Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ja’Marr Chase OPOY, Eagles beefing, Darnold torches Falcons

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 14 of the NFL season including Cincinnati Bengals’ Ja’Marr Chase helping his Offensive Player of the Year chances after a stellar performance against the Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football, Philadelphia Eagles DE Brandon Graham confirms QB Jalen Hurts and WR AJ Brown are beefing, Minnesota Vikings Sam Darnold throws 5 TDs against Kirk Cousins and the Atlanta Falcons and much more! 03:00 - Ja’marr Chase is the real deal 13:30 - Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown are going through a relationship strain 19:48 - Rams versus Bills 26:10 - Vikings versus Falcons 37:35 - Eagles versus Panthers 45:20 - Saints versus Giants(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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wagering and eligibility restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. Jamar Chase, 14 catches, 177, two scores. chase is the first receiver to have 10 catches a buck 75 to touchdown and to get to in two games since Jamar chase did it in week 10 against the Ravens guess what he's also the first receiver to do it since Jamar chase did it week 5 against Ravens. Hey that boy that boy good good. He's gonna be a unanimous first team all-goal. And rightly so. Jetta looks like he's gonna be the other receiver that's gonna be a first team all-goal. He's not gonna be unanimous like Chase is.

But Chase has a chance to win the Triple Crown. A chance to win the Triple Crown? There's only four or five weeks left. He's going to win the Triple Crown. Nothing is gonna stop Jamar Chase. Nothing gonna stop Joe Burrow. They might as well get whatever award it is that Chase is supposed to get as far as when it comes to winning that triple crown, they might as well ship it on to

Cincinnati right now. They might as well ship it on over there right now. And that's not, that's not all. Not only is he going to win the triple crown, we do have the MVP at the quarterback position. Many people aren't going to give him credit because our record doesn't... You're not going to get no MVP. Let me finish. Don give him credit because our record doesn't reflect. You're not gonna get no MVP. Let me finish, do me a favor.

Don't interrupt me. Next time you wanna talk, raise your hand, I'm gonna call on you, okay? But anyway, like I was saying, Joe Burrow should be the unanimous MVP, but due to our record this season, he's not gonna be in the talk. He's not gonna be in consideration.

Josh Allen, kudos. Kudos to him. Kudos to Lamar Jackson as well. But if we happen to go on a run and for some reason slither into the playoffs in some kind of fashion by way of God, we are a team that nobody's going to want to see offensively. Now I can't speak for the defense, but I'm saying if we got to score 53, we're going to score 53. If we got to score 45, we're going to score 53. If we got to score 45, people will score 45.

But y'all go give up 55. But y'all go give up 55. Listen, that's need to hear nor there. We are a team that nobody wants to see. And y'all don't want to see nobody? No, I don't. Nobody want to see us, especially offensively. That's the focal point.

Ocho, but you got gotta bring your entire team. You can't leave your defense at home. I understand that, but I can only do my job. That's something Bill Belichick always said to do. Do your job. My job is to focus on offense. My job is to score 40 to 55 points and get... Are you a team or not? Are you a team?

What? Are you a team? Is it the Cincinnati Bengals or the Cincinnati Bengals or the Cincinnati offense the Cincinnati defense the Cincinnati special? I just need to know what it is a team. Can I say something finish? Okay. It is a team Oh, it's a team right, but that team is broken down in the three phases offense defense and special teams now each three of those phases has to do their job in order for you to get the W you Know W's the like James Winston. Y'all ain't nothing. Y'all hungry. We ate something.

Okay. This is the first time y'all ate three weeks. Hey, let me ask you a question. You know what? When the playoffs start, which one of the bingles are going to be in the playoff? The offense, the defense or the special team? The whole team, the team in general.

Y'all will be home, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. That's a chance. That's another chance. Hey, can you ask Ash to give her what percentage the chance is of us making it into the playoff still to this point? Uh, uh, 80 year old getting pregnant.

There's a chance. Right. But there's a percentage. Now the percentage ain't that low. There's a percentage of 80 year old can get pregnant. How old was Mary when she conceived Jesus? 83. 83.

There is a chance. They put man on the moon. Yeah. Yeah. Chance. I feel- You ain't gonna put no money down on it though. Boom.

Oh Joe. How much I owe you right now? Three banks. Okay, how about this? When we play play the bank when we play the Broncos I Ain't bet nothing you Let's bring down a notch and let's respect the winner. Let's respect the winner's circle tonight. That's me. Let's respect the winner's circle tonight. Now. You owe me $3,000. How you the winner? I'm giving you the opportunity to double your money.

So when we play the card games, let's double it nothing that $3,000 I owe you. I don't like doubling my money. I like to just take my money. I got something in mind. I want to buy something. What just so happened to cost three thousand. The gift I want to get cost exactly three thousand dollars. I said you hold on. I said sir, can you hold this for me? I'll be right back in like two weeks. So gotta I gotta go in there by this week Oh hold on tell me tell me tell me what you what you gonna get what you gonna get what is it? Just give me just give me the The Bengals have less than a 2% chance to make the playoff. 2%? Less than less than 2%

Yes, actually it's 1.9. 1. you know what that's not that bad. You know what? That's not that bad. I'm gonna just say 2% because I bet if you ask the chat right when they go to Whole Foods I bet some of them they get 2% milk. I bet sometime when you get a latte you go to Starbucks and they ask you what kind of milk you want. Sometimes people say you know I want 2% milk. There is a significance if you're an actor you know sometimes the agent, the agent fee. Sometimes the agent fee is 2% No, it ain't if there's 10 15 20 percent of Hollywood. You ain't getting no real. Okay. I'm just I'm just trying to throw that Context I didn't need you to correct me. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay

But they got a milk chance 2% Yes. Two percent. Yes. Sis, sis, I put it in terms that you understand you like milk, they got a milk chance, two percent. The question is for you, is Burrow and Chase the best quarterback wide receiver combo? Absolutely.

Now there are a few people that would like to argue as far as duos are concerned, but a duo that is doing what they've done at such an early stage, as soon as they started, they hit the ground running right away. Obviously, because of the continuity that they already had and the chemistry that they had already built in the NSU together, it made the transition into the NFL being on the same team that much easier. It made that much easier, which is one of the few reasons why the chemistry it looks the way it does Okay, when you when you watch Joe burrow and you watch your Marches work, that ain't nothing but Prince and Apollonia

Okay, that ain't nothing but Mark Anthony and JLo. Okay, you stand with me That ain't nothing but Prince Hakeem and the lady, the daughter from McDowell's. I don't remember the daughter name in the movie, but what was her name? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But you get where I'm going. You get where I'm going.

Yeah. It just, it just, it's just a match made in heaven. It's just a match made in heaven. Like when you meet somebody new, one of the key things, one of the key things and the only key things that matters is the chemistry and whether you're compatible. Okay? And when you're compatible, your Wi-Fi, the connection is perfect. And Joe Burrow and goddamn Jamar Chase Wi-Fi is on point. I don't have any other references or analogies I can think of to give people a better understanding on how great they are so early.

Chase got 93 catches on Joe. 1300 yards and 15 touchdowns. Last year, he's already clear. He's seven catches behind last year's pace. He clear. He's seven catches behind last year's pace He's already a hundred a hundred yards clear of yet last year's pace. He's already has eight touchdowns more the last year Whoo, and he has and he has Their five at their five and seven What's their record

Hold on They're five and eight. So they got four games to go. So there's an outside chance he could get to that 1700 mark Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And he might he might get to that 20 that magical number that 20 touchdown. Yeah Which only only a handful of guys have ever gotten there Jerry and Randy not not Jerry got 22 Randy got 23 Nobody else is I mean there been a few 18. Yeah And but nobody there's only two guys that's never gotten 20 receiving touchdowns in a season Yeah, and you know that young bull man is nice man Obviously even as early as it is man chases is the greatest banger receiver to ever play

Chase is the greatest banger receiver to ever play. Chase is the greatest banger receiver to ever dawn them goddamn stripes, you hear me? You know, some of the things that he's doing, they haven't been done before in that helmet, in that leica. Ain't nobody never done nothing like that, man. You know? Mike Brown, you gonna be sorry

you didn't sign that man early. What are you telling, you hear me? Huh? Yeah, you gonna have to pay double. It's gonna hurt. You gonna have to pay double. Matter of fact, you gonna have to pay. It's gonna hurt telling you hear me? You're gonna have to pay double. It's gonna hurt. You're gonna have to pay double. It's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt. It's gonna leave a mark on you.

Oh he's about to get 40 million. 40, make it 42. And the two. And the two. And the two is the two percent milk. The two percent add that on too. No. He said Jetta got 35, I want five more per year and I want an extra 20 more million guarantee.

Yeah, don't even play with me. Don't even play. Cause you tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. You tried to get that. Chase got, he said, uh, Jetta got, uh, 35. I want five more per year and I want an extra 20 more.

Give me your guarantee. Don't even play with me. Cause you tried me, you tried me at the beginning of the season. Well, I asked you, you made me sit out of training camp and you had plenty of time. You had ample ample time to understand what you had at your disposal. You know what you get in the long run. You know what you get. Cause I didn't, I didn't gave you a sample side of three years.

Okay. I know I might have two more years on my deal, but sometimes you just know. Now I got one more now. So come on with it. And if you, and if you, if you want to play again, do me a favor. Don't franchise tag me. Let me play one more and let me go show you. I can get 60 some more.

I'm not coming. There ain't nothing you can do. You told me, you told me you was gonna take care of me. After this one, I played out. Now you won't see my blank ass if you don't pay me my money this time around. Period. And we ain't finna play cause we finna clock it. And I ain't talking about no- And you know Higgins. Higgins about to bounce on you. So go out there and try to play with what without without me and Higgins Yeah, period all apparently is not well with the Eagles according to branding Brandon Graham The team's longest tenured member and all the relationship between Jalen hurts and AJ Brown strain The person that's complaining Brown needs to be accountable. I'm just being honest. He knows this

I don't know how the whole story, but I know that hurts is trying and Brown could be a little better with how he responds to things they're friends before, but things have changed. Graham later apologized, said I made a mistake. I didn't add, I didn't add to it in good light. So that's my bad. I think that, see, here's the thing. When you say, when they asked AJ Brown we need

what do you need to improve in the quarterback quarterback do you know when they can throw the ball at you so hot hot how is the media how's everybody gonna take that well that's not how he made it if somebody if they Carson, what can we do better? Route running and getting over it. He talking about me. Who are you talking about? Right, right.

Listen, we all know what he meant. But that's not how he meant it. We understand his frustration. We understand his gripes. All right, hey y'all, matter of fact, hey, Acho, Acho, you know Acho, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, Acho.

Listen, if anything in the chat, did a follow chat, I don't know if you've had an opportunity to see it and Sean, he showed a description of plays and description to play and these are bang bang plays that are just basic fundamentals of the game of football, having anticipatory skills as a quarterback at the quarterback position, being able to get your number one, your number one player to target based on what you see see what your pre read is as a quarterback and I listen it was five or six plays where one two three boom get the ball out and let it go you know it's like in that specific game that we talk

about where I could understand where the frustrations come from with AJ Brown I'm like well okay now I see it now I see it now I understand but you don't do it the way you did it. Not with the media. That's something you go to your quarterback. You go to your quarterback, you tell him, you put it back. That needs to do me a small favor. AJ Brown, if you see this, I need you to do me a small favor. Young Bull, when we come to the line of scrimmage and you see a certain cover and you see that receiver off, if you see him press at any point and you see that safety and the safety is in the middle of the field or he's not sure or he's shaded just a little bit to the ass and I know I can beat him over top I need you to give me a chance I need you to give me a chance please I need to

put him aside I had that conversation but don't do it this way because now all eyes on Jalen Hurts now all eyes eyes in the pressure, while you're winning, you're winning. Let me add that. Uh-huh. Your team is winning, and it's gonna come off, wait. Comes off as being selfish. It's gonna be a little bit, you know. Comes off as being selfish.

No, hell no, but he doesn't. And I don't think he's selfish. I think he's a competitor. He wants to contribute. I think he realizes that in order for us to get to where we need to be I'm gonna have to catch more than three four balls Devante is gonna have to catch more than three balls. But like you said, uh Maybe Jalen just didn't see the field yesterday Maybe that happens sometimes little choke. We don't see the ball. Well, we Bobble We Bobble some stuff and we don't catch it clean like we want to but it's Jayler has a tough job I'm not ready to use it, but I just believe I just believe in a situation like that

I'm a yeah, I'm gonna go to him and help. Yep. Uh-huh. Check this out. Oh Joe Donovan McNabb waiting on AJ Brown potential frustration with Jalen Hurts. It's two grown men. If you got an issue, you come to me. Let's not go through the media because now it blows up. And now what you said is out there in front of everybody. Then T.O. responded. Now, this is interesting coming from you. Now, not how I interpret it, but it's funny thing is I agree with you on the idea of it.

If you have an issue with someone that you go to them, not the media, but here's the thing I never had an issue with you, but it's known that you had an issue with me. So maybe. You should have taken your own advice here. Oh yeah. And we might've wanted to both 39, but that's another story for another day. Just my two cents number 317 you talk about the jacket like that a TOTO and a goddamn McNabb they gonna be like Claude and they gonna be like Claude and Ray they're gonna be

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combined for 12 touchdowns, 86 points, zero turnovers, and if I'm not mistaken, no sacks. Josh Allen is the second player in NFL history to record three passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns in the same game. He joins Hall of Famer Otto Graham of the Cleveland Browns, pulled off the feet when the Browns defeated, Uh, they won 56, 10 in the NFL, NFL championship game over the lions. Uh, the bills allow scores on six and nine possessions.

The rush defense allowed 94 yards rushing in the first half. Uh, and the team street lead team's lead leading 14 game street of at least one takeaway ended. Oh, Joe, are you concerned about the bills now? You know what? I'm really not concerned about the bills. I'm honestly, I'm not concerned about the bills. If they were going to have a game like, like this, let's get it out the way. Now, obviously the Rams offense has always been high power.

Cougar, Cougar Cup, Cougar and the Cougar are just coming back and just getting into rhythm as far as the offensive is concerned. So you got a glimpse of what they can do when they are fully healthy. So I'm not really concerned, you know, with McDermott and the Bills. I think they're going to be fine. If you look at the number Josh Allen put up today, no turnovers, right? No turnovers today, but he played very, very well for a quarterback that needs if quarterback that needs to win a game defensively, they gave up what? Six and nine, six and nine positions. Now that's, that's, that's, that's the backend.

That's not on Josh Allen. That's not on the bills. That can be fixed because the bill of defense is good outside of it. I think this is the game that got away from him. It is an upset. I consider it a goddamn trap game. I consider it a trap game. But if you're going to lose, let's get it out. Let's get it out of our system now. Let's get it out of our system now so we can fix whatever we need to fix before we get to the goddamn playoffs.

You know what I think about the thing that I think that look, Tom, when I think about Tom Brady, I think the thing that's most impressive about look, Tom, when I think about Tom Brady, I think the thing that's most impressive about him is not, yeah, you have the soup bowl, I don't wanna say the most, you have seven soup bowls impressive. All the records that he had are very impressive. But Tom understood early on in the game

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So you got to, you're gonna have to, he's gonna have to be mindful of that. And that's the thing when I'm talking about Joe. Joe is that he knows his defense is terrible. At least Josh like, man, this is an anomaly. My defense hadn't played this bad all year. We have played this bad all year. Joe knows his, from the,

man, we gonna suck this year. I got to be, I know for real talk to Ocho. Man look here Not only can I not turn it over Ocho guess what? I've got to score damn near every possession Because if we go down if we get the ball first and we don't score when I come back on the field We're gonna be down points The question is how many is it gonna be three or is it gonna be to be seven? But we're going to be down points, Ocho. And and Josh, I mean, look.

I mean, what? Yeah, four hundred and twenty something yards of total offense just by himself, Ocho. Crazy touchdowns, crazy, crazy work. And but yeah, you support you put up numbers like that you suppose in the game. You should, but you can't spot a team. Okay, you can't spot a team now. You gotta realize you're on the road.

You spot a team 14, you gonna catch him coming now. Oh, trying to come back. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Especially if your defense is struggling like they were struggling today. But Ocho said he's not concerned. Josh Allen?

Nah. I still think he's the MVP front runner, but Saquon is right there on his heels. Josh Allen was 22 or 37, 342, three touchdowns, zero interceptions, no sacks. He led him in Russian, 10 carries, 82 yards, another three touchdowns, zero interceptions, no sacks. He led him in Russia, 10 carries, 82 yards, another three touchdowns. Shakira was five for 106 in the tub.

Amari Cooper played extremely well. Six for 95, but he did have 14 targets, Ocho. Matthew Stafford was equally as impressive. 23 of 30, 320, two touchdowns, zero sacks, zero interceptions. Hookah Nakua, 12, buck 62, one touchdown. Cooper Cupp, five, 92, one touchdown. Two two, three for 45.

Two two. Two two. Two two. Matthew's finest, Dade County Liberty City legend, yeah. That's the game. Look, when I go to a game, that's the kind of game I wanna see, okay, I, two, two. Miami's finest, Dade County, Liberty City legend, yeah. That's the game. Look, when I go to a game, that's the kind of game I ever wanna see, okay, I ain't gonna lie. Everybody talk about defense, the big hits,

damn the big hits. I wanna see some points on the board. I go to a baseball game, I wanna see 12 to 11. I wanna see 10, nine. I ain't coming to see no two, one. I ain't coming to see one, nothing. I'm not a purist. I want scores, I want points.

NBA, I want you to see y'all get up and down I want to see a 135 to 130 131 133. I want points. I ain't trying to see no 85 90 85 to 92 ballgame All right. I ain't no purist like that. I want to see points because that's where it's headed That's what I've grown accustomed to So now don't pick the game that I come to now all of a sudden y'all gonna play defense and I gotta watch a 10 to 7 ball game or a 10 to 9 ball game. Nah, that ain't what I'm here for. The Vikings beat the Falcons. Oh! The who?

The Vikings. Well, Sam Donner earned himself a contract, boy. It might not be with the Vikings, but he earned a contract with somebody. But go ahead on the finish. The Vikings beat the Falcons. Nice talk. You about to be hyped now. The Vikings beat the Falcons 42-20 behind Sam Donner's first five touchdown game.

The win was the sixth in a row for Kevin O'Connell's club, who improved to 11-2. Kirk Cousins in his last four games. Zero touchdowns, eight INTs. Ocho? Sit him down. Sit his ass down. Ocho, is it time? Now, they're only one game back.

They're one game back at Tampa. Is it time for them to set Cousins down and play Phoenix Junior? Understanding the business, understanding the business and how the business works and based on what Kirk Cousins has done in his resume from the past, they're probably going to keep playing because they only one game back from Tampa. If it was me, if I was the coach, if my name was Mr.

was, was damn, was the head coach last name? Oh, oh, oh, you're talking about Atlanta Falcons? Yeah. Raheem? Yeah, man, listen, I was about to say D'Amico by accident. But anyway, if I was Raheem, listen, if we won game back and he playing like that,

I'ma switch to Penics anyway, even though Penics doesn't have the experience that God damn Kirk has, and Kirk has the God damn experience and he playing like that Well, hell I might will tape a goddamn loss if we gonna lose and lose this way. I'm losing my rookie. He gets to get his own experience. I'm losing my first pick, he's picking the goddamn draft. Man Kirk Cousin, what is you doing boy? Do you need LASIK or something? Well, he playing.

Maybe he need LASIK. He playing bad. I don't know what it is. He playing bad, Ocho. Ain't know what it is. He playing bad. Oh Joe. Ain't no way around it He played bad again. You can't throw four intercepts last right you can't throw four interceptions Then you go back you watch film you practice all week long and come back the next week and it's also motherf***** mo Something ain't right You trying to throw the game you You bet, you bet, you bet

somewhere? You um, something ain't right. Like come on now, what you doing? Yeah. Like you, you guys, you got, we have a playoff opportunity at hand. Yeah. You know, we think well enough to, I mean actually the NFC South is motherf***ing horrible. It is. Honestly. Think about it. It's horrible. That's why everybody has a chance. Raheem did say, Raheem Moore is the head coach. Raheem did say that Cousins is their starting quarterback after the game.

You know coaches lie all the time. Coaches and owners lie all the time. I mean who didn't Dave Kanellis just say that before he benched Brinkson? Did he's that? Didn't Dave Kanellis just say that like before he benched Bryce Young? Did he say that? You know, in the next day, with the next day what happened? Or maybe a few hours later,

Oh Sam, I mean not Sam, God damn it. He benched Bryce and put in Andy Dalton. He put in Andy Dalton. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't, listen, you take anything coaches and owners say with a grain of salt.

With a grain of salt. Now I wouldn't listen. You take anything coaches and owners say with a grain of salt, with a grain, with a grain of salt. Now I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning or maybe Tuesday in the off day, they make a change. And a statement comes out, Penning juniors now the starting quarterback for the ladder. I'd be very surprised they did that because considering only one game back, if they were, if they were, you know, a couple of games back, I see you make that because still Tampa has to play. Tampa has to go to play the Cowboys.

They got a tough schedule. It's not like they, you know. Oh, oh, oh, oh, time out, time out, time out. Did you hear what you just said? What you just said don't even go together. You said you just said Tampa still got to play the Cowboys. They got a tough schedule. They got some games on the schedule that, uh,

okay. How about you mention, uh, the minting the tough game. Don't mention the Cowboys. How about, how about that? Uh, and now I'm no disrespect to them. I'm just saying, but they got the charges. Yeah. The charges next week. That's a good game. The week after that Sunday night, they got the, uh, the, uh, the Cowboys on the 29th, they got the Panthers and on the 5th, they got the, uh, they got the Saints. Hey, you know, it's funny what the Saints are playing really bad right now.

You know, what's funny is the Panthers are making a game, making it a game no matter who they playing. Yeah. We we're gonna talk about that. Let's say that we go we don't talk about that cuz we got some uh we got some words for legit for leg it. I ain't gonna jump the gun. Oh you talking about Xavier. Leg it. Leg it. Uh Sam, Donald, and the Vikings haven't discussed the long-term deal. They're not. They just drafted a quarterback with a top 10 pick. What are we discussing? No. Yeah it's but it's a good thing though. It's a good thing for Sam because his resume, the other team that need a quarterback,

the other team that need a quarterback. So he's setting himself up beautifully. The only problem is depending on where you go, you ain't gonna have no goddamn Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison at your motherf and Hawkinson but the fact that oh man but don't get me started what the buyer buyer this is not to take away anything from he's played don't mess up his bag don't mess up his bag extremely well. He is. There's no denying that. But I hope you got similar weapons. I say you got to have those exact weapons, but you better have close to him.

Boy, I ain't too many like 18 and three out there. You too many out there like 18 and three. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be at. Well, I don't think I don't think I'm not. No, I'm not surprised that I'm not surprised. Minnesota is not thinking a long term deal. Now, if they didn't have a court, if they hadn't taken a quarterback

in the top 10, OK, yeah. Yeah. Well, when it whenever they took J.J. McCarthy. OK, I get that. but I got a quarterback. That's, that's a first round pick that I believe that the quarterback of the future, why am I going to give this man a long-term deal? A 40, I mean, $40 million, $40 million. Wait a minute. Good question. I got a question for you real quick. JJ McCarthy, what was his injury again? What is his foot?

Achilles or ACL? No, he was in his foot? It might've been, it might've been, it might've been a, I'm not sure what it was, Ocho. Don't start me lying. I want to say, it was a lower, it was a lower leg. Uh, so I don't know, I don't know if it was a, is an ACL. I don't know if it was a foot, legs, right?

I'm not sure. Because he's so young, do you think they need to have security with the way Sam Donald's playing? Do you think they can, they can rely on JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback of the future? I'm not having no $40 million insurance policy. Okay. Okay. I'm just curious.

I just want to know, Chad, what y'all think, Chad? Should Minnesota Vikings pay Sam Donald so they have a census security once JJ McCarthy comes back? Uh, he tours meniscus. Oh, okay. pay Sam Darnall so they have a census security once JJ McCarty come back. Uh, he towards meniscus. Oh, okay. Oh, that's not bad. That's not any young. And that's probably his first serious injury.

Um, um, that's not, that's not an ACL. That's not a PCL. That's not an Achilles. That's not a patellar tendon knock on wood. I mean, obviously any injury is all injuries are minor. That's not a PCL. That's not an Achilles. That's not a patellar tendon. Knock on wood. I mean, obviously any injury is, all injuries are minor when they're major as long as they're on somebody else. On you, they're major.

On somebody else, they're minor. But he didn't, like I said, he didn't have, you know, they aired on the side of caution. They like, we got Sam Donnell. We got a guy that's been in the league. We got a guy that we believe we can win with with the talent that we surrounded him with. You know, you got, uh, Jetta, you got Addison, you got Hawkinson, you got Aaron Jones. Hmm. If you don't turn the ball over, if you don't turn the ball over with the defense,

the Brian Flores got that defense flying around. We'll go, we'll, we'll be okay. But you just got to make sure. Well, see, that's the good thing. So see, that's the good thing. So it maybe is not a bad deal. You sign into a short-term deal. It don't have to be four or five years.

It could be two, it could be two or three years. Listen, and allow J.J. McCarthy to continue to develop behind him one more year, because he hadn't had a chance to develop yet. J.J. McCarthy was going to be the starter. Oh, Andrew, you don't want to throw him out there, huh? You have he come back, oh, injury. You don't wanna throw him out there, huh? After coming out for an injury though. They was gonna throw him out there out of college.

He was the starter. Yeah, but now you behind the eight ball times two because now not only do you not, you don't have a year on the year bill, you don't have a year on the year bill and you coming back with an injury on top of that. So it's even worse. Let me ask you a question.

How did that looking for the Falcons? They gave Kirk Kurz all that money and you got you a question. How did that looking for the Falcons? They gave Kirk Cursons all that money and you got Michael Pena close. So how that looking for them? Now you just said, now you just said they need to sit Cursons down, but he got 80 million, he got 80 million of their dollars over the first,

no, he got 112 million over the first three years. Okay, well he got 112 million over the first three years and he got eight picks in the last two games. You making my point for me now, you know that right? But Sam Donner ain't throwing no goddamn in the seven though. But I'm saying that before he got on the street, neither was Cousins. Remember how they... I'm just saying that's a very expensive insurance policy.

Consider when you took J.J. McCarthy, he was going to be your starter. You were very impressed with it. Do I believe Donald has played his way into a contract for some team? Yes. Absolutely. Yes. I just don't believe this Minnesota. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. I just don't believe this Minnesota. fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my

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founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Carolina had a 16-14 lead going into the fourth quarter. Even as the Eagles reclaimed the lead, Young led the Panthers on a final drive. Looked for a brief moment like he had won the game. Xavier Leggett appeared to catch the ball in the end zone on second down with 52 seconds left, but it turned out it was an incomplete pass as the Panthers fell short on third and fourth downs. Think about what that would have done

for a young quarterback, 98 yards. One of the top teams in the NFC. Ocho, we're on the road. Yeah. At some point, okay, look, Ocho and I gave you a pass because you dropped that one and you did this and you say you gotta be a better job. Now I'm tired of hearing my fault. I'm tired of hearing my bad.

We'll get them next time. Well, that was the next time. Why you diving for a ball? Oh Charlie, I do it because run. He diving for a ball. He doesn't need to dive for. Right. It's comfortability. Confidence is not where it should be, you know? I'm a little unsure myself. No, I'm unsure of my hands, so I want to try to get it into my body.

That's why you see guys jump. I'm like, bro, why you jump for a ball that's going to hit you in your chest and you catch it in your breadbasket? Because I'm unsure. Yeah. So I want to try to get as bigger target in front of it as I possibly can, Ocho. Possibly can. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, can you, Ocho, can you

imagine what this would have done not only for Bryce Young but for this team? They go 98 yards on the road? To win the game and upset and upset The best team in the NFC. Well, well that's an argument, but that's debatable but still the Eagles what's going on with the Eagles? Yeah, I Mean you're gonna have games like this You're going you're going to have games like that. You have you got two alphas What they're one of the few teams in NFL and I say this all the time They have two number ones on their team no matter what people may say two receivers two different seal sets They get it one they get it done two different kind of ways, but it's two number ones You got two alphas in the Monty Smith AJ Brown, but you're going to have games like this

They need to understand that you're gonna have games We don't have the numbers you want to get no matter what you do You're gonna have Jaylen Hersh you're gonna have games like this with the numbers are low We plan to get no matter what you do. You're going to have Jaylen Hersh, you're going to have games like this where the numbers are low, where you're playing against a team that you think you're supposed to be. The Carolina Panthers ain't no goddamn sluts no more. They're playing well against everybody they play to this point. If you're paying attention to them, Bryce Young is playing his ass off. That defense is playing his ass off, which is why the numbers were as

low as they were today. There's a reason why you're gonna have games like this, AJ, De'Vante Smith. You know, I know it's about being on the same page. You can be on the same page and no matter which way you flip, if the other team has your number, it ain't gonna work. It's nothing, it's nothing you can do.

You know what's gonna happen next week? You know what's gonna happen next week, huh? The motherfucking Eagles gonna go out there and they gonna have a field day in the passive game They're gonna have a field day in the passive game. It was say quam day today. Look, it's gonna be like this I've had games like this TJ and I've had games where we play on a team Oh, man, we finna go out and have 400 yards 20 yards of peace receiving and it's gonna be nothing like that But I understood game to game,

it always varies and it always changes. You get to a game, everybody say, Hey Jay, you know what, number 11, well, he ain't catching nothing today. We don't care what you do. We gonna let Saquon beat us. If you do it, it's okay, but 11, you ain't getting nothing. There's some team that will do that

and don't care, nothing about it. AJ saying, you keep saying saying it be games like this, but I see say corn got 900 yard game So why he had no games like this? AJ say I see three catches I see four catches like in the last six weeks I'll be I think three four five catches what I'm supposed to do with that. Can I tell you something? And I'll tell you something? Can I tell you something? AJ Brown and Devontae Smith, you understand you mother-

are so goddamn great. The reason Saquon Barkley is still getting the numbers he's getting, because he ain't seen no goddamn eight, nine man box, because you niggas is on the field. Excuse my language, I'm sorry. My bad, my bad, my bad. I'm just getting a little passionate.

That's how good you are. That's a testament to you. That's why he get the numbers you're getting because they still dub you anyway. That's why you only have 40 something yards a day. You know what? If we gonna lose a day, it ain't gonna be by number 11. It ain't gonna be by number six.

We gonna let 26 get his numbers. We gonna let him do what he do. Are you surprised that they just voiced their displeasure in the manner in which they did? Because you know when you say, we need to prove it passing, you know me on the same page, you know who that point's back at, right? Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

I don't think they at that moment, in that present time and moment understand it though. Emotional. Think about Jordan Addison. Free me. Speaking out vocally about wanting the ball. Look at this mother****** act. Jesus Christ.

Ever since he said something. Look at Jordan Addison. Going crazy. You know what? Let's find ways to put little young bull in position to make the plays So next week, what is the offensive coordinate gonna do? All right, you know, the young bulls are upset right now there in Philly Let's find creative ways move around and have special design plays when the 15 play script and in that game We got coming up. Let's find ways to get in the ball get in the ball early Let them feel and touch the ball early so we got them the whole game.

They're gonna be all right though. They're gonna be like, you've seen this before. I've seen it before. Hell, I've been there before. You know, so I understand it. I understand it, but right now you're winning, baby. You're winning. So they might say it's no room for it, but your Alphas need to touch the goddamn rock. You got to make them feel like they are part of the offense. You got to make them feel like they're contributing to the success in helping the team win. That's all. I think what, um, what is happening is, is that it's tough.

It's tough when I don't get the ball early. AJ didn't get a, didn't get a pack. You didn't get a ball thrown his way into the waning moments of the first half. That's too long. I don't care. I don't care if Saquon is going eight bananas. Come on, bro. You can't, you can't, you can't let me go.

You can't let me go 20 minutes, 25 minutes and don't give me a, don't give me a rock. Offers of coordinators have to be self according to this, have to be self aware. They have to be self aware. You know that, you know, do you understand the type of player you have? You understand the type of dog you have at that position. He's different. You understand and know how he's built.

You understand his DNA. You know how he is. Just let it touch it. It ain't got to be nothing crazy. It could be a slam. God damn it. Just throw me a smoke Don't smoke spring booms. You get out to me. Let me let me get jiggy with it. You don't be okay He good, but the wake 15 minutes and towards the end of the first first quarter and then he get a ball Yes, tough. Come on tough and you know the frustration starts to build

And you know look people look at the Carolina like man They're sorry and then before you know it you don't let it be in the game and now know, look, people look at the Carolina like, man, they sorry. And then before you know it, you don't let them be in the game and now they playing with confidence. And now you don't have confidence because you're not doing the things that you thought you were gonna be doing because you see them on film. But the Carolina team that y'all probably watch at the beginning of y'all watching tape on them,

that's a different team that you watched the last three to four weeks now. That's not the same team. The Saints beat the Giants on a block field goal. Giants fans have had enough of losing. Even before they saw the team drop an eight straight game, a plane flew over MetLife Stadium with the banner imploring ownership to get it together.

Mr. Mara, enough. Please fix this dumpster fire. Then the team went out there and found a different way to lose. This time getting the game time field goal blocked in the final seconds of a 14 to 11 loss. Maura declined when asked about the plane. Why you declined when asked about the plane? When they asked you about Kaepernick you offered a lot of info. Remember we ain't gonna go to the show these Giants are 211 and now mr Playoffs 11 of the past 13 seasons the Giants felt the oil seven at home this season. They're averaging

10.1 per game at home Neighbors said they asked neighbors about the about that. He's like hell. I ain't play for the plane neighbors about that. He's like, hey, I ain't play for the plane. Don't ask me. I ain't play for the plane. I did not play for the plane. He's funny. He's funny. You know what? They listen. Giant fans. Y'all might as well. Y'all might as well chalk this season up. Cause next year you're going to have a nice quarterback. You're going to have a nice shiny toy. You know, I don't know. I don't know who it's going to be. I don't know who it's going to be, but it's going to have a nice quarterback, you're going to have a nice shiny toy. You know, I don't know who it's going to be. I don't know who it's going to be, but it's going to be a nice new shiny toy. And-

I know a guy that had on their roster that's playing really well right now. What position you play on? Quarterback, Geno Smith. Oh yeah. You know, they ain't believe in the young bull. You know, sometimes know, they, they, they, they, they, they believe in the young bull. You know, sometimes it take, it take for you going to somewhere for someone to see your

true value. It takes some time. You get, it is greener passions on the other side. Uh, Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, Gino Smith. Gino wasn't going to be that in, in, in New York because they didn't have DK. They didn't have Jackson Smith and Jigba, they didn't have Lockett, they don't have Noah Fant, they don't have a guy that can run the ball like Walker, they don't have Carbino, Charbonneau, Carbino. So, and look, they got, their defense is better than you would think.

Now, are they the Legion of Boom? No, but the defense is playing really, really well. And quarterbacks, I mean, look, he got guys that can make plays all over the field for him. It's really that simple. And so I'm glad he's not in New York because they still say the guy can't play and sometimes you need to get somewhere

where you got some weapons. Now, he's not a guy, he's not Brady. There've been very few guys that can elevate players. No matter who the player is, he can elevate them. But Gino got to a place that they believed in it, and they got weapon, they got a DK, they got a Jackson Smith and Jigba, they got Lockett, they got skill position players,

don't you, that can go make plays. Same thing with Baker. He got in a situation at Tampa, and what we saw at Carolina, he had nothing. The couple was better. It was even better than what it is right now. But he got some plays that guys can make plays for him, and he's playing exceptionally well. Sam Darnall. He got guys that can make plays. I mean, should we be surprised that he didn't make it in Carolina and Baker didn't make it in Carolina? No

Right, because they didn't have anything there. There's a reason why they got the first pick of the draft There's a reason why they had to put whether they got the second pick in the draft They traded that to get the first pick and there's a reason why the following year they had the first pick they had to live That away because Chicago traded in the first pick the year before when it was second but no Can't happen to a night hey I wonder he said you know the fans we got to make sure the fans you know cuz you know the fans were not coming because of the anthem I wonder how many fans showing up now they stand up for

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