Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: FRUSTRATED Shedeur Sanders goes SILENT + DOLPHINS Darren Waller on NFL COMEBACK & Overcoming ADDICTION

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders saying nothing in his most recent comments with the press, Miami Dolphins tight end Darren Waller then joins the show to talk about his return to the NFL and his great game Monday Night, and much more! 02:50 - Browns name Dillon Gabriel QB1 over Shedeur Sanders16:00 - Darren Waller joins the show41:25 - Browns name Gabriel QB1 over Shedeur cont’d (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ernest Jones is going to join us at the top of the hour. So we really appreciate, I guess, staying up and joining us tonight. The Cleveland Browns have announced that their third round pick, Dillon Gabriel, will start Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in London. When asked about getting, uh, Gabriel getting the starting job, it was literally, it literally left your door speechless. Ocho, let's take a listen to the same. Yeah, yeah. Let me hear that thing. Quarterback. I think you have to show, you know, show to some coaches just to, you know, have that belief in you that you can, y'all be ready. What game you say?

How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to this point? Oh, Cho, do you like the way Chouder handle this press conference? Absolutely. Absolutely, because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words. If you say nothing, you know, there's really, on any other team, there are 31 other,

excuse me, there are 31 other teams. Do any of those media members talk to the third string quarterback? No. It's controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create it? By when they ask you questions, just don't answer.

You just don't answer. If anything, they should be talking to Joe Flacco. Why are you talking to Sjouder? It makes no sense, and I like the way he handled it because anything he does say, they're going to make it a big deal,

they're going to twist his words, they can take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan Gabriel's a starter, so be it. For me, I mean, it's being reported. Adam Schaefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response. to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show that keep your mouth closed,

move to the front of the class, and X, Y, and Z. Okay, I like that. I guess this was a situation where he's like, okay, I should keep my mouth shut. I'm going to keep my mouth shut. It's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father, obviously he leans very heavily on his father, rightly so. His dad has been through things like this where, you know, he says something and then If he says something, it's one thing.

If he doesn't say something, it's another thing. So he took this approach. Look, he's not just any other quarterback, any other third string quarterback. No. You and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did, we wouldn't be having it. If he was any normal fifth round pick, we wouldn't even have this discussion. Yeah.

But he's not a fifth round pick. So we shouldn't ask him to act like a fifth round pick because that's, That's not what we believe he is. For me, look, if he to talk, if he had took the pro, say, look, I'm happy for Dillon. Hopefully he goes out there and plays well. Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but, you know, this is the game of football. This is a business. And, hey, I'm just, you know, I'm happy for Dillon and my job doesn't change.

Right. I go out there, I prepare. And if my time, if my number is called, I'm going to go out there and give it everything that I possibly got that's really the only thing that he can say oh joe what's he's what's he supposed to say yeah now it's a situation i'm not so you know we had this conversation and everybody from cleveland jumped on me i said guys what are we doing right why why is joe flacco here yeah we know flacko was in cleveland was before and they let him go yeah was in indy and he wasn't let me get the straight he wasn't the answer the first time around in cleveland he wasn't the answer in

Indy, he wasn't the answer at the Jets, but now he's going to be the answer this time around. Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012 when he won them, when he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl, and that's it. Go ahead, Ocho. Nick, I don't think he, I don't think he was the answer, uh, it was more sure of the short term, the short term, excuse me, their short term answer until they're ready to see who who's going to be quarterback number two.

We find out who quarterback number two was, and it was only a matter of time. Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart. Russell Wilson was a starter He was a starter For a short time Like you said Eight weeks or maybe after I thought it had been way

I thought it had been far beyond that But obviously we see what happened They made it change after week three Same concept I knew I knew I knew he wasn't going to be there Being there too long And I mean listen Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback

I wish some luck And we're going to see To me to be honest with you I don't think he's the answer I don't think it's the answer and we're going to find out listen this ain't the preseason this ain't the preseason

and the defenses that you're going to see now are going to be a lot more different than we saw for sure preseason so if he can handle the pressure one of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel and not only can he throw the ball he showed that he can be efficient in the preseason but he's also a dual threat

he can use his legs similar to Jackson Dart I'm not saying Jackson Dart but I'm just saying he had that dual threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball. It's funny how we look at things. Now, James Winston has a big personality. He's a third-string quarterback. Everybody would a lot of James had he did the exact same thing.

Right. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Yeah. The funny thing that he says and the mannerisms that he has. Yes. This is James. Yeah, absolutely. But they have a problem with you do.

I don't know how should do it. if he says something, he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something until he gets on the field and somebody can say either, see, I told you he could play or I told you he couldn't play, it's going to be something, Ocho. That's just the way, that's just the nature of what it is. Absolutely. You know, it's totally unfortunate to, if it was any fifth round pick, he wouldn't be talked about

like this. No. This would come with that last name. Yeah, absolutely. This would come with the aura of. being a Sanders. It is what it is. Obviously, I feel the Browns

an organization, Sifansky, obviously the owner himself came out and said, this wasn't my pick. This is not who I wanted. So the odds are stacked against him. The car that he dealt, he can have to do his best job and plan the hand that he has. When that opportunity comes, if it does come,

you got to come out. You got to be prepared. You got to be prepared. And when you get it, you got to shut that door behind you. I get it. Look, and people say, would James prove themselves? what that he's a journeyman quarterback he threw 30 picks he was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got to go back to test of birdie in the 80s they threw 30 interceptions so I'm trying to figure out what did he prove he took did he take Tampa to did he take Tampa to the

Super Bowl because all I know the team that he left Tom Brady came in the next year and they went to the Super Bowl so I'm asking you guys you said he proved what did he prove if he'd prove guess where he'd have been Ocho not to back up and New York, where were you being? Because where was he last year, Joe? Cleveland. Cleveland, yeah. He was in New Orleans before that.

Yeah. All I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches. We can prove, prove, okay, fine, I get your point. Where he started in the league, he was rookie of the year in the league. You're absolutely correct. But there are a lot of guys that prove they can, Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league. Joe Blackko won a Super Bowl. the Super Bowl MVP.

We are. Go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers. I mean, you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improved than Jamis.

I was just saying the personalities. When we like somebody, Ocho, we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't. See, we like Javis.

James, funny, man. Y'all heard what Javis saying, James was funny. James was going to have a career media. Yeah, James is one-on-one. James is. Yes. There isn't another personality like him.

I think Shadour doesn't have that kind of personality. I think people just don't like Shador based on the Oar, what he comes with, the name, Pops as well, some of the things Dion may have said in the past, people that like Dion, so any ill will toward Dion and just overflowing onto his son as well. For me, you ignore it, especially as, as Shador, you ignore it. You've been prepared for this moment.

You've had the deal with all your life. Now it's come to a head. You're at the last stop. You've reached the pinnacle. Your childhood dream of being on an NFL team, you're not the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time if things don't go well.

You just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And that's pretty much it. All the noise, block all that out, man. Block all that out. It's just unusual. to see the starter get benched and well I guess it's common because when when Russ got benched Jackson Dart came in the start and Russell went to the backup right so I guess it's not

unusual as we might think it is you're like well hold on flacko got benched should do it was already third shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back but that's seemingly not how they did it because Brian Dayball said that Jackson Dart will start the rest of the season and Russ was surveyed as his backup and Jamis stayed where James is. Yeah. And I guess it's common. I don't really know Ocho, but it seemed like this is the same thing.

Joe Flacco lost his job. The guy that was backing up, Joe Flacco moves to the starter and Flacco moved to number two and the third quarterback is exactly where he was. Yeah, absolutely. I think the thing is, until Shador gets on the field and proves or disproved what the coach Ocho is 50,

I mean, want to play, he's too cocky, he's too this, he does this and he does that, the mannerism, until he's on the field, until he plays, the chatter, the noise, It's not going to stop. No, it's not.

It's not. Are you muted? Me? He ain't said nothing. I can't hear him. You can't hear me? Oh, it's me? Yeah, that's you.

I'm talking to you. Can you hear me that? Hey, can you see my muscles? You see my muscles? Hey, chat, can you see my muscles? Yeah. Okay, there you go. You got me now?

Yeah, I got you. Go ahead. That was me. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I can eat. But they, but it's, it's a situation, Ocho. People want to see him succeed or they want to see him fail, but they want to see him on the field. Yeah. That's what it comes. That's what it comes down to, Ocho. I want to see him on the field and I want to see him sink or swim.

Right. Yeah. That's what it comes down to because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this or he shouldn't have been that. Now, he's going to either prove a camp right or he's going to be proven wrong. Right. But they want to say, okay, see, now that's why he's led to the fifth round. Man, I don't know how, y'all see how he's playing? He should have never been in the sixth round. I mean, the fifth round.

Right. You don't know. I'm sure he talked to his dad. Yeah. His dad's like, look, son, if it was me, you handle it. You're your own guy. You're your own man. But...

Rex said, I don't know exactly. I don't want to misquote, but I think he said something to the fact, why are you talking? Because it's the same situation and here's where he's going to get beat up at. If he doesn't go play and he doesn't play well, Ocho, remember, he said he can play better

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But when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man, you're asking, you're asking for a lot of criticism. Yeah. We'll get back to that minute. We got a very special guest. We got former Pro Bowler, former Raven, former New York Giant, former Raider, former Raider, joining us. Darren Waller. Darren, how you doing, bro?

What's going on, man? How y'all doing? Appreciate y'all having me. Man, I'm doing amazing. Let me ask you, bro, you play it. I mean, look, you have a little setback and we're getting to that a little bit. You get drafted by the Ravens. You have, you know, have some issues.

You end up going to the Ravers where you revive your career. Playing unbelievable. You go to the Giants and having success there. And then abruptly, you know, you stepped away from the game. What went into that decision that you're playing basically at the height of your career and you say, you know what, I need to step away? I feel like mentally and emotionally, I felt like I kept running into similar walls I was running into earlier in my career. I wasn't necessarily sabotaging myself in the same way, but I just felt like I kept running to the wall.

Like, this isn't really fulfilling to me. I feel like there's a lot more room for me to be having joy here. I'm not having joy. So I feel like I needed to step away to really just reevaluate my life while I was doing the things I was doing. Was I doing them for me or was I doing them for other people to give me a thumbs up, shit like that? So I feel like taking that time away, really present an organic moment for me to come back and join the Dolphins. You know what, when I think about it, too, when you think about that organic moment for you and being able to get away and having a sense of peace for most, usually football allows us to get that peace away from the world, away from reality. Are you in a space now?

Are you in a head space now where you think you've fulfilled whatever it is you need is to step away from the game from? and now you can devote your attention to just football. Yeah, I just feel a lot lighter, a lot pure. Just in my life, you know, I feel like there was a lot of things I was involved in or trying to do just to, I don't know, escape the game in a way. But now I feel like the perspective I got from these last couple years, it allows me to step in and just see it the way I saw it, like when I was a kid, you know what I'm saying, just being excited to play, like having fun, like with a team

just cutting up. Like, it's just, I just see it with a whole new pair of glasses now. Yeah, that's dope. When you stepped away from the game, did you think it would be as easy as it was to get back in? Because normally, you know, getting in is easy. Getting back in is really, really hard. Yeah, I feel like dudes ain't just really just like stepping away and then being like, I want to come back.

Usually they step away. It's like there really ain't no coming back. So me coming back into it, I mean, I feel like I've always respected the game. So I'm like, dudes, it's still just as fast, stronger, maybe even more so. So I'm like, shit. I practiced maybe three full practices, a couple. limited ones earlier, right when camp first ended. So I was like, I don't even really know what I'm going to be like when I step back

into this, but I'm going to get hit, too. I ain't got hit in two years. And then to have it go, how I went on Monday was just like, you couldn't even script that for real. I think, but when you think about it, too, when you were in the game, you were still one of the better players in the league as your position. I mean, just removing yourself for two years, two years from that and coming back with just two years, you're still going to be one of the better players at your position,

as you saw when you guys played. So I'm excited for you. Skies is obviously the limits. Tyreek Hill is now gone. And so that puts you to even more of a bigger role because knowing Mike McDaniels and the creativity he has offensively, you can create mismatches with you all damn day.

All damn day. Yeah, for sure. Straight up. How long did it take you for your spidey senses to come back? Because, you know, like when you and Troy, like when you take like four months off, It takes you a while to really understand, like, okay, this is where my dangerous spotty of, danger over here, the guy's coming up from behind, I need to get up in my shadow.

Being away for two years, I can only imagine, and your spidey senses are shut off for two years. How soon did it take them to start tingling again where you felt, okay, this is man's own, I got danger on my right, I need to get up in my shadow, I need to spend left, I need to spend right. How long did that take for the comeback? I still feel like it's coming back because, like, during the week of practice last week, we had like put a play in where I was kind of running like like a choice but like it kind of turns into like a wheel route and I was out there like on a rat line thinking I'm on a red line I catch it like my feet are just barely inbound so I'm like I got to get my field spacing back but luckily like that

first play first third down of the game it was just like two man and I'm just like all right like I know what this would like I beat this a million times and just like that muscle memory came back but no you definitely right like I feel like the spacing reading his own seeing how things coverages react from the disguise like post snap i feel like oh that shit's got to come back with reps yeah well i mean and speaking of reps was the game too fast for you did it did it feel like you were moving in slow motion a little bit being that you've been away from the game and listen you didn't get a chance of playing the pre-season i'm not sure but game speed is totally different it doesn't matter how much you practice once you get in the game playing against somebody else

you'd like what the hell have you caught up to that yet are your legs or your legs up on the knee if you. I feel like it was a good start Monday, you know what I'm saying? Like I was getting, you know, reps against guys like sauce and, you know, there's good, there's good athletic guys on that defense that's moving fast. So I feel like it's a good start. And, you know, I'll probably see matchup guys with guys like J.C. on Sunday with the Panthers. They got some guys that can cover.

So, I mean, I feel like it's only going to get better for me. I feel like the little things tops of the routes just to feel like how I'm feeling in stems and just, you know, playing fast and not really thinking is going to probably take some time, but I feel like I'm probably further along and I think I was just off Monday night because I ain't know what to expect. I think the thing is that you, like you said, I mean, you really haven't, it wasn't like you were out running routes because you didn't know if you were going to come back. And so now basically they put it in you out there and you got to, hey, do I rip, do I swim?

What do I do? Do I press? I mean, do I get on the outside? I know I'm, I don't want to square him up because I don't want him to get my whole chest. I just want to get him a shoulder to hit. How soon did the route running aspect of it come back? Like I said, well, it's still coming back, bro. Like, I got, so I had got injured when a few weeks into my training of when I said, all right, I'm going to play again.

And that had me out for real until last week. So, like, I had a few practices before I got hop in that game. So it's really all just coming back to me as we go along. So, like, these Wednesday, these Thursday practices is like super intentional. You get better and feel more comfortable. Yeah, super intentional for me to kind of like, all right, how can I curate, like, everything that dudes was doing throughout camp you know i'm kind of like trying to hustle up and kind of get back into into that flow but also just understand like you know i am where i am

i'm supposed to be here right now i ain't got to be where anybody else is at in their journey my journey is probably as weird and unique as it gets you know what i'm saying with the tyreek were you on the field when tyriek got injured or did you see it on the jumbo tron when i was right there so we had ran like i don't know if they call it a crash concept in your day but it's like the dude in the slot runs like the 12 yard out and you got the under from number one the smash route yeah we smash the smash yeah i ran a little under from number one and i seen the ball go over my head so i turned i'm like and reek caught it and then i just saw like and then i just seen his leg dangling and it was just like spark like just instantly just

like it just brought me to the ground like i ain't even know my body who just didn't even know how to react yeah because they said he suffered a dislocated knee yeah torn ACL and maybe some other ligaments damage it was it's it's tough seeing that so obviously you know and mike macdaniel is telling the story of how he you know he's joking with some of the guys like guys you just make sure you get this win knowing because look you've been around this game enough you know when it's a serious injury nobody has the doctor doesn't have to tell you anything you don't have to hear a route a report you've been around this game enough you see that you know yeah he's not coming back yeah straight away i turn around and i was like come

Come get him. They got to put him in the aircast immediately. Yeah. So you was with Gruden. I think you were Gruden because he's like, hey, this guy he saw you. What has been the biggest difference between Gruden and Mike McDaniel? Because they're both, this basically, the verbiage might be a little different, but this is the West Coast system. Yeah, no, the similarities between the two just coming from like the founding fathers like Mike Shanahan and Gruden, like it's kind of easy for me to pick up the concept. Like there's different words, different nuances, but they're both really, like, they're one-of-one individuals. Like, I don't think I've ever met anybody with personalities, like either one of them.

They got their own unique sense of humor. But, I mean, they love ball, for real. And they love putting the guys in position to, you know, do something with their career, do something with their lives, you know. So they, it's really fun energy to be around. I feel like both of them got just a distinct energy. I don't, I don't know. it's hard for you to say, but the word out of there

been reports that he was too lenient and guys were coming late to practice and guys were coming late to meetings and guys were overweight. What have you seen in your short time there that lead you to believe that you know what? He's the guy that can get this fixed. He's the guy that can turn this around and get the dolphins going in the right direction. I've seen a sense of urgency just since July from cleaning up, you know, like the

the fines that guys had from last year and just like all the little things that's just like how the fuck are we doing this and thinking that we're going to win like I feel like he's put in his energy and and use his words to be like hey like this is this has got to change and you know of course it starts with me but at the same time it's like it's really up to the guys in the locker room to police this and I feel like the captains have really really gone out their way for sure to make sure things are different from that regard you know and results on the field sometimes it's like okay it may take a while to get things going like that's how the league go. It's just super competitive. But from the standpoint of little things like you just described,

I haven't seen any of that this year. And so it's like, all right, like, once you have that out the way, like we can actually go somewhere. Locker room controls the football team. They police, they run. You got to show me the team to have the strong locker room and I'll show you a team that consistently win. You show me a team that like the locker room and the guys don't hold the other guys accountable and I'll show you a team. All right, just let me. You let me go. You put me in any locker room for a week. And I don't know anything. So I'm going to be in the blind.

I'm just going to happen to be in the locker room. I'm just going to be observant. I'll tell you who's winning and who's losing. Matter of fact, A, D, since you came back, right, two years removed, obviously you get an opportunity to come back, play for the Dolphins. Obviously, you have your team goals. From an individual standpoint,

two years removed for the game of football, what would be a successful season to you now that you return? I think a successful year for me. me is, you know, really just kind of keeping the same mindset I had before. It's like, I don't necessarily know if it'll be 100 catches. I don't know if it'll be the metrics that they once were five, six years ago. But just the same process of, like, however many opportunities it is, like, those opportunities you don't get maximized.

It's how I kind of try to measure success, try to get away from, like, the stats and everything like that. And really just kind of like being a leader, kind of being one of those guys like that Shannon was just discussing. Like, I'm the oldest guy on the team, I think, which is wild. I was turned 33, September 13th. That ain't bad. That's young. Right. So just kind of, like, embodying that presence, too, and just kind of like some of the

shit that I've been through coming in, going back, like, going from where I was in my career, I can relate to where any of these dudes is at in a career from plaque to squad to getting cut to getting traded to on the rise, like, just kind of stepping up in my leadership ability that would say as well. now that you're back in football because when you stepped away from the game you stepped into music obviously that's a passion of yours but now that you're back in football have you put music on the back burner if that's something that you're going to pick back up once your football career is all yeah it's kind of on the back burner for now for sure like i've i think i've

written a one verse or two since july um and like a hook or two for a song but like i haven't really been doing anything it's been focused on football for real like i got a lot of songs like I'll I'll like tease some shit like put some music behind some post that I'll put out but all those songs are recorded before I even got back out here so it'll be nice to take a break because I was going hard with it and creating in my time off and so I feel like it's a good flow for me to be back in ball and when it's time to pick the mic back up again I feel like I'll be ready yeah I mean I haven't really heard a whole lot of rappers from Georgia Tech but okay hey I'm glad to do that you know because I guess it's a it's a new thing there lay

Hey, we, we over to it. Yeah. Hey, you know, one of my hobbies and one of my passions is, you know, I write. I've written for a few artists. So at any point, you pick that mic back up, let me know. You know, I've written for Drake. I've written for Nicky Minaj. I've written for Lou Wayne.

You got real credits? Oh, yeah, I got real credit. If you ever, I wrote for Beyonce. If you look at their credits of some of the songs that I've done, I'm in the credits. What songs? Huh? Your connection fucked up? I got

I'm a sure to you I'm going to send it to you but yeah we get in the studio do a little something a little duet or something say less bro I need to know

what's the best what's the best cigar lounge in in South Florida bro I'm in like Fort Lauderdale area hey hey listen we can go together smoke on the water smoke on the water

smoke on the water right there right of Royal Palm Boulevard yeah or it or you know during and I don't do nothing to smoke them are Daniel Marshalls. Hey, send me my cigars, man.

Whoa, well, I'm talking, I'm talking to the gas. They think I got nothing to do with you, Ocho. I'm telling, man, what I smoke. You don't even smoke. You don't even smoke. Ocho. You see, all I'm saying is that the Daniel Marshall, those are 24-carriage, you know,

I got like, I got a box of those. Can you send me some of cigars? Hey, A, D. On Pembroke Pines, from Pines Boulevard, there's another cigar bar called Officianados. Them the two I go to is real nice.

I ain't smoked those 24-carat gold, but... Yeah, you're the gold. Leave your little gold. Something, you know, Daniel Marshall, next time you go to the cigar bar, that they're going to be in the case. You just can't go pull them

because, you know, they're like 85 to 120 a stick. But you know... Nah, AD, don't listen to him. Them stick costs 289 apart. Oh, we all bet. Listen. Yeah, 289. Alcho, why are you mad because I got a box of him?

Damn. I see you a couple. Hey, Dee, them sticks were probably sent to him by accident. They were probably for me. What? You don't smoke cigars, huh? Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll get, we'll get in the Black and Miles.

Darren in 2020, you founded the Darren Waller Foundation with the mission to equip youth to avoid and overcome addiction of drugs and alcohol, support the youth and their family during the recovery and treatment a journey. I don't know how well our audience know, but you were originally drafted by the Ravens. I mean, a guy that's your size, six, five and a half, 255 pounds, can run like you can run. You're a match-up problem.

No lineback is doing anything with you. Safety, they're just too small. People are putting their best corner. You beat sauce for a touchdown. You were getting, when you were at your prime, when you were with the Raiders, I thought you were going to get my record that day, too. I think you had like 15 catch him for 200 yards.

I'm like, damn. go get it uh to overcome what you overcame when you're at your darkest did you understand that man i'm throwing this great opportunity away did you did you understand when you're in it do you understand or do you realize that you actually have an addiction who told you you have an addiction when did you realize you have that's a great question i feel like in the moment i don't think you can i think you're too numb at least i was like for me like the the drinking and And shit like that was to numb a lot of things I was feeling, thinking, experiencing. So in those moments where, you know, a normal person would feel like, oh, fuck, like I'm throwing this shit away.

Like, I don't have access to that feeling. Like, it's all kind of shut off. You know what I'm saying? And I had guys like, Ben Watson was with the Ravens when I was there. Like, right before I got suspended, and he was like, if you could just like lock in, bro, like, you don't know where this shit could go. Like, a whole bunch of people were just telling me that. And I'm just like, I can't really receive it because I also. don't really had that much confidence

in myself. So I realized I was addicted when, because I OD'd in 2017, it was like a month before what would have been my third season. And I was probably going to be a starting tight end in in Baltimore that year. That was 2017. And, yeah, I OD'd and then went to rehab a month

later and I'm just sitting there listening to everything they're saying. I'm like, damn, like, I definitely, that's 100% me. And it's all throughout my family, you know what I'm saying? Like, throughout like the generations of my family is kind of like impacted a lot of people so it's passed on to me and then being able to have the opportunity to be like all right i could change the course of generations going forward from my family

and also just you know be somebody that people can look to because like me shit i don't fuck up plenty times and but they could still be successful whatever they got going yeah how old were you when when you started drinking or you started dabbling with drugs were you young or whether you got to college you started drinking you know college atmosphere was it a high school I was pretty young. I was like 15. I got into like painkillers, like the hydrocodone,

five milligrams, 10 milligrams first. I started smoking weed and drinking. After that, probably like junior year. And, uh, was just kind of off from there.

It got real crazy through college and through my first couple years in the league. And then so it was about like a 10 year run from like 15 to, I got sober like a month for my 25th birthday. What would you want you? What message would you like to share with the, youth about what they can potentially overcome given you're the best person you're the best teacher because you've overcome something you know a lot of what these kids are dealing with

you know a lot of the signs you know a lot of the symptoms you know a lot of man I'm all right no you're not because that seat that you're sitting in I saw it in that seat for about a decade now I'm in this seat and I want to share with you the message of how you can beat this the message for me is just like there are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feel in or who we really are we compare ourselves to so many different people there has to be some level of return to like authenticity find like a comfortability like a peacefulness and a joy and just being like exactly who you are because i feel like me this young kid i was like it all stemmed from the pain i felt from feeling like i was always like the odd man out or people thought

I was too weird or I had big ears, big feet, I was getting roasted or like it all started from all these little things. I was like, man, I don't feel like I'm good enough. I want to turn to things that make me feel like I'm good enough or at least forget the fact that I'm not good enough. And when really it's like there are people around you that are going through the same things. We just all try to act like we don't have stuff going on in our lives. So it's really just being yourself, you're going to attract people to you that love you

for who you are and that will support you, whatever you go through. So I would just say, you know, there is really no peace, no sobriety possible if you don't find ways to really deal with the pain and the trauma that happened earlier in your life or whenever in your life and just, yeah, finding peace with just being who you are, whether people like it or not. I like that. Happiness. Happiness is, you know, people say I found happiness, but happiness is something that you create. Peace is something that you create. How long did it take you to get to that point? that you says, I'm at peace with Darren. I'm happy with Darren. It's been elusive, man, to be honest. I think my journey with sobriety, just kind of seen a lot differently

started, like, 2017, and I feel like there were a couple years in there where I was like, okay, like, I'm moving in the right direction. And then there was some years in there where I'm like, I don't know, I feel like I'm kind of moving away. Like, I'm still sober, but there's still like something that's not blocked a little bit from, you know,

say 21 to 23. And then it's like, since retiring it's opened up nothing but a path for me to just go as deep as possible with those kind of things and really just look at myself in the mirror and now I feel like it's like a lot more attainable I feel like the happiness is fleeting but it's like I'm a lot more content with my life like I don't need I can step into football and just be like what I'm gonna just I want to have this experience is what I want to do I don't need it to do something for me to validate me to do X Y and Z it's just like I'm sure this is the way I'm

choosing to live my life and I'm a I'm gonna enjoy this shit and that's dope man the funny thing about it too I'm I'm really glad I mean I'm really glad you're able to be authentic and in and wrong in answering these questions on the questions are phenomenal too because there are people that are probably in the chat there are people that are going to see this and and people that are dealing with the same issues you are and not knowing how to navigate those situations or how to deal with it and you being a testimony and being someone that has had issues, but gotten to help and look where you are now. I mean, dude, that's, that's an amazing story.

And kudos to you for having, for one, the discipline to do it and stick to it and be able to live out your childhood dream again. Because most times people don't get a second chance. Appreciate that, man. Darren, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Now that you're back, have you put a timetable or a time limit on how, how long you want to play, or you take it at year by year. Or you're like, you know what, I really like to get two or three more in.

Or you're saying, you know what, all I know is that I'm going to play 20, 25. And I worry about 2026 and 2026 and beyond once that time arrived. But right now, I'm into here. I'm into now, and that's all I can continue. I think you really just said it right there, man, because it's like after experiences like Monday, because I came in, like I said, I got, I got hurt. My first goal was to train. I'm like, damn, bro, we on this shit again?

like this is still this is still happening and uh so i'm like there's doubt there's fear like did i even make the right decision coming back but then having like a night like monday it's like well wait like this feels like there's still like plenty left here maybe there is something more yeah but it's like i feel like like you just said plan this season giving this season my all and then really evaluate and from there and so i'm i'm open to everything i don't want to say I'm done, this is just one chapter because, you know, I don't really know. Every time I thought I've had my life figured out

in which direction it should go, I feel like God has flipped the script and been like, nope, we're going this way now because I was set on not playing football ever again, but it's like, here I am. So I'm trying to just remain open. Well, Darren, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Congratulations on all the success.

Everything that you've overcome lets us know that there is a God and that anything is possible. stay healthy and after the season come back and talk to us. I appreciate you always. I appreciate you coming on, man.

Darren Waller, tied in for the Miami Dolphins to go through what he's going through Ocho to be able to overcome because, you know, hey, like you said, he was about to start in Baltimore and ended up getting suspended

a couple of times and they moved on and now he ends up with the Raiders and he's a pro bowl player. I mean, he's at the top. He's one of those top players And then, you know, all of a sudden, abruptly, you know, he steps away from the game. And for two years, he's like, he's like, he's like, you know what?

I want to come back. And kudos to the Dolphins for giving the opportunity. I don't know if there were other teams out there willing to give him an opportunity, but I know the Dolphins was one because he's playing with the Dolphins. And so it's always great when you, you know, you're here, you're down here and then you back up here again. And so like you said, he doesn't know if he'll ever be what he once was. in his prime, but for him to come back and to show that there's a possibility, because Ocho, you and I talk about it all the time, it's easier to get into the league, then get out

and try to get your butt back in it. Back in, yeah. But listen, if you're really good and you leave a good impression before you leave, the chances that you're coming back, they're pretty good. Yep. He's a mismatch nightmare. You think about this. Remember when Jimmy Graham's with the Saints?

Yep. You see what he looked like? Yep. Gronk. I'm not saying he's gronk. I'm not saying to Jimmy Graham, but I'm just saying that he's a mismatched nightmare. Yes. He can go out.

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Should we be surprised that he was named starter? No. I mean, he was the number two. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. He shouldn't be a surprise at all. He was, listen, Mr.

Fancy came out before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will be the number two quarterback. I mean, that's what it is.

That's what it is. So we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for Flacco, Dylan Gabriel would be the next man up. Now, things don't go well

with Dylan Gabriel. I don't know what's going to happen from that point on. That, that, see, that's where I was going next. Oh, you were.

You're right, Ocho, because it was reported that Gabriel was getting first team reps along with Flacko, it's earliest training camp. So he was getting first team reps.

Flacco was getting first team reps. And who was the quarterback of the quarterback? From the Steelers. Can he picket? Yeah. Yeah, pick it. So those guys were getting first team reps. Should do it wasn't getting those reps.

So I agree, we shouldn't be surprised. The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles, now what do we do? Do they go back to Flacco or they say, oh, do they give Shadour an opportunity? You know what? I'm not sure. And knowing the game, understanding the business and knowing how the business works, I think they will probably go back to Flacco. I think they would go back to Flacco.

And if things don't work out again and Flacco still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shaddua will get his shot somewhere on the back half for the season. Ocho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me. If you think he should do or knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year? If he knew what he knew is now, if he knows what he knows now?

High insight, yeah. Probably so. Probably so. I think so, too. But there is no possible way. There's no possible way. Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say, Ocho, he's not the first pick.

He's not a top five. He's not a top ten. let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation, let's just say that he's not a first round pick. 32 players going to be selected in the first round. Right.

Ain't no way he thought he'd be a fifth round draft pick. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not, no. And some people listen, some people are to say, well, he wasn't that good. He was mid. He would, listen, he can play the quarterback position.

He can play the quarterback position. He does, he does. He's not a dual threat. But when he lacks in his ability to run the ball, he makes up in other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team. And until he gets the opportunity to approve, he can do just that. We're going to have to wait and see. He should apply for hardship for COVID.

Say I want to go back and play. You're right. I mean, there's really, like, no way to really know. I mean, hell, I didn't, somebody would have told me I was going to be a self-ride draft pick. I said, you're out your damn, man. Yeah, yeah. I was the number, I was the number one rated,

one of the number one rated players below division one. So I'm like, okay, I ain't going to go in the first round. But somebody telling me, I'm not going to be a top three, third round pick. Man, please. Let me tell you something, huh? You've been around a long time. I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works.

Yeah. Anything they don't like about you before you get there, they will find a way to humble you. They will find a way to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself, boy, you've got to knock that goddamn dough down and close it behind you. Because you're not going to get very many opportunities,

especially if they don't like you. I would have, yeah, I would have, I agree with you, Ocho, because my brother's to tell me all the time, I say, man, you know, I've been training camp, Ocho, and I'll be like, man, I ain't, I ain't getting no ref today. Or I'd be in practice, you know, once I made a team. He said, don't worry about it. He said, one day, John L. We're going to call on you. He said, just make sure when he called your number. You better be ready.

You've got to be ready. And I think the thing that really helped me, Ocho, is that he told me, he said, T, you could, you could, you could, you could be. good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole lot of, there ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now. He said, just keep working, you know, just keep working hard. I don't know why that man took a liking to me. I don't know, Joe. I don't know why. Right. But, I mean, for him and Gary Kubiak, Kubiak, Kube was back up when I was in Denver when I first got there, 90, 91. Hey, Kube used to pull me to the side. Now, that's when you know somebody really took a liking to you. He pulled me to the side. He said, he would show me, it's like, hey, now you're going

be in here on this, this and this. You know what you got? Now they're going to be in this coverage. You run this. You're going to be on that coverage. You run that. Oh, sure, I'll be out there doing like I'm doing. I do like, okay, good job. Good job, Sharp. Hey, you know what else? You know what else? They'd be like, oh, Ojo. They'd be like, good job, Sharp. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about getting your playbook. Man, cool, told me everything.

Hey, you know, what else? When I think about it, when I think about some of the things, the fancy said when I think about some of the things the owner said they baiting too a little bit too um they baiting when you go to the army when you go to the marines when you go to the navy any of those places where it's a structured environment what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you if you're ready or you're worthy but they're going to try to break you down trying to break you he cannot break you cannot fold you cannot lash out hell no i don't come this far hell no can't do none of that you got to stay the course you got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come yeah it's definitely going

come man ocho look i'm going to share this story with you i've only shared it one time and i shared it with um when i spoke at uh coach reeves funeral um i was the only his wife called me and ask would i speak now you got to realize all the people that he played with with. Coach Reese played in the league. He played on the country Landry. All the coaches, he coached, he was the office coordinated with the Cowboys.

He was the head coach of the Broncos. He was the head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach of the Falcons. He asked me to, she asked me to speak. I didn't know until, like, she told me. But she's like,

Sean, it would be a huge honor if you were to speak at Dan. I was like, I'm like, are you sure? I'm like, she's like, I'm sure. She said, Shannon, you was always his favorite. He said, you work so hard. He'd he say he saw how you came in and what you work and turned yourself into.

He was just so proud. So I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke. Also, every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain plate. God on his troop every time he would call on me he would already have saw me he would tell me he would step out in the hall

he would tell me I'm going to ask you this right this is what you need to say right say it like this and I'm like why he he ain't doing that for nobody else right he's not that's why

it hurt me so bad, Ocho, when he got fired. I said, had I became, because he got fired the year I made my first Pro Bowl, I led the team and receiving it. It hurt me so bad. I said, if I had only become what I later became in 93 through 98, ain't no way Coach Reeves got fired. So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me. He believed in me.

He did. He draft me. Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me. And for him, John and Koob and Coach Reeve that take that kind of time, I promise you. I don't know. You don't quote me on this. It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game. It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in the 1983 draft, he was a pro bowler.

He was an all pro. He was an MVP. had gone to three Super Bowls is taking that kind of liking in a seventh-th-round draft pick. Gary Kubiak, who's the backup, is taking that kind of liking. Ocho, I ain't have no choice.

Yeah. It's like my grandmother, when she took my mom's three-in after raising hers, I ain't have no choice, Ocho. How could I let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me?

How? I couldn't. Right. Man, I got in a playbook. Hey, every night I'm going home. I say, I'm going to know everything. It became second nature. I knew I knew what I had to do.

It's hard to, because check this out, Ocho. Yeah. The tight end is normally, why? Yeah. In Dan's offense, he's X. The X. Yes. Because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator.

uh-huh so everything is backwards one three five is to the right two four six eight it's to the left yeah okay yes so if it's backward that's not z that's a wing okay x y wing three y dig tight in is the x oh cho tid in been y his whole life yeah two four six eight been to the your whole life one three five seven is to the left oh cho now you got verbiage oh I came from the route tree yeah six five four same seven three seven man what you mean 52 double slain in special huh what I got 502 heard nothing like that right oh man geez My mind was spinning.

Out of some good days, boy. Ocho, I just want to know what is it going to take? What do you believe it will take for Schenduer to get an opportunity to start this season? Because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore and it's reported that there were another team, the Eagles also thought about selecting him. He said, no, I don't want to play behind her. I don't want to, it wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that. But you're talking about a guy like Jamie Hurst is very doable.

He doesn't miss time. Lamar. You're not seeing the field, huh? You're not seeing the field at a new place. Now, what's the opportunity to play? What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland? Hey, that's one I don't know. And that's what I'm not understanding.

But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being that they're, they have shortcomings with Flacko and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel then that's malpractice on ownership. It might have to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there. Because not only the team going to call for him, the fans and the media are going to call for him as well.

I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for if Gabriel doesn't play well. Right. I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over. Just don't just keep the defense off the field for damn, 35, 40 minutes. I'm not asking you to be a world

beater, but if you can give your defense, if you can score enough and keep the defense off the field where they're not playing 35, 40 minutes, you're going to have a chance. Yeah. You're going to have a chance to defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down. Yeah.

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