Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ja Morant New gestures, Denver fires head coach, Pat Bev talks NBA drama

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best hoops stories of the week, including Ja Morant’s new hand grenade gesture, the Nuggets firing head coach Mike Malone & ...GM, Patrick Beverly joins talks NBA drama, & much more!04:16 - Denver fires GM & head coach11:30 - Pat Bev Talks Ja Morant, NBA Drama & More!54:00 - Florida wins NCAA Championship1:05:30 - Dan Hurley regrets remarks(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:38 Head over to your nearest Boost Mobile store and make the most out of your tax refund. Head Coach Mike Malone and the General Manager, Calvin Booth was terminated. DFB reported that the tension had been brewing between Booth and Malone for quite some time. So, so much so that the source described it as a cold war Denver had lost four straight and was just 11 and 13 Since the all-star break players such as yoke have displayed frustration on the sideline Vibes have been low according to his source. There's another report that said Westbrook's minutes were a part of the riff It's reported that boot was questioned and broke Why are you playing Westbrook when you should be played?
Starting point is 00:05:26 I forget the younger guys made What that pick it Yep, yep. Yep. That's it. And so you look at yo, he's giving you 45 13 and 10 and they lost on three He gave you a 60-point triple double a 40-point triple double and he was a six short of a triple double on the 38-point game. So he gave you 45 13 and 10 over three games man, and they lost all three games My thing is this it goes back to we were talking about Dallas, right? I don't think this is a problem
Starting point is 00:06:02 That was just been brewing this year I think the problem was lost after they won the championship and they didn't pay Bruce Brown. Right. You lose. You lose. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say he was the defense. I wouldn't say he was the heart and soul, but you lose a little grit. Right. Yeah. When things get hard, you need a little bit more grit. Okay, cool. Right. They was able to sustain that. Right. Then the following year, year they came up short They lost to Minnesota and actually the year before Bruce Brown had a stellar He got paid off that Minnesota series then coming in free agency you lose Caldwell Pope Right you talk about now you done lost and as a team you need the locker room the locker room is the most important
Starting point is 00:06:39 right the culture is the most important and and The ability to win games and the real games is not based on the star players, it's based off the culture of your team. That's what we need. The role. Right. So you lose these two guys, right? You try to fill a void with Chris Brown.
Starting point is 00:06:55 You try to fill a void with Watson. And you try with these young guys pick it right. And then you want to go get Russ, right? You're surprised it doesn't work now. And now you have to point blame at somebody you talk about. They beat us three one in the bubble. We was supposed to play that. I don't, you know, that team we had, we was supposed to be the one.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Yep. Come out. Yeah. Lakers. Yep. Y'all had three one. Yeah. We got three one.
Starting point is 00:07:21 So I'm able to see this, this team up close and personal. I'm able to see this coach up close and personal. I'm able to see this coach up close and personal, right? Elite coach, I honestly think he overachieved in Denver. Overachieve and to be able to come down there, implement your system, right? Have a two-time MVP that's selfless. Usually the MVP's like, no, give me the rock. I'm shooting a fade away. I'm doing this. I'm talking about a selfless MVP, right? And you don't
Starting point is 00:07:50 make the moves you're supposed to make in free agency and you wonder why your team is not the same team. It baffles me. It actually baffles me. Pat, I was wondering, did you hear what James Harden said, the reason why they're having success? He said personnel. He said personnel. He said personnel. There's only two guys that's not there. And I don't know what he was trying, what was he trying to say?
Starting point is 00:08:14 Because he said the only thing is personnel. I don't need to say anything else. This thing was like everyone knows their roles. Right. And as a player who's, you know, I didn't have a cup of tea, I spent 12, 13 years in NBA, right? So like knowing your role,
Starting point is 00:08:31 and for me to be, you know, the ultimate role player, right? Knowing your role helps everybody else out around you. Right? Not only do you know your role now, you can thrive in your role. Correct. Okay, cool. I know my role now. You can thrive in your role. Correct. Okay, cool. I know my role on this team is to bounce, rebound. And if I get it, you know, I get it in the corner, I'm gonna shoot it.
Starting point is 00:08:52 That's my role. I'm gonna stay in my role. Now I'm gonna thrive in my role. Right. He had guys over there. Obviously the Paul Drews, we can name the Paul Drews, the Russell Westbrook, the PJ Tucker. Remember PJ Tucker was Bones Island also.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah. They went through that whole debacle with Ty Lue. the Paul Drozd, the Russell Westbrook, the P.J. Tucker. Remember P.J. Tucker was at Bones Island also. Yeah, they went through that whole debacle with Ty Loo. They were already in there. They were, you know, so more part of the team. You can't forget those guys also. All that mixed together, again, talked about. It's hard to win games like that, man. You got so much you got so much bad going around.
Starting point is 00:09:26 You can't fast-caball. How? Because you got James Harden. Look, it seems to be like James Harden. Kawhi's back healthy. Kawhi's back healthy. Zubas is playing unbelievable. I still, Magic my guy.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I love Magic. Magic without his mind for traving Mike Mascala for Zubots is playing unbelievable. I still magic my guy. I love magic magic without his mind for traven Mike Mascalla for Zubots Can you imagine Zubots with LeBron and Luca Or Zubots with AD and Braun because now now Luca now AD could have slid to the floor Like he wanted to play. Leave Zub at the five. Can you imagine what that would... I only want... Let's, let's, let's not...
Starting point is 00:10:12 No, I was there when we traded for Big Zub. I was there. Hey man, Pat, we getting this big center here. I mean, where you from, man? Tell me, he from, man, he from overseas, Pat, man. I bring him in, Big Zub, man. Had a a had a box haircut. Yeah, I got him right on Hey, man, I'll put some swag on you man. Yeah, I'm but you sure Take your chest out. I got to write top top four center in the NBA right now
Starting point is 00:10:38 He played like it I mean he's had a 30 20 game a 20 20 game zoom is played up and guess what? He can get his points and you don't run that one play for it. Not one. They don't say, hey Zub, go down there, what hand you want on? You want to left? Get on the right block, I'm going to throw it here. Go down to the left, I'm going to throw it there.
Starting point is 00:10:56 All he does, hey, James Harden layoff. Oh, he get it off the rim, put it back. I'm not running anything for him. So now I get James Harden, do what you do. Kawhi, do what you do. Like you said, know your role. Ocho knew every game, I'm number one receiver. I'm gonna get my catches.
Starting point is 00:11:14 I'm gonna get my 10 targets. Now Ocho ain't got a thing. I ain't, oh, hold on. I ain't got but one target. Okay, the next three quarters, I'm gonna get at least three a quarter Maybe four So when you know your role, like you said, Pat when you know your role You can thrive and the simpler you keep it. You don't have to think I can just let my athletic ability take over
Starting point is 00:11:38 They I take my athletic ability over anybody that play I'm playing. And that's with anything, right? That's with life, right? And the minute you start to merge to the left lane, you know that ain't your lane's stuff style. You start to hit that little gravel. Nah, stay in your lane, young man. You try to merge in the right lane, you hit that horn. Nah, man, somebody behind you real quick. Stay in your lane, man.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Stay in your lane, good things happen. Good things happen. All right, Pat, this is it. I'm going gonna need your expert I'm so this one John threw a grenade at the crowd the other night You know, he can't he can't blah blah blah blah blah. He can't do that anymore. He can't do Pat if you was in the locker room with John What what what would you what would you sit down and talk to the young brother?
Starting point is 00:12:24 I wouldn't tell him I wouldn't try to write because I was in the locker room with Anthony Edwards too. So my job in the locker room is, man, look, I ain't here trying to be your daddy, but I'm going to try to be a brother. You feel me? You know these folks on you, right? You hot right now. You just got out. Just got out. Yeah, you right you hot right now. You just got out Yeah, just got out
Starting point is 00:12:51 Yeah, you got to check in every go off the pay off that corner Them folks they looking for you. Yeah calm down Tray lightly just do that for about six months.. Them folks go give you everything you want. You can keep it moving. Oh, not him. I mean, and a lot of times, Pat, we hear people that's not in that position. Let that man be him. Let that man live his life. Well, that's why you're not in that position. Because I don't care what anybody says. There are certain things that you have to do no matter who you are or how much how big I are
Starting point is 00:13:33 It is on but my thing is I hope it's not a I Hope it's not gonna be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it don't get to a point where We told you so you got it They did it. I hope it don't get to a point where we told you so. You got it. They did it. They did it to Allen Iverson. Right. They did it to Allen Iverson. You talking about a trendsetter. You talking about somebody who literally changed the game. Make that right out of there.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Not not not because of no no guns and no AI wasn't even doing that. They got him out of that because of our practice. Do you practice? They made a thing a that. They got him out of that because I practiced. Do you practice? They made a thing, a big thing and got him out of that. So that's my fear and everything, right? You don't want to get to a point where you're such a big distraction that it's a negative kind of tutor that comes to you
Starting point is 00:14:19 and around that organization, you know? So you just don't want, especially his age and especially what's going around now. Right. Right. Especially was going around now, especially was going around in Memphis and these inner cities who need who need that face. They need job. Right. Yeah. Because he's their coach. Right. So if he can like turn that light right and just turn it the other way. Right. And I ain't telling you to go out there and pray to the gods and do all that I'm telling you to be yourself be a basketball player be swaggy do your dance my son do the gritty so so they're taking some type of positive from it
Starting point is 00:14:58 my thing is let's just use that big old light that big old platform you got John that's just using another way that That's all yeah Let me ask you a question. How surprised would you be if Memphis moved y'all in the office? I mean, that's that's I wouldn't say That's gonna happen now, but that's usually the next steps you see a coach leave right anytime We're in a locker room. We see a coach get fired. We're gonna play us get to looking around and what's nobody next man? Then it becomes player. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you I have my sources in the NBA I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disclose those sources because they probably wouldn't tell me anything else at this point and pet and You know, I could tell you, you know, I can see John coming down it coming down here to Miami
Starting point is 00:15:42 Mmm. Yeah, I ain't gonna tell you who told me, and I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know. So if it does happen to happen, you know, later on in the future, just know you heard it from me first. Yeah, I'm not, I don't know if y'all got anything that they won't.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Y'all gonna trade them Bam? Y'all gonna trade them Tyler Hero? Cause that's the only pieces that y'all got. Then that gonna give you y'all best players. You gotta give them something comparable. Right, I mean, we're across that bridge when we get there. But I'm just telling you what I know. That's it.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Because the reports are, Nico Harris, Harrison, Harrison, Harrison. Harrison. Harrison. he reached out to Minnesota and man is he available? Absolutely not. He reached he reached out to Milwaukee is y'all available? So yeah, but at that point in time he's like, hold on, we're probably doing too much calling around this. So now, so now Pat Bell, we got a hone in.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Okay, our next our next move got to be our best move. Hey, uh, he called LA. Rob. Hey, man, how you doing? Yeah man I'm good. What you think? You think we can get the Davis off you for a loop? No no no no no the language was different the language had to be like this. Hey uh ring ring ring what's up? Yeah hey hey man what's going on? I'm good check it out I got something for you I'm about to Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, in the bottom because you giving me damaged goods. Damn. Ooh. How's it going? Damn, man.
Starting point is 00:17:46 At least you could have said a bit of that. Man, you're giving me damaged goods, man. I got my goods. I couldn't even eat my goods. I can't play my goods. I can't cook my goods. My goods ain't available. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Damn. Damn. But I see you in LA, you driving Ferrari, you doing me like this. Top down, yeah. And now they looking at me crazy time I fire me. You in LA, you driving Ferrari, you doing me like this. Top down, yeah. And now they looking at me crazy, talking about fire me. No, no, no, no, we ain't gonna do that. No, we ain't gonna do that, not here, not here.
Starting point is 00:18:14 But you know what, in order, because here's the thing. There are certain people you don't even call and ask about. You're not even calling boss, you're asking about Jason Tatum. You're not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tatum. You're not even there are certain people you wouldn't even call. So the mere fact Rob probably said, hold on, you would really consider tracking Luca? Because Rob is thinking like, hold on, you're not calling Golden State about no stealth. You're not calling OKC about shit.
Starting point is 00:18:48 You know they're not answering the phone. You're not even calling Denver about Yolk. There's some things you don't even pick up the phone to call. There's some things, like when we were growing up, you wouldn't ask your mom, dad, or grandma. I wouldn't bother. Because I already did. Ask them those. What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the king of spring,
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Starting point is 00:22:19 I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Divine Intervention"] Every time, you get ready to go in the store with your mama, matter of fact, she tell you before you even get out of the car, when we get in here. Don't you ask for nothing. You ask for nothing. Don't ask for nothing and you better not push that bugger up on my damn heels either.
Starting point is 00:22:59 For real. I mean that, that was a game changer. You know, hey, hey, Ocho, you know we pushing the bucket and all of a sudden they... Boy, did I tell you. You hit that lower calf, that Achilles. Yeah, but hold on. My grandma, listen, I never forget. You know about Zayas? You ever heard of Zayas before? Yeah. Pat, I done ran into my grandma,
Starting point is 00:23:25 into Achilles, not paying attention, pushing the buggy, and she done stopped them abruptly in front of me and I had no idea. Ran into the back of her, and she didn't even look back at me. She just, cool swing, without even looking back, because she knew exactly what happened there. All right, upside the head.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Right upside the head. Boy, that's memories right there, boy. Yeah, you can't ask for nothing. Don't ask for nothing. We going here, so far so long. Mm-hmm. Hey, how did you? Hey, look.
Starting point is 00:23:53 What we got, though? I didn't get your feelings on this, because you know, you, you, you, you, you, the way you handled this was very, very, very perfect. The, you had two friends kind kinda get into it a little bit. How'd that feel? Who that LeBron is? I know that put you in a little pickle, man.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I know that put you in a pickle. Bad man, look here. Stephen A is Stephen A. LeBron felt that Stephen A crossed the line because he questioned him as a father. You're not questioning Bronnie's skills. You're not questioning my skills. You're questioning saying I'm doing damage to my son by having him play.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Bro, he's the 55th player. I mean, there's only 60 players selected. They make it seem like they took Bronnie at the lottery. And if you, I'm not, and plus you have to understand, the man had a major medical issue. Give him some time to recover from that. Now, if in three years, he's still melling around, okay, it is what it is. Maybe he's a career G-leaguer.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Maybe he's a serviceable role player. But for me, once it tells me a lot for LeBron to do what he did because LeBron has swallowed a lot of stuff for 22 years. For him to approach him at a public setting during the time out of a basketball game, let you know just how upset he was. He said what he said, Stephen A said he understood. Cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:27 The problem that I had with Stephen A, and I told Stephen A this, bro, you should have left that alone. Once you say you understood it, but when you went and made the rounds and you said what you said on Gills Arena and you went to other platforms and then like you added yeast to the story. That's where, that's why I was out on it. I mean, Stevie Day, my guy, we talk about a lot of stuff, not just, you know, first take stuff. We talk about a lot of stuff and, you know, he's helped me, given me some good advice and I like to think I've given him some.
Starting point is 00:25:55 I just wish whatever happened that Friday night or whatever it was, that had been in the... We made a good case on our pod. We made a good case. People should be judged. Case scenario. Right? Right. Talk about the talent. Right?
Starting point is 00:26:14 Talk about me not being good. Talk about... Like criticize me. Right? But don't criticize me because of who my dad is. Like you say, I'm 55th Pitt. Ain't nobody talking about these two bum ass motherfuckers that was number one and number two. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:26:31 That's losing every game. We don't even know, look, we talk about Bronnie so much. People forget that he was the 55th pick. People forget who the first three picks were. Hell, I couldn't tell you, I mean, hardly any of the picks. My point exactly. You feel me? So like, tell you. I mean, hardly any of the pigs. My point exactly. You feel me so light? When you, when you dealing with that, right?
Starting point is 00:26:48 And, and, and, and, and, and one thing I like with the, about the James family, the way they take the criticism is, is, is absolutely... Everybody can't, everybody ain't built for that, you know, Pat. Remarkable. Yeah. But also, Pat, you know, you got to understand you got to understand how long they've been in it How long they've been in so really after this after this long you got to think the press has been on the bronze is what? Coming out of high school
Starting point is 00:27:14 He burst on the scene when they put him on cover on Sports Illustrated said the chosen one Yeah, so he's 40. He's 40 now. He was 16 or 17 then. So that's been 23, 24 years. For damn near a quarter century, he's been in the public eye. Yeah. So he, um, and so it's just like, it's just like any parent. If you're in a situation and you can help your child, who doesn't? We see these, we see these CEOs and presidents and these only companies. What did Jerry do? All of his kids, ain't nobody say nothing. Well, Stephen ain't qualified. Charlotte ain't qualified. As a parent, that's what you do. You try to put your kid in the best situation. And then it's up to him to make the both best of the situation that you put him in.
Starting point is 00:28:00 We got the blueprint from them. That's what we got the blueprint. Oh man, I see these CEOs, they doing this man. Okay, man, this person deserve this job, but they go hire a cousin over here, cousin and really did nothing. They still go hire. Okay, cool. We can see what all that,
Starting point is 00:28:23 so let's do the same thing, right? I mean, collectively, longevity, you talk about legacy wise, you have to get the first, the mom a lot of credit, cause it starts with her and it trickles all the way down. Right? To Miss Savannah, it trickles all the way down. You have to get that family a lot of credit.
Starting point is 00:28:41 They've done a lot and to steal every time you see them, for them to look so royal, so like with so much royalty and handle themselves, what class is really impressive, especially coming from the black culture, especially coming from the black culture. And this is how I know, not only the James class,
Starting point is 00:28:59 the James family is class personified, but LeBron James as well, Pat, because you think about his accolades, his achievements, and what he's been able to do since coming out of high school, the pressure being on him, him being able to take it all this time and reaching a milestone of being
Starting point is 00:29:18 the highest scoring NBA player of all time. And the fact that when he hit that 50,000 points, you know and whatever game that was I Just want to show you because I the rest of the chat is seeing it some some other some of the other people That have been on him be able to see uncle's been able to see it You know LeBron gifted me the 50,000 ball the 50,000 point ball and I just want to show it to you Just check that out You sure yeah Check that out.
Starting point is 00:29:43 You sure? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know, I was on the Lakers on that game happen. Yeah, this the ball right here. You're turning around a little bit. No, that ain't it. No, you ain't. No, that ain't it. I know, I had to play with that ball.
Starting point is 00:30:01 I had to play with that ball. Yeah, I'm scoring two that game. That ain't the ball I scored with. That ain with that ball. I'm playing with that ball. Yeah, I'm going to that game. That ain't the ball I scored with. That ain't the ball. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Ha ha ha. Brad Bell, what's going on with you, Lou Wills and Brandon Jennings? You posted today that you kicked their ass in a one-on-one tournament. Lou Williams, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, tie-off, every one of them both goes, no, you get on the court with me
Starting point is 00:30:23 and I'm gonna dog y'all. What'd you say? Low-fi, high-fi, patent-fi. What are you talking about? Yeah. But so you got to understand, for me, my role coming to the NBA was very different. I've been on the team with Ty Lawson. I've been on the team with Lou Olson. Right. I've been on the team with Lou Will. Right. I've been I played against Brandon James. So
Starting point is 00:30:48 Five on five segment is very different than a one-on-one set. Right I'm able to practice against these guys and I'm the guy that man. I can't shoot anyway I got to play defense all the time because I got to say y'all ass anyway, so okay They know what I bring to the table Like you know that guy in practice that no matter you suit up with you, man, he gonna give me hell every single day. He ain't gonna let up, right? Or if y'all in my case,
Starting point is 00:31:12 y'all probably was the guy that didn't let up on people. You know what I'm saying? So that's how it is with me in practice. So like, I know coming in in the dough, like one on one in the dough, with me, like with me, I'm a different animal. Like I don't stop chewing. I going I keep going I keep going I'm I'm on bone I won't flesh I won't bone I'm on meaty I won't gristle I won't veins like I'm I'm
Starting point is 00:31:33 I'm yeah I get wild when I'm in that cage you know I like that I like that yeah I got a question since you really got that kind you got that in fact you got that obviously most most of us we call it that dog mentality. It's not something that's taught. It's already in you. You already got that. So I'm just curious. You talk about playing them, boy, if you and I were to play one-on-one, knowing that we both kind of think alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw, you think a game the 11, you could deal with me? Yeah. Yeah. Not like, see look, my finger's doing something, I don't even know what they're doing. Right, right, right. But not like just because like you play a different sport or whatever,
Starting point is 00:32:14 that's not the case. Just the case that I will die out there before I lose. Are you willing to do the same? Hold on, I'm willing to die by a lot of things. Like, okay, listen, let me tell you something, Pat. Let me tell you something about me, right? I owe on $5,200, right? I ain't paid money in about seven months because I'm about to dab out of that $5,200. You hear me? This ninja crazy. He's gonna tell me I owe on and I ain't even paid it and I think oh hell Oh You thought you'd better put a ask on the side Yeah, you're in this band this bad be told by all that to my yeah I'm gonna run your money get a ball boy now he can't do it with bad bad to my he
Starting point is 00:33:04 I'm usually had a small example now. I'm gonna get your money. Anyway, I'm ball. Nah, he getting to him with Pat and Pam, he ain't gonna get his money. I usually had a small example. Now I'm gonna give you money anyway. I'm just, I would give, I was telling Pat, I'm trying to give an example of how, like I'm willing to die by not giving it, but I'm gonna give it to you. So I'm just trying to get, trying to get Pat. You show up or what?
Starting point is 00:33:17 Yeah, I'm trying to get Pat to understand like, I'm really like that too. And if you willing to die by that, I mean, we don't just saying you pay. Right, right. I would really love to scale up one-on-one between us I come to you I'll spot you fired to 11 who me I'm talking to you no no no no see this is a thing you play you play professional basketball You have yet to see me play. I averaged 56 in high school. I was supposed to
Starting point is 00:33:48 Go to the NBA, but I got in trouble. I got suspended. I got kicked out of school So I had no choice and I went to school that only had football so I was forced to do that. You hear me? Uh-huh. So I got this said knock a transition into that and if I need to get back to what I normally do and That put a belt the ass on the the court you could be the first one. So with sports and I think we all know this with sports it's a it's the major component that's always important and that's conditioning. Right that's me that's me I'm conditioned. I just played a game a month ago in front of 7,000, you know, 18, five and five.
Starting point is 00:34:25 You know, they screamed another language over there while I'm playing. I'm back my way. I'm back telling on the way back like this. Right. Okay. So conditioning is a part of it. Mental conditioning is the most important part of it. That's what they don't teach you. That's what you can't get at, gentlemen. Right. That's that they don't teach you. That's what you can't get at gym. Right. That's that's that stuff. I'm going to just lift and keep doing this rep until all my muscles burn until I
Starting point is 00:34:51 feel a burn that I ain't never felt before. And then when I feel that I'm going to do some lower. Like, OK, that's what you're actually. Wow. OK, well, yeah, let me let me let me tell you something about my conditioning. Yeah Can you hear me Yeah, you know see ya all right you wow I'm gonna take I'm gonna tell you about my cat my kind of conditioning. All right my conditioning
Starting point is 00:35:18 You know, I play soccer you him hold on Hold what that is. Let me write it back You hear me? Hold on. Hold on. What that is? Let me write this down, cause I like it be a head-banging. Write it down.
Starting point is 00:35:29 I played a striker. You hear me? I played a nine. I played 45 minute half straight with no break, running full speed. You hear me? That's fast. That's no breaks, no timeouts, no commercials.
Starting point is 00:35:44 45 minutes. That's two halves of those Okay, that's part of my conditioning Then my physical and mental condition. I take these right here Huh? These call Rose Falls Now this kind of conditioning I do at home. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know Please you hear me I put Chan cam to live in my house. You hear me? I put Chan Kim, put her through the mattress. You hear me?
Starting point is 00:36:09 I make sure she touch every corner of the wall. Huh? I put on the ceiling fan and I tie it to the ceiling fan and make it go around in circles. That's the kind of condition I'm talking about. You ain't built like this. Yeah. Won't be no post-it up, Pat. I won't be no post-it up. You're nothing to poster dog I won't be no you know man he too little man
Starting point is 00:36:29 man shootin up a jumper don't turn your back on him I just say it that's awesome hey man let the three go hey wait, man, I love you, boy. Man, just let it all in. But those guys, man, they know, they know those guys, man. They just, you know, I get the text. Like, it's funny, because I get the text from guys like, yeah, man, let's keep running it up for the media. And in my mind, I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Yeah. Well, I ain't doing this because no media. I'm dead serious. I bust all y'all at I'd like Really like and we can do it with cameras without cameras. I everyone do it. You feel me? How you want to do it? So yeah, and a fact so let's select is let me get this I Get a sponsor and I'm gonna put 50,000. Oh, man. So you Lou will tie long, Brandon Jennings, one on one.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Winner take all. Who taking the money? I'ma say this. You will be not an intelligent man to bet against me. I tell you that. Don't let him. No, we gonna put it down. The winner get it all.
Starting point is 00:37:46 The winner get the whole 50,000. Matter of fact, add 50,200 to that 50,000. No, we're in for that. What? You ain't fit to add a boat boat thing of mine to it. And listen, I know it's cap. When I, when I tell a person, come on, let's play 100, let's play 101's play 101 400,000 you go get go to your chase. I'm gonna go to my chase I'm gonna take out a hundred you take out a hundred. Don't nobody got to be there. We'll play I guarantee you all I'm gonna say no
Starting point is 00:38:15 I don't know hey, hey, hey, uh, uh Brandy jennings. Hey, no Yeah, matter of fact, I got something even better for y'all. Right. What y'all both know, and y'all say y'all got sources, and y'all both know people that's in basketball. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Ask them. Just ask them. Hey, man, look, if one of them suited up with Pat, because, you know, we don't really know, but if one of them suited up with Pat, how did outcome would be? Everybody would tell you the same. Like, man, yeah, they can play but boy Pat different he different
Starting point is 00:38:47 he different he different he different he just different he not gonna stop he's still working out he's still playing basketball like he Pat different he different yeah so that's all. Are you trying to hey Pat are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you cool with going? You know what? I lied to you and say I don't want to come back to the NBA. Right? I lied to you and say that.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Like, you're a basketball player. You want to keep playing. You want to get a game. Anything you can give it. You want to get a game. Anything you can give it. You can play, play. I still can play.
Starting point is 00:39:23 I still got a good three years left and you feel we just got a couple calls if I want to decide to go back overseas, play. I still can play. I still got a good three years left. And you feel we just got a couple calls if I want to decide to go back overseas and play. So, like, basketball is always a door open for me. But again, we speak about longevity also, which is... You know? I've done a good job, take care of my body, to still even be in this position. So, yeah, if that opportunity presents itself,
Starting point is 00:39:42 I'm gonna be Mr. 94, free to be ready. So in other words, in your claws in the overseas, you can opt out to come to an NBA, if an NBA team, oh, you're correct. Yeah, okay. I like it. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, it's been a fun ride. I've been doing this for 17 years, right? I've been doing this five years overseas.
Starting point is 00:40:04 I done seen the whole world, man. I done seen, I done seen Italy, I done seen Russia, uh, I done seen, I done seen Israel, I done seen Greece, I done seen, I done seen so many different countries, uh, right? What's some, what's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back from the countries? Because I know you got to bring something back because Russia and Italy and Israel and the Greece and Turkey, all the places you've been, what's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back? You know what, I'll just say my mental ones, right?
Starting point is 00:40:33 The people I've met through my journey, right? The coaches I've had, because you know the European coaches are very different than what the NBA is. The friendships I have, right? The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right now if I wanna go to and it look exactly the same, right? I'm able to bring my mom, you know, shot glasses from different countries,
Starting point is 00:40:55 just, you know, you don't drink it all, but just to have something that, you know, my son brought me this. So like, I mean, this ride of mine, you talking about 12 years in the NBA, five years overseas, man, 17 this ride of mine, you talking about 12 years in the NBA, five years overseas, man, 17 years pro doing it, inner city kid from Chicago. Muffin, you got to think, John Shire, me and Derrick Rose, we all the same class.
Starting point is 00:41:15 I was the third best player in that class. I was the last player still playing basketball. Yeah, John Shire, the coach. John Shire, him, me, Derrick Rose. I was the third best player out of all of them. I'm the only one still playing basketball. Bet y'all didn't know that, did you, Chas? Wow.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Pat Baer, you're 12 years in the NBA. You played with a lot of great players. You was on Philly, you played with Embiid, and you were with LeBron and AD, and you were with Kawhi and PG, and you played with James Harden. You played with some of the great, all 75 players. If you don't mind, what were some of the things
Starting point is 00:41:59 that you would think that kind of made them who they are, what they are? LeBron, I'm gonna start with LeBron James, because he has to go first, because he was probably the biggest impact in my career. I met LeBron when I was a rookie in Miami, and he really gave me the blueprint of being in the NBA and what it's go took to stay in the NBA.
Starting point is 00:42:22 What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that. We're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents. The only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season from DJ's mock drafts to my top one to one free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL draft.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart podcasts and the National Hockey League. And I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson. I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say and not just about hockey. Believe me, he does.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, Hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex. Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey
Starting point is 00:43:35 and try to do what Energy Lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate? I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State Warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
Starting point is 00:44:02 The Golden State Warriors once again are NBA champions. From the building of the core that included Clay Thompson and Draymond Green, to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport. I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today, the Warriors dynasty remains alive, in large part because of a scrawny 6'2 hooper who everyone seems to love.
Starting point is 00:44:30 For what Steph has done for the game, he's certainly on that Mount Russmore for guys that have changed it. Come revisit this magical Warriors ride. This is Dubb Dynasty. The Dubb's dynasty is still very much alive. The Dubb's dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to Dubb Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild-haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell-bent effort to sabotage a war.
Starting point is 00:45:10 J. Edgar Hoover was furious somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans? It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the god-damn-est love story you've ever heard. I picked up the phone and my thought was this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life. I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:45:47 Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Divine Intervention"] He just did all extra shit. Like, okay, we sprinting with the Miami Heat. He fucking packed. Let's do five more sprints. I'm a rookie. What am I going to say?
Starting point is 00:46:13 No LeBron James? Okay, we going to sprint and he don't want to do regular sprints. He want to touch the wall. You feel me? Yeah, it might be nothing. It might be an extra little two feet, but those extra two feet add up over so many more times. Right. Right. With James Harden, I seen his ability to take the game of basketball and make it.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Okay, how can I cheat the game? When I say cheat the game, like how can I get to the free throw line 20 times? What's the gray area into that? How can I use my IQ when my athleticism falls, my athleticism falls and still be an elite skill player? So I learned pick and roll, isolation, the amount of time it takes to get from an ISO to, from a switch. Then I go Kawhi Leonard. I've never seen anybody in my life work out
Starting point is 00:47:00 like him on a basketball court. As basketball course, basketball players, you rep it. You might shoot five spots, you might shoot seven spots. I'm gonna shoot five, the corner, the wing, the top of the key, corner, wing. I'm gonna shoot five spots. Him, he different. He shoot nine spots. When you shoot five spots regularly, you make 10. With him, he make 20, 29 spots. And it's not surprising to me when he plays sometimes that he gets hurt. Yes, he gets hurt because he's putting in so much extra work on a basketball court. Wow. I've never seen a player, I've never seen a player work out like a wildliner in my entire life of being on this earth. His work arts are simple. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. I'm talking about make 29 spots, make 20 another nine spots, make 20 going left, five spots, make another 20 left, five spots. Your arms so tired and your mind so drained,
Starting point is 00:47:57 like you think, yeah, I done got up a thousand today. We gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. Two thousand, we gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. Three thousand. We have six thousand makes in a week. I say, man it again tomorrow, Pat. Two thousand. We're gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. Three thousand. We have six thousand makes in a week. I say, man, this man's this man's different. He definitely. Yeah, we you miss gang.
Starting point is 00:48:12 You miss the gang one or you got to make 20. You miss 20. You go back down to 15. I'm talking about when it comes to like, and it's not a lot of ain't no joking in the locker room, ain't no a crew full of eight to 10 people, ain't no cameras. It's me, his homie, my homie, four people,
Starting point is 00:48:34 homies rebound, let's work. Wow. So what he did, what like, and everyone knows, but y'all know, right? With that amount of work you put in, yeah, you know, you might be hurt. It might not show up this game. But in the playoffs, he shows up every single time.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Yeah, every single time. I was able to have some really good bets, and I ain't gonna lie to you, I had some motherfuckers that I was like, yeah, let me stay away from him, I'm cool. You feel me? I done had the best, they walk in there with flip-flops on, the game's starting to hour, they walk in there with flip-flops on, okay, cool, okay,
Starting point is 00:49:16 next two years they out the league, okay, cool, yeah, Pat, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. So I had the best of both worlds. I was able to see people with big names get out the league and I was able to see people that stayed in the league without big names. I ain't never averaged over 10 points a game.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I played 20 years in NBA. I missed the playoffs once. Wow. I got drafted 42. I got drafted the same draft, Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them draft Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them mmm earn key earn my keep up
Starting point is 00:49:50 That's it. I made over 100 million dollars in the NBA man. I earned my keep You recently made some critical comments about the Sixters wasting opportunities if you were the GM of the Sixers wasting opportunities. If you were the GM of the Sixers, you got Max Contract, Joel Embiid, Max Contract, Paul George, Max Contract, Tyrese Maxey, you're the GM, Pat Bevin, the GM of the Sixers, what are you doing this off season? It'd be tough.
Starting point is 00:50:17 It'd be tough for me again, cause now I have damaged goods. All those players you name, they end of the season hurt. Right? So now I'm doing a deal with a team. It'll be tough for me to even get that off. They didn't play well. They underperform and they hurt. So yeah, I'm giving you that red Ferrari. Ain't a red Ferrari no more.
Starting point is 00:50:37 It's got a little dense center. The little paint has shipped a little bit. The muffler hanging back on the loose. It ain't the red Ferrari no more. I don't think you want to drive it. I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't think you want to drive it. I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't think you want what I got to give you. You got to overload.
Starting point is 00:50:49 We got to add some first, some first rounds. We got to add some second rounds. I think they put themselves in a position to either be really good or to be really bad. Well, I mean, when you got the contract, Joe Ellen Bede, you got three years coming at $193 million. You got Paul George got a, he's going to pick up that fifth year offer. He's going to pick that. So you basically, so basically you got Paul George for another four years, excess of $200
Starting point is 00:51:20 million. Tyrese Maxey, I think Tyrese Maxey is, he's on the good man all-star. He's phenomenal. But I just don't know what you're going to do with Joe L. and B. with his injury history, with his age and that contract. Paul George, his injury history is up late, his age and that contract. What could you possibly do? You know what? You got to let it play out one more year, right? And then like we said, with anything with basketball, the first person to go on ain't the players, the coach. Right? And I played for Philly. I played for that beautiful city, y'all. I played for Nick Nurse, right?
Starting point is 00:51:56 I played with Joel. I know how nice he is. I played with Tyrese Maxxie when he got most improved that year. I know how good he is. you go feel a lot of pressure from that city y'all know Philly. Philly a different city when it comes to sports. When it comes to sports Philly take they they take they they sports they go to sleep with it. They go to sleep with they sports they they they drink coffee coffee mugs they got Philly's cup. They go they sleep they wake up with they sports. If you don't do something fast with that, no matter what it is, and don't do the wrong thing, and the wrong thing, you get rid of Joel. You get rid of Joel and this don't go right?
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah, you talk about losing for a lot of years. Right. But if you get the right doctors in, you get the right medical staff, and you get the right locker room pieces around them, that maybe you guys don't feel hurt. You feel me? Maybe you guys, I ain't gonna lie,
Starting point is 00:52:44 if you got ten games to go Right and you you need to win seven on to make it to the playoffs that knee that was hurting I don't feel that that bad today Right, right. But if you got ten games to go and you got to win eleven of them, you know cool Oh, yeah, I don't want to play tonight. You're right. It's just different, huh? Right? They just need, they need a coach. They need a coach. Anything that involves winning, regardless if it's a company, it's a football team,
Starting point is 00:53:12 it's a basketball team, it's a karate unit with 10 year olds, you need coach. You need coach in order to be good at anything. You need the right coach. And this year they didn't have it. Pat, I look at Ocho and I, we had a discussion culture in order to be good at anything. You need the right culture and right. And this year they didn't have it. Pat, I look at, Ocho and I, we had a discussion and I said, I looked at it like this. Joel Embiid ended the season.
Starting point is 00:53:34 He played in the postseason, but basically he was on one leg. Why not have the surgery on the leg or rest the leg if surgery wasn't required? Why go to the Olympics? And I understand the Olympics, America has done so much for Joe L. Embiid and his family. He's made him rich but wild is beyond his dreams. But he had a talent. He parlayed that. I don't get going to play for the Olympics. And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not gonna
Starting point is 00:53:58 allow Joe L. to play. Because I got two, three hundred million dollars tied up in you and you spent the half the season, the majority of the season injured. Do you think he should have played in the Olympics? If you own the, if you're Josh Harris and you own the Sixers, are you allowing your injured player who injured the season, who the last part of the season
Starting point is 00:54:20 and in the post season was injured, are you gonna allow him to play or to have, or are you gonna say you need to have surgery, or you need to rest to make sure you're healthy for the season? So throughout that whole year, they knew that the team came up short the year before. So being around the NBA at that time,
Starting point is 00:54:36 you heard a little chatter, right? You hear a little chatter. Joel playing, KD playing, Kawhi U playing, Steph Curry playing, LeBlanc say he plan, maybe you plan. Like you start, you start hearing about it. And now it became, it became not everybody plan, all the top dogs plan. Right. You didn't want to meet Mr.
Starting point is 00:54:58 C on that bus. Cause what they did, they go down in history, right. They will go down in history. So with that, what the states have done, you know, in his defense, in his mind, he was like, you know, Pat, like, feel me like, man, like my son was born here. Feel me? Like I was born here. I'm putting on for the little home.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Right. You can't go against that. Right. I'm putting on for my son. So like, I thought, I thought what he did, the decision he made, I thought it was a fantastic decision. I thought him coming up, winning and go, I thought he was going to take that momentum and go back to Philly because in the Olympics he seemed in great condition. He seemed in elite condition.
Starting point is 00:55:42 He didn't seem like he was dragging or anything. He looked really good. He was probably one of the reasons, the main reason he hit the mid-rank shot when, when, when U.S. couldn't score, uh, right there on the right wing, uh, over Jokic against, uh, Srebrenica. Yeah. Yeah. So he hit that shot. That was a big shot. People don't understand. That's probably one of the biggest shots because the USA couldn't score. He hit that shot. They go on, Steph Curry do his thing, LeBron do his thing, but they win the game. Like they brung home the gold. I can he had that shot they go on Steph Curry do his thing LeBron do his thing But they win a game like they brought home the gold I can never fault a person who put on for his country and brought us back go on
Starting point is 00:56:11 mmm No, but if you if you Josh Harris and you got 300 million dollars tied up in it you yeah Yeah, if you just hear you looking at it from a whole different beast. Yeah Yeah, you looking at it from a business point. Yeah, I hear you. I hear that. I hear you. But yeah, we gonna need gold in Philly, too. So yeah, it goes both ways.
Starting point is 00:56:31 Yeah. I'm just glad I ain't Josh Harris, huh? I'm glad I... That's a hard job to have. That's a hard job to have. Because you shelling out money because here's the thing. And you had, uh... What's the gym in Philly?
Starting point is 00:56:46 You had him in Houston. You talking about the GM? I walk on the bus, I say, hey, Deremore, you trading me? He, no, Pat, I ain't trading you. I was trading three days later. Damn. And you know me, I'm 12 years in, and I know him. He came and got me, you feel me?
Starting point is 00:57:01 He came and got me in Europe. So he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my contract. So it's my mama know You know, so is so you really can't even be mad even though he traded you can't be mad. That's my man Yeah, any person was business, but yeah, I got on the bus. I got right on the bus. Hey there What's going on? I see you on a lot of away games lady, man. I know trade about to go down getting traded Oh, no, Pat. You cool. Yeah, Pat, you going to Milwaukee. All right, cool.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Thank you. I know the business, you feel me? Dirty game. But if this thing don't work out, because he extended Joyland Bede when he didn't have to. It's easy to give somebody else money away, Pat, as opposed to spending your own. Josh Harris looking like, hold on on you brought in Paul George gave him a five basically a five-year deal
Starting point is 00:57:50 when it seemed like the Clippers was only willing to go to three you signed Joel Embiid when he had two years still left on this deal and you gave him a three-year extension at a 193 you get this better day Nick Nurse the bad. Don't forget about that. Yeah It better work out man. Maxie the bag Yeah, so you got three guys basically on a max contract. It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough I think this is years out. I don't think this is something that can just turn around instantly I think again, I think they got to fix what's in the locker room, right? If it's a star player if it's a superstar player if it's the kid who, right? If it's a star player, if it's a superstar player, if it's the kid who you draft, or if it's the role player who wave in town,
Starting point is 00:58:28 you got to get that culture together. And once you get that together, you can kind of navigate your way through basketball games. That's the easy part. But they got to fix that locker room. They got to fix the culture of that organization back. They got to get it back. The Gators take down the Houston Cougars 65-63.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Lord of Winds and Instinct classic their first title since 2007 when they went back to back. 06-07 when they had Joe King Noah they had Al Horford they won back-to-back titles under Billy Donovan. I think that's what yeah I think that's who their coach was Billy Donovan. Houston had a chance to take the lead or tie in the final seconds but failed to get a shot off in the final, what, 19 seconds? Or 12 seconds.
Starting point is 00:59:10 But anyway, they failed to get a shot off. Cougars have now appeared in three national championship games, seven final four without a victory. And they were really close. Reminds me of 83, they were in a tie ball game. And Derek Wittenberg heaves up a shot and Lorenzo Charles catches it and dumps it as time ends and they lose that heartbreaking game.
Starting point is 00:59:31 That was five slam a jammer, Akim Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler. They have an unbelievable team, but unfortunately Larry Michaud, Benny Anders, they were not able to get it done. They got taken down by the NC State Wolf Pack. It was 19 seconds. Yeah, and they didn't get a shot off in 19 seconds. Yeah. Oh Joe, watching the ball game, I thought Houston, you know, I thought both teams got
Starting point is 00:59:59 a little antsy early, started taking some early body shots. It seemed like everybody was trying to end the game early. And late, I don't know why Houston was taking some of the shots that they took, but I think you got to give Florida credit because they didn't panic. They got down 12 and they didn't panic. They stuck with their offense.
Starting point is 01:00:14 They kept getting great sets. Houston was filing, putting them on the free throw line. I mean, they got a couple of A and ones and dug themselves back into the ball game. But watching this ball game, I know you picked Florida to win it, but what did you like about what you saw? I mean, listen, I like what I saw from Houston. I know they didn't win the game, but obviously I think Houston forcing Florida to have so many turnovers in the first half and a few in the second half. I really thought Houston was going to run away
Starting point is 01:00:36 with the game at some point when they were up by 12. Listen, obviously Florida being known for their explosive scoring, you know, they face challenges really penetrating the Houston defense Early early early in the game, especially once they got up to about thought you sing I'm gonna run Better play slow the game down itself and kind of keep the lead extended But obviously in the Florida coming down the second half They managed to get back into the game and obviously we see how the game ended, you know in In Florida's favor. But nonetheless, it was a great game.
Starting point is 01:01:08 I enjoyed it one of the few times, now that I've been a part of the show one of the few times I've actually sat down and watched collegiate basketball throughout the entirety of the NCAA series. And I actually enjoyed it, honestly. I thought both teams played outstanding defenses. Nobody shot above 40%. Both teams were 25 or below from the three-point line.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Florida was better from the free-throw line. 17 or 21 for 81%. Houston was 9 or 14 for 64%. A rebounding was right there, 40 rebounds for Florida. 39 for Houston. The game was really nipping-tuck. But the thing is, is that we saw the other night with Duke and Houston. And Houston should have known that teams don't give up because, I mean, two minutes, three
Starting point is 01:01:57 minutes of the community in college basketball. But I think you really have to look. I know a lot of people are going to say, Houston gagged this one off, they choked this and maybe so. But still, in order for you, in order for a team to come back and win when you're down 12 points late in the ball game or when you're down at any point in time, you still have to execute your offense. Because even though they may have choked, that don't mean you get the lead automatically.
Starting point is 01:02:19 You still have to put the ball in the basket. And they were down and they executed and they put the ball in the basket when they absolutely had to. And most definitely also, I think Houston in the second half, their shot selection, their shot selection, some of the shots they were trying to put up instead of waiting and allowing the game to come to them, they were very bad.
Starting point is 01:02:37 And I think that also allowed Florida to come back into the game. And I just want to mention Walter Clayton Jr. And it's his leadership, his leadership throughout the tournament Especially in the championship game solidified his status is one of the top performers to me of all time You know, I can't run down some of the top performers in a game of this magnitude but what I saw from him and his ability to score under pressure and facilitate plays and
Starting point is 01:03:00 Crucial moments for Florida. I think is one of the reasons why they won this game And crucial moment for Florida, I think is one of the reasons why they won this game. Yeah, he didn't he didn't have his best ball game. Will Richard played really well. He came in, hit a couple of three early that really kept him close early in the ball game. He played well. Alex Condon played really, really well. Clayton got 11 points, but he was one for seven from the three. And he got most of his points. As a matter of fact, he got all 11 of his points in the second half because he was shut
Starting point is 01:03:27 out in the first half, three or 10 from the floor. But like I said, both of these teams played outstanding defense. And I think a lot of the percentages that you see had to do with the defensive effort. And you look, you on this stage, Ocho, we dealing with teenagers. We did a lot of these kids, 19, 20 years of age, not big in this situation. And so, you know, they know what's at stake. I got a chance to be a national champion.
Starting point is 01:03:54 I got a chance to be remembered forever at my university. And Houston's gonna be kicking themselves because they had this game under control and somehow they let it slip away from them. But I think you got to give Florida a lot of credit because they, they stuck with it. They got timely played, got timely turnovers. Um, I think the biggest turning point, Ocho, was when the guy tried to split, he tried to split the double team and ended up dribbling the ball off his feet.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Why? Why? There's a guy on you. You're trying to go to it, go between another guy that's guarding the guy, but you try to split it. Which was unnecessary. Pull the ball back out. It is also unnecessary, but we see it happen all the time. Listen, I'm not saying he's in the NBA, but we see many, many guards, many, many, many players
Starting point is 01:04:38 that play the one and the two split. We see him split all the time. So I know exactly what he's trying to do. He just wasn't able to execute it the right way because the ball obviously hit off his knee. Mm-hmm. But this was a very good game. Look, it wasn't aesthetically pleasing because both of these teams can have the permissibility.
Starting point is 01:04:59 They can make a game look ugly. They can monk it up, especially Houston, because they play defense, they get up into you, and they make you execute. And so, yeah, you look at the percentages, you're going to understand why the game was 65-63, because neither team shot above 40% from the floor, neither team shot 25% or better than 25% from the three. And so when you get those kinds of percentages on show, you're going gonna get a low score game and you're gonna get an ugly game but at the end of the day let me win ugly as opposed to lose lose pretty that's the way I look at it and Florida did what they needed to do like I said they kept themselves
Starting point is 01:05:36 attached even though they got down 12 points and you like damn oh all right Florida y'all better do something and every time they hit a three they hit another three they cut it to six They get a layup. They cut it to four. Hey Houston push it back to eight. They get another two boom boom boom. They go to six But Florida had excuse me Houston had this drought. Oh Joe where they it was just basically they were just getting from the free line They couldn't put they couldn't get anything in the basket and they hit a couple of guys shot the three out the corner the back Boy, that'll hang I like what? They couldn't get anything in the basket. And they hit a couple of guys shot the three out the corner of the backboard at an angle.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I'm like, what the hell? Hey, it all comes- I gotta be feeling good about that, old chum. I'm like, hey, everything going there for us. Listen, that shot selection was abysmal in that second half. Instead of allowing the game to come to you, you pressing when you shouldn't be pressing. Take your time, run your plays.
Starting point is 01:06:24 You know, I mean, that's one thing to say, sitting here at home, but understanding the magnitude of the situation, you know, things change. Yeah. And plus Florida, early on, Houston was getting second chance after second chance. They were getting the opportunity. They was cleaning all up on the glass.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Playing outstanding defense. They were blocking shots. They were stealing the ball and they were doing everything. This is the type of game that Houston wanted to play. And Florida kind of got out of sorts, taking quick shots, turning the ball over. Uh, cause at one point, I think Florida had turned the ball over five times and Houston didn't have any, um, but they settled themselves down. I think you have to give Florida a lot of credit.
Starting point is 01:06:59 That coaches staff did a great job of settling his players down. Like, look guys, we can't win the ball game in the first half. coaching staff did a great job of settling his players down. Like, look guys, we can't win the ball game in the first half. Let's not, like, let's, let's play our brand of basketball. Let's, let's do what we do. Um, but it takes a lot for a team to get down like they did and still find a way to come up and win because when they needed to make plays, they made plays. And you have to give Florida, uh, uh, staff credit for that.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Um, Kelvin Sampson probably kicking himself. He's like, man, what the hell do we have to do? Right. To get one. But I guarantee you, if somebody told him up, say, you know, at the beginning of the year, you're going to be up 12 points with about seven minutes to play in the ball game. He would like the position of being in 12, being in that position. But that's all eternity.
Starting point is 01:07:43 And it seemed like, damn, can the clock go any faster? Can we have a running clock even if the ball goes out of bounds? That clock is stopping at everything and you're like, damn. But it was a situation, I'll tell you, you have to give, I think you have to give Florida more credit than you put place blame on Houston.
Starting point is 01:08:01 I know Houston made some mistakes that they don't normally make in that position. But even though you made those mistakes, somebody has to capitalize on them. And that's what Florida was able to do. They were able to capitalize on the mistakes. And that's what they did. They capitalize and they're the national champs. And they are. Here it is again, SEC. They pulled it out. They sent 14 teams to the tournament and the last man standing was an SEC team. So, uh, that's, uh, that was, that was pretty, that was a pretty good game. I'm glad I got an opportunity to cause you know, Hey, Florida is really not a
Starting point is 01:08:36 Florida is a football school. Most you in the SEC, unless you're Kentucky, you'll use school. Yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. And Houston, Houston is a basketball school because he's just they've had some good players come out of Elvin Hayes came out of University of Houston, Clyde Drexel or Kim Elijah one. So they've had some pretty good players come out of there more so than I think of the football, the football team. But I think you've got to give Florida Gators more credit than you place blame on the university of Houston Houston because I think Florida got this with their executions late in the ball game and they
Starting point is 01:09:07 were able to pull out a win, a 65-63 win. Oh yeah. What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that. We're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents. The only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJ's mock drafts to my top 101 free agents, we'll have it covered
Starting point is 01:09:30 for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson. I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share and believe it or not I have plenty to say and not just about
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Starting point is 01:10:21 Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what Energy Lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate? I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Israel Guccheres and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the
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Starting point is 01:12:36 Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. So it was a good ball game. I know that everybody in Houston is going to be, everybody in Texas is going to be upset. A lot of people going to be upset because they think Houston gassed. Wait a minute. Honestly, honestly, I know everybody in Houston watch the show. I know they watched the show yesterday and I told them.
Starting point is 01:13:09 I told them when they talked to Kmart, one thing you don't do, you don't bet against Florida. Now, even though I didn't go to Florida, listen, I am from the state of Florida. So I understood. Houston is one of the greatest cities. We talk about it all the time. One of the greatest cities of all time.
Starting point is 01:13:23 You hear me? Now when I look, when I, hey listen. Hey, hey. Look, look, look, if you, you can see me, right? Yeah. Alright, so I'm talking to you when I'm talking to you. Mm-hmm. But I know you're picking up what I'm putting down. But when it come to basketball, I already knew, I already knew how the script was gonna play.
Starting point is 01:13:39 I knew how it was gonna play out. That's why I made the bet I bet. Ocho, Dan Hurley says he regrets his game, his post game out, uh, uh, post game outburst. Dan Hurley reflected on the F-bombs directed to Baylor players about officiating, which was sparked by a call he didn't agree with during the contest. Hurley regrets how it all played out. That was embarrassing. I wish somebody could have stopped me. I got to get somebody that I think that maybe could just walk under me off the court, maybe like a college football. You weren't listening. You ain't gonna listen to nobody. You went like, it's hard, Ocho, when you in that moment and you feel like you just gotta get one of them on. Yeah, he knows it. He's a very passionate coach. He's a two-time national champ. He's going for three feet, something that hadn't been done since the
Starting point is 01:14:27 wood phase in the late sixties, early seventies. But at that point in time, I'm not so sure. He was so riled up and he, he genuinely believes that that called out. This is what I don't like. Why are you apologizing for how you feel? Remember I told you about telling the truth? There's certain times where you have to be politically correct and you just can't be yourself and actually explain how you really feel and be passionate about something.
Starting point is 01:14:54 It's okay. Yeah. As professional as he is, as Dan is, allow him to really express himself on how he truly feels instead of bite the bullet or bite the tongue. It's okay to be, it's okay to show us some time. It's okay. You don't have to be a political robot all the time and say everything right. It's okay to express how you feel for a change. It's different. You don't want to get that caught on camera. Oh, okay. Okay. You're dealing with college kids and the cameras are on you. You can't say we got effed.
Starting point is 01:15:27 And I hope you guys don't get effed because that was just happened to us. You can't do that. You're right. Okay. Because you gotta realize you're the CEO of UConn. Right. Those, those, those, those, the boos.
Starting point is 01:15:43 Yeah. What do they call them? Uh, uh, the president or chancellor, whatever, whatever the provost, whatever they go by at said university. Do you think, do you think they see something like that and be like, you know what, we don't like that. Or you know what? That's what we need. That's what we know.
Starting point is 01:16:00 We need a coach with that kind of passion. That step. We like your passion, but you understand. That's what happened. That's why you apologizing. And he liked that seven, eight million dollars that he collected. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Don't mess your money up. When I get into the locker room, hey, cut them cameras. Man, they screwed us. Everybody know that. I got you. I won't go use the word screw. I. Man, they screwed us. Everybody know they screwed us. I got you. I got you. I won't go use the word screw. I will use the word to heal.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Right. I just. We've all been in the locker room. Oh, we all. Hey. Hey. Cut those cameras off. Hey.
Starting point is 01:16:33 And then boom, boom. Hey, when them cameras off, boy, it's different. You hear me? Absolutely. It's different when them cameras off. Of course. But I think the thing, I think he's right. Hey, let me get somebody that a
Starting point is 01:16:45 Because when emotion is high logic is low you throw caution to the wind We've all been there on Joe we get to a point. It ain't no turning back So what you need to do is have somebody before you get to said point Come on, but hey, come on Hey, come on. Hey, I know we frustrated right now. Hey take it out on me Hey, come on. Hey, I know we frustrated right now. Hey, take it out on me. Being on me.
Starting point is 01:17:06 Hey, why the hell you call that? Why the hell you get such a son? Why don't you tell me? You're right, coach. You're on me. You gotta have somebody like, you know, if situation you out with your lady, you gotta have a lady that's struggling to say,
Starting point is 01:17:19 hey, baby, you ain't gonna mess up this money. Come on, F them. Hey, he ain't had no chance. So don't even worry about all that. I know where I'm going home. I know who I'm going home to get. Oh yeah. Don't.
Starting point is 01:17:32 Hey, I'm cool with that. I'm cool with it. So all that other stuff with he talking. I mean, I've had a situation where, you know, I'm talking to me and this dude, I'm talking because I know black, but he got a partner. Okay. He, he, he up there smiling, wiggling at, wiggling at a lady that way.
Starting point is 01:17:55 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. He was drunk? Yes. He was drunk? Oh, yes. But no, no, but I'm saying, I don't know him. I know the dude that he's with. Him and I, I've known him for a long, long time.
Starting point is 01:18:11 He was a couple years younger than me. And so she brought it to my attention. She said, hey, I don't want you to say nothing, but I handled it. I said, what the hell? Right, right. He say, you boy that you was with, his partner kept looking at me, winking and smiling, blowing kisses. I walked up to him and told him I'm with him.
Starting point is 01:18:33 And I think you, I think that's very, I say that's very unprofessional. I said, you don't do no stuff like that. Hold on, but he must've been drunk or something. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't drunk. But, so check this out. As he's getting, after he was getting ready to leave, I dabbed. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:52 She, he did it again. So I was about to do, you know, I was- He did it again? Yes! See, that's, see, that's why you need me with you sometime when you go places, you get me? Nah. That's why you need me with you, man.
Starting point is 01:19:03 You need your enforcer with you, man. That's like, that's not, listen, that's total disrespect, not just to you, but to her as well, because matter of fact, you know. After she, after she. Already told him what time it is. He told him what the play was, and you still trying to back go my dog like that, man.
Starting point is 01:19:22 Yeah, yeah. But I brought it to the old boy, Hanchard. He like, man, I'm sorry. That won't happen, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? Cool. I said, I ain't got no problem. I said, bro, I said, me and you, I know you.
Starting point is 01:19:37 Me know you, you cool. We always cool. But I'm just saying, everybody ain't gonna be like in a position that he got stuff. Right, right, right, right. Some situation, she would have told it, but she told it in such a way as to defuse the situation. I have. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:19:55 Yeah. Hey, listen. That's not what I need. Only time people do stuff like that. I'm telling you, he had a little lick in the system. That's liquid courage, being able to pull stuff off like that. When you know, you know, listen, that's my friend, okay, he with somebody, and you still sitting there winking
Starting point is 01:20:08 and smiling and trying to catch somebody's attention, trying to see if she gonna play. You know, all right, bad, okay. Bro, I'm like, bro, I mean, Ocho, we all done been around, look, if you're a professional athlete, you done been around situation where somebody got a bad lady, somebody got a bad wife, or she might not even be, I don't know what she is to him,
Starting point is 01:20:30 but she's with him. So that for, I look at it, she's on limit. I don't care what she is, she's his wife. You automatically know that. She's his significant other. You know that. Even if it's somebody he just met y'all together, okay, cool.
Starting point is 01:20:44 And you know, we already know that. Remember the conversation Gillum had long time ago? Remember that episode? Yeah. You know, you know, you know, as NBA players, NFL players, you already know who's off limits. No limits. Now everybody else,
Starting point is 01:21:00 is the green. You want to get the same one that you can't say, you can't say, oh, this, I got a wife and I. No, no, no, no, no, no I got a wife and I know no no no no That don't work that don't work. You get one you get to put one up on the shelf and that's it Everybody else. I don't care who it is It's a green light Yes
Starting point is 01:21:18 I don't care if your wife. She your girl or you just met her You got one you get the key. You got one. You get to keep one. It's like, hey, hey, it's like you go to the store and your mom says you pick one thing out. You can get a soda, you can get chips, you can get cookies or you can get candy. But you can't get them all. You get one.
Starting point is 01:21:35 You can't get them all. Okay. Yeah. It's a rule and it's been a rule like that for years. There's nothing new. That one is always off limits. Now anything outside that I don't care who it is. I don't care how long I've been talking. I don't care how long you know each other. Boy there's a green light and nine times out of ten
Starting point is 01:21:54 in that circle with us she going. No it's like uh-uh but I was like bro I was like, uh-uh. But I was like, bro, I was like, man, you know what? But it was rough out there. It was rough out there. The Volume What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that.
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