Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Heat shock Celtics, Thunder beat Pelicans, Suns too top-heavy?

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Gilbert Arenas react to the Boston Celtics getting upset in Game 2 at home by the Miami Heat and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat New Orleans Pelicans in NBA's Wednesday playoff slate. Later, they discuss the issues that has plagued Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal in the NBA Playoffs 02:00 Start of show04:40 Thunder beat Pelicans15:00 Miami beats Boston29:40 Update on Giannis from Shams #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and leave your man just being cheap, okay? It's a step-by-step tutorial. And everything Ocho is teaching the men, I'm going to teach you ladies how to undo that. Let's jump right into the show. The Thunder take a 2-0 series lead against the Pelicans. Shea Gildress, 33 points, 5 assists, 2 steals.

Chet Holmgren, 26 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks. Jay Duggs. Oh, man, they got all the Williams. If your last name is Williams and you're black and you're in Oklahoma, you play for the Thunder. He had 21 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, and they take a commanding lead 2-0 as they blow out the Pelicans, 124-92. 124-92.

124-92. The Thunder looked sensational last night. I mean, tonight, excuse me, and they were barking all over the arena. Gil, you've watched this game closely. What did you like about it? How did the Thunder make it look so easy? They just have too much firepower. I mean, these guys don't play well together.

without Zion, it's really not a fair matchup. I mean, they beat their booty off their back tonight. I mean, this is not even a fair matchup. This literally looks like an AC. Right. Actually,

the Pels should have stole that game one. They had game one, Gil. That was the one pals should have stole that game one they had game one gear that was the one they should have had and they let that one get away from them and and the thunder made sure tonight we're not going to even put you in that situation where you think you could have won we're going to go ahead and take care of this thing early on and make sure you know that your guys come forward quarter gonna be sitting down chilling because this game game is over and you're getting ready for game three hey the the the thunder as a team as a whole the thunder played much better they played much better than the pelicans obviously when the pelicans don't have zion i'm not saying they lost but they look lost out there hell the goddamn thunder trio tonight had 80 points together and they shot damn 65

percent from the damn field. Yeah. Well, when you get that kind of production from your big three, it's hard to beat them when you allow a team to shoot. First of all, you give up 35 in the first quarter, you give up 28. So now you've given up 63 points at the half and then you give them another 29 and you

give up 32 in the fourth. And so when you get your big three and they give you that kind of production on that kind of efficiency, yeah, it's going to be hard to reload. It's going to be hard to overcome that. When you're talking about the playoffs, like there's a golden

rule that we have as a road team, the easiest game to win is usually game one. That's the one you want because the pressure is on the home squad. They didn't sleep. They got the kids at home. They got the wives, whatever that is.

There's so much anxiety about playing that first game. So that is usually the easiest one to get. So the fact that they didn't get that one kind of lets you know they was going to get their ass beat today. And the fact that In didn't get that one kind of let you know he was going to get their ass beat today. And the fact that Ingram is not even showing up. You're supposed to be the second best player on the court. They go shade

then you. And the fact that you're only getting 10 shots up. Yeah, that's not nearly enough. They had balance for Duck. If you look at it, he was 5 or 10, perfect from the free throw line. Herb Jones, Herb, was 6 of 9, 4 of 7 from 3, perfect from the free throw line. But it's just not enough shots.

Trey Murphy was 2 of 6 from the three-point line. They were 7 of 26. When you go 7 of 26 and you get outscored by 21 from the three point line and your best player is not there, you have to get more production from your guys. B I needed to be around 30 CJ McCollum, who had a great stretch of about 10 games. He needs to be around 25. And now we get her becoming a herb or trade trade Murphy.

The third, one of those guys needs to give you somewhere around 25 to match this kind of production, especially on the road, Gil. Yeah. Let me just call you Jones. I mean, someone born in 98 being called Herb.

Come on, guy. Yeah, you man. I have a question about the MVP discussion real quick. I know it's about the MVP discussion real quick. I know it's still the playoffs, but Shai Gilgis Alexander, he shot 13 for 19 tonight. Yeah.

He had 33 points. Yes. What are the chances of him winning MVP over Luka? I'm just curious. Did you see Jokic the other night against Anthony Davis? 27, 20, and 10. Wait, hold on. So he running away with it again?

They already got the votes in, Ocho. The playoff, they had to get the votes in before the play-in tournament started. So those votes alone, the playoffs, the regular season MVP, and the postseason has no playoffs, the regular season MVP, and the postseason has no bearing on the regular season. Okay. Yeah, so yeah, it's one of those things where it's before the playoffs

start, but from how we've seen who was the most improved, yeah. We can just say, alright, they already started on some bull crap. They are. Nas Reed, Nas Reed, what Gil is talking about.

A lot of people thought Malik Monk. He led him scoring. He led him assists. He led him, made threes off the bench. He's made a lot of categories. But Nas Reed beating out for sixth man of the year. Yeah, you know, Nas got the bid because he got to start some games.

Yeah, right. To start some games, you get some more shots that you normally wouldn't get when you're coming off the bench. So that usually helps a lot of those six men, the six men that play starter minutes, or they start some games that year. They usually have an advantage over that six-man award. Hold on.

You said most improved. Did you think Maxie didn't deserve it? You think Maxie didn't? No. You thought Kobe White should have won most improved. Yeah, because Kobe White from last year, he was a bench player last year. He got put in the rule, so he averaged nine, and then this year ten, which was a bench player last year. He got put in the rule, so he averaged 9, and then this year

10, which is a plus 10. I mean, he had 9 and averaged 19, okay? Last year, Maxie averaged 20. This year, 5.9. But how I judge Maxie is, you started off great.

Embiid left. Who were you when Embiid was gone? You were the number one option. Who were you? Your team was 16 and 27. Right. So you was a bottom-fitting team, and you wasn't carrying them on your team.

Let's me know you wasn't the most improved. And that's how I judge it. Okay. Yeah, I see what you're I judge it. Plus five, what did you do when MB, like if you had a plus five, but your team was the other way, 27 and 16, oh yes, you get it. But the fact that

y'all was a bottom feeding team when MB wasn't on the floor, lets me know what you really were. So Gil, that means when MB goes out, does Maxie have to make up for that lack of production? Not the production as a whole. Right. Some of it.

Right? You're playing at a 50% pace, or you're a little bit over 500. You're supposed to be the most improved. You're supposed to be the second best player. You should show some type of leadership when the number one player is gone. When Zion went down, Ingram was holding the ship aboard. You have to be able to hold the ship.

What you see Ant-Man doing when Cat goes down, that's what he wanted to see Maxie do when Embiid went down. So instead of getting your average, no, we need to see you go from averaging 26 to averaging 36. Like Brunson. If they said Brunson is the most improved, I

wouldn't even bat it because his dominance when he lost his number one and a lot of players on that team and put the team on his back Mitchell Robinson looks like when you will go back and you look at Jalen Brunson when Luca went down a couple years ago that's what got him that payday in New York that's why Dallas regretted not giving him that three-year extension for 55 million because now they see like hold on wait a minute oh if we put the ball in your hand you're capable

of doing this because you know we've seen this before we don't know what a guy's capable of because he's playing behind somebody somebody then he goes and gets his own team. It's kind of like when B.I. He left the Lakers and goes to the All-Star game. Now I got the ball. I don't have to share it with LeBron. I got the ball all by myself. And so now you see these guys. You see Drew Randle.

When he leaves, he's not having to share the ball before Bronson gets there. He's an All-Star player. So what we're saying is that when guys, when get there he's an all-star player so what we're saying is that when guys when you it's a two-star team when one of the stars go out the other star must do more even more whether it's points whether it's rebounds whether it's assists but we need to see more of your impact on the game and he he's saying that when Embiid goes out, we didn't see that level of production go up because they were losing games left and right.

And Kobe White, I agree, Kobe White was unbelievable. I mean, a 10-point increase? Yes, that is hard to do. That's very hard to do because it's still the Rosen's team and at the start of the season now I think what helped Kobe White is when uh Zach Levine goes out Gil because he ain't gonna be able to get that many shots with Levine and the Rosen in the game so I gotta give so one of those guys goes out and that's what you're saying he's like well I'm giving you not quite but I'm giving you a lot of the

production that was lost with Levine I'm giving you some of that production back but I won't fight you on that Gil I won't fight you and say Kobe White should have been most improved player but the shocker of the night the Heat beat the Celtics wait wait wait time out

time out time out why would you start that segment off like that? What you mean the shock of the night? What you mean the shock of the night? If the shock of the night. Did you expect Boston to come into Miami and beat the Heat?

They were in Boston. Same thing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Boston is close. I mean, both of them on water, so I can see how you won. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just asking. Yeah. Just, just real quick before we even talk about the, the Celtics heat game.

Do you, do you expect Boston to beat the heat? I'm just curious. Even though we don't have, even though Jimmy Butler's not there, you expect him to be winning series. Boston was the overwhelming betting favorite. Yes.

Right. Right. They're the overwhelming. So how about you bet? Let's, overwhelming betting favorite. Yes. Right, right. So how about you bet? Let's bet 200. Run it. Let's bet 200 on the series. Run it. All right. Throw it on the floor. All right. You know, money out of sight cause a fight. Oh, let me get my 200.

I don't want to have to hurt you now. You know, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, money get a smell to it. When I give it to you, they got no smell. But when I ask for my money back, man, here go your little funky $200. Oh, it's funky now. My little

steak is $200 now. Now I got a smell to it. You should have said it was funky before I gave it to you. One thing, one thing you should never do. Never bet, never bet against Sposher. Never,

never, never bet against Sposher and what he can do. He can do more with less and you ain't learned your lesson yet because you just bet against us. Miami goes into Boston, win by 10.

They set a franchise record for threes. They made 20, they made 23 threes. They made 37 field goals. 23 of them were threes. So the other 14 came on two-point shots, and they were 14 and 18 from the field. And that was really the difference of the ballgame.

They beat Boston at their own game. Boston takes the most, makes the most threes. Tonight, Miami gave them a dose of their own medicine. Got great production. They started five. Everybody was in double figures. Havik had 11 points. Caleb Martin had 21 points on five or six from three.

Bam out of bio had a double-double, 21 points and 10 rebounds. Tyler Hero was six of 11 from three. He Bada Bayo had a double-double, 21 points and 10 rebounds. Tyler Hero was 6 of 11 from three. He had 24 points. Jaime Hicath Jr., he was 6 from the three-point line. He had 14 points. Duncan Robinson, he had 6 points. He was 2 of 7 from the three.

Hunter Highsmith? Is it Hunter Highsmith? What's Highsmith's first name? Highsmith was three or five from the three. He had nine points. Right. One of three. So when you shoot 53% with that many threes, Gil? Oh.

Yep. I mean, what is the team going to do? Hayward. Hayward Highsmith. Hayward Highsmith. Hayward High, not Hayward Highsmith. Hayward Highsmith. Hayward High, not Hayward. Yeah. Hayward Highsmith.

Double A. He ain't even important enough to know his name. Just be honest. But, you know, I never understood Boston when they play against Miami. Right? Miami is a small team. They play small, right? They want you to play the same style

because that's their greatness. Right. Boston does it every single time. You play the Miami style. If they want to shoot threes, drive the ball. Tatum, who's going to block you? Brown, who's going to block you?

Right? They don't have anybody. You're putting so much pressure on Bam. If you attack that basket, there's nothing he can do. And once he's out of the game, who do they have? But the fact that you're going to sit there and shoot

jumpers all day, it just benefits Miami. And that's why they keep taking these L's of them. But that's it. Ojo, before you go, but that's their game though, Gil. As I said in the intro nobody takes more and nobody makes more they got a 60 they're like hold on gail we got a 64 and 18 record we had to be doing something right and they got him in trouble go ahead well i'm gonna say you know i mentioned i said that he were playing at home

and i actually understood they were playing at the Garden. But if you knew and did your homework like I did my homework, the goddamn Heat owned the Celtics at the Garden in the playoffs. Yeah. The Heat have won. Listen, the Heat have won the last five or seven games in the playoffs against the Celtics, which is why I don't understand as a bet man, as a gambler yourself, why you would even take that bet knowing that the Heat are going to win this series. Well, I don't think so. If you told me that the Heat would win a game or two, I wouldn't be shocked. Win the series is a bit much.

I'm sure there are some Heat fans that probably would take that bet, but I don't know how many because they don't show their ass up to the game. Y'all believe so much in the Heat, y'all don't even go to the game. We show up to the game. No, you don't. No, you don't. We fill the arena every night. No, you don't.

Yes. They go from the club straight to the game back to the club. Hey, dog, they come at halftime with the game. That's because of traffic, traffic bad. Traffic bad downtown. That's all.

I think, look, Jason Tatum was 10 of 20, 2 of 6, 6 of 8. He had 28. Jalen Brown was 13 of 23, 4 of 9 from 3, 3 of 6. He was a minus 22. Prezegas was a minus 32. And so Gil let me ask you this this is what I want to know because I'm watching the game and I know a lot of times we go into a game and Ochoa you know this they might say okay this guy isn't good at that so let him do it. Well he don't shoot the three ball really well so don't worry

about him let's not leave Tyler Hero, Duncan Robinson, somebody like that. But at what point in time do you see, okay, he made one. Damn. He made another one. I ain't finna overreact. Hold on. At some point in time, Gil, you're like, hold on. We got to hug up.

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There's this thing, I don't know why players do this. If a coach says, and a scouting report is, they can't shoot, slow rotate to them. We, all of us do it. We ain't even going to show up over there. He can't shoot. Do the wave. He's going to hit two or three of those. Now it's too late.

Yeah, if you got a rhythm. Now, as soon as he get it, I'm going to overrun it. He's going to drive by me. Now I'm going to hesitate. He's going to shoot a shot. Now he's playing the puppet master with me. Now he's sitting there doing this with me. Yeah, he's going to shoot a shot. Now he's playing the puppet master with me. Now he's sitting there doing this with me.

No problem. This is still an NBA player. Yeah, he can shoot when someone has a hand in his face, but everybody can shoot wide open. Yeah. Shaq shooting free throws in

practice, he's shooting about 80 percent in the game. Right. Yeah. You can't bring practice to players like this. If a guy can't shoot, do not tempt him to shoot those shots, because once he gets rolling, his confidence is there. Yeah. They'll be there to challenge it, knowing that he wants to drive. They let guys shoot around threes. Everybody, everybody on the NBA roster with the exception

of probably Beaubon and Beaubon probably could make two a team. But for the most part, don't you know, real talk, if you've been to games,

you watch these guys shoot the basketball. Yes. And guys hit like five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten shots in a row. And he might not even

see the feet. He might not even see the feet. He might not even see the court. You leave a guy wide open. It's just like we get a game plan. Okay, this guy's not that strong at the point of attack and he doesn't bend the edge as well. Well, come

halftime, he's got two sacks and five pressures. Well, we've got to change. We've got to slide the protection to him. I know what the scouting report said and I know what Mike's going to do. We've got to slide the protection to him. I know what those scouting reports said, and I know what Mike's going to do. He's going to start sliding the protection, or he's going to have the bat to chip his way out. You've got to alter that.

But all they did, half-heartedly, run halfway there, stick a hand up. Well, the guy jumping, he don't even see your hand. And once they get into a rhythm, they don't even see you. But I was surprised that Boston didn't really alter anything. They were just like, okay, we're going to hope you're going to miss. You'll miss. You're not going to make that

many. Well, they might not make 23 again, but they made them that night and you made no adjustment. What do you think they do in Miami? What is Duncan Robinson going to do besides shoot three? What is Hero going to do besides shoot three? What is Kevin Love when he come in the game?

What you think he going to do? Shoot three. He can't move. No. We can play in Miami if Kevin Love is out there. Yeah, Kevin Love playing. I get feet hurt. Miami if Kevin Love is out there.

Yeah, Kevin Love, man, I get feet hurt. The only person that don't shoot threes is Bam. Bam, yeah. And Bam will let one go. He'll let one go. Hope he go in at the end of the shot clock. Bam like, well, hell, I got to let it go. There's going to be a turnover. I don't want a turnover, so I take a miss. Go ahead and check it out.

What's the chance that we get Jimmy back jimmy back before the series in slim to none gill what what was his injury uh mcl sprain mcl just a little just a little sprain little sprain you you're gonna try to hold off as long as possible and i hope they don't shoot him up with the the tour at all or whatever they got now, that new stuff, you know, just so he can go out there and play. I think, you know, Pat Riley would, you know, like they did Hero last year, they're not going to put him in a fire

if his knee ain't ready. Right. They're going to tease it. They're going to tease, oh, Jimmy coming back. They might do that a couple times. Right. But I don't see them.

If it's spraying, they're going to really be careful about it. I just don't get what Boston was thinking. That's a team. First of all, they ain't got a guy that's going to really drive the basketball. What are they going to do? They're going to shoot three. Jimmy is the only one that's willing to put the ball in the basket,

the ball on the floor, and consistently get to the basket. Like you said, those other guys, they're looking to get three balls off. That's their game. That's it. But look, we know Boston normally takes around, they try to get around 40.

You know it's bad. They only got 32 threes up. They normally in the 40s. I really don't understand. You're letting just drive just first half I'm telling

hey listen I know we like threes good I'll make it up to you next round right now drive every time you get the ball

because once Bam goes down that team is basically 6-6 and below right yeah right that's the Philippines the Philippines got a lead goes down, that team is basically 6-6 and below. Right. Yeah. That's the Philippines. Philippines got a lead. Everybody

6-3 and under. Everybody guards after that. Before you go, Ocho, if it's not Harman, Hyakaz, I'm running everybody else off the three-point line. I know Caleb Martin can shoot threes. I know Tyler Hero can shoot th line. I know Caleb Martin can shoot threes. I know Tyler Hero can shoot threes. I know Duncan Robinson can shoot threes.

I know the Jokic, he can shoot threes. If it ain't what you call him, I'm running him off too, and hopefully we get rotation over. Because he'll go all the way. He'll bam on you now. He'll flush it on you. Okay. So we, next game, we got game three. What game three? Game three in Miami? In Miami.

Okay. Game three is in Miami. Yes. Let's say the Celtics come back and they make the adjustments based on what Gillis talk about. And they say, you know, we're going to put the ball on the floor and we're going to drive. Yeah. Constantly. Yeah. So all Spohr is going to do is just make the adjustments as well. If, okay, we're not going to hike up threes. Okay, and we're going to drive. Yeah. Constantly. Yeah. So all Spoh is going to do is just make the adjustments as well. Okay, we're not going to hike up threes.

Okay, we're not going to hike up threes. We're going to move the ball around enough, put the ball on the floor. And when you have your opportunities, pick, roll. I mean, whatever you got to do, mid-range, come into play, bam, back and down. Who they got to stop bamming in the paint? Porzingis. Outside of Porzingis. How do you say his name? Porzingis. Bam in the paint Porzingis outside of Porzingis

Porzingis Porzingis we don't see we don't see him we don't see Buddy he was bad though he was one for nine 0 for four

he was a minus 32 in 30 minutes see his confidence already shot Holiday didn't play much better we gonna we had him in the paint

get down to Bam. Bam put a little muscle on him. It's a wrap. Again, and we're going to win game three in Miami too. Yeah. They don't have any shot blockers. That's the only problem with Miami. They don't have any shot blockers.

So if you attack the rim, you put so much pressure on Bam. Right. Right? And you ask him and Bam has to jump. He gets his first foul or he goes for a block and don't get the offensive rebound. You're going to see the frustration

on his face. There's strategies within strategies in the playoffs and Boston thinks this is regular season. They beat you for a reason. It's not like your team has not been dominant in a regular season.

You've been dominant, Boston, right? This team has beaten you. There's a reason why. They figured out you guys don't like to get hit, so they're going to beat up on you and try to keep you out there. It's like a boxer, right? If you're fighting Mike Tyson, you're going to try to use the link. You don you out there. It's like a boxer, right? Yeah. If you're fighting Mike Tyson, you're going to try to use the link.

You don't want to get in your body. Yeah, you don't want to be in the pocket with him. Now imagine if Mike Tyson can never get to the body. That's what it is. They're trying to keep, going to keep swinging from back there. You can't hurt me. Is it Jovic or Hobbit? Jovic. It's Jovic. Hobbit? Jovic.

It's Jovic. Jovic. Jovic. Man, you really trying to learn people's names? Yeah, because I want people, you know what I'm saying? People like, man, that ain't a man name. Jovic. Well, oh, then we jump to go.

But guess what? We're going to go ahead and get it now. We're going to go ahead and get it now. Go ahead. Go ahead. Run the news cap news cap uh rough hair there's a yannis update from shams shams said i'm told yannis has at least started to do some stationary jump shooting but still not much much cutting, scrimmaging, no all-out running yet.

I think the Bucs have been prepared to keep playing on without Giannis. Yeah, I mean, I hope they didn't think this was going to interrupt our normally scheduled programming. We know there's a very slim chance that Giannis is going to return in this series. A very slim. And I'm thinking maybe game six or seven, Gil. But I don't see a scenario. I mean, maybe you've dealt with calf injuries in basketball,

a lot of plant stop, cutting, jumping, things of that nature. But what do you think? Do you think we see him before game six or seven if we see him at all? Unless they get to the championship, Giannis ain't coming back. And if he does, they are stupid.

Because if you know anyone who tore their Achilles, unless it's just random right there, usually the low calf strain is where it starts off with. Low calf strain, high Achilles. Right? That's where it's connected at. Right.

So that happened to Kevin Durant. And he came back and we see what happened. For him, it was his right leg, which is not his jumping leg. So it doesn't affect his game. Um, Giannis, it's his jumping leg, right?

Right. So the way he plays this game, there's no way he can come back in the playoffs, trying to do what he do and won't have a high probability of tearing that ACL, I mean, that Achilles. Yeah. There's no point in bringing him back.

I'm sorry. It'd be career suicide if you do. What do you think, Ocho? Absolutely not. I mean, obviously, I think it's a calf strain. And you come back too soon from that, you're going to compromise other areas of your lower extremities.

Start to compensate. Yeah, you start compensating and the first thing that's going to go is that Achilles. And then what's going to make it even worse is if you take any type of Toradol, you take any type of pain medication that doesn't allow you... The mask that you don't know is hurting. Yeah, the mask that you don't know is hurting,

man, you're going to tear everything up below that knee. that doesn't allow you to feel... Yeah. You don't know it's hurting? Man, listen, you're going to tear everything up below that knee. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I don't have... You took tort on Locho? I had to say just one time.

Just one time. I tore my labrum from 12 to 6. Yeah. And I was wearing a brace and I took a tort off for two games just to be able to get through that pain of having to raise up. Obviously, the brace wouldn't allow me

to come all the way up. Yeah. But boy, when I got about right here, I just wanted to be able, if the ball was a little high, I wanted to be able to reach up and go get it. Yeah. But once that adrenaline started running up,

man, I ain't feel nothing. But after that game? You got to tell me. Hey, I don't shout out. Hey. Hey, man. Sharp, you going to be able to go? I was like, I don't shout out hey day hey man sharp you gonna be able to go i was like i don't know monday ah tuesday ah man i go in there son oh it's so bad i have i have parts

separated both my shoulders rest your soul dave dorsen we playing uh we're playing the cardinals in the last preseason game yeah i. I went to run a seven route. Mm-hmm. Laid out for it. Fell on this shoulder. And then he fell on top of me and got the other one. Ooh. I'm like, this is old choke.

Hey. He been listening to this. Man. They hit me by, he gave me by two or three shots and deal with by two or three and deal with. You was good. Hey, I can do this right here. Man, I miss running crack.

Who I cracked back on? That might've been, was it Ronnie? I think I cracked, I think I cracked on Ronnie. Ronnie Locke? Yes. But this was,

this was like the second quarter. Man, my body went numb. I said, oh no, I can't do this. I know you was on the toilet. I know you was on the,

uh, no, I didn't, it didn't, uh, no, but I was, I was getting, uh, I can't do this. I know you was on the toilet. I know you was on the... No, but I was getting cortisone. No, I did take Tordo. I took those. Oh, yeah. Run through. I never had no problem with Tordo. Was there? No.

I took the pill. I took the pill twice. I'll never forget. I needed that. No. I'll never forget. I needed that. No. I shot my ankle up every... In 93 and 94, I shot my ankle up every week. Every week?

Man, it got so bad, Ocho. The skin. I had to shot my ankle up so much the skin was falling off. It wasn't... Number white me. You didn't see number wiped me, Gil. Hey, I had to get,

hey, I got three kids. I got a house. I got like three, I got. Oh, you got to play, huh?

I got to get out there. Yeah, you got to play. Oh, I got to get it. Oh, I got to get it. Hey,

private school, child support. I'm $200,000 over budget for a house I didn't need. I got a quarter of a million dollar car and a Ferrari. I got a big body beat. Oh, man, I got to get that.

You sound like a con lot. Hey, I'm in the training room, bro. Don't give me that corn off. And go and hook these ankles up. Oh, I'm a bender. I got to get that.

Yeah. You can't, listen, you can't make the club in the tub. Hell no. Hell no. But I hurt my knee. I hurt my knee. That's what ruined my career. The tour doll, we playing in the play.

And I came back and Mr. LeBron James, the young one, not this old, the young one, running through the lane. And I tried to stop him with one of these. Yeah. Yeah. Ran into my wrist. And I was done. Hit me with the butt shot. Oh, yeah, for sure.

PBL. That was the first PBL, huh? And I couldn't feel nothing out there because I just came off the knee surgery. I'm protecting my knee. Once I got this shot, I'm in there flying and all that. Yeah, it definitely

take the edge off. It definitely take the edge. I didn't even know it and then realized as soon as that series is over with, I got to get another surgery. I hurt to get another surgery. I hurt myself, Ocho. I went over the middle. I caught it and I saw him coming

and so I braced. I braced so hard, I ripped rib cartilage. I ripped my own rib cartilage. He hit me. I braced so hard, I ripped my own rib cartilage. Right. Oh, you tensed up, huh? Yes. So now, on my side, I got a rib that protrudes because the cartilage. Right. Oh, you tensed up, huh? Yes. Yes. So now, on my side,

I got a rib that protrudes because the cartilage is not there to hold it down. So, this happened late in the game. I came straight to the sideline. I said, Greek, I tore something. Hey, let's go shoot it up. He said, Sharpie, it's too late in the game.

We'll see what's going on after the game. Right. Hey. You played the following week We'll see what's going on after the game. Right. Hey. You played the following week? Man, they're going to put that medicine in me, Ocho. Yeah. I did it like, you know, you real tender in here.

Oh, yeah. I did it, but like, I said, I can't do it no more. I can't do it no more. Man, that thing with her. Hey, like, when you talk about brushing your teeth, cough. Every, oh, special coughing. All that.

Or sneezing. If you had to sneeze. Trying to lay down, you like. Man, I had, Gil, I done had everything. I done broke my collarbone. That was a painful. Fractured my eye socket. Dislocated my elbow.

Hey, Unc, you like the goddamn, remember the little video game Operation? Yeah. Everything's been hurt on you. And when people talk about, man, Unc be walking F'd up. If you know what Unc had done to his body, you be walking F'd up too. Right, right, right. Bone on bone in my left knee. I had the nerve dead in my left knee. I got, I took,

had the nerves dead in my ankle. Both hips replaced. Fractional orbital, knees, skull, dislocated elbow, fractured collarbone. Hey. Matt, you know where all that come from, right? What?

Lack of nutrition. Lack of eating all that healthy shit. I told you you guess what i i had one injury i dislocated my pinky finger you see you see my pinky finger i can't it can't even straighten out no more man please that's it one injury 12 years and that's it what did i eat oh joe there there i mean look at look at jackie slater uh uh jim marshall jim marshall played seven played 20 Look at Jackie Slater. Jim Marshall. Jim Marshall played 20 years in Minnesota. Yeah. Hold on. In Minnesota when they were outside.

When he was outside in Minnesota? Yes! Oh, hell. I think they built a Metrodome. I think they went inside in like 85. They used to play outside. So, you know, Minnesota is cold. Green Bay is know, Minnesota is cold. Green Bay is cold.

Chicago is cold. Yeah. Detroit is cold. So, yeah. What you're saying. Huh? Because fat don't tear up. Muscle do.

No, no. I had, no, no, no, no, no. See, but see, my mind, my mind. See, I had to play. I had to be somewhere around. I couldn't be over six percent body fat i had to be somewhere in that five to six percent right because i had i had to be light right do what i give but who didn't you do what i had to get them up off me gill you know what i put I put them clams on them, Gil. Hey, they like, let me go. Let me go.

Wait, so you think you were about 6% body fat? I was about 5 to 6. Yeah. Well, if you were 5 to 6, I was probably 2. I was probably 2 or 3. Ocho, you weighed 36 pounds. Would you stop saying that, man, for people to really think I was that little? I played at 215. Man, was that little I played at 215

I was at 215 too Ocho ain't never been 215 in his life With the pads on Or off I was rocked up Pads and a 25 pound weight I put him at 205 Yeah

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and NPRs embedded podcast. Listen to all episodes on the I heart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Now you just told everybody your 40 time was why you went to second round. Now you ran four, two. No, the reason I went to the second round, because I bounced around from school to school and it was too many red flags. That's why.

Too many red flags. That's why. Too many red flags. I went to 3011 schools before I even got drafted. Bro. 3011. Look here. Eric Swann was in the semi-league. That joke went in the first round. Top five pick. What year that was? What year

did Eric Swann come out? 96. That's why. No. 2001. listen they went in they went and talked to my teachers in elementary school i mean what does it matter what i did in elementary school going into the draft in 2001 that made no sense to me actually they need they would look look elementary school oh joe when i'm investing that count let me ask you a question if somebody That made no sense to me. Actually, they need... Look. Elementary school? Ocho, when I'm investing that... Let me ask you a question. If somebody said, Ocho, I got a deal

and I need you to invest 10 million... I need you to invest 20 million, 30 million. You're going to take their word for it or what? Are you going to do some background checking? Do me a favor. I'm just asking, Ocho. I'm just asking. I understand.

I understand doing a background check. Please explain to me how talking to my elementary teachers in 1985, 1984, whatever it may be. What type of kid was he? Who does that have to do with anything? Was he disruptive? Did he steal?

Did he... Who wasn't disruptive in elementary? Of course I was. A lot of kids weren't disruptive, Ocho. I mean, what the hell? Show me somebody in elementary school that wasn't disruptive in any kind of way. Show me somebody in elementary school that inst't disruptive in any kind of way. Show me somebody in elementary school

that instills something in some kind of way. My brother. I really don't get that either. Like, I was stealing because I'm broke. Once you robbed me, I ain't broke no more. So I don't need to steal. So that don't even matter. First of all, Gil,

Gil, you had a mom and a dad. You middle class. You ain't broke. You good. We'd have robbed you. Me and Ocho would have robbed you. But I'm just saying the stuff they be asking,

like, if you drive me, all these problems go away. Now, some of the stuff, I will concede, some of the stuff that they ask goes overboard. Ridiculous. Now, you heard the story about Blackman from Oklahoma State.

Justin Blackman? They went down there. Nah, what happened? One GM said he went to Oklahoma State. He didn't know who he was. He said he was in a bar. He went to this bar five days in a row. Guess who was in the bar having a drink

every day that he was there? Ocho. Ocho, tell the people who got who's out of the league because why? That's why you do. Wait, Jacksonville Justin Black. The issue that he had that's why you do that's why you do wait jackson jackson jacksonville justin black the issue what the issue that he had in oklahoma state

one jacksonville didn't do their homework one team did their homework took him off their board when i'm when you invest that kind of money, it's just like, you probably, if you're going to invest that kind of time and energy and money in a young lady, in today's time, you better go do some background. I mean, today you do have to go back to elementary school.

Now you got to go back to elementary school just to make sure what it was then. There you go, Kiffy. There we go. We got to go back to elementary school just to make sure. What it was then. There you go, Kiffy. There we go. We got to move the conversation along. We got to move the conversation along on you. I ain't fooling with Gil.

Man, I ain't fooling with Gil. I'm just saying. Hey, Gil, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. You do. You do. Oh, Joe. see right there Yeah

Hey All 185 pounds Man I'm 215 right there What is you talking about You see how many abs I got 1,2,3,4,5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. 10.

Chisel. 3% body fat. 6'3", 215 for 140. That was me. A squirrel leaner than a bear. Hey, one thing about you. I was here when I was well, now. Hey, I was here when I was well, now. I tell you, they voted

me America's sexiest man alive in 2005. 2005? Yeah, sexiest man alive. It wasn't nothing like me. I was Maurice Chestnut before Maurice Chestnut. I was Blair Underwood before

Blair Underwood. Wait, hold on. Because we got drafted. You said 2005? No, no, I'm saying I got drafted in 2001. It wasn't until I came into myself and puberty hit. Then I became the sexiest man alive for like a year. After that, that shit fell. I fell off after that.

Yeah, you about to be. Okay, I was just checking because I was back then. I was sexy in 46 states. Yeah, they banned me. Y'all already banned me. Yeah, yeah. Hey, 46?

46, I was still working on other ones. Oh, man. Man, y'all need help. Gil, let me ask you this. Are the Suns too top-heavy? After seeing the Suns being overwhelmed again, losing two

games by an average of 18 points, even with Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, all playing heavy minutes, are we witnessing the end of the super-team era? Or at least super-team as we once knew them composed a big free edge of signing surrounded by a bet minimum players. I mean,

we've seen this when, you know, LeBron went to Miami that first, that first year, it was the big three and you had a bunch of minimum players. This might be that year for them where they are a little top heavy, but for the most part, they do have enough pieces.

They're just not using them. Right. Right. You, you, you, you have been three individuals out there. That's trying to still figure out who needs the ball,

how they're going to get the ball, how they're going to get their shots. When I'm open, if you're on, I need to pass you the ball. There's, going to get the ball, how they're going to get their shots. When I'm open, if you're on, I need to pass you the ball. They're still in this this this is like training

camp issues. So the fact that they're in the playoffs and they're still trying to figure out what plays they're going to call and who's going to get the ball, but for the most part, they have a solid, solid top seven players. Okay? That's pretty much all you need.

You need seven or eight in the playoff. That's all you need. That 9, 10, 11-man rotation. Hey, bro, y'all not finna get them five, six minutes, them 10, eight minutes y'all was getting in the regular season. As we go along further, you got to rely on your guys to play 40 to 44 minutes. Unless you blowing somebody out,

and then hopefully you have a bad game, or you get blown out. And so now, obviously, that's going to reduce your minutes because you're not going to be playing meaningless minutes when you're down by 30 at the start of the fourth quarter. You're going to be out of the ballgame. But for the most part, yeah, but you say pieces, and that's kind of what they, ugh.

Now Grayson allen is gone he led i think if i'm not mistaken i think he led the league in a uh three point percentage so he was one of your snipers when you try to wrote you know you try to double to get the ball out of books and he could throw it uh skip it to grayson allen because he's won some game for him. He's been, their lean score, same thing with KD. There's no reason that these three shouldn't be how Bosh, Wade, and LeBron were. Well, who's going to be Bosh?

They don't, Kevin Durant can be either one. He can be anyone he wants to be. He can be anyone he wants to be at this moment in time. But there's this, it's like how in football, Brady and Gronk played. Right? Yeah. Gronk and Adelman, right? That's three.

They don't play like that. They don't play together like that. You get it. I'm going to drive. I'll give it to you. You drive it. They're not playing through each other. And that's the problem with it. I'm going to drive. I'll give it to you. You drive it. They're not playing through each other. They're playing individually. They're playing individually.

And if I don't have it, I'll give it to you. If you don't have it, that's not how you win games in the playoffs. We have to all be on the same accord. If I have the ball and I turn left, you're going back door because your man is looking at me, and then I'm going to dribble, hand it off to you, then I'm going to slash. It's the three-headed combo, and they're not playing that way right now.

You know what they need? They need a big that can score. I know your nerd get the rebounds he can set, but just imagine if they had a big that could score. You see the way Maxie plays off of Embiid. You see the way Jamar Murray, you see the way Porter Jr.

play off Yoke. When you got a big that can score. See, I would rather have a big that can give me a consistent 12-14 as opposed to having Bradley Be Bill with Book and KD. If you look at it, really, Aiton didn't want to be in Phoenix anymore. For whatever reason, him and Monty Smith bumped.

They bumped, they bumped, they bumped, they bumped. But Aiton was a better fit than Nert. Because he could score. Because he could roll, dive to the rim, boom. Had a nice little jump shot, little jump hook from 10 to 12.

I think he would fit better, and he would have been a better option as their third option as opposed to Beal. Yeah, I mean, they shouldn't have let him go. I know they had to. That inside-outside presence really has to be studied a little bit more with this new generation. But they do have three guards, guard-like players, that do post up too.

Bradley Bill's a great post-up player. Booker's a great post-up player. And Kevin Durant is a great post-up player, but they're not posting up anybody. No, they don't like to. Conley would be on that block in the playoffs. He would be on that block. He's going to have to scream for help. Come and trouble, help.

That's all you're going to hear the whole game. Rudy, where you at? That's all. That's what they should do. You have to beat up on certain players in the playoffs. Right. Like if I'm playing against Tony Parker in the playoffs, I'm not playing pick and roll.

Let's drop him. Drop. Let's go. Let's go. Take him out. Put Bruce Bowen on me. Now I got Bruce Bow pick and roll. Let's drop him. Drop. Let's go. Let's go. Take him out. Put Bruce Bowen on me. Now I got Bruce Bowen on me. Let's play pick and roll because he's not a great pick and roll player.

Right? You have to learn how to manipulate the game. And as great as these guys are, they're not. Right. And then you think about it. They don't really have size because who's going to guard Cat in the post? Then you got Naz Reed coming. So, I mean, they really – this is a horrible matchup.

It's really horrible. Now, could Phoenix win? Could they all of a sudden – you know, look, all they did was lose two games on the road. They weren't favored. All they did – Yeah, I mean, that's the rough – I mean, the series don't start until a road team wins.

That's when the series starts. Okay. Everybody, for the most part, is held serve at home with the exception of Milwaukee. That's it. Milwaukee has lost home court. Everybody else is held serve. And Boston just lost

home court tonight. But, I mean, KD, he might be the same height as Cat, but the size discrepancy, Cat gonna put him on the block and he can't do anything about it. Naz Reed is a big that can shoot,

can't do anything about it. So now, what do you do? Nothing. You still got to put your will on this game. And that's what the playoffs is. Everyone is outmatched. It's who's playing

to their strengths the best. And right now, Minnesota is. Can I ask you a question? What's Phoenix's strength? Because they damn sure ain't playing to it. Whatever that is. Shooting is their strength. Taking days off?

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