Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Ernest Jones LETS LOOSE at Seahawks Super Bowl PARADE + Joey Porter Jr. RIPS Ben Rothlisberger + Shams RELEASES SUSPENSIONS for Pistons & Hornets + Warriors PETTY RELATIONSHIP with Kuminga

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks parade and Ernest Jones speech to the crowd, Joey Porter rips Ben Rothlisberger for being a bad teammate, and the suspensions for players from the Pistons Hornets fight are reported and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 03:31 - Seahawks Parade20:09 - Joey Porter Sr Rips Ben Roethlisberger38:37 - Shams released suspensions for Pistons-Hornets fight53:59 - Bill Simmons speaks on the state of the NBA and Adam Silver’s leadership1:04:35 Kuminga’s family taking too much food (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the third member of the Big Three that will be joining us on Wednesday and Thursday night. y'all know him university of arkansas alum little rock arkansas native a seven-time NBA all-star for the Atlanta Hawks and he's nominated for the basketball hall of fame here he is ISO Joe Johnson Joe what he do man we're good we're good we missed you died in debate I see man I look like y'all had a hell yeah you know time was had a time was had yeah yeah yeah Joe hey Joe you missed it Joe we had a good old time I see I see oh Joe okay okay yeah yeah yeah I'm I was out there dabbling and dabbling. Oh, okay.

Can you imagine if the Super Bowl was in Houston? Oh. Hey, um, how about, can you imagine the Super Bowl was in Houston, Miami or Atlanta? No, it could, I was in Atlanta in 2019, 2020. I happen to be here. I've been in the LA. How was the atmosphere? Let's move on.

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I'm probably the last person they should have gave it to Mike to. But we're going to turn up, man. First off, I want to say shout out to Jody Allen, shout out to John Snyder, for making this all possible, man. Shout out to Coach Mike McDonough for helping us get to this point. Man, but also shout out to these bad ass motherfuckers who play this game the right way. Not only do we have the best defense in the world, we got the best team in the world, and quite frankly, if you got anything to say by my quarterback, you got anything to say by my defense, you got anything

to say by my defense, you got anything to say for my own line, and you got anything to say by the city of Seattle, I got two words for you. Fuck you. Damn. Well, he told you as soon as he got the mic, he's probably the last person you should have given the mic. And he did not disappoint the adulation, the excitement.

I mean, you know, they brought a world championship and they did it in dominating fashion. That defense was sensational. throughout the playoffs. Yeah, they bend a little bit against the Rams guys. You know, Matthew Stafford had a night of nights, but Matthew Stafford won the MVP for a reason. So we can expect them to have those type of nights.

But in the Super Bowl, that defense was dominating. Ocho, do you like, did you like what Ernest Jones DeForth had to say? I mean, hey, listen, O'Kunk, I absolutely love it. You know, all the hard work they put in, obviously, reaching the Super Bowl, all the talk about Sam Donald and the stuff that, you know, they had to say, any of the naysayers that doubted the Seattle Seahawks, It's okay. You won a Super Bowl.

It's one opportunity you have a chance to celebrate and talk a little trash behind it because now you have that ring, you have that trophy, so why not? It doesn't happen often, and there's no guarantee that you get back there. So I'm all for it. I'm all for it. Joe? Hey, yeah, I'm with Ocho. You know, you reach the top.

I mean, we play this game obviously to compete, but, you know, we also want to win championships as well. He got his opportunity to shine. Hey, let him get it off his chest, man. right? Let them know how you feel, baby. John Snyder is right and Mike Bittal like, uh, maybe, maybe a little less. But I get it, but like I said, Ocho is so much excitement. And he's been through this before.

He won it with the Rams. And so, you know, here he is. He changed teams in the division, got traded to Tennessee. Tennessee trades him to the, to the Seahawks. And he's one of those guys that led spearheaded that defense. But this was a total team effort. You look at the special teams. Look at the kicker.

Five field, 17 points. Five field goes two pre-18s. Look at the punter. How many times he kept him pinned down, pinned back? Rashid Shaheed did not have a big return game, but guess what he didn't do, Ocho, put the ball on the dirt. So when they say total team victory, that's what it was. They ran the ball well.

They threw the ball effectively. Sam Donald didn't put the ball in harm's way. That first or third downplay, I thought Jones got a great jump, but he wrong-handed. Probably should have did this, of that because you get more extension like this than you can like that. But all that being said, I thought as a team aspect, special teams, defense and offense, I thought they played a complete game.

Obviously, the offense wasn't as dominating as it was against San Francisco. But man, that's an unbelievable feeling. And for a lot of those guys, look at the shirt, he got Sam Donald with a cigarette in his mouth, flipping people off. But that's what you have. You want to, and we're going to talk about this. Yeah. You see what, how guys support you when you are a good teammate?

Man. You heard what he said when they lost to the ramp and he said, look, if y'all don't rock with a quarterback, he said the reason why we're in damn to every game is because of the quarterback. And now he has a mishap. He doesn't play as well as we're used to seeing it. Now y'all want to beat him up. F y'all.

He said that way. way back win. Now Sam Donald's like, okay, now look at me. I'm at the top of the mountain. I'm at the top of the mountain. I'm sitting pretty. A lot of teams gave up on me, but he said something, Sam Donald said something very interesting.

He said, I appreciate you guys believing in me because, okay, you remember the last game of the season and then the, and then the playoffs, he didn't look good. And maybe that scared Minnesota off, that didn't scare, that didn't scare Seattle off because John Snyder and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, what with the what we have assembled here. Yes.

We get a quarterback. We can, we can go far. We can go really, really far. Go ahead, Ocho. Now, I'm going to say,

what Minnesota saw, it shouldn't have scared them off. It shouldn't have scared them off. I mean, it's ridiculous because now look where they are. Again, I'll say it again. Minnesota is in quarterback purgatory because you don't know where you're going to go

or what you're going to do from now on. Okay, maybe Jay-Cy McCarthy comes back, any, any somewhat half of what Sam Donald was before. he left Minnesota. But as of right now, everything is up in the air.

Maybe Kirk Cousin come back and save you if J.J. McCarthy doesn't play up the par and that offense stalls the way it is. But Sam Donald Ongt, in certain conversations, now because he's won a Super Bowl trophy, he's going to go into the conversations with some of the quarterbacks

that we talk about all the time that haven't won one yet. Some of the greats. I'm not saying he's one of the best in the game, but he has that ring. So therefore, that catapults him in the conversations of the Lamar Jackson, the Joe Burroughs,

the Josh Allen's, and the Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. But it also goes to show you situations, sometimes being in the right situation at the right time. I'm not one of those guys on Joe, and I've never been one of those guys, and Joe, let me know what you think. Because a lot of times what people try to do,

you win a Super Bowl, and then they say, well, you better than that guy. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, and they never said he was a top 10 quarterback. Trent Deerfer won a Super Bowl, and they never said he was a top 10 quarterback. Guys win championships, and they never say they're top 10 NBA players.

So we got to be careful. Let's look at a total body of work over an extended period of time before we start arbitrarily just try to put somebody in that bracket because they want to sue. Go ahead. Take our vote, Joe. And one thing, Joe, one thing I do want to say, Unk, I want to clarify that too. Now, if you take a, let's say you talk about the court, that's right?

I'm not saying Sam Donner was better than those top three of those top four, top five. I'm just saying the fact that his name is in the conversations because he's won a Super Bowl. But if you're taking a choice and you're starting a team, you had Sam Donald, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. I'm sure everyone is going to decipher. Yeah, Sam Donald's not going before any of those guys. Exactly. So I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying his name needs to come up in the conversations going into next year when we talk about some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. And I think it will. I think it will. Joe, what do you think about that? Because we've seen that in the NBA's, guys win a championship. And the first thing they say, well, he's better than this guy that's never won a championship. No, that is a team victory.

We can say for a moment he had an unbelievable. But I'm not one of these guys because you won a championship. Now all of a sudden, I'm thinking you are Pantheon great. Yeah, it's like we're prisoners of the moment. Okay, Ojo. You know, what's going on right now, right now in time is what we stuck on. So Seahawks won the Super Bowl, Sam Donald got a ring, and now that's all everybody's talking about.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So, but yeah, I'm with you. It's like, you know, you got to give it an extended period of time, and then you can really gauge on how a greater person is. You know what I mean? We all can have one great year. You know what I mean?

Two pretty good years, but let's see if he can sustain and put together, you know, a few great years like that. That's what, you know, enhances your greatness. And I think the thing is, is quarterback is the only position we do that with. Because a DB wins a Super Bowl. Ain't nobody saying, well, he's better than this. He's better than that.

A defensive lineman win the Super Bowl, a linebacker win the Super Bowl. That's not what we do. Now, if they're already on the cusp, now Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, now they were to win a Super Bowl. Now we're going to really have a half to have a real, real, real discussion. Because now you're talking about Lamar that's one of them BP, two of them, Josh Allen that's one of MVP. And now you're talking about we're going to attach a Super Bowl to it.

And a whole lot of guys that can say that. So with that being said, I just like to be patient when we start throwing things around. And Sam Donald had an unbelievable season. We are not trying to take that away. But we need to be careful because I'm sure nobody is saying, give me Brad Johnson over Dan Marino. Give me Trent Deer for over Dan Marino. Give me some of these other quarterbacks that's won a Super Bowl over Dan Marino.

So let's just be careful. He should enjoy this. They should redo his contract. They should redo his contract, what he signed for? He signed three years like $100, $105 million, but he made $4 million dollars in incentives. A million dollars for the Super Bowl, $500,000, AFC championship,

$500,000 for the divisional, $500,000 for, you know, making the Pro Bowl and things. So he made $4 million just in incentives. Hey, so listen, when you're not playing up the part of your contract and they want to restructure it then, And so can you come in and renegotiate when you just won a Super Bowl? You're like, hold on, this ain't good enough for me.

Normally they do that for the quarterbacks. They're not a whole lot of positions that they're willing to do that for. But the quarterback is the one position that they're normally willing to do that for. We see that a lot with Patrick Mahomes because it seems like every year, Ocho, they tear his contract up. Give him more care of tea, but he's taking less money. Because Patrick Mahoney, when he signed that 10-year, what was Ocho, $450 million deal? it was in $500 million. It was at a discount.

But he knows basically like the day after the season, they've got to guarantee the contract for next year. So he's like, I'm cool. And plus he understands like the Tom Brady. Tom's like, look, yeah, I could be the highest pay, but at what expense? Because I'm trying to collect rings.

And the best way to collect that is to have money so I can keep a Travis Kelsey. I can keep a Chris Jones. I can keep a Trump. I can keep some of these guys in order to build out my roster. And so we're not so top heavy. We're paying a handful of guys and we're not able to build a complete roster. But what Sam Donald has been able to do, the turnaround that he's enjoyed,

I don't know. In my time of really falling the NFL basically since about 76, 76, 77, I've never seen a story like this. I've never seen a guy. I mean, he was basically a reclamation project, Ocho. He was on the trash heap. The Jets got rid of him after three years. Carolina got rid of him

and he goes to he goes to San Fran for a year and think about what he said. He said, I learned a lot in San Francisco. I learned a lot in San Francisco. Then he goes to Minnesota, parlay's that, goes 14 and 3. That's what I tell guys, Joe.

I tell you guys, oh Joe, you know I've said this. The team that you're playing for, they're not the only one to pay players. You're auditioning for the other 31 teams. Yes, sir. And I need guys to understand that. Well, oh, man. So it's just like if you're a young lady or a young guy.

Your girlfriend ain't the only one that got eyes. Your guy ain't the only one that got eyes. And just because they might not want to be with you or what might want to be in this relationship long term, that doesn't mean somebody else won't. Yeah. And so I just need more guys to think about that because sometimes they get caught up in the thing

it's to end all, be all where I'm at. And it's not. All 32 teams pay. all 32 teams have a scouting department and they watch tape and that tape don't lie man when you put that tape in that tape don't know what position you play

it don't know how much money you make and it doesn't know where you came from all it does is record what it sees Ocho so what you put on tape that's your resume that's who you are yeah you know to me obviously I'm not sure we're down with Sam Donald ranks

as far as pay goes but after winning in Super Bowl, I would love for them to give him some of the pay raise. But yeah, not a pay raise where depletes being able to sign other players. I think Tyreek willing is up. I think there's some other. I don't think he comes back, Ocho. He's going to get too much money. And you got Spoon.

What are you going to do with Spoon? What are you going to do with JSCN? Ooh. You know, JSC, you know, JSC is his third year, Ocho. He just finished his third year. It's his third year. So they want to do it now this off season. Spoon.

You know, Spoon. If I'm not mistaken, I think spoon came in together, didn't he? Yeah, Devin, Devin Witherspoon might be, might be up to you. So you have to take care of them. Tyreege Willing, you're fitting to hit him across the head on the market. He's going to hit him across the head on the off market. Outside that, I mean, just give him, I understand, just looking at Sam Donald and understanding the situation that he's in and the fact that he has competent, a competent organization around him, a competent GM,

they're going to continue to build and put pieces around him. his ceiling is extremely high. And he's young. His ceiling is extremely very, yeah, yeah, he's young. He's fairly young. So I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the Seahawks. They found their quarterback of the future.

All they have to do now is continue to put pieces around them. As long as he stays injury free, damn Seahawks are always going to be competing coming out to NFC. Hey, but y'all know, y'all know the more you win now, the more money you got to spend. It is. And the more people, they come, think about it. You already lost your offensive coordinator.

He's gone. Just like that, Ocho. Yeah. No, when you win, everybody wants winners. So they come rid of your handhouse to get your chicken that's laying golden eggs. That's how it works. So you start to lose a lot of players. The more you win, the more they rob you.

Now, Will and I will say this, he gets lazy sometime. He got beat for a touchdown because he got lazy. He got lined up late, didn't he, Ocho? And then he bulljab and then he realized it, Mac, Mac, was already buying. Yeah. You cannot have a lap. The man that hesitated,

I had a coach tell me this. He said, the man to hesitate is beat. In the NFL and Joe, you know this in basketball. If you hesitate on you, you beat. Because the margin is so small.

So small in order to win. Go ahead. I'm going to tell you, Hey, Joe, there's a reason why in football they call it it is a game of inches. But that's all it takes. Joe, one mistake.

False step. One mishap, one false step, one hesitation, and you beat. And you think about the NFL, I'm speaking from a receiver standpoint and a DB standpoint. Like, Joe, wide open is this. This is wide open. Yeah. Joe, I swear for God, this is wide open. So most of the time, quarterbacks have to throw players open, you know,

and sometimes you see busted coverage or stuff like that. But understanding when people say it's a game of vengeance, it's simply that. And most of the time, it comes down to, three, maybe four plays at a out of 70 plays and four quarters, that makes the difference. If you between the man of the ball, that's open. Yep, basically. So if the DB on my hip, Joe, I'm open.

Yeah. If he's right here and I'm here, I'm open. This is college, what you're going to Scott three and you five, six, you know, unless it's a busted coverage, that ain't happening. That's about the only time. That ain't happening. Yeah, it's about the only time.

And Joe, there's a few receivers. Joe. Yeah. There's a few, and I'm talking about a handful, maybe two or three, that can create that kind of separation where it's like, well, God damn, he wide open. Now, it ain't too many. I'm talking off the muscle, Joe. You know how you got you call for ISO?

Yeah, yeah. I don't want no help. Right. And every time you're going to give him that work. Josie, I want that one four. Give me that one four. Now I go on. Get out of here.

Scaram, get down. Come on. Back up. Shoot. Hey, I don't need the offensive coordinator help. Hey, I don't need you to put me in motion. I don't need to condense my split. Line me up to y'all's outside the numbers.

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Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Joy Porter Sr. Had a lot to say about Big Ben Rothertsburgh on Cam Hayward's podcast. Let's take a listen, Ocho and Joe, what he had to say. He broke the brotherhood, then seven definitely broke the brotherhood because, like,

that's the one I don't understand as much. The shit the seven do that did that we don't talk about is crazy. Like, like, out of anybody should talk, he should never grab a microphone and really talk still a business. Because if we talk in Stiller Business, his ass is foul of all foul. Like the shit that he's did is foul of all file. He's not a good teammate. One of Super Bowl, Woody.

But the person, he's just not a good teammate. he knows that. Anybody in the Steelers building knows that. But we protected him because I've only won one Super Bowl and that was my quarterback. So do I love my quarterback? Yeah, but is he a good person? No. Hmm. Hey, um, what's going on over there? Uh, they, they need to have a, they need to call a meeting or something. Uh, something, uh, coming to, come in a God moment. This, this is the, listen, obviously we heard Debo in his frustrations when the Steelers weren't playing well and he voiced his frustration with Mike Tomlin. We've heard other players.

We heard Ben Rostersberger be, he chastised Mike Tomlin as well. And now Joy Porter, senior coming to the defense of Mike Tomlin saying, well, hell, Ben wasn't a great, great teammate. And there are things that happened. There were skeletons in the closet and we didn't let anybody know. And it's getting ugly over that joke.

No, they didn't. Not that they didn't let anybody know. They didn't talk about it because, Ocho, it's going to be tough for Ben to get in on the first ballot. But there's a lot, I'm telling you. Everybody knew some of the things that were going on that didn't get reported. Me, I'm not an insider. I ain't looking to put nobody personal business on blame.

Hold on. You knew? Well, what the hell I'm in that? Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. So I just think the thing is, it's like, look, I've only had a small interaction with Ben. I made him in his rookie season. He, my brother and I had an appearance. on Amelia Island, if I'm not mistaken,

the Super Bowl was in Jacksonville that year. With that being said, I'm not surprised. And if you go back and look, one of the first guys that commented under what he said was Mason Rudolph. And then he had a big bullseye. There's right there for you, Joe.

What's going on? Hey, hey, Rudolph was, he was back up. Go off Joe. Hey, Mason Rudolph said, go on Joe in Port of 55. Bullseye. I'm a Mike, Peezy talking that talk

Mike Adams A.N. Hold them boys accountable. Being talking ish about anybody is comical. Well, hold on. Wait a minute. All the Steelers players know what's going on. Is it that bad? I'm not asking, you know, to put his business out there, but is it that bad? Scale of 1 to 10.

Remember halftime when we play the Steelers and nobody knows about what happened with me? So scale of 10, you understand how bad that was, right? skeleton is it worse than that? I think the thing is, Ocho, is that there is a culmination. And look, and I think we've all, Joe,

I think you could attest to this. We've been with guys that were great teammates, but not good people. Yes. We've been with guys that were not good people, but were great teammates. What Joy is saying, he is a combination.

He wasn't a good person or good teammate. Well, goddamn. If that's what I, that's what I deduce from what he was saying. and and and and and and for your look and and most of the time publicly even if you if you're the worst of the worst your teammates will come to your defense because that's what you're supposed to do and you see for the longest time they did that until he broke the cold by coming out of Mike Tomlin and Peasy was like hold on bro you should be the last one to talk about anybody right in Pittsburgh

unless you want to talk about your business. And so that, that, that is the problem that you run into. And this is what I tell guys from the outside. You guys know this. We're with these people eight, nine hours a day, six months out of the year. We know them better than any reporter. We know them damn they're better than their own family. So when they be saying all that other stuff and this and that and fans,

we talk about, oh, you don't know. No, you don't know. We know what the hell we do. We know what the hell we're talking about because we see them in ways and through a lens. You don't. So when fans keep talking about, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't know, you don't know. All you do is see their representative that they want you to see and how they conduct themselves. Go ahead, Joe.

Yeah. See, hey, Joe, you see how everyone is somewhat camouflaged and they're representative. They, they, they, they perceive to be someone else in front of. the camera. Yeah. That's why I was one way all the time. There's really nothing you could say, Joe. Would you get on the show right now, Joe? Yeah. That's the same thing you got on the field. I mean, hell, you know, you had to deal with me, talk about me from time to time. And would you see the same fun, loving, entertaining, same way I was in the locker room. Now, I mean, I was late. I had an incident, Joe. I could tell you, Joe, I mean, it's long gone. We're playing

to steal as one game, Joe. Carson got hurt towards ACA. That playoff game. I had a that information, but I let it slide on Joe. I had that information. Yeah, yeah, you let it slide. You let it slide. Joe, he let it slide, right? This is my only asshole. Come in an asshole moment.

It's hard time, Joe. I'm getting the IV. Joe, we come in, I'm hot because Carson goes down. Why are we not include me in the offense? Why are we allowing the Steelers to dictate what we doing in a playoff game, a game of this importance? Yeah. Joe, I lost it, Joe.

I snatched the IV out in my hand. I come out the room, blood flying everywhere, Joe. Joe, I lost it. I swear for God. I swear to God, I lost it. And I came out, and I'm fussing, and I'm not screaming at anybody directly. I'm just snapping in general.

Man, get me the fucking ball. Keep me the ball. It's not that hard. I can do whatever you want to do. Just give me the ball. Muckin, shut up. Nigger Hugh Jackson came over. Nigel Hugh does show me out.

You were to choke me out. This is how Ocho was. When Ocho got upset, Shue was the guy that got all the vintom. That was, he was, he was the pincushion that Ocho put, because Hugh knew how to, he knew how to relate, he knew how to deal with Ocho. So Ocho, all of us, Ocho's frustration,

even though he was talking, it was Hugh, that could get Ocho off the cliff. But we, I had that information. I say, you know what? And I'm sure they would love, love for me to, but no, not, we good. That ain't my job. Now, if somebody else gave it, we were going to have to talk about it. But I was like, nah, I ain't talking about that.

And especially with something of that magnitude, when they're trying to make somebody like, us look bad, I ain't going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I ain't going to even hold you. But there are a lot of stuff when you, when you, when you, in the line of business that we were, that I was in working with CBS, working with undisputed. People were.

and tell me, hey, check this out, you ain't here for me, put it in your words. I was like, man, if I were to say this, they're going to know exactly this came, this came, came from inside the locker room. How else would somebody know that? And I'm trying to put nobody out there like that. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, I would hurry, Joe. Hey, I mean, I had the needle in my arm.

Joe, I ain't even care. I just, I just snatched it out. I'm like, no, we are not letting any people come in our house. and dictate what we do offensively. Are we even trying to win? I'm like, come on, man. Okay, Carson is down. John Kittner comes in the game.

That shouldn't stop anything we're trying to do offensively. And it's like, I mean, what are we doing? And I was hurt, Joe. I was hurt because I understood how difficult it was for us to even get to this point. And competing. Competing, boy, they bring it out of you, may. Bring that fire out of you. Hey, look.

You'd be like me when we was in New York. You see red and you just go off. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you went off before? Yeah, I'm saying, I know what you mean. You know, you want that ball. You want to, hey, hey, man. Bring that ball over here and stop playing.

Oh, man. It is tough because they shielded Ben, but a lot of things. And a lot of stuff that was going on, they knew. And some, a lot of, a lot of, look, if you got a great rapport with a reporter, they'll catch and kill a lot of stuff that won't make it. A lot of stuff.

If you ingratiate yourself in the city, you ain't going to get no trouble. The cops will drive you home. Yeah. Want to get in your car, drive your car home, you get the police car, they drive you to where you going, park your car and get back and get gone.

Yeah. If you ingratiate yourself in the city, if you're not a dick or you know what, that's how they treat you. I'm not telling what somebody told you. I'm telling what I know. Yeah. So when I talk to you, chat, when I talk to y'all,

when y'all hear Ocho and I, and I know y'all think Ocho joke a lot. But when I talk to you, I'm not telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know with firsthand knowledge. Yeah. I just don't do it. I don't like to say, well,

I'm not going to tell you where I got it from, but a lot of people still call me. I'm still him. Yeah. Yeah, I feel on some hard. Hey, hey, hey, pop it, pop it. Pop it, pop it, pop it. Let them know here.

Yeah, okay. All right. Hey, hey, I'm telling you, I still have great relationships with teams. A lot of my coaches and a lot of people that was in front office that bounced around. So you do realize like a treat, like Sean McVeigh. So if I had a relationship with Sean McVeigh and all these other guys that bounced around, therefore, guess what? You got a relationship with all those other guys.

They're going to trust you. Yes. Kyle Shanahan had the same way. So if there's anything that I wanted to know, y'all don't really think I could find out. Right. Damn, man. Joe, you have a snap before, Joe? Uh, I probably had some heated moments.

Yeah. So y'all let you know, in the, in the, in the, in the, in them playoff moments, bro, it's like, you're out there fighting, trying to do whatever you can just to get a win. And, you know, in basketball, it's a seven-games series. Yeah. It ain't like, yeah, we can be better than them for a game or two. But seven games, bro, the best team normally going to win. So you definitely going to have some frustrating moments, bro. Because look, at some point, Uncle Ocho, y'all know this.

In basketball, we know all your plays you're going to run. We know what you're trying to do and how you're trying to do it. Right. Now it's your will against my will, you know what I mean? So it's a little different. Yeah, it's. It's tough, it's tough. But I don't get it, Ocho.

I don't. And I know there are times that, look, I've always, Joe, and you know this, Ocho, they're bringing guys in. I don't care how many pro-bowls, they're going to bring receivers in, they're constantly looking to replace you. That's just the nature of the beast. But I know he can't beat me for this job.

Right. Now, if you go ahead and move me all out the way, well, you ain't got to worry, he ain't got to worry about nothing. But just beat me, says, okay, this job is up for grab. May the best man win. Well, I guess I was the best man because I'm going to win. It's really that simple.

But I've always, because I looked at it like this, guys, if I got hurt, I was a horrible teammate. I was a horrible leader. If I had not prepared that guy to go out there and help this team win, I was selfish. I'm withholding information from him that can help him get better. that would end in then and then turn around and help the team. So that's why I always put my arms around a guy.

And the guys will tell you, hey, man, man, oh, hell, but they call me sharp or they call me shade. And so that means a lot to me. That means a lot. Because I wasn't concerned about somebody, man, you know they brought him in to replace. Okay, hell, I replace somebody. It's a circle.

That's what happens. But I've always, I've always, I've always really guys tried to be a good teammate. I've always, was I selfish early in my career? Probably when I was in, I was even a good teammate in high school and college, but I wanted to win so bad and I thought that it was all about me. And as I got older and I realized what it took in order to win,

that they needed, there were some other guys, there were some other me guys that was just as good as Shannon Sharp and that could help this team win also. But I'm telling the guys, hey, you come in a huddle, you with me, you're tight in. Hey, the receiver, you know what you got? You're the hot now. Hey, they bring, hey, they bring two. We got it picked up if they bring one.

But if they bring two, you're hot. You good? Yeah, I'm good. You know what you got? You got the dig. Oh, if it's covered two, get up the rail because I'm getting down the hole. I'm constantly telling guys what they got. I just, that's just the way I am, man.

I just, I wanted to win. I wanted to help the guys win. I'm holding information. I know he don't know what to do. It ain't my fault. Then he go out there and blow the assignment. We throw a pick. Who did that hell?

We lose as a team. Oh, he lost. Yeah. No, we lost. That's just the way I am. But I've always tried to be a good teammate. I've tried to be a good person. And sometimes the two things can be true.

You can be a good teammate and a crappy person. You could be a crappy person and a good teammate. hopefully more time than not you like to see guys a little bit both yeah be old LFL both but yeah it is what it is that's red or you know to have to have to have the leader of your team be both yeah you know you you probably get one but when you got your teammates coming out saying stuff about you bro i mean it says it says a lot about you know the love respect and admiration that they have for mike tomlin yes yes you know what i mean so i i can appreciate that bro, you know, they ain't going to just let you just say anything now.

And a part of me get, because I think the thing is that kind of like Debo is that the last year that he and Mike didn't see eye to eye and they ended up releasing him and things of that nature, even though the Broncos didn't resign me, I never said anything bad about Mike. Right. I didn't. Okay. You feel, you know, you ain't got no use for a seven-time pro bowl or five-time all-pro.

you ain't got no use for him. Okay. Got to help you win two super, but you ain't got no use for him. You believe the guy that you got on the roster or you could draft somebody that's better. Okay, fine. I appreciate the opportunity.

I appreciate you coming in, and this offense is very, very tight and friendly. I appreciate that. But it meant a lot for me that when I came back here and I had a conversation and even say I was wrong.

Because a lot of times, Ocho, they just base everything on what they see on the field. They don't see the practice. They don't see the bus rise. They don't see the locker room. And they don't see what you did in those spaces that cause you to be successful on the field.

Yeah. That's the fun right down. So now all of a sudden, you find yourself people in your office every day. Stuff that you never had to worry about when they four was in the locker room. Oh. That's what it means a lot.

And my teammates, they vouched for me. Yeah. Yeah, they make jokes talking about Lazarus. talking about Lazarus, they say, ain't nobody risen from the day or more than you, but Lazarus. That's what the office of Labrower used to call me, Lazarus, Ocho.

Lasz. Because I would got me, look, Andy Wobbling ankles, man, you know back then, Ocho, people hit drop you damn in every play. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't, no, no penalty for the hip drop and cowboy calling all that stuff.

Mm-hmm. Ooh, you gotta learn to learn to roll with it. Yes. Yes. But I don't know in a situation like this, I don't know if I'm Ben, I'm not responding. Just let it go, Ochoa. It'll die down.

Being a quarterback, I don't think it's Ben. It's not in Ben's character probably to be confrontational, especially publicly. It says a lot about Mike Tomlin for some of the players like Joy Porter Sr. to be coming to his defense and what former players are saying, like y'all got your nerve. Y'all got your nerve to say anything about Mike Tomlin

when he's part of the reason for your success when you were there. So sometimes as players, you forget about that because it's in the past. You've got all that a coach is done for you while you were there. And a part of this, I don't know by Ben would ever say anything negative about Coach Tomlin because it was Coach Tomlin that really harmed his own tenure in Pittsburgh by not getting the damn replacement.

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Oh, Joe, Joe, this is right up your alley. Shams released a suspension for the Pistons Hornets fights. Isaiah Stewart, seven games, mild bridges, four games, the Abate, four games, Jalen Durdon, two games. Joe, I'm going to let you go first, but I am shocked that Isaiah Stewart only got seven games. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah, uh, they was. they was very generous with Stewart because he's a repeat offender. Okay, Ocho.

He's known for, you know, having violent acts on the court, bro. This ain't what we're trying to endorse. You know what I mean? Plus, he came off the fence. So I expected him to get the most, but I expected him to, I thought he was going to get more than seven games, me and myself. And it just kind of escalated.

I thought I knew Miles Bridges was going to get a nice, you know, a few games. What's the young kid name right here? Masa? Yeah, Masa. Diabate. I feel like, you know, honestly, Uncle Ocho, I wouldn't have been mad if Duran didn't get no game suspended

because, you know, he wasn't an attitude, bro. Man, Joe, he put the man to the Baron Barron Barrett. That's, hey, that man, he in my personal space. He's the headbutted me. We didn't touch forehead to forehead. Yeah, that's too much. I'm gonna get your little, you all right? going to mush the bag.

Right. A little mush, too. What are you supposed to do? See, uh, you could look, look, put that bow over his heel on him.

You, who putt up with that cocoa. Yeah, you subject, yeah, that's what I'm saying, you're subject to get head, buddy out there playing,

so you got to always protect yourself. But I thought Stu was going to get, I thought he'd get my, I thought, given his history, I thought he'd probably get somewhere between 10 and 15.

Yeah, I said at least 10. what I was thinking, at least 10. At least 10. You know what I was disappointed in? I was disappointed in hearing some of the people that cover the NBA talk about, they didn't have a problem with this until you get a situation like malice in the palace. Well, it wasn't going to be that.

You don't know. You didn't think the malice in the palace in the palace was going to be that. You didn't think Kermit, Washington situation was going to be that. Guys, this is not a good look for the league. This is why they got away from all that in the 80s and 90. David Stern went playing this. He's okay, you want to fight? Okay, don't worry about it.

Now, if you really want to fight, join the military because they're looking for a few good men and women. Yeah. But you're not going to do that here. Yeah. It's a bad look on the game. And to say, I don't have a problem with this. No, no, no, no.

And Stu B. That's not what they brought you to Detroit for. I understand. I understand, look, the bad boy pistons, and y'all want to relive what Isaiah and John Salon and Mahorn and Lambere and all those. Rodman, but that's a different time. That was, David Stern cleaned that up.

He said, nah, in order for us to get to where we need to be, because all that fighting, Joe, you weren't going to be getting on 40 and 50 and $60 million a year contracts. Not with all that. What? No, no, no. I'm with you. You know, Stu, Big Stewart, he's a muscle over there.

So I felt, you know, he probably felt he had to come to their defense. But, man, you got to have, you got to control your emotion. to have control rage. You know what I mean? And too many times, you know, he didn't let his emotions get the best of them. So I knew that, I mean, right, for real, honestly, Uncle Ocho, this really like a little slap on the wrist if you ask me, some games ain't nothing. Yeah.

Look, I honestly, I think the pistons rally around this, because I still think they're going to be, they're going to be right there to come out to east, man. I got, hey, but they're going to rally around this. I think I think Stuart was an overreaction and Duncan Robinson was an underreaction because I'm going to have a conversation with him and I say, bro, look here, you just grab somebody even if even if you fake, hey, hey, hey, come on,

man, come on, hey, come on, Ocho, man, come on, right. Right. But for you to just walk away and we, and we tussling? Yeah. Don't make, don't make me talk about you in the locker room now. You got, oh, you got to make up your mind.

No, no, no, no. Robinson, wait. But then you say you don't want them fight. I didn't say fight. He can't pretend. He can be a peacemaker. He said he's going to be peacemaker. Come on, man.

We ain't tried to do the up on over here. How many times we don't been on the field and we've done that? How many times and scrimmages, especially when you scrimmage other teams and you know emotions are high. Ain't no really basically just the camera. Ain't no fans. Just the fans line and the thing. Hey, come on.

Hey, man. Come on, Joe, man. What's wrong with you? Right. That is too. out here be exerting all this energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't saying swing on somebody, but I'm just saying, like I said, hey, well, come

man, you know goodwill. Right. And I mean, I feel you. I feel you. I mean, I think obviously suspensions were slap on the wrist, understanding that emotions are high, especially when you're competing, you know, at the highest level. And, I mean, it happens. It happens at the time.

And it doesn't happen often in NBA, most of the time, the most we get is we see shoving, outside of shoving. You never see it come to blows like it did did that day. And I mean, it's... Hey, man, listen. Hey, Joe, I got a question, Joe. What's up?

NBA viewership might... It was down a little bit, wasn't it? I think, I don't know. I'm not sure. It probably has been. NBA viewership, was it down a little bit? Well, I think the thing is that might have something to do with, hell, you don't know where to find it.

It might be on peacock. It might be on NBC. Right. It might be on EFPN. It might be on Amazon. It's kind of, it's not centralized like it wants to be. I tell you what. You got to have these plans to make money.

Go ahead, Joe. Yeah, I'll tell you what, Uncle Joe. What's that? You get a few more goddamn scuffers like this. I'm telling you, boy, you get a whole bunch of people tuning in now. Yeah. That's a little get a whole lot of spot. Jumping off, though.

Right. Hey, look, but this is why you see it everywhere too, though. Like, they don't condone it, but, you know, they're going to put it out there and bring eyes to it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. You know, people love drama. They do. It makes it exciting. It makes it exciting. Listen, I'm still trying to understand the unwritten rule when it comes to hockey. You know, I mean, it's an unwritten rule. I mean, you got to know, they give each other a sign.

And listen, you know, hockey hazards and forces, NBA has its enforcers. Most of the time, they conduct themselves on the paint, on the hardwood. And it just, listen, the boy got to control their emotion, man. Yeah, it is. I mean, like I said, man, look, in basketball, that's real money. I mean, you talk about seven games. I don't know what Stewart's making. But, hey, it's going to probably be like,

probably be almost a million, if not more. Yeah. I ain't got tired. Man, it's hot out there. I mean, I see them guys be tussling and training cab Ocho. It's hot. And the first thing, Mike, say, I guess I ain't practicing y'all harder.

Come on, man, damn. Now, you, I mean, you're about to tussle. We already been out of this hot-assette is 100 degrees. We already been out of here. Joe and Ocho, you know, an hour. And he told me, I guess I ain't practicing y'all hard enough. Okay. Hey, you know what?

Hey, Joe, you notice, and the people watching the chat, you all can have tested this too, because I'm sure you all see it. Every joint practice during training camp, there's always a fight. You never notice that, Joe? Yeah, because you look, every training camp is always the fight in the joint practice and it's always the goddamn lineman. Yeah. The linemen, they always, they always,

going at it every time. Hey, you got all them dudes out there with their heat beating up on you too. Yeah, it's gonna be a few fires. Because what happens, Ocho, you get, because ain't no official. Remember, they ain't a whole lot of officials and they ain't throwing the flag. Yeah. They are there. Okay, you get a diamond.

He got his, he got his hand in the guy's face, man. He got a jacked up. You got the office alive. Got him jacked up. You don't got what somebody in the hell somebody. And the first day they do, they turn around, bha! Oh, man. Yeah.

Because, you know, in practice, they're gonna let a lie slide. going to let a lot of practice. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And so, and that's the thing, you know, guys used to like, you tried to break practice up, you get into it.

But they was like, uh-uh, nope. All we're going to do is just stay out here longer. Oh, my goodness. Come on, God. Damn. And like you say, Ocho, it's always the lineman. Always. Office and defense.

is alive and just somebody coming over the top with a boom. Hey, Neil Smith and I think it was Neil Smith and Kevin Goggin got into it at the Provo. And the Provo? What? About what? I thought, I thought it. I think I told him about two years ago.

Neil said, if I see it right now, Sharp, I'll fire on him. I said, come on, man. You're 60. He probably 60 too. Hey, when they were arguing about it at the promo, that's the time for, that's a joyous occasion. No it ain't. Hey, go back and look at,

man, man so hard in the back of his head. I mean, Neil drunk too. Bha! Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's some place. You'll never forget. Oh. When he said, he made it too, he was like, oh, yeah, if I see it right now,

I'll fire on it. I say, come on, Neil, man, bro, you're 60. Oh, you got no bit of fire on nobody. We didn't say that energy to get around, bro.

But it might be on the internet, YouTube. Look up Neil Smith and Kevin Gogan at the Pro Bowl. Man, Ocho, Neil jumped so high, hit that man in the back of his damn head. It's in the middle of the game? Yeah, it was like a, yeah. Yeah, Chad, y'all pull it up. I know y'all can pull it up.

Hey, he must have been going too hard then. He must have been going forward. Issaire Stewart, suspension would cost them $700, $24,000, $24,000. $138. Miles Bridges, suspension will cost him $689,665. And Jalen Duren, the suspension will cost him $89,423. And Masa will cost him $62,641. That, that, McKear, they're not even,

they mean the big money boys, huh? Ocho, this is what Draymond had to say. Draymond called NBA fans for complaining about the league assault while also wanting players to get suspended. for fighting. Pick aside, guys. Man, we can't, you can't, it ain't even nowhere in basketball you can have that. No, not that. Like, you know,

some of these dudes X out here, man, like, for real, I can't watch you. They got to really control their emotions, bro. You can't be out of here. I mean, I can understand in the midst of competition, you know, things get a little heated. It may even be some pushing back and forth, or you may bump into a guy, but come on now. Come on. Yeah. Look at those days over

The last thing I want to do Ocho If I swing somebody I'm hitting him he got a helmet on I break my hand on his face mask I break my hand on his helmet Then what I tear a ligament in my hand

Then what So who about help Nobody That's a good thing That's a good thing You know I ain't gonna talk about When I was in the whip

Nah man Now man So I was able to control my emotion Would that be Hey, look, but I don't understand that neither, okay, Ocho, especially in football, because guys be punching dudes in the helmet. I'm like, what that, what is that?

Hey, Joe, you got to go open hands sometime. You got to go like to the neck. Well, you got to the neck, and what you try to do is grab the face mask, lift, and come up under. Yeah. Hey, Joe. But these champ straps, they got not Ocho. You got these ones that they slide.

They ain't like the snapos like what we had. Yeah, they ain't going to come on, yeah. Hey, Joe, that's how I was going to do the rage, Joe. What? I remember you, oh yeah, you're feeling to get down. I remember you telling me that. Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe.

You said you waiting by the bus and everything. Boy, Joe, I were waiting on him at the locker room, boy. Joe, he got, he was going to have to see me. He was going to have to prove to me. Oh, he was going to have to show you. Oh, he was going to have to show me, Joe. Joe, we prayed before the game, Joe. We went over the scripture.

He prayed he didn't keep him in the game. That's what he's praying for. And he had the nerve to hit me like that in the game. So we need to have a conversation. Because I know the Lord ain't tell you to do that. You got to see me, Joe. Listen, when my helmet went flying, my helmet went flying by 15 yards, Joe. I ran upon him and I had to think, wait a minute, this ain't the place for that.

This ain't the place for that. So I looked at him. I said, I'm going to see you after the game. Hey, Joe, I waited at the lock. I waited at the bus. Yeah. He probably would have got out on you on their field because you ain't had no helmet on. You probably would have swung on.

He's a swung back on. Right, right, right, right. Right. Hey, listen, it was the grace of God say right that day, boy. Huh? Did you see what Miles Gad did to Mason Rudolph? Wah, wow. Hey, yeah.

And you know what? And you know who lucky, you know who lucky to? I ain't seen San Francisco. Miles lucky I ain't see him on Radio Road. Man, he in Italy with his girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, he went to support his girl. Hey, Joe, Miles, this sapsuckle, didn't give me that goddamn jersey.

23 sack jersey. Man, I told you that. But he said he were going to get to me. Well, he lied. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. He's going to, Miles Garrett, I know, I hope you see this. You're going to find out where they call me hell of hands, okay?

And, uh. Yeah, Joe, you know they called me. Hey, Joe, they call me hell of hand, Joe. Yeah, they like that? Yeah, hey, Joe, it feels like you're fighting two people, boy. It's a, I'll tell you no lie. I'm trying to think, what that, 84? When the Raiders in, um, in Kansas.

City got into it. The whole team? Man, Sean Jones took that helmet off and was swinging it. Pull it up, Chad. I think it was, I think it was 84. It might have been 84. It might have been a little later. The whole team are just two people.

It was a bunch of people. But the Raiders in Kansas City, look, Raiders, Kansas City, and the Broncos, we don't like each other. Chargers, they just happen to be in the division. Seahawks just happened to be in the division. But those three, because those were the original.

three. Yeah. Man. You had to be careful Ocho and Joe back then because they really tried to put you out the game. They would. They tried to hurt you.

Yeah, for real. Yeah. For real. Yeah. And so once I knew that, so you don't care about me feeding my family, I get less than a damn about you feeding yours. So we both would be able to be up knees. But I ain't going to be the only one. But it was, it was vicious back then.

But they cleaned it up. Bill Simmons spoke to the state of the NBA and Adam Silver's leadership. Simmons says it's the first time I've really wanted to like, do we have the right guy running this league? Because he doesn't seem interesting in fixing real problems that everybody can see. And it's like, it's not about like,

look at the NBA Cup. Your schedule is too long. You have to fix this. How many more games can players miss before they're disqualified from postseason award? Anthony Edwards can only miss, seven games. Kauai can only miss four.

Victor Wiminyama can only miss four. Steph Curry can only miss two. Nicola Yokic, Nikola, Yokic could only miss one. Janice and LeBron has already been eliminated. Man, listen. Okay, Ocho, I knew this is going to be a problem

when they implemented this, this into the NBA season where you had to play. What you had to play? How many games? 65, 65 games. Yeah. I know it's an 82 game season

that don't seem like a lot but yeah you can see it put a lot of people it put a lot of stars out of contention you know what I mean you get an injury Joe yeah you get an injury

it's a rap do you think they'll change it they're gonna change it back when is Joe that's collective bargain so when when is the new barque when is the agreement of you can't do anything now

no you I mean You can? No, not like, no. Oh, wow. It's got to be collected as bargain. It's just like the league can't go to 18 games as much as they want to. That'll be something you'd have to put to the union. So if you want to change it and say, okay, instead of 65, we'll make it 72.

So you can only miss 10 games. But the thing is that if a guy gets hurt, he's going to be out of it anyway. Yonk has got hurt. Yeah, and still got these crazy numbers. Yeah, but they put this in play because they want guys, they want to stop the tanking, I think, and they wanted guys to have to play versus all this sitting out, these national televised games, guys sitting out. They tried to put it in all that.

They did, and what, what, uh, rest? What did they call it, Ocho? I mean, Joe, when San Antonio, what did they call that? Low management, low management. Guys were low managing. national Saturday night game. They were low managing ESPN games. They were low managing T&T game.

And I said, nah, bro, people paying $15,000, $20,000 to sit courtside. They bring their family and the stars are not out. I mean, just imagine, if you went to the Lakers game last night, no Luca, no LeBron, no AR. Damn, you got to be a true fan. No, stars fell the league. That's why everybody won't want. That's why you want it.

That's why you put up with a lot of that BS, Ocho, and you give them the keys to the car because you need that. Right. And, okay, Ocho, this is why all these teams, they're talking about these teams out here tanking. They tanking because this draft class is going to be one of them ones. Yeah. They know they can get you a superstar that can put your head in the next 15, 20 years.

You got a camera. Boozer, you got DeBanzah, you got the kid from, from, um, Darren Peterson. Yeah, I don't know about him. I see a lot of red flags on Joe. Caleb Wilson. I see a lot of red flags, Joe. Because of the injury history. No, because of what, it's maybe some other, maybe, maybe that's injury, but he's done miss some time, suspension, things like that, the kid from North Carolina. I'm saying, I'm saying, because, I'm saying because, like, you know, he's, he's been out due to, like, little, my new injuries. So, you know, if you, you know, he's been great when he's

played, but he may have 22 points in one half and don't play the next. And I think on the professional level, you're thinking, man, you're going to be playing 82 games of season. Right now in college, you're only playing, what, 30, 35 games of season? That's if you go all over. You can't make it do this. You all go all the way through, Joe. Yeah, you can't make it do this.

Hey, Joe, which one is Young Bull that's from BYU? The Bonsor. AJ DeBouncer. Yeah. Yeah, he's nice. He ready. I think, okay, Ocho, you can. put him in the league right now.

Like if he was on that Mavericks team and he took Cooper Flagspot, he'd be averaging about 22, 23 a game. He good. Yeah. Carlos Boozer son. Man, he'll he a dog too. He a monster. A walking double double. Yeah.

He's ball and Cameron Boots. I like Caleb Wilson too from Carolina. North Carolina. Yeah. Hey, I don't know if you notice, but Gilson, Elijah. Game winner. So he's long ranging, can handle the ball, can score up three different levels, the mid-range, and get all the way to the rim.

He can shoot the three. He good. He really good. Yeah, he ain't got no weaknesses. He just got to stay healthy, keep, continue to get stronger. Put a little weight on. Gil, get that man the weight room. Man, yeah. Yeah, but look, Gil, okay.

Hey, you know, he just had like 29 in the game winters. Yeah, I guess, I'll guess, I'll guess, uh, Penn State. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he had that getting money. He's like a little late bloomer to the party, but, hey, look, y' y'all can't overlook my razorbacks now, you know, led by them two freshmen, Darius, Aikoff and Malik Thomas. Yeah, we got some boys over there getting money, Ocho. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we got some boys out there get money, man. These young freshmen is getting to it. Hey, we, we're on basketball time now, so, you know, I got to lock in. I'm ready to talk basketball. Yeah, Joe, I thought, I thought he was going to a Hawks game. Oh, Ma, you got to do it, tell me when you're coming down?

I mean, listen, I, I, I mean, I- Pick a game. You want to pick a game, pick a game, man. I make sure we get to put your foot on the wood, get you right. Oh, Joe, we're going to sit cross-eyed? Yeah, man, get you right. I just like the-old. Oh, you're going to come down?

Huh? You know, you get a haircut, Joe, Ocho, at the Hall's game. Ooh, they cut hair? Yeah, they got boogey in there now, Ocho. Hey, hey, Joe, but for real, we're going to be cross-eyed, though? Come on, man. Come on. Come on, let me get us right.

I'm going to have us right. Hey, Joe, you got money, Joe. Hey, you got a chill. You got a chill. I can't wait. A, when the next good game, though? We got to look at the schedule and see. Hold on.

You ain't no true fan in. Hold on. Oh, Joe, did this man not just say she a true fan when I say people play to see superstars and now he's saying win the next good game? You see that? You see that? Joe. Hold on, but you have to understand.

I'm not a basketball enthusiast. I'm still getting into the game. So I don't know anyone. I know Trey Young. I know Trey Young, but he's going to see Steph current. LeBron, Yonis, they go to see the stars. Yeah. That's why it's a star-driven league.

You won't, you need that. That's why they hold on in Atlanta, huh? I mean, I don't know if we're going to talk about. I think we're going to talk about, what's his name? The one they just traded to Atlanta from, from the warrior. Caminga. He got the people that, the reports is that his people were taking food, all the food, taking food home.

What's wrong with that? You can take food home. Not your home boys. I mean, they're going to throw the food away anyway. Oh, see, there you go. You said this man, thank you Joe. Ocho, oh, Joe, you can't, okay,

if we allow you to bring your home boys in here when it's time to eat after pre. You can't be having them in there fixing plates and all that. Come on now. Damn, what kind of is? I thought this ain't no family environment. Well, when we have family day,

first of all, since Saturday didn't have this type of setup. So y'all can take it home anyway for pizza. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. had that we cater we we don't we we cater to the players and the family members we yeah Mike Brown feed every oh but please you do realize I got no Marvin right and Marvin Mark and Marvin had to talk to Marvin Mike Brown just to get y'all decent food don't do that old choke I don't know what kind of food we had because you know

uncle I leave to go eat you know why I'm at yeah you have no choice to leave you didn't have nothing to eat Y'all didn't even have pizza on Friday before Marvin got there. Pizza? What? Don't nobody want no piece on Friday? Everybody get pizza in wings on Friday. That's man, don't.

No, I don't like no pizza. I don't want no pizza. You know you can catch me at. Hey, Joe, I appreciate that Joe, boy, we're going to cross that, boy. No, but you can't look. Yeah. You got to be respectful of a situation. I get home boys, my home boy's coming to town.

Hey, I was like, hey. Right. Hey, they're like, man, I said, look, go in there. They sit down, we sit down, they get a couple of slices of piece and get some wings, we eat. It wasn't going to get no food and taking it out there. Man, I had to stop a dude. Right.

Ocho. This dude, I was like, damn, he doesn't shout out. What are he waiting for? You know, I'm looking up like, well, damn. And he's shot with 30 minutes ago. He's still sitting around here. Right. This joke alone up, you know how you, Ocho,

you know how you put your jock and all your stuff. in a bag, the larger bag. This joker done went and got him another laundry bag and take about 15, 16 Gatorade home tonight. Damn. I said, my man. I said my man. That is what we do.

I say, is it worth you getting cut on? Because that's what's going to happen. If Mike them find out you doing this, why? Right. And you're doing it every day? You do it every day? day. So come on, bro.

Ah, you're right, you're right. I'm like, bro, that's a fake, man. I mean, first of all, most people, most family and friends are not going to put you in harm's way because when they're gone, you're still there. Right.

They'll be looking at you sideways. Hey, um, hey, Joe, y'all don't think that's petty, though? Hell no. Team worried about, you know, your people taking food. We're talking food. You got to give us more content.

Did he sit there and eat and then make a big plate? Hold on. Somewhere around Jonathan Camigas were reporting taking too much food from the Warriors' family room per Anthony Slater. He knew management wanted to ding him for missing team requested events and alert him that someone around him was taking too much food from the family room. The grives between the player and the organization, as multiple sources said, had become petty in the fifth year of the relationship and many believe should have ended years. before you heard that key word that I already said petty yeah yeah I think it's petty I mean and it's the family room you're not now you're trying to chastide and tell my family how much

food they could take first of all what what is too much of all you're not step curry step curry can take whatever he won't you're not him you have to understand oh cho there are things that you could do in Cincinnati that lesser players couldn't do yeah we understand I can take advantage of that there's a pecking order it's called production tolerance. When your production is high, tolerance level for BS is even higher. Hmm.

So this notion, the thing he could do with Steph and what Draymond can do, bro, when I can, look, when my, my homeboys came,

my homeboy got sideline passes. Guys look at me like, hey man, you, your homeboys on the sideline. I was like, yeah. I'm like,

why don't you, like, man, I ain't on any mask because I already know, No, the house is no. But my family was on, my homeboys was on the sideline. John had people on the sideline.

TD could have people on the sideline. There are a few other guys, but everybody's not like that. You've got to understand your position in the organization. Now, he gives you a 22, 20, he gives you a 20, 22 a night, Joe, five and five.

Hey, bro, hey, as a matter of fact, what you need to take? They're going to fix you up something to take home. They go, hey, you're a bad. the go bag ready yeah yeah yeah I understand what you're saying I obviously you know there's a pecking order there's certain things you can and cannot do the family room I just think it's kind of petty to me I mean I understand what you guys are

saying and how you see it just a family room or we taking too much food hell Kamenna probably had him do it on purpose to hurry up and exploit his his way up out of there yeah it's a bad yeah yeah yeah yeah rose a relationship gone bad yeah that's We talked about these years ago. When the man wasn't even playing, and then he played a little bit in the postseason last year, this relationship should have been ended. It's kind of like,

you bring somebody to the cookout, and then all of a sudden, they take it four, five place up out of there. You ain't going to say it's just food. You're like, hold on, bro. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But that's how they was viewing it. The report is like Steve Kern reporting,

wanted to develop Jonathan Kaminga into a Sean Marion Gordon type. But Kaminga viewed himself as a future all-star and wanted more on-ball opportunities. Kaminga career developed. Kaminga believed that he has shown enough in a supplementary role to have earned more consistent trust on-ball opportunities. Neither happened to his liking, sources said, only hard to his belief that Kerr and general manager Mike Dunleavy would only ever view him as a fast, run fast, jump high athlete

without a requisite skill to lead, to be a lead option. Hey, look, I'm out here. I got, Uncle Ocho, I'm looking for a commingal. Where he is? I'm watching the Hawks game. I'm like, damn, when are he going to play? I'm looking for him.

So he ain't in the start line up with the Hawks? I ain't seen him play, nah. He ain't played. I don't think he played the game yet. Is he hurt? He probably, he probably hurt. I don't know. I don't know. They probably giving him some time to get rid of whatever, but yeah, to get acclimated,

but the faster they can incorporate him, the better off their beat, man. I think him and Jalen Johnson can really make some noise. But, okay, Ocho, with him and the Warriors, with Camiga and the Warriors, that was just a bad relationship, bro. They let it, but they couldn't, they couldn't let him walk away for nothing so they had to get some conversation for him, you know what I mean? So that's why they re-signed him, and I guess they just pretty much used them for bait. Like at the worst case, we're just going to sit him down right here until we can trade them. You know what I mean? That's in basketball, man.

That's how they'll do you, bro. Yeah. I'm just, but did he realize like Sean Marion was an all-star? Yeah. Sean Marion turned himself into an all-star and was a major contributor on a championship winning team. Man, listen, you didn't have to run no plays. None. Okay, Ocho.

You didn't have to run now one play and he was going to have 20 and 10 every night. For real? Every night you look in the stats sheet, dude, got 20. 22 points, 12 rebound, 20, and played great defense. Great defense. And he had the fastest second jump I've ever seen in a basketball player. Like, it's like he would shoot the miss on purpose just so he can go up to intip it. Hey, he had the funniest shot release too.

Oh, yeah. He did. He did. He had a little funny shot. But, hey, it was cash, though. You, in that corner and that one. Oh, you have three. Oh, you had three ball in them short porches.

Yeah, he'll cash money. Yeah, but I mean, bro, come on. First of all, Ocho, you taking stuff home is different than a family member or friends taking stuff home. You know how that goes. That's just like you. You can go back to the training room. You can wear stuff up out of there. But you can't your family and friends like, hey, I just grab stuff.

You can't do that. I mean, that is so unprofessional. I don't even know why he would even want it like to put the, I don't even know why family and friends would be, they say friends. But I don't even know why they would put it. him in that situation, Joe. I don't. Hey, you got to understand. Some family members don't, don't understand the etiquette you got to come with.

Okay, Ocho. Especially if some that ain't never really been to a professional game, I'm just speaking from experience. Yes. Like, you know, you have to put them in their place. Like, look, look, don't be up in here, man, eating up out, everything up in sight. Don't be asking, don't be asking for no autographs. Don't be, hey, man, can I get them gloves? man, don't be saying about sign my footbook.

Man, don't look here, don't do that. Hey, that's me right there. Don't do that. That's me. Hey, hey, Joe, I go to games where I get the ass and I'm talking about NFL player, Joe. Joe, I act, I act, I got, I never played in NFL before. I'd be excited to see people. I'd be excited to meet new players.

I'd be asking for pictures and shit. I'm like, and they're looking at me crazy like, you want a picture with me? I say, yeah, man. I want to pitch a man, come on, man. I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with you. This is how we behave, bro. Because when you lead, that's a reflection on me.

People looking at me sideways. Man, you know sharp home boys, man. They know how to act. Man. He probably told me to do that on purpose, man. But you got, yeah, look, you hook them up. You hook them up with a little care package, though. You make sure they get a little something.

Hey, yeah. I had already done told a flip. Hey, flip, I got some home boys coming. Can they get a pretty shorts? can they get a couple of t-shirts, a couple of hats? Hey, Sharpe, no problem. I have it sitting in your locker because everybody ain't going to get that. Right, right, right.

But you also understood, like I said, people that's never been in that situation, y'all don't get it. Y'all talk about a billion-dollar organization. Okay, you work for Microsoft. You work for Amazon. Let your homeboys go up in there and do whatever the F they want. They work way more than NFL teams and see what happened. Y'all don't, I would just wish people just got it and just stop thinking so reckless.

You're professional. This ain't no, this ain't know somebody. I'm going, I'm going to, uh, uh, uh, the down, down the street to Ms. Lucia house. Yeah. Hey, uh, it's, I mean, I understand you, John, uh, Joe, I understand both of y'all. But at the end of the day, man, we talk about food. We talk about food. Who they're preparing the food for?

The family is in the family area. They, this for the team. It said family. Ocho. Remember I told you the story about how the coach said, we went to the buffet. It's all you can eat, not all you can eat and take out.

That's the difference. It's all you could eat. Not all you can eat and take out. Right. And how does that, Ocho, how does that look, how does that look, Joe there, Joe got four home boys

and each of them got two plays leaving the facility. Yeah, they ain't having that old job. I got, I got y'all. I understand. Hey, but I think, I bet he said, man, y'all get what y'all want, man. I don't care. I don't want to be in no goddamn way.

Yeah, it probably was some, it probably was some pettiness. For sure. Evan Turner responded to the situation tweeting, I remember one time my coach said he viewed me as Richard Jefferson. And that was the first time I truly understood Latreel's free will. P.S., I trade the career.

has for Richard Jefferson, so it ain't no shade. I just thought I was Kobe. Hey, listen, but that's the reality that you get. When you come into the NBA, Uncle Ocho, I'm telling you, and you get great your whole life on every team you've played on, you started, you've been the guy. And then you get around some real pros, do who've been in the lead eight, 12, 15 years.

Right. Then you kind of see the big difference, like, I'm talented, but I ain't that damn talented. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's an eye-opener, bro. Especially for guys who've really been held on that pedestal since they were 13, 14 years old. Right. Yeah.

And how many, and Richard Jefferson played what, 17, 18 years? Yeah, he played 18 years, won a title. With the calves. Went to two. Didn't he go with the Nats? He went twice with the Nats, back to back, right? To the finals. Yeah, but they lost the jersey.

He lost to the first and I think they lost to the, they lose to the Lakers? Lakers, yeah. So, that was my draft class. He went, uh, Richard Jefferson went 12. I went 10 in that draft. Oh, one.

See, I mean, that's the thing. Oh, look. Sometimes we are our biggest, our biggest enemy. Because everybody views themselves, Ocho. Everybody views themselves as Jerry Rice or, or, or, or, Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White. Yeah.

Man, just let me, just let me, bro. Only time I'm going to tell That's it That's it But guys don't have patience no more Now Joe and Ocho Guys hey I want what I want right now

Joe Yeah I want it right now Ocho let me get that And if I can't get it I'm gonna make stuff uncomfortable And then you go somewhere else

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