward the end of that. We gotta get him up out of here. Yeah, yeah. Toward the end of that first court,

I thought BAM started to assert himself a little bit, right after that. Oh, Joe. Yes, so. You do realize Davy on Mitchell took 24 shots in the game. Yeah. He ain't taken 24 shots and bam in there. No.

Davian Mitchell only scored 20 points or more once all season. Hey. Okay, again, Davian Mitchell scored 20 or more points once this entire season. He took 24 shots. He ain't getting 24 shots with Bam. Nah. Now, maybe, just maybe, old Joe. Uh-huh.

Okay, the shots that he was taking, they go to Bam and Bam make him. But Davey, you got to admit now, Dave y'all played out of his damn mind tonight. He did. Crazy. He did. He did, bro. He stepped up. Hey, but here, listen.

Hey, one thing about it, Joe, hey, Pat Riley and Mickey Erison, or Pat, who I mean, Sposha, they got to be tired of just playing stuff. They got to be, they got to be tired of going to the play in. Why not? get what you need. What is that? I know what you're going to say. You get Yonis.

You want Yonis? Hold on Yonah. You giving up a hero. You give it up Mitchell. And you're giving up and you giving up where. Hold on. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what we could do.

Go get Yonis who would be the most expensive. Huh? Then we go get Jiamer. We need Jai down here. This is the right type of atmosphere that J'all need to be in. Somewhere where you can't, that bulljad ain't going to run over there and Pat Riley system. Hear me on?

Yeah. Sometimes, Joe. I think this is exactly. exactly with someone like John Need. And you can't, no matter all that stuff you want to do out in Miami, nigga Pat, no, he's at everywhere you go. He's going to get a phone call, hey, your boy in here. I go, keep eye on him.

What you're going to do by his dad? Huh? Because Pat Riley. Oh, no, no, no. He ain't sitting on the floor. He's sitting in the box. Okay. He's going to be in the box.

Okay. You don't, yeah, you ain't going to be sitting on the floor acting a fool. Not as the Casillas, center. Uh-uh. Nah, T he's going to be on the floor, man. He ain't going to be up in no box. Hey, man, let's hear him. man, Pat running a tight shit, man.

If T want to be down there for a little, listen, but we ain't having none of that. We ain't having none of that. Hey, two drink minimum. Two drink minimum. That's it. We could be cutting you off. Hey, you might be literally before we even get to the game.

There you go. There you go. But I'm just saying, Joe, I'm just saying, Joe, and as a basketball fan, there's certain things that we need to do to improve our team, you know? We haven't had a superstar since LeBron and D. Wade.

And it seems like a team like Miami. Uncle Joe, who don't, who wouldn't want to come to Miami to play here? You can't, we can't even get, we can't even get superstars to come here. Joe, and Joe, you played in this situation. I don't think they don't, I think the superstar would love to be in Miami.

They don't like the conditions on which they'd have to play under. They've heard Joe, and they've heard other players say, you get weighed, you get body fat, you get, but you practice or the shoot around or tough.

That's what they don't, you got to realize, Ocho, if you come into that situation, if you drafted there, that ain't nothing to bam. That ain't nothing to bam. That ain't nothing to guys that grow up in that system.

But when you come from a system and shoot around and just bulljiving and you ain't got no wins and you ain't got no body fat check and you don't have the, the circumstance and Pat Riley on your, you know what? That's hard.

Yeah. It is. If you, your situation, you go into the Patriots. Had you been there for 10 years, that ain't nothing to you. Because guess what? You say, you know what? Hey, I'm cool with this. But you had been one way, having fun, having a great time when they rock.

That was your superpower. Your ability to have fun. Yeah. And people are like, well, it's still football. No, no, no, no, no. But that's not in football. Ocho's superpower isn't playing football. Ocho's superpower is having fun.

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For more games with names, visit the Iheart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. You don't get Ocho. You get Chad Johnson. Yeah. And it's a different shit ran over there, fellow. But what I will say, it's not like. like a lot of guys, I wouldn't say that they don't like it. Because like you say, if you don't mind doing a little work, doing a little extra work, bro,

it really ain't, it really ain't that hard. I'm going to be honest with you. You know what I mean? You just, whatever you're doing outside of the gym, outside of the court, if it's affecting your play or the way you train, then you probably want to lighten up on it. You know what I'm talking? Yes. Like, you know, because they're going to expect you at your best at all time.

but when you're a superstar, Joe, and you don't listen to people that's, that's watching that's looking over your shoulder, normally superstars, they go and come and they do kind of do what they want to do. You're not going to do that there. And so when you've been doing what you kind of want to do for the last 10, 12, 13, 14 years,

and all of a sudden, it's hard, I'm telling you, it is hard. It's like, you got to, you're at your office, and your boss kind of let you do your own thing. But now you got a new boss. And he on yo, you know what? Yeah, man, the old boss, man, it was so, yeah, I know it was so much fun, but he's gone now. Yeah.

It's a new, it's tough. It is tough. Hey, they're weighing body fat different, bro. I'm not going to lie. Because it makes you conscious about everything that you eat. You know what you eat, how you eat, and it gets so embedded in your head. Because every time, like I said, if you don't. don't, if you don't reach these goals that Pat has set for you,

there's consequences for that. You know what I mean? And it's grown as men, bro, you know, it's hard to succumb to that sometime. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because you, you flying it, it's hard. You, hey, you get done playing. Man, you know the shit, man, man, a piece and wings sound real good.

I can go for me a burger right now. Man. Damn. Hey, man, I can't eat no wind. no burger, no wings, I mean no pizza, and go to bed and sleep on this? Yeah, no. Talking about some, let me get too bag of potato chips.

Yeah, all right. Man, you out of pocket, boy, going, hey, go ahead. You're missing weight and body fat, I'm telling you. Yeah. Hey, the funniest thing, bro, I'm telling you how the funnest thing, bro, is to see people sitting in there something. Right before way in? Hey, Oggo, Ojo, the son will be packed.

Everybody be... Yeah. trying to sweat it out, trying to switch some of them pounds out. Boy, listen, I ain't never seen nothing like that in my life. Oh, my God. Yeah, I ain't got to get no hot tub in steam because they didn't have a sauna in Denver that had one in Baltimore. Hey, Sharp, you go, got, I'm like, hold on.

How you mofos eating pizza in the damn sauna? What kind of bulljohn is that? In the sauna? They're in the sauna. Oh, no. May they grab a pizza and go get in the sauna. Damn. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe just, maybe just me. But I was like, now, it's too hot in there. And they, and they constantly pouring water on the rocks. They're just getting steamy. Oh, yeah. Are you?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, put some water on the rock. No, don't put no more water on the rocks. Oh, yeah. I ain't ever heard there. There are people in that eating pizza. Typically,

guys going there when, when they try to sweat their alcohol at them pores. I'm trying to figure out. Guys go in there, guys get in the slaughter. they start getting a son of them then Wednesday, Wednesday after practice. They end up Thursday after practice.

They end their Friday morning. Yeah. Then they end their Friday again after practice. Yeah. I'm like, what, damn? How much do y'all weigh? Y'all had to do that too long. You had to say, huh?

Y'all had to weigh in, too, when you were playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think everybody got that. Oh, and football, y'all, y'all had, I ain't know y'all had to do you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you got to pay a certain amount. for every, for every pound.

$50 a pound that you over. Yeah, you got to double. Hey, listen, I, I, I ain't going to lie to y'all. I like that method, like that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that holds you accountable. And, you know, it helps your performance where the guys know it or not, where you ain't just snacking out of day, eat no BS, bro. Like, it keeps you in line.

You know what I mean? But I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know football did. I think Miami is the only team that does it for real. No. We had the way in. Man, look here. Early in my career, I remember Dan used to have us weighing on Sundays. Because he said guy was making weight on what,

and the way they were playing Sunday at the game, they might have done game weight back. So he would weigh us in Sunday before pregame. Damn. Oh, you eat, yes. Oh, yeah, you're going to be playing with it. Yes. Oh, Joe, you probably had no problem.

I've never had a weight problem. And I'm saying, but the thing, especially once a guy make way in, once a guy make way in Joe? Right. Bro. Okay, you may weigh in. Now you got,

now you got wings, not you got all this stuff, bro, what you did? All you did was get that water pop. That ain't no way. Because once you eat and drink, you're going to put that water back on. And guess what?

Your body, because you dehydrated so much, it's going to hold on to everything. Yep. Yep. Yeah, hey, Joe, I ain't, I can get fine at all, Joe.

I ain't either. I ain't either. I ain't even. It probably wasn't enough for you to make your way, huh, oh, Joe. Man, Joe, I was so little when I was playing, I was skinny. Like right now, it's probably the biggest I ever been, Joe.

Yeah. But just imagine if you were running, if you would think about how much you ran during practice and how much you ran, just imagine if you were, that's what you'd be. Yeah. You'd be that right now, as I'm saying, you're not a naturally big man.

You said, when I'm going to get away and what are you not? Yeah. That is not your, that's not your genetic makeup. Yeah. No, and what I'm saying, guys would eat pizza in the son of once they may wait because we got pizza i don't know how y'all get pizza oh cho we got pizza every friday we got piece in wings every friday right so they might come in there you might have 20 20 20 25 pizzas so you got all these pizza you know i'm simple

i might get a slice right i'm going up out of it i'm good yeah now they would they piece in chicken so we got pop-is you got so many miles you got so many uh spicy you got so many uh spicy you got, you know, probably 100 biscuits. You got chicken strips. You got all that. I like wings. So, hey, I get a slice of pizza maybe, but I got the wings. They got a wing, and my wings got my name on it.

Because I got tired of getting everybody that got the wings and gone and everything. So they would just bring me, Mike had them to get me four wings. You don't want four wings of a biscuit. Yeah. Cool. I just don't know how those guys eat. We had guys, and I remember Dan told a guy, I ain't going to call his name. And he says, if you make weight, I'll give you all the money,

all the money that I've taken for you in two years, I'll give it back to you. He knew he knew dude can make it. He made it. He don't know. He may wait, maybe the very first time, maybe the very first time he may wait after that he ain't done to make it. You know what?

And there's only one position they have a problem with that and it got to be a detackle. You got to be The deep tackle is the only person I mean Joe even on our team On our team Joe Yeah And listen big Sam Adams

Remember Big Sam matters on? Yeah I play with Sam and Goose For real And they ain't way Hey boy big Big Sam got madden Goose you wear in the date Nah Nah okay

Ain't no way in Come on guys We gotta get Hey Hey Joe them boy were big Joe No, you got to have some discipline, boy, under that type of structure. Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, bro.

I think more teams need to adopt that in the NBA, especially because we're dealing with so many injuries. Right. You know, because I know when guys are at home and they just chilling, they snacking, eating zoosos and wim-wams all day. And y'all know, y'all know, that piled up. You can eat 800 calories to 1,000 calories. You get like that. You know what I mean? and don't even realize it.

Oh, man. But I was, see, I was cardio, Joe. So even Monday, even before we went, because we'd run, we'd have to run after the game. I would do cardio. I'd get up at like 7 o'clock

and before I have to, because if we won, if we won, we didn't have to be, you know, you come in and get your workout in and we were off. I would do an hour cardio

before I got there, and then I would get a lift in. Damn. And then I would run, then run sprints to, you know, my legs was already loose. I would do cardio on Tuesday for an hour.

I would do cardio before practice and I mean, before I left my house, I had a stationary bike. I would do cardio or I go to the complex where I was staying and do cardio. And then I would do cardio after Wednesday practice and after Thursday practice. Because I have, I wanted my weight lower. Like you say, Joe, I want to be disciplined. Mike, Mike's like, hey. And as I started getting older, Mike was like, you know, you want your body.

you want your weight to go up two or three pounds. I say, nah, I want to be under the same structure. Yeah. And I know it's harder as you start to age. And plus, it starts to get cold. So guess what? You bundled up out there, oh, child, I'm bundled up out there.

I ain't trying to be like them line, but going out there with shorts and shirt up, cut off shirts, hell now. And I got a thermal shirt on, I got a sweat shirt on. I got all that on. Hey. Hell no.

But I knew for me to be my best, I need to be focused. I need to have tunnel vision. Yeah. So chicken and rice it was. Chicken and rice or turkey and rice or or eight ounces of fillet, that's what it was.

Yeah. Green beans, black eyepies, whole kernel corn, stuff like that. Yeah. I love some guys, man, I was like, bro, man, we have a guy, we spoke to cook, okay, they give you a weight. Did they give you a weight to come to camp, Joe?

No, uh, uh, uh, uh, because I got the Miami midway through the season. Oh, Cho, did they give you a weight to Cincinnati that you? Okay, Ocho, your weight, the report to training camp is 185 pounds. Yeah, no, they let me go because they already knew whatever it was I was going to be under. How we get, they gave, I remember, they gave a guy a body weight. He need to come in at it. How do you come in 11 pounds overweight? Damn.

I'm looking like, did you do anything? Anything. How are you 11 pounds? I can't even see two or three because you had the whole damn summer they gave you the weight before you leave they give you a weight

to say this is what you want this is what we want you to report back at so you knew that so seven weeks ago they gave you this weight. You know them big boys if they're not in that structure environment boys, it's hard to lose weight.

It is, man. You know, I don't feel bad for people running. I run with them. So you know, they got hey, they might have eight, 100s, they might have 10, 100s. You might have to one morning practice and afternoon practice. To get their weight off your arm. Yeah.

With the garbage bag on, uh, uh, uh, I'm running with, I'm running with him, old joke, you know, I, I ain't got, man, why, I feel bad for them. Because if you out there running, everybody's looking at you, they know why you're running, your bad ass ain't in shape. Y'all, hey, y'all had them conditioned attention. I had to take. Yeah, we have to be, yes. When you come back.

right before camp. Yeah, I used to love those. We had those, we had 10, we had the 1040 test. What's that? You had to run 40, you had to run 40, you had to run 10, 40 yard dash. So basically, let's just say my time is 4, 6. You had to run all of them things in like 4, 8 or less. And back to back.

Boy, look. And people like, oh, that ain't that. Okay. Yeah, the first three or four might not be bad. When do you get your ass to six or seven? It's, yeah. Hey, boy, them, hey, them conditioning tests are no joke. But if you come in in and shape, though,

if you come in in and shape, you can breeze through it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, for sure. It's the ones. It's the guys who ain't been doing that. And then you come in and try and do that conditioning testing, you about paying the fat. Them hamstrings gonna be on fire.

Hey, I used to love them conditioning test, Joe. I ain't love them, both of you. I ain't love them now. I didn't. Hell now. Yeah, you know, I'd come. I come in an immaculous shape. Not football shape.

I'm talking about immaculous shape, just being able to run all day. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because we don't ran. Hey, football shape and running shape is something entirely different. Hey, Joe, until I get people pushing and pulling and tugging on me and me having to move and move around objects and move around people and then that's football shape. But hold on.

What was your regimen like when the season was over with, let's say you took a little time for you to get back in shape? You was a runner? He just used to like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a track background. So let's just say at the absolute height of my conditioning, Joe, we were running somewhere between 20. We were running somewhere between 20 and 25 110 with 14 to 16 seconds with a 45 second break.

I'm saying you were doing that by yourself in the all season? I would do that by myself. I run as many as 30. I ran the first 15 and everybody like, man, it's too hot, I'm done. And I read the last 15 by myself, so I put myself on the clock. Did you and your brother?

We might have, we might have 150s. So you got to wait, wait, wait, 150s, you got to run 40s. You got to run, say, 17 seconds, 18 seconds. And you get a minute and a half off. And people like, well, Matt, but what we do is that we run, and then you walk, walk back to the start.

So we run the 200. So we run 2,200s, and you got to make it in 32 seconds. Yeah. So we run finished and walk back across the field. By the time you get back across the field, it's time to go again. Mm-hmm. And Joe, my condition was so good. It really wasn't, you know, anything like Uncle was doing.

But I used, I played soccer during the all season, Joe. Yeah. And I did boxing. And I didn't do boxing not to fight, Joe. I did boxing strictly for my feet work. Yeah. And having somebody in front of you, Joe is no different. My strength was man to man.

Having somebody right up in my face is my strength. Yeah. And obviously, mentally it helped me build somewhat of a callous mentally not worrying about getting hit. You know, you know, when you spar sometimes and then you go on the football field, you don't care what's around you. You just focus on what you got to do with a ball coming, not worried about. I don't know. It's weird how that work. And I was so fucking violent, Joe, with my hands.

hands to be a little person. Joe, it's weird. I was small. I was so small. But Joe, I was so violent with my hands waxing off. Like, if something touched me, it was like, I get it off me because I know if somebody get a hand on me, I'm not going nowhere. Yeah.

I'm not going to. Joe, I was so violent. Yeah. Hey, Joe, I'm about violent and quick as hell. Like that phone booth? Yeah. I'm getting the fuck up. I'm sorry.

My bad for cursing. I'm getting the hell up out of there, Joe. But as a receiver, though, that's what y'all taught, right? With your hands, you got to be quick with your hands. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm throwing, I'm throwing.

As soon as I move, I'm throwing something whether you stab or not. I'm putting something, something coming up out of there. Yeah. But the run, the smaller thing, it was when we had the jumbo day when you got to run 400s and 300th and 200s and 200s and 150s, Joe. Those were the days. That's what got me. But it didn't really bother me because I could run the 4th,

So I really, I could pace. You couldn't be like, you're supposed to do like 70 seconds or less. So I can do a minute, take three minutes off and do it again. So that's what, you know, I can build up like that. But each week we add and we get better and better. And then like two weeks we start backing it down. Because the one thing, I didn't want, hell, I didn't want to peek on the damn track. I didn't, I didn't say somebody's, but I got my ass in camp.

What got me to run it like that is that when I first got to Denver and Dan, if you jumped outside, you had to run the forehand. You had to run around football fields. And so he'd get frustrated at the offense and hell, somebody's like, oh, y'all bulljab. And so he tells everybody to take off. Oh, yeah.

And football. And you, hey, Ocho, remember I told you, Ocho, B, I don't know what it was. All I did was, hey, you get tired? Yeah. Hey, on two, on two. Huh, but. Take off. God, hey, sharp.

Man, I could have, but hey, I was out of there. I was out of there. Hey, that's funny. A, full speed. Full speed. And so, you know, we have two mini drills. Okay, you got to go until you score. Right.

So, you know, Lime, A sharp. Come on, let's get a. So we get a big playoff to start. I might break it back. All right, first down. First down. Man, there's damn time. That ain't no first down, man.

Delay a game. Be back in a picture. Bay, Ocho. Hey, I'm going to, whoa. Yeah. Like, I figured out, we scored. We're done. Yep.

They create their own scenarios. Yes. Boy, Ocho. Oh, my goodness. I don't know. It was the days, Ocho. Yeah. There were the days, man.

There was a days. I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take anything from that. I wouldn't take it. It took all of that. And you realized because, like, the likelihood of in the two-minute drill,

Ocho, you scored on the first play, it ain't very good. Nah, not at all. You might get a situation where you get a big play, but I'm talking about just take it to the house. Right, right, right. Nah. Joe, y'all had two of days.

Y'all do two of days? Yeah. Basketball? NBA? Well, yeah. What, yeah. I ain't, I ain't, okay. I mean, they don't do it no more, huh?

Man, I don't think they, I don't think they do it no more, but when I first came in the league, Ocho, all way up to 10, 11, 12 years. Yeah. Two of days, partner. Yeah, practice would be hard too, though, Joe. Man, what?

I wish these, I wish those players today could see how we practice. Back then. Hey, that's about a good two hours and 45 minutes, Joe. Sometimes. Easy. Depending on how many times you mess up. And both are practices.

And we have practices. we've been passed both practices, Joe. Yeah. It ain't no, like now they got, I think now they might practice, they practice in the morning, Ocho, and they got walkthroughs or they got film study the afternoon. What, film study?

Huh? No, sir. Hey, same with basketball. Man, look, you had to be taped before, you had to be taped for both of them practices. You know what I'm saying? They was going to go well over two hours. Now, I think, if they do do two of days,

I think the first one, or either or the, The first one of them got to be two hours, another one got to be like an hour. You know, they didn't scale everything back now. It ain't the same no more. Right, right. Well, see, that's like, that's, but see, when Mike came,

Mike was like, okay, the second practice is going to be based on how well the first practice go. Right, right. Yeah, they take that. You know, you know, we might be, you know, also we might have a 10, 10, 10 practice. Right. Offense 10, defense 10.

Office 10, defense 10. Office 10, defense 10. We are out of there. Mm-hmm. We try to make that thing. Now, you go out there, bull, John. Hey, boy, look here. I guess that's why my old hip says ain't what they used to be.

They're what they used to be. Hey, but hey, you got it, though, man, because I was thinking about it's like, damn. And sometimes I was thinking, like, was NFL as hard as college? I don't think our practices in the NFL, I think NFL practices are more mentally challenging on children. To me, not, I couldn't be wrong. Now, I don't know what everybody has,

But I'm saying that Savannah State, Bill Davis got it. With Bill Davis said, I'm going to get butter from a duck. He got it up out of you? He got it. Hey, look. Bill Davis said,

I got to trim the fat. He said, I'm going to say, I'm going to push you off. I'm going to push you to the edge. Yeah. And I'm going to slowly bring you back. Nah,

just go ahead and push me over the edge. I ain't trying to come back. I ain't trying to come back. Boy, Bill Davis got it out of it. Boy, and it's so hot. If you from, if you're from Chatham, County, if you from down that area,

you know them sand nats are bad. I don't know if y'all don't know if y'all anything about Paris Island, but Paris Island was the Marines train. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they got sand nats. And I had never heard of those, I mean, I knew what to say. I heard of sand nats because Savannah, uh, the model league team, that's what they were

called. They were called the sand gnats. So I, I knew what they were, but I didn't have had the experience a little bit because of Savannah country, they had them. Man, I got down the old choke. I'm talking about Ocho, I'm talking about they had to tow me up. I'm talking about somebody just like, just took needles and poke me.

That's how bad the thing told me up. Some people call them saying, please. But boy, and they were bad. It was hot, it was long. I ain't never heard of it. I had to Google that saying that. Hey, hey. What did they say, Ocho?

Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. What did they say they do, to you. San Nats, also known as noceums or biting, or biting midges, or tiny one three millimeter flies that deliver painful, itchy bites primarily in coastal, marshy and dam areas. Savannah, coastal and marshy. They call it the coastal empire.

Hey, that means they down here. They're down here. I don't know. I don't know. They might have them in down there. I'll never, but I know they die down in Savannah. Yeah. Man, look here.

My senior band of faith got so bad, Ocho and Joe. Yeah. Man, I started me a bar and fire. Coach there's a goddamn home. You're going to burn the whole deal now. Man, the baby's so bad. I'm telling you, man, man, I started wearing sleeves, man. They had me tow up.

Anybody from Savannah? Y'all, hey, jump in the chat. Anybody from Savannah, the Charleston area, Parris Island, the South Carolina, the, man, they had me on fire. Hey, listen, I'm with you. college was the hardest for me on. Okay, Ocho.

Yeah. As far as from a working standpoint. Yes, that's all I'm saying. From a working standpoint. I'm talking about they getting you up at five in the morning, they're running them heels. Hey, man, we put in some work, partner. Like, you know, at 18 years old, you know,

I had some hard working days in my younger days. But when I got to college, it was nothing like that, bro. Oh, man. Bill Davis told us to say, if you can't better yourself by coming to college, if college, if you can't better yourself from college, if your situation at home is better than this,

you had the wrong place. You had the wrong place. Shit, man, I couldn't go back to Glenville, man. Working that hard-ass job. I mean, I worked basically until like the last week. Last week. Had it by school clothes. Yeah.

What kind of job you're doing on? I was working in the fields, man. At that time, my senior, because the guy that I used to work for Mr. Joe Tatum, he had stopped having planting tobacco. He had really transferred into like put wooding, cutting down trees, logging, that situation. So he had moved on from that.

So that was like my junior year, he stopped that. And so I worked for a guy up the road name of Thurmond Dasher. He had tobacco, so we still worked with him. and some of the crew that went with Thurmond Dasher. My senior year, I did landscaping, poured out, laid asphalt, things like that. Yeah. And so we landscaped, and we had to be in Savannah.

I lived in Glenville, which is 65 miles away. We had to be on a job. We had to be on a job like 630, 7 o'clock. So what time I got to be, I got to be up early. So the guy, uh, uh, Kim, I think was Tim. Tim Fair. One of the, it was two, it was twin. I don't know, I forget which one it was.

He would pick me up, drive down in Savannah. We land skater, we put a lay asphalt, do all kind of stuff, and then come back. When I got back home, I would shower, go straight, ride my bike to the park, play basketball, or go to the field, go to run sprints. Ride my basketball, ride my bike back home, or my sister would come pick me up. I put the car, put the bike in a car and we'll go back home. I'd probably get home, probably around 10. he gonna come horn gonna blow probably about really he didn't really blow

because I was already out on the porch because my grandmom and then might be sleeping or somebody who's sleep so I was already sitting on the porch waiting for probably about 5.30. Ooh. Because 6.30, 6.45, fire an alarm more up, Ocho. Ready to go. Ready to go. Hey.

That type of work that would be a character, boy. It built something. Hey. Like my grader, as you say, rise and shy. My uncle said he told him one day I'm a rise, but that damn show ain't going to John. But I just, what I do, that's what I knew. When I was like, man, and I'm looking at because I'm the youngest, I'm 18, just turned 18.

Right. And I'm working at. And I see guys 28, 30, 35 doing the jobs that I have been doing. I say, man, there ain't no way in hell I'm doing this. The rest of my life, oh, hell no. Yeah. With no, with no insurance. and you don't have to get the man

then had to sign for you okay you didn't have to you know you don't been on the building they don't sign for you well I ain't gonna be able to make it to work today all right well go ahead and send me the keys yeah he's signed for the car so he could get the truck key

you can't go nowhere all right I'll be out there in a minute I see man that ain't no kind of life man I ain't theft that hey listen that's why I'm like you I worked at UPS when I was 18 I was in high school

and I should see all them old dudes in there. They used to out, they all had back brace. They're like, Joe, you need to get you a back brace. I'm like, back brace. Shit, they're temporary. I don't play. Exactly. I ain't going to be longer here alone

to have no back problem. I promise you that. Hey, I'm going to get up out of here. Y'all ain't going to get nothing but probably a good month out of me. If that, I'm getting up out of here. I'm going to school probably, yeah. I ain't, what? What?

Hey, Joe, man, look here. Them Joe would be drinking. They'd be drinking that white pork. Man. Like T.J. Swan, they got to get them big, them big can. Joe, you, oh, Joe, you, oh, Joe, you, oh, you, y'all remember the big care of O-E and Slip's my liquor? Yeah, I do.

The can by this big. O-E. What's that? That's, that's, that's, that's, my liquor, uh, uh, well. The Slits was the bull. They used to have commercials. They used to have commercials. They used to have a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, a old E-800.

Yeah. The can's, the other one, the other one got the glass, a glass bottle. Big, I'm talking about big. I'm talking about big. They had to be 24 ounces. Hold on with the paper. Yeah, look at what's in the paper bag, right?

The brown paper bag. Yes, yes. Hey, look, Ocho, my freshman year of college, my roommate Larry Satchel, bro. This man used to drink 240 ounces every night of OE. Mind you, we both 18. I'm like, bro, how is you? I'm talking about he cut up, though. Okay, Ocho, boy probably got five, six body fat, percent body fat.

A man drinking OEA at night, two 40 ounces. Yeah. See, that's what the can, the big can was 24 ounces. The bottle, that big old glass bottle, Joe, that was the 40 ounce. That's what he had. He drank two of them, bro. We were sitting in the living room every night, I swear. And chop it up.

He used to drink two old, Joe. Damn. They had that coat 45. You remember the cold 45? Yeah. See, they don't really have the commercials like they used to have because you used to have commercials all the time. Slits malt liquor,

old E, they had Colt 45, Papp's Blue Ribbon. Yeah, yeah. They had all the commercials on. They used to, uh, and so,

hey, them chos get drunk out there, old Joe, we end up leaving. They go fall asleep in the woods. I ain't, look. I ain't,

they get drunk, and fall asleep in the woods, yeah. Fall asleep in the woods. Ain't, ain't, ain't nothing out there? No predators,

nothing? Hey, all I know they'd be on that damn truck the next morning. So I don't know what happened. They're by a hitchhiker ride, a hitchhike ride. Because everybody knew everybody from Glenville.

Right. And so if it's somebody from Glenville, hey, what you, hey, you, hey, you just catch a ride. I ain't never been no beer, I ain't never been no beer drink at all. Nah, but I just, hey, boy, give me a bit, give, hey, I'm a little fella. I go in there, hey, you know, you're not supposed to sell. Man, I go in there get them jokes, hey, they don't want to get out the truck, they want to do nothing. Right.

And they give me, hey, they give me money. I go in there get them a beer. I go get them a beer. I go get a cigarette. I was getting everything I want, getting anything. They sell it to me. I was six, seven years old.

Buy an oldie, cold 45 cigarettes. Because, hey, I was young. Hey, I jumped out off the truck and go get somebody. Hey. Yeah. Hey, Peewee, go get me a slits. Or they had a tab because Mr. Joe would work at the corner store, Christine Sapp, her and her husband.

And they had a corner store. So you have a tab. and then at the end of the week when he pay you, you straighten up so, you know, guys will get hot dog, get beer, get whatever they want. Hey, I go in there and say, hey, put this on such and such tale. Big old beer, cigarettes. Come out there handy to him.

There was the days, you know, I'm back to the day. You know. Hey, hey, and when you post, hey, look, look, he said you smoked a couple of cigarettes back in. I got to go, hey, Pwee, your girl, Miss Mary, know you smoke? No, and you ain't going to tell her. Hey, hey, hey, I might have pulled out.

my mama gives a cigarette to go light the fireworks. Yeah. I may pull up out that thing. You took a, yeah, you took a little puff on that thing? A little drag, just see what we were here, you know. My mom smoked them Salem Slims, the Martha Lice. I was like, that's what my mom smoked in the green pack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. My grandma used to smoke Benson and Hedges. Remember Benson and Hedges? Yeah, I know Bison and Hedges, yeah. Get about a garden. Yeah, yeah. That was my, my uncle them smoked Winston. Weston tastes good like a cigarette should.

I don't, they don't even have, they don't have cigarette commercials anymore. No, but what I was in the 70s, in the 70s and the 80s, that's all you salt. Yeah.

Beer and cigarette commercials. Damn. Hey, I wonder, I wonder if cigarette and beer sales are still just as good as they were back then, even though they don't advertise it and marketing as much as they do now.

I bet you're up there It's up there Because guess what You're sporting events You can't have a cookout You can't have a tailgate event Without no beer on show Without beer yeah

They don't even need commercials no more Basically shit They don't They don't And I think they probably pass a lot They can't advertise Because back then Hell 18 years old

You could buy beer and smoke cigarettes Yeah But then it kind of shifted a little bit. People started dipping more. The skull came out. The pouchless tobacco came out. Or with the essence of they put in their mind, huh? Yeah, yeah.

You know, my grandfather used to chew tobacco. He had a red man. My brother used to chew tobacco. He was a Levi-Garrett guy. Both of my grandmothers dip snuff. I don't know if stuff did all that. Leave her on the country. Yeah, man.

Granted like that honeybee. And a brown, it was in a little tin can like this here, had brown paper, had brown wrapping around it, grandma Charlie like Blue Naval, and Bullet the Wood. So Bullet the Wood was like a square, square tobacco, and you take a knife and cut pieces of it off. Boy, braving my tobacco. Don't worry about it.

I'm going to get me a little piece before you get to you. Hold on. You did put it in your mouth? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if they, I'm sure they're, still do dip snuff, but I don't know if grandparents dip snuff and chewed tobacco like my grandparents,

no, no, okay, okay. Yeah, oh yeah, but I'm doing with the day, hey, said me to get some, I got to get me a little something too. Yeah. Yeah, but my, but granted, granny, uh, true red man and boy, you go, uh, honeybee. That was the name of the snuff, honeybee. Um, boy, brain me, brain me, snuff back.

All right. Boy, doing with the day. I look back on the day. I'm going to call Spey to Marston. Man, Spack, you remember we used to get brandy snuff? Man, look. Hey, hey.

Boy, look, I got some stories. Me and the homies went to the, we snuck out the house one night. Uncle Ocho, probably about 1.30, 2 o'clock in the morning. And the winning got some black and mild. We had never smoked no black and miles. We got some black and miles.

We got some black and miles. We're walking back to the house. my grandma got a green she had a green crown vick I seen that green crown vick coming I said I knew that ain't my grandma coming we walking and smoking like we grown boy we see hey once I knew my girl you should see we stopped we just threw them

we threw them right so she said get y'all that's in this car it's 2 o'clock in the morning we probably ain't but 15 man soon we got in the car she said y'all's been smoking dope I said man I'm saying nobody's been smoking dope no dope She said, I'm telling them, I'm telling you your uncle's on you. Boy, you're talking about some guys getting right.

Yeah. Hey, I remember, Joe, I don't know. I don't know if they had, were y'all from Uncle Joe? Y'all remember Beetys? Little beeties. It's like, damn, I don't know how to explain it, man. I used to get him from the corner store. What word?

What word it? It's like, almost like a cigar, like a black and mild, but it was real, real thin. I think I know somebody used to smoke something. Yeah, somebody in the chat got it. I didn't know what diabetes are. I just smoked them before, before I understood, you know, what cigars were at the time. Yeah. Well, my grandfather, I think that's where my brother gets it from.

That's what my brother likes cigars. Because my grandfather, like, my grandfather smoked cigars and he had pipe tobacco. You know what I'm saying? So that piles tobacco, you had a pipe. He had a pipe that you dip it up out of there and pack it down up in there. So he smoked, he's from a pipe. and he smoked cigars. And, you know, a lot of them old men, really,

they rolled their cigarettes. So they had Prince Albert, or they smoked Paul Marr, which didn't have filters. So them old men were, hey, man, hey. Them old men had some logs on them. Hey, boy, listen, God rest my grandpa's soul, boy, but hey, he smoked nothing but they gas, okay, Ocho. Ooh, I'm talking about the whole house, man.

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