Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Duke COMPLETES COMEBACK vs St John’s + UCONN x Michigan State Comes DOWN to the WIRE + Michigan Looks DOMINANT + Tennessee HAMMERS Iowa State

Episode Date: March 28, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Duke Blue Devils beating St Johns to advance to the Elite 8, the UConn Huskies beat the Michigan State Spartans to... advance to the Elite 8, and Michigan outlasts Alabama to advance to the Elite 8 to face Tennessee and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 03:55 - Duke beat St Johns16:15 - Uconn beat Michigan State38:15 - Michigan beat Alabama56:35 - Tennessee beat Iowa State (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:29 Some very interesting games tonight. I think we're less than the thousand subs away from two million. Let's try to cross that threshold in the next two hours. So again, thank you guys. Duke is heading to its elite eight for the third straight year. Thanks to an 8075 victory over St. John Redman. and Carlos Boozer, Camboozer started out slowly, but he had 13 points and nine rebounds after half,
Starting point is 00:05:53 fostered suffer the fraction foot. Just 20 days ago was game changer in the second half. Those guys let it go from the three point line. He came up to bench to have 11 points on 507 shooting after the half. Ah, man, we look at this, I knew this game was going to be good, guys. I'm surprised with all the sides, especially the big bodies that same jobs in the half, Joe, you know, Cho. that they were able to out rebound them by 13.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Edge of four, Biggie's player of the year. They got some big bodies, and I thought they would do a better job on the glass than what they did against Duke. Give Duke credit. They hit some big shots down the stretch, and they got, because St. John's had got out to a nice lead, but Duke would not go away.
Starting point is 00:06:37 They scratched and clawed and got close, and they ended up pulling it out. Joe, what did you like about what you saw from the Blue Belt? Man, just the grit and toughness that they play with, Uncle Ocho. I thought St. John's had some guys, too. You know, that could tame Boozer, which they did in that first half. And I just thought in the second half, you know, he just kind of put his head down and started making plays.
Starting point is 00:06:58 And that's what great players do. That's why he will be a lottery pick in this upcoming draft. He's going to be a top, I believe it will be at least a top three pick. I don't know if he'll go number one. You know, you heard of speculation. DeBaron and you got Peterson. But he ain't getting past three. He ain't going to get past three.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Yeah. And he's been a winner his whole life. you know, from since I've even known about him in high school through AAU, all way to do. He's a winner, bro. But I don't see them going too much farther because I feel like, you know, Evans had a great game. He made some tough shots.
Starting point is 00:07:36 He made some big shots. But I'm like, nobody else. Everybody else was just kind of out there. You know what I mean? And I thought St. Jones got off to a great start, you know, that I thought, I said, you know what, I like how St. Jones played because they pick up full court.
Starting point is 00:07:51 You know, they wear you down. I said, if they can sustain this, they may be all right. Because at the end of the day, St. Jewell has got big guys that's juniors and seniors. Versus. Yes. Versus Duke who are relying on a freshman. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:08:06 So I thought they were coming to play too. But obviously Duke answered the bell. They got back in the game and was able to, you know, pretty much take advantage of it. But all in all, man, I thought it was a great game. I thought St. us could have done more though. You know, they got guys who just, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Edgifor had to be better. He was six or 17. He was a big east player of the year, defensive guy, big body guys, Hopkins. They got, like I said, I thought they would have guys that can match up. At least, look, Booz is going to get his points. He's a big, big kid, big strong body. He has an NBA body, and he happens to be a freshman in college. You look at his dad, and you see how his dad played the game of basketball.
Starting point is 00:08:46 You look how his dad built. So you're not surprised that he has that type of. a body. But I was just looking and I agree with you, Joe, when you look at these guys, St. John's have juniors and seniors and they got grown in bodies. And I thought they would do a better job of keeping them off the glass and that's where they started getting hurt.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Because when Duke missed shot, they would get the rebound and they would miss a shot again and they would get the rebound. At some point time, that's going to come back to bite you because I think one time the school what, 54, 45, and I was like, okay, St. John gets some separation. But you look back up in the next day, you know it's a three-point hall game.
Starting point is 00:09:19 because Duke was relentless on the glass, right, Joe? I was going to say the same thing. Obviously, despite St. John's size, the second chance points that Duke was able to get, obviously did very well guarding booze in the first half, but it all comes down to who wants it more. You know, being able to will what it is you want to do, whether it's getting second chance points,
Starting point is 00:09:40 whether it's crashing the boards and allowing your team another possession, you know, on the ball. I mean, Duke did that. First half, obviously St. John played well. But second half, I mean, it was Duke all day. I think going to get in trouble, obviously, once you get down into the lead eight, offensively, only having two players that were efficient from the field and Boozer and God damn Evans, you're going to need more.
Starting point is 00:10:07 You're going to need more your players to come in and contribute to the own game because it's not going to be as easy as it was for you guys in the second half when you play better teams. Oh, yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. I'll think about this. You know, Edge of Four, the reason why, you know, we have game changes, game managers and people who can control the game is because when you look at Boozer, you know, he started, hey, look, he wasn't getting it on the block.
Starting point is 00:10:36 What did he started doing? He started bringing up the court. He started playing point guard. He was at the top of the key. He was getting a pick and roll. Edge of four can't do that. You know what I mean? That's not his game.
Starting point is 00:10:46 So this is what I'm saying. game change of this just being a freshman like we were just saying he's going to be a he's going to be a top three pick and if he can wield them you know continue to keep wielding them to the next round you do got a chance man because these were some dogs man he didn't play against no no no backyard boys over there you know what yeah yeah no he played against some dogs today um guys i think the difference in the ball game was Azale Evans because every time St. John's made a run, they would get a lead Evans would come down and get a three.
Starting point is 00:11:19 They would do something else and Evans would make another spectacular play. He was a difference. Like, yeah, Booz did what he did. Boos got that A and one, and that was a phenomenal play in his daddy. They're paying the camera and he was going crazy. But it was Evans because they took the lead back, Joe, by
Starting point is 00:11:37 two, and here come, and here come Isaiah Evans come back. Bang, a deep three with a guy in his face. Yeah. That shows me something there because I feel to think if St. Johns could have got to stop there. Maybe, okay, now we go down and get another basket and now we got, you know, okay, you need a three to ties.
Starting point is 00:11:58 But he didn't waste any time. I mean, he came back and he pulled it. He let it go bang, right in his eyes, right in his eyes. And then it was back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. You get, and you're like, Caleb Foster, he had to put up, you know, he'll step back. It's just, Duke, when Duke absolutely had to have it, the guys that they count on, they came through. And that's the mark of a good team.
Starting point is 00:12:22 When you absolutely got to have something, can your guys come through and make a play? When they needed a rebound, booze and got it. When they needed a big shot, their guys hit it. St. Johns didn't get that. And like you said, I'm looking at these big guys. I'm like, okay, yeah, these big by eight, these grown ass men out here. Duke, you know, Duke coming to play with 18, 19 year olds. St. John's coming showing up with 21-year-olds.
Starting point is 00:12:47 There's a difference between the two. And I was just like, damn, I am shocked. If somebody would have told me that Duke would out rebound, St. John's by 13, given what they have in sizewise and maturity, I wouldn't have believed to Joe. I wouldn't either. There's no way there's not a chance in there. I wouldn't believe that I wouldn't either because coach by Rick Patino,
Starting point is 00:13:09 you know, his teams are always gris. tough. They pick up full court and they play pressure defense. Even when you remember Unk back in the days when he was coaching them Kentucky teams, you know, you, you weren't going in Kentucky arena. There's a Rupp Arena. You
Starting point is 00:13:25 aren't going in, no, none of them getting a win. But back to the Evans kid for Duke, you know, he got a chance to be a lottery pick you know, this year. So if I'm him, I want to continue this pace. I want to continue my trajectory as far as
Starting point is 00:13:41 being a lottery pick in this year's NBA draft, so I think you'll get good money from him, you know, with Duke, but they're going to need more than just them two guys to continue. I mean, this is, I mean, 80 points ain't bad, though, you know, in college. You know, when you think about it, but Arizona hung 100 and something on us, so I don't know. Damn. Oh, who, who, oh, come on, man, come on, man.
Starting point is 00:14:02 That'll be a good one. They got Yukon next. We're going to talk about Yukon here. That's another great team. Two teams that get after you to pick you up, the difference you see Shire is kind of like more laid back Dan Hurley is up
Starting point is 00:14:15 yeah he's up at it he he reminds that guy that Bobby Knight that that that that is up and right there coach Richardson in Arkansas Shire's kind of a little bit more calm he got you know he got a little he got a Yukon gear on
Starting point is 00:14:32 I mean excuse me his little gear on you know he he you know he him other guys Dad heard it like he's about to have anjurals about that. Like, bro, calm down. Damn.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Hey, there's a timeout. Why are you up yelling? There's a timeout. They're coming to the bitch, bro. And he's passionate. But he's really intense. But that's going to be a great matchup. I mean, you talk about, you know, just a year,
Starting point is 00:14:57 two years ago, Yukon went back to back. Two Blue Bloods, two teams that know what it's like to win championships that has that pedigree and you go there. You understand what's expected of you. The standard is. is the standard. The standard was set 30 years before you arrived,
Starting point is 00:15:12 before you were even born. The standard at Yukon is the standard at Yukon. The standard at Duke is the standard at Duke. And they were led the programs were put on the map by a hall of playing coaches, Coach K, and then what's the guy at Yukon? What's the coach name at Yukon? The old coach.
Starting point is 00:15:35 I know who you're talking about. I can't think of his name. Some Calhoun. Yeah, Jim Calhoun. Jim Calhoun. Yeah, Jim Calhoun. All the great players, we know all the great players that came through Duke, all the great players that came through Yukon,
Starting point is 00:15:54 and this is just, hey, we just continue this timeline. But it's going to be, ooh, that's going to be some kind of get, that's what, they play Saturday. So that's going to be, no, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday. Oh, that's going to be Sunday. Oh, man. That's good.
Starting point is 00:16:06 That's going to be. It's getting good now. It's getting good. Yeah. You con. Go ahead. No, I'm going to say we ain't just going to just slide by St. John because that's who you had winning.
Starting point is 00:16:17 We smoking on that St. Jones back the night. You had St. John's going too. I ain't. I'm saying my team went out yesterday. We talked about your team that you had picked. We're going to talk about them. Hold on. Both of y'all sitting there arguing, guess who didn't have them winning?
Starting point is 00:16:34 Guess who didn't have them winning? Who? Your mascot be out tomorrow. Your ass mask got to be out of San Diego. Oh, no. You're smoking on that St. Jones back tonight. Yeah, I got this little St. John pack right here. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Look at Joe. You see how Joe do? See, Joe, I went to do it all that to you yesterday. Man, y'all, look, y'all already had, before we got online, it was already real ready for us. Come on, man. Them folks working overtime over there. I didn't have another dude that, Joe.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I don't work, graphic. I might be the CEO of a company, but I ain't in charge. Yes, you are. If it's you malfunctioned, you don't get mad. You don't get mad at a field night. You get mad at Teaker. I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I got. But why are you mad at me? Because you just think the graphics team, you think Bailey, you think this would and that's what and that now you're talking about me. I got. Hey, look, I know who I know the infrastructure now. I know who all working in the inside. I know who up there.
Starting point is 00:17:27 You know what I mean? I've seen the names on that day. So yeah. Yeah, Bailey. Yeah. Yeah. Ain't none of them. You got them working overtime, no.
Starting point is 00:17:36 How y'all come out with a real already game just was over two minutes ago? Come on, man. I mean, they had plenty of time to work on it. They saw y'all down by 20 with 15 minutes ago. All right, hi, let's. You gave a pleaded, you gave a pleaded time to work on it. You can't beat Michigan State to hang on to beat Michigan State. Tires Reed, Jr. scored 20 points.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Alex Caraband has 17, both made pressure-pack free throws in the final minutes to help you. You can hold off Michigan State. I thought this game was going to be a blowout early. Give Michigan credit, Michigan State credit, because they were down 15, 17 points early. And they fought more than that, clawed their way back in, made it respectable a half.
Starting point is 00:18:22 All you got to do is let's, let's, hey, let's go into the half. We can't be down by more than five. And we can make it a ball, okay, we got 20 minutes to do something. Give Michigan State credit, but you con, 32 and five, back to back national championship two years ago. And it seems to be they're on their way. And they're a good team.
Starting point is 00:18:38 They find ways. But I think they're going to need, they're going to need more. Yes. They're going to need more. Their bitch, only gave them seven, only gave them eight points. They're going to need, those guys going to have. Well, you know, you know Michigan State like them low-scoring games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:51 They ain't, they ain't trying to play up. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind. And now, got my own show. So if you're tired of lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies. available on all TSN platforms in the IHeartRadio app.
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Starting point is 00:22:59 Mommy, do you play basketball? Check out Game Recognized game with Stuy and Nassie and. Miles on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The 80s and the 90s, they ain't what Michigan State do. You know, they don't even have them type of players. And I talk about game changes and game managers. I thought Michigan State, they play well as a team. So does Yukon, Uncle Ocho.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I think Yukon just got, you know, they got some guys who can really take over and really be, you know, a game change that continue to take you, you know, farther in the tournament. Not only that, you know, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they touch. Love, gritty, play aggressive. You know what I mean? Like, I know we're playing, everybody think basketball is just this finesse game and you don't get to.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Man, listen, you kind of out there playing, bro. They're competing. They're competing. They're touching you. Hey, uncle, you know what I think the game was coming back. I think they let them play a little bit more in college than what they do. They do. They do.
Starting point is 00:23:56 They do. I ain't going to lie. I like, I like, because even when you see the verticatally, I can't even say the word, the vertical challenge when guys are straight up. Yeah, verticality. Yeah. You know, they don't call it.
Starting point is 00:24:09 It don't matter how hard you run into a dude. Long as he don't come over. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think, I think, I think you're right. I think they're a lot more aggressive in college than the pros. And the pros, because, you know, guys are going to be flaking and flopping.
Starting point is 00:24:24 They're trying to sell a call. Yeah. In college, you don't really get that. You know, you don't really get that in college guys. They compete. The guys don't. stayed long enough and built up that kind of credit. You don't get a Christian Leitner.
Starting point is 00:24:38 You're not getting a, Doug Duncan. You're not getting Bobby Hurley and Grant Hills, guys that have played and officials know them since their freshman, sophomore, junior, here they are seniors playing. You don't get that anymore, Joe. So these guys here, hey, they get good. Not a real.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Ain't no ifs and a, but, hey, I appreciate, I appreciate the hospitality. It was great being on campus for six months, but I'm out of here. So those days, so you're not going to get a player that if he's really good, he's going to done. If he's halfway good, he's won and done. You're never going to get another Tim Duncan.
Starting point is 00:25:13 You're never going to get another Kenyon Martin. Those days are over. Guys that stay four years or senior. Kenyon Martin was the last senior to go number one overall. That was in 2000. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a quarter century ago. I don't believe you'll ever see it again because the guys are like,
Starting point is 00:25:32 there's too much money. at the next destination for me to stay. Exactly. And you know what I think is going to come down to, Unk? What's that? What's that? I think, obviously, look at Duke, you look at Yukon.
Starting point is 00:25:43 You look at what Caravan and Reed Jr. were able to do. Yeah. And dominating and controlling the game, being the ones who are going to score the points. You look at Duke, they had two players. That thing going to come down to what other players are going to contribute, not just on the bench. I'm talking about out of starting five. You got two people that are going to be able to wheel themselves and score points where you want to.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Then you have three that are, somewhat just decoration on the court. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but I'm just saying there's really no contribution on the point side. They contribute in other areas, but I think as far as points scoring, someone else is going to have to step up. And obviously the bench, I think the bench is going to be very important for Duke and Yukon and who's able to come off the bench and contribute in those times and those pressure situations to kind of, I'm not ease the pain, but make the game a little easier to take some of the pressure off of the starters. Yeah, yeah. Well, Yukon, they really they're going to take a collective team effort to really beat you.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Okay, Ocho. You know, they ain't really just going to rely on one guy like this, even though Reed, he had a hell of a game. But they got all the guys who can step up and have big games as well. Yeah. The thing that concerns me about Yukon is the guy that rebounded by nine. And Michigan State is not a big team. They tough, though.
Starting point is 00:26:58 They tough, though. But so just, but just think about how Duke hit the class. with booze and the big kid, the other kid, that's going to be a lottery pick. If you let them get the glass like that, if you got that rebound, you get that rebound about 15. Because Duke, one thing they do,
Starting point is 00:27:18 they hit the glass. Booz are going to get those rebounds. I mean, we talked about it. He's 22 and 10. That's where he was tonight, 22 and 10. And I like the fact that the matter is that he doesn't press. I love Boozer because he doesn't press. He's like, okay, I don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:27:30 I got a whole other half. Ain't no sense of me taking these willy-nilly shots. I ain't been to jack up threes. I ain't finished shooting no follow-away jumpers. I'm going to let it come. You watch it. He'll get easy baskets. He'll get a lay-up.
Starting point is 00:27:40 He'll get a put-back. And the next day, you know, he's got a rhythm. He's getting to the free throw line. He's in a rhythm. Yukon is going to definitely have to play better than what they played today. And I expect him to. I expect Dan Hurley's going to look, guys, hey, we got to, we're happy. We want.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Survive in advance. We won the ball game. But in order for us to go to the final four, we're going to have to beat the number one overall C, a team that by many thought was picked and winning at the beginning of the season, and we're going to have to play one of our best games of the year in order to... I agree, but remember what we were talking about, the experience. They didn't got nothing but juniors and seniors.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Okay, Ocho. You know, they got some guys with experience. So that experience against their freshman talent that Duke has, I think it can help. I think it can help Yukon and, you know, in a different way. Like, I think it can help them propel
Starting point is 00:28:35 and win the game is what I'm saying. I can see them being due. But I can too. But what concerns me is that for those guys to be pressure and to be in that situation, I thought they handled the pressure well. I thought Duke Guards handled the pressure well
Starting point is 00:28:51 because we know Michigan, we know Izzo teams like to pressure you, like to get up until you. And I thought they did a great job of handling that. So they weren't in our other moment. They weren't all like, Damn, I just left high school seven months ago. What am what I doing out here?
Starting point is 00:29:08 There's like, hey, it's what we do. And I think it has a lot to do with the expectations you go to do. You know what expectations are. You know the, you, and you see guys, I mean, I don't know how many of these guys were there in the summer, and you see the guys come back. You see Zion and you see all these other guys come back, and RJ Barrett and Tatum and this one and that one and Ingram and this one.
Starting point is 00:29:30 and they come back and they, hey, don't you mess this up? Dawkins and Amherker and Danny Ferry, they started this. And Laitner and Christian Latner and all these guys, they continue this and so forth and so on. So don't y'all mess this up now. We got a great man going. I agree. I agree. It's going to be a good one.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Who you got? Who you got? What? Y'all bracket is all messed up. Who you got Joe Sunday? Duke and you come? I just can't pick Duke. You say you can't pick Duke?
Starting point is 00:30:00 Why, you just got to be a kid. A, B, D, anybody but Duke. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot, huh? What you got, Joe? Who they play? Duke play who again? U-Con.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I'm talking about, oh, they play U-Col. Yeah, I think I'm going to go U-KKahn, but. Yeah. I'm going to go U-Kahn because the experience that they have, and I just feel like, yeah, I know Boo's going to get you 20 and 10. I don't know if Evans going to continue to play at that level he played at today. He shot the lights out. Yeah, I mean, hey, I don't know if you'll have another out-of-body experience like that, Joe and Ocho,
Starting point is 00:30:45 but he shot the lights out of the ball today. I know. He doesn't play, if he doesn't have this game, they're not advancing, Joe. Ocho, they're not advancing. If he doesn't play like he played today, they're not advanced. That's why I said that. That's why if I'm him, if I'm the Evans kid, I'm thinking to myself, man, listen, my draft stock can continue to rise
Starting point is 00:31:05 if I just continue to keep playing, you know, great basketball. He's going to have to, he's going to have to give him 20 plus a game too, now. I know we're putting a lot on booze, but Evans, you know, he didn't have been there. He's been playing on this big stage. Bulls been playing on this big stage since he's been playing high school and AAU. Yeah. Yeah, they're able to it. You know, when your dad is who, you look, first of all, if you play a sport,
Starting point is 00:31:30 that your dad play, you already know what the expectations are. You got to deal with the comparisons. That's that is well. And man, you know what? It's messed up. It's messed up too because I don't know about y'all, but me as a father, it's like, you know, with my son playing basketball, you know what I mean? It's like, I can't really, it's hard for me to really get on him like I really want to
Starting point is 00:31:51 because they're like, man, he ain't you. He ain't. I'm like, bro, I'm giving you the game. I'm telling you how to beat these suckers out here, man. Real. I'm telling I got the blueprint. Joe, it's easier for somebody else to coach your son of you. I was trying to, hey, I was like, you know what, hey, listen to them.
Starting point is 00:32:11 I mean, forget the fact that, hey, I was on Super Bowl winning teams. I was a Pro Bowl. I was all pro catching the football. But you know what? Listen to the guy that that played didn't go farther than that. That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:32:24 You know, it doesn't seem to be arguing, don't you know what I'm doing. You're right. You're right. You're right. So, but you. You know as a, if you were professional athlete and your son plays the sport that you played. See, if he plays a different sport, they'd be like, okay, his dad was a basketball player. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Football player. Or his dad was a football player. He a basketball player or he a baseball player. But when you play that same sport, the expectation whether it's fair or unfair, people automatically. But bro, that's the genes. I mean, that. Yeah. Always.
Starting point is 00:32:56 And it is what it is. And talking to Griffey Jr. And Griffey Jr., like, it was just hard to watch his son play. He said because he would go there and be sitting in the stands and people would say, he ain't nothing like you.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And Griffith and Jr., and Griffith say, would tell me five people. And so it's the same thing. Griffey said that when his dad would come see him play, he couldn't do nothing. He said his dad would have to sneak up in the RV
Starting point is 00:33:30 and just watch from a distance. He wouldn't know his dad was there. He said, but when his mom come, he'd say his dad would call his mom, said, what'd that boy do? I think he was like three for four, two homes and a double. Why didn't he do that when I was there?
Starting point is 00:33:47 Yeah, because he, he said, oh, what the hell he'd do that when I was there? But it's, it's like, I mean, just imagine, you're Peyton Manning. His dad was Archie, number two picking the draft. You know the expectations are, Ocho. My kid, your kid, my son just said, I don't want it. I don't want it, I don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:34:08 My dad played, I got an, my uncle, I don't want no part of that. Why I think it's so hard to duplicate, though, like, that's why I respect. I don't know, hey, Joe out. Joe, you didn't have, you didn't have, just imagine if your dad played in the NBA. So you got it you got to smooth ride along like damn man Joe really good there was no comparison automatically I had to get compared to my my brother three years old and me he's a senior I'm a freshman so the comparisons are there I'm like well damn he my brother not my dad I know we got I know we got we got we got the same last day the same parents
Starting point is 00:34:46 but damn but I embrace that it's hard to live up to that those expectations yeah that others put on you. You might not even like, hey, I'm just going along. I'm just like, hey, dude. I don't know. You know, Joe and Uncle, that's how I think it was with my son. Obviously, my son, hey, Joe played Arizona State. He played a receiver out there, Arizona State,
Starting point is 00:35:09 played at Venice High School. Yeah. And obviously, it was Arizona State with it with Jayden Dan before Jayden transferred over to the goddamn LSU. Really? I didn't understand the pressures and the comparisons, you know, to it. But I think my son got to a point where I think he was somewhat fed up with it. I think he, in a sense, he kind of played football because I did it.
Starting point is 00:35:29 I don't think it was really his first love. Yes. He wasn't really his first love. That's not what he did. I think he did it. I think he did it. I think probably the comparisons to him, I don't know if it got to him a little bit, but I don't think he loved the game the way I did, you know.
Starting point is 00:35:43 Maybe his aspiration, his dreams. Maybe it wasn't to play in the NFL, you know. He had a belly fool. He had a nice air conditioner home. You're right. He didn't have the same stimuli that you had. Yeah, yeah. That's a whole, that's a whole different ball.
Starting point is 00:35:57 And that's what I tell people. My son's stimuli, my son got to come in and hit the garage on the three-car garage on the 10,000-square-home. Shadden had a garage. Shadda-block floors. I mean, a c-med floor. It's different. It's different.
Starting point is 00:36:14 You got to really want it. You got to be something that you really love to do. You know, and I don't think he really, really love that. game like that and I'm one and Joe you know I don't push my kids to do nothing yeah me neither bro I'm I support you but if it's not what you want to do whatever endeavors you endeavors it is that you that that that attract you and interests you I'm all for it I'm on behalf whatever it is now my youngest son savey he different mentally he different yeah he's he's a dog and he actually wants it ain't got none to do with me and he don't care none by no comparisons because he's
Starting point is 00:36:49 What's your ass to me already at the sophomore in high school. I'm better than you. He a receiver, Ocho? Yeah. Man, Dad, I'm better. What you mean? You better to me. Well, you better check.
Starting point is 00:36:59 You better check YouTube. Who are you talking to? Yeah. He's a different kind of animal. So I can see him already, you know, playing on Sunday just because his mentality, you know? Yeah. He's on it. He's on it.
Starting point is 00:37:12 It's really simple. Ocho, I was the same way. I tell him, I can't want something more for you than you want it for yourself. I'm not going to push you in any direction, but all I ask, don't waste my time, money. Well, I'm telling you. If you want to do this, if you need a coach, if you need whatever you need,
Starting point is 00:37:31 I will get you whatever you need to help you be the absolute best you can be in what you want to do. But don't waste my time and money. If that's not what you want to do, don't do it because your mom wanted to do. Don't do it because your friends do it. Do it because you want to do it.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And if you want to do it, I'm going to move heaven and earth to try to make sure you get the best. So you can. I agree. I agree. That's it. That's, that's, that's, that's all I ask. Don't waste my time and don't waste my money. If you want to be, you want to be an astronaut.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Hell, if I got a call Neil Tyson deGriott, hey, bro, check this out. My son's, hey, I just get some advice. Hey, I don't, I'm just saying, Joe, I'm going to do, I'm going to do whatever I can. But if that's not what you want to do, it's hard growing up in the shadows because there's a separation between you and your kids. But just think, me and my brother,
Starting point is 00:38:32 everything, bro, you ain't good at your brother. Ooh, boy, your brother? Oh, man, your brother been gone. Oh, your brother did that. Your brother did. Man, your brother ran 10-5, man. You ain't running but 10-9. But damn!
Starting point is 00:38:46 That's still pretty bad. Yeah. Damn. So, but it didn't ever bomb me. See, I didn't, I didn't live in my brother's shadow. I embraced it. So when they told me, oh, you ain't as good as your brother, I'm going to show you. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:03 I'm going to show you. Now, as a high schooler, I could have been better had I applied myself. I was just so much more talented to everybody else who told you. I ain't do no work in high school. Lifted weight for what? Yeah, me neither. I lift them tobacco racks. I lift them bells of hate.
Starting point is 00:39:18 I lifted watermelons and bushels of corn and onions. That's what I lifted to get their body. Once I got to college and I started lifting weights and I saw my body change. Oh, my God. Oh, Joe, I went from like 180 to 205. So when we stopped playing football in November and by the time we had spring practice, I was 205. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Man, my brother came. When my brother came and saw me, he said, man, what you do you do? What do they feed you in Savannah State? I say, they don't feed us in Savannah State like they feed you all in South Carolina. That's for damn sure. Then he came back my junior year. Now I'm like 220. God, then you're from 205 out of 220?
Starting point is 00:40:10 Blot, who, you know, he told me, he told me my junior year. He said, you don't lift. I could I want to be, I say I want to be a member of the four years. six club. He said, four or six, what? I said, no, I want to bitch 400 pounds to squat 600. He said you're going to lift yourself into a three-point stance. I'll be a damn, mocho.
Starting point is 00:40:29 I ended up in the sighty. Okay, okay, okay. He told me by Julian in college. He said, you'll lift yourself into a three-point stand. And that's crazy. You was part of the four-six club. Damn. No, I didn't squat for, I, I was, I could bitch, 400. I can never squat six.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Okay, okay. I was part of the three-six club. Then when I was that, when I was, and then Cincinnati now. Three six club? Yeah, yeah, you know, when I was in Cincinnati, I was still, I was thin-framed, Joe. I mean, the biggest I got in Cincinnati, probably about, about 190.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Yeah. If I could bench 315, I would work out with the linebacker sometime, and I work out with the office of linemen when it came to doing the lower body work on, I think, what, Fridays we did lower body? Yeah. Friday, Joe.
Starting point is 00:41:11 No, I cut leg, you're supposed to cut legs off on Thursday. You don't do no legs after that. You don't want your legs heavy. Yeah. Your legs wouldn't be heavy. You did let go. If I'm not mistaken, I can't remember the schedule exactly,
Starting point is 00:41:21 but I used to work out with the line. Joe, you know, I squat by 650 to 670, Joe. Damn. Yeah. You get down with that? Joe. Yeah. No.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Are he lying? If at 1-90, he squatted 670, 700, he's, he was the strongest men ever to live. I mean, I only one of the strongest men. I might be one of the strongest men that ever played in the NFL. It's just nobody's either. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:43 My frame is so small, so you never know. They ain't listen. Yeah, I do, though. I look at the, legs. First of all, your hips ain't wide enough to hold that kind of weight. You look at guys that squat a lot of weight. Hey, hey, hold on. I got hips like a fat person. What are you talking about? Man, come on, man. What's wrong with this dude?
Starting point is 00:42:01 I ain't, I'm going to show it to you right now because that's inappropriate. But yeah. I might give you, I might give you, I might give you $4.50 with a squats. With a spot. With a spot. I might give you, I might give you $450, 475 with a single plight or double plie suit. But just, just, just. With just a belt? Yeah, matter of fact, maybe with a single plight suit in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Not sleep, wrap. I'm glad you said that, Joe. You know how sometimes I post my videos, you know, doing 120, 150s on the dumbbells, right? Yeah. When I get back to Miami on Sunday, I'm going to make sure Monday gym session, I'm going to do legs,
Starting point is 00:42:38 which is normally an upper body day. I'm going to make sure I put 475 and 500 on the rack and do one rep. So when we get on the show... Where are you going to do a one squat? Are you... I do, I do, I do, I do two. Okay, all right, all right.
Starting point is 00:42:51 I do two reps. He ain't fit to do no barbell squat, not with no four-year-old five. I'm regular squad. Oh, Joe, don't catch no hernia at that man. I'm good, Joe. I don't, I don't, I don't get, Joe. You'll be walking around your knee like mine. I don't get hurt, Joe.
Starting point is 00:43:08 I don't never get hurt, Joe. So you boobie, you boobie Johnson on Friday night flight. Yeah, I don't know if that said, Joe, I don't, I don't, God been good to me, especially when to come to injury, Joe. I ain't really had sustained. ain't nothing. Well, don't get none. Don't be trying to squat, no.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Hey, your heavy squat days, going there to do 20, 25, keep your foundation strong. Keep your glutes because, hey, the more leg muscle you have to eat, the longer you, it's proven, long. You're gonna probably live. So take care of your leg, your bottom half, you're gonna be fine.
Starting point is 00:43:36 You'll need these squats. I'm gonna try to show you on, that's all. I'm gonna try to show you. You don't speak, you can, hey. You go, hey, get up under the machine. I think they got belt squats. They got pendulum squats. They got other squat apparatuses that you don't need to put that barbell on your damn back.
Starting point is 00:43:52 You do dumbbell squats. I'm just trying to show you that I can do it. That's all. You'll never believe me unless you have visual evidence. That's all I'm saying. Nah, I ain't believe you, nah. And y'all got fake weights. They got so many people on IG not doing fake weights.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Where I'm going to get fake weights from? Man. Easy. Michigan beat Alabama. The Wolverines had the most overall play on the floor. Yaxel. Lindenborg who did it all tonight finishing your three shot three assists shot for triple double he had 23 points 12 rebounds Michigan was the more
Starting point is 00:44:28 efficient than Alabama from three-point range connected on 13 to 27 attempts Alabama a Alabama held on his low as good field Yon Jr. La Barron He did he did he that's what I'm talking about game change you need guys who can get to get to get to that chicken Ocho who can get to that who got a bag man, we need, if you a score, yeah, perfect. We need you to, we need you to get some buckets. The rest of us, we can do the dirty word.
Starting point is 00:44:55 One more guy to come along with him. He needed one more guy because Michigan had too many guys. They got 33 points on their bench. They're missing 20. So he needed one. He needed another guy to come in. You know, they're missing 20 points a game, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot.
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Starting point is 00:49:28 Your guy tried to be free and Rick Ross. Yeah, but if they had him, they definitely, they probably would have really had a chance. They definitely had a chance. Yeah. But I ain't know, I ain't know feel y'all was that nice. You know, you see, click, you saw, I see how high. of them and stuff like that. No, he could, he could.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah, I got a chance to watch Alabama play a few times because they're in the SEC, obviously, playing against my razorback. So they got some guys who can go, you know, and they got some tough, gritty guys, too. They got some tough gritty guys, so they, they're pretty good. You know, people look at Alabama, and people just think Alabama football.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah. But Alabama used to have basketball. What you're talking about? I mean, you, you know, they had ory. Freeware. McNewell. Yeah. They had free will.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Before them, they had Free with Alabama? Yeah. And they had Gerald Wallace. I played with Gerald Wallace. I don't know. Before then, that's before your time. They had Bobby Lee hurt.
Starting point is 00:50:23 They had Enos Swatley. Oh, they had come guys. Now, they had some dogs, some boy raised down deep in the south. Hey, proud of him getting hurt. Antonio McDice. McDice?
Starting point is 00:50:38 What? I play with McDice on. I'm talking about you talking about 16 and can leave the building. He's like that, Ocho. I'm talking about- He can jump like that. Oh my goodness. Head town.
Starting point is 00:50:51 That boy can fly. That boy can fly. Before he hurt that knee, oh, he was, hey. Because I was in Denver when he got in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at, Brian Stills came there, Lafonso O'Ellas. I was there when Jalen Rose got there, all of them, DeKinbey Mutumbo, all of them.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Rodney Rogers, Melo, So, hey, McDice? Ooh, Lord, have mercy. Man, before he hurt that knee, he was something to deal with. He wasn't nothing to play with. That boy would say it. No, yeah, Ojo, he would like that. But Bamma has some hoopas though.
Starting point is 00:51:29 They normally keep some hoopas though. They basketball team really, they may not, obviously, you know, we know what the football side, what the football program does. But basketball-wise, they rarely ever slouches now. They normally keep some pretty good guys over there. Yeah, I ain't, I know that. I think Alabama football is overshadowed. They so goddamn good.
Starting point is 00:51:49 It does. It does. It does. It does. It does. It's just like Michigan football. Michigan has some players. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:57 Yeah. Don't slip on Michigan basketball players. But Michigan, that's a football school. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people just talk about the Fab Five, but, hey, man, when they had Glenn Rice and meals and all those guys, they had some guys.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Yeah. Now, they have some guys. They had some guys. But the number one seed so far, other than Florida, advanced, who does Michigan play next? Hey, you see. Oh, they play Tennessee. You see Michigan got a lot of juniors and seniors too.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Yeah. Hey, they got experience that they are banking on, but they got guys playing well. The one thing that I noticed about their bigs, man, they can pass. I'm going to tell you y'all something, man. In today's game, if you got any young hoopers is out there listening,
Starting point is 00:52:49 chat, y'all, hear me out. Man, having a great IQ for the game, knowing how to pass, knowing how to play the right way, that'll get you a long way, bro. Michigan got some guys. He does. I'm talking about them back-dough passes when you got them guys playing over-aggressive.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Yeah. I'm sitting picking roles for your bids, and they can play, make, they take a lot of pressure off your guards for guys who really can't get by their man like that. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? You got different ways to get open to exploit the game and manipulate it in so many different ways when your being is versatile like that.
Starting point is 00:53:23 That's why Yolk is so special, man. Look at Yolkich. Yeah. Oh, you see what he had? No, what he had? He had what? He had what? 33, 14, and 12.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Yo, hey, he's playing it in our face right now. Y'all know that right They may have playing in our favor Yeah We ain't hey Y'all think he don't hear the chatter About who should be MVP He always gonna be in it
Starting point is 00:53:48 But the man is a triple double Yeah for sure I think you know what it is Joe Give me a guy that has That has IQ Be a football, basketball, baseball Because a lot of times Ocho we play with guys
Starting point is 00:53:59 Do a robot You say hey bro this is right 10 to 12 Where the guy standing right there You go run behind Dumb dumb don't run behind him The quarterback ain't going to throw you the damn ball. You run behind the DB. Cut in front of him.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Man, you know what, hey, I saw, bro. Hey, IQ, making you. Boy, I can't, son, I hate to tell you this. But if dynamite with brains, you couldn't blow your nose. Come on. Hey, hey, uh, and Joe, the better your IQ, especially when to come to the game of football, obviously I'm sure basketball is the same way,
Starting point is 00:54:33 where you can see what's going to happen before it happens or knowing what's going to happen, actually before it happens to be two steps ahead. everybody else at times at times i could i could just speak from me playing receiver joke yeah always two or three steps ahead of the person in front of me right two and three steps ahead of the safety because i understand what you have to do and i know where you're going to be so understanding how to manipulate what's in front of me and give the illusion that i'm doing something that i'm really not going to do yeah i can get the spot i need to get to as fast tail i understand
Starting point is 00:55:03 you know what i mean i think yes i think you may i think you may even have to have to had that in basketball more than you do in football. Especially if you got the ball in hand, huh? I don't think. Well, because the floor, if things have to understand floor spacing. You know what I mean? I think that's the biggest key, especially these young guys who really don't know how to play the game.
Starting point is 00:55:24 You know, they don't understand floor spacing and getting deep corner, getting out your man way. You know, you got a guy operating, you standing right next to him, cut. You know, you have, a lot of these cats got to learn, Ocho, because they all growing up with the ball in their hand, And when they don't have it in their hand, they just look like statues out there. They don't know what the hell to do.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Yeah. And you know, Uncle Joe, you know what they always say. When it comes to sports, the game, especially once you get to the highest level, the game is 90% mental. Hello. It's only 10% physical. Hello.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Middle. So now it all comes to how much you know up here. How can you see the game and see things before they actually happen? Yeah. Always having a plan. If plan they don't go right, how fast can you, Can you read out?
Starting point is 00:56:09 Yeah. It happened with plan B. Yeah. Being able to adjust on the fly. Yeah. I mean, it's, oh, it's. That's what makes me so upset, Ocho, is that, and we talk about this all the time, I said, Ocho, he got help to the inside.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Why would he get beat outside when he know he got help inside? If you got help outside, why would you get beat inside? That's what kills me. You see the guy. You see that. safety coming down. If you see the safety coming down, what do you think the man on top of your head going to do? He's going inside. The safety's coming down because now he has outside contained. Bro, how you get beat on that? Man, I ain't. What you mean? You didn't know. Did you watch film?
Starting point is 00:56:56 They did it on film 10 times. But every time, but give me your phone right quick. Let me see how many the phone numbers you got in the last, the last five days. You got that. You wrote all them down. But you don't remedy damn late. See, Joe, that's why I couldn't coach, man. It drove me crazy that we go over stuff and they show up on film. They're going to give you this look. It's just like Spags. We already know if Spag get you, if Spags feel threatened,
Starting point is 00:57:30 he's coming with me. Yeah, sure. Blitz, Blitz, you know that. It's coming. Why is it in a situation that we've gone over and over? over and over and over, you F it up. Hey, I know exactly what you mean, boy. Man, you know, it's shopping.
Starting point is 00:57:51 It ain't okay. It is not okay. Stop telling me that it's okay. It ain't. Yeah. Hey, bro, how, how? And you mean to tell me, so let me get this straight. You can't remember one damn play,
Starting point is 00:58:06 but you quit to tell me, I got $1,300 on the SAT. I got a, I got a, I got a 30 on this ECT. I can't tell who took the test for you. Your SAT must have been just shaped. Is this a square, a rectangle, or a circle? Because ain't no way in hell. You can't remember this, but you got a 13, 1400s.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Shit. Bro. That's why I just don't have the patience. I just don't. I try. I just, don't because if I can get it and I know when I got that I didn't know nothing I ain't nothing about no over no wonder I didn't know but no coverages I ain't no no two I ain't
Starting point is 00:58:51 no one I ain't no six I ain't no quarters I ain't no seven I ain't no eight I ain't know nothing and for me to pick it up and to be able to flourish in it Lord have mercy I get mad every time I think about somebody to them effed up a coverage hey Joe I ain't Joe I ain't had no choice but to get it Joe I ain't had no choice hey none of us had a choice oh Joe hey I I talk too much shit not to get it, Joe. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Much trades. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:20 I had to be on top of my game. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because if you don't talk people out of their game, you're talking, you worried about me, you got the flat. Here you carry me up to sleep. Yeah, nothing. That's right. He got 15.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Your black ass supposed to be in the flat. Why are you worried about me up the scene? Oh, man. But you ain't, they would rather, they would rather shut you down. your blowing assignment saying, you ain't catch no pants as opposed you got the flat, you got a hook.
Starting point is 00:59:51 He's been there. Yeah. I just, man, I just, man. I'd be thinking about stuff like, Lord, have mercy. I said, Lord, you could have, I said, I would admire Lord if you took a little bit of talent and gave me more patience. Because he gave me all talent, no patience.
Starting point is 01:00:13 You know, I can see you, I can still see you coach him some reason. Coach. No, that man, coach. Hey, even though Joe, even though he say I don't have the patience for it, but I understand it what he
Starting point is 01:00:24 could do, especially with his structure and discipline when it comes to playing, whatever sport it may be. Whether it's football, whether it's basketball, but being that he knows both really well, I can see coach, especially at the highest level, you get somebody like that in the building, man, stop playing. Because it's hard,
Starting point is 01:00:40 oh, Joe, I mean, it's hard to develop this level of discipline if you're not already disciplined. No, that's what that's what that's You got that that's got I mean, you're like I mean, it's just like it's obsessive. I mean, it's a, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:00:59 I don't know if I want somebody as disciplined as I was, Ocho, because it ain't, it ain't healthy. And the thing is that it drives you crazy because everything, my grandfather, it had to be right. And so I always tried to do everything because there ain't no, he didn't, like if you, it wasn't no good job. I mean he told me and my brother,
Starting point is 01:01:22 he gave, he told me and my brother to watch the truck. He gave us a dollar. No, he gave us two dollars. He gave us like 350. I got a dollar because I just watched the tires. My brother was in charge of washing the truck, the body, dried it all to do all that for stuff. We were going to how he run the cows.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Papa, Papa, we're done. He come out there and look at it. He looked at me, he, me a spanking standing side by side. looked at the truck, he looked at me and spank it. He looked at the truck, he looked at me and spake him. He said, uh, anything is better than nothing, but you two fellas real close to that. I look, I look at, I look at what day, though.
Starting point is 01:02:08 I thought we did a good, oh, Joe, I thought we did a good job. Hey, hey, hey, you know what, I need you, I need my brother's, see, my sister don't like when we tell them. the story, but that joke was hard. He was hard on. Yeah. There was, there was, there was, there was, there was no excuses. He didn't, he didn't tolerate excuses. He did not. Damn.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Either get it. I'm like, that I'm like. And I've been spanking, spakey, we'd be, being spake and walking up, he's like, we real close to me. Yeah. That's what he's saying. So, hey, hey, listen. What do you say? So I could, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. It took a lot because, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:52 when you have kids, you have to develop a certain level of patience. I'm talking about patience to the up to degree. Because, like, like, went in the bed. They gave you to you to about two years old, maybe two and a half three. Boy, if you was four years old, let alone five, six, seven,
Starting point is 01:03:10 10. They were peeing in the bag. They were teasing. They were teasing. Teasing. Boy, Barton Porter shut down on your ass. Mary Porter was shut down on your ass. Oh, hell no.
Starting point is 01:03:23 Like, you know, kids have a problem where they, you know, they wet the bed. It's a lot of things. Like, a lot of this stuff like you had, boy, they beat that up out of you. They beat that up at you. All that you, all those, like what kids have now,
Starting point is 01:03:41 you're talking about, you know, he got ADHD, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he got this and, you know. Hey, listen, they joke back in them days, you know, it wasn't no ADHD. You were just stupid. That's it. You were stupid.
Starting point is 01:03:54 You were. Yeah. They tell you, guess what? They tell your ass up and all of a sudden, you're like, damn, I could do this homework so good. Ooh, four plus four, eight times four, 32. Oh, I could do my homework. Well, when Barney and Mary shut down on your ass, I can read.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I'm like, damn, this shit goes so easy. Boy, you know, a whipping solved everything in the side. Everything. You got them. Hey, you, hey. Hey, grandma. Grandma, angry. I'll be here this story we go on.
Starting point is 01:04:27 My grandnie used to have a say that like my aunt would come in the house and, you know, they wouldn't speak because my grandfather was big in that. You couldn't walk in this house and not speak. But you know how women, I mean, they're teenage girls, you know, they might be on this cycle or whatever. And they walk in the house and it wouldn't say anything to him. My grandfather say, if there's something on your mind you want to ask? No, sir. But,
Starting point is 01:04:52 Hey, hey, hey, look at Joe, Joe, Joe. I'm telling you, y'all need to get with my brother. Boy, boy, did they play that. All that coming in the house and all that sucking your teeth and slamming the doors. No, when you walk into the house, it's yes, sir, if, hey, good morning, good afternoon, good night, blow it up the case, maybe. But don't you walk in that man, house and those, boy. Hey, man, hey, y'all, when I was in elementary, bro, we were still,
Starting point is 01:05:18 you still getting paddles. You get paddled. Yes. We had paddles where I was in high school. You could get paddle in high school. I know when I was in elementary, you could get a paddle. I went to the office one time, Ms. Goshen, boy, she gave me, she hit me three times with that paddle.
Starting point is 01:05:32 You got that paddle, Joe? One time, one time. That's all it took, huh? Three times. She hit me three times with that paddle, boy. Hey, hey, never again. Three, boy, did y'all got out life. Man, I remember my homeboy, my home boy,
Starting point is 01:05:51 told the teacher her breath thing. She got that joke about 35. He probably deserved. Hey, I ain't. He told me what? Her breast stay. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Now, so he got 35 legs for the teacher. I know he got something when he got home. Nah, they, no. Hey, I was, I was just surprised. He lasted long in school about as long as skip in the military. You know, skipping, he skipped the military. Got you.
Starting point is 01:06:18 No. They wanted to them. Damn. I mean once you get to a certain age I was like I don't really expect I mean if a guy missing 15 20 30 days and the second third fourth and fifth grade as soon as he get big enough
Starting point is 01:06:32 it's a wrap it's right I mean we roll we ride by they rolling dice so I like they ain't come if you rolling dice at 7 30 in the morning what's your chance of you coming to school Joe what's the chance on your guy it ain't it ain't none I got you okay
Starting point is 01:06:46 well hey the boy hustle early there it is Tennessee beat Iowa State 7662. The balls pulled away in the second half because of their superior size, physicality and toughness, as Iowa State seemed to crack without star forward, Joshua Jefferson.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Rick Barnes and the balls are back to their third consecutive elite eight. We'll have a chance to reach the final four for the first time in team history. Wow. I am happy for Tennessee. Another SEC blood. Another team.
Starting point is 01:07:16 Yep, they got some young guys. They got the freshman that meant who will be. be a lottery pick this year, Arkin Ocho. But the rest of these guys are juniors, seniors. They got a, I think they got another freshman
Starting point is 01:07:28 or two coming out of the bench, but for the most part, they got they got the upperclassmen doing the dirty work while the young guys, you know, doing all the scoring. You know what I mean? And this was surprising to me. It was surprising because I will lead by two guards that's a senior.
Starting point is 01:07:44 You know, obviously I thought both of them played well, but Tennessee too much, bro. They, they brute. They got some bruises under their basket, man. They got out rebounding, I was state by 21. You get out rebounding by that. I'm surprised the score wasn't more lopsided. Think about it if you get out rebounding by 21.
Starting point is 01:08:08 They had 16 offensive rebounds. Shot 51% from the field. So, I mean, you got some good matchups. So I guess it's Michigan and Tennessee. Duke and you know. Hey, we here now. We here now. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Yeah. Hey, you should see who, when it comes down to them brackets, you know who went first now, right? Who you got winning, Ocho? And you know who in first right now, right? Who he got on? Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:08:44 Who he got winning? Hey, y'all make it all them jokes, talking about I'm picking mascots. Yeah, you did. You were. You did. Listen, listen, listen, who is in first right now? And let me tell you who going to win the whole
Starting point is 01:08:57 the March Madness bracket. Who are going to win? What to mean who's going to win? I was pulling up the rear in the beginning. Huh? Come on, now. Who you picked the new? Yeah, yo, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Hold on. Let me, let me get my feet up. He still got Duke in it. He still got Arizona in it. He got Michigan, but he had Virginia to beat Michigan. His bottom half bracket gone. His busted. The South bracket is busted.
Starting point is 01:09:20 But he still got Duke. he got Duke in Arizona to play for the national championship. He got Arizona to win it. Yeah, Arizona looked good. I ain't going to lie to you. I mean, what you want me to say, Joe? But you only picked them
Starting point is 01:09:36 because you just looked at a Wildcat versus a hog. That's what I know. That's what I'm saying. Joe ain't got nothing to do with it. Yeah, it is. Man, you don't know nothing. You don't know nothing about these team. You know the mascot,
Starting point is 01:09:49 and you're like, that's what I'm going with. And it's worked out with. for you. I ain't hating on you. I'm just saying. Yeah, I feel you. But I see, you know what? Next year, I got to take this thing more serious. I got to put some more time in it. I'll watch some basketball. Because, uh, hey, hey, these boys out here getting down.
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