Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Giannis Has to EMBRACE the VILLAIN Role + OKC TRADES Aaron Wiggins to Hawks + TWolves Will ONLY Trade Jaden McDaniels for Jokic OR Giannis

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Giannis saying he doesn’t want to leave Milwaukee, OKC trades Aaron Wiggins to Hawks and Timberwolves set their market for Jaden McDaniels! Timeline:00:00 - Introduction04:30 - Giannis doesn’t want to leave Milwaukee 28:55 - OKC trading Aaron Wiggins to the Hawks39:00 - Timberwolves will only trade Jaden McDaniels for Nikola Jokic or Giannis (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He just wants to leave the bucks. Now, last I checked, I ain't never seen him swing a bat or catch a damn football. So what other choice he's doing? we have. He can play for the brewers. He can play for the Packers or he can play for the buck or he can get the hell out of Milwaukee. Those are the only two options that he got. Go ahead, Ocho. Hey, Joe, Uncle Joe, this all he doing is softening the blow. He's just softening

a blow to make sure that when it does happen, which would probably be maybe in 48 or 72 hours, he's not the bad guy. He just doesn't want to be the bad guy. That's why he's putting this out now. I'm not sure why he doesn't want to accept being the villain. It's okay to be the villain. because once you leave, they're going to turn on you no matter what you do. No matter what you do. It's too damn late, Ojo. It's too late.

Look, everybody know you want out of Milwaukee. Yes. We know, hey, look, we know y'all's splitting up. We decide, dude, sitting over here, chilling in the cut. Oh, yeah, they're about to break up in a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to find me a little way to squeeze on up in now. You know what I'm the reason why. Don't say nothing, though.

Yeah. I've been seeing them. Ain't nobody been this. I've been seeing, I've been putting that bug in here. It'd be better over here than over there. Hello. Hello. Hello.

So listen, we already know. We already know they go in their separate ways, home, boy. It don't matter how to blow, pause. Soft and hard pause. I mean, no, for real. Go on open up the next chapter of your career, bro, because you still got a lot of great basketball left. If you want to go to Miami and you really have that choice,

Obviously, you got to talk Milwaukee into it, or if you want to go to Boston. Hell, it seems like Jalen Brown, I already know he's on the chopping block, too. He already know he's gone too. He's playing China for 400 million. Hey, we're going to stop calling that man Greek freak. We're going to start calling me sneak freak. Because he's all trying to sneak his ass up out of it without getting any blow. Ain't a man.

Yeah. He needs to stop this. But we saw this early on, chat. And look, I get it. I get it. He won a championship. If he wants to leave, he can leave. Most of the time, a lot of times,

you see what Kevin Durant did. Kevin Durant played his contract out. LeBron has played every last one of his contracts out. Whether you like the way, how he moved around, leave Cleveland, go to Miami, leave Miami, go back to Cleveland, leave Cleveland go to L.A. Every single time, LeBron James has never asked for a trade,

and he's never, and he's never, not played his contract out. to Rand when he left, now obviously he left the nets, he got traded. He left Phoenix. He got traded. Yonis has earned the right. If Yonis wants to leave, he's done that. But bro, just go ahead and says, yes, my time is up here. This notion that my wife is going to determine where we go, if we go, my agent is handling all this. This is at your behest. And it's okay, y'all. It's okay. No, No matter what you do. No matter how good it is. No matter how well intended it is, somebody is going to be opposed to what you do. I give somebody, I give million dollars to

AAS Foundation. I give 20 million dollars to the N-A-CP. I give two million dollars to the ASPCA. Somebody's going to say, well, why didn't you give this? They didn't need to give that. Why do you give this? Why do you didn't give that? Somebody is going to be opposed to everything we do. Go ahead, Joe. But everything you just said, Unka's right. Everything you said is just right. But with most players,

some players are willing to take the backlash, Uncle Joe. Some players are okay with not being like, Uncle Joe. Some players are. But Janus is one who's always been a fan favorite. He's always been a fan favorite

and he wants to remain a fan favorite, even if he's not playing in Milwaukee. So what does he have to do? He's saying certain things to let people know, listen, if anything happens, if I'm traded,

listen, it's not me. It was them. So you can see. still be a friend of mind. Listen, when he's gone, whenever he ends up in the 305, they still going to burn a jersey. Hey, hey. There's nothing to you going to do about. Hey, hey, to yonis, bro, it ain't going to make you no bad brother, bro. You know what I mean? Listen, let me tell you something. Like, Aung say, hell, they're going to talk about you anyway. You hear me? It's always going to be a little backlash. You know, I just think in this era, bro, he probably

see or hear more, more negative stuff than positives. But, man, if I'm him, bro, I'm from the start the second half of my career and obviously try to do it somewhere where I know where I feel like I can win a title whether it's Boston or if you think you got a chance to go to Miami. Hey man, this is part of it. To whom much is given, much is required and this is part of his greatness that he has to go through. Well, as y'all know, I've said it multiple times. I've said it over over the months, you know, obviously during the season when the regular season was here, what was going to happen? You know, the sources that I do have, they, they know what they're talking about, which is why I come on here and say

some things that I've said. And again, with the reports are surfacing again, and all the other stuff, all the other stuff with Boston and him going anywhere, none of that is going to happen. That's just to create a dialogue to keep the people guessing on where you might go. Hey, Uncle Joe, listen,

I might act a fool or play a fool anytime I say anything about somebody going somewhere, 98% of the time I've been right, whether it's regarding basketball, with him. Yeah. Hey, hey,

you might not be, you might not be a damn fool, but you're a fool now. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey,

come up, talk to me, Joe. Take a time. You might not be no fool time. You don't work overtime at the job,

but you, you helped your part. You'd have your part time. I think that, the problem that Yonis ran into, Yonis says he didn't want to go join anybody else. Yeah.

He wanted them to come to Milwaukee. But as everybody, saw, it's hard to get team players, superstar players, to come join you in Milwaukee. Come join you in Cleveland. Couldn't join you in OKC. Come join you. If you're not L.A., you're not New York, you not Miami, how the hell are you going to get somebody to come there?

You're not. So it sounded good because guess what? LeBron and Katie were getting hammered by leaving going to link up with others. And he's like, I don't want that. Because everybody, he was but loved. Everybody loved KD in OKC until he left. Everybody loved LeBron and Cleveland until he left. Yeah.

It'd have been the same way with Kobe. Had Kobe gotten his request, gotten traded to go to Chicago, they'd have disliked him. But he stuck it out and he won again and he retired there. That's just the way it is, Yonis. And it's okay. Everybody is not going to like you or like the decisions you make.

You've got to make the decision, being a man, being the head of your family and the head of your brand, you've got to make the decision that is best in the interest of Janus and Janus' family. That's it. If they boo you, when you go back to Merrill Walk, I'm sure you're going to get a smattering of booze, but I believe you'll get more praised than booed.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's okay. And you know what else? What's that? Uncle Joe, if you look at Miami, look at the lands. of the team, obviously the way Miami is constructed right now, BAM is a great player,

you know, the players that they had there, but those aren't, that's not the type of team that constructed that can attract other people and want them to come there. I think with BAM coming there, I think the attraction of players wanting to come play in Miami and understanding, okay, we have Janus. If we build out, you know, get another piece or two, we have a chance to contend coming out to east again. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen, if they can find a way to, if the heat can find a way to get Janus and

and pair him with Bam, okay, Ocho. Woo! That'll be, that's... We need, Joe, we need one more piece, Joe. I think, I think y'all might... We need somebody to facilitate, Joe. We need somebody to facilitate. I think if y'all able to get y'all,

it's pata has something else up his sleeve, too. Because you got to... The lead today is too guard-driven, too guard heavy for you not to have a guard. You can put pressure on an opposing team. Like, hey, hey, them come down, set up, set a play, them guys long gone. And to calm your nerves.

Yeah. Yeah. Because think about it. Everybody loved Kauai in San Antonio until he did what, Joe? Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, Pop got on the mic and told him to stop. Booing. Yeah.

They loved Kauai. He was a finals MVP. He was a two-time defensive player of the year. But when he wanted out, they're like later for you. You don't want to be here. We don't want you here. Boo. Right.

Listen, the fans do feel a sense. And I think the only one that I can remember that, I mean, maybe it's different than football because I don't think Tom Brady got in the booed. Maybe he got a little, maybe booed, it wasn't enough. Or Peyton, when he went back to Indy, he didn't get a whole lot. But in basketball, John is just prepare yourself for it. Go ahead. The booze aren't really bulls, bro.

Those are the people who really loved you. You know what I mean? And they still do, but this is their way of showing it. You broke it on? You know what I mean? Real talk. That's what the bulls are. So he may get a few bulls when he go back,

but everything that he's done for Milwaukee for the Bugs, bro. Come on. Man and won a title, MVP. Like, they're going to love you, bro. They're going to love you. Hey, it happened. I'm sure that I'm absolutely certain. They booed Kareen.

Yeah. And Kareen was a three-time. league MVP. One of finals MVP, and he went to another finals. They booed him. It's hard for me to say, hey, you could toss it up. You could say Yonis is a better player than Milwaukee. You could say Kareem, but both are going, I know for certain Kareem got booed, even though, hey, probably wasn't a whole lot of footage of it, but Yonis, you're going to get booed, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you know what it's like, you break up with your girl and she do stuff, she do stuff. She ain't, it ain't, it ain't really.

You is that she can't be with you. Y'all was together and she saw you know, Ocho. Bro, I was with you. I was in college. You weren't doing it like you doing it now. Hello. Everybody didn't know Ocho. Yeah.

I was with you with your name was Chadwick Johnson. Hey, take your time. Take your time. Now all of a sudden you, Ocho, you go by one name, Ocho. Yeah. That's it. Oh, now, see, I remember you the Little Rock Arkansas. Hello.

Your name was Joseph Johnson. Now you go by ISO, you ain't got no more time for me. Oh, hello. Oh, okay. Hello. Sure. Okay. So I will act a fool on you.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Yeah. It's Sunday. Go ahead. Take your time.

It's okay. Because here's the thing. When a team trades a player, they don't boo the team. Nope. But see, that's how it is. See, breaking up is easy if you're the one doing the breaking up. Hello. Hello.

You ever notice that? Yeah. When someone is ready to move on, guess what? They, hey, block you, change their number, do all of that. Yeah. Delete everything on their social media page and everything. That's what they wanted to do.

Yeah. Hey, and, hey, listen, and let me tell you something. Just to add a little salt and pepper to what you're talking about. It's easy to do with due to breaking up when you got a plan to be waiting on you. Hello. Hello. Huh? There are very few people that leave a job without having a job lined up.

you be damn food. They have a $250,000 or a $500,000 job, quit it with not another $250,000 job. Maybe a $750,000 wait for you. Hello. That's just the way it works. That's why they say to burn the hand is better than two in the bush. Well, if I sit this damn one down,

you best believe I got these two. I got these two under my foot. I might not have it in my hand, but I got these two under my damn food. Hold on. Now bring that back. Come on, let me put this in my nose now. Hold on.

Wait, say it again. The bird in the head is better than two in the bush. Yeah, but you guess what? I got that two under my foot, Joe. They ain't in the bush. They're under my foot. Because if I let this mofo go, you best believe I'm going to reach that day

right here. A bird in, you said two birds or just one bird. A bird's better than two in the bush. Because you remember the story when the wise man, he came along. A wise man, he had a bird in his hand. Yeah. Well, the wise man were coming home,

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Mm. You control his faith. Mm. Yonis, the bird is in your hand. Yeah. So no matter how you try to put it on your wife, no matter how you try to put it on your agent, you control your death. Absolutely. Hey, see, unc don't even realize, Joe.

Unc don't even realize that transition he just did. a DJ. He transitioned from the bird in the hand and then looped it into the Yonnas situation. Hey, uncle, boy, if I had an offer in plate, boy, I'd see you some money, right? Oh, Red and Sharp over there. Yeah. Yeah, yes, he did. It's Sunday, too, now.

Hey, it's Sunday, too, now. Yeah. You know, that's the, that's the thing. I think the thing is that. And eventually, guess what? They'll come back around. Yep. Because remember the second time when Braun came back to Cleveland? Yep. And ain't nobody

they get more crucified than Brun when he left with... Boy, they burned the Jersey. They hated him. It was worse. It was worse. Blah, blah, blah. Even the owner took out a full page, called him the phony king and this and that.

Yes. It would never be that bad, bro. Straight up. No, no, no, no, no. No. No. He had to go through the rigorous to torture. Ooh, they did it.

But, but, but... Look how God fixed it. Yep. He had to get on the flight and go to Fort Lauderdale and meet with Rich Paul and Braun, didn't it? Yeah. Look how God fixed it. Yeah.

Head across the same bridge. You damn, they burned down. That's what I'm saying, Joe. The man, the Bible teacher says, look here, if you vowed before me, I'll stand with you. And if I stand for you, can't nobody stand against you. That's what the Bible teaches us. I know I joke a lot. But I don't really talk about that side because, you know, Joe and Ocho pull, they pull that old.

I'd be trying to do right. I want to do right, y'all. Yeah. But, man, I got these two jokers. Here, they won't. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, whoa, whoa. You talking about Joe, that Joe don't be doing right.

See, I don't like how you be trying to point the finger to neither, Ocho. Take responsibility. Take accountability and things that you're doing the same. Joe, we would never like this until you can. My thing is I'm just having to be easily influenced. That's all my thing. Right, right, right. I try to walk in the straight now and here come old crooked Joe.

Pulling me off in the, so basically, basically you're saying you're trying to do right, but you're surrounded by wrong. Yes. No, yeah, no, you, you, you're the wrong. Oh, you're the dog. You're the dog. Yeah, you don't. No, Joe, Joe, when you got here, I started acting a fool.

I ain't never been like this before until you got here. Oh, Joe, it's Sunday, bro. Don't be, chat, no, come on, chat. Y'all heard your song. So much trouble in my way, I got to pray sometimes. So much trouble. trouble in my way. I got to cry sometimes.

I got to cry some. So much trouble. Hey. That's your. Ah. Hey, what you mean me? That's it. That's you.

And this man, instead of deflecting, boy, listen. Yeah, because, Joe, I promise you, Joe, I promise you. When I was on here, I was,

I was a good pupil. Huh? I was like a choir boy. All of a sudden, you came in here, you know, with some of these ideas, some of the things that you're saying,

and it just, like, I was, I was talking about it. How many times, Ocho? Me and you had nothing dropped it. I said, Ocho, I had to say, Ocho, let's drop the Houston thing. Okay, okay, okay, okay, we done with it.

Hey, who bought it up? Hey, you know, your birthday, Friday, you can shoot from LA to Houston, we get a night in and you, I'm not what you am, Joe. Hey, hey, I'm glad, I'm glad I'm glad I know y'all are true colors, y'all are true size, because I can't do nothing with you, boy. with you, boy, boy, can I see how y'all are. I see how y'all are, hey, I was just thinking, you know, Houston, I mean, Houston on my birthday, it don't sound like a bad idea. You know what I'm talking about? See what I'm talking about? See what I'm talking about?

Hey, I mean, you put it out there, Joe, or you put it out there. Hold on, hey, when your birthday, Joe? Oh, I mean, on a what? On the Friday. What's the date? The date. Okay, yeah, I can make that. I can make that. I can only, I can only stay one day. That's all I got to get back to mine. Hey.

Okay. Man, look here. I got a, this might be a throwaway hand. I don't even know if I got a possible. I don't even know if I got a possible date. It might be a throwaway. I might have like six or seven hours. Hey, hey, y'all,

and y'all let me know what we're going to do that because I got to be back in Miami on 27. Portugal play Columbia. I can't miss that match. But I could do 24 hours in Houston, though. Hey, man, you know, look at it. Look at it. Look at it.

Hey, y'all just be talking outside of your neck. Y'all ain't really talking about that. Joe, Joe, I'm ready, Joe. If you're going to make a mood, let me know. Yeah, we're going to make a mood. Let me know, Joe. Hey, I get everything situated. I just need to have my seat to jump on it.

Because, you know, who, woo, woo. I ain't bad. H-Town, we'll be there. Oh, Lord. Hey, listen. We can't announce. Joe, we got. We got.

Body rocking, knock and no boots. Let's go. Hey, you heard me, Joe. Joe, John, my aunt. Hey, the restaurants shall you want to go to, let me know ahead of time. No, no. No, no. No.

There's you on, other city. Unk, other city. I don't really know a whole lot about Houston like that. I want y'all to show me around, though. I don't know nothing about Houston. Oh, I got that. I got that. I got to make sure be good.

I ain't up in out of Houston. Hey, Unk. Hey, Uncle Joe, I got you. I got you. I got you. I got all the people I need to talk to to to make sure we good. You know, we're walking through the back, though. Going to enjoy yourself, we ain't got to be bothered.

You know, we can use our peripheral vision. I mean, that's it. Yeah, I got you. I got you. Okay. And don't forget, we got to hit Area 29 Friday night. All right, man. I'm, oh, what's on?

They're going to have a section rope, dog, they're going to have a section rope lost for us and everything. Damn. They're going to have a section rope down for all that. Oh, Lord, have mercy. Oh, yeah, for us? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a big three.

Like, we're coming to like three kings. But Joe, we're going to have security. Like, well, people, we want to, you know how Michael Jackson? Yeah. You know how he walked? You know, a Ford walked through and he got like, they're going to surrender. They're going to have it like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, like that, Joe. Oh, we. Hey, we ain't famous yet, but we won't act like. Hey, say, hey, my grandma used to tell me, you got to put claim on it. You know what I mean? You got to, you got to speaking into existence. You got to put claim on it.

I tell you, I get, hey, Uncle Joe, I give us another year. I give us another year. We won't be able to fly, we won't be able to fly. We won't have a nightcap, Jay. Watch. Man, we ain't going to be able to fly commercial. We're going to be able to go in public. I'll tell you, they're going to be swimming.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, oh, bad. Then you go bad. All right. All right. Why did I tell you?

Oh, Lord, that mercy. Oh, hey. But you don't stop this. According to Jake Fisher, the Bucs have set an unrealistic asking price for Yonis. The Bugs naturally won as much as they can get if they're parting with the face of their franchise. So what constitutes unrealistic?

Sources say Milwaukee has been asking team for a return would leave any club acquiring Yonis, barren, too barren to contend for a championship, which is the precise opportunity, Yonis is known to be seeking if he's going to finally leave being a Brutown after 13th season and commit to a long-term extension with a new team. Joe, is trading Yonis too risky for the Bucs to want to clean your organization out? Yeah, it's very risky for the Bucks because it's not a huge market,

Uncle Ocho. So they know, damn, we ain't going to really be able to get no free agents, so we got to get players through the job. draft. This is probably why they want a lot of draft compensation, you know, to where they can be high in the lottery to some degree. Because without that, bro, you don't give free agencies unless, unless you overpay for them. That's what these small markets have to do. So, yeah. Hey, look, my asking price would be a lot too, hell, if I'm a small market. Prime example. Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks. What did they do to the Knicks?

Yeah. They ain't had no. bench, huh? Gutted them. Yeah. They ain't. Gutted them. Yeah. And that's the precise.

I'm not trading you, listen, I'm not trading you my best to make you stronger. Hello. He's going to, my job is to put him in a worse situation. Carmelo didn't know it. He was in a worse situation in New York than he was in Denver. Yeah. Hmm. My job, if I'm the, if I'm the, uh, Bucks, I'm going to put you in a worse.

You thought it was bad here. All you did was change locations, but it's worse. Yeah, I think when you think about it, though, for Mello, being from, you know, up north, Baltimore, getting the chance to play in New York, I think he probably would have traded. Even knowing what he know now, OK, Ocho, he'd trade that to play for the Knicks. Yeah. Yeah. He'd traded that. He'd traded it for that.

So. I think the thing is, is that, yeah, prior to his. seeing LeBron then win championships, seeing Bosch win championships, seeing D-Wa winning championships. Now I got to reassess because now people look at me like,

hold on, I'm supposed to be in that big five. We've been kicked dark old Milichick out. So now the part of that big five, now it's the big four. I'm the only one that's barren. Granted, he made the top 75. Deservedly so.

Multiple time, what? 10, 11 time, all-star, all NBA selection, 20 plus 25, I think 25, 26,000 career points. What's the only thing that's missing on his resume that the guy that he came in with? Because really, that's how you look at it. You look at it again, because you always mention,

you know exactly who came in your draft class. Oh, yeah. You know exactly receiving that came in your draft class. Yes, sir, yes, sir. And not only that, Uncle Ocho, not only do you know, but Carmelo came in in 03, in 03, bro, that's one of the most historic draft classes, It's probably after the 96th draft.

After the 96 draft class, then probably the 03. Or what you call them? Or the 84 draft with Jordan, Elijah, one, Barclay, Stockton. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, damn. I was three. I was three then. I ain't got about that one. That's a hell of a draft, too.

That 96th draft was, oh, man. You're talking about Hall of Famers, I mean, just iconic, iconic cast. Yes. came through. Yeah, who I grew up watching play, bro. It was, I mean, wow. But yeah, they're right there. I think that's the thing. And that's what happens. Joe, your hawks just made a trade. The Oklahoma City Thunder are finalizing the trade just saying guard, Aaron Wiggins to the Hawks for two second round picks in Atlanta's 2030 and the least favorable of the Hawks Lakers in 2032. Wiggins drafted number 55 overall in 2021, development to a championship role player

culture now moves to an up-and-coming Alkstein, a guy that can defeat a 3-and-D guy, Joe. Yep. Hey, hey, I love that pickup. You know, you think about what Quinn Snyder is trying to do over there, bro. He's getting a lot of like-sized cats

who can play on both hands of the floor. Uncle Joe. Switching them. Yeah, hey, they shoot the three a lot, so they get these 3-D guys, guys who can guard and get out, hit them wings, spot up and shoot. So, and he's tried and tested won a championship, so now I'm

for Wiggins, bro. He probably want to try and show a different side of him, you know, obviously to what he has to offer to the game. So I'm excited for the Hawks, bro. That's a huge pickup. Oh, they're not done. They're going to have to trade some more players, too. Oh, yeah.

When they got those big three up under those max contract, but there's going to be some other players. Yeah. There's going to be some other players leave. Yeah. And that's the thing. You better maximize it while you can. Because, see, the thing is that help Golden State is that what Steph was on that

Bored Jive contract because of his ankles. Yeah. And so I was able to sign Clay, I was able to give Draymond some money, and I was able to bring KD in. Yeah. Now, just imagine if Steph had been healthy all this time, they'll have to give them a max contract, which makes it kind of hard to not only give Step, give a Draymond and Clay Max contract, but the brand KD in. Yeah.

Yeah. I think when you look at O'KC, it's definitely not done Uncle Ocho because I think what they got like two or three first. round picks. They got three. Yeah, so they got to get up off about at least three of those guys. They got over there right now. Yep. So Wiggins is just to start.

They got to give up at least two more, you know, probably more, two more key pieces to what it is they've done over the past some of our years. They've got to get two of those guys up, bro. I can see a situation where Doord is not there. I think Casey Wallace. I think he's the prime contender not to be there. Yeah. And I think in your situation, I think Kaminga, I think they're going to move on from

Kaminga. Yeah, I think... Already? Yeah. Because I... If I had just looking at reading the tea leaves and just looking at the landscape, I don't know, Joe, you might have something different, but I can see that happening. Yeah, because I, you know what?

I'm not sure what his asking price is, Uncle Ocho. But, you know, I think he still has a lot of value to him. I mean, hell, I ain't going to lie. I would like to see him stay in Atlanta, but from the rumors I've been... obviously seeing online and things of sort, these rumors come from somewhere, bro. So, you know, it wouldn't shock me. Entering the offseason, OKC had a projected penalty tax

of $213 million. The trade reduces that number to $152 million. And guess what? I'm going to try to get that thing down to under $100 million, Joe. Yeah. So I need to get off Wallace. I'm going to need to get off Ludo. I might have to get off Hardin's stuff.

because think about it. I got $2.90 tied up in shape. I got $2.45 tied up in J. Dub. I got another $2.305, $2.40 tied up in Chit. So you want me to pay that salary and the penalty on top of that? All of them guys you just mentioned, those are all of our blue-collar hardworking cats. If you give up all them, you might not even be at the top of the Western Conference. You need some of those guys, bro.

Joe, I'm not going to pay that. You got me paying out. Hey, look here. Okay, well, I'm going to have to get rid of CEO, a CFO, and a C-O-O. Now, which one going going to? Che, Shea, or J-dub? Which one you want me to get rid of, Joe? What, hell, I could tell you the first one who's going to be out of the dough.

That's the best with the way they played in the playoffs. And I don't mean to be rude and I don't mean to be disrespectful. Who? Chet. I'm going to call him the stick man. Uh, check. Man, they're not getting rid of that, man. Y'all tripping.

Y'all tripping. They ain't getting rid of check, bro. Them, them three with Jalen and check and Shay, they ain't going nowhere. You got to try to keep. Obviously, you're going to probably keep Caruso. I know you're going to have to give up Wallace or Lou Dork. I don't know if you got to give up both of them on. The trade opened up a roster spark for the Thunder.

Now they have 14 players under contract, including Lou Dort, Isaiah Hardenstein and Kendrick Williams. The three have a team option for next season. I can see them move in Doherton. Yeah. Hardinstein, that's a possibility too. Ain't Hardinstein? Right now, as we said, your tax is $152 million.

I'm paying $152 million for what, Joe? I got lost in the Western Conference Finals. And you was awesome. You know what? I could probably see that, Joe. I probably could get off that, Joe, and Ocho. if I won the NBA championship. It's hard to digest, Joe, in OKC.

I'm not in New York. I'm not in L.A. I'm not in Boston. Ain't a whole lot of big businesses out there that won't slap their name on something. Yeah, I'm tied to the Thunder. Yeah, no, no, I understand that part, but that's a slippery slope, too,

because they were hampered by injuries, and we know that by key players. So it's tough. Yeah, you made it, you won seven games with the spurs and you ain't have your, what, your second leading score nor your fourth leading score.

You know what I mean? So I think if I'm okay, see, I still got a lot I can hang my hat on. You know what I mean? But here's the problem, Joe, that you run into. My third leading score was supposed to step up and beat my second leading score

and I wasn't supposed to miss a beat. Right. Now, what I'm supposed to do about that? You got to hope his ass get better. He got to get better, bro. Like, I think in a lot of these playoff moments, especially when it gets tough,

for guys sometimes, you know, you have to really look yourself in the mirror and say, damn, I got to get better, bro. I got to get stronger. I got to be more dominant, you know, when it comes down late in the season. Because we're all tired and banged up. But, man, they pay you the big bucks, bro, to be able to come through in the clutch. Big bucks and no way of this. Yeah, I didn't think check, check didn't give him, he didn't give him Nate Thangier.

I mean, it was just tough, bro. It was tough for him the whole series. So if I'm checked, I'm in the gym right now working out. I'm talking about I'm coming in the next season. I'm talking about, hey, I'm going to show up and show out. Yeah. No, I should, he should be eating protein. He probably should be getting like 250 grams, 20 grams of protein today.

He probably puts a weight on his ass. He probably is, man, doing the 200 push of the day, you know, making sure he'd get right. You know what I mean? Check, come on, man. Help your boy out. Joe, but if you look at his frame, Ocho, Joe, he only going to be so big. As a matter of fact, his frame might be smaller than KD. And you see KD been in the league 19, 20 years,

and don't look like he gained two ounces. Yeah. You know, and the thing about it, too, also Uncle Joe, is he can keep that small frame. He can keep that small frame knowing that that's as big as he's going to get, but it can get much stronger than what he is. Yeah. You can still have a small frame and still be extremely strong.

He just doesn't have that. Hey, Ann, I think what we really lose sight of is that, damn, he was playing against the Wimby, bro. You know, it ain't but one damn whimby. It ain't, you know, you only got to play against him a few times in a year. Yeah, I know if you meet him in the playoffs, that's one thing. But he's still going to be a great player, guys. You know what I mean?

He ain't like he ain't going to be no damn good. Wimby wasn't. He wouldn't even shoot the ball. Hey, hold on, Joe. Wait a minute. You say it's only one player. Think how many times he's going to have to face Wimby when it matters most. Yeah, he's going to.

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I train for and you can't find. What that is? Heart. There you go. Can't measure them. Because you got this man or you, you don't want to shoot the ball. Yeah. You know, you're not attacking him.

You're not doing nothing. You ain't even going into your toolbox. You just get the ball up. That's why he's in the lab now, bro. He getting right. He getting right. Hey, hey, hey, he hears him. He hears him.

He's going to bounce back. You don't bounce back. I sure hope so. But the thing is, Joe, I think everybody's going to get better. I don't think the Timber Woods are going to stand pat. I don't think the nuggets are going to stand, Pat.

No. I don't know what the lake is going to do. Will you hear all these trail about kaleware and possibly add Lou Doort and some of this? I don't know. But the West, I promise you, the West isn't getting any easier. Ooh. It's not. It ain't, right.

And so that's what I'm saying. When this opportunity presents itself, you've got to cash in because you don't know. You don't. You just don't. So we're gonna say, hey, the draft is Tuesday. Things are gonna start brewing tomorrow and Tuesday, things are gonna start picking up. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you're right. They're gonna start picking up. I think, I think, I think, y'allens probably will be moved before the draft if y'all want me to be 100. So he's gonna be moved in the next 24 hours? Hey, Joe. Yeah. What did I tell you?

What? What? I ain't never steered you wrong, huh? Now, Jesus got the wheel and, this car, I'm driving, 42 to 48 to 72 hours, Yon is going to be gone. Yeah, they probably in the last hour, okay,

Ojo, right before, you know, right before you know, right before they're going to have something for him. The Timberwoods reportedly would only trade Jadennaudan for Nicola Yolkich or Yonis. Well, he's going to be on your team then. Other teams of the Bockeyeye, Minnesota, is made essentially untradable unless for a blockbuster

trade involved in Bionis or Nicola Yokic. Hey, hey, Hey, you got to respect it because they're keeping it 100. Hell, they, outside of that, they ain't trading, he ain't going nowhere. He ain't going to over. Because I know damn show, the Nuggets ain't going to trade Yolkich. They wouldn't trade Yolkich for no player in the league. There's not a player in the league.

Not Shea, not Wimby, not, not Brunson. They would not trade him for anybody. I agree. And neither would I. Man. No. Too special. Too valuable.

Too special, too valuable, and you can't replace you. Well, you look at McDaniels, you're talking about a guy, a legit 3-and-D guy. Yeah. I mean, the job, that job that he did on Murray needs to be studied. Yeah, yeah. And then he came up with big shots. Then he made big play after big play after big play. I understand his value to the team.

Yeah. Playing him alongside Aunt. Now, the question is, Drew Randall gave you nothing. Yeah. I ain't never seen a magician that tall. Copperfield isn't that far tall. You got a cheer. You got to you.

Hedding isn't that tall. Houdini. Normally magicians are small because they got a fitness up. I ain't never seen a 6-9 magician. Yeah. But that man disappeared in front of everybody. It normally is slide a hand. You know, I'll show you something over here, Cho.

And I'm moving something over here. This man, 6-9, with a tank top on. and disappeared right before eyes. Yeah. Hey, listen. On the J. McDaniel, though, if his offensive game can catch up with his defense

and be consistent, Arcan Ocho, we're talking about the next Scotty Pippin type of guy, you know, especially playing with Ant Man. You know, I know, I know that that's high regards, but that's the potential that I see in Jay and Daniel, bro. It'll be hard to get off him playing next to Ant Man,

and he pick his offense. the game up. I'm talking about being consistent every night to where you know you're going to get about 20 to 23 points from him a night. No, just give me 18 to 20, Joe. Just give me 18 to 20. 18 on high efficiency.

Because you know, Antman, Amman going to shoot 6 to 7 threes a night. Yeah. Yeah, Edman trying to get 30 every night. Yeah. Every single night.

The question is, and you know what you go. First of all, you already know what you're getting for Rudy Gold. He's not an offensive threat. He's going to anchor your defense. If he gives your 8 to 10 points, you gladly accept it. But you want him to give you somewhere between 10 to 13 rebounds of night.

Block you two to three shots. That's a good evening for him. The problem is, what are they going to do? What are they going to do at the four? Are they going to bring Randall back? Because he was very, very inconsistent. Everybody thought, Oh boy, Minnesota made out with this trade.

They got rid of cat. Yeah, you're happy with that? Hold on, but is he a free agent, though? I don't think you know. No, I don't think so, no. I think they're going to tweak their roster, though. I don't know what they're going to do, but I for sure think they're going to tweak it.

You don't like Julius Randolph? He inconsistent, man. Yeah. Champions, you got to be consistent. He wasn't consistent. Right. Files, he take terror, his shot selection, not the best. There's a lot to be desired with him.

Yeah. And the problem is, the problem is here, one more time, and this, you know, hey, the record isn't scratch. The problem is, is that he's with Kobe. He thinks, Kobe, mama mentality, bro, you're not Kobe. That is the problem. That would be like me. Hey, I'm getting a tutorial from Warren Buffett and all of a sudden, I think I can invest like him. bro y'all gotta stop this i understand the game and he wants you cobi wanted you guys to take the game serious he wanted you to put time but your skill level isn't that yeah and you go out there jacking up wild shots to do it all this foolishness just because Kobe told you to mm-mm

no yeah damn they're gonna make some changes though they're gonna make some change they need to yeah Because we saw right now, Joe, they're not close to San Antonio. Nah, and. And they're not close to OKC. Yeah. And they're going to lose some key pieces like I. the IEO kid.

You're going to lose him. Yeah, you're going to lose him to free agency because I think he's a free agent. Somebody's going to pay him some big money. How soon did Devo come back, Devin Chimzo? Oh, you know, he probably, he ain't coming back. He probably ain't coming back this, you know what I mean? at bare minimum, what, March, April? Yeah.

And that point in time, you're like, what I got to play for? So that's them, them two key contributors to what it is that they've done this year. So that's going to be tough, bro. But, you know, you look at the Shannon kid who stepped up in the postseason, Ocho. I'm sure he's going to be in rotation when season started now. They need to get, they need to get another guard too. I think it's kind of run its course with Carly.

Yeah. Or Conley just being a hell of a backup. Yeah. Be a mentor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then who you go get, though?

I've been seeing the rummelism. The giddy kid out of Chicago? Giddy. Yeah. See, my thing, I like giddy. But I think, you know, his offensive repertoire got pretty good in Chicago. But, hell, you ain't, you ain't playing with no damn body. You ain't got no real talent around you.

And when he was playing with great talent at OKC, his shot wasn't like that. You know what I mean? It's different. Well, that's why I had to. Because the thing, Joe, he needs the ball. Yeah. He wasn't going to have a ball in OKC, not with Shea doing that. No.

So we might as look. Now you put him in, he was with a, wasn't he with a Levine? I think he was with DeRosen. They had a nice little school. Kobe White. Yeah. They had a nice little squad, Joe. Yeah.

But they wasn't going to really do no damage. No. They have Busevich. And, and, okay, Ocho here, you losing damn there every night, man. You ain't really on the scouting report like that. Like, it's different when you start playing, you know, meaningful basketball. You know, if he go over to Minnesota, now, you know, we understand Amman is the focal point, but, man, I don't know, bro.

I don't really know. I like Josh Giddy, but I don't know if he's going to fit well in Minnesota playing next to end. you got to do something. But they got to get better. They got to get better. And the team's like, man, we're close. We look. I think, I think Denver,

I think there's two central figures. I think with Murray and Yoke. They got to keep Gordon healthy. That is the key. You talk about a big body guy that can rebound the basketball. He can get you. And the way he's turned himself

into a three-point shooter, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't that in Orlando. Nah, no. Hey, his game has evolved. Oh, oh, hey, when you want to be great in his league or as a professional in any sport, man, you got to put the damn work in, bro.

You know, a lot of these cats come in with broken jump shots. It's just because it lacks consistency. You know, me, when you turn pro, hell, that's all you do. You wake up, go to the gym, get your damn shots up, go home, take a nap, come back, shoot some more jump shots. This is your job. That's why it's hard, man, when I watch guys these days who can't make a damn shot, man,

when ain't nobody guarding you. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, the league has changed. It's perimeter oriented now. Bro, ain't no way you're supposed to be out there and not be a threat offensively. The problem is what's so hard, Joe,

when you're so much better than everybody else, what am I working on? I get by you with my first move. I can beat you with my second move. I can beat you with it. Any move I won't. Now you get to the next, level. And that first move, uh-uh.

Second one, uh-uh. See, it's, when things are going well, what do we work on? And that's what the greats do. You don't work on your stuff during the season. You work on your game in the opposite. Yeah. They say you prepare for war, not in time of war, but when there is

no war. Yeah. And whatever your damn weaknesses are, you want to try and turn them into a damn strength. Yes. If I know I'd have shot 20% from the three this past season, I'm going to get my, I'm getting them jambles up every day. Yes, sir. That's all I'm saying, bro.

That's all it takes. It takes repetitions, reps, reps, reps. But just going to, but here's a thing, no, Joe. Are you going to the gym out of habit or are you working hard? Because sometimes you can mistake habit for hard work. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on, Ann, hold on, uh-huh.

Hold on, Joe. You got a lot of people going, you know, whether you play football, whether you play, no matter what sports you play, a lot of what people go out there and work out, but don't know what they're working out and working on. You got to work on Pacific things based on your game. You know, if you play receiver, you're doing stuff, you know, that you know your team, they don't need you to do that

because they're not going to put you in old positions to run those routes and run those plays. You got to work on what you're going to do once you go back in that structure environment. Thank you. agree. That's it. That's it.

I only work no things in the offseason that I'm going to be doing in the game. Why am I working on something? They ain't been to have me doing it in the game. Why am I out there running where I run on a shake? You ain't going to let me run no damn. Mike ain't going to let me run no shake in the game. Yeah. I might run.

He might let me run a dig or a comeback or square out. Okay, so I'm going to work on that. I ain't running no damn shake. I'm working on Walros. I'm working on Sauros. I'm working on something. I know that they're going to call in the game to give me an opportunity to get open.

Yeah. And, you know, and we're speaking on working out, Joe, you know something I do hate, and it really hurts my nerve. I'm looking at some of these big receivers, some of these receivers that aren't really twitchy, and they got them doing stuff that small receivers do. Knowing that all it's creating, I'm just being honest, Uncle Joe,

all that's doing is creating bad habits. Once you get back to that structuring environment and you're playing against smaller corners and you sit here doing all this, and you get jammed up at the line and wonder why you can't get the hell open. Boy, you better for a little bit, oh boy and get him up out of the way.

Yeah. Knowing you, you ain't got the skill set to be doing all that pretty stuff. You hear three, two, 35, but you try to run rods like J.S.E. It has never happened. It never. Listen, there's one Julio Jones.

Yeah. Yeah. Most of the guys, but you look at, I mean, and T.O. could run, Brown said his size, but Tio wasn't as big as Tio wasn't as big as Julio. Julio's about 225. I think Tio probably played around 215.

Yeah. Tio was really, was really muscular, but he wasn't dense like Julio. Man, Julio was, yeah. Julio is a huge. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Hey, same thing.

Same thing with basketball. I mean, you got these guys who are really three and D guys and ball handling anything, thing, but all you see them doing is dribbling drill, Euro step. And I'm like, yeah, man, you need to profil. at them, that corner three down to where, hell, if you miss his luck, you feel what I'm saying? Like, you got to perfect it, bro, because a lot of times, like we all say, or like I've been telling y'all, yeah, when you first coming to the NBA, that's probably going to be the only shot you're going to get.

You're going to be one of them corner boys where you just stand on the, stand in the corner so you out the damn way. And when that ball find you, you may not get but five reps a game, three reps a game. Hell, you need to be making more than half of them. Right. Have them, yeah. Hey, you ain't see Megatron running all them, them do, JSC and Routes?

What beggar trying running? Slan, jump ball, go. Yeah. Hey, that deep dig route? Yes. Hey, catching that thing, Joe, and going to coming out the back door. I see you. You got Megatron trying to run a, try to run a Zaro.

Right. You got the Megatron try to run whip routes at 240 pounds. man let that man get a hair to steam and get down the damn field. What he does best? And let J.S.C. Do what he does. Right.

Whatever you're good at, yeah, we're going to, hey, but whatever you're good at, we want you to be great at it. And we're going to put you in situations. You see what they do. What is puka? Pooka, they put Pook in a situation. Pooka going to make contub, contesting catches. You got to in that offense.

Yeah. Yeah. Look at that offense. Look at his, Cooper Cup, Landy Lee, tough, contested catches. It's fine. Yeah. And their slots are different than most slots

because most slots are their size. Cooper Cup bigger than you think. You think Cooper, you think it's slot, you think in Edelman, you think in Almondola, you thinking Wes Welker, Brandon Stokely. They're not that. Cooper Cup is a big-ass man. Pooka the Coop is a big-ass man.

Yeah. They're not your typical. slots. Yeah. So you can't approach them like that. They're physical. They can play through contact. You've got to be because you're getting 180,

180, 100, 200 targets. You catching 120, 100, 30, 140 balls. Do you know what kind of physical toll that takes on you? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wish I did have me 100-something damn target, but. I think I think I better have 100 and something.

I think because I call 87 balls one year. I call 81. call 80, but I ain't never had no 190, 185 target. Hell no. Hey, hey, if guys getting targeted like that, they damn their force feeding you a little bit ain't a man. Oh, they're going to forfeiting you. Yeah, because you're they got. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you got a, you got a guy. Matthew Stafford, you damn right, you're getting forced to face. He's going to get to you. And then, remember, Devante goes down. Yeah. Think about how many balls Cooper Cup before OBJ got there.

Because that's why they went and got OBJ because they didn't feel they had a second or third receiver. So they had to force feed him. And, hey, but the problem is, you see what he did, it broke him down. Boy, you catching 140 balls. You catching 100 and something balls, Ocho. And even the balls, Joe, that you don't catch.

They put in Rydell and bike helmets and Swartz. I don't know what Shutt. I bet they got shuts. Now, I don't think everybody play with Ridell or bike any more, they got shuts and all those Excel helmets. They still put them embers on your ass. Yes, sir. I already know it.

They didn't hurt. You play with the right quarterback, boy. You're going to, you're going to, you're going to, Joe. Joe, Elcho, you remember when we were talking about, who was it? I think it was, Chase. One game had like 24, 25 target. I remember you say, man. Hey, that was, um, what's the name kept, Joe Flacco?

Joe Flacco kept throwing to him. It was 21 targets. Oh, Joe said, in the game, Joe's. 21? But y'all know, y'all know, you know, the league different now. It's a pass heavy league versus when y'all play. Absolutely. You know, it wasn't. Crazy. Yeah. Imagine the targets y'all are getting out of day. What?

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