Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Dolphins still alive, Micah Parsons clap back, Mike Williams shades Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins taking down Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho go in on Dallas Cowboys Micah Parsons after he addressed his controversial comments on HC Mike McCarthy, Pittsburgh Steelers WR Mike Williams throws shade at New York Jets Aaron Rodgers and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:32 - Intro06:23 - Dolphis beat Rams41:33 - Cooper Rush to get 1 more shot with Cowboys48:18 - Mike Williams pokes fun at Aaron Rodgers #redline01:01:00 - Brian Daboll asked if Daniel Jones is still the qb01:03:46 - Bryce Young(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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by the score of 23 to 15. Tua was 20 of 28, 207, one touchdown, one interception. They ran the ball 22 times for 67 yards, not a whole lot, but Tua did just enough. Three sacks, one turnover. Matthew Stafford was 32 or 46, 293. No touchdowns. No, they didn't score.

They kicked five field goals. They missed one. He had one interception, got sacked four times. Puka Nakua had nine catches for 98. Cooper Cupp had seven for 80, but none of them got the ball into the end zone. And I would, it was three possessions back to back to back to back where the dolphins turned it over

and then the Rams turned it over and then the dolphins turned it over again. So with that being, yeah, I think that's how it went but it was three consecutive possessions in which a turnover occurred. But until the dolphins get on the, get the win by the score of 23 to 15 over the Rams they do it on the road.

They moved to three and six. So now with seven games to go, what do you think the chances are the Dolphins go on a stretch here, win some games and get into the playoffs? I mean, listen, in order for the Dolphins to go on a stretch, two is gonna have to play perfect. You're gonna have to protect the ball,

not throw any interceptions. And Mike Medeiros has to get that passing game going the way it was going last year. Every game, Tyreek Hill was hitting his head off the goalpost. They was putting Tyreek in position to make plays. They got to get the ball to waddle. They need a third person who I would say was Odell Beckham. They need to find a way to integrate him into the game plan as well.

Because for one, if you're going to double, if you're going to double God damn Tyreek, you're going to single up or sometimes depending on what defense defense they play, you will double up God damn Waller as well. They got to find a way to add Odell Beckham as a threat to the passing game, to open things up a little bit more for the run game. Most of the Ney Chan, they was OK tonight. Still not enough if you want to go into seven game win streak in the next nine games. The chances of them actually doing it is very difficult.

Now they got seven games. No, they got to win seven of the last nine though, Unc, in order to make the guy that they got. No, no, no, no. They can't win seven of the nine because there's not nine games left. Wait, what? Oh, it's Monday. There's only seven games left. What week is this? Wait, what? Oh, it's Monday. There's only seven games left. What week is this week? Nine. No, on. There's three and six. OK, OK, OK.

Well, if my master and you write, right. So that's not three plus six is nine. You got you got a gay. Actually, they got eight or 17 games. They got eight games left. Right. OK, OK, OK. So they got to they got to win. They need seven of the last eight. No, I think the question is, yeah.

Now, if they get in, that means you might cause, are they going to be three teams from the NFC North? Because it might come down to them in Cincinnati because I think you and I both believe Baltimore and Steelers are going to get in. Oh yeah. One will win the division, the other will be the top wild card, right? Yeah. Okay. You got Kansas City, right?

And you probably going to have, looks like it's going to be Houston. So if you got Baltimore and Cincinnati, you got Kansas City, you got Houston, and Buffalo, that's five. You only got two spots left. Hold on, you left off the Steelers, you ain't even say Pittsburgh. No, I said one of those will win the division and the other will be the top.

Wild card, that's two. Buffalo, three. Kansas City, four. Houston, five. Okay, you got Cincinnati, you got Cincinnati, Miami, Denver. Yeah. Denver. What you what you threw them in there for? Because Denver is for is what? What's the record? Five and four, four and four.

The Broncos are five and four. Hey, listen, listen, listen, the Broncos, the Broncoscos are five and five. Oh Joe, listen, I know. I know they have 500. I know. Listen, this ain't the make a wish foundation. The Broncos ain't going nowhere. The Broncos. Listen, they ain't that you don't realize there are two games clear of the Dolphins in the win column too. You do understand it's it's it take the snap of the fingers for the Dolphins that look like the Dolphins are old and they turn

that thing around and go and go on a run. We can't compare the goddamn Denver Broncos offense. Hold on, but you comparing the Dolphins of the Dolphins of old that can just snap a finger and get on the road. So what are you doing? The only reason they don't look right offensively in Tyreek and Waddle's numbers are down this year is because Tua was out. That's the only reason.

So what's the likelihood of Tua, you counting on Tua, you willing to bet any amount of money that Tua is going to gonna stay healthy rest of the year Okay, he already what is history showing you miss four five games What is history showing you with two history is showing you that he's gotten hurt. He didn't get hurt all that shit. Remember? Okay, but what the year before what happened? Okay. Yeah, he got fucked up that year. No, the year before that bullshit. But again, the run with the Marhael him and hit him.

Listen, I guarantee you he knows how to slide now. I guarantee you that. But he was holding on to the ball a lot. He took some he took some hits tonight. Oh, Joe, he can't be. He got to get rid of the ball. Yeah, you got to get rid of the ball. But obviously, sometimes you have to keep your poise in the pocket.

Sometimes you can't you can't get happy feet just because you've had concussion. You still got to play the game the right way and wait, wait, wait, what's the Chargers record? What are we doing with the Chargers? Oh, oh, you know what? Hey, hard, I got them boys playing some good football. Hey, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm be honest with you. And the item, please help me understand this. It's the same goddamn personnel with the charges from a defensive perspective.

Same players from last year. Harbaugh got them boys playing like they completely different. Like as a whole new personnel, they playing some good goddamn football. It's amazing what happens when a certain coach comes in, not everything just turn around for some goddamn reason. And the players are still the same. All I know is there are two teams that are way clear of the bingles and and the dolphins That's the broncos and that's the uh charges

So that means two of these so you got broncos charges bingles and dolphins two of those four teams aren't going to make it I can tell you which two are going to make it I can tell you which two I can tell you which two are gonna make it. I can tell you which two, I can tell you which two teams after the four of you just named and I mean no disrespect to any Broncos fans, any Chargers fans that are in here, but if anybody is going and has the personnel and the team offensive weapons to go, it's gonna be the goddamn Bengals and the goddamn Dolphins. not about- Your defense is terrible, Ocho. Your defense is last. What?

Your defense is terrible. Our offense is awesome. Okay, listen, this is how you know your team is bad. You score five, Joe Burrows throws five touchdowns, they lose. Jerry Goss throws five interceptions, they win. Now you tell me what's wrong with that pitcher. I don't like where you're going with this.

No, no, no, no. One guy has 11 for 264, 267. They lose. With 428 yards passing, five touchdowns. The other guy doesn't even throw for 300. Yes, sir. And five interceptions, they win. Your defense, your offense can't overcome.

It's great, think about it. You scored 38 last time and you lost. We only lost by one point, man. We only lost by one point. And there's a chance that we could've won that game. There's a chance that we could've won that game. It's not like we got blown out. Now we did lose, yes.

We had opportunity to win that game. It just so happened, it didn't go just so happened it didn't go in ending it didn't go away it didn't go away y'all 28 y'all 22nd and past defense starting position after kickoff is 25th points loud is 26 rush yard differential is 26 rush offense is 27% sack defense is 12 to 28 rush offense is 29 third down your 29th defensive red zone your 30th, defensive red zone touchdowns your 31st. So what that tells me is when the teams get the ball down there, let's go and touchdown there and kick the field goals. Yeah, but you know what I think and I don't like some you just said too about my goddamn bangles

and I don't really appreciate it. You talk about we our offense can't overcome a bad defense but I think it can. And we gonna show you probably can, especially in the back half of the season, after goddamn Thanksgiving, when the football games count the goddamn most. You'll be so far, you'll be out of it. Okay, let's bet.

Let's bet. Oh, Joe. So let me get this straight. So you think the Bronx, so you sitting here arguing me about my goddamn bangles as good as we are offensively, that you think the goddamn Bo nicks led Broncos is gonna go to the goddamn playoffs before us

What I'm saying is as far as as as bonded is your office is your defense is equally as bad, okay? That's I see we going with this and it's very difficult to overcome Because I'm think about it. Yes, you guys had a 21 seven lead, right? And in three possessions, you're down 28, 21. Yeah. So if your office doesn't score every possession, what happens? The opposite, the opposing team office catch fire and they go boom, boom, boom, boom. Boom. You're right. You're right.

You do realize Lamar Jackson. Go ahead. I'm with you when you right you right let's not you do realize Lamar Jackson go ahead I'm with you when you're right that's one thing about it but I sense a little bias and I don't like that I sense a little bias because you play what bias I'm just saying the Broncos are five and five the Dolphins are three and six yeah I know listen the Dolphins are three and six but you understand the circumstances and what occurred on why the Dolphins the three and six, the goddamn bangles we got damn. Damn, I don't got to think y'all might be foreign seats. OK, OK. What's the deal? I mean, the Bengals record.

Even even though we're foreign six, you have to understand some. We always start slow. Not only have we started, not not only have we started slow, not only is our defense bad, I still think despite what you just said, we still have the offense to overcome the bad player defense. You can't. Joe Burrow, you know, I know Joe, Joe won't see this shit anyway. Joe, you have to score on every goddamn possession. If it's not a touchdown, you got to give us three. You got to understand that. And half the time we even to be playing the

goddamn Baltimore Ravens. We know when we play in the Baltimore Ravens. Now when it comes to nut crunch time, I'm speaking to the Patriots. Y'all lost to the Patriots. You lost to the Eagles. You lost to the commanders. So not only were you losing in September, you lose it in October, in November. So now what? Okay. You'll see. You'll see. We, you lose it in October in November. So now what? OK, you'll see. You'll see. We just put up 38, 35. You know that, right? And you lost.

Who was playing? You lost. I know. Who were you? Hello. If you're the team, what you said you are, you got to beat those teams. You know who? So who you think you're going to see in the playoffs? The Jags. All right. Just you know what? The Raiders? The Jets? I'm just trying to figure out who you think you're gonna see in the playoffs. I don't like your tone and I can't see the chat and I don't like the chat tone either. But no I'm asking I'm just trying to figure out yes who do you think

you're gonna play in the playoffs?'re good teams that make the playoffs. So when we get to the playoffs, we're going to play the best of the best? We're going to play the best of the best? And you know one thing about the playoffs? You know one thing about Cincinnati playoff football? The new Cincinnati, the winning culture of Cincinnati. Them boys come to play ball, man.

Ocho. Man, y'all got Ocho. I have never seen a team try to get the last, y'all tried to squeeze that Super Bowl run. Bro, y'all still squeezing that, man. Damn. I don't like this.

I don't like this. Damn. Y'all went to the Super Bowl, y'all went to the Super Bowl, and now y'all think y'all perennial, no you're not. We are a perennial contender. Just because, just because your Broncos went to the goddamn Super Bowl three times with John Elway and you still live in you still live with John.

How many how many are one five? How many are one? I want I want all the ones I went to. I don't know what he was. He was over three before I got there. But we was two and over him and I was one and one with the Ravens. What do you know with the Ravens? The fact that we were able to got there. But we was two and oh with him and I was one and one with the Ravens. One and oh with the Ravens. The fact that we were able to get there that means a lot because we ain't been there since god damn 1988 when we lost the goddamn John Taylor and Jerry goddamn Rice.

Yes. So y'all also went 81. Y'all went what 81? Y'all lost to the San Francisco in Detroit too. We did? Yeah. Well I gotta do the San Francisco in Detroit, too. We did. Yeah. Well, I got to do the history homework. Ken Anderson. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. Listen, I'm feeling good because I know I know. I'm 82. Hey, chat, chat, y'all get me? Hey, chat. Yeah. Hello. Hello.

I make it. Yeah, you hear me. Hey, real football with the real football season, you know, it does start to after Thanksgiving. I'm going to tell you again. The and I want you to pay attention, pay attention to the dolphin team and the Bengal team you get after Thanksgiving and then come and talk to me. And they go for anybody in the goddamn chat. Anybody that disagrees with what I'm trying to tell you about the dog.

Oh, Joe, you still got two games against the Steelers man in that defense man we fit up for the money walk the Steelers what you talking about man don't play don't play like that okay you know hey the Steelers don't even listen the Steelers have JJ what right TJ T I'm in bad. They all they all look the same. TJ what? They got Joey Porter Jr. They got George Pickens. Yeah. Russ, Najee Harris, Warren, Firemute. Hey now they got Mike Williams. They got Mike. Okay they good. My bad. Hey, you see, you see it. Take a shot and you know who today, right?

Who? Oh, the red line, the red line. So yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about that. OK, OK, OK. The Dolphins, they got the work cut out for them. I mean, because that's the thing to Ocho. Yes, sir. That them and the Bengals. When you play this bad early, you got to be perfect late. Yeah. So you can't have any slip ups.

Yeah. When you play, when you deal with that oblong shaped ball, sometimes it bounced and it comes right to you. Sometimes it bouncing goes the other way. A kick, doink, boom, a block kick. Boom. Now all of a sudden you like, damn, you go back and look, we should have what, man, how do we let the Patriots beat us?

That's how do we let, I mean, we, we were up by two scores. Yeah. You were off by two scores in both times against them. Uh, against the Ravens though. Joe, turnover. Yeah. You know, and, and this is the funny thing about it.

Think about the turnovers we had in that game. You know what the Ravens did? They capitalized on them. The goddamn Detroit Lions turned the ball over five times. Tell me how many times the Houston Texans capitalized on the five turnovers. The D's, see? See? You see the difference? Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, the game of football is the game of inches, man. It's the game of inches. But here's the thing. You don't get the take. And that's one of the things that I was talking when I was in Baltimore. Yeah. I said, that's the best thing about football.

They don't take a team's offense and then take somebody else's defense. You go as a team where you don't go at all. Oh yeah. So no matter how prolific one side of the ball is, the other side at some point in time has to carry its weight in order. Yeah.

For it to make it happen. Yeah. I like that. Hey, that updated draft order. Oh, Joe, the Jacksonville Jaguars hold the number one pick the New York Giants hold the number two pick the Tennessee Titans, three Cleveland, four Vegas, five Patriots, six saints, seven jets, eight Carolina nine, Miami, 10th, as we currently sit here today. Yeah. I like to.

Hey, they just played Trevor Lawrence all that money, right? Yeah. If the draft order was still to remain the way it is right now. They ain't taking a quarterback. They not? Hell no. Well, I could have told you that. So that means Travis Hunter gonna have his ass

goddamn screaming, Duval! Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you think about it, all the Giants need a quarterback. Titans need a quarterback. Cleveland needs a quarterback. Vegas needs a quarterback.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on. You done gave up on Will Leves already? It's only a second year starting. Giants need a quarterback. Tennessee needs a quarterback. Browns needs a quarterback. Vegas needs a quarterback. The Patriots will not take a quarterback

that just took Drake May number three overall. The Saints needs a quarterback. I can see the Saints taking a quarterback. The Jets taking a quarterback. I don't believe Carolina takes a quarterback, nor does Miami. The question is, is there somebody down that we don't know about willing to trade up? Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's

Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I can tell you, I can tell you who the first two quarterback are going to be off the goddamn board. I can tell you that.

Who we got? I win it go, goddamn Cam Ward and Shador. And based on the team and what they want, based on the preference and style of play, style of quarterback, you know, once they do background checks and all the other good stuff, you know, and go back to the goddamn kindergarten class and talk to their teacher, you know, what them two going first. If anything, in Jacksonville, if it remains the same, in Jacksonville has the first pick in the goddamn draft, Travis Hunter is going number one. I can see that.

Current marked draft, number one overall pick, Travis Hunter. Number two overall pick to the Giants, Shadour Sanders. Yeah. Number three overall pick, Cam Ward, quarterback, Miami. Number four overall pick, Cleveland Browns, Macmillan, the receiver, out of Arizona. Number five, Will Johnson, cornerback, Michigan.

Number six overall to the Patriots, OT, Will Campbell. Number seven, D-Line, Mason Graham. Yeah. Eight, Abdul Carter, Edge, Penn State. Number nine, Nick Scorton, Edge, Texas A&M. Uh, number nine, Nick, what is that? Kirk, Skorton edge, Texas, a and M and then Kevin banks, junior OT, Texas. Yay.

I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like that little mock draft. Who is that? That's male copy shit. I don't know who that is. Okay.

We might, Hey, we might, we might, we might start our own mock draft. Now we don't watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, get that thing. We don't watch enough tape, man. We don't watch no tape. We can't, I mean, look, I ain't got the time to sit down and break down no tape. I got too much of my plate right now.

With five shows, two ESPN shows, and a show, one, two shows a week with Club Shay-Shay, I absolutely have no time. Hey, you know what's funny? When I think about it, you know, without having to dive deep into it, you know, from the surface level, from a fan watching collegiate games, I can kind of tell you who is that boy who's not. I don't need to sit there and watch 200,000 hours of goddamn film to tell you, oh, that young fella there, he can play. When you turn on the film,

there are 22 people on the field. If you really like that, outside of that 22 on film, that individual always pops out. He always pops out, always. You can tell who's who. And that's pretty much it. That's my piece. I am not male sniper.

No, I don't wanna watch, look, my days of watching film with the kind of purpose that it needs. Right. That died once I done with, you know, I would occasionally watch it when I was with CBS because I wanted to know, because you know, the thing is when you first get into television, you wanna make sure all your I's are dotted and all your T's are crossed.

And you want to make sure that you know what you're talking about, because the one thing you want to have is when you get into this business, it's credibility. So, you know, I would get film and I would break it down and I would look at it like, okay. And so, but I don't watch it like that, like I once did. Occasionally, I'll take a glance at it, but nah. No. Micah Parsons responds to the backlash on the McCarthy quote.

Micah thinks the media twisted his word last night. You would think guys that played and coached the sport would have better journalism, but I was very wrong. They're trying to use my name, image, and likeness with the Dallas Cowboys to continue to tear down this beautiful organization with drama and bad media attention. Be better. Hashtag at get up.

LOL, yeah damn. I'm just going to eat the fire now because the way y'all twist words and flip it around for content is nasty work. You want attention, huh? I'm not going to carry your career and boost your following. I told y'all Michael Parsons is a phenomenal player, but he talks too damn much. This isn't cute, it's very disrespectful

to the entire locker room. Hold on, who said that quote? Who said that quote you just said at the end? Harry Douglas. Harry Douglas, the receiver? Yes. From the Falcons? Yes.

Okay, okay, okay. And he went to, I think he played with the Titans also. I think he finished his career with the Titans. Hey, so, so. Yeah, he's an ESPN analyst now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does some NFL, does a lot of college though. Hey, Harry Douglas, that boy bad.

I know, I be watching Young Bull sometimes, he nice. But listen, for better context really on the Michael Parsons thing, I think what people didn't see it they just heard the context and what he said and didn't hear the questions that were asked so the questions that were asked until you hear the questions that were asked then the answering the answer in which is the way he responded it made a little bit more sense it made a little bit more sense oh Joe yes sir had he left it, had he said, look, right. As a coach, Michael, right.

Excuse me, Coach McCarthy, he can get another job. Right. But a lot of these guys at the end, because you don't really get too old to coach you, but you do get too old to play football. No matter how great a player you are, you'll eventually age out. Yes, sir. Had he said, you know what, Coach McCarthy can go get another job. He's that good of a coach. No matter what you think about me, you phrasing them say, no, he can get another job. He had a job at Green Bay. He was out of work for a year or two, end up getting another job. Who's to say that can't happen again? But where he lost a lot of people when he said, Zach Martin has done way more than Mike McCarthy

ever has or ever will. That was it, Ocho. There is, there is no taking out of context when you say that. So you know, it's funny. You know, it's funny when it comes to that. You got to think about Michael Parsons really not understanding or knowing Mike McCarthy's history outside of him just being the head coach of the Dallas. How's that our fault?

Yeah, I know. I know. You know what? Michael don't really know the history of Mike McCarthy Don't listen that that's where it comes into play understanding your home Understanding your head coach and what he's done in the past before you even got to you Before he before he's even got there. You should know what Mike McCarthy has accomplished understanding that is your head coach But I guess he didn't know that which is why he said what he said Yes. Yeah, oh Joe. There's two things.

You got fine. That's between him and the Cowboys. I don't think the league will find it because he didn't criticize the officiating. Ocho, there's two things you have to be very careful of. The two things you can never get back. Words spoken and deeds done. Because even when you're in a courtroom

and somebody says something and the attorney says, I object. And the attorney and the judge will say, sustained. How do you make the jury unhear what they heard? Right. There are two things you can't get back. I heard that. Words spoken and deeds done.

Words spoken. So that's why you have to be mindful. That's why you have to be careful. Even saying things in the heat of the moment. Right. And we get it. Michael is extremely frustrated. Yeah. But Michael, you got to understand, bro, you've been gone for four weeks.

Where were you? Oh, yeah. I ain't gonna spring, baby. Oh, I got to do me. And you talk to you come back and talk. Maybe you'd have been there. Maybe you could help them. Maybe you did one for the game.

I mean, but he doesn't think about that. That's what I'm saying to you. You got to be careful how you. But he doesn't think about that. That's what I'm saying to Ocho. You gotta be careful. But why would you talk like that? But you have to understand too also, you know, Michael Parsons is talking just normal. He's not media savvy. He's not media savvy understanding what you're saying. He's got a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you have a podcast doesn't mean you're media savvy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you have a pocket that mean you're media savvy. Stay with me now. He's not politically correct. Actually, it's kind of motherfucking refreshing for a change to hear a player

speak and actually tell the truth on how they actually really feel and not and not say some old PCA bullshit. Excuse me about your own locker room, about your coach. I mean, I'm just saying that's how he truly feels. I know he does. So if he truly feels. I know he does. So if he truly feels this way, why does he? OK, if he truly feels this way, Ocho, why is he trying to flip it around and say the media?

If that's how he feels. Oh, yeah, you got to take accountability. You got you got to stand on that. You got to stand ten toes on that, baby. You got to stand ten toes on that. You have to. You got no choice. But I'm just saying I don't I'm not agreeing with what he said. I'm just saying it's kind of refreshing to hear somebody say, you know, this is how I feel. I'm not going to say no

bullshit. I'm going to tell you exactly how I'm feeling right now. Yes. Look, look, at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want to say. You see, well, here's the thing. You get to control your actions. You don't get to control the consequences. Yeah. Yeah. So when you say something, you have. You get to control your actions. You don't get to control the consequences. Yeah Yeah, so when you say something you have you get to control what you say now the backlash that comes along with what you say Oh with what you done, right? You can't get mad at people because they don't feel the same and they say look but see that's the part about being a leader No, oh Joe. Yes, sir. See a leader you have to, you have to say all the right things all the time. That's what a leader does.

You bite the bullet. You don't think Peyton Manning has been so bad at some of them offensive linemen, Tom Brady, all these quarterbacks, but you bite your tongue and you say a lot of the stuff behind closed doors. I've been in meetings, I've been with John. Well, I know what he wanted to say, but I know what he said when he got with us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. See, that's the part I don't like, huh? You know, to me, it takes away the authenticity of the individual itself, because you have to mask yourself and how you truly feel because you're the face of a franchise, or you're the quarterback, or you can't say certain things that you can't say because the media

ain't gonna run with it. That's what I'm just saying. I don't agree with what he's saying, but it's kind of cool and refreshing to finally hear how someone actually truly feels. I'm just saying, like here, let me- Sorry, sorry, if Mike McCarthy came out- I don't agree with what he said.

I just said, hearing a player speak truth and not PC shit, it was different for a change. Cause you don't hear it all. You do know this is the first time Micah's had sacks this season, right? We're 10 weeks into the season, Micah got two sacks. Yes, sir. So Mike McCarthy comes out and says,

Michael Parsons not playing like the player that we thought he was. He's an all pro, he's a defensive rookie of the year. He's also been a defensive player of the year discussion. But right now he's not playing to the Michael Parson standard. You okay with that? He can do that. Yes sir. I like that. I like that. Yeah. You're not. Oh Joe, I get it. But that nah, it ain't nobody doing that. You know that. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Come on man. And that's all I'm saying about Michael. You have to understand the position that you're in. You're not just some, you're not some just arbitr'm saying about Michael. You have to understand the position that you're in.

You're not some just arbitrarily arbitrary guy. You're Michael Parsons. You know what else on? What? Yeah, he's a young fella. He's a young fella. He doesn't know that yet. With growth and time and maturity in the league and understanding how to navigate through the media world and knowing what to say and when not to say it. Understanding you do play for the team with a mother fucker stall you hell. So everything you say, it holds a lot of goddamn weight, especially being the player that you are. He don't know that yet. Oh, Joe. So I need so that needs to be there needs to be training

to know that you don't throw your coach on the bus or you don't throw your teammate on the bus. You need to be trained. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, because something something, you know, right. Wrong, baby. You know, right. Well, then why did he say that about that? All he does is lie about that. That can win us a Super Bowl. He lied all the time.

So he's lied before. Why are you? Why are you? I'm just saying. So you make it feel like Michael hadn't told a lie. He said that we're going to be we're going to have a historically great defense. How many times, Chad, have you heard Michael Parsons say, we're going to have a Ravens type defense? We're going to have a historically great defense. How many times, Chad, have you heard Michael Parsons say, we're going to have a Ravens type defense. We're going to have a Legion of Boom type defense.

So he's lied before. So it's not out of the realm of possibility or probability for him to lie. Damn. He wants to choose this moment. Cause you know, Michael, y'all, you welcome, you welcome to keep the Eagles out of the end zone. You welcome to stop the Saints from dropping 45 on you. Who else do they got somebody

else beat the brakes on? You're welcome. So where was Michael when they were rushing for 270 something yards of Ravens, 250, and the other team rushed for 274 and the Saints. So where was Michael then? So what was his role? You talk about, we can talk about, look here, I'm not an apologist for Mike McCarthy. I will not apologize because I think he's done a horrible job coaching.

I think he lied to get the job and karma has come back. But where was Michael Parsons role in them giving up 250, 274, 200, what role did Michael Parsons role in them giving up 250, 274, 200? What role did Michael Parsons play in that? Damn. Give me the first, because Michael Parsons been out for a week. Give me the first, because Michael Parsons been out four weeks. Give me the first four games, first five games. Hey,

I like this shit. Yeah, I feel good tonight. I feel great. Hey, we're going to be on this bitch five hours a night because I ain't getting off. No, we ain't. I got to go to work. Hey, I took me a nap. It's on. Chat, y'all good? Chat a nap. It's on chat. Y'all good. Chat, you gave me chat.

Y'all hello. If you hear one second, his first four games, so he has three sacks now. What do you get? He gave up. I know they gave up 250. They gave up 250, at least 250 to the Ravens. Because Derek Henry ran wild. Yeah. They play somebody else and they gave up 270 something.

270 on the ground? Or you mean in the air? You talking about the Saints game? They gave up 44 points to the Saints. How many rush yards? Kamara had a day. They gave up 190 to the Saints rush yards. Yeah. How much they give to Baltimore? They gave up at least 250 to Baltimore. I know that.

They gave up 274 to who? They gave up, my bad, they gave them 274 to Baltimore. Because they haven't won a game at home. So who did they play after Baltimore at home? Okay, what about on the road? Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so in that situation, like I said, look, I'm not apologizing with Mike McCarthy because I think he's done, you know, he doesn't have his team prepared. Uh, the only game they were prepared, uh, is when they played Tampa. And I don't think anybody thought Tampa was any good. I think Tampa won eight games that year, but they were in

a terrible division with Carolina, the Falcons and, uh, uh and New Orleans. And they won the vision. And we saw this coming all year. The games that they won, they were skating by. And I knew that the Cowboys going to blow the doors off. But every every year, it's the same thing at home. Forty nine of beat you at home. Green Bay beat you at Green Bay. It's been your home like two or three times in the playoffs. Yeah.

I just I just think the thing is that bro in a situation like this, and I know everybody's frustrated because I remember, hold on. Y'all remember when that was walking through a chat. Y'all remember this? Jump off if you want to. That was yellow. Jump off. Like jump off the bandwagon if you want to. I didn't jump on. I was just watching, I said, hey. Wait, are you talking about last year?

I'm gonna get off. That was last year? That thing about to hit, hey, that thing. About to run into a brick wall at 75. You better hop off. Wait, you talking about last year? No, that was this year. You don't remember, dad was walking in after the game,

they lost. And he told me, jump off if you want to. Oh, yeah. Like, hey, y'all better they lost Anytime I jump off if you want to oh like hey y'all better y'all better stick with us jump off if you want to I don't remember that I remember that Damn, we can't show the video. I wish we could show I wish we could show the video But we're gonna be at the port in january. We're gonna be good. We'll be able to show videos. Okay again video. Okay. Oh Joe Cooper Rush will get at least one more start for the Cowboys. The Cowboys are signing real Will Greer to their practice squad in the wake of Datsun season ending hamstring injury. Well, I'm trying to figure out y'all people are trying to convince me Jerry was like we back on the wood with a Cooper rush. Oh, everybody was a Cooper rush to lead this team.

Look at him. He's so much better than that. Who said that through for 45 yards? Who said he was better than that? But they were trying to be fun. Boy fans. Jerry had people believing that he was good. Jerry said that even Troy, even Troy and Tony Robo said they got a there might be a frenzy for Cooper Rush.

He's a very good quarterback. He right back there in Dallas. And goddamn media dollars, man. You know they don't see anything to support the young fella, man. I understand what he's saying, but you knew he wasn't better than that no matter what. I knew nobody would, bro, he'll back up.

He can win you a couple of games here and there until your starter comes back. But then what nobody gonna put their franchise in his hands. Yeah, I understand. I don't, you know what's funny? Is that's, for them to be able to say that and understanding that he is a backup and he wouldn't be the future of your franchise,

especially putting the keys in his hands for success and being able to compete at a high level, week in and week out, we need to take their credibility cards too. I'm just saying, it's okay for them to do it, but if it's us, we're here at a different standing when it comes to saying certain things about certain players.

Yes. You got to be right. Oh Joe, I try to be as true, look, I try to evaluate as true. Look, I try to evaluate what my eyes tell me, what my experience tells me. I don't look at where he plays. I don't look at the position that he plays. I just basically go by what my eyes tell me and what my experiences tell me.

That's how I evaluate a player. And I know some people like, well, you don't like this guy or you don't like that guy. It's not about like a dislike. My job is not to evaluate a player. And I know some people like, well, you don't like this guy or you don't like that guy. It's not about like or dislike. My job is not to like or dislike. My job is to offer an honest critique of said player, said teams. I try to do that to the best of my ability. I understand when fan bases, certain fan bases don't like what I say. But if you check my history, I've criticized Tom Brady, Tony Romo, some of the great quarterbacks.

When you play well, I got no problem saying you play well. But when you play bad, I think I owe it to the fans that watch me to say that you played bad. When I say you, oh Joe, what fans got to understand, when I say a player is playing bad or played bad, that doesn't take away anything great. Here's the complex. If you've been an all pro, if you've been an MVP, a defensive player of the year,

or whatever the case may be, that doesn't take away from that. You've already won that. That can't be taken away. I'm talking about a specific game or a stretch of games. That's what I'm evaluating you on. Right. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. You're right. You're right.

I like it. And sometimes people like you're trying to diminish the guy. No, how can I diminish what he's already done? It's like the old Will of Fortune. I know you don't remember this, Ocho, and a lot of people in the chat. But Chuck Woolery used to be the original host of Will of Fortune. I know you don't remember this, Ocho, and a lot of people in the chat, but Chuck Woolery used to be the original host of Wheel of Fortune. And they used to, what you do, you spin the wheel

and they would let you buy stuff. So if you won $2,500, you can buy a microwave for $300. I would like to buy that Hears and Her bicycles for $750. So you could buy stuff with the money that you won. Right. And once you buy a prize, it was yours to keep. You only lost if you had money and you hit bankruptcy. Yeah. So I'm like the wheel of fortune. Once that guy has accomplished that, I'm not, I can't take it back.

He's done it. But I think if I think for someone to feel that because they're an accomplished player and they are above reproach, I disagree. I vehemently disagree. I stringently disagree. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Some big words now. Hey, I ain't I ain't never heard that before. What kind of what kind of what you disagree disagree what stream? I stream you see in the ability disagree. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, you can. You can ask the way too long. That I needed the. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of going infinite moneyball, the blindside and Liar's

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. I know everybody, uh, Pan Sejak, people just remember Pan Sejak. Yeah. But Pan Sejak was not the original host of Willa Forte, Chuck Willery was. That was before your time too, old Chuck. Yeah, I used to watch Chuck back in the day, man. He had a little tiny- You ain't watch no Chuck, because he was gone by the time you got there. No, no, my grandma, my grandma used to be having me,

having me, and I know Chuck. He had a little skinny Mike with a little tiny, with a little tiny. Yeah, all of them had those little skinny Mike. Richard Dawson on Family Feud, that's what they're saying, stick Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Mike Rogers pokes a little fun,

hashtag red line, and Aaron Rodgers. I like it. After Aaron Rodgers called out Mike Williams for running the wrong route route. And they lost to the Bills. Williams took the high road after Williams made a stellar debut in the Steelers. He posted on IG celebrating his first game. Williams added three hashtags. Whole lot of hashtag number two was we back. The number three hashtag red line.

The last one was a direct reference to Roger's criticism. Aaron Rogers told reporters after Monday night loss of Buffalo, Williams was supposed to be on the red line on the practice field, five yards from the sideline. Hey, see how you do my Williams under the bus. He's all. Oh, Joe, that's his history. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked, I liked, I liked the subliminal shot though.

I liked it. I liked the little jab. Hey, the Steelers, the Steelers played it, don't play the Jets this year? I don't know, the Steelers played the Jets or they already played played, probably not. Probably not either way. Listen, I like it.

I like I like the fact that it was it was bothering them, you know. Oh, no, but listen, nobody likes to be thrown under the bus. And what's the question? Thank you. That hurt that that hurt. Because do you know how many times we could, hey, what about that FW interception you threw? Oh yeah, oh, hey.

What about that fumble you had? What about that read, what about that heart read that you missed? Hey. There's always stuff to go around, but you're mindful that, look, everybody's in a stressful situation. Our job is to go out there and win all the while

while somebody's trying to hit you in the back of your damn head. Yeah. So I'm not, look, my job is not to try to embarrass somebody. When I get on the sideline, yeah, I would yell, I would try to keep it to a minimum because I know the mics would go and try to pick up anything that I said.

Or the cameras gonna pop. But I would, most of my thing correcting was done once we got into the building away from prying eyes of fans, media, cameras or whoever. Then I will let you have it. But no, I'm not I'm not trying to embarrass anybody because I don't believe anybody went out there and did that. Now, I would have a problem if you bulljabbed around, you slept in a meeting, you were late for meetings,

and you were horse-jabbing around on the field. I had a problem with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Understandable, understandable. But no, but that's, but look, I don't think, you know, that's his history, that's who he is. He's a great, look, he's a great player. You can't argue with, he's one of. That's who he is. He's a great player. You can't argue with,

he's one of the transcendent throwers of the football. Absolutely. His resume is impeccable. He doesn't have the championships to go along where you would think a player of his credential with those four MVPs would have more Super Bowl appearances, more big game appearances. It didn't happen that way for whatever reason. Right.

But his ability to throw the football, his ability to spin the football is unmatched. He's second to none. And he doesn't have to take a back seat to throwing the football to anyone. No, sir. Oh, Joe, before we get to our next segment, the farmer's dog makes and delivers fresh, healthy dog food right to your door. Developed by fresh food, fresh, fresh. My dogs love it. Titus eats about four bags a day developed by best made from fresh, real meat and veggies. Food is preproportioned based on

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than what they got, Ocho? Hold on. It's all in Titus Bowls. Hold on. What about babies? Baby food. Your kids. But they know they got something different.

They get beaches, they get squashed green beans. You eat fried chicken steak. Hey, I got one better for you, Yonk. What happened when you go to dinner? You with your girl. Oh, they definitely eat not your food. I don't like that. You order your food. She order what she want. But when the- Yeah.

She on your plate. Yes. If you want a chicken, why you ain't order chicken? You order Simon. Get your hand out my plate. Yes. Oh, I should have ordered what you- You want some of this? You're not finna get no more of this. Do you want me to? Which hey you want you want some steak Right, right that you can't get what I got cuz you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this, you know

I'm saying oh Joe, I'm gonna get that a five right right right, right You can't get that but I can get you something close to it No, what would you like the real buy you like the sir? You like the sir? law you like to real buy? You like to serve you like the sirloin You like the uh the fillet Because i'm the only one at the table to feed the 500 steak Bring it back bring it back again bring it back bring it back where the fuck Can you find a 500 steak or you just bullshit? No at high end restaurants, they serve a five

And it all depends on how many ounces you get. I go to my restaurant in Atlanta. I thought you said A5 because of my jersey number. No, A5, Japanese Wagyu. Oh, remember I told you I had the Wagyu, remember? Yeah. I don't know where the fuck I went. I don't know where I went, but it was in strips.

You heard me? It was like tiny strips. They were laying on top of each were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And they were really soft and tender and buttery. That thing like butter. Ain't it, Ocho? Yeah, I'm just being honest with you. So when I go when I go to my place in Atlanta, Charles Panos,

appreciate you taking care of your boy. Hey, they normally once they know I'm coming in. Yeah, they already know. Hey, Mr. Sharp, we got you. Hey, whatever you want. So normally I get like tip Sometimes I feel you know, but pockets, you know, I'll be looking at how I'm doing. I Think I go 12 ounces. Yeah, but normally I normally I go 8 to 10. I don't go much bigger than that

You know, it's funny. I can't remember where I was at. I can't know why is that and it's honest, you know I do anything once I try anything once you know, and I have yeah I haven't back I haven't been back to get the wagon again. But but it was good. It was good. And it was different for me who, you know, frequents the Waffle House and I get a steak from Waffle House who frequents no regular restaurant. You mean $100 an ounce. Somebody says $100 a pound. No, it's $100 an ounce. Ain't no pounds. You get a pound. You gonna pay damn good. You gonna pay 16, 17 out of dollars.

Boy. But it's good. But it's good. I treat myself sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't go every time, but normally I like, I like the real buy. I normally do the real buy. I like flavorful cuts of meat. I do the real buy. I prefer not to have it bone in, but sometimes the restaurant only have bone in and then I'll go to something else. I'll probably get the fillet or the sirloin. But uh, Hey, okay. Okay. Okay. But I used to get

chicken. I used to go to a steak house and get chicken. But they used to take care of me because when I would go, when I went to sleep, when I traveled, Ocho, if I went for three days or less, I took my food with me. Right. So I would take enough food for three days, bring it to the hotel, the hotel would warm it up for me. I had a guy come up there and get it, have him put a refrigerator in my room,

they would come get it or they would store it downstairs. I would call down, bring it up. Obviously I'd give him $40, $50 to bring it up. Right, right. And I would eat, that's how I did it. Oh, give him 40, 50 dollars to bring it up. Right. Right. And I would eat. That's that's how that's how I did it. Oh, I remember now. I know I had the wagon beef at where I got them. Jeff Rubies when I was in Cincinnati.

Jeff Wagon, what wagon you had? The the beach wagon, the wagon, the A5. My bad. I'm sorry. How you spell it? How you spell it? Y-A-G-U? W. Okay. W. Okay. W-A-G-U.

Wagoo. W-A-G-Y-U. Okay. Oh, so the Y silent. Yeah, but you got to say it. Okay. Waggy, Waggy-U. Yeah. Anyway, I had it, I don't know if you've been to the precinct or Jeff Ruby steak house in

Cincinnati, but that's where I was when I had the Waggy you and it was good. It was, it was a great experience. I love a good steak. It's something I won't do again though. Cause I'm not paying that kind of money. You pay top dollar and based on the price point of the steak. You understand why I understood why once I ate it because I never felt so soft and buttery like that, you have a touch of woman's skin. You know, I would like to think so.

That's exactly how I got I got three kids. I left a lie to me. OK, OK, OK. That's that's what that that that, that, that, that, that, that Waggie, what Waggie you taste like, feel like, it feel just real. Yeah. But I lie, you look, look, I'm saying like, when I go,

I mean, when I take, when I go out, cause somebody. Ash. Yeah. I'm like Ash, you know, you do not have to order a, what's he like to get? The sashimi. What is it? Sushi. Everywhere we go you do not have to order sushi. We go to a gas station. Do y'all have sushi? What the dang? station. Y'all have sushi. Let me get the sushi and let me get

let me fill up on pump six. And that's funny, man. But that's why when she had the hotel, you don't you let Ash come to your room. If anybody hungry, why you waiting you get in my room and now you hungry? Yeah, oh, oh she get crying she get crab I look at her when she when she crab you would order no crab cakes She's like, okay, I did I know I look at you when you order you get salmon and you get this you come in my room you get crab cake And oh and she get two entrees she in my room, you get crab cakes.

Oh, and she get two entrees. She ain't gonna just get one. Right. I said, man. Y'all be eating good over there, man. Yeah, we are. Look. I'm gonna keep. We on the road a lot.

And the team, they do a great job. Right. Jordan has Jordan because you know everywhere I go, Jordan has to go. Right, right. So you know, because he set up the equipment in the hotel room, you know, he's capturing content behind the scenes. So he goes and so it works. It's great that hopefully he don't get a wife anytime soon,

starts having a damn family because Because he gonna mess the rotation up. But I think he like traveling. He like traveling. All them damn cameras. Hey, what would be the terminology for what Jordan does? Like, not videographer, what would it be? Well, he's all that. He's my social media, my content.

He captured all the content. Your content be real. Your content be so goddamn dope, man. I need, man, I'm just, I'm man. Fuck. I need to get my shit together, man. I do. I had to travel with me that, you know, that wouldn't mind flying spirits, someone that wouldn't mind eating at the places that I look with that. Good luck with that one. Yeah, yeah, he does everything I want.

I want to create content, too. Like I want people taking pictures like when I'm stepping out, when I'm stepping far, you know, and I'm talking to people and, you know, hugging people and I just I don't I ain't got nothing. Yeah. It's all good. He's in the chat. So Jordan, those stuff,

hey, you know we leaving such and such a time. I like how, we in, who said that? Well, so basically he's on the chain with him, Ash, Shelly, CJ, all the people like that. I'm the last to know. I'm the last to know. I'm the last to know. Just hey, Shelly gives me the heads up, I need two days in advance, and we gone.

I got a suitcase always packed, toiletries already packed, I just had to put change of clothes stuff in there, and we off to the races. Brian Daybaugh was asked if Daniel Jones is still the quarterback. Wouldn't say yes, only that they're evaluating things. Johnson three and 13 and Daniel Jones last 16 starts.

If they were to get injured and couldn't pass a physical by March, by March, he'd be owed 23 million fully guaranteed next year. Drew Locke is currently the Giants backup. Hey, why would Brian Day Ball say? He want to evaluate some. How much more evaluation you need to do? What else do you need to see? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's a large sample.

Lacy, maybe Brian Day Ball need eyeglasses. You know, based on what I've seen, I I mean it's okay to try to make a switch to drew lock But only yeah can't because the call got to come from motherfucking upstairs and they didn't pay young bull all that goddamn money They ain't for the let you make the goddamn switch Cuz right now you not in playoff contention. They're not gonna cut Daniel Jones next year There'll be no reason to pull him. Look, they saw Eli Manning. They broke his consecutive game street. And Eli Manning had won two Super Bowls for them.

Yeah. That was on the back end though. Uh, that's what they knew. They knew that he was young. He on the back end. He just don't know it. He just don't know.. He just don't know. Ain't nobody told him yet.

Yeah. That's the problem is that you think Drew Lock is the answer? No. Well, I mean, well, no, well neither Daniel Jones. So what you want to do? Well, hey, you should have thought about that before you gave him 160 million. Hey, time is everything in life, right?

As my granddad used to tell me, time is- Somebody said, Ash, please don't eat gas station crap. I remember. She would. I remember. I remember. She ain't gonna find a store in the airport and she ain't gonna go in and get something.

Anybody want something? That's different. And you know we can walk by the store without going in and get some chips or some cookies or some candy, soda, water. We can't just keep walking to the gate, right? She got to get something. She got to get something. She'll feel like if I don't buy something, man.

That may right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess, you know, she got to get something. She go get something. Yeah. Chips. And she go go to get one chip at a time.

What? Man, grab a handful of those chips. Bryce Young confidence is growing. Things aren't perfect, but the Panthers quarterback is finding a way to get the job done. Even Kanellis, his head coach, acknowledges he's continued to make positive statement, although didn't go as far as name him as a starter moving forward.

Certainly, Bryce made a great statement for himself. I'm just so proud of Bryce. I'm so proud of taking the next step again. I thought he had a great day. I thought, I thought it could have been a fantastic day. I thought a few balls got away from us, but Bryce certainly is making a statement to all of us. So I just could tell how proud I am of just weekly progress.

Happy man. I'm happy for young bull boy. Cause it, cause it, cause his confidence bull boy. Cause his confidence was shot. His confidence was shot. I'm glad to see him win. I'm glad to see him win. Yeah. Because hell.

You don't understand how that feels. Cause I'm thinking about when I was on the back end of my career. You know? My confidence is as arrogant, as cocky as I am when it comes to playing, when it comes to playing the game of football. But my shit was shot, boy. It was shot.

Now I didn't have an opportunity to get it back. I didn't. So I knew how he was feeling when you and your second year, or first year, second year. So if you already feel like that in the first question, when they ask you, if you still have your confidence and you say your confidence in the Lord, I'm like, oh hell no. No, not, not, I know it's okay to serve you,

but not right now. I need you to, I need you to, hell yeah I'm confident. What you talking about? Yeah, I'm ready. Yes, I can lead this team. I mean, but you know, it is what it is. I'm glad to see him where he at now though. Yeah.

It's a good thing. But I will will eat gas station fried chicken and tater logs Tater, you know, you know what tater logs are. I guess people call them tater tater wedges We should call them tater logs. Those are wedges of potatoes. That's like this long Wedges, what y'all call them? Google tater tater logs the the Taylor wedges. Right. And then you go like, Oh yeah, I know what those are. Ash knows she's from the country. I don't know why she thinks she's from upstate New York.

No, I said, George. I said it like this long. They're calling wedges. OK, we should call them Taylor Law. See, y'all y'all try to change the name. Hey, wait, I think y'all sleep. Hey, the tots. No, Taylor toss around.

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