Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jamal Crawford, Mark Jackson, Luka’s Lakers debut

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NBA season so far. Topics include former NBA-er Jamal Crawford joins the show to discuss Luka Doncic joining LeBron James and the Lakers after being traded for Anthony Davis, former NBA star and head coach Mark Jackson joins Unc and Ocho to give his input on the Luka/AD trade, Luka’s Lakers debut vs. the Utah Jazz and much more!03:55 - Guest star Jamal Crawford Discussing Luka Trade26:49 - Head Coach Mark Jackson talking about Luka Trade57:46 - Luka Debuts in Laker vs Jazz game(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and he's the newest analyst he's gonna be calling game for NBC next season the one the only Jamal Crawford Jamal. How you doing, bro? I'm good The trade that happened last night Luca a superstar beyond superstar a global superstar in his absolute. He's not even hit his prime yet Jamal, he's 25 years of age he's a five-time first team all mba player and they trade him for Anthony Davis and a first round pick and i think 2029 and uh max christy and in return the Lakers get Luca they they get Max Kleber and they get Mark Keith Morris

who was on the 2020 Laker team that won the championship. So Lakers receive Luca, Max Kleber, Mark Keith Morris. The Mavs get Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a 20-29 first-round pick. Also the Jazz receive Jalen Husser, Escarofino, a 20-25 second round pick, a 20-25 second round pick via the Clippers. Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was Bulljive. I thought somebody had got hacked because there ain't no way the Mavs would trade Luka. But lo and behold, it is absolutely true. Luka Doncic is on the move. Anthony Davis is going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of the trade? Why do you think this trade happened?

What is your assessment of the trade? Why do you think this trade happened? I'm with you on that. I thought it was, I thought it was real guys. The first two, I ain't no way Luke was being traded. Like you said, all things accolade. Yeah. And if I'm a young NBA star, I'm not comfortable anywhere. The blue book can be traded at this safety square where he's at, where he was

going, any night you traded better. I said last year sharks podcast I said if I'm related I'm looking at trade at the gate and people thought I was crazy I said the world is still the best player right now. You gotta have better pieces to compliment Yes, they wanted to bubble. Yes, the LeBron is still looking like he's the bar So with that being said I got to get peace. I didn't know Luke was on the table when they happen who knew But it's become LA. I gotta get PC. I didn't know Luke was on the table when they happened who knew but it's become LA I gotta take that beer. I have to because now you're coming for the now in the future as a blonde says, you know

I'm aware down. I'm gonna hang it up. Remember that is more to Read it. You have a bonafide superstar who has now we see strong who other people want to play this new face backs off So we know he's gonna bring the Hollywood lights. He's going in a play, nuclear is back soft. So we know he's going to bring the Hollywood lights to go in. It's Hollywood, Dan's Hollywood. On the other side of Dallas, it's a perfect compliment to Kyrie. They obviously are going to make some more moves. They didn't trust the fact that they were not going to be in

nuclear on the $400 million. But everyone's going to be how the city is really loud right now, because now we're looking like, you know what, happy trade do like this. They had to do stuff that we don't know about. You know, you know, I also, I mean, I'm, I'm curious. I'm thinking, I'm thinking ahead a little bit. I'm thinking ahead a little bit. Obviously it had to be something internally for them to trade such a great

pair like that, like, like both of you said, is not even in his prime. So I'm, I'm looking forward to obviously the future because Kyrie can opt out in the summer and what are the chances of Kyrie actually joining LeBron again? I'm assuming LeBron comes back next year as well. And you have Luca, Kyrie and LeBron. So for me, I think obviously that could have been an election, but Kyrie got to have some type of faith. I can go up, I could have easily been moving like I'm saying my contracts up next year.

They chose to stick with me. And if you think about Jason Pierce speaks about car, he's always speaking glory. He does everything you want. You pair with AD, that'd be a car in other way. Cars got to be the point girl. He still in this car, I'm still doing nothing. She still makes it look easy.

You got AD, you got a bunch of money, possibly with other moves being made. It's all kind, like you know what, they stuck with me. And also they believe they have nobody else want to be here for multiple was on a contract world. So you don't forget that. I said, OK, yeah, I'm looking at it. And I've said this, everybody knows this is not right now.

I called I gave Luca the name Baby Bird because I thought he was that special. He was the closest white player had ever seen the lab bird. Everybody knew Lab Bird was my favorite. But I always questioned. I said, he looked like he's out of shape. I said, he looks like he's unconditioned. He looked like he doesn't take his training and his condition seriously, his training seriously. And he has some habits that, you know, if you look at Rick Carlisle, you got Luca. Guys don't normally say, nah, I'm good and leave a superstar player that's only 22 years of age, Jamal.

So there was something that was the things that was going on that wasn't being talked about, but if you know the game and you see you like something ain't adding up and then plus Luca is scheduled. He was the first player that was going to be able to get the super max five years, 345 million. So basically $69 million a year. Jamal, if a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take his training serious, he doesn't take conditioning serious, and there's some other things going around, if I give him

69 million Jamal and he might have some power that we need to rustle away from him. And if you hear, listen to Nico says, he says something about culture. When I hear that, Jamal, I don't know about you, but my ears perk up. The culture means there's something behind the scenes that he's not happy with. And like we all know, the one question in all the sports and in life period, if you want to entertain a kid, are you going to be in be involved? And Lucas gave him this problem. So that's why I'm shocked what's happened. Even with all that going on, he's too young too.

He can learn to mature. He can learn to see how he really worked with the professionals. Or J.P. had done one of the best part guards ever. So that's the shocking, the general problem is that, he's about 28, 29 and not going to need a spine or whatever. We still not even airing the spine. And so I will quit and that's why this is a second shot.

Guys like that, they don't bitch like, hey, you don't know when this stuff until he finish this round, we can soak him back because he's exactly good. The fact he's 22, all the bitches are fun. All he's probably gonna look at is 25. He's 25, Jamal. Yeah, he's about 25, I'm sorry.

The fact he's 25, still looks like 25. Yes. Unless he's still a little eligible for that too. So that's great. But here's the thing Jamal. And I tell Ocho this all the time and we talk about it. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Once they got a deal that says, you know what we can win right now.

I like Kyrie and AD and the pick and roll. AD has never really had a guy this, this dynamic in the pick and roll Rondo. And you remember when he had Rondo in New Orleans, the numbers that AD put up. Well, Kyrie is a very similar point guard in the pick and roll, but for them to train a 25 year old, that's five times first team all NBA. It tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to hear nothing else. They can say this and they can say that, but you know, it had to be bad Jamal.

Cause everything that you said is absolutely true because you say you know what his production is better than his problems but they say no hell it ain't his problems supersede his production. I have a question you know both of you could probably answer it better than I can obviously I don't really understand how or the the intricacy on why he's not as able for the five year through 45 super back, just so simply because he got training us in the contract, letting you know, once you get traded somewhere else, you're no longer as you'd only get a four year because he was, he was

almost like a bird, almost a bird situation. That was the team that drafted him. He had been this many times the first team, the NBA player so therefore a la Jason Tatum a la JB so guys that have been there for particular what is it what is it like five like five what five six years Jamal and then you a first team all in the you have to be a first team you have to be one of the all NBA selections. Right, that's your two, so you're going in. Yes, so he's done that. So he was eligible five years, 345.

So think about that. He would have been eligible to get another contract that was probably gonna be north of 400 million at the age of 30. Yeah, I think he answered right there. I think that was an aha moment. I think that's the mid. I think they were more skilled if they gave him that money

and they didn't, they couldn't do that to the world at that point. He runs the organization totally. Most of the right now, like, you know what, let's pay a lot since we see where this is going. I think that might be part of it. And they've, because here's the thing, Jamal. They believe that a lot of these injuries,

these knickknack injuries is because of his condition, is because of his training, is because of his diet, is because of a lot of things behind the scenes. We say this with Joellen Bede, we say this with Zion Williamson. Not to say injuries don't happen, but I believe, the Mavericks believed, a lot of these injuries are self-induced. You're not taking care of your body. It's being reported at 1.8, weight 270, 265, whatever the case may be. But Jamal, you know this, you played this game down near two decades.

You played it two decades. When somebody moves a player like this, we've never seen it. That'll be like they moving Magic Johnson in his prime. They're moving Larry Bird, Michael Jordan in their prime. 25 year olds, don't get moved unless the behavior is so egregious. They say we just can't control it. We see it.

Okay. Maul, your eyes and your ears are still, even if you're not playing, your eyes and ears are still with the NBA. Do you know, have you heard anything what the issue might be where this, where it came to a head where they just had to get rid of them? I mean, let's just, let's just take a step back and think about when they went to the phone, right? Lucas had a celebration being like, Holy crap, I got so quick. So you can't speculate that they're having to step behind the scenes.

That was just like, you know what? He's not changing what we want him to be. And if we get in this time cycle, maybe worse at this point. So sometimes the best way to see a person is not look. Because if you look, they don't know their best behavior. So sometimes you guys say, let me do some logic move with that. Let me see if you got a check now. This with anybody, right? Let me see if they are diligent with their professionalism. You watch them, that's as much as you watch the talent there. But going back to how this happened so fast, let's go back and figure it out.

Nico Harrison was called me back with like, Rob Linden was called me dated. So you know they had a relationship and relationship and all type of conversation they had. So that's why I'm like, we can move so fast. And not get out. But here's the thing,

this is what we know. Young athletes that hurt, become old athletes that get hurt. And the worst thing you can have is an old guy that's got you owe him 200 million, you owe 300 million. Because I just read a thing the other day when it said Joel Embiid has made 125 million for the games that he's missed. You want that on Luke, you want that, you want Lucas salary, 345 million and Harry Yivs. And they believe that those injuries, a lot of those have been exacerbated by his

condition. And you remember he was nursing the knee injury last year in the championship game. I mean, excuse me, in the NBA finals and leading up to the finals, we like, well, how long can he go on that look? So now you hear culture, you hear, you see a guy that has no interest in playing any level of defense, not at all. Uh, uh. Some got to give away, you know, everybody's gonna have flaws when you think

about NBA players, hell, even NFL players, everybody has their strengths, his strengths and his identity is on the offensive side of the ball. So you know what you don't get from the defensive side of the end, but he's so great at what he's done offensively, hell, you got to take that. So how do you like Mr. Luke?

You watch the Lakers as close as anybody. How do you like the fit? I just don't, but here's the thing. LeBron is at the age, he can't play consistent defense. Luca doesn't play any defense. You traded your two best defenders, your wing defenders, Max Christie on ball and AD, your help defender on ball can defend one through five.

He's tremendous in the pick and roll. He's great at weak side help. Look, you got guys that can score, but who can they stop? Look, I understand, this is what the Lakers and I've studied the Lakers and I know the Lakers. This is what the Lakers do. They got Will because they love superstars and then later you got to have them. You cannot get them, you cannot survive as the Lakers without superstars. So they go get Will and then they follow that up with Kareem and they go get Shaq and they go get LeBron and now they go get, and they go get Luca. You gotta have that. If you're going to be LA, if you're going to

be the Lakers, you look at the Dodgers, that's what they do. You see Shohei, you see Mookie. That's what they do in order for you to survive out here. That's why they went and traded for Matthew Stafford, Ocho. You gotta have a star. You gotta have stars, Aaron Donald. You gotta have stars to survive out here if you wanna win because there's too much going on in LA. We got beaches, we got Samo, we got rooftops.

You got so much going on. And if you don't win, they not coming to see you. But I'm telling you, you don't win they're not coming to see you but I'm telling you I don't care see that's the notion that people make Jamal and you know this a lot of times people say well as long as I'm doing my job you shouldn't care about no no no no no it doesn't work like that because see your job is being a professional that's your job how you conduct yourself while you doing your job that's called being a pro.

And say, we don't like the pro. We love the professional because he's given us 29, 32, 34, nine and nine. We know what he can do, but that pro eventually will catch up with us. His behavior and the way he does things that say, nah, we got to nip this in the bud. We got to break his plate at 25 because he's going to become unky. Bro, we let him get two years into 60 and 70 million dollar contract. Hey, that joke might come in. Hey, he might come into the game drinking a beer. He might come to the game and smoking on hookah because we know Luca love his hookah now, Jamal. He love his hookah. Luca love his hookah. He love his hookah.

And when you sit back and look at it, Rick Carlisle left. He refused the contract extension. He had Luca at 22, 23. What don't you know? Would walk away from LeBron, walk away from a magic Johnson, Larry Bird. That's what Lucas, the comparison is.

I'm not saying he's not won a championship. He hasn't won an MVP, but that's what he is in today's turn. Ain't no coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but coaches, because they know how hard it is to get one of those guys. Those guys, you know, those guys like Lucas,

they don't come out in the draft every year. A LeBron, a Magic, a Bird, they don't come. So if I get one, I will keep this joke as long as I can. As long as they'll have me, I'll stay. Yeah, and that's why this is so shocking. Like we have never ever seen this. And it's so open-ended and it was so shocking. All we can do is speculate.

We don't wish nothing bad on nobody, but we gotta figure it out. Right, like that's our job to figure it out and educate people or give them a little bit of insight of why this happened. Who knows if it's, you know, how they come in this body will be a find. Like all that stuff plays a part. What's gonna happen is where he's going

and where Anthony Davis is going and how if the culture is quote unquote changing, we don't see in the next year or two how things lined up and we'll have audience in the future. I also think, I think now he just lost $117 million, Ocho. Basically one year. Can he get- It cost him 117. It cost him 117 million.

Now, if that don't get your attention, it should have your undivided attention. Now I don't know where y'all go. Who makes $117 million a year? Maybe some CEOs, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe Mbappe, maybe some of them. But ain't a whole lot of players making $117 million in salary Jamala. Ain't no one attacking you. Now you got, just think about it. you could have been in that in Texas no state income tax It's 13 and a half percent in California. I don't know if you notice anything. So 40 million they go take

13 and a half percent that's 10. So they're gonna take 4 million to know the three So they're gonna take about 6 million from you right there. Oh Joe on 40 Hey, listen, let's say he missed out on 117, right? Whatever, whatever you miss out. What, let's say he gets his stuff together. Get his stuff together, gets on the right track. It's a possibility he can recoup that money on the back end and the next deal. It all depends. Hold on.

He's a big enough superstar that he can have he can have deals outside because he projects That's one thing he projects globally Right. So yeah, he can make that much but you can't make up what you miss. It's kind of like time Because yeah, let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh Joe. He signs this deal with the Lakers. So 117 minus 140 for 345 so he gets right to 28 28 to 28 company, but just say safe a Jamal you remember when boogie boogie missed out on what 200 million by getting traded to a By getting traded to all the pelicans

And then he gets injured Never saw him pay that again. See, that's the thing, Ocho. You see, we're under the assumption, and we hope, we knock on wood, that nothing happens. But when you're continuously overweight, you put stress on your body, your body ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being trying to go up and down

that court on a nightly basis, Jamal. At least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week. When you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you trying to play at 260. Something got to give Ocho. Something got to give. Don't miss Real Life Amigos, Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez in their new podcast, Dos Amigos. Each episode is a party where the good friends get real with each other about life, careers, and everything about everything. And you're right there with them. When I discovered acting, I've just found my calling.

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It was a moment that should have broken me, but just because of how I was raised and my bullishness and arrogance to want to be great hardened me. It gave me a platform to be so singularly focused on greatness. We all have moments like this. Something happens that's supposed to break us. But it's in these moments that we discover

what we're really made of. I promise you, if anyone knows this, it's me. I'm Ashlyn Harris. You got a Ferrari and you keep hauling logs on top of it and you see what happened to it. That's like, oh, so he's talking about he going to play me when I'm going in here drinking coke. You can't play me. You need that for me.

I mean, hold on. You got to get that. I understand. I would go on five for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and a Coke. So you know, having to deal with you at my age with the skill set would never have it any injuries that's easy work yeah you see you doing that 25 listen listen listen AJ number the number they the man created that whenever you ready I'm here that's all they got to say

let me ask you a question, Jamal. Who do you think won the trade? I think Dallas is on the immediate future, but really, I think the labor is on the future part. And the reason being is, if he wouldn't let us help with it. And as you know, like we've seen sometimes when he's dancing his fault,

and he's played his games over the last few years, but he's gonna have a different work mode now. You like to say he's gonna be involved in picking roles a lot with Kyrie. Uh, Luke, that's a great chance for LeBron to meet you as a future superstar whenever LeBron decide he's having that because you gotta have that role. So I think those two have to learn it even just so so weird. The weirdness of it means everything because I just It ain't just so weird. The weirdness of it means everything. Because I just, who would've guessed it? Would you imagine doing such a thing?

Well, you know, or not getting treated or getting treated, it's just shocking. That's why I said, don't tell you something else. I think it's gonna be one at that level. I think it's gonna be a shocking for it to happen only the next time I play it. I promise you, I think something's gonna happen.

And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert. Yeah. Dallas didn't want but one first round pick. I think give me 27. Give me 29 I want a pick swap in between and and give me what you gave me Yeah Yes, that's all I be because this dude is each generation So good at Fowson ball look what will figure out the game in a long time. When he's playing at a time, he know he's playing a huge game with your coach.

He and Jekyll got that quality in the ground as well. Oh, you know this? I got you on that. Old Chewbacca only exposed him over there. Like he's one of those dudes. The games. He's always setting the place like he got hair cold though. Like he used to in the Shaw Bear song. He saw it peacefully in the game. That is crazy. But that's something that always can be But that thing, you don't see.

I can't wait to see it. Three times six man of the year, the oldest man in NBA history to have a 50 point game. The only man in NBA history to have 50, at least 50 with four different franchises. The one, the only Jamal Crawford. Good luck next year in calling games on NBC Jamal. Congratulations, job well done.

Hey, really appreciate you stopping by to drop off or some insight into this big trade. Appreciate y'all. Thank you. I even shout to my guys and John take me already. Be healthy. We root for you. Yeah, thank you.

All right. Sorry. Now we're joined by a former NBA rookie of the year, all star, former Warriors head coach Mark Jackson. Mark, talk to us bro, how you doing? Everybody's great bro, we cannot, we cannot complain, huh? Huh? Hey, turn your camera on Mark.

I would say how I do. You've got to pull a shadow sharp, audio only. How do I do that? Hey, turn your camera on Mark I was gonna share the sharp audio only how do I do that? There you go, yeah Cold for so long. Are you good? What's up? What's up man, you good? What's up? What's up, man? You good? Happy Pro for y'all. Appreciate it, Mark. Mark, let's get into this trade, bro.

It came out of nowhere. Normally trades like this, it had to be a special type of relationship because you had to sit on it. Because prior to it dropping, there was no win. AD getting traded, nothing about Luka getting traded. And then boom, you're trading a 25 year old, five time first team all NBA player that hasn't even reached his prime yet. Or Anthony Davis, a first round pick and Max Christie.

Talk to us about the trade, you coached this game, you played this game. Talk to us, how does a deal like this happen? But we don't know the truth of everything. That's first and foremost. This is an incredible deal that was pulled off by Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers, primarily Niko Harrison and Rob Pelinka. It is in my time of playing basketball, following basketball, coaching basketball, it is the most shocking trade pulled off basketball, it is the most shocking trade pulled off without anybody leaking it, without anybody knowing anything about it. And then everybody that got wind of it thought it was a fluke. We thought it was a fluke. I got phone calls in a minute span saying, this can't be real. Can you, can you confirm it? I'm like, I don't know. I can't confirm it or not. It's, it's shocking.

Like you said, a 25 year old guy, five time first team, all NBA generational talent. One thing I would have done if I was Nico Harrison and Dallas Maverick, I'm not minimizing it to Los Angeles Lakers. And that one phone call, I am opening up the bidding, Luke, a doctor's letting everybody know everybody's well aware of what he brings to the table. I got him a short. Now the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the deal they got from the Lakers. I doubt it. At least I would have made sure the Lakers sent me hopefully a first round picks in. But at the end of the day, you can't underestimate.

He got a, he got a, a, a elite first ballot, all the fame and Anthony Davis, whose only concern is staying healthy. When he's on the floor, he's a dominant basketball player. And I believe it helps only concern is staying healthy. When he's on the floor, he's a dominant basketball player. And I believe it helps both teams. The Lakers do continue to add by adding a big, all teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all the Lakers because they have two guys that can control a

basketball game at all times on the offensive end now as matters because they have a legit big man that prefers from his own words to play the powerful position. Now I have two young athletic energetic bigs to protect him. And then you have a guy like Carrie Irvin who's a special special generational talent in his own right that can do some similar things as Luca and can carry them on the offense and create an offense for himself on his teammates. Heck of a, what, what, what my, my, uh, former lead assistant, Pete Myers, who played for the Chicago Bulls, the brilliant basketball mindset,

uh, Hall of Fame, General Madden, who once said to him, do not make a trade that can cost you your job. And that's what Nico Harrison did. But I give him credit because so many guys, we want to just cruise along. I can win 20 games, 30 games. I could go to the lottery time and time. I could be bad. I got an excuse.

He swung for the fancy. The only gamble I think he gave up on home run talent. But Anthony Davis has gotten state help and they'll be good for, you know, the foreseeable future. Hey, listen, for someone who played the game for a long time, for someone who coached the game as well, as a coach, and you think about it, I just want you to put your GM hat on for a quick minute. What can a player do to the magnitude, whereas that egregious to betray somebody that young,

that's that spectacular, and brings that much to a team, especially from an off of the standpoint. You got to talk to me. Just give me some, give me some type of better context or context on what could a player do behind the scenes that could warrant such a trade for someone. That's what makes it shocking to me. I think that's a great question. And what I don't like is all of a sudden stuff come out.

It didn't come out all along. So let's, let's be fair to him. But at the end of the day, the things we know about, he can be a better conditioned athlete, he can be better committed on a defensive end. You can have a better competitive fight and spirit defensively, not every fifth possession, every 10th possession. I could show you 50 clips of Bucadachas more than capable of defending and having game plan discipline on a defensive end of the floor.

I can show you 200 clips where he lays down, points the finger and blame somebody else. I would say to my ownership of my management that's interested in trading for Luka trading Luka Dachas because of those reasons, I would tell them personally, that's on me. He's been in this league six years. I got to do a better job of bringing that out of him and hold him accountable, defending at a higher level, competing at a higher level, being a better leader.

And that, that would be on me. What about, go ahead, Otto. Well, hold on. Well, hold on. I'm, I'm, I'm confused. Now you think about what Luke is able to do from the offensive standpoint, right? And one of the gripes, one of the issues that he may have is his lack of ability to play defense. But if he is a little bit better on defense coach, wouldn't that take away from his offensive potential?

That sounds like a receiver that didn't want to block when it wasn't his. When it wasn't his chance. That's not my Jack. That's not my Jack. Get it. Get it, Jack. It's because you're not going to you on this play doesn't get you a license to chill. You still have the responsibility. Right. And my job as a coach is to hold you accountable to that because it's not about you. Okay.

It's about us and other guys are watching. If I allow you to do that, and because they're rolling one day, I allow them to do that. I'm not saying I'm holding you to the same standard. I like that in the idea world. We all have kids and that's not how it works, but I'm going to hold you to a standard. But I will not accept in losing. I'm not going to, but I will not accept in winning. I'm not going to accept losing.

I got to say to you. Oh, you heard that before, Chok? You heard that saying, Chok? I heard it. I heard it because guys are watching. I can't, I can't now yell at you because no, I've been doing this for 20, 20, I've been doing this for five years. Now you got a problem with it. See, you never accepted it. Hey, you never accepted anything in the win.

You went to the loss. But here's the thing. Okay. Jack, you said it's your job to hold him accountable for a little bit more for the defensive end. Are you holding yourself accountable for his his unconditioned? His training his eating Absolutely, guess what? I gotta I gotta go see him in the offseason I gotta take a flight and go spend some time with him I gotta send one of my assistants on my player development coaching go spend some time with him I gotta go. I gotta send the chef with him. I'm gonna put you in position to be successful

I don't want you to just chase down being a five-ton all NBA team player, or generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry at the end of the day. I want you to be in that special room with those special guys that you deserve to be in. Don't just be in there with just all everybody else. You should, he should be, he's good enough and great enough to be in a room with just a handful of God. He's that special of a talent. And I'm cheating him if I fall short of holy and accountable and putting him in position. Take away those credit. Jack, you can't, I tell my kids this.

I can't want something from you more than you want it for yourself. And you got kids and you know they've got to want it for themselves as much as you want it for them. If Luca doesn't want what you want for him is not going to work. It's just one, it just won't. That's true. But he is so special and so great. You can't convince me. He don't want it.

You just can't. He's so special and so great. You average a 40 point triple double in the playoffs. You are the best player in the Eastern Conference, I mean, the Western Conference finals, you're the best player in the finals. He is a special, special talent. I'm not asking him, and I'm going to tell him, I'm going to push the right button. I'm not asking you something that I believe you can't do.

I'm not asking you to protect the rim and lock shots. I'm not asking you to be a lockdown defender. I'm not asking you to be a lot lockdown defender. I'm not asking you to be 200 pounds. Let's, let's meet somewhere in the middle where, where now it's acceptable. I'm not asking me, I just don't want you to point the finger to a guy wide open in the, in the corner and you just stand there and you know that's your man and that's your responsibility. Everybody in the arena knows that's your fault.

That's your burn. That should upset you. I'm not saying that it hasn't happened to me in 17 years playing special basketball and in all these years of playing basketball, I got Everybody in the arena knows that's your fault. That's your burden. That should upset you. I'm not saying that it hasn't happened to me in 17 years playing professional basketball and in all these years of playing basketball. I got exposed at times on the defense, but I got upset about it and I reacted to it and responded to it and held myself accountable. Listen, one more question.

One more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part as far as Luger's concerned, how is he going to react? How is he going to, is the trade, this is a wake up call. Is he gonna fold? Now two things can happen. Most of the time, you think you're a player,

you're sitting on top of the world, you feel like you're invincible, you know, you're making good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA. Now all of a sudden you get that call, oh yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now what Luka are people get from this point going forward? Are we getting the pissed off Luka?

Or are we getting a Luka that's going to fall under the pressure? We don't know that Luka that you're talking about falling under the pressure. All he's done in six years is be great. Be a generational talent. He's been special. What just happened? He got late. Exactly. Now getting traded can do something to your mental now.

Especially. It can do something to your mental. I'm talking about a different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas knowing you that God is- I agree with you with certain dudes, but I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England. He's Tom Brady in Cabo Bay. Luca Danczos, we're not going to cheat his talent in his level of greatness.

He's a special talent. I believe that it will elevate him conditionally wise and fight, you know, to fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that that's a hero of him that he looks up to. Now LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times, but one thing he does is take Kevin body and he's an all time. Great. He's a special talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches, he's going to make you better. And Luca Dodgers will be a better condition athlete and a better defender,

uh, competitively speaking, because of, because of being around LeBron James. That's one thing LeBron James will bring to the table without a doubt But you know what Jack I had a guy to tell me one time he say they'll tolerate you until they can replace you Profession Luca is a professional basketball player It seems to me Nico Collins Nico Harrison had a problem with him being a pro Which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't, it had to get to a point, Mark, and you know this, having played, Mark, you

played what, 17 years? Yeah. You played 17 years. You coached in this league in order for you to trade a generational talent because we've never seen it happen before. At 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no other way around it, Jack. There's no other way. You're right.

It, that 25 year old generational talent, we've never seen him before unless he asked to be traded. That's a different ball game. This guy didn't ask to be traded. He said he couldn't defend his life of a balanced manner. a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be traded. He said he couldn't defend his life of the Dallas Mavericks. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and make the trading, pick up the phone and call the Los Angeles. I don't know what it is, that'll come out at some point. It'll come out. But if it don't come out, it won't.

It'll come out in the ritz. Yeah, he's too great of a player that you just decide to pick up the phone. No, I can handle the, think about it. When it's lack of defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's not conditioning overall, the dude was still a five-time first team all NBA player in six years. Yep. So I'm going to live with some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just going to pick up the phone on a random day and call the Los Angeles late. So it's some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just going to pick up the phone on a random day and call the Los Angeles lake. So it's something that puts the button to make them make this call.

But Jack, my, my antenna raised where Rick Harlow wouldn't sign the contract extension, you know how hard it is to get a generational player. They don't fall on trees and a lot of coaches never get an opportunity to coach a generational talent. Rick Carlisle didn't accept the contract extension and he had a 22, 23 year old Luka. That should have raised the antenna. But it really raised my antenna when I heard Nico Harrison say, culture. When you hear that Jack, I know your antenna raised too.

Because we see this with Zonjon. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. We see that with Joe Allen Bede. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe, I believe it is my estimation, and I'm just looking at this from a distance. I believe the Mavericks believe that Lucas conditioned or lack thereof his training, his eating habits play a role in those injuries and I got to give you

$70,000,000 this summer For the next summer for five years. Oh, no, Jack. I can't do that. Well, I could do it Oh, no, I can do it And you would do it too the guy the top five player in the world No question about is a. The thing I got a problem with is we compare them, Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time standing on the floor. That's not Lucas Ishii. He plays her, he plays Hobble, 100%. Doesn't take care of his body. The best condition physically. He doesn't come in shape and can't, but he plays.

He loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of game. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus is how we act on the plane. It's how we act in the locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you an example. Jimmy Butler report come out.

Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for our, while everybody waited for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler. That's on me. I'm not waiting an hour for nobody. That's what happened? Reporting. The plane is taking off when leaving Jimmy Butler. Wait for Jimmy Butler and you're setting yourself up for disaster.

You're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No, we're going to set the tone right away. We need an instructor. And if he shows up to the game, he shows the game we're handling that. But how the president are you sitting with Luca when you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training properly. The dude is averaging 30 and nine. He's the best player on the floor every night.

So you got to find other ways to push the button to get him to respond. You got to pull him into office by yourself and talk to him. You got to pull him into office with Kyrie Avery. You got to pull him into office with the GM. You got to pull him into office with Onigin. Bring in some former greats. Bring in Dirk Novisti. Whatever trick you got to do to push the button. No, whatever trick you got to do to push the button. Your job, my job is to find that button and push it because he is great and he's an all-time great. But I want to

put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not like this guy who had to talk up to be great. When he walked into this, he was great. You don't have to hype him up and talk him up. He's great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room. And it's something that you deserve. And you're cheating yourself. Forget about me.

You're cheating yourself if you don't put yourself in the best possible position to get there. Rob Markman Does he want to be in that room? You want him to get there. Does he want to be in that room? You want him in that room? Does he want to be in there? Because if he wanted to be in that Jack, all the grades that you mentioned, that's in the handful of guys, did any coach had to hold their hand? Jordan, Colby, LeBron, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Jimmy Simone, Elijah Juan, the guy, the

handful of guys that's in that room, Did they have to be had with spoon feed? I don't. Hey, do you think, hey, hey, Jack, you think the culture and where it comes from is a little bit different as opposed to all the guys that I'm just named and they're pros to the game of basketball? Maybe that might be the issue. I have something to do with, but the dude was a pro at 13 years old. He's been a pro since he's been 13 years old.

He's a special talent. And I agree with you with those guys that you named, but there's some guys, and I don't have them on the top of my head, but some guys had to be close to long. Some guys, some guys didn't love basketball and they're in that special role. Jim Duncan didn't touch the basketball until he got into high school. I believe his junior year. He was a swim dude. He was an E&A swimmer.

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I promise you, if anyone knows this, it's me. I'm Ashlyn Harris. It's great enough to get in that room and I believe he's going to get there. And I believe putting on purple and gold and having a new challenge in his life is going to get him there. But he also has to have coaches, management, ownership, leadership in that locker room that holds him accountable, and has the same voice as the people that's trying to core into his life instead of high-fiving and hugging him and giving him that when he won a ball game. So let's talk about you won the game, but how about the big friends of stop that you gave up on it almost cost us the game. So we can have that conversation too.

Gotta surround himself with people that are not yes and then, but hold them accountable and push buttons and inspire him to want it as bad as we want it. Short long-term, who do you believe won the trade? Short long-term. I love AD to the math, Kyrie in the pick and roll, great help defender can defend one through five, tremendous in the pick and roll, great help defender can defend one through five, tremendous in the pick and roll, can help with weak side defense. The Lakers got a little lags on defense. LeBron can't sit in the cherry anymore at 40. Luka, we talked about that, doesn't really

want to play. Osteres, people attack him because they can't. The Lakers got substantially weaker on the defensive end. They set themselves up for the next 10 years though. You can't, you can't take that, take that away from them. I think both teams are in position to win a championship. You're the Lakers, your next move is your best move. They got to find a big, to clean up some of the mess and protect the weakness that they have on the defensive side of the floor. I'll protect the rim, play the pick and roll, hold the fort down a little bit as

German penetration of affection. Um, and, and I, I, I, I like what the Dallas, I think both team have helped themselves because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is and clearly I already raved enough about Luke, the doctor is going to be interesting to see how this thing all plays out. And I think the Lakers can not be judged on just winning a championship or not winning a championship this year They got a generational talent which is hard to find that puts them in position for after LeBron James Lee But let me ask you a question

Let's just say and I'm hoping hey, you know, I root for the Lakers. I'm hoping looking like man I just cost myself $117 million. Everybody believes I can be special, I am special. Let me do what it takes in order to be in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking about. There's only a handful of guys in there. There are only a handful of guys that deserve to be mentioned of being in there.

There are some, I mean, some guys can peep in the room, but there's some guys that's sitting at the table in the room. Let me, let me, let me get on my conditioning. Let me hire me a chef. Look, I'm not saying whatever, what, hey, I'm not saying Michael Jordan smoked more cigars than anybody.

And still I put that there and bust them up, Mark. Some guys drink, some guys can do that. But the one thing you know about MJ, he came in his shape. LeBron loves his wine and a can you get some cigar? But you know, he don't cheat the process. And the one thing about those guys that are in that room, they didn't cheat the process.

You're right, Tim Duncan didn't play basketball until high school. But Pop, he was coachable. Pop got on him to coach everybody else Tim Duncan when he stepped on that floor you know what you gonna get but you also knew he was a pro off the court he was gonna come in his shape he was gonna be conditioned and he's gonna be ready to go and he didn't have no ticky-tacky injuries it points the finger directly to the player they

gotta want it. And I believe that he's going to be in that room because his talent tells me that he's going to be in that room. I believe he wants it. I believe this situation will enhance his desire to prove people wrong. And I believe that if you are a general manager, ownership, our coach, our superstar player playing alongside him, you also have a responsibility to hold him accountable and to deliver the message to him

when he's falling short from that. And I believe he's gotta be able to be man enough to empower those people to do exactly that. Because at the end of the day, I know they want what's best for me. If they want what's best for me, then it's gonna be what's best for this team. And ultimately, I'm gonna be in that room.

What he doesn't wanna do is what you talked about. put his head peeking in that room and then he get Most commonly no he deserves to be in that room constantly because his talent tells us Let's talk about the other trade to happen today The Aaron Fox going to the San Antonio Spurs exactly being going to the Sacramento King it seems now it seems not Guys will sign that first extension, get that guaranteed money and then after that, they're on the hunt. You see D-Fox, he's on his way to San Antonio. He wants to play with Wembe, nice squad there.

You see Zach Levine, that has been a report that Zach Levine has wanted to get out of Chicago for an extended period of time. He's reunited with Damar DeRozan in Sacramento. You like, you have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, Damar DeRozan, Zach Levine, Damontes Sabonis. They got a nice squad. Uh, Keegan Murray. They got a nice squad. What I like about Sacramento is the Aaron Fox obviously displayed his

willingness to be traded. He let his feelings be known and,, and they made a trade, but they didn't surrender the season. If they went and got it, got it, it can help them immediately. A 25-point score exactly, that's proven. That's combo playing alongside of the Marlowe-DeRosa. So they have criminal play, great versatility, great youth, incredible fan base, then you have Sabonis, Keegan Murray, they have talent that still should put them

in the mix playoff time in the Western conference and, and, and still an exciting future moving forward, whether it's exactly being ops in or ops out at the end of the year. The air Fox goes to a situation where he's playing with a generational talent in Wendy and fits his skillset where he can be creative on the perimeter, play and pick and roll with them at times. Be aggressive as a score at times. We get aggressive as a facilitator. It's an ideal situation. One thing you touched on it.

I still try to figure out as I spend time by myself today, these dudes are turning down $300 million. Like, gimme, gimme, gimme my money. Give me my money and we'll figure out anything else. 300 million. I don't care how much you made. This is real money. Yes.

Get your money and then find the right situation. Don't leave it on the, don't leave money on the table. I played with a guy that gave back $500,000 in order to be a free agent at the end of the year. Never recouped. And that was, that was back in, in, in 1989, 1990. Never got back that $500,000. You can't make it back. We talking about now two, $300 million? Are you kidding me? Get your paper, young fella. I will, I know, I don't want to underestimate

this because, fortunately, I don't know a lot about this and Shannon, you don't know enough, a lot about this, but my guy Chad Ocho Signal knows enough about it. That's news. It can be frustrating at times. That's how I watch it. That's what I'm talking about, Jack. Don't. I watched it and I've seen the frustration.

I've seen it running around to, you know, it was tough at times and I was thrilled and happy and you got a chance to win and, and, and be on the right, on the right situation. You deserved it. So it can be frustrating and wanting to X in that time, but get your money. One thing about my guy, he gets it. He got his money and he keeps his money. I'm watching you.

Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you this. We see these things about Zion and Zion has had, and they even worded his contract that he has to be a certain way, he has to have his body percentage down. And we've never seen it. Look, he reminds you of a more explosive Charles Barkley. And Barkley, he had Malone, he had those other guys. And he said, Moshe Malone, rest his soul, say, Charles, you fat and you lazy. You got two things, you young, you fat and you lazy.

You got two things working against you. And Barker says, you know what, if they get 10, he got 10 pounds off in like two weeks. And then he got another 10 pounds off in a month. And before you know it, Charles was turning himself into an MVP, one of the better power forwards to ever play the game. We see this with Joel Embiid.

When you get a guy Embiid size, and people don't realize this, the bigger you are, the bigger that frame is, the more weight they can hold, Jack. You seven foot two? Oh, you could easily be 400, maybe even five. And when you get hurt during the season, now you can't condition.

And so guess what? You're still eating, but you're not practicing. You're not playing. And so guess what? You're still eating, but you're not practicing. You're not playing. And so guess what? You might be 295, 300. Next thing you know, you're 310, you're 320, you're 330, you're 340, you're 350. Now you go back out there, you're 350,

and you try to run up and down that court, and you jump up, your knees go out, your feet, your ankles, your hips. What do you say to that, Jack? Part of it I blame organizations that allowed them to be this way coming in. I'm trying to be your friend and your boy and all lovey-dovey when you come in instead of saying, okay, these are the problems that we foresee. This is what we have to do to put your position to succeed from day one. I don't care what your bone structure is, what your body fat is, I know what it should be. They co-signed a lot of that stuff initially with Zion Williamson saying he was heavy-boned and he can only get down to a certain amount of weight.

No, he's an incredible young man. He's an incredible talent. And you look at his body now, it's different than when he came in. So he certainly has the desire to get better. I think the biggest thing for him, you compare him to Charles Barkley and the bodies were similar, but Charles Barkley from day one had a jumper. He was shooting threes back in 87, 88, 89. So he was a skilled overweight performer on the basketball floor who had wings. Lion Williamson, you're playing against him, you can dare him to shoot the jumper.

Now, can he hit it? Yeah. Once in a while. And I'm saying it's respectfully because he's a great player, but he has a floor that can be exposed on the defensive side of the floor. You're going against him, especially in a playoff series. So that he's got to spend time to enhance and perfect that side of the floor and his range because he puts his head down, he gets anywhere he wants. So now you add a decent jumper to that.

He's a, he's a, he's a nightmare for anybody. We told my elite players that have, that have opportunity to make their imprint on this game and it should hurt them when they don't because they're not in the best shape they could possibly be in. I still never understand. Uh, Rudy go bear got traded for four first round picks. Luca Donch its got traded for Anthony Davis in one first round pick. I don't know who did.

Hey, Nico Collins must know something. We don't, but I'm going to have Rob. Nico has, excuse me. Ne-uh, Rob, Liga says, thank you. Just imagine you shouldn't hit home and got a call. You're interested in Luca. Heck yeah. Hell yeah.

So you don't even have to work. You can win executive of the year just because you picked up the phone. Right. Hey, what, what's that? You, what's that you out front? You want for Luca? Okay. Whatever you did, Jack, whatever you you do what you need who you know

We talk about we talking about a guy that's After the fire after LeBron, he's gonna still be playing I don't get I don't care how much time we give LeBron Luca. Don't you still be your franchise player when LeBron ex the bill? And that's what you need if you're late if you're Lakers you got to have franchise players They started with will with Kareem Sha LeBron, and now they got Luca. So they just continue this stream of getting elite, multi-talented, great players to keep this thing for the Lakers going. Jack, we got to get you out here on that one.

Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate your insight and talking about this trade and the other trades, Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach Levine going to Sacramento Kings. We'll see you down the road. I appreciate you, bro. Thanks for having me, right? Oh Joe, Luca Donchich made his debut for the Lakers has not played since he injured that calf muscle on Christmas day.

Uh, the Lakers defeat the Jazz 132-113. LeBron was warming up with Lucas T-shirt. They placed a 77 t-shirt on all the chairs within the stadium and the pregame LeBron told Luca, Luca be your effing self. Don't fit in, fit the F out. The Lakers will win six straight, 12 out of 14 overall. LeBron James had 24 points, eight assists, seven rebounds. Austin Reeves 22 points, nine rebounds, four assists. Assist Rui. Hachimura 21.6 rebounds. Luca, limited action, 14 points, five rebounds Luca limited action 14 points five rebounds for assist and Godwin the two-way player at 17 points the Lakers the last game before the all-star break is Wednesday against this very Utah Jazz team they defeated tonight up in Utah

before the all-star break let's continue right quick oh Joe according to Sean the Hornets exploring disputing the Lakers' failed physical on Williams. The Charlotte Hornets have been in contact with the NBA as they explore options to dispute the Lakers' failed physical assessment. Oh, Mark Williams, sources tell ESPN. Williams-Dawson Connect trade was mixed Saturday and now the Hornets way avenues to challenge We'll talk about that a little later. Oh Joe. I like what I thought I don't know if you like what you saw with Luca and I look it's only one game That's a very very small sample size

I like what they are obviously Lucas gonna start kind of staggering because you want one of those guys to be on the court pretty Much at all time, but even if you don't have them on the court You still have a primary ball handle in Austin Reeves. So obviously LeBron can handle the ball, Luca can handle the ball, but when both of those guys are off the court, if they are off the court, you still have Austin Reeves who could handle the ball,

who's playing extremely well. And so I like what I saw, and it's gonna be a lot of staggering. So when Luca goes off the court, LeBron is on, LeBron's off the court, Luca's on, or if staggering so when Luca goes off the court LeBron is on LeBron's off the court Luca's on or both of those guys about the court off the court as I said Austin Reeves alone, but I like the way they moved the ball and Right if you don't Luca Luca can get hot and give you 20 25 points on the quarter

But he doesn't have to worry about Facilitating because a lot of times when Luca was on the court before he got Kyrie if if Luca went on the hunt streak, he still had to worry about getting other people involved. You don't have to worry about that. He has LeBron. He has Austin Reeves. But I like what I saw and Arthur Hayes, Jackson Hayes, is the happiest guy because all he's going to do is get lob dunked now. He ain't got to worry about that.

That's all he did anyway. But he's going to average probably about 14 points a game getting six to seven lob dunks a game So I like what I saw early on although it's a very very small sample size Now listen, even though it's a small sample size You can tell that the future is gonna be very bright for the Lakers now I know people don't wanna you don't wanna get too happy. They are playing the Utah Jazz But obviously you understand how dynamic, you know, Bron and Luca are playing together, even though the sample size is small, especially with the IQ that Luca has, especially with the IQ that LeBron has as well.

The spacing obviously with Luca and Bron on the court was awesome. You can tell that Reed is going to be able to eat as long as, as well as everybody else. So listen, I'm excited for the Lakers. I don't think, I still don't think it's enough to be able to compete and contend for a title. I still think they need another piece. I could be wrong. You continue to tell me. You would know better than I can.

I still think there would be, you would need another piece to add to them, to that puzzle, to be able to challenge out there in the web. They need a big. The only big they have is Jackson Hayes, and I don't think that's enough. You only want to play Jackson Hayes somewhere between,

you know, 14, 20 minutes a night. He's not a guy that you're going to run out there and play 25, 30 minutes, 35 minutes a night. That's not what he is. That's not. He's not been that player in his NBA career, so you probably need another big. That's why they tried to change for the Williams kid. But as I was reading earlier, Ojo, he failed a physical. Go ahead. in his NBA career. So you probably need another big, that's why they tried to change for the Williams kid.

But as I was reading earlier, Ojo, he failed a physical. Go ahead. And I have a question. When it comes to failing a physical, is it do pass injuries or does he actually have an injury right now to where he couldn't pass it? Well, you know what happens? I've heard that it works.

Ojo, you know what happens when they bring you in there, they test you out. They start pulling on your joints and your shoulders and your knees and twist the ankle. Oh Right. Oh, it's you. Okay, they give you MRI They should give you all you know all that other stuff. But here's a guy that's been you know, he kind of has an injury history Okay, so I don't know what why y'all so anxious to get up on? If he's so good, y'all should welcome him back. Right, right. But clearly, clearly there's more to it

than what's going on. It's like, hey, we thought we had another shooter cause we know what Dalton was, yeah. He's kind of cooled off a lot. Early on, he was really letting it fly. Had some big games shooting the three ball for the Lakers, can put the ball on the floor can finish at the rim I know the Lakers really like him

But sometimes you have to give up something to get something and they realize they needed a big Luca likes playing with very athletic bigs because he can get into the paint He can ditch it dish a lot of lob dunks look go look at lightly go look at Daniel Gaffer Look at the guys that he's played with guys get a lot lot of easy baskets because, hey, he's going to get into the paint because he can change speeds. He's really herky-jerky. Yeah. But right now, I think that's the thing. They're missing. They're getting better at shooting the ball from outside.

Gabe Vinson is getting better at shooting the three ball. He's finally getting his legs back. Last year was a wash year for him. And he's finally starting to shoot like the Gabe Bison that we saw his last year in Miami when he really let the ball fly, help that team get to the NBA finals but end up losing to the Nuggets. Austin Rees has been on the tear lately. He's been unbelievable. He's just getting better and better and better every year. Would I be surprised eventually if he's not an all-star?

I can see it happen. Now it's gonna be hard because he has Luca and he has LeBron on his team. But here's the thing, Ocho. He's gonna be getting the third best defender. You gotta get one of your best defenders, especially with the wing. You've gotta guard Luca, you've gotta guard LeBron.

So now it's kinda like that third receiver. If you got two dogs outside that third receiver like bag, hey y'all give me the third or fourth corner I'm definitely gonna eat now Rui there's another guy that's gonna get big because both LeBron because they're big guards can see over the defense So they can penetrate skip pass hammer pass over the defense. So they can penetrate, skip pass, hammer pass over the top. It really doesn't matter to them. And we know they both can score. Luca has the third highest scoring average in NBA history at almost 29 points a game

behind Jordan, behind Will. When it comes to the playoffs, he has the second highest scoring average behind only Michael Jordan. So that just lets you know what a proficient guy he is at scoring the basketball. And so you look at a guy that's averaging basically 29, 8, Nate, which is crazy.

And he won't be 26 until the 28th of this month. So the Lakers have someone to win LeBron to finally decide if and when that's going to be, because this is going to take a lot of pressure off LeBron, Ocho, because he's not going to have the workload of having to bring the ball up the court. He's not going to have the workload of trying to have to facilitate for everybody else. Luca is going to take a lot of pressure off LeBron. I can see LeBron now play another two to three years. Right. You know, what you're saying that, we talk about, you know, Luca taking some of the pressure off the Bron,

obviously Luca and some of the pressure is taking off him as well. Even he is as efficient as he is, he has a squad around him that, where he doesn't have to do all the work. He has he has hella athletes, a lot of players around with length. And I think he's going to be,

he's going to be a great addition. I think they just need a big. They need a big and if they need a big, now I'm not sure how many viable options out there that can come in and you can plug and play and it make a difference right now. Now they're not a whole, well you can't trade for anybody. So anybody is gonna be basically street free agents

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["Dreams of a New World"] Okay. So I'm thinking he came straight out of high school also, so he should probably be a year younger a year younger than LeBron but you're only asking can you can do what and Dwight keeps himself in great shape yeah the question is can he I believe he can give you 20 minutes of night Ian Jackson Hayes alternating you know there's gonna be some times they go with a small lineup right but the question is can those guys between the two of them,

can they give you 20, 24 minutes a night? I believe they can, but they definitely need another big. Jackson Hayes is not nearly enough. Like I said, you don't wanna play him a ton of minutes. He's an energy guy. Right. He's gonna block some shots. He'll challenge some stuff at the rim, but he's a good role player. And the thing thing is you don't have to run plays for him

Because you don't need you got enough scoring You don't need other guys that you have to run plays for you got Luca you got LeBron you got Austin Reed that could score You got Rui you got four skies that can score now you need big I ain't got run no place for you. Get it off the rim flip backs lobs Can you rebound? Can you challenge stuff at the rim? Because when you give up Anthony Davis, you give up one of the premier defensive players

and one of the premier defensive players, but he's one of the best two-way players also that's in the game. But you gave that up because he was your last line of defense. He did a lot of covering up. Anthony Davis is like makeup. All the-

Unlimited play out? That's your fault. The blemishes that you have, he could cover it up. And so that's what you need. That's what you needed. So can Jackson Hays block the shots? Yeah, we know Dwight, we know JaVale McGee can challenge shots. We don't know how much tread they got.

But look, you're not gonna get in your kitchen. So stop looking at something like that. Right, so you just have to basically hope that one of these guys that they're able to secure can give you valuable minutes because Luca and LeBron is gonna give you plenty. Now, when now I obviously don't know, I don't know how basketball works to the extent that you do. During this, during this break, doing this all star break,

isn't that the time you want to already have a big coming in at that point so you can hit the ground running when you come out of the All-Star break and having a big, you know, to go with everybody else? Yeah, I mean, the question is that Rob is probably scaring that they're looking at, but like I said, there's not a whole lot out there. It's not like you got a cream of the crop

working a litter. So, you only got a handful of guys out there. JaVale McGee has familiarity with the Lakers. Dwight Howes has familiarity with the Lakers. I don't believe anybody else is gonna be get cut or get on a, oh, excuse me, I say cut, a buyout. I don't really see any buyouts happening. I think Alex Lin is available.

He's another big, like I said, you're not gonna get somebody that's a double-double machine Most of the guys gonna have an older Givail McGee is a little older Dwight Howard a little older Givail probably give you mmm. I would say somewhere 15 16 minutes a night the white maybe a little more 16 to 18 minutes a night But maybe that's all you need Hey, does it matter that they don't give you much on the office? They ended the ball No, we could you got if you know as LeBron James that averages 25 Luca that's averaging 28 off the reads as every 20 you ruin this average of 16 if that's not enough with the day. Oh, okay If you're sitting like the whole your bitch gave business can continue to get better and better

I like this got this good one kid that I thought good one Godwin The kid that I saw tonight they came up the bitch. He's a score. You can tell when he gets the ball his hands He's looking to get to the basket. He's looking to put the ball in the basket. So I like what I saw him I don't want to get too carried away Like I said, Utah wasn't playing any defense tonight But if you look at him, I followed him last couple of games He can put the ball in the basket and he can put the ball in the basket at an elite clip Vandals not gonna give you much on the offensive end, but he's a defensive guy. Fannie Smith. He's streaky

He can get hot he can hit you about three or four threes in a game But you're looking for him to defend at an elite level on the defensive side. So Vando Finney Smith, those are your defensive guys Jackson Hayes is a guy that can challenge that the rim gave this He's another defensive guy. So look when you got off the Reeves guys gonna go at us to read They're gonna attack him guys gonna attack Luca. They know LeBron cannot Exert that kind of defensive energy on a night. Yeah, yeah. So somebody's gonna have to defend somebody. But you

would have to defend those guys also because you got three guys that can put the ball in the basket at an elite level. Like I said, I love the way Austin Reed's got better, better, better, better. We know what LeBron is. We know what Luke is. The question is, can they add another piece, which I believe will be a big, that can give them enough offense, which you don't need much. Can you give us eight points again?

But what we need is defense. Can you rebound? Can you defend? Can you challenge? Can you clog the paint? And I believe if they get that, I think they'll be okay. But just like I said, they trying to rescind this trade. I'm not sure.

Look, the guy has had, he's had some injuries. I mean, he's a big guy. Oh, Joe, he give you 16 points. I think he's almost a double double, but he's injured. And most times, every once in a while, if they really want a guy, I remember I think it was last year, maybe a year and a half ago the Warriors they traded for Gary Payne

the second he was injured he failed him physical but they really liked it because they had had him before helped him with it right and so they knew if they would get it and say you know what we'll go ahead don't we worry about it yes he felt we'll work with him we'll let him take because here's the thing. Oh sure. I'm not trading for God It's gonna eat injured and I got a week. No, bro. I need I need I need you to get I need you to go And I think I have one after the Davis because Anthony was a D was hurt And he's like, okay, and he came maybe came back a little bit too soon It's so nice week that a doctor and now he's gonna be out so extended time and I just saw they lost Daniel Gaffer tonight

So two of them three bigs They lost a gun now. Hey, go ahead. You know, no, it's funny when I think about do you think Anthony Davis injury history? Played a part in them letting them go and not really not really now I don't want to say not caring but Understanding that they could get Luca and had no problem Letting Anthony Davis go simply because of his injury if Anthony Davis was 100% healthy and played all the game like AC Green You're not passing up an opportunity to get Luca Donjic 25 years of age Averaging 29 points a game eight rebounds or six, you're not giving that up.

There's never been a trade like this before, Ocho. There's never been a trade like this. Not, not at, first of all. Is there a trade comparable, is there a football trade comparable to the Anthony Luca Dantzig trade, or is nothing even close? No, because what happens,

if you go back and look at the trade if you say what about Kareem? Kareem wanted to be out. He wanted to leave and come to LA. Actually Kareem really wanted to go to New York. But he ended up going to the Lakers with that being said right, Luca is 25 and he didn't ask to be traded Anthony Davis asked to be traded Guys have asked in their prime to be traded Luca is 25 five-time first team all-in BA led the league of scoring Rookie of the year they didn't ask and they moved it. There's not a whole lot

I don't if you really think about it There's not a whole lot of guys that you're probably not really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that you're probably not gonna move in for. You're not gonna move in for Yoke. You're not gonna move in for Shay. I don't know if they'll move in for Jason Taylor because they like that mesh. But other than that,

if Nico Collins would have took that to the Warriors, if they give us KD make or Steph Curry's Jeff is not going anywhere okay no Steph is not going there Joe Lickham is not going doing that that deal but but we talked about it what the owner said is like okay we put a post on this power back Y'all got too much job and where y'all want to go and who y'all want and yelling and doing all the screaming.

That that a that's a shockwave. Because you heard all the players talking like a less us know it. Everybody is touchable. You know, it lets us know everybody's touchable. But we still don't know exactly what happened but we still don't know exactly what happened. We still don't know exactly what happened where you're getting off a player that's been putting up the numbers he's been putting up as consistently as he has despite the injury and not playing since December. Some else is going on behind closed doors, huh? Especially for a player that's eligible for a super max, you know, five year through

45, whatever the numbers may have been, if you're that good, if you're that good, how do you let someone go like that? What is going on behind closed doors where you let them go knowing that you're not going to be able to replace that type of productivity? Right. You're not going to. I mean, you can get some form, but it just is not the same.

Look at Dodgers this summer was in line to get five years, $345, $350 million. That's $70 million a year. Normally if you somebody's getting that kind of money, you don't want to have any questions. I don't want no injury history. I don't want a guy that I have to motivate to do what he needs to do. One. Second, that's a lot of money, Ocho. And so what a lot of the players are thinking,

well, to keep somebody from getting that Super Mac contract, if I trade it, now I save. Somebody else has to deal with that. But still, even if you save, that means they still can't get the Super Mac when you once you get traded because now that original team Doesn't don't have the bird rights I have a question if you think a player that's that good a player that's that dynamic now

We're not i'm not even speaking lucas, you know in this sense a player that's that great right With every great player Aren't there some type of issues internally? No, no, I don't think. Think about some of the stories. Think about some of the stories. As great as Kobe was, as great as Michael Jordan was, do you think everything was always perfect? Well, there was no injury. Oh because I think what was going on and the issues they had with Luca it had nothing to do with what he does on the court. Right I think the thing was is that the one thing no matter what

you thought were they were too driven they were too motivated right became in shape and basketball was the end-all be-all. Right. And so if you're investing that kind of money, you need basketball to be the end-all be-all. Now, like I said, maybe, and plus, Ocho, I need to wrestle some of this power back because Luka is so powerful in that organization. If I give him this money, he's damn near the owner. You think it may get worse. And so that seems to me... Excuse me, excuse me, I hate to

cut you off. Do you see the kind of money NBA players make? Yeah for sure. Even if he didn't get the super max he's still making fuck you money. Yeah. My bad, my bad. God dog it. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's making F-U money. Yes. You know, all the players, you know, in the NBA are making F-U money. So now NBA owner trying to find a way to, you know, we're going to pull and take some of this power back. Well, it's too late now. It's too late based on the kind of money they're making. Everything is guaranteed. Yes. Everything is guaranteed. So there's really nothing they can do. But here's the thing though, Ocho.

The players gonna be on their best behavior. Cause 350, now you go down to 229. Don't do me like that. I just said that's what. 229, what is it that I can't do with 229? That I can do with 350. I can do just about the same thing. That's the same thing that you said with the NFL players.

What can I do with 75 million that I can do with 50? That's a big, think about it. And you leave Texas with no state income tax. To go to California where there's a 13% tax rate. Right. Luca is a global star. Yes, sir. And you gave him up and put him in the biggest market for the next decade.

Well, this is the Lakers. This is what they always do. This is what they've always done. Go back and look at the Lakers history. It started out when they got Will and look at the Lakers history. It started out when they got Will, and then they got Kareem, they got Bob Mathedu, they got Shaq, they got LeBron, they got Anthony Davis,

and now they got Luca. This is what they do. Right. So people shouldn't be surprised. The only thing that I think the only thing the NBA owners are upset about, bro, you ain't open it up. Do you know what Luca would have commanded?

If everyone had a chance to get- He could go pair with for four first round picks. Four. Do you know what Luca Dodgers, a 25 year old global international superstar? What is that for? So that means that means Nico Collins and Rob Plink had some where they were in cahoots behind behind behind closed doors, obviously not letting anybody know what they were going

to do simply because it's the Lakers. Where else would you want to go but the Lakers? They have to make a splash. They have to have a superstar. But the Lakers ain't had the best. I bet you I guarantee you if they had opened this thing up, Lakers wouldn't have come make a splash. They have to have a superstar. But the Lakers ain't had the best. I bet you I guarantee you if they had to open this thing up, Lakers wouldn't have come close to the best package. Oh, absolutely.

But Rob Laker was Kobe's agent. Nico Collins was at Nike. Worked with Kobe. Worked with Jordan. Worked with LeBron. You see, with now, hopefully people will understand. It's all about relationships. I keep telling y'all, oh, it ain't about this, it's all about relationships I keep telling y'all. Oh, it ain't about this is about that. No, it's not Rob and Nico had a relationship. I Like that it's this I like this, you know, you know, it's funny You know what I do like I like also is we need to be a little bit more and I'm asking for this

what I do like I like also is we need to be a little bit more and I'm asking for this I'm asking for this we need a little bit be a little bit more active on the basketball because now that football season is over yes one friend of yet watching the game court side I'm not watching game home I'm for to use some of this nightcap money one point I'm ready. I'm saving my money. Where you going? I'm saving. Oh, now you want to save. I'm preaching you about saving all that shit.

I ain't got no big change. I ain't got no big 84. I want the ice top on Nightcap Live. I ain't got that. I ain't have five bracelets. Wait a minute. Hold on. I had to I ain't got that. I ain't have five bracelets. Wait a minute, hold on, hold on. I had to prepare myself for live shows. We have a tour coming up, so that's my stuff,

vicinity for the tour. Now I can put that away, and that's not coming out again until April, when it's time to go on said tour. Now listen, you have to understand, now Pat Riley and I have a relationship. Mickey Harrison and I have a relationship. I have a relationship with Bambada Bayo. I'm going to sit court side next to the legos, next to the heat bench, that's only $1,500. That's just, I don't disrespect anybody in the chat. I'm not saying there's

a drop in the bucket. For $1,500, that's feasible for me for the rest of the season after All-Star Break. Where I can get a better end of the game. Watching it up close. Being able to talk it so I can sound like you. So I can sound like Steven. I can sound like Malika Andrews. You know, so I can sound like, um, um, Perkins. Yeah. Huh?

Alright. Give me, give me, give me three weeks. Watch how I sound out here. But yeah, I mean, I like what the Lakers have done. I like LeBron, but like I said, I can see LeBron playing two or three years for the simple fact, the workload that he will, the question is his mind, like you said,

because he's LeBron James, and he's been great since he stepped foot in the NBA. And if there's any point in time that he can't be great, he'll walk away. Just like Tom Brady, Tom realized, Tom Brady great. See, people like, what, Tom, look at Tom's numbers. But Tom, when you are a great player, you only get compared to a younger self.

You don't get compared to the other players. Aaron Rodgers. Right. When you look at Aaron Rodgers' numbers, they weren't that bad, but you're comparing Aaron to the young Aaron when he was throwing 45 touchdowns with four picks. He was 38 touchdowns with three picks.

He was this and that. That MVP, when you're great, it's hard for you to be anything other than great. And now all of a sudden people look at you like, damn, I'm a reg. It's hard. It's hard. It's just like when some people having a large sum of money and all of a sudden they don't have that no more,

Oh Joe, they don't know how to behave. Like I had all this money, I've had millions, hundreds of millions, billions. And now I just got you a billion and all of a sudden all you got is $200 million. Ooh! Bitch! $200 million! Man, you a $200 million? Like, sign me up! But not when you've had billions.

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