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Episode Date: December 7, 2025Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Indiana Hoosiers beating the Ohio State Buckeyes in the Big 10 championship, the Georgia Bulldogs dominated the Alabama Crimson T...ide in to win the SEC championship, Georgia running back Nate Frazier joins the show to talk about their huge win over Alabama in the SEC championship and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 06:10 - Indiana defeats Ohio State in Big Ten Championships 19:10 - Georgia Bulldogs defeat Alabama in SEC Championship Game36:10 - Georgia RB, Nate Frazier, joins the show! 53:35 - Texas Tech beats BYU (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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as you watch the Indiana Hoosers do what many didn't think they could outside of the state
of Indiana.
And in that locker room, they go in and they win the big team, big 10 championship by the
score of 1310 over the number one Buckeyes, who is trying to win it back to back consecutive
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Indiana's good.
They're very good.
They're better than I even previously thought.
You know,
Joe,
we talked about them.
We're like,
maybe it's the level of competition.
But after watching them tonight,
go toe to toe,
and we know what Ohio State has to offer
offensively,
defensively,
those skill set players,
those players.
Yes.
It really shouldn't have been that close.
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They were able to go up and down the field at will, too,
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But first, you watch the Indiana Hoosers win the Big Ten championship
by the score of 13 to 1310 over Ohio State.
They were the number two team.
They'll be number one.
They'll be number one going into the college football playoff.
Now we see why Signetti didn't even entertain anything, any other offers.
He does have.
Yes.
Jimmy Sexton as his agent, sure, LSU would have loved to have him.
Penn State would have to have it.
any other job at open us, but now you see why he stayed put.
He realized what he has.
He's like, you know what?
I can contend for a national championship right here at IU and I can get $11 million
right here at IU.
I don't need to go anywhere and try to revitalize a program when I can stay right here
and stay with the program that I built.
He built this program.
They have the second most losses in NCAA history.
Over 700, almost 800 losses.
It's going to be a long, it's going to be a while before they get to 800 losses.
I think they have $7.75, I think they put that on the screen.
But when you look at this team, Ocho, when you look at them offensively,
you look at them defensively, that's what I was most impressed with.
Because you see a team put up 50 points, 60, 70 points.
You know they got pretty good offense.
But the defense to do what they did to that team,
weren't the last time Ohio State scored 10 points in a ball game
or the entirety of a ball game with those weapons that they got offensively.
They have.
Man, you got to tip your hat.
I tip my hat.
Coach Zignetti.
Hell of a job, coach.
Hell of a job.
Yeah.
And the funny thing about it is coaching is one thing,
but just like boxing,
styles and personnel,
it helps you win.
As great as the players are,
offensively for Ohio State.
Indiana, the Hoosiers,
the defense of players,
at those Pacific positions,
you know, as far as the D.Bs
going against those elite receivers,
they have the personnel to be able to stifle
that offense the way they did today
because of the person.
that they do have.
They played extremely well.
And the onus to me on this win
is more on the defense as opposed to it is offense.
Because you see the way they got out of saying.
They fact them five times.
They pressured him numerous times.
And I think the thing, Ocho, when you look at it,
I think the difference between this year and last year,
they were not in all the moment.
They were just happy to be there.
I, you had never been to a Big Ten championship.
Nobody expect the base run up out of nowhere.
They're like, you know, Ocho died.
They tear a building down and the thing,
like, damn.
them when did they put that when did they put that bank there when did they put that shopping center there they just came out of nowhere this year right they expected to be there they weren't in odd the moment they wanted to prove that to this year wasn't a fluke like last year was a lot of people thought last year was a fluke I thought it was because I'd never thought Indiana that's a basketball school would be where they are Indiana is a basketball state where it used to be before Peyton Manning it was a basketball in the Indianapolis 500 state but now with
Peyton coming there. It's a football state. And now with IU, right. Oh, my goodness.
Coach Signetti, you know, you tip your hat to him because he did an unbelievable job,
an unbelievable job of scouting, recruiting, getting the staff together.
Fernando Mendoza, I believe he's going to win the Hizman.
I think what he did tonight, he was a, I think he was the betting favorite coming in,
saying was right there on his tail. But I think with what he did tonight and what he's done all year,
I think he's more than the more than earned the right. Ain't no more deserving.
He's more than earned the right to be the Heisman Trophy winner of 2025.
So he's definitely getting an invitation, and I believe he will be the winner of the 2025 Heisman Trophy when it's presented at the downtown athletic club.
Clearly, this is the biggest win in IU history.
They took down the team.
I don't know when the last time.
I mean, they were the defending Big Ten champs.
They were defending national champs, and they beat them.
They were more physical.
It's not often because Indiana got a lot of, I mean, excuse me, Ohio.
State has a lot of guys that's going to play on Sunday.
Caleb Downs, they got
Jeremiah Smith. They've got a lot of guys.
Hey, that Caden Curry, number 92, he's going to play on Sunday.
Yes, huh.
He's going to play on Sunday.
They got a lot of guys going to play.
And for Indiana to come in there and be just as physical, if not more physical,
to be as disciplined, if not more discipline.
What Ohio State was, you've got to tip your head to Indiana.
They earned his victory.
They left no doubt.
They left no doubt.
This is the best team in the country.
Yeah.
And the game, especially a game of this magnitude, you know, is one up front.
It's one up front.
The game is won in the trenches, and that's exactly where they won.
And then defensively, the Hoosiers weren't scared.
They weren't scared to be able to blitz either because most of the time when you do blitz,
hell, you put your back in, you put your back in, in harm's way.
But, listen, the back in play so goddamn well, they had no problem to be able to do so.
So listen, I tell you the truth, I was surprised.
I was surprised that Indiana, I knew I understood the players that they had.
I understood the personnel that they had, but I didn't know they were this good.
I didn't know they were this good.
Yeah.
And this was, this is a good test.
You know, look, we talk about Indiana and we had, I think we had Pons on.
Did we have him on the DB from Indiana?
Wasn't he on earlier this year?
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, he was talking about, and I think the thing is, Ocho is that, like I say, they score 70 points, they're beating big 10
opponents by 50 plus points a game, and I'm just thinking, okay, what about the level of
competition? We're going to see when they have to play Ohio State. I apologize, Chad. I
spoke. Oregon was the defending Big Ten champs, not Ohio State. They got in because Oregon had
beat them in Oregon, and then they played Oregon later, and they beat the brakes off Oregon,
but that's neither here nor there. This is Indiana first outright Big Ten title since
1945. I don't know how many in the chat was alive when Indiana won't.
the last Big Ten championship.
But they, look, this was as an impressive performance that I've seen this year.
The way they went in, and like I said, I believe the biggest difference between this year
and last year, they were not in off.
They were not in off of Ohio State.
They, hey, the bug guys and the defending champs and they got all these guys, they got a $20 million roster.
Okay, fine and good.
But at the end of the day, no matter.
matter how much a guy has in his bank account,
he still has to go out to perform.
I don't care if you got to perform.
I don't care what level you are.
At the end of the day, your bank account,
they got nothing to do with what you're doing on this field.
You still got to perform.
You got that money, and deservedly so.
But Indiana said, you know what, guys,
we got, we got 60 minutes to prove who's the better team.
Yeah, and money and money don't matter at that point,
not in between the lines.
In between them lines, that money
No matter.
Nope.
Ohio State suffered his first loss of the season.
Kurt Signetic has completed one of the greatest turnaround in college football history.
Man, if you go back and think about what Coach Savan had on his staff,
from Coach Signetti to Lane Kiffin to Kirby Smart to Crystal Ball, to Dan Landing with a grader system, to Mel Tucker.
You look at what he had, Billy Napier.
It's hard to find, it's hard to find a better coaching tree than that.
in college football.
And with that being said, man,
I'm just impressed.
I'm just impressed with Indiana
because of what I'm,
to actually sit down and just watch the mocho
because a lot of times, you know,
I think they played,
who they played Georgia State or day,
somebody and they beat them 70 to seven,
and they beat seven to seven to seven.
Yeah, yeah.
They beat team 16.
I'm like, man, what am I going to get out of this?
I say, I want to see them play.
The only time they were really put to the test
is that they had on fourth down,
they had to make that catch against,
I think it was Penn State.
That was really the only time
that we really saw them tested.
I said, well, you know what?
They're going to be in the Big Ten Championship
opposite of Ohio State,
and we're going to find out if they're for real or not.
And I think that's what everybody was waiting
and watching for.
Let's see how well there.
Let's see it to go up against the Buckeyes.
Big O8.
I, you.
Yeah, hey, they showed up.
They showed up.
Hey, I know this is very impressive, but for you, as a coach turning a, turning a team around like this and winning the Big Ten, is this the best turnaround you've seen in college football being that it's a basketball school that you've ever seen?
Yes.
Yes. Yes. Okay.
Because coach statement turning around Alabama, Alabama had already won eight, nine national championships.
Okay. Right. Ohio State, everybody knows. Ohio State.
and what they were
and winning like at the level in Michigan
everybody knows those were prominent programs
this is a basketball school
right this is a basketball school
and I'm sure now people are looking like
hey coach Belichick
you had a basketball school
what you got? You see what coach signetti did
with IU? Hey that's not fair
on come on now I'm just saying
that's going to be the expectation. I got you
I got you yeah I got you
no look it's the first year
I mean, Coach Signetti didn't do this in his first year.
It took time.
No, no, no, no.
But that's the level of expectations that fans and people are going to boost us
and alumni.
That's what they're going to have.
You're the greatest coach in NFL history.
You go to a basketball school and we saw what Signetti did at IU.
This is what they're going to expect from Coach Belichick.
If he stays, I don't know what's going to happen.
But if he stays there, that's what they're going to expect.
But IU, we what, hey, Ocho, that third down call?
Yeah.
That third down call.
and that cat by Charlie Becker
and that throw by Mendoza
that called by Signetti
that's clutch
that's clutch if you look in the dictionary
you look up the definition of clutch
that play that play itself
should be inserted right there
as visual reference in what clutch is
they needed that
I mean I in Ohio State
didn't help themselves
that four down that you needed to convert
the Schengfield goal
I mean, all those puts you behind age.
Well, I, you, Mr. Field, go to the guy shank one.
Red zone mistake by Ohio State on the fourth and one.
At the five, they get zero points.
Third and one, at the nine, they get zero points.
And IU got a day, you know, we talk about defenses and we talk about Georgia's defense
and what they're able to do.
Yeah.
Don't sleep on IU now.
Don't sleep on IU.
Absolutely.
It had been very interesting.
Like I said, I thought Indiana could have really put some pressure.
or IU early because they were getting into the red zone and they're having to settle
for three and they have to settle for field goal. I'm like, boy, that's going to bite y'all in the
butt. Y'all need to put some pressure on this team. You're not going to put them away in the
first half because you still have a whole half of football to go, but you can put them on the
extreme to rest. And that's what you want to do. When you play a team like Ohio State,
the longer I can get you out in the deep water because you hadn't been there in a while,
you say you can swim.
them, but that's in a pool.
Right.
Let me take you out in the ocean where you got current.
You got ripped ties.
Yes.
You got, you got charts.
You got other things around you.
Can you swim in this body of water?
That's what I do.
The longer this game got on, the longer this game went in Indiana was attached to
them and then they got the lead.
Let's hold on.
Where was the last time?
Confidence.
When was the last time Ohio State was in a game?
Here we are in the third quarter, early fourth quarter, and they're behind.
Or a team is this close to them.
Mm-hmm.
It's been a while.
And it'll, hey, it don't do nothing to give your confidence, too.
It don't do nothing to give you confidence.
It gives not just the coaching staff, but those players, understanding where they are in this game.
Well, hell, this is the mighty, this is the mighty Ohio State.
You mean to tell me, we right here playing ball with them quarter to quarter, down to down.
I mean, we can do this.
That kid's tough.
And they came out, they came out on top.
And Mendoza, the first player, what was that?
The first player, the second player of the game, he rolled out.
Yeah, you got hit him the right there.
Yeah, and I think that was, I think that was, hold on, that was number 92.
That was Kaden Curry to hit him, right?
That was 92, yeah, that was him again, 92.
Because you know what I'm saying?
Oh, Joe, you're like, he saw him at the last second, but you couldn't brace.
You can't brace with that.
Yeah, yeah, you could.
Put that shoulder in, knock the air out of him.
I was like, oh, Lord.
And, but give those guys credit, they came out for, and, and, and, and, and, and,
and picked them off, set them up for,
got them in field goal range.
Ocho, it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing play out.
We're going to talk about this, but Alabama.
They didn't belong in that field with Georgia.
No.
They didn't belong in the field with Georgia.
I don't care what nobody's sake.
I understand how the first game went at the beginning of the season.
I understand how it went.
But that means nothing.
That means nothing.
The first game of the season, I'm not even going to count that.
I'm not going to count that because you as a team,
you aren't even into yourself yet.
You haven't found your stride.
You haven't found your stride.
So when you play in the last game of the season,
one that matters most,
one as important as this,
obviously with college playoffs on the line,
that's when you're supposed to play your best football
towards the end of the seasons
and when you're normally playing your best football.
What we saw today from Alabama,
that's unacceptable.
That's unacceptable.
And I still think that the committee is going to find a way
to make sure they're in the college playoffs.
They said they're not going to punish teams for losing in the college
if you're champion, you know, you conference championship, Ocho.
But I call this.
Alabama hadn't looked good for the last month.
I told you all everybody, man, get off Ty Simpson.
Get off Ty Simpson.
I see, Todd Simpson is playing bad.
Go back and look at Alabama's office the last month.
I don't care what you say
and he made a cardinal sin
is far down.
You cannot throw the ball out of bounds.
If it's out of bounds,
if it's out of bounds,
even if it's intercepted.
Give your guy chance.
You didn't give him a damn chance.
You threw it out of bounds
and then you're looking like,
yeah.
What?
You probably should have took the back on the rim.
Mm-hmm.
Guys are making mistakes
that I shouldn't have to tell a quarterback
not to throw the ball out of bounds.
I shouldn't have, on fourth down on Joe,
I shouldn't have to tell you that.
Give the guy a chance.
I mean, especially for the quarterback,
even if your coach doesn't tell you what to do,
it's all about understanding the situation.
Situational awareness,
situational awareness, that's what it comes down to.
Knowing that you can't throw the ball out of bounds,
I have to give whoever I choose to throw the ball to,
I got to give them a chance.
you have to and to just throw it out of bounds
it makes no sense at all.
It drives me crazy to see guys on fourth down
throw the ball out of the end zone.
What do you hell you're hoping?
Are you worried about your completion percentage?
You worried about not throwing an interception?
Tell me what you hope to accomplish
by throwing the ball out of the end zone
or throwing the ball out of bounds on fourth down.
Tell me what you gained from that.
Tell me how does that help the team?
And I'm like, bro, I know this.
I'm saying, I say I know this kid
did not just throw this ball out of bounds.
Yeah.
And I don't know who's calling the plays,
but how many times are you guys going to go scat protection
and going to let Georgia blitz you?
I'm confused.
I think, I think, let's go ahead and get to this game, Mocchio.
We got, we got, let's get to the Georgia game.
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Yes, sir.
George Allen.
At the Kirby Smart team has dropped seven of their previous eight games
against the Crimson Tide.
The number three Bulldog flip the script
and put on a dominant performance in the SEC championship game
and the Mercedes Ben Stadium in Atlanta
by securing the second straight SEC title.
The Bulldogs finished 12 and 1
and likely secure the top four seed.
I think they're going to be the number two seed.
That's me personally, but now they're here or no there.
Maybe they leave Ohio State it.
but I think they're going to be number two.
It's the first time Georgia's won back-to-back
SEC championships since Herschel Walker
led the Bulldogs to three straight in 1980-82.
They won the national championship in 1980 over Notre Dame,
and then they lost a couple of them in the way.
I think they lost in 81 and 82.
I think they lost 82 to Penn State, if I'm not mistaken.
And what you were talking about, Ocho,
do you realize Alabama random all right?
16 times for minus three yards,
Ocho? Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I mean, statistically,
you look at the stats and you don't look at the scoreboard,
you know Alabama lost this game.
You know they lost this game.
I mean, Tyler Simpson was 19 for what,
39, one team, one reception, for 212,
but you look at everything else statistically.
You know they lost this game.
It's no way they won that game.
Georgia was dominant
in all three phases of the game.
All three, defense, offense, hell, special teams.
I'm surprised Alabama even was able to get seven points tonight.
Yeah, based on, and again, returners.
You see Alabama returner.
You put your heels at team.
If the ball goes over your head, you're like, coach, I'm at the 10.
Let it go.
How you feel that you're fair catching a punt like you doing something special at the five?
You fumble it, and now you got the ball at the three.
Stuff like that costs you, huh?
Stuff like that cost you.
At every level, you know you put your heels on the 10.
Anything that goes over your head or past that, you let go.
You wave everybody ass off to get out the way and you let the ball go.
If they happen to touch the ball inside, inside, inside the fire before it crosses, that's not on you.
That's not on you.
Yeah, they, look, Georgia looked like the superior team.
they play like the superior team.
I don't think,
there's no amount of money.
There's no amount of odds
you could have given me to take Alabama.
Based on what I've seen Alabama playing like the last month.
So there's no way.
Looking at how Georgia has played the last month,
looking at how Alabama had played the last month,
you'd have been a fool to take Alabama to be.
And I get it.
Man, that's what we do.
And the record, look at what we've done to Georgia.
And the last, I get all of that.
I get all of that
but normally when you're doing this to Georgia
you're playing well going into
that game
y'all not playing well
and you hadn't played well for a month
Todd Simpson has not played well for a month
that running game has been bad all year
yes there's only
your defense is only going to be
able to withstand
so much
so much so much
is it
but Gunna Stockton
20 of 26, 156, three touchdowns.
They ran the ball 41 times for 141 yards.
I mean, it was just a complete demolition.
They sacked stocked her three times.
They pressured him numerous times.
Georgia's going to have to fight.
Ale, excuse me, Alabama's going to have the final running game.
They got to, Ocho.
Look.
Well, hey, hold on.
It's too late now.
You're talking about finding the running game right now?
This late.
Oh, well, you got to get you a back.
Jamir Gibbs ain't walking through that room.
Jamir Gibbs is not walking back.
Trent Richardson,
not walking back through their room.
Mark Engram is not walking back through that room.
So if you're going to find one,
you're going to have to find someone special,
you're going to have to,
you got to go get him.
You got to take him somewhere else.
The type of back that Alabama needs right now
is not out there.
I don't think.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
The guy that we had come on that came on with us,
he broke his jaw.
He had some elucidness.
He's had some speed.
but these other guys
man
and receivers
the day
hey
our boy
dropped the good one man
went right through his hands man
Jeremy Bernard he did
he did he dropped it
okay
I'm talking about
I'm talking about Ryan too
Ryan dropped the good one
right through it went right through his hands a little bit
ain't a little bit
on your show I mean I don't look
five years ago
six years ago before the NIL
and guys who aren't making money, we'd give him great.
Right.
He's a professional.
He just have to be in college.
But he's making money.
He's making $3, $4 million.
He's making $2.4 million a year.
There's a level of expectation that comes along when you get paid.
Ain't no more, where he's young.
I bet his bank take direct deposit.
He ain't too young to have a checking account.
He ain't too young to have a bank of an account.
I get it.
I get it.
he's 18 years of age, but you can't convince me that this something is not,
either something physically wrong or emotionally wrong with this young man.
Yeah.
It started towards last year, Ocho, but this precipitous drop, Ocho, I don't even recognize it.
And half the time, he ain't not even on the field, Ocho.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, obviously, you know, I don't know anybody at Alabama.
I don't.
And most of the time I've watched him on film.
I think about what he did last year and I watched some of the highlights before Alabama
played the day.
and I watched what he did last year.
And every week, it was like, what the hell?
And what it reminded me of is the excitement that Randy Moss,
the excitement that Peter Ward brought to the game of college football.
Because the type of player, it gave you that experience like people had
that lived in Atlanta when Michael Vick was playing.
When he has the ball in his hands and when the ball is in his hands,
you don't know what the hell is going to happen, something special going to happen.
So to have that excitement from him last year and then this year, it looked the way it does.
I don't really understand.
and what that's a that's not just a drop on that's not just a drop in just production it just
something is wrong and i don't think it has anything to do with football it has to be something
off the field it has to be something off the field because last year unc there was there was there
there was a conversation that to be had whether he was the best receiver in college football
outside of jeremiah smith it was one and two it was one and two and it was it wasn't even close
as far as anyone else's concerned i i i i don't know
don't know what it is man but that's somebody you tell you that you long he's so great he's so
special at such a young age that's somebody i would love i would love to have some type of
impact on when it comes to playing the game itself well i hope you can get in touch with him or
his people reach out to you i'm surprised and maybe maybe they have reached out to someone
other than yourself uh obviously no one has reached out to me um but maybe that maybe he does
have a mentor or mentors maybe he has
someone that he can talk to or bouts things off
or whatever he's going
whatever he's going through in his life
at this current time mojo
that I hope that he gets that resolve
but this is not the kid that we saw last year
and the thing is it's now that we judge
these kids differently because we know
they're the top level kids
the Jeremiah Smith
the Arch Mannings
the Ryan Williams
these guys we know
that it's not just
you're just not getting books you're not getting
just tuition and room and board.
Yeah.
And so there's a level of expectation.
The more you make, the more expected of you.
That's with any, like, we're not just talking about professional athlete.
That's any job.
Whatever your job is.
The more you make, the more is expected of you.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm just surprised.
Kailen DeBoers said the number nine crimson tides are deserving of a spot of the college football
playoff saying that a conference title game lost shouldn't be punishment.
If this game applies to take, two, and take away from our resume, I don't think that's right.
I really don't.
I think the precedent has been set, and I don't know how you can go into a conference playoff game
when you're the number one seed and did all these things throughout the year and playing in this game,
one of the top teams in the country as well, and how that can hurt you and keep you out of the playoffs.
When again, we've done what we've done all year.
But you look bad over the last month, coach.
right i have another question now i i hear what coach is saying and making this argument on
why they should be in there you shouldn't be penalized for playing in a game this magnitude obviously
an extra game but will the committee also take strength of schedule in a consideration
as opposed to everyone else's every everyone else's schedule they played georgia twice
they look at look at where uh uh uh look at where vanderbilt's rank they played oklahoma right they played
Tennessee.
So they played powerhouse teams.
I mean, the strength of schedule, you look at the SEC and what is, you know, look
at all the teams.
There's a great chance.
Ole Miss is going to get in.
Oklahoma has a very compelling case to get in.
Vanderbilt.
Tennessee says, oh, what about us?
We know Georgia then because they won the SEC championship.
Could you have 14 from the SEC, maybe even five?
Absolutely.
Right.
Absolutely.
I think you're only getting two in from the Big Ten,
which is IU and Ohio State.
Then you got to have Texas Tech.
I don't think anybody's getting there from the ACC.
If I'm not mistaken, I think Duke just beat Virginia.
Ain't no eight and five team getting into the college football playoff.
No.
So with that being said,
so I think you're going to get Texas Tech, Georgia, IU, Ohio State,
Ole Miss, Oklahoma.
now where do we start going you see all these other teams
going to have a compelling claim we got six other team
that's going to get in I just uh uh it's just it's just hard
for me to see Alabama and y'all know what I think about Alabama
but based on what they've done the last month of the season
nah they they have I don't believe they've earned the right to be in
I don't think for me Ocho for me personally and chat y'all can disagree
if you like I don't think they're one of the 12 best teams in the country
right now. I don't.
Ooh.
You don't think so?
Nope.
Do you think there's any chance Miami and Notre Dame get in?
I mean, oh, Texas A&M?
They got one loss.
Right.
I don't know about those.
I know, I know, I know people, people love, people love Notre Dame, but I just, uh, uh, uh,
Uh huh? Yeah, I'm looking.
Oh, yeah.
So I think Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech.
Then you got Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas, A&M, all with one loss.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Do you got Texas?
Okay.
Okay, yeah.
So that's seven.
So if you take the top seven teams that was entering today,
I think they're all going to be in.
I think Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas, Tech, Oregon,
Ole Miss, Texas, N.M, Oklahoma.
I think those are no brainers.
I really do.
Now, you look at Notre Dame,
look at Miami, you look at Texas,
you look at Vanderbilt.
I just...
So you don't see any scenario where Alabama gets in?
Oh, I can see them getting in
because people say, well, you know,
because they've said, the committee has said,
we're not going to hold a conference championship loss against you.
Against you, okay, okay, okay, okay.
So A&M didn't play for the conference title.
Neither did Oregon, neither did Ole Miss, neither did Oklahoma,
Notre Dame doesn't have one.
Miami didn't make theirs.
Right.
Vanderbilt didn't make theirs.
Texas didn't make theirs.
So we play, we lose, you sitting at home watching us play,
and then you jump us.
I can see what Kaylon DeBore is saying.
The committee might feel the same way Kaylon DeBore is feeling.
Right.
But just my eye test, they're not one of the 12 best teams.
Damn.
They're not, not in my estimation.
Not based on what I've seen over the last month.
They're not one of the 12 best teams.
It's going to be exciting.
It's going to be exciting.
It's going to be exciting.
and I can't wait.
Yeah, I just, like I said, as you look,
I think those other teams,
I think all the teams that are in the top eight,
I think they're going.
Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon,
Ole Miss, Texas, NM, Oklahoma.
So that's one, two, three.
That's four teams right there from the SEC.
Right.
Yee.
All right, we got a very special guest joining us today.
He ran for 52 yards and a touchdown today.
And he helped the number three Georgia Bulldogs
with when their consecutive second back-to-back,
SEC championship games.
Nate Frazier is joining us.
Nate, how you doing, man?
We're going to see how y'all doing, man.
We're doing good, man.
Hold on, hold on.
You just win the SEC championship
and you in your room?
What's really going on?
My game room, bye.
You in the game room.
Paying the camera. Let me make sure you ain't got something off camera. Paying the camera. Let me see the rule. Let me see the room. Let me see the room.
Go on. I'm trying to get it. Don't know. Let me get a shot right at all.
This ain't tripping.
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Yeah, see, I know he'll hear of the room now, Ocho.
I don't know.
Now, what is he now?
Hey, hey.
You think he's, he think he's, he didn't told him.
He don't, he didn't, he told them all to leave.
No, I'm not.
He gave me an error on my side.
No, no, no, no.
You can't be, you can't be slick to a can or.
You, you, you think you slid.
You think, hey, they, eh, a,
now, it's an error, it's an error on my part.
I hear right, you hear about,
shh, shh, don't say that, don't say that.
Yeah, yeah.
I know what you're on nightcap.
But,
Nate had an unbelievable game today.
He had 13 carries, 52 yards.
He had that touchdown on the counter
that really, for all intents and purposes,
I thought the game was over,
the game was over at 14-0.
Considering the Alabama's offense.
It was all good.
I mean, Nate, we would just give you a hard time.
We know what's really going on.
I mean, contrary to what you think,
man, you know,
Hey, you know, up, you know, up in a late fifties.
But I did go to college, mate.
I went to college.
You know what I'm saying?
I felt like you did.
Boy, about how I was getting here tonight, man?
The next thing I'm doing after this is putting my head to a pillow,
trust.
Whoa, hold on, hold on.
Y'all just won a day.
Y'all, no, y'all didn't just win.
Y'all dominated.
Y'all dominate the day, and you go, you go on to bed?
I got to go to church no morning, you know?
Oh, you go to church in the morning?
Oh, you go to church in the morning?
That's what I got to praise the Lord.
Oh, man, that's awesome.
That's unbelievable.
Okay, okay.
Hey, boy, hey, boy, listen, I like that.
Boy, you got your head on right, boy, you hear me?
You got your head on right.
Listen, today's game, what did that feel like for y'all to be able to dominate in all three
phases of the game, especially offensively?
How did that feel?
It felt crazy, man.
It felt like everything we worked hard for, you know, really just paid off.
It felt great.
It was a great win.
I'm so proud of my boys.
I'm so proud of my brothers, man.
It felt great to be back at the SEC chapter.
That's just something that you don't do.
That's hard to do, man.
So that felt great.
I'm so proud of my guys.
But you know, coming in, look,
you had heard the story,
the last six or seven times
Alabama had beaten Georgia.
They beat you guys earlier this year
between the hedges.
So obviously this was a matchup that you wanted.
You felt, you're like, you know what,
we let one slip away.
But we get an opportunity to redeem
ourselves and show that we're one of the best
teams in the country.
We're very deserving of going to the college football
playoffs.
And with that performance that you got today,
I know Kirby probably told you,
you guys are probably going to earn a buyer.
You're going to probably earn one of those four buys.
Mm-hmm.
Feel good.
Boy, I know you got a week where you're going to do a bloody Tuesday
about 15, 20, period, 23, 3-I, practice the straight pay, pay, pay, pay,
that's going to feel good for a lot of a couple of days.
They kick my feet up a little bit.
Yeah, most definitely.
That would be good for y'all to,
being able to have that buy, allowing players to, you know, to heal up,
allowing some other players that may be injured,
allowing them to get back and get back in the good graces of health
so they could be at their maximum potential when it's time to play again
could be a great thing.
When you look forward to the college playoff,
when you look forward to the college playoff,
is there a specific team that you really want to see
or you really don't matter?
Whoever's in the way, we got to step on them.
No, whatever's in the way, man.
Because every team that's in the college football playoffs,
a great team is going to be a challenge.
We've got to take your business, you know,
we can't look at no team any differently,
but we just got to make sure
at the next day and the next game,
we just need to do a game plan of the team
that we forgot how we're going to play
because no team just in a college playoff
for no reason, dog.
Right, right.
Every team that's in our college football playoffs,
got some fighting or nation's all like us,
so we just got to be prepared and ready.
When I look at you guys,
knowing what you have on both sides of the football,
probably the way you guys practice,
the game is probably easier
than some of you guys is practiced,
knowing what you have the four and five stars
that you got on offense, the four and five stars
that you got on defense. And Kirby is old
school. Kirby got y'all guys
spunded up during the week. It ain't no
shorts and walkthroughs and all that.
Kirby, and y'all putting helmets and pat on pad.
You know, you fuck, dude.
Two days before the game, we're in bats.
Damn.
Kirby, turn it up.
We got in the game.
We, we, in it.
Yeah.
It ain't no way.
This Georgia is a hall.
to have to go through no breeze through college
and do walk-throughs on Mondays and 30.
Right.
No, Georgia is hard.
If you want to be a great player in life, it's not easy.
So Georgia, you like lessons.
Georgia teaches you that life is going to be hard,
so you're going to have to go through some hard.
Yeah, that's dope.
To play hard, you've got to practice hard.
And I think a lot of teams have gotten away from that.
I mean, I know in the NFL, Ocho,
they definitely don't practice like we used to practice.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
Cut his teeth under Coach Saban.
Coach Saban is old, oh,
Coach Saban go way, way back.
So that's the only way,
and that's why you guys constantly put out three and four
and five guys in the first round,
have 10 guys get drafted every single year
because this is what you do.
We iron sharpens irons.
We got some of the best offensive players,
some of the best defensive players,
and we put them to the test every single day,
every single week.
So when we get in the game,
oh man y'all about to get molly walk yeah yes sir oh jean i got a curse for y'all because y'all some
legends man i wonder what y'all mean about practice how y'all practice y'all give me a story
what y'all through what y'all practice is like because y'all know y'all play that time
yeah see you you got you got to understand i'm i'm gonna take this in first before i'm
let you go on you got to understand when we play young young bull when we played we had two
of days and our practices was you know two hours two hours and 30 minutes and we had we had two full
full padded practices
you know out there you know in the
morning the first practice 6 a.m.
You go out there you got lunch you go
take your nap and then you got the second practice
in the afternoon. Now this is training camp
this is training camp so we had
two days when the season started
well you and you and pads
Wednesday Thursday
yes we have certain we have certain periods
where it's all out
full contact. Fridays is
fast Friday you got your helmet on
you got your shells you got the shorts
Saturday has walked through
game on Sunday
you repeat the same cycle
the rest of the season
but thank God I was born in 2000
Hey go ahead listen
In college
When I was in college
We had old old coach Davis
Now they ain't got this little
Protocol and rules and regulations
Like y'all got now
It was three hours
And then Savannah it was hot
Now when I got to the NFL
We thud it up
We ain't it ain't no
Just wrap him up
No, 9-07, we're putting people on the ground.
In Team Drill, hey, we ain't driving you in the ground,
but you're going to hear some pads popping.
Oh, yeah.
Training camp was, oh, I'll just say it was two a days.
We once had a practice in, I think that was 94.
We had eight straight days or two of days.
Each practice was two and a half hours long,
and we putting people on the ground.
Go line, nine on seven.
See, now they got walkthroughs,
and you have one of your practices of meeting, meeting,
Well, you meeting to see,
hey, we try to lay your ass out.
That was the meeting that we was having.
It wasn't no meeting about what we going to do.
That's what it was.
But you guys, now, but Kirby,
that's why you guys are so ready to play.
You have to prepare your body
to take that kind of punishment in the game.
You cannot.
You cannot ask your body to do something.
It has not done.
You guys hit in the game
because you hit during the week
and your body is conditioned.
to take that kind of.
That's why Georgia constantly have 10, 11 guys go to the NFL every single year.
This is why those guys play at an elite level every single year
because their bodies are used to that and you got great coaching.
You got one of the great college coaches of this generation and you put the best against the best.
And that's what you have to have.
So you guys are in a great system.
You made the right choice.
I don't know.
What made you pick, Georgia?
Are you from Georgia?
No, sir.
I'm from California, man.
Compton?
How the hell you get way over there?
You're in Compton?
Yes, I'm from Compton.
Hey, what area are you grew up in Compton?
You know what I'm at the King Hospital?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I grew up in the Jordan Downs, too,
like trying to watch all my people's west my area.
Like, I grew up in LA, baby, period.
Like, that's it.
Oh, George Downs, man.
You know, listen, you know, you know I went to Santa Monica Junior
Junior College.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I stay across the street.
I had a little girl back in the day, man.
I stayed across the street from Dorsey over in the jungles
in the third building North Coliseum.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what made, Nate, what made you pick George?
You got UCLA, you got USC.
Man, you got 100 colleges in between California and Georgia.
You know how OG you was explaining all this stuff
about Georgia, Georgia is different
than Georgia get 10 or 12 players drafted.
That's one of the main reasons I chose Georgia
because Georgia is different.
To be successful in life, you got to be different,
My daughter, you got to be doing something different than others
to be successful life to be on top of somebody.
So the main reason why I chose Georgia is when I stepped on camera,
I just got a different feeling.
I got a feeling that I was at home.
I got a feeling that I was around me
was going to try to take care of me to get to my furthest potential.
So that's one of the main reasons I chose Georgia.
George is a great place to be at.
I love it.
I love it.
You said something very important.
You say you got to, if you want to be different,
you got to do different.
And I just want to tell kids, Nate,
when I used to talk to kids,
Because I say, in order to be great, you must do what others can't or won't.
Sometimes you have to do both of them.
You got to do what they can't do and what they won't do.
Because a lot of times people talk about being successful.
Now, say, let me ask you a question.
People always, always write down your goal.
I bet you wrote down when you got to Georgia and this season you had,
you wrote down 10 things what you wanted to accomplish.
But on the right side, did you write down 10 things you're willing to sacrifice
to make sure you get through those 10 things?
that you did see that's what you have to do see you write down your goal all you want to
but will you write down what you're willing to sacrifice in order to get those goals
that's when you take it because that nothing great can ever be achieved without sacrifice
the greater the goal the greater the sacrifice must be to reach said goal you understand what
comes along with playing in football you want to go to the national football league
there's going to be some times you're going to have to deny family I can't come to this I can't
do that. I've got to study. I've got to practice. I've got to be X, Y, and Z. And you can't
feel bad. Man, I feel bad. I can't, man. I can't go to my mom's. I can't go to my. I can't do
this. I can't. Okay. How great do you want to be? Yeah. Sacrifice. Sure.
Man, it's, man. I just love having a young kids and I see, I see the hunger in your
eye. I see that you want to be great. I give you a hard time. Like, man, you ended the
that, but I was the exact same way.
I went to one party in four years at Savannah State because partying wasn't going to get me to the NFL.
I knew it wasn't.
And I didn't begrudge anybody that was going to party.
My grandmother sent me to college for two reasons, Nate, to get a degree and go play in the NFL.
Now, I knew they were going to happen.
I didn't know which one was going to happen.
I got my degree because it wasn't good enough for me to go to Savannah State or 10 Savannah State.
I graduated from Savannah State.
But I was going to that next level.
and so you have the right mindset.
I love the fact that you said,
man, I got to get up and go,
I got to go to church
because there's somebody
of the high power
that blessed me to be in this position
and keep me safe
when I'm in these ball games
because I understand
one hit could be the end of it.
So I got to give somebody that credit.
I got to give somebody that glory
and say thank you,
not only for keeping me safe,
but for allowing me to wake up this morning.
Because a lot of people had an appointment,
Nate,
schedule.
Go ahead, Ocho.
Hey, listen, I understand.
Obviously, you're very disciplined.
You're very structured in the way you carry yourself.
Understanding that, you know, God is the reason for all your success
and will be the reason for all your success long beyond college football.
But for fun, how do you get a mental reset and do things you like to do to get you away from the game?
You know, you got to have something because you got to be able to fall back on for me.
My fallback on
is video gaming gaming gaming
gaming is my fallback on
I'm talking about literally
I don't even go a lot
to you OG I feel like sometimes I go
fishing I do like now I'm a
Georgia I do like outdoor things like I do deer
hunting I do fishing and stuff like that you know
it's just like to get a connection
with nature it's peaceful it's quiet
you know it teaches me paces
and stuff like that sometimes I play my game
but really one of the main things I just do
I just vibe with listening music you know like
You ever got to be like late night just cool and just listen to music, the sun, drop.
I feel like I got an old song.
I feel like, right, right, right.
We're just chilling, listen to the music and just vibe.
Like, I really like being around with all the carotering and loud noise and stuff.
Right.
But for fun time, I just like to chill and just relax, man.
Okay, okay.
I like it.
Seven days out the week physically, you know, sometimes you want to chill and relax.
What's what you fish for?
What you go and fishing for?
Uh, I ain't a lie.
I just started fishing.
Oh, so you catching anything to bite?
Catfish, large, mouth, small mouth,
perch, bluegill, garfish,
croaker, whiting, it don't battle, Shan, Mullen.
Do you say you like the hunt?
I'm starting to like it.
I just don't like this after process.
Oh, you don't like you.
Okay, you don't like the dress.
You don't like to dress.
you okay what you what you're going hunting for you hunt for you hunt for what are you
hunt for you have you killed one you have you taken one not I won I got one I got
one up yeah I got to give me a dog I got a couple man how you kill them oh I don't
understand there's a small period that you can't you can't kill the doles you
ought to be ashamed yeah it was it was a decent size one no I got to give me a bug me
yeah I thought you got a spike or yarlene buck or something like that
You killed a dope, man.
Oh, man.
I can't believe you.
I'm going to, I felt bad too.
Yeah.
Hey, Nate, I got to show you.
I got to show you this footage.
Nate, I killed me a buck, right?
Oh, my goodness.
Listen, I was sitting in the tree.
I was sitting in the tree, and he didn't even realize he was right up under me.
You know, I was real quiet.
So instead of using the arrow and I had my shotgun on my back, so I had the bow and arrow, too.
So I was like, Rambo, boy.
instead of using a shotgun
of my arrow I jumped on his back
from the tree
I jumped off the purse
and I was round his neck
I had him round the neck
and I put him in like a full Nelson
okay
choked him out
if you're doing all that
they probably might need to put you back on the field
no no no no no no
because I heard somebody on the field
boy
I'm really
yeah
but that's unbelievable man
Nate congratulations on the big win today
congratulations on your season
thus far. Now, you know
it's not over now because
your ultimate goal, you know, you want to win
an SEC championship, you want to get in the
college football playoff, now you're there two or three.
Now you want to finish this thing off.
And when you get to the next level,
that's the start
of the journey. It's not the
end, it's the start. You start
the process all over again.
So congratulations on this year. Stay
healthy, man, and we look forward. We're going to watch
you down the road, man. You turn me into a Georgia fan, man.
You make me proud, man.
having a conversation with you today.
I'm extremely happy for you.
I'm extremely proud of you,
and I wish you all the best moving forward.
I appreciate you.
Thank you for your time, man.
It's a blessing.
Thank you, bro.
All the best.
Love, boy.
Good love.
May Frazier, Georgia running back,
13 carries 52 yards and a touchdown today
and a 287 win over Alabama
and the SEC championship.
Texas Tech, all in best just played off.
After the off season, the big spending
for the number four Red Raiders secured
the first Big 12 championship in program.
history with a resounding 34-7 win over the number 11, BYU Cougars.
Texas Tech assembled what can now be called one of the greatest transfer portal
classes up in the evolving era of the NIL and transfers in college football,
a group of 22 incoming transfer that yielded 11 players who started in the Big 12 title game
and for first team, all Big 12 performers.
Texas Tech has built ways to believe to be the best.
defensive line in college.
David Bailey and Romelo
Hype bringing non-stop pressure,
Lee Hunter, Scholar Gill Howard,
and A.J. Holmes, Jr.
Reeking havoc outside, five
handpicked players out of the porters
who could transfer not just
their front, but their entire defense.
I love what the
Rodriguez says, hey,
if we got the best team money
could buy, why did I do the right,
why not go ahead and end this thing off the right way?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
definitely but honestly you know this big 12 championship it almost looked it it was it was one
side it was a one-way street similar to the the georgia Alabama game it was almost as if at
by you didn't belong there even though they did they earned their right to be in the big 12 championship
but texas tech showed that there's levels they show that there's levels of the game and they
showed that it's levels to college football and being in that big 12 championship and showed
why they actually made it there um i mean there's not
much to talk about, you know, for, for BYU, but for Texas Tech, listen, it was a dominating
performance. It was a dominating performance across the goddamn board. When you pay big
money for something, don't you expect to get what you pay for? How many times have we seen,
how many times have we seen it, Ocho? Somebody, or teams spend big money and they don't get
what they paid for. Or you spend big money on something and it wasn't what you thought it would
be. With Texas Tech spent $15, $20 million, this is what I expect. I expect. I expect. I expect
to be in the big 10 big 12 championship I expect to win the big 10 big 12 championship and I expect to get to the college football playoffs and do you know what that whatever happens happens but this is what the expectation at the beginning of the season this is why we spent that money that's why we go and get all these guys out of the transfer portal this is why we look started we got a little 22 guys we brought in 11 of them became starters form became first team uh first team all big 12 they're going to have some all americans that Jacob rodriguez he's going to win a lot of us he's going to win a lot of them.
he's going to win the buckets he's going to probably win the gursky he's going to
probably win all a lot of the wars that goes to the uh uh the best defensive player he's going
win it mm-hmm he's going to win it and he earned it he's a hell of a player he nice he's nice
boy he's nice he won the buckets yeah yeah because i guess the war so where does the uh uh the
The ESP and awards show, the Home Depot award show, that, is that Monday?
The next Monday?
No, it comes on to the night, no one comes on during the week.
But he, he's a phenomenal player.
He's a phenomenal player.
He had 13 tackles today, Ocho, a tackle for loss.
They had eight tackles for losses.
Two sacks, relentless pressure.
Are they all the
Yeah
So the war show is next Friday
Okay
The 12th
Okay
And the Heisman is the 13th
Okay
Hey um
The fight was a draw
Was it?
Yeah
It just ended it just ended in a draw
Oh man
You think it would deserve to be a draw?
Yes, sir.
Hell.
A pit bull is a problem,
especially if you're not,
if you're not able to not only withstand that pressure
to be able to counter off it every time you need to be,
because it makes him look like he's winning the fight
because he's so goddamn active coming forward.
That's all.
Yeah, and the fight like that,
you've got to be able to fight off your back foot
and very few people can fight off that.
Everybody likes to come forward.
They like to dictate the fight.
That was the one thing about Floyd.
Floyd can fight either.
How you want to fight?
Come forward.
And every time you throw,
I'm going to hit you side your damn head.
Every time.
I'm going to catch you with something.
Hey, man, you know, he boom.
Hey, he'll body shot, body shot.
And then here come a check hook.
You throw something, he throws something right back over the top.
He was, hey, man, he was.
But, uh, but this, uh, uh, we're going to get to the fight.
But Texas Tech, there's advertising.
watching them today
there's advertised
they're as good as advertised
and sometimes you know
you're looking like man
I wonder what this
because it's really my first
you know you see a little here
and there you watch a little bit of it
but today I got an opportunity
to sit down and really watch them
watch them as advertised
they are the real deal
they're a real deal
that defense is legit
they put so much pressure on you
they put you under the rest
offensively they ran 41 times
for 159 yards
The quarterback was 20 and 33, 215, two touchdowns, no interceptions.
They're legit.
They legit.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
They're going to get, they're probably going to get one of those buys also, Ocho.
I think Indiana definitely get a buy.
Georgia will get a buy.
Texas Tech will get a buy.
I think Ohio State is going to get the other buy.
I think Ohio State to get the other buy.
Texas Tech is going to get a buy.
are Indiana is going to be the number one
overall seed
I wouldn't
I honestly
I wouldn't want no buy
you ain't got no choice
Ocho I know I know I know what you mean
I know I know they I know they don't have a choice
I just the momentum the momentum
I don't know everybody has a buy
because you got to think about it
the season is over now
they're not going to play when the first game
like the end of December
the first game probably not for another two weeks
Yeah
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