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Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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It looked like the Eagles were going down to win or even tie the game. Yeah. When touchdown, tie, field goal, and then we play on. Then the next score wins. Yes. Instead, Jalen Hurts threw into heavy traffic. The ball was deflected by Tony Jefferson. That's fourth interception, four interceptions by Hertz.

And he had another fumble, turned the ball over twice on one play. a new career high for interceptions on the game. Now, for all you guys talking about, they need to let Jalen Hurst throw more. Let Jaila Hurst throw more. Exhibit A. Hey, hey. Go ahead.

I was going to say, obviously, most of the time you think about Jalen and his decision-making with the ball, even though he doesn't throw the ball much on, he always protects the ball. I think before this game started on the season, I think he maybe had three, maybe four interceptions,

point in the season and to have a game like tonight where his decision making wasn't what it usually is especially at the end of the game understanding the circumstances the flat route is right there the flat route is right there make the guy come up make a goddamn tackle instead of trying to speak thank you thank you oh chole thank you hold on instead of try to squeeze a corner route which you running which they run in the corner route to the goddamn short side of the field so chances are that's not going to be over he can play both of them he can play the so So, also, to your point, because he's in between Goddard and the route, you don't have space. You need space because where are you going?

You can't run a 20-yard out route because you're going to be out of the damn end zone. So Goddard goes up five yards and he goes up seven yards. The guy's in between. He can literally play broke. That's obviously, if you're going to run that concept, if you're going to run that route, that combination concept, you got to run that to the wide side, huh? You got to run to the wide side. why run something like that in that situation to the short side of the field it makes no sense to me

but in that situation if you do run it generally has to know boom as soon as that corner if soon the corner drops off just a little bit trying to play both play trying to play in between just take what's in front of you right now let them let him come up and make the tackle that's it you live to see another down oh cho even if you run that to the short side of the field it needs you need to have distance you got to have separation because because you're because he knows where is number two. That's Dawson. I think that's Dawson, right?

Isn't that Dawson? Yes, yes, yes. Where is he going, Nocho? He can only run so far with hell he'll be in Compton. Yeah. Which will be out of bounds. Yeah. So no touchdown.

So he knows that. So now I can play, I can solve play it because if you throw it to guard it, I'm going to come up. It's only a three-yard game. Yeah. I'm hoping you throw it to guard it so I can tap. But guess what? Since you didn't, I get my hand up in the ball caram.

He played off. tonight there's no way around it one of those picks one he is uh what's they call him uh brown a j yeah a j saw that he saw that linebacker he saw that linebacker that's the one you got that's the one you got to you got to protect him yeah he's you see the guy you know there's a linebacker coming you got to protect the guy that's where you throw it at his waist that's why you get him down and allow him to protect himself yes a j knows that hit is coming coming he's got to make that catch you've got to make a play he can't pop it up because if you're pocket it up the guy that's trailing you go get a pick every time is it's as simple as that but

AJ knows he's got to got he's got to make that play but then he hit on his own he hit the detackle in the damn chest and then the guy called hold on hold on hold on listen that zone blitz and that de tackle pop out instead of rushing that's hard to see that's hard to see for a quarter for for for the question yeah the guy that he was trying to throw it to was behind the guy that he hit in the chest. How is that hard to see? No, no, I'm just saying, you know, that's why it's call his own blitz and they had that deep,

that detaggle pop out like that because you're not expecting as a quarterback. You already, what's that, predetermined? You already predetermining what the ball is home. I just wanted you to say that. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's all I just wanted him to say that, chat. Right, right.

He had already made his mind up where he was going with the football. Right, right. That's all I just wanted him to say that chat. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Mm-hmm. So, here's the thing, Ocho, you make a terrible read, You hit the guy in the chest.

The guy comes from behind him, scripts him of the football, okay, the ball pops out. You get it. Instead of falling on the ground, because guess what, Ocho, since it's a change in possession, is your ball and his first down going that way. First down going to go.

Now you try to be hero. Jalen want to be a hero, because we're going to talk about it on sports and we're going to talk about it tonight if he gets that ball up and gets 10 yards, get 15 yards. So instead of doing the wise thing, what do you try to do, Ocho?

Try to run a little bit. Guess what happened, Ocho? Oh, ball out again. You fumble again, yeah. Yeah, hey, it was a weird game tonight. It was a weird game tonight with so many fumbles, whether it was special teams, whether one, you know, both offenses, it was eight turnovers in the game tonight.

I'm not sure what the record is for the most turnovers in the game, but this has to be up there with it. This has to be up there with it. And I really thought the defense would have saved the day for them. And obviously, they would have been that San Diego got a field goal in the first overtime. So I thought, hell, the eagle's going to go down to score. You know what you need.

I was actually hoping they were going to score, you know, for their, for their sake and with the way they played. But unfortunately, the decision making on Jalen, you know, at the end of the game, it kind of, it kind of hurt. And another thing, one of the, one of the best throws, one of the, one of the throws that, that tour. I know the throw you're talking about. That third and 15, where he let that ball go right off the divante. Ooh, who, who, I know the, I knew to play exactly the play you talking about. that was beautiful boy that's what we call anticipating yes let me go and trusting your receiver that was beautiful right there boy that was art show that's what they ask him to do that's what

he doesn't do well enough right when it's when it's one-on-one yeah but see the really good ones you have to throw in the windows yeah you have to trust your skill set while also trusting your receiver to be where he's going to be but you really got to trust yourself mm-hmm you really have to trust yourself. Yeah. Hey, also, Ocho, when you ran that, when you ran that bang,

that bang eight, you look, hey, on that seventh step or that glance, we call it, you call it a bang eight, you call it a glance. When that seven step

and the outside foot hit, when I do this, ball down. That ball should be right there. I mean, I don't care what that safety does. I don't care. All I know is that corner is on my outside.

That ball's going to be there. And the quarterback job is to protect me, is to protect the throat don't put it back here and make me do this until he can not knock it down hey put it right there in another thing put it right there and the safety come i can protect myself listen and don't let the safety take a goddamn bad angle and i want to keep that thing about the backside and dip on and come out the backside i got i got away with i got away with it one time i never forget we were playing the buffalo bills at home uh Nate clemens Nate clemens guard me i'm not sure what that safety was thing about but when i took

that seven step or like I made my fifth step I was peeking at the safety and oh he was in the wrong place he was in the wrong place he he had his feet he had his feet set instead of getting back in that pedal he wasn't in no shovel you are already in the pool spread man I hug that I hugged that bitch and went and like a damn near you turn hug that bitch and came back down here and got about the back door skull hi we ain't got no eagle fans tonight a lot joe but they didn't out of here I know because you know the normally whoa whoa what you got to say now oh Joe what y'all got to say now by the eagles what y'all at for eagle fans come on we need you get the chat up how many we got in the chat right now come on eagle fans I know y'all look

they might be sleep long it's late what where the bird is that oh yo normally normally eagle's fly eagles fly all you see is eagles are everybody chat and eagles across the board What's all that? Oh, there you go. There's one. There and one. Hey, they in there. Hey, but if you know that, E.J., uh, Ocho, one of the wings broke.

The eagle like this here, he got one wing, the other one to his side. So we got to get them to a vet. In advance in the house, in advance. Well, that's the good thing. The eagle has landed. Crash landed. Yeah. This is a good thing about it, though.

The running game, the running game got going. We got going a little bit. Saekworn had a hundred and some chains at night. 122 on 20 carries Yeah They got going Let me see what else Hell they still got a chance

Huh They still got a chance They still have a chance They still have a chance To win the division They have to play They have to play They have to play

They got the commanders twice They got the Giants And who else they got The commanders is winnable The commanders is winnable Jane Daniels is out for the season Oh they got Raiders

commanders There's a win commanders they ain't beating the bills listen that that's that's the toughest one right there where they plan the bills at they plan it don't matter they can play on the moon you don't got no faith in them no they ain't got no face in them in themselves we've seen this movie before remember a couple of years ago they got up to that great start and then they crash landed yes the eagle heck the eagle has crashed yes we saw that doesn't it seem doesn't it feel the same the exact same way right

Matter of fact, this was the year before the Super Bowl run, actually. Yep. Yeah, the year before the Super Bowl, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Eagles defense played extremely well. They sacked Justin Herbert seven times. Had he not been as mobile and athletic as he is, they probably would have got him 10 or 11 times. Yeah, way more than that, absolutely.

But look, they got to figure this thing out. They really do. I mean, you look at Hunt had two and a half sacks. Bond had a half a sack. Byron Young had a sack and a half. Nicobie Dean had a sack. Jordan Davis had a sack and a half. I mean, they was on him.

Yeah. And you know, someone, let me, let me for Jalen Hurst two on two of those interceptions. One was A.J. Brown's fault. One, the one that Deonté Jackson or Dante Johnson?

That wasn't on Jalen Hurst. That was on Smitty. That's Smitty. I love you. Oh yeah, when you slipped out, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got, you got to. You got to come out that ball.

You got to come out of that ball and you can't stop. You got to come back to it. That was on my thought. He slipped. And normally when you slip, when you try to plan on your inside foot and you try to roll in that foot get out from under you.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Instead of drop, Hey, Ocho, instead of dropping your weight, putting that weight on new quads, me, I know they small. They don't, hey, they ain't a whole lot. Yeah.

They small, smitty. But you got to get back down here. Because if you roll out that inside foot, yeah. It's going to get out from my foot. under you and he's throwing it on anticipation yeah and this is what's going to happen mm-hmm uh but it's unfortunate i mean oh joe have you ever seen a turnover this uh two turnovers on one play by guy yeah hold on a long time ago the new new o'erland saints was playing uh

i think the redskins remember somebody fumbled the ball or somebody fumbled the ball and then robert mitcham i think it was robin meet him the saints had the ball it was the interception then roger meet him oh yeah yeah yeah but hold on not the ball from here the thing he no but the same guy did it though i know the play you're talking about yeah yeah yeah he threw a pick the guy fumbled yeah robert mitchin took it from him took it from him went back the other way with it yeah yeah i'm talking about the same guy he throws a pick and oh no no no no no i've never seen that i've never seen it either i've never and i've seen some some wacky wacky wacky wacky plays outlook the ball bounce is funny

And you see some stuff that you normally wouldn't see. Who is that? I think Jacksonville, he's playing Houston, and you talk to bat it down. He bats the ball down, no joke, but he bashed it right to a Houston,

Texas, I mean to a Jacksonville Jaguar who walks in the end zone on the Hill Mary. Yeah. Because you knock it down, knock it down. Oh, damn, he right there, knocked it down right in his arms,

he walked right into the end zone. We see Jacksonville run all over. Who is that, was that Jacksonville or New Orleans? That run all over the field. Because they ran a lateral ultra. They laddered like 40 times. Trying to score.

They scored, and then the guy come on and missed the PAT. But, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think I saw something they said it's the first time since 78, so I don't know. But it's a rare play. Ain't a whole lot of people have seen that play because the NFL wasn't covered like it is now. and a lot of people weren't born in 78.

So somebody might have saw it, but I have never seen it. And I've seen a lot of wacky things because I've been around since 68, been watching football since 77. Well, I've been watching to understand, but I remember the first game I probably remember is that we went over to my great-grandmother's house

on a Monday night to watch O.J. For real? Yep, to watch OJ then was playing on a Monday night. And my grandfather wanted to see O.J. and so uh but look this game really the pressure is starting them out on the eagles because they had they got up to this great start oh cho they were they were four or five games clear oh yeah of everybody they best somebody lose they must somebody lose another game and the cowboys they've got to win they've got to win the cowboys are what five and what the cowboys are six six and one so

they've got to win oh it'll be three of them Three of the next five. Yeah. Yeah, three in the next five. Well, chalking up for the Raiders. They're going to win, beat the Raiders. So, yeah, both teams got four games. So they're going to have to, the Cowboys can only,

most of the Cowboys can win is 10. Right. They can be 10, 6 and 1. Raiders win, the Eagles win three of their last four. They get the 11. 11 is more than 10 it'd be very interesting to see

if they go 2 and 2 yeah because now the Cowboys win because the Cowboys is 10 and 6 one and y'all will be 10 and 7 hmm damn nah no no no we're talking about no man unc ain't no eagle fan

nope nope I don't hear that don't worry about what I'm a fan of as a matter of fact I ain't a fan of of nothing. I'm central heating and cooling. That's what I am. No, I ain't no fan. Nah, don't be talking about now. All of a sudden, I ain't no fan. Y'all don't have no problem when I

get on Ocho Bengals. Y'all don't have no problem when I get on these other teams. Now y'all want to, now I see why they say Cry Eagles Cry. Now, I see why you say Cry Eagles cry now. Because when I'm on Ocho, man they're up with killing Ocho. When I get on all these other teams,

oh, y'all, y'all, Kiki, Kee, me up, man ump went in up went in up was on one tonight now oh whoa whoa now um don't must with the eagles um mess with everybody y'all know what i do y'all have no problem when i went on when i went in on the ravens yesterday and went on on boy y'all was kiki kee kee here i saw all y'all retweeting it so so how much faith how much faith you have in the in the eagles the rest of the season Scale of one to ten. Honestly, Ocho?

Yeah. Five. Oh, so you're on the fence? Five. Okay, okay, okay. Because they still haven't figured out. Defensive, they're fine. Yeah.

But see, here's the problem. What happens when your offense put you in harm's way? You see, the defense can ball out and the offense don't put him in harm's way. Right. But what happens when you put me on a short field? You put me on a short field. Guy walks out there and I don't get another yard. I got a field goal.

Right. See, that's the problem that you run into. Yeah. And plus, Ocho, look, we look at the command and we say with the commanders, but that's a division game. Yeah. You know how division games are. It don't matter.

Right. And misery loves company. What watching the go out after the last game of the season? Try to sport. Well, guess what? I'm taking you with me. You got ice cream and I ain't got none. I'm going to knock yours out your hand.

We both ain't got none. Hey. But I just say it, we're going to have a good time. But now, look, the defense is outstanding. Their defense is going to keep them in a lot of games. Playing really well. I mean, think about it, Ochoie. It took overtime to get to 22.

Took overtime to get to 22. As a matter of fact, they took the last drive to get the 19. Yeah. So that's how well the Eagles defense is still playing. They had a quarterback, Justin Herbert had 139 yards passing. Now, they did give up 160-something yards. 69 yards rushing. But a couple of those

runs came in overtime when the first play of overtime Herbert kept the ball. Remember he he picked up like, what, 13 yards on that one? So some of that, some of that came in overtime. Yeah, when you look at this and you see 12 or 26, we held them to under 50%

way under, I mean, that looked like in the mid-40s, 12 or 26 I don't know at the top of my head. 439 yards, Ocho? Yeah, absolutely. And this is... Yeah, I can live with that. Listen, hold on another tall tale on how well the Eagles defense play here.

Forget playing tonight, how well they played all season long. Correct. You had goddamn five turnovers. Five turnovers most of the time. Huh? And you lose by three. Man, this... Five turnovers and you lose by three, Ocho.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, we have three. What if we have two? let's just say we have two turnovers you win this game easily and and that's the problem that you have because it doesn't matter how well a particular unit plays especially your offense your defense plays if your offense turns the ball over and puts them on harm's way so let's just say like I said just say for the sake of argument on Cho we turn the ball over and we don't allow them to get a first down the guy walks on the field and kicks a field goal yeah that's three points that's three points that that our offense gave up because we didn't allow first down we

didn't allow them to gain a yard it's just tough uh i mean a j had 13 targets six catches dallas got to had 10 targets eight catches uh smitty had eight targets four catches you know you know what i don't want to happen even though they had a game like tonight i don't want jayling to get gun shy don't get gunshot don't get gunshot keep throwing that thing but he already gunshot that's why he won't throw in the tight windows but listen what I saw

on that third and 15 unk when he thread that goddamn needle and he made that anticipatory throw he can do that all the time he can do it if you can do it right there in that moment where the game is on the goddamn line the game is on the line

you have you need that play if you could do it then you could do it consistently How many half court shots can you make? Huh? How many half court shots can you make? So if I go out there and I give you and you first try, you make it, and so what are you going to say? You know what?

I made it there and I can make it all the time. You believe that? I mean, hey, that's a good one. That's a little bit of an exaggeration. Especially, Ocho, think about what you said. In that moment. Right. When you throw caution to the wind and you feel like, well, I ain't got nothing to lose.

Mm-hmm. Now, it was that moment. in the ball game that he had to do that. In the first quarter, he's going to be a little more tentative. He knows if I don't get this, Ocho, it's fourth and something. Mm-hmm. He ain't had no choice,

he ain't had no choice, but let it go. I mean, that was, that's as good as throw as we've seen Jalen Hertz make this year. Hold on. That was the best, that was the best throw. As you said, given the circumstances, third and 15, over time

back against the wall we're down three we don't want to be fourth and 15 yeah at work I mean look if he takes a friday throw give me something

I don't want to be fourth and 15 let's just say if I'm fourth and five I can live with that but he got the whole shabang I thought for a second I'm like she Smith it might come out the back side I thought it was

I thought he was I thought he might come out the back side all it takes for that safety to take the wrong angle you take the wrong angle is curtains but look they got their work cut out for the charges had to win this game um the charges don't win this game it's basically it's basically curtains for them because i don't think they can do

enough what they could have because there's four games left they'd have been eight and four the broncos or 11 and two they play the broncos the last game of the season so the broncos theoretically could play them and the charges would win the tiebreaker if they both finish at 12 wins oh right because they would have swept the series they own the tiebreaker. Right now, the Broncos own the tiebreaker over the Patriots

because they beat the Raiders and the Raiders beat the past at the beginning of the season. So this thing is not over yet. It's a long ways from being over, but the Eagles really got their work.

They really dug themselves a hole with this one, oh Joe? And the Cowboys like, damn, just when we, every time we try to step in front of the train, Eagles, you pull us back off the tracks. We see the train coming.

We're right there, let the train go in the run over. He can say, nah, not just yet, and pull us off the track. But who did the charges play next? If a Lenovo gaming computer is on your holiday list, don't shop around. Just go directly to the source, Lenovo.com. It's your last chance to score exclusive deals on the gaming PCs you want, the Lenovo Legion Tower 5 Gen 10 gaming desktop and Lenovo Locke gaming laptop. So avoid all that shopping chaos and price comparing and just go directly to the source,

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New York Times bestseller Shot Ready, available now. Ooh! Well, who they got? Who they got the Chiefs? They got the Texans. Chiefs. Oh, they got the Chiefs?

They got the Cowboys, they got the Texans, and they got the Broncos. Oh, my God. Well, what a way to end. If the Eagles, hey, and you know the Eagles, the Eagles got seven sacks. You know the Broncos defense chomping at the bit. Yeah, they're coming. They're coming. And that's in Denver.

That game's in Denver. Mm-hmm. I, Justin Herbert needs to take care of their left hand, too. He got to get it. It's hard, Ocho, because the thing is, Ocho, you do everything you can, not to fall down on it. Yeah. And it's hard, and it's hard.

It's hard not to. It's hard to protect the ball. It's hard to do this because, hey, you saw them guys swiping at it? Mm-hmm. Hey, it's so funny. Hey, he got a hurt ankle. Hey, anytime they run to the right and watching them hand off with the right hand, hey, that looked funny as hell.

Oh, yeah. Yep. Or the backhand handoff. But look, I think this is what the NFL. wanted, that's why everybody has to play a division game, the last game of the season. Because normally, what were guys doing, Ocho? Guys were sitting guys out.

Ain't nobody playing. Yep. Mm-hmm. Nah, bro. You got to play now. Yeah, you don't have a choice. Ain't nobody got no division. You look at the NFC. West. The 49ers. Seahawks. The Rams. And you got, who is,

and Seattle. Oh, that thing coming out, that thing coming out to the last month. Damn, the last game. Last game, yep. That's what you want. You look at the situation with the AFC North. Yeah. You got the Steelers. You got the Ravens.

And the Bengals say, hey, we ain't done yet. No, I'm, hey, I'm glad you've known. I'm glad you've known. They're done, but I'm saying they just saying that. Hey, hey, no, you said, you said exactly, you said exactly how you feel. Even the, uh, the, uh, AFC South with the Houston, Texans and, and, and you see, they brought Phillip Rivers in, 44 years. your old Philip Rivers.

Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now, I'm in impeccable shape. If Philip Rivers could come back and play, I mean, the Bengals should go and give me a shot. Ocho, y'all play a totally different position

and Philip Rivers has never never relied on athleticism. You see Philip Rivers up close. He ain't got much legs, he got ten kids. He ain't got much legs left, Ocho. Damn. He got grandkids? Yeah.

Damn! y'all yeah yeah hey i got grandkids but hell i'm fifty seven yeah they had no grandkids in 44 hey um i'm i'm i got grandkids on i got a grandchild do you yeah damn yeah yeah for the game one week after undergoing surgery to repair a fracture on the non-throwing hand herbert led his team in rushing and had put up to a five yards total he rushed for 66 yards Ocho on 10 carries. He gained 20 of that on the game time drive late in the fourth quarter.

I mean, these guys, I mean, the days of it, it's guys are mobile now. Guys, I mean, you look at that division. Mahomes got legs. Bo Nix definitely got legs. Herbert got legs. I mean, the days of Ocho used to be, you know, you have one or two guys that was mobile.

And if you were mobile, that was a strike against you. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They downgraded you, we were mobile. Mm-hmm. Now, you got the habit. Yeah, and, yeah, the game has evolved, huh? It's not, it's not like the same way where quarterbacks were statues back there,

and you were, you know, a prototypical drop-back passing quarterback. Yeah, that is, that is not what it is today. But if you are that, then you have to make up for that and be special in so many other areas. Yes. To make up for your lack of production with your legs. You right about that, Ocho? You ain't, you know what? I can't.

When you're right, you ain't wrong. Oh, Joe, we got some good news. Oh, whoa, wait, wait, wait. Let me get comfortable. Let me get comfortable. Oh, let me take. Man, my shirt is so tight. Hold on.

Okay, okay, go ahead. Get it to me. We got a great new. The good news is our awards came in. The bad news is they sent me your awards. Come on, man. Hey, listen, we're not. Hey, don't come on, man.

Now, now you want to come on, man. Now you want to come on. Hey, chance you're here. Come on, man. Come on, man. No, it don't come on, man. Now, hey, let me tell you. It's going to be, it's going to be 20, 20.

Listen, I just, listen, hold on. Hey, see, hey, you must have forgot the same way I broke in your house and got these two. The next time you got to have a sign in or you got to do, you know, go somewhere for La Portier. I'd come back in your house again. It don't make me none. So you could do two things You can send me my awards No, unfortunately I'm not going to be able to do that

5,900 for shipping and handling Hey, um, listen I love you to death, right? But I'm gonna tell you one thing Boy, you're cruising for a bruising, boy Oh, Cho, look at this. Hey, hey, that thing, ooh, that thing is shiny too. Yeah, look at that!

Hey, Chad, look at your awards. Ooh, woo! He got two of the face. Hey, hey, um, Hey, hey, um, hey, um, Huh? Hey, you're cruising for a bruising. You hear me?

No, no, no. Here, it's right here. Yeah, yeah. Hey, let me see. Hold it up again. God. The A is shiny. Hey, that's real gold.

Look at what they say. What does say, chat? What does it say on there? I can't see. Unk, I only got one eye. It says, 2,025 listeners choice award. Chad Johnson, Nightcap, SheeShay Media.

Ooh, that's me. 20-25 listeners choice award. Chad Johnson, Nightcap, She-Shay Media. Hey, hey, hey, I'm so happy, Unk. I'm so proud, Uncle. I don't know what you're happy for. Hey, hey, I'm so happy because, you know, through life and life, you know,

I ain't really never won nothing. No, you know, being here on the show and you give me the opportunity to be on the show, this is my first time winning multiple awards back to back because I couldn't do it on the field. so this means so much to me that's why you need to send me my award because I can get upset

I can get emotional about my wars Who would you like Who would you like to because if Who would you like to get? Would you like For French Fry to get one? Yeah matter of fact I want one for all my kids Unfortunately you only got two So French Frye Get One

Who do you want the other one to go to? You know what I'm gonna let the two babies I'll let Chachai and Kennedy split the other one Okay Yeah I like I like that Hey, but you're a real one. So you're going to send it to me so I can give it to him for Christmas? No, not going to be able to do that, don't you?

I mean, as much as, I mean, it pays me to say that I'm not. Right. But I'm not. That's all right. That's all right. Hey, I tell you, I tell you one thing. I'm going to put these in the safe deposit box in the bank. That ain't going to work.

They definitely ain't going to put that in there. Yet, hold on. It's my safe deposit box. What do you mean they're not going to put that in there? Well, what kind of, what kind of safe deposit box you got that's going to fit that big I think it's a 16 by 20 or 20 by 24 yeah yeah what bank you who you bank with I don't know okay okay I like that hey you saw the you saw the move of the town yeah I saw the town okay we're going ahead to put it in Massachusetts yeah go

ahead and put it in there let me show you I get it out now you want to be a inside man Clyde Boyd and, um, God damn. Jody Foss, Jody Foster. Jody Foster and, uh, Plummer, Chewetell, Jamie, Jamie Fox. No, no, no, that's Denzel. That was Denzel. Denzel was, uh, investigator.

They were stuck in the bank. And Chewetell, Edge of Four, Jody Foster. Mm-hmm. Christopher Plummer and Clive Owen. Hey, that was a good movie, boy. That was a good movie. If a Lenovo gaming computer is on your holiday list, don't shop around.

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The Browns have finally named Shador their starting quarterback for the rest of the season. No more week-to-week bulljive. Here's what Stefanski had to say about it today. I think all along, Mary Kay, as you know, with our quarterbacks and our young players, you're always making sure they're making the right decisions for our guys. And I think he's, he has constantly and consistently gotten better in each one of these games and how he's approached this game. He's been working very hard. So I feel good about where his development is heading. He knows there are always going to be plays that he can be better and those type of things.

but he's very intentional about getting better each and every game he's out there. Kevin, hi. Was it a mistake not to start Shadur earlier? Yeah, I'm not going to get into those type of things, Tony. I'm obviously focused on what's in front of us. I mean, that's a good thing. It's better when he can actually get on the field and show you what it can do. Yes, sir.

He's on the side flipping the ball. and going through his dropbacks when he ain't throwing to nobody. Right. Look, Ocho, boy, I want to hear what you've got to say on this. I mean, I was just going to say it's a good thing. There's no more confusion.

You're not looking over your shoulder. You can go out there. You can lock in and do what you need to do. Preparation. You say it all the time. I've said it all the time. And that goes for anybody, whether it's sports,

whether it's life in general. When preparation meets opportunity, when opportunity meets preparation, this is what you get. You get games like this. So the more he gets to jail and build that continuity and chemistry with his offense and his receivers and his office alignment, the better he's going to look on the field. And just to think about it, if I think about what he would look like, if you look like this in his third game, what do you think it would look like if you've been playing all season long? There's nothing we can do about that.

All we can do is think about and start from what we are right now. The game you had last week, what you want to do is you want to bill off of that. bill off that and continue to go forward finish the season off strong so they have no choice so they have no choice even if you might be auditioning for another team listen we can take him

but if he can do what he's doing right now for the Cleveland Browns organization imagine if we were able to bring him in here where we have a better supporting cast to put around him so I think he's auditioning still if he's not going to be in Cleveland next year he's auditioning for another job somewhere

else where he can be the starter and not have to worry. I agree. Can um, Stefan's can not say sure? Is S.H words? Is that out of his vocabulary?

Because why can't he just say the man? Why can't he say the man's name? Why do it when we deal it with young players? You know, I think you do it. I think should do it. I think should do it's progress very, very well. You know,

you know why. I like, I like what I've seen. Even though when he wasn't playing, you can tell a guy that's being very attentive. Uh, the guy that's, that's a very, attention to detail.

You see the way he takes copious notes when he's in meetings. You see the way he goes about his business at practice, although he wasn't getting reps with the starters, and he didn't start getting reps until later in the season. Yeah. It's okay. Excuse me. It is okay to admit we made a mistake.

Right. It's okay to say, you know what? Yeah, maybe if things look different, we all have the luxury of hindsight. It's a magnificent science. Yeah. We have the luxury of knowing. today what we didn't know yesterday yes I get that and I get your questions and

all your questions are very very valid mm-hmm but if I were to answer your her question if I was asked the the reporter's question and honesty now I look bad mm-hmm this organization look bad you and I don't want that right you see what you just did did you see how you answered that question so eloquently not only do you not only did you answer eloquently you threw a word in there I don't know what the hell it meant so that's why I raised my finger

and I wanted to go back to that because what kind of notes did he take again? Copious. Ooh. Hey, you're a bit of asaurus, huh? But the thing is people have a hard time and I get it it's hard because

we don't like to be wrong and if we're wrong we damn sure don't want admit that we wrong. But I think it shows growth. I think it shows maturity that when we're wrong and we're man or we're woman enough to say that I was wrong, that wish we could have done something differently. Whatever the reasons were, I was wrong. And you have to be man or woman enough to say that I was wrong in order for you to sincerely,

in order for you to have growth. Now, if he didn't want to ask, I think we know the answer. Chad, I think we know the answer. Why he didn't want to answer that. was it a mistake not to start them? Because I would like to think their record would be better than what it was. Now, it could be, chat.

I mean, now we're sitting here saying they could have won probably two more games given that you do it. Maybe they don't win no more games. Maybe they have the exact, the identical record. We'll never know. But it's hard to get somebody

admit when they're wrong. And we see in real time what's actually happening. And we see and a whole lot of guys. Think about it. He's got probably the, I think the fourth or the fifth most passing yards by a rookie quarterback

that wasn't taken in the first round. That's crazy. That's crazy. So I'm glad he's getting an opportunity to start. The teams that he's up, the Bears, the 9 of 4, they're playing in Chicago. The next game, game the bills 9 and 4 playoff team Steelers at home the division leader and then they finish

on the road at your board at your bingles which could have some playoff implications um for the bingles not for obviously cleveland's not going anywhere um it and also all depends all depends on what would they try to do oh joe did they start like this because they tried to get draft they're trying to get positioned for the draft what what were what were they hoping because Because you know Joe Flacko is what Joe Flacko is. You know now. I mean, the guy's 40 plus years old. You know what he is.

He's streaky. He'll win your game or two. But he's always been and always has been. Always will be a turn over machine. That's what he is. Yeah. I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine.

We've been trying to figure out what the Browns have been doing with their organization for a very long time, not just this year, but the past 30-some years, especially at the quarterback position. They haven't got it right. in a very long time and still to this day still to this day they still haven't answered that question and no the one that looks like it might be promising they still have an issue with that so it looks like what they're trying to do based on some of the things that we've that we've seen some of the

things that we've heard come out of out of that locker room or that organization in general they still don't think the person that is at the helm right now is the answer they don't Yeah, I mean And I really hate to feel this way But a part of me like yeah We're going to let him start the rest of the season Oh, Bears, Bills, Steelers, Bingles If I should do I'm like, nah, I'm good

I already showed y'all what I can do Put Dillon in there Nah, you know no matter of fact Nah, I want him to play against the Bears I want him to play against the bills I want him to play against the Steelers Because I want him to show That I'm a competent quarterback

Yes to compete at the highest level as a rookie if given the right amount of time to prepare. Right. That's what I want him. I want him to have Oh, no, no, no. You, oh, Joe, but this is not a mistake. They pick these games and they, why can you

name his ass to start a three games ago? Why was it week to week? Because you know what? Every time he don't want to ask a question, he always said, well, I don't want to get into that. Right. I don't want to get into that. Because they ask you, they ask him before, which it should do or go to start. Well, I don't want getting at that let's look at the film and all that bro you know wait wait no no no that's not true that's

not true because after the first game and they asked him is he going to start the next game he wanted to see if he could do it again what is he going to look like again if he looked bad what's the first thing you think sepancy was going to do he's going to put dylan gabriel back in there that's that's why he had to all right i don't want to answer that right now i don't know but Chador gave you no choice man could you imagine after you played after you played this game after he played this last game in the game

before that if he was the bench you took Bench Shadoo you're talking about losing your locker room at that and listen at that point I guarantee you one of the veterans would have spoke out I guarantee you one of the veterans who spoke out they probably already speaking out I mean it ain't get out in the public yet

no no I mean you know and I think the thing is, look, the last thing that you want to do because Dillon is still your teammate, it's not his fault. You can never blame a player for an organization or a coach's decision. I can't get mad at you because they put his ass in there. I can't get mad at him because this organization drafted him before me.

That has got nothing to do with me. I wish him the best. I'm going to support him as best I possibly can. I couldn't get mad at the guys they took before me. It wasn't their fault. but I tell you in a couple of years you're gonna wish you like damn I'm glad we took this guy in the seventh round

we probably should have taken him early yeah so I'd never be grudged the guy because they didn't draft themselves Dylan Gabriel didn't draft himself all I'm happy now and for me I'm glad they came to this conclusion yeah did it take longer than I think it should have yes I think most people believe

that it took longer than what it should have but at the end of the day they got it right I wouldn't say it took longer they should have Dylan Gabriel was their third round pick on Dylan Gabriel was their third round pick and he was the successor to Joe Flacco so when Joe Flacco moved on

automatically Dylan Gabriel goes into the lineup and it's time to see what he can do it didn't go well it didn't go well now it should do it's time to see what they can do yep that's all and he's only going to get better I mean, you're going to have some growing pains.

He's not going to, I don't see him throwing for 364 and four, having four touchdowns every game. But I tell you what, all I need to see is improvement. All I need to see, and I saw some stuff late in the ball game, that I saw the mistakes that he made earlier, that he self-corrected. That's when you know a guy gets it. When you can self-correct on the fly, Ocho, Mm-hmm.

Oh, he get it. Yeah. Oh, he definitely gets it. All we want to see. I mean, excuse me, in that organization, as a head coach, as a GM, as teammates, not only improving week to week, but giving us a chance. Give us a chance so we can compete week in and week out. That's all you want. And that's all you can ask for.

Consistency. How consistent can you be offensively to give us a chance? That's it. Yeah. so you do it's your ball pick it up and run with it bro do what you do you got four you got the four you got four games these last four games it's about you know what we got our guy we got our guy let's go in the draft and get an offensive lineman a receiver a linebacker or no I like that's linebacker that rookie linebacker

them 49 he hailed maybe get somebody go opposite of a get i don't know but chador's job is to show them they don't need a quarterback yeah that's his job yep and then build a team how they best see i don't know if we should trust them to build a team but i just think the thing is ocho is that we just showed them show them that you got the right guy, because he said it. I'm going to show him what they've been looking for. I'm what they've been searching. They've turned over a lot of stones.

And, you know, sometimes, Ocho, you got to kiss a lot of dragons to find your princess. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So they've had 35. They had damn there, many more, many quarterbacks and we've had U.S. presidents. Yeah.

But, but, uh, uh, should do or say that starts with me. It stops with me. No more. You're gonna have, you're gonna have peace and prosperity for the next decade. I like it. I like it. Hey, matter of fact, yeah.

Hey, um, uh, I'm, I'm wondering if the chat, the chat heard about that too. You heard about, damn, I mean, this is sad for me. Mr. Cup, you heard about Mr. Cup? No. Yeah, man. His wife left him. Oh, Lord, here we go.

Yeah. Now he's a solo cup. I do it with something. I do it with something. Oh, Cho. There might be some trouble Brewery in Tennessee After the Titans win

Cam Ward told the media post game It feels good to win But you know what But you know winning still high stuff There's a lot of flaws That we've got to continue to get over personally And just as a team And I've got to

And we've got to just come next week With the right mindset When asked about how badly they needed to win He said I really didn't need a win I treat the wins the same. I treat the losses the same. There are always something I have to do to do better.

I wake up tomorrow. I'm going to do the same thing I did last week, try and get better. 104.5 the zone morning, Ramon and Will, Titan's sideline reporter, Will Bowling, shared a story from the team playing on the ride home Sunday evening. On the plane home, Ocho, ride home, Arden Key gets on the intercom and says, y'all enjoy this.

Don't listen to what Cam's saying. Y'all enjoyed this. It's hard to win in this league. Enjoy it. Other Titan media member unhappy with Bowling shared this story. Surely the team is unhappy as well. There's a good chance he will not be on the plane moving forward. Hey, I'm confused.

So, Cam, they won the game. Yes. Now, would it Cam say exactly? Give it to me. in layman's terms? They asked him how badly did they need to win? Okay. I really didn't need it.

I treat wins the same. I treat losses the same. There's always something that I have to do better. I wake up tomorrow. I'm going to do the same thing I did last week, try to get better. Okay, so he was even keel about it. He wasn't high, he wasn't low,

he was just even kill about it. But I think you've got to choose your words wisely. What do you mean? didn't need a win. Bro, you had lost like 15 games in a row. Yeah, you got to choose your words wisely. See, I think the thing is, he said, he's saying stuff that Tom Brady would say

after five Super Bowls. He's saying stuff that, bro, I get it. I get it. Oh, man, I don't, I stay even kill. It's hard. Well, you'll find out. You'll find out. It's hard to win in this league.

All right. Now, I don't agree with the sideline reporter because what stays on the plane stays on the plane. Right. What you see in the whole. hotel room you don't report that hmm listen they ain't had much to report so he ran with that one on of course they ain't they had much to report this season so obviously but but but for

that kid to do that I'm telling you oh too I that I told you this when he said we I'm telling you he better be careful mm-hmm I told you when he said what he said for this gentleman to do what he did you see what happened already don't y'all listen to Don't you all listen to Cam? I told you, Ocho. I'm not telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what being a leader is in a locker room. Being a leader of men amongst men,

I'm telling you he better be careful. Yeah, you got to choose your words wisely, especially at the quarterback position, you have to be very PC. You got to be very PC and that's a skill too. It is. It's a skill to be able to do that. You know, to be a quarterback and be very savvy when it comes to the media and knowing

how to answer questions without really answering them. Answer questions without really answering them. Hey, politicians are really good at that. Ask the president of the question. He'll tell you, he'll talk to you for 50 minutes about everything else except what you got about. But the one thing we do know, everybody. Tom, yes, we needed this win.

We needed to get the stench of losing out of this room. Yes. You don't say, oh, I didn't really need a win. Yes, you do. Right. Yeah. Everybody needs it. That's why you work so damn hard.

Now I start to question myself on show. Why are we doing all this? We ain't winning. What are we doing wrong? Right. What am I doing wrong? Yeah. And when you win, after not winning for,

we didn't always win Super Bowls every year. I've had a five, six game losing streak. I've had long losing streets. Boy, when ain't nothing like, it feels like you won the Super Bowl. Mm-hmm. Because you work, put all that time in, and then when you don't,

when it doesn't bear fruit, when that tree doesn't bear fruit, you're like, damn. Okay. And then when you win, oh my goodness, after losing? That's just me. Hey, but you know, he probably, he won all, you know, he won in college and, you know, he's been winning.

So take winning for granted to each his own, whatever. But I'm telling you, he better be careful. I told you this when he said, what he said. He said, oh, okay. Oh, you better listen to me. Now, I told you, I say, Ocho, if I tell you grass would turn to cheese, I want you to quit nightcap,

start hustling crackles. Now, I ain't tell you. Now, y'all say this, he better be careful. You get a little grace because you're the quarterback. You're the first pick in the draft. Yeah. But those guys watch it now.

They watch it. And you can't fool them. you can fool the reporters you can fool the fans but them guys they see your ass eight nine hours a day oh cho yeah wednesday thursday friday saturday sunday six months a year you ain't fool of them you're not fool him yeah but he has to be here's what interim coach mike mccoy on monday said when asked about cam's mindset yeah you want to enjoy every win in this business it's never easy It's tough to win in the NFL weekend and week out, but it's just he's a competitor and Cam wants to be great. He wants to play great every week, and there are times that if you don't play that way, he's not going to sugarcoat it sometimes.

What he says is how he plays and his opinion on things, but it's about winning. That's the number one thing. Rookie Marcus Harris spoke for the Young Corps. He's like, I think Cam, I think that Cam's mindset is it was a good mindset. but then, as you know, some of the other guys expressing how difficult it is to win. And the other part is understood,

but I think it's just holding ourselves to a high standard, and that's what it's all, that's what it was about. Ocho. Mm-hmm. Well, you met the standard. You won.

Yeah. You met the standard. If the standard, if the standard is to win, and you win, I get it. You don't set things in a loss, I mean,

in the win that you weren't on a loss. We understand that, but you have to build of that. That's something we build to, Ocho. When you're not used to winning, there's a reason why the Titans got the number one pick in the draft, Ocho. Because what did they do the previous last year? Win. Yeah.

Go ahead. What were you going to say? No, that was it. That was it. You're right. You're right. You're right. I mean, there's really nothing I can say about that.

I mean, you just, you got to be able to navigate. a little better, a little better. He'll get a little savvier savvy, savvier when it comes to talking to the media and answering his questions, but he's been a rough year for the boys over there, man in Tennessee,

right? A lot about playing quarterback is how I navigate your wordplay. Everything can't be blunt. How you, like, how, like me and you might talk one way to the barbershop. And then when I get,

it's a whole different tune. Right. That's how you have to be as a quarterback. Now, I know people, hey, you be yourself, you can't be yourself. Yeah. I mean, well, no, not at that position. At that position, you can't be yourself.

Now, you're a receiver. You could be yourself. Xavier Woods also talked about it today. We also told him, where's a hard to come by in this league? You celebrate all of it. no matter who it is or who is against, you celebrate all wins.

There's no such thing as a sorry win. A win is a win at the end of the day. That's two teammates and his coach. Hey, whether you win ugly or whether you win pretty. The goal is the end of the day is the win. And they haven't won much this year. So. That's it.

That's it. That's it, Ocho. Look, like I said, if I could give him any advice and he probably don't want any advice, I said, Kim, you have to be very meticulous with your words. Ooh, that's another big word, huh? Wait, he had to be very what? Meticulous with your words. Because what you fail to realize is that you, everybody is listening to what you say.

They listen to how you say it. They listen to the tone. they listen to the voice inflection they're listening for the cadence of what you say that's a part about speaking see people think a lot of people can talk

very few people can speak there's a difference between the two don't let that go over your head I like that's a good one right there that's a good one knowing what to say knowing how to say it knowing when to say it

knowing when to say it knowing what to say and where and who is in the presence but like I said he's young he's young but you have to you know I know it's boring man I want to be I get I get boring but but when you're in that position it's okay to be boring. It's really okay to be boring. Mm-hmm. Let your play be extravagant.

Let your play be flamboyant. You? Right here. Man, I'm enjoying this one. It's been a long time, man. It's been a long time since the locker room has been exuberant to be excited. You see how these guys are behaving? Hold on, witness.

Since the locker room been what? Bake it out of here. Hey, oh, oh, well, you've been in your bag tonight, boy, meticulous, exuberant. Copious. Let me write this shit down. Hold on. Uh, but it's going to be, like I said, he'll learn. He'll learn.

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