Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Giants ROOKIE DUO Jaxson Dart & Cam Skattebo TAKE DOWN Eagles + Athlos Founder ALEXIS OHANIAN launches TRACK & FIELD event in NYC

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the New York Giants beating the Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday night football, Alexis Ohanian joins the show to talk about the new track league Athlos launching in New York City this Friday October 10th and talk about the exciting things coming for Track & Field and much more! 05:00 - Giants defeat Eagles 39:22 - Alexis Ohanian Joins the show! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Scat Pack was sensational 19 carries 98 yards, three touchdown. Jackson Dart 13 carries 58 yards, another touchdown. They gained 172 yards on the ground. Jackson Dart was 17 to 25, 195, one touchdown. He was sacked, but he didn't turn the ball over. And when you can turn the ball, when you can take care of the football and you play, you have a great chance of winning.

Jalen Hurst was 2433, 283, one touchdown. Ocho, what we say about that late ball if you late and inside? He's going the other way every time. And it almost did. They ran the ball 20 times for 73 yards, but they ran the tush push four times in a row. they got a touchdown on it. Dallas Guarded has seven catches,

110 yards, a touchdown. A.J. Brown has six for 80. Devonte Smith, who Jaila Hertz overthrew, would have like a 90-yard touchdown, but he had four for 49. Ocho, the Giants just, the Giants did whatever they wanted to do.

Both sides of the ball, too, at that. Both sides of the ball at that. For one, I want to talk about Jackson Dart. I want to talk about how good Jackson Dart looks as a rookie. Obviously, Russell Wilson started the season for the Giants. But when Jackson Dart got his opportunity, he came in and closed the door right behind him. Yep.

He's making the throws. He's reading. He's improvising. He's escaping. He's eluding. He's using his legs. He's using his arm. His best weapon went down with knee injury.

But you wouldn't know that his best weapon offensively outside of Scatterbo was hurt. Jackson Dart is a real deal. and he's very exciting. The combination of him and Skaterboe together, it's like two little kids. It's like two little kids out there on the playground just enjoying the game of football at the highest level.

And it's refreshing. It's refreshing for the Giants fans, as you can see and you can hear, you know, you watch the game with the sound off. But just watching the reaction and the sound of the giant. Oh, they're going, I can see the fans. When they're panning and the fans go,

I'm sure they're saying, uh, uh, uh, bull, like for some Scatterbo, scat pack was doing his thing. Jackson Dart, I'm sure they're howling Dart. Look, this was, look, and we'll get to this, Ocho, because the Eagles didn't play well, and they got some issues, and we tried to tell them about the issues that they have, but you know what,

Ocho, but you can't tell Giants fan anything because if you creak, if I critique Jalen Hertz, you don't like black people. You don't say this about white quarterback. If I critique their team, I'm jealous, I'm envious. Okay, fine. I should have your undivided attention, because I couldn't get your attention at first because you've winning and see that when you

win it you can't get nobody's attention now I should have your undivided attention because you lost twice yes the Giants they got the makings of a good team the only thing that concerns me Ocho is pressure there are times back there to Jalen Hurst would just sit down patting the ball and two of the three and two of the four pass rushes was on the ground they've got to generate pressure because they're don't have elite on the back end. And so you should be able, when you got D. Lawrence, when you got a Thibodeau, when you got a dual Carter, that should be more than enough to create pressure to create havoc and not nearly a, and I forgot, Brian Burns.

Mike Burns, yeah. That should be enough more than enough to create havoc. Not enough, havoc was created tonight. You won the game, but in order for you to keep building on this, you got 10 weeks, you got 10 days off. You get an opportunity to soak in this. I'm sure the Giants fans are going crazy, somewhat crazy because the Yankees lost last night. But if you're a giant fan, you look at Jackson Dard. You're like, man, he won his first game.

He was playing really well against the Saints. And then he started turning the ball over. If we could to protect the ball, I think we might got something. Scat Pack was doing what Scat Pack does. He runs hard. He's looking to run through, as Marshaun Lynch would say, run through a mofo face. And he runs with authority. He's looking to deliver a blow.

When he blocked, he's blocking all out. When he's running, he's running all out. He missed a couple of cuts early, but hey, all of us for giving, he's a rookie. He'll get better as time progresses. But I thought the Giants offensive line, Ocho, when we talked about, that thing was a sieve. Hey, people just coming to, hey, you're going to block him, but they did a guy. I thought they did a better job tonight of protecting Jackson Dart. He did a great job of avoiding the rush.

When he needed to run, he got out of the pocket. When he needed to throw the ball away, he threw it away. he threw it away. I like what I saw from the New York football Giants. Wondell Robinson had himself a game. A little John Humphrey, I thought he made some plays tonight, Ocho. But I mean, what can we say? The Giants, I mean, I don't think anybody really had picked the Giants to win this game, but it's just goes to show you, hey, you take care of the football, and it's a division game, Ocho, it's a rival game. You know, and you throw workers out the window when you play in a rival now.

Definitely. Well, definitely. But listen, you also understand if you're a bed man, if you're a bed man, you're definitely picking the Eagles. Yes. Well, I wonder what the line was. What was the, you know what the line was, don't you? No, I had to be proud to be, I'm thinking at least four, four and a half. Listen, you're going against a rookie quarterback, defending Super Bowl champs.

Everybody named Am I probably picked the Eagles to actually win this game. But when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who has been as exciting as he is, who has been unpredictable as he's been since he's gotten a starting job. I mean, for those who actually know and understand the game of a ball and based on the small sample side of Jackson Dart that we've been able to see, you throw caution to win when you come to bedding against the Giants, especially after tonight's performance. So going forward, you know, I think things are going to change a little bit

when it come to watching, not only watching the Giants, but putting whatever money you want to on them to win a certain game. or Pacific game at that. It seems like the line was seven, seven and a half depends on where you was betting, who you was betting, who you was betting, you know, what line you took. I'm confused, Ocho.

Talk to me. Wait, wait, before you say anything, let me get comfortable. I'm confused as of what they're doing with A.J. Brown. I watch the man run two unders in a row. I'm like, is that the only route y'all believe A.J. Brown can run. He run under. They try to run him on like a little, a little, a little six, seven yard out. But I don't see no imagination in the routes. I don't see no magic, no, no creativity

in the calls. But man, look, they run in smash concepts. They run, they run the sale and then they run, they run the spot, what we call the spot route. Or they'll run, they'll run the out and then they'll run the under. Or Devante would try to start in the slot and he'll run to fade or he'll run the smash route. I mean, he'll run and Brown would run the, I'm like, damn. Yeah. If I'm Jaylor Hurst, man, I'm tired of running these damn under routes. Give me a dig.

Give me a comeback. Give me a deep over. Give me something. Hey, run a bang. Yeah. We ain't got no bangs. Yeah, I will say they made a conscious effort to give them the ball. they made a conscious effort to get him the ball in the first half

and there was some plays that broken down where he was able to scramble out the pocket and get the ball to AJ. It wasn't many of them. But he had a better stat line this week, you know, this game. Second best most yards he's had, you know, he had that 100-yard game against the Rams where they were down by a lot of the half and then they came out and made a conscious effort. Like, we got to throw the ball because we can't run ourselves back in the ball game.

And it's like, okay, AJ. So he had six for 80. Dallas Goddard had nine for one 10. Smitty would have been over 100 had Jaylon not overthrew him. He put a little bit too much gas up on it. Devonte read a really good route, had him. I mean, he could have walked backwards and got to the end zone because it looked like his defender had fallen down, don't you know, Joe?

Yeah. When you look at the Eagles, what's going on? Clearly, clearly, that meeting didn't help. Yeah. I don't know what they discussed. I don't care to know. 34-17, it's been a while since the Eagles lost the game by that. And this game wasn't, this game wasn't, I mean,

this thing got on the head quick. Yeah, it did. It did. And I would think some, obviously, I think we'll start up front with some of the pieces to that offensive line being missing small holes that you try to cover up, you know, weak lengths that you try to cover up, but you just can't. There's a reason why Sequin Barkley. isn't being as successful in the running game as he was last year.

He wasn't, Ocho. You knew that. Ocho, you thought they were going to let that man come back and rush for another 2000? Hey, you do understand the Eagles do have the best officer line in the league. Yes, but he was going to make a concerted effort. Right. What did I tell you? If you're going to beat me, you're going to beat me with J.

Oh, yeah. Because I like my chance as better beating you with him throwing the football than Saquan Barkley running for 125 a game. Right. It's really that simple. And that's not a knock. I'm not going to let, but I'm not going to let you have a two-way go of it.

Now, Sequan's running it. Now you play action and throw the ball over the top of my head. Nah, nah, if he's going to throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy, and guess what I'm going to do, Ocho,

I'm not going to bring, I'm not going to drop eight in the box. I'm not going to throw one-on-one. I'm going to make you throw it through zones. I'm going to make you throw the coverage. Now, you do that consistently. Okay, I tip my hat to you. I can live with that.

But, I am not going to let Sequin do what he did last year and then be at your mercy. Now you throw when you want to, you run when you want to. You got me begging, man, throw the ball, man, run the ball. Nah, hell not. You're going to beg for something different. Look, it's early in the season, but clearly, something is a miss with the Eagles. it's hard to pick right up where you left off Ocho

and someone that has been in that situation you have to really you have to really turn your mind off to like man we won the Super Bowl yeah you did that last year you think these teams going to roll over just because you won the Super Bowl you're their Super Bowl this year the teams that didn't win the Super Bowl guess what when they see your ass on the schedule now that gives us you know what Brian Dayball said that's the

defending Super Bowl champ, and we just hung 34 on them. You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league. That's what they're saying. Because that's the Eagles. That's the Defending Super Bowl champ. So now teams base, they're based how good they are on whether or not they beat them. And now you see why? Now this gives you a better reason why you're feeling hurts when they ask them about the

Super Bowl and how it feels to be in the champs, why he throws it out the door. That was last year. Absolutely. Because he understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but they had the same success going into the same way. Now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength, especially at the offensive line. Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year.

And it's a different. New offensive coordinator, he had, things have to evolve. offensively you know you can't be too predictable last year because the running game was so efficient you could damn there do what you want to do exactly and you can throw it when you want to you got to pick your poison on what you want to do now things are a little different and now you're going to get to see the better part of the eagles they then they can do you got to dig down don't you we got to dig yeah they can do one or two things you can come together and fix it or things are going to continue to splinter yeah and we're not been to make no excuses oh the eagles beat themselves it looked like to me

the giants had 34 and the eagles had 17 it didn't say eagles one had 34 and the eagles two had 17 right right ain't no ain't no beat yourself because see that's the excuses you made last week they had man they should have called pass interference that was a pass interference you see what happens if you if you lose by a little i can go back and point to faith well if he had done this we had done that but see when I beat hell out you, what you're going to say? So what passing affairs that would have made up 17 points? What holding call? Man, they were holding.

So what holding call would have made up 17 points? What did I miss? What off-sides? What penalty that they didn't call that would have made up for 17 points? Paul, I feel bad for my guy, Gilly. He'll be going to be all right. You know, I know, the only reason I'm saying he's going to be okay, only reason I'm saying the Eagles are going to be okay. Yeah.

It's because it's so early in the season. It's so early in the season. Now, if we were on the back in the season, I give you one. If it was after Thanksgiving, things were looking the way they look now, I'd be worried. I'd be worried. But let me tell you, when you show vulnerability early. Yes. teams like they can be had.

That's the thing. Now, because you're already going to get everybody's best shot, Ocho, because you're the reigning Super Bowl champs. Absolutely. You're going to get everybody's best, but now they're like, hey, they're vulnerable. They can be had. The ferocity, that defense is not nearly as vicious

and suffocating as it was. That's a rookie, Ocho. I don't give a damn who back there. That is a rookie quarterback in only his third start. He did that. He did that. And he didn't seem bothered by what you were doing on the back end. He didn't seem flustered.

He didn't seem off kilter. He didn't seem like, man, what are they doing? I'm seeing ghost out there. He didn't seem that way to me. Now, maybe somebody else saw something that I didn't see. But he looked perfectly fine to me. Hey, I can see why AJ getting frustrated. Because I get tired of running underwiles too.

Yeah. I would. I get tired of running short crosses. They run, man, stop, man. Give me something down the field. I get, it would be very interested, Ocho, if we were to watch a cut up, we'd say all 22 and see how many times he run further than 10 yards down the field.

Right. Because I see, I see a lot of people. I see a lot of, I see a lot of routes, short cross over the ball, under route, slant route, five yard out. Man, let that man run a deep over. Let the man run a comeback. Let the man run a dig. Damn.

Yeah, and more than one. Because everybody goes, Ocho, now they know he's not going deep. I'm squatting on everything, Ocho. I ain't getting on no damn back pedal because he ain't running no go ball. Especially the better corners. Especially the better corners. That know and understand down the distance. We understand tendencies.

We understand split. We understand schemes. We understand the route concepts. Okay. Oh, he's on top of the numbers. Oh, he ain't going nowhere. Well, you ain't run no damn gold rock from those top of those numbers. Oh, absolutely not.

Oh, he's inside the numbers. Okay. Oh, you try to run a shallow. You try to run a shallow. Either run the shallow or he coming outside. What are the other? I could just sit. Like, I don't know.

I think maybe the casual fan doesn't understand how difficult the game of football is if it's not complicated, but how easy it is for those who study the game. who watch film and are used to seeing things over and over and over. Yeah. So now the onus is on the office of the coordinator to be a little bit more creative to throw off those that you're playing week to week because now there's film on you. There's a year's worth of film on you and you got to change things up because if you don't change things up, you get what you see tonight.

You get players that are frustrated because the blueprint is out there. The ingredients are out there. And the ingredients are out there. Hey, we know. what this tastes like. You got to change it up. You do, Ocho, and the thing is, just like a pass rusher. You can't give that offensive lineman that same pass rush move. He'll eat that up. After a while, he'll build up an immunity to it. So you got to give him, hey, you got sometimes you got to turn speed to power. Sometimes you just got a dip. Sometimes you got to wax on

off. Sometimes you got a bull. Sometimes you got a hump. You got to change it up. The same thing with the offensive lineman. Hey, sometimes they quick set you or jump set you. Sometimes they stand left and then they come back. Hey, sometimes they catch. You've got to change. These guys are good. Very good.

And they break everything down. They watch him. Watch his feet. Watch when he does this, what he does what he does with his hands. Now watch when he's in this stance. Look how wide his base is. Defense,

offensive lineman. Look at the stance. They pay attention. They break everything down to the umpteenth. Because the margin of error. guys are really good and the margin of the margin of victory is so small very small it's not i'm telling you it's not it's not a mountain it is small it's the minute is the just the details the devil is in the details hmm man hey this now it's what one of one of three plays make the

difference that's it that's one of three that's it um two turnovers did not help um look like they were the Eagles were going in, Gatter turnover, and Jalen threw it with late and inside. You let you inside. If that DB can catch, he's going the other way with it. And then it seemed like they were driving again, and AJ Dillon got the ball punched out. That's two turnovers right there where you look like you were about to make something

positive happen, and it ends up going the other way. But it's going to be interesting to see how the Eagles bounce back. Or how they respond in general. Ohcho you do realize they didn't score a point in the second half yeah yeah yeah that day the 17 was all from the first hey and on the on the tush push that first one the right guard jumped the count again yeah see he all Ocho he almost has to jump the count because he has to keep the guy off the center because if the center gets stand up because remember Jalen Hurst is coming right behind it so if he gets stood up so the good guard, one of those guards have to knock somebody off him. Let him get some push. Now we can get Jalen Hurst to get a little push. So he gets a leg

drive. If Jalen, if the center gets stood up, where's Jalen going? The play doesn't work. I mean, the play doesn't work. It's going to look, I'm sure Nick Serion's like, you know, he's like, good, God knows a tough one. It was a short week. But hey, it was a short week for the Giants.

Everybody's going to have Everybody's going to have at least one short week. The Cowboys probably have two because they got the Thanksgiving game and then they nearly likely plays the following Thursday after that. But give the, I think this tonight, we can talk about the Eagles till we're blue in the face. But I think tonight was more about what the Giants did, positive and good, as opposed to Eagles. The Eagles have their issues. But here's the thing.

If I got issues and you don't take advantage. of them what good is that mistake when you make a mistake can I make you pay for it right you leave the door open I walk in your house you leave something out at the table I eat off your table every mistake the Jets the Eagles made ain't John's made them pay for it the question is uh uh look Sherionic Sirianic cut his teeth and calling plays and I know it's a bad because here's the thing Anytime you do something that's abnormal, people think you're panicking. If I take over the play calling, Ocho, what am I saying?

The guy that had to play calling, he's not doing a good job, be an officer or defensive. If I reassigned people, hey, you're the class, Ocho. Shannon, oh, Chad, get your move over here. That means you were being a disruption. You were doing something you had no business. I got that all the time. Shannon, can you move up here by me? Why?

You know why. so that's the way that's people going to look at that from the outside and says well okay i thought wasn't nothing going on if nothing's going on why are you making these changes why are you making these moves but at the end of the day i've got to do what's in the best interest of this team and if i have to take over the play calling i don't want to i don't want to take over the play calling but i will if i have to and the question is do you think seriani should or will take over the play calling. Ooh, that's tough.

That's asking an awful lot of a head coach. I mean, look, Cal Shanahan does it. Andy Reid does it. There aren't a whole, Sean McVeigh does it. It's not a whole lot of guys. Ben Johnson does it now. But for the most part, you know, hey, I got lie lie lie lie lieutenants do their job.

I oversee everything. I hear everything. If there's up, hey, no, we're going to run it on this one. Now, hey, you got that specialty play, do that. I try to oversee everything. So what do you think will happen or what do you think should happen? I think more so a conversation. I think more so a conversation is had between Petula and Siriana.

Siriani, because Siriani has enough as a head coach, y'an. He has enough going on that he has to deal with. He has enough on his plate as is. You already have coaches appointed to certain positions, and they have their jobs. Now, if you want a coach to do his job a little better or find ways to make things work, here now talking from our offensive perspective, you have that conversation with him and what need to change and what he would like to see as a head coach. But taking over the play calls this early, to me it sends him in panic mode,

and I don't think that's something that they really need, is not to panic. But find a way, figure out what solutions we can take. What creative effort can Petulow do and increase? creating a little bit of creativity offensively and moving some things around. Just throwing a few wrinkles in there, not going too far away from the game plan and schematically and the things that do work and that you like to do, but just throwing some wrinkles in there that give you a little bit more success that aren't predictable when you're out there playing.

Oh, Joe, you know how coaches always ask the quarterback, and the quarterback goes to the coach that these are the plays I like. Yeah. Go to AJ Bronson, AJ, what you like? What you want to run? Give me a hint. How can I help you? What do you like?

Yeah. Ask you. I mean, Mike would ask, hey, 84, what you like here? Same. And that first 15? Yeah. You can't go wrong with basic crawls. You can't go wrong with wide choice.

You cannot go wrong with those. You give me one of those. You give me one of those. I'm good. I'll make it. I'll make it work. I don't give a damn if he's playing outside leverage. I don't care if he's playing head up.

I don't care if he's playing inside leverage. He cannot stop me from going where I want to go. He's going to ask me what I like. Hey, you like the Zorro here? Yeah, I like Zaro. Yeah, I like Zaro. I like Zaro. I like it.

I like it, you know, I'm really trying to get a touchdown. So I kind of like it. Ocho, I like it to T going in. I ain't really tried to get no first down because they only go bite one time, mocho. It's like a fish. You catch a fish and you hook him and he get off. He ain't biting again. Not that one. Now somebody else might get his ass another day in time, but he's not going to bite. So that's the way I look at it. Like if I beat him on this Zaro this time and I get a first down, he ain't biting again. So I'm like, I'm kind of like I kind of like a like in the T and for the Zaro route. But anything else, Mike, hey, you do right choice. You do basic. Hey, you do a basic cross. Anything like. that? I'm good. I'm Gucci. Hey, run Tiger Farcross. Hey, anything. Um, just go to AJ and say, AJ, what you like? Tell me, tell me what, if I said, AJ, give me your five favorite routes that you like to run. Yeah. And let me see how I can incorporate it in what

we're doing. Because all they do, Ocho, is that you got your plays and you watch the film and you see what the other teams did to their ass last week. And then you put that in. and call it your stuff. Bingo. That's it. It's a copycat league. That's all you do. It's a copycat league and they do it every week.

That's it. Whatever they saw, whatever they saw that worked on film and you happy to be playing that team, they're going to do the exact same thing. Formation might be a little different. Absolutely. It's going to be exactly the same. You think AJ asked for a trade? No.

Oh, shoot. You know what? I'm not in AJ's shoes. I'm not in the shoes. I don't know. I'm not sure. And being how he is, his mannerisms, his beliefs, and the way he moves and things is much, much more completely different than that of what they think he is. I'm not sure he's the type to ask for a trade.

But he's frustrated. Devante Smith is frustrated. For sure. They both voiced their frustrations. I think it was maybe last week or week before last publicly. So I'm not sure. I think Why you left?

Because I understand I really do. I really do because I don't want people to think. I understand AJ's situation. AJ say they don't pay me to win. They pay me for stats. The only problem that I have, stats get me paid, not wins. Not wins. I told that, yeah.

Remember I said that? I said that. Oh, the only problem is that, AJ, keep that with Seriani, keep that with Petula, keep that with what you call them. I say because when you voice it outside, people are going to look at you as being selfish and say, you care about your stats, then you do about winning. Even though that's how you're going to get paid. I get it. Yeah. But you're not going to be able to elicit sympathy from that fan base because we win in, Ocho.

Just like, Ocho, you're like, oh, Joe, you're like, man. but y'all don't want seven games in a row how you go how you go publicly and tell my man i need to get the ball right right people going to look at you as being selfish although i understand what is based on i just wish like i said i would because like a family football team is a family i guarantee you spend more time with the with the football team than you do your real family especially during this time yes from from basically from july when you go to training camp until your season ends You spend more time with them.

You do. You do. And you do everything you can to keep everything in house. Yeah. When it gets out, when it gets out, now everybody has their own interpretation to what's going on. Exactly. When you keep it in house, don't nobody, don't nobody know. You know what the actual, what's actually being said.

You know what and how to fix it. But then once it gets out, like I said, that meeting, I'm trying to figure out how many people knew about that meeting. somebody probably upstairs i guarantee you that somebody knows he's some reporter you know a player talking to a reporter that they probably confide and they thought it wouldn't get out or they wouldn't tell anybody and all of a sudden the rest of the world knows everything getting out now you can't hey trust nothing trust absolutely nothing but now what i knew to be true all alone killing more is a damn good offensive coordinator absolutely a damn good one. He was good at Dallas. He was really good at Dallas. He was great. He won a Super Bowl

with the Eagles. Normally it's a little law. Normally, Detroit doesn't seem to be having that problem. They don't seem to have that problem the AG left on the defensive side of the football. Detroit is playing extremely well. Remember what I said, huh? Remember what I said when Ben Johnson left. Yes. When Aaron Glenn left, I said, Unk, even though the coaches left,

the pieces of that puzzle are still there. So you take the coaches out and the pieces of the puzzle still there, you can still put it together. Right. You still put it together

because you still got the same pieces. So it doesn't matter who called the play. That's why sometimes when I hear coaches, when I hear fans say, oh, they want coaches fired when things aren't going well, well, hell.

Well, hey, if you had the goddamn players to execute, it wouldn't be no damn problem. Well, Bill, Belichick was great in New England because he had the pieces, including Tom. And now they want him, you know, I heard he might get fired sometime this week in North Carolina. Hit Bill. Well, what the hell you want to do?

What do you want to do? Well, people look at it. If you don't got Jared Rice, Randy Moss, and Larry Fitzgerald, you don't have good receivers. But Larry Fitzgerald and Jared Rice and Randy Moss ain't, I mean, it takes a special type of person to fit that system. And Randy fit the system for a couple of years. and then all of a sudden he wanted more and Bill said no. Everybody's not going to be able to go, Ocho.

Weeks, I count two passes this week. I caught four passes last week. I caught this. No, no, no, no, no, no. Those guys are number one receivers for a reason. Reason, yeah. New England built their game of playing to win. Other teams built a game plan around great players.

Right, right. That's the difference. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays up. I think getting away, hey, Sirian, look, I don't want to see you guys until Monday. I see you guys Monday. Don't worry about this tape.

I'll see you guys Monday. Come in and we'll have a quick meeting. Get a lift in, get a run in, run some of this out. I'll see you guys Monday. Got Tuesday off. Let's be ready to come back to work Wednesday and fix whatever we got going on. It's good to clear our heads, get an opportunity to get away from this.

Hey, you don't need to watch television. You don't need to read the paper. forget stay off the internet and be ready when we come back in here on wednesday yeah let's be ready to work and get this thing done get it right they're going to have they're going to have to fix it and don't let anything else come out the locker room don't say nothing crazy after the media anything i'm not sure who might have talked to the media after the game i hope they took time to allow themselves to defuse from whatever anger whatever emotions you may be having take a shower first take a shower first cool off then talk to the media don't give them no ammunition

I don't get you know what I'm surprised oh cho I'm surprised how many people when they go to the locker room the first thing they do is check their phone mm-hmm oh yeah absolutely okay because I'm just I'm shocked by that yeah I'm one of them yeah see you you played in that air you played in the era that they did have social media so I'm glad I didn't I didn't play in that era I'm glad yeah it just started It just started. So I caught social media.

The guys, do you think they check their phone at halftime too? Um, no, I don't know about that. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that one. Yeah. My last year I checked, I'm cutting the food. Let me see what they're talking about. What they talk about on IG?

Oh, Joe, what do you think about the touch push four times? Michael Parsons says, this is not football with two trash emojis. Hey, if you can't stop it, don't knock it if you can't stop it. If the package were able to do it, that wouldn't be a problem. So, I mean, Tush push is not football. So let's talk about some of the plays that other teams run that nobody can stop, that aren't highlighted. True. We're going to start eliminating plays from certain teams that do one thing specifically well.

just because somebody can do something better than anybody can do one thing yeah hey find a way to stop it i know how to stop it i can't i can't give the formula on how to stop it yeah you know my brother said tell us all the time he says my my goal was to do my job do this one thing better than anybody else did anything i'm fine yeah it seems to me that the tush push the eagles do this better than any other football team does anything else. Yeah. Whether it's rushed to quarterback,

whether it's throw the ball, whether it's running the ball, whatever the case is, the Eagles do push better than any other football team do any other thing. So I agree with you, or Joe. Is it aesthetically pleasing? No. No.

But I don't believe you should throw it out just because somebody can't stop. Stop it. So if Michael, Micah says it's trash, he got the two trash cab with the guy dumping the trash in there. What do you think, Coachell? Nah. My guy, and being the competitor, he is, it shouldn't matter where anybody else run. Well, you want it the best in the league.

You top three in the league. It shouldn't matter. You got to stop it. Tampa, Tampa is getting, what you call them? Getting big dads ready. They're dead. You're going to let them move you. At all.

Clog it up, the best way you can. Yeah. Hey, we got a very special guest joining us, a good friend of the show. Our co-founder of Reddit, found of Apollos, here he is, Alexis O'Hannon. Lex, what's going on, bro?

How good, man? Pleasure. Absolutely pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me. guys thanks for coming on we know you're one of the biggest advocate of women's issues what went into the thought process of creating this this women's only track meet certain events and say you know what i want to do something special to highlight these great women athletes you know what look i'm obviously married to the goat we can get out of the way yes you are serena williams is you

think about it though right like you know it's funny i grew up in a household NFL was the only thing that mattered uh football was the sport i played and i loved i didn't think about any of the sport didn't watch tennis uh i didn't know anything about it now i got smart now i'm a i'm a big fan obviously but you know at no point did i ever think that women's tennis was less than men and if you talk to any sports fan today they'd sound crazy if they'd thought if they thought or if they said that women's tennis was less than men's. In America, frankly, women's tennis is as popular, if not more popular than men's tennis. Look at how much money these ladies get paid.

More. And obviously, Serene and Venus, they were the ones who brought that to the world. But tennis is the perfect example where with investment and Billy Jean King made sure those ladies got paid, that made it possible for two little girls in Compton to say, I'm going to change my life by playing this sport because I know I can be excellent and get compensated for it. And then with a generational talent, you blew up the sport, made it bigger than ever, and look where we are today. And so it happened in tennis.

And I just realized, here is another sport, trapping field. I know y'all are fans of it. Big. Biggest, most played, most active, most engaged sports. We have a legacy of greatness, especially in the American women, historical and present. So you had Melissa on it. Melissa Jefferson. We had Anna Hall.

Tremendous talents, all of them. And, you know, every four years, these ladies are superstars. We tune in during the Olympics. We cheer for them. It's one of the most watched sports. And then they disappear. And I'm just a business man. All I want to do is see greatness, continue to get celebrated because if there are eyeballs,

there are dollars. Correct. Every four years, and it's not about charity. It's about supporting these amazing. athletes. And I saw you all during Paris, offering bounties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gold medals. God bless. Yeah, $37,000 for winning a gold medal. Come on, man. Love that. Love that. And so, you know, this is, I think, you know, post Reddit, I've been really

blessed to do some things in women sports, starting Angel City, this women's soccer team five years ago. And now I think Athlos is going to be a huge part of my legacy. And I'm just grateful to be able to hear talk about it. Yeah. This year, you added the long jump. This is in Times Square. will you be looking to add more events in the coming in the coming years uh you know obviously it's only a handful of events and i get that but that's a start but in the in the long term your goal is to have how many events you think oh you know look every time we've added an event it's been with an anchor star because again for me social media tells the story obviously he's a redid guy

i look at follow accounts uh and and you know i was i was totally naive when i got into the sport so Obviously, I knew the sprinters. I had a bias for the sprinters because that's a quick story. Yeah, you don't have to, you ask a fan to pay attention. I don't have to watch for very long, and they're getting an amazing show. And, you know, the longest race we've got right now is the mile, which still keeps a pretty short attention span. Obviously, Kip Yagan was going for the world record. Kip Yagon, yeah, going, you got the goat running, so you good.

She's special. And Batar Davis Woodhaw, or I'm reping here, you know, I invited her. She's got millions of followers on social media. He was a long jumper, gold medalist for the United States. And the world champion. And the world champion, exactly. And I said, why don't you come to the show? Come to Athlos.

And she said, I won't come unless I'm competing. Okay, challenge accepted. So we put her on actually tonight in time square. So I'm still coming off the high. I can't be too loud here because my babies are asleep in the hotel suite. And, you know, one's people in the room. But we had an amazing night in time square. Look at the clips.

I mean, we had the best long jumpers in the world. We shut down Times Square. And these ladies were running the top three are going to now compete tomorrow. There's the photos. The top three are going to compete tomorrow.com to which you all are both invited. Please call trackside suite. I'm waiting for it. We got Sierra performing, DJ trauma spinning in between the races.

We're going to have the fastest ladies in the world. It's going to be a lot of fun. You got Faith Kim Yegan into 1500 meters. You got Keely Hoskins, the 800-meter Olympic gold medalist. You got Maasai Russell, the 100-meter Olympic gold mess and the hurdles. You got Marilini Paulino, the gold medalist in the 400 meters. And you got Alexis Home, who's a 4x4 world champion and mixed relay world champion. Much of the complaint from the track community, Alexis, has been the lack of visibility.

Because like you said, the big events only happen. The big event only happens once every four years. So it's like they go dorm. It's like we hibernate. So we get excited 2020, 2020, 24. Yay, yay, yay. And then I got away all the way to 20. 28 to do it again.

And we want to get behind. You know, we like, we like baseball and football and basketball players. Because guess what? We see them every year. We get the root for, I get the, I better get able to root for LeBron for 23 years. They got the root for COVID for 20 years. I got the root for these guys. But I got to wait once every four years to see my favorite athlete compete.

No, it's ridiculous. And you look at the numbers. Again, none of this, don't ever get this twisted. No, this is about charity. you look at the numbers. Track and field is one of the most viewed sports during the Summer Olympics. Millions and nights of people.

And so, you know, we were quite happy. Last year we had 3 million people on broadcast, tune in. We're expecting more this year. And then our plan for next year, we've announced it. So it'll be a team-based track and field league. So instead of just one meet, we're going to have multiple meets in major cities. Think of it like the Formula One of Track and Field. Okay.

So companies like Mercedes and Ferrari, They have F1 cars. They spend tons of money basically for marketing, right? So you could think of some great apparel brands. I wouldn't, you know, I could point to if you might think of, that want to be associated with speed and excellence. So imagine those as teams. And then imagine now you have a way to see the very best to do it in this team format,

similar to like NCAA. And so you can imagine you've got, I mean, if we just say there's a hypothetical Nike team, you know, you've got Shakari, you've got Tara Davis Woodhaw, you've got so many of these champs that now get to share a team not just around the Olympics, around a nation, but around a brand. And it starts to change the economics now because if I'm one of these shoe companies, I'm on these apparel companies, just like Mercedes wants to be associated with speed and excellence and hold that trophy, the Constructors Cup, the end of Formula One, you're also going to be able to test new technology on the track of the fastest athletes.

and you're also going to start telling a story, which is, look, if we're spending this kind of money on a team, you know, Lewis Hamilton knows what he's worth because he knows what it means to Ferrari to have the best to do it. I think this starts to have a very positive impact in the way that we value these athletes, and as soon as they're valued that way, they're going to get marketed more,

their stories are going to get told. And I want to buy her jersey. I want to buy a Tar Davis Woodhawall T-Shall with her name and her number and her team on it, right? I can buy it in Ocho Cinco jersey. buy Shannon Sharp jersey. I can't I can't buy a jersey for any track and field athletes because it doesn't exist. Not yet. So let me get let me let me let me make sure I'm hearing you correctly. So you have teams and so these teams will be made up from men,

women from all across the world. So you might have keely Hoskins, uh, being a teammate of Melissa Jefferson, who might be a teammate of, uh, of faith Kip Yeager. So it would it be something like the unrivaled league? You see how unrivaled like they got teammates on one team, in the WNBA, but they're on different teams around, you know, when they play an unrivaled. So you're talking about something like that, those kind of teams? For sure in that, you know, and we love the unrivaled folks, Fee and everyone that's done a great job. The difference would be our teams would be more than likely built around a brand.

Oh, okay, okay, so Adidas, Nike, New Balance, Puma. I'm not announcing anything, but imagine that scenario, exactly. And so now if I'm sitting here, now obviously Nike's got a great roster, but you can't sleep on new balance with Sid and Gabby. There's lots of talents, all right? Yes. And so now imagine if you were any of these other brands or any of the brands, really, you want to win.

Because just like you're, if you're a Ferrari, you want to make sure you're holding up that trophy at the end of the season. And so it'll mean, let's say we added a couple other sports, maybe even throw in a thrower. You start now seeing a broader team composition, and these brands are incentivized now to build out that roster and to support those athletes in marketing as well as in, you know, physios and support all this other stuff.

And I think really level up the way we think about what these brands can do. And now you better believe, just like if I watch, I don't know, watch Mercedes win a Formula One race, it incentivizes me to want to buy a Mercedes sedan. So imagine if I'm a sneaker company, how much it would mean to me to have, you know, the top to see those team and what that means to move sneakers to everybody else. whether you're, you know, whether you're running your 100th marathon or you're doing your first 5K, like you want to feel like the best to do it. And so why wait four years?

I think you're absolutely right. We shouldn't. There's still great athletes even outside the Olympics. Let me ask you something off topic. Please. You and Serena competitive? Extremely. Thankfully, though, not in tennis.

I've never picked up a racket. Really? Yeah, no. And, you know, thankfully both. of our daughters inherited most of my wife's athletic jeans. Although, you know, Big fella, I still, I'd like to say I contributed some hype to the girls. But they'll be, they're going to be tall like the back pop, huh? Yeah, yeah.

But, you know, I, I, it's, it's really interesting. We're incredibly competitive in very different ways. Okay. And, and it's a blessing because I think, you know, in tech in particular, we dilute ourselves in the thinking we're the hardest working folks in the room. You know, the industry, look, tech's done amazing stuff, certainly for my career. And the industry thinks a lot of itself. I always recommend friends of mine, other CEOs in the industry.

I say, just, if you're single, right, date a professional athlete, spend time with professional athletes. And what you see, and I'm preaching to the choir here, the amount of fortitude, determination, the willpower of a professional athlete. And I have to say, the solo athletes, too, are next level. No team. It's all on them. You know, those solo athletes are built different. There is another level of intensity and determination and work ethic and an incredible, incredible competitiveness. And so I knew I knew I met my match because I really thought it was the hardest work in the room and the most competitive.

But yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, because it's a different perspective because when you're in the tech industry or if you're married, you're asking your significant other to understand your work hours. and what's necessary. As an athlete, they're asking their spouse, so their significant other, to understand the sacrifice. So now they get an opportunity to see what each other have asked the other party to do.

And so now you're like, I am so sorry, babe. I am so, I did not realize that I have put this kind of pressure and ask you to do so much more out of your. I never had that fight. We have never had that fight about me putting in too many hours because she understood to someone who knows. She knows. She knows what it takes.

And, you know, I'm not, I'm not breaking the barriers. She's breaking in order to be great. But still, she knows what it takes. And that work ethic shines, man. And so it's fun. We're competitive, but in really good way. And that's a dope thing. When you always think about people throwing around the word power couple all the time,

they throw the word power couple around based on. aesthetics, not the intangibles that you don't get to see or you don't get to hear. So it is really dope to hear the dynamic in which you two share coming from two different, totally different fields, tech and sports. Yeah, let's be honest, the obvious, the elephant in the room here, you know, Serena. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a big old elephant, too. I have Alex, it's a big epa. And I'm a Marvel comics fan.

Oh, wait, not, that's not, that's not the elephant in the room. We're obviously from very different worlds. Even though she is a D.C. fan, I don't get it. I'm a Marvel guy. It's obviously better, but, yeah, no, I know. But it's, like I said, you find the commonality, and it's definitely been a hell of a ride. You know, we got to find y'all, you know, because, you know, we had Benifer and, and, you know, we had, you know, we got to get you. You got to get a name. I tried.

I really tried so hard to avoid that side of Brandelina. Celebrity. No. No. And here's the thing. Like, and that's, you know, to my wife's credit, and she and Venus is the exact same way. Both those girls had to be so famous, so early.

And, and, you know, you've already got the pressure of, you know, having to carry so much responsibility going into that sport the way they were total outsiders and dealing with. with all the bullshit they had to deal with. And they became famous very young. And you know, I'm gonna tell you how many stories of people to whom that happens where it just goes off the rails, right? And they have always been remarkably grounded.

Credit to, you know, Mr. Williams and Ms. Ors seen, like they did a really good job grounding them in that. And it's funny because like even to this day, it's never been about the celebrity part. It's like the funniest thing people don't realize is, you know, some of the best days that I know she has and we have are some of the most boring suburban parent dates, right? It's, it's taking our daughter to ballet. It's, it's a lot of things, frankly, that I think a lot of folks probably take for granted because

they imagine, oh, well, geez, I'd want to be on the carpet. I'd want to be holding up the U.S. Open trophy. I'd want to be doing all the stuff, which is great stuff. Don't, don't get me wrong. But it's funny when you see someone who's been at the top of the mountain, who's had everything. It's interesting. The things that they value most are some of the things that most of us spend all our lives, you know, trying to sort of set aside while we're trying to do the other thing. And it's those simple joys, man. I want to, you know, Alice, when you told, when you told your boys, man, guess who you boy dating? You never go guess who your boy going out with. Yeah. Yeah. Were they surprised? They probably started rolling our thing. Man, not even close.

she's bigger than them you're bigger than that bro, come on, I'll give you boys some credit. So when you told, when you told your homie, the guy that you're very close to? Yeah, these are my guys.

I've known since. Yeah, so when you told them like, I've known since I was five. That's how long you know me, since kindergarten first grade. Okay. And, uh,

you know what? Honestly, they weren't that surprised. And I don't know what that says. I mean, okay, I'm, okay, let's just speak. I wasn't out here,

you know, just casually dating the greatest of all time across. Just to be clear. But, but, you know, I don't know. I think these guys got used to me doing really exceptional, crazy stuff. And even, you know, starting a company right out of college, all this stuff. I mean, look, I think it was actually really sweet. My pops, my dad, and he was the guy who whenever tennis would come on TV, he'd change the channel, right?

because we're a football household. Everything else was like a country club hobby. It wasn't a real sport. And I remember telling my dad, and he kind of paused, and he was just like, wait, one more time. Because he thought I was punking him. He thought I was kidding. And he's like, you're dating who?

And I was like, Serena Williams. And he's like, okay, come on, come on, come on. You don't even know her. There's no way. You're not even, what do you know? You don't know anything about tennis. How did you meet her? That's just crazy.

And, uh, but, you don't even. You know, my boys, to their credit, they didn't bust my jobs too much. And I don't know. I think, look, it's honest service is pretty surprising. And I will say probably one of the most satisfying parts about it was at the time. I had just come back to Reddit. And we had met, I mean, folks, and we met randomly to breakfast at a hotel in Rome, of all places. And I was going to try to escape the job.

I had been there for six months, seven days a week. like I wasn't my head of commas was like you got to get you got to go on a trip like get out of here you're just redlining and she sent me to wrong to do the speaking gig I didn't want to go do it but I did and I just pulled up her breakfast one morning and basically Serena and her team tried to get me to move I didn't move and she was like my team was planning on sitting there and I was like that's fine they can come join me and you know we started a conversation and and she pretended like she knew what Reddit was and this was 2015 she was trying to be really polite but but she really had no no clue and i mean to be honest what i'm not big back then

anyway but uh but thankfully thankfully uh we kept the conversation going and and she was curious enough about the tech industry that yeah the rest of this too you know Alex i'm gonna get you out of her on this one a guy once told me he said he asked me a question he said shenna you know why movie stars marry other movie stars hmm and i'm like they like each other i mean he said no he said because the other know what it's like to live in that world you know what it's like to devote time to be great she knows what it's like to devote time to be great

so you guys know what it's like to live in the other's world and you bring these worlds together you know what and I tell you I will it is obvious how much like you said having someone who is just so motivated on so many levels and I see

the role models She is for our daughters. You couldn't ask for a better mother of your children. She also taught me that there's more seasoning than just salt and pepper. I had no idea. I had no idea that you could use seasoning other than just salt and pepper. So I've learned a lot. But no, I really, I feel so fortunate.

It's like I said, it's been out of a journey. And then as a fun surprise, she's actually going to be handing out the Tiffany crowns at Athlose tomorrow night. Wow, that's amazing. And she was feeling left out last year. And so she was like, hey, I want to be a part of this. And so it's going to be a lot of fun for the ladies. So on top of the cash prize, record breaking,

they're getting those tickney crowds from the goat. Well, we missed it. We missed it this year. But I promise you we'll be there next year. You got to. And we're going to have multiple meets. So New York, we'll be there. That's our thing, Joe and I, you know, hey, we've talked to a lot of them doing the

Olympics. We talked to them during the world championships. and we, hey, we want to help any way we possibly can to grow the sport of track and field. Obviously, we're very women-friendly. We want them to be the best. Alexis, thanks for joining tonight. Tell Serena, hello, and we'll talk to you again soon.

Shannon, chat, y'all are amazing. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, guys. Uh, tickets are all, tickets for the Appalos,

New York City are also on sale now at Apelos.com. Make sure you go get those tickets. See your favorite track and field athletes. Compete. A Messiah already says she got her cash yet. I'm ready. So she's ready to get.

Hey, just punch it in. Good to go. As a matter of fact, I think I should compete, huh? No. Next year. Okay. Let them have their moments. Thanks, Alex.

Appreciate your man. Best of luck on everything. We'll see you down the road. Thank you, guys. Yeah.