Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: James Franklin folds again, Joel Embiid sensitive, Jason Kelce smashes phone

Episode Date: November 3, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to #3 Penn State’s HC James Franklin being 1-10 all time vs Ohio State after another crushing loss to the #4 Buckeyes. Later, Unc goes in on Philadelphia 76ers Joel Embiid for being too sensitive after getting into an altercation with a reporter, Unc and Ocho react to Jason Kelce slamming a fans phone on the ground after they made a homophobic slur about Travis Kelce dating Taylor Swift and much more!03:13 - Show Starts04:10 - Intro05:49 - TAM v SC14:10 - OSU v Penn23:45 - Embiid pushes reporter51:00 - Jason Kelce incident(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They come out in all black. Now I don't know if they still play, but they used to play 2001, Space Odyssey. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah.

2000, the year we made contact. So the crowd would, oh man, the crowd would really get into a friend and So it was a great atmosphere. I'm sure I mean just watching it on television Having been there a lot of times obviously I was there when they played the University of Clemson And play some other big games, but man Okay, when I look at these teams, okay, I really impressed I mean, Georgia, you know Georgia went to Alabama and got beat they could have easily lost to maybe Kentucky They played down for three and a half quarters to Florida. I

Mean I look at Indiana Indiana's not an old hadn't trail Well, they trail today for the first time but then score 47 unanswered points to blow out Michigan State Are you overly impressed with anybody? I ain't overly impressed with none of them. Honestly, you know what this tells me? Basically, that the NIL deals has basically even the playing field for everybody goddamn team. If you look at South Carolina, right?

They lost to Alabama. Yes, lastly, they lost the LSU towards the end of the game. So you look at them playing against Texas A&M, the game today, them getting blown out by 24, it doesn't surprise me because some of the games you're losing is damn near at the end of the game. Well, one or two or three plays would have made the difference where you probably could have won in your record wouldn't reflect basically what it is now. So beating the number 10 team, to me, it really doesn't mean much because I think the playing field has even across the board outside of maybe Oregon, who was damn, they're somewhat,

somewhat dominated a little bit outside of that. Nobody, it ain't no Alabama just dominate the entirety of the season. Georgia, like the Georgia of last year or the year before where they dominant that quarterback, Ocho, Y'all like, man. This is back to back games. He's thrown three picks and they still won. So it shows you the level of talent that they actually have on that team.

They can overcome all of that. That they can overcome those types of mistakes. And I think the quarterback play on some of the teams that we're used to seeing that are really good, the quarterback play isn't good, huh? The quarterback play is not good. Outside of Shadura Sanders, Kam Ward, and maybe two others.

Right. I think they like that guy. A lot of people like the kid at Ole Miss, Jackson Dark. Oh yeah, he nice boy. He threw for five, 15, and six touchdowns today. Yeah, what's the receiver name had? Eight for two for the... Watkins.

He's rated real high too though, Joe. He's rated receiver name had a for two for the Watkins. He's right. He's right. It's real high to the old Joe. He's right. He might be the number one or number two receiver on people's on the people's board. So that's nice. A for two, we default on this video game numbers that it is in five TV. I mean, the most I've had in the game is I've had four TV's what that we call it, but I never had five.

But that's a lot. That that's a that's a lot. Excuse me. And average in what? 30 yards. He's averaging down to what? 30 yards a catch. Oh, Joe. Basically, he was out there playing seven on seven. You're right. That's seven on seven numbers.

Yeah. But when you look at the quarterbacks that they, I think that they had rated fairly high. You had Beck and you had some of these other guys. And when you look at it now, you hear them talking more about Chidor. Cam Ward. Excuse me, Kieran Ewers. Ewers was another guy that they had rated very high, Ojo. But now you hear it's Chidor.

Now you hear a Cam Ward. Now, yeah, it's guys like that and Jackson dart I think he was he was up there, but he's getting played now I think you look at his odds going into that game for the Heisman and then you look at what they are coming out of that game So clearly he moved the needle with that performance that he had today right now I still think Travis Hunter is the favorite for the simple fact Boise State Genties. I was just gonna say. Look, he's going, oh, chill, he's got yards.

He's getting 31 carries. I think he had a buck 47. I think he had like 30 carries last year, like last year, last week. I think he had like 150 something, but he's not doing that 250, the 208, you know, the things like that. And so I felt that in order for him to win the Heisman, he was probably gonna have to go for like somewhere between 23 and 2500 yards because we've seen guys

get 2000 yards. That's that's whole hump. Right. And he's got the quarterbacks and the quarterbacks with it. I mean, man, Cam Ward has what? Twenty nine touchdowns. But what Trav is doing and the level in which he's executing it, OK, he could be a guy that ends up having over a thousand yards. I don't know how many catches he have. And can you look that up? How many catches he has? But he's going to go over a thousand yards.

Here's a guy that might have three, four touchdowns, right? You know, seven, eight paths break up a couple of interceptions. It's going to be, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard to overlook that old Joe is just so hard because he's playing both at an extremely high level. And so when we look at it, Woody was, uh, Charles Wilson did it. Um, when we look at it, Woody was, uh, Charles Wilson did it. Um, champ did it miles, uh, miles Jack did it. But we thought of those guys as more offensive. I mean, a defensive player.

I'm not so sure that people don't think that that trial is more of an officer player because he's so dynamic. I mean, he's so dynamic. And those guys, oh Joe, they played, they had packages. They didn't play every step. He's playing every damn dynamic. Yeah. And those guys, Ocho, they played, they had packages. Yeah. They didn't play every snap. He's playing every day on snap. Yeah. You know, you know what scares me a little bit? You know, when it comes to Travis Hunter or even Chador being mentioned and taken seriously

about being able to win the Heisman, it's about all the people that aren't fond of Deon. All the people that aren't fond of prime and the success that he's having, I hope it doesn't affect those that are doing the voting when it comes to the Heisman race. I just, it just doesn't sit right with me. Shador hasn't been in the talks about the Heisman race for what, to me, what it seemed like for a very long time. Right. I agree.

I don't hear his name come up anymore. They talk about everybody else outside of should door. Obviously obviously Travis Hunter is doing what he's doing. And that's, that's a goddamn no brainer. But it's like that, you know, should do it. Name isn't being brought up in talks and it's not on charge. It's not on graphs. It's weird to me.

And I just hope that people's personal issue with prime and the Colorado Buffaloes doesn't affect the players that are playing well. Yeah, I agree. Um, but I think should do is having an unbelievable season. I mean, what is he, I think he has 21 touchdown six and exceptions. Uh, he's still completing what 70, you know, 70 plus percent of his passes, um, which is really, really good. Um, he just so happened to be playing on a team with a guy

that's playing both sides of the football. He's playing both of those at extremely high level. You know, it happens. It's kind of like, you know, you have two basketball players and they're both really good, but one is just having a crazy, crazy season. I mean, you know, so we've seen that happen before,

but the University of South Carolina take down the number 10 Texas A&M Aggies by the score of 44 to 20. And the game, I mean, look, Carolina opened up 14 with a 14-0 lead. Texas A&M scratched, you get their way back in. They ended up taking a lead like 20 to 17. Then Carolina kicks a long field goal at the half, go in 20-0. And then from that point on, I mean, go in, tie score, 20-20.

And from that moment on, South Carolina took off and didn't look back. Yeah. It was a good game. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Very good. I enjoyed it. Outside of until South Carolina ran away with a goddamn game.

It was good. The number four Ohio State Buckeyes go in to Happy Valley. Take down the number three Penn State Nittany Lions by the score of 20 to 13. The Nittany Lions have come up short against the Buckeyes for the eighth consecutive time, Ocho, after failing to score on four plays right on the goal line with roughly five minutes to go.

James Franklin is now one in 10 against Ohio State. He's also one in 14 against top five opponents. He's three in 18 against top 10 opponents. He's three, he's 13 and 27 against top 25 opponents since taking over in the happy valley in 2014. Following the loss, the nit, a nitany lion, a nitny lion fan had some words from Franklin as he walked off the field. Franklin started to fan who continued to help him and ask, what's your name? If you're going to be mad enough to talk, what's your name?

The fan then just walked away. Come on, you have to understand coach Franklin. You do this every year. You get the people in Happy Valley. You get the alum. You get them so excited because you start out undefeated. You start doing, I mean, beating people down. And then every time you face Ohio State, this is what happens.

So you could understand the frustration that the alumni down and then every time you face Ohio State, this is what happens. So you could understand the frustration that the alumni and the student body and the people in that area. They're frustrated. They're upset. I mean, they also have to understand. They also plan against Ohio State. You haven't beat Ohio State in a very long time. That's the problem.

I mean, that, that is the problem. Hey, listen again. time. That's the problem. I mean, that is the problem. Listen again, if Ohio state to me when I look at what they have offensively, the receivers, Jeremiah Smith and those young bulls they got, if the quarterback play was better, this game shouldn't even been 20 to 13. There's no way in hell this game should have been 20 to 13. The quarterback play in collegiate football right now is abysmal outside of maybe three players outside of three players. You put any, you put cam ward and that Ohio state office, what you think it

looks like you put goddamn Shadriss Sanders and that Ohio state office. What the hell you think it looked like? No, you don't want to put him in the you just need to do it to have that office alive Because he got skill play he got about that Now I don't know about the tight end but they got some receivers And it would be Ohio State one, but it wasn't impressive. Oh, no, no. And then, but see, I think the thing is, oh, Joe, what people are frustrated by is that we see this every year from Penn State.

Yeah. And it's like, well, bro, can you can you win one game that you're not because what's happening is that yet they wanted to win one game that he's not supposed to win and he keep losing games where he's favorite to win. It doesn't matter if it's an Ohio state. It doesn't matter if it's at Penn state. You keep losing to the same team. Why?

What is, what is it about that? What is it about that team that's so hard for you to overcome? Because there have been times that look, I don't know if he's ever had the most talent because it's hard for me to see a scenario where Penn State has more overall talent, office defense, special teams, then Penn State. Yeah. Ohio State's loaded every year they got it because they got a $20 million NIO budget So they're gonna be able to get for the most part now, you know, there's some some teams

You know a Georgia or Alabama some teams that can match it offer say six seven eight hundred thousand dollars Oh Joe certain teams can match them. Okay, you lose out of that player, but they're not a whole lot of teams Outside of right Alabama outside of a, outside of a handful of teams that have that kind of NIL budget that you're going to lose a four or five star or a transfer that you really want, you're going to get, you're going to normally get that guy. But, uh, and I think in Jay Franklin said, Hey, he knows expectations comes along with this job. You, you, you gotta have it because for the last Ohio state and Michigan has been running

away with the big team. Well over the last what? Cause Michigan went it back to back and then Ohio state had run it for like five, four or five years in a row. So Penn State, they got to do they got to do about it. He's got to find a way because at some point in time, they're going to be like, bro. Well, what we what we pay you the big bucks for, you got to win that game. You're paying the big bucks, but you don't do so much.

It's all based on the personnel you have on the field. If the other team has better personnel than you, there's really nothing you can do. There's only so much coaching you could do as much is all based on the personnel you have on the field. If the other team has better personnel than you, there's really nothing you could do. There's only so much coaching you could do as a head coach. There's only so much people when the players on the opposing side of the team are a tad bit better, they that much goddamn better. Just a little bit. But that's that's that's where coaching come in.

Think about how many times Georgia had more talent and Nick Saban beat beat Georgia in the SEC championship and the national championship. You see how what coached the big difference that coaches make. Hey, I have a question. Yes. At what point was Georgia talent better than Alabama? If not, if not equal. If it's all Georgia. Oh, oh, that year that Alabama beat them in the national championship game. You don't think they were equal across the board? No, no, no, no. I'll be in the SEC championship game. And then Alabama came back and beat them in the national championship game. Because remember, Metchie got hurt in the SEC championship

game. And then Jameson Williams went down in the national championship game. And so they were basically down to their fourth, third, fourth and fifth. As opposed to their first two receivers. Did you remember that defense that they had all of them? Number one, the top draft picks that they had. Yeah, they had five guys going to I think four or five guys. They go in the first round on the defense side of the tackles. Yeah, yes.

And you had Nicole B. Dean. You had a Sinead, you had Sinead. Yeah. Sinead, I think that's how you, C-I-N-E, I don't know if it's Sinead. But anyway, he went in the first round. So there have been times, I'm not so sure, maybe even at the NCC,

the national championship game, where Tua came off the bench. Right. Remember when Tua came off the bench, and he threw that ball to the ball to Devonte Smith and one thing sudden day. I but He's gonna have to find a way to win this game I mean you can't keep going to your Chancellor your president or whoever whoever they call it and like we were so close. Yeah Cuz uh that alum that alumni and those boosters, they gonna get restless.

Listen, if the boosters get restless, tell them to open up their pocket a little bit more. You open up that NIL fund a little bit more, then you get some of those players, you know, maybe they won't go to Georgia, maybe they won't go to Alabama, maybe they come to Penn State, maybe they come to Happy Valley.

You know, it's the difference. You want to compete, you gotta pay. Let me tell you what's gonna happen. They're go over that wallet a little bit more and get another coat That's what it goes with that. Well, listen get another coat doesn't fix the issue because it's gonna be the same goddamn result It can be the same result in order to compete now at the collegiate level. You got to pay you got to play to pay Hey, it's like it's like it's like it's like being in relationship Some people like to say some people like Hey, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like being in a relationship. Some people like to say, some people like to say it's about love. Nothing in life is free. Everything is transactional. It has to come at a price. Everything comes at a cost. If you're

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Listen to 10 takes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I can't say that I disagree with you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Joe, there was a lot of it events happening today. The first one, Joel and bead has been accused of shoving a reporter in the aftermath of a loss to the Memphis Grizzlies.

Right, right, right. Philadelphia and choir reporter Keith Pompey tweeted, oh boy, people will remember the sixth season for all the wrong reasons. The team just dropped a one and four and Joel Embiid assaulted a reporter in the locker room. Then Shams reported Embiid got into an altercation with a columnist following tonight's gaffe in Philadelphia.

Embiid took issue with a recent column that referenced his late brother and son. And Embiid shoved the columnist. No punch was thrown. This is the reporter Marcus Hayes wrote last week. Joel Embiid consistently points to the birth of his son Arthur as a major inflection point in his basketball career. He often says he wants to be a great and leave a legacy for the boy named after his little brother who tragically dies in an automobile accident when Embiid was the first year with the Sixers. Well, in order to be a

great at your job, you first have to show up for work. Embiid has been a great at just the opposite. Now in his 11th season, he has consistently been poor in poor condition. This poor condition apparently seems to have been delayed. His debut this season and B won't play in Wednesday's night opener or the next two games. So he's upset about what the columnist wrote. Yes, he's I think he said,ist wrote. Can I ask you a question? I think he said, whatever you do, don't keep my dead brother's name and my son's name out

of your mouth. Our reporters, our communists allow to talk about family and bring up things that have nothing to do with the game of basketball. How about just stick to basketball and stick it in talking about the player itself, nothing else and nothing else outside of the game of basketball. It should be off limits. No, he said, hold on.

He said he wanted to, hello. He wants to leave a legacy for the board. Hold on. All the reporter is trying to provide content. He says he wants to leave a legacy for his son who he named after his brother. Okay. That's all he's saying. His brother tragically died.

Joel and B's first year in Philly. Am I missing something? Okay, I see what you're saying. But is that even necessary? Oh, you got, I have a question. Is it necessary to provide content? Oh Joe, there's a reason why you have reporters because it's about stories. It's about, that's why you have people that comment on the game. They're not just saying X's and O's. It's a storyline. Right.

Sports is about story. Okay. I understand. He didn't say he didn't disparage his brother. He did disparage his son. He said, Joel said, I want to leave a legacy. Okay. The legacy is what, when people think of Joel and B, he named his son after his brother, I don't, I kind of see it. I kind of understand it depending on the individual depending on who you are Listen, you can get your point across without bringing up the legacy part

He joy I brought it up. Oh, I'm talking about during during the interview Joel's he's Joel and be consistently points to the birth of his son Arthur as a major inflection point in his basketball career He often says that he wants to, to be great, to leave a legacy for the boy he named after his little brother who tragically died in an automobile accident with him when Embiid was in his first year with the 60s. Now what you talk about is what he said past tense in general. There's no need to bring that up based on what's going on in the present about him not playing and not being healthy to play. So what's he supposed to report about?

Report about him not being in shape, not being able to play the goddamn. He did. He said, OK, he said the man says he wants to leave a legacy, but him not being being there. He said the reason why he all he did was provide contact. OK, the reason why Joe Ellen B named was provide contact. Okay. The reason why Joe L. and B named his son Arthur, he named his son after his little brother tragically died. So he's providing context for why joyous said it's so important for him to leave a legacy. And he wants to be remembered by something. And while he named and why he named his son after his brother. I don't think you don't think that's a little insensitive, though,

because it listen to you. If it's not insensitive, then there would be no reason for Joel to get mad. So obviously, but I got away about it. I took it. I don't take it as being in. OK, that's Joel. How he took it. But I think the thing is, is that him talking about. In order to be great at your job, you first have to show up for work. But I think the thing is, is that him talking about

in order to be great at your job, you first have to show up for work. Joel Embiid has just been the opposite. Now in his 11th season, he has consistently been in poor condition. The poor conditioning seems to have delayed his debut this season. And he won't play in Wednesday's opener, so there lies the crux. Okay, you say you want to be great at your job but first you got to

show up for work with Joe LMB has injuries. What? He missed his first year he's had back he's had knee he's had ankle he's had feet problems he's been had tummy issues. So what he wanted to do, you said tummy. Yes. You're funny, huh? So I just like I said, I like him, right. I can't tell somebody how they should react in that moment. Right. somebody how they should react in that moment. I think the thing is for me being in the media and having a little better understanding on

this side, because a lot of times, Ocho, we say things and we think it's innocent. And to us it is, but to the individual. But I think it had more to do with the criticism about Joe L and B constantly missing games. Right. Joe L and B constantly being out of shape. I think that rubbed Joe L and B the wrong way. He said it can't rub him the wrong way.

He's been playing 11 years and he's missed multiple games throughout the tenure of his entire career. Well, just think about how many years he would have played if he had to be, if he hadn't have been hurt. Right. He missed it half a season. He's missing entire seasons. Okay okay but see you see that's the whole point so it can't be the criticism no that's not the point no the point is for you to play not for you to miss games he can't help it i'm just saying he can't help it it's a big man he's a that's a big man you you said

is he bigger than shack we were talking about is he bigger than shack i don We were talking about. Is he bigger than Shaq? I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not like that, not like that. How tall does he be? Seven one, seven two? Yeah, they're about the same height. God damn. What, he about 300?

Oh, he ain't no bout. Man, you see how big he is from waist down? So, so he is about 300. Oh, he over 300. See, that's a whole lot of weight so we talk about injuries and him missing time. But no but see you applaud him for eating McDonald's. You applaud him for that. Yes. Oh my bad. Because yes you because when I said he's getting massages and he's getting work done getting treatment eating McDonald's but see you don't want to talk

about that the injuries and all he does is eat McDonald's. But see you don't want to talk about that the injuries and all he does is eat McDonald's and he has yet to really play a full season. But you eat McDonald's keep on you've done it this far so how about this how about change that diet? Are you thinking if he changes that he won't get hurt no no no I'm asking you that's your level of expertise. I don't know that's just that's just one play. Everybody else like 99. Oh, that's just one. That's not what you say. That's not what you say. When people when people change their diet and start eating.

That's not what you say. A different type of individual with a different type of body type. So it might not work for. Derek Henry. Hold on. Listen to me now. It might not work with somebody of that size. That is that is a large human being. You know, I think is that's the people six feet, I think that's for people six feet and under.

There's six, three and under. Now once you get- What about Derrick Henry? You gotta change the diet. Do you hear about Derrick Henry? No gluten, no fried food, no dairy, nothing processed. How'd that work enough for you, Mojo? For who?

Derrick Henry, King Henry. I don't know how it's working for him. It's working good, ain't it? I'm asking you. I guess. He says he doesn't eat processed food. He doesn't eat fried food. He doesn't eat anything with gluten.

He doesn't eat anything with dairy. I'm asking you. You know what? I don't believe him. How about that? What Derrick Henry from? Derrick, he's from Florida. He's from the crib Yeah, he from Jack like a Jacksonville area you dead ass

Yeah I mean, I think the thing is oh when you take that, think about it. Yeah. Derek Henry had almost 1400 caries in high school. Yeah. I saw. Talked on with another 600 in college. Right.

Talked on with another 2000 in the NFL. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if he eats fast food. Hey, listen, I know. Listen, he might not be fast food, but everything he ran off and might have said for media wise, for good context, but look what I'm eating and which is why I'm playing so well.

I ain't believe in that shit. I can tell you that. Yeah. But I think no, no, no, I totally can believe it because I was like that during the season. I didn't eat anything fast food. I stuck to the Tupperware and then I had a situation where maybe like for like two weeks, three weeks in the off season, I would eat whatever I want. Not every single day, but if there's a couple of days I wanted to go to the Houston, which was one of my favorite restaurants, I would go there and get the chicken back then. They used to have chicken tenders. They don't have them anymore. Or I get the burger. That's still my staple now. But for the most part, for me,

it was in my mind because I felt once I, once I altered my diet, I felt I played better. And so now I'm, I, my brain has convinced me that I played better on this. You know, that's called, that's called mind fucking yourself. You might know yourself and feeling like what you're consuming is improving your play when that really has the same way your mind you mindfuck yourself and say McDonald's don't mess up your. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, skillset that you've honed and perfected when you started at Savannah State until you got to the NFL when you was with Denver you worked on that craft and you perfected it to a point to where

you became all the famer what you put your body ain't changing none of that yes it will no it won't yes it will god damn it it won't i promise you we can all get on that. So you did, so you didn't improve, you didn't do anything different. You ran the same, you did the same drills in high school and college that you ran, that you got to the NFL. You changed absolutely nothing. No, but you have to understand it's.

No, no, no, hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute. So from high school, you changed absolutely nothing. You did the exact same thing in high school, college and the NFL. As far as as far as routine when it comes to training. Did you change anything from high school college to the NFL? Yes. Why? Because you had already you honed your craft over years and years. So why would you stay with me now? I'm talking about my training regimen. I'm not talking about what I consume. So why would you change? Hold on, stay with me, now. I'm talking about my training regimen.

I'm not talking about what I consume. So why would you change anything? That's my point. Okay, it worked for me. I see what you're saying, okay. I'm with you a little bit. I'm with you a little bit. I'm with you.

Talk to me now. Come on, now. So, but what I'm saying to Ojo is that if you know better, you do better. And I'm not because a lot of times a lot of people, you're right. People get. Like, OK. Try I'll do this, I've been doing that.

And when they try something else, look at Michael Jordan. When he he he changed when he got with Tim Groover. Kobe, that's why guys went to that way. And so now you see a lot of guys, they have their physio, what they didn't have in college, what they didn't have as high school players, because they say, you know what, I need to be better. So I know better. I can do better.

The way guys eat. I mean, some guys, they look, I'm not saying you have to be as, as strict as LeBron or somebody like that or Tom Brady Tom Tom is that his way And there's you way over there and there's some people that's kind of like in the middle, right? And some people that lean a little bit more towards Tom There's some people that lean a little bit more to you But my thing is oh Joe is that I was willing to try

and to see. Like you say, in your mind, you convinced yourself that McDonald's had no negative benefit. I had convinced myself that eating correctly in a healthy lifestyle gave me great benefit. It's still the mind that I've convinced myself, convinced this body that my play would be improved if I ate a certain way, you convinced your play would not be changed if you ate this.

Yeah. But you see, like you said, but it's the mind. I this is what I don't like. Most of the time you put out these these for context purposes, I'm playing as I am based on what I consume and eat. Then I had believing that, well, if I eat this way, then I'm going to be great as well when it has nothing to do with you, putting your body, it's all about skill. No, you still got to work.

Then you got to know what you're working on. You can't just be out there doing shit. You have to do it and think all of a sudden, well, I'm going to look like a god damn Derek Henry because this is what he eats. And this is what he does. That's not the way it works. No, no, because you're not going to be,'re not the, first of all, you're not gonna be able to work like that. You got a fact, you got a fact that that is,

you're not gonna be able to work like that. And plus your body type. See, Joe L.M.B. can't eat fast food. He's already 300. And you think he'd eat it for real though? Ocho, he's on the table, yes, that's what he eats. I know, I know. But you have to understand after the game.

So one time. But does he really do it like all the time? I think maybe he's one time. There's a re everybody. Everybody said this. If Joel and B took his nutrition seriously, the same thing. What did they say about Zion? He needs to take his nutrition serious because, like you said, nightly basis up

and down that court, a man 300 plus pounds Yeah, up down up down up down 82 nights or 82 games a year and sometimes those games are back-to-back you play on a Tuesday you play on a Wednesday That's a lot of pounding so and you know when you was after the game on the road Ain't nothing in the box is nutritious. It's sandwiches, it's fried chicken, it's honey buns, it's potato chips. Vegetables.

Yeah, yeah. Look, you and I have been in locker rooms and in a fair locker room for over a decade, both of us. We know what's on the training table. So now, think about a basketball player. They pick up after the game, they grab their workout, they pick up that box, they on to the next city, old chum. At least we going home, you get to the next city, you hungry, what you think?

You think they're ordering grilled chicken? You think they ordered the rice and veggies? Or they getting the pizza? Or they getting wings? Now, as you can see pizza, or they getting wings. Now, as you can see, we start to creep up because you got to remember, Ocho, in the off season, that's when you work your hardest. You putting in the two hours, three hours a day of training.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So for me, I mean, my weight, I was the same. I waited, you know, for the most part of my career, I was somewhere between 25 and 28. Oh, we about the same. Okay. Okay. And then, you know, coming into the season, I always had to wait. My report weight was 232.

My first weigh in was 228. I maintained 228 and 225 the whole year. I know it fell off during training camp. I'll never run it into it a I would yeah But see the thing was I would lose I Would weigh in I would weigh in at 32 Way out of practice is like 25. I've lost I lose an average of seven pounds of brand new it Yeah Now the book one practice I lost like 12 pounds and then I had to get five bags of IV fluid

to replenish me. Right. And that was the thing, cause you know, hey, we ran. Yeah. It wasn't no, you catch a pass and you finish five yards. You catch a pass in the West Coast, you going 40. Every time, I don't care if you catch a shallow cross,

I don't care if you catch a stick route, I don't care if you catch a stick route, I don't care if you catch a slant, cause Mike was way down there and you had to run past Mike. Make it a habit, make it a habit. Yeah man, hey Jerry started that bull dive. Well it wasn't bull dive, but Jerry was the one that started what they call finishing.

And so now that was the expectation of anybody in that West Coast office. Now I think some teams have kinda like backed off that a little bit, but Mike Shanahan damn sure didn't back off that because he had three years with Jerry. And when he came back, he brought that with him. And so that was the biggest thing, Ocho,

because I knew it was gonna get cold. And so my training, my eating had to be up to par because the last thing I wanted to do is to get nicked and not be able to train. But I hope, look, I think it's frustrating, Ocho. Nobody likes being talked about unless it's good. And right now, Joel, look, because think about it, Ocho, he was hurt into the playoffs, remember?

He played in Paris, and now, they're like, hold on. You Remember he played he played in Paris And now there's a hold on you was healthy enough to play in Paris I didn't play as many minutes now. He played he played how many minutes have you played for the Sixers? Yeah Now which one paid which one paid and he just signed an extension three years a hundred million on top of them So he's about to make 210 hundred and ten, about two hundred and fifty million over the next five years. And the fans like, hold on, bro. Yeah. What's what's really good?

You know what else can be frustrating is the fact that he's getting hurt. And I'm sure he wants to play. So he's frustrated with that. And then having to hear from the media and the in the in the pundits about him not he wants to play. So he's frustrated with that. And then having to hear from the media and the, and the, and the pundits about him not being able to play. Well, here you think I want to be goddamn hurt. You think I want all these issues that I've had with my body failing me? Absolutely.

Well, how about this here? There's a simple, there's a simple saying, do what you always done. You get what you always got. So what is he doing that continues to get him what he's always got Nocho? And you know, when I think of NBA players, I think of them having all the resources because they have the money to do so and do everything they can to prepare themselves to play, getting in shape, whether it's stretching, they have the best of everything. So I'm sure Embiid

takes those necessary steps to be able to be able to be ready to play, you know, preparing for training camp, whatnot. And he just hadn't been able to work for him, which is why he's missing the first game and probably the next two games after that. But, oh no, he doesn't miss more than the first game. The first, the start of the season was way, way back. I would, I would feel my daughter with the start of the season game. That was like a, what, two weeks ago, the NBA season, two weeks old. I ain't. Yo, it's two weeks old.

But I think that's the thing. Oh, yeah. If I can't fault you, oh, right. If you don't know better and you don't do better is when you know better and choose not to do better. He knows. Like you said, he has the resources. I just, and look, it's frustrating. Look, you've never been injured.

I've been injured. I've had injuries in my ankle and I thought, but the ankle was gonna force me into early retirement. Because at some point in time, the doctor said, well Shannon, we just can't keep shooting your ankles up so you can play. You're gonna have to, at some point in time the doctor said we're Shannon We just can't keep shooting your ankles up so you can play house you gonna have to be at some point in time You're gonna have to get this angle healthy You know you go prop. Yeah Because they're gonna be there a long-term to fit

Man I got what they would I tell you what the long-term effect deals My grandmother been poor and going to the outhouse and going out to the woods for 40, 50 years. That's the long-term effect. And to have my family living like they live, that's the long-term, that's the trauma that I grew up with. So I worry about amputation at a later date and time. In the meantime, will you stop talking me to death and shoot my ankle up so I can go out there and drop the bombs on the charges, the cheese, the raiders or whoever the hell we damn

Man, I ain't trying to hear all But look I look and Joe and I get it bro, I get it that you're frustrated Because there's no question on Joe When he that is bad. Yeah, you're not finding two, three players better than Joe L. And because he can give you 50 and give you 20 rebounds and block your five shots and have your three steals on the other end. He plays both ends of the court. I get that.

And it's frustrating because for the most part he's never had an entire season Where he's been like I'm healthy I'm healthy. He hasn't had that I got a question. Yes. Hi, Yoke. It's been able to do it He has a totally different body he's not as tall Oh, he has a totally different body. He's not as tall. He's not as tall, but he's not as heavy. And he look he look like lethargic and he just look like he does.

He just look like he's just there. He he does. If you look at the type of game that he plays, he doesn't play an explosive game. Joe Allen B got quick to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has quick to it. Spirals for a man that size. Same thing with Zion. Zion has quick twitch. That's why he can leave the floor so quick. But that's also just imagine you taking an 18 wheeler, getting it up to 50

miles an hour and just slam it on the brakes and then get it up to 50 miles an hour and slam it on the brakes. Now you take that with a sedan or an SUV. You see the difference? That's the difference between Joel and B, Zion Williamson's body and some of these other guys. That's why Kareem was able to play so long. You see the way Kareem built? Kareem, seven, two. But look at Kareem, he probably only like 20,

maybe 10 pounds heavier than what he was when he played. But Kareem was yoga. He watched what he ate. But I just think that's the thing. That's what you have to do, especially if you one of those ginormous seven foot three hundred plus. Oh, Joe, if you seven foot three hundred pounds at twenty twenty one. But you think you're going to be at 30.

Yeah, you're going to be a 40 if you don't watch it You don't watch you eat Cuz you definitely can't eat the same if you're not doing the same activities. That's why we see so man. I see some DB Wrong were you a D live a whole line? No way you play DB looking like this You see about your boy. You see some of the guys that weigh 180, 190, and now they're 245, 260. Right. Because you kept the same eating habits with not the same training schedule. Right.

When you lead the game, you either got to work out harder or eat less or both. Those are your only options. Right. But I hope, hopefully, I mean, because earlier it was reported that he punched a reporter either way. There's probably going to be some disciplinary action. Right. Adam Silver is probably going to come down because he doesn't want this

because that's what punishment is about. Right. Punishment is not only for the the offender, it's also to deter others from doing such acts. I have a question though. Is there any type of discipline for the reporter based on what he wrote? Or are you sticking with no understanding

on what he said for content purposes? No. No. I don't believe there's gonna be any, like I said, how he handled it. I probably wouldn't handle it like that, but I'm not in that situation. Exactly. Do I believe, do I believe there will be discipline for the reporter?

I do not. Okay. I do not. Okay. Also, we had another incident though. Joe video has emerged this morning showing Jason Kelsey walking to Penn State Beaver Stadium and getting approached by a college student, shouting his name and asking for a fist bump.

Excuse me. One person can be heard heckling Kelsey using the derogatory language about his brother Travis and girlfriend Taylor Swift. Hey Kelsey, how does it feel that your brother is a, you know, the gay slur for dating Taylor Swift? The person yelled. Jason was not having any of it. As he turned stop, turn around, grab the person's phone

and slam it to the ground. As Jason goes to pick the phone up, the guy shoves it. So he got the phone. And Jason hands the phone back to him and says, who's the F now? Yeah. Retired to the person. Right back, Jason.

Don't do that. Don't put your phone in people's faces. Give people space. Show respect. It's okay if the guy don't want to fist bump you guys. It's okay. It's not the end of the world. That's all the video.

He all he had to get the phone all out, all in all in the man's space. Man, y'all need. Yeah. Come on. Come on. See, I used to think, say we're better than this, but we're not. No, no. Because after a certain point in time, this is who we are. Right. Right. This is who this is, what we've become as a society. Because because what the Internet is the Internet has done is made so many people famous

And so many people want the 10 15 minutes of failure that they're willing to cross lines In order to achieve yeah But sometimes you can make the wrong play on the wrong day. Yeah, you can know who would leave people alone I look I did what I get it. Oh Joe sometimes we do our jobs We have to talk about right? And we have to talk about the football and like we talked about the Tom Brady situation and his wife They moved on they go in their separate ways and x y and z But I'm just trying to figure out

Travis Kelsey dating Taylor Swift that impacts this gentleman's life. And why would you call that man out of his, say his brother out of his name? So how do you think the man was gonna respond? Why? I mean, why would you do that? You went there with the person to try to get a reaction out of Kelsey.

Out of Jason. Mm-hmm. Why though? Why? I mean, you gotta think, these are college kids though. So you already know how they are. They're not thinking straight.

They're not saying the first thing come to mind. You know, so the college kids are they going to be adults at some point? Yeah, but come on. Think about what you did in college. Now, you know, you was wild. Now, you know. Yeah, but I call nobody that. But, oh, Joe, because like I said, I'm I'm I'm big on respect. Yeah. I ain't going to nobody face being disrespectful. And if I don't like somebody, I'm I'm I'm big on respect. Yeah, I ain't going to nobody face being disrespectful. And if I don't like somebody, I'm not talking to you.

You have to understand the world we're in today. You have to understand these kids in the area. You just said it yourself. Yes, in media going viral, Internet, how can I make a name for myself? I mean, just just all that stuff tied in today. Hey, those kids don't know how to act. And you know, this is the era of cell phones

and recording every goddamn. They do. Everything. It is. We've gotten to the point. Everything. We put everything on the internet. We put what we're eating, what we're wearing, and X, Y, and Z.

It's just got to the point, man. It's just. Hey, what you do? You gotta tweet everything, you know? I just don't know. I just wish Jason would have had to yell those words back to him. Just just kept it moving. Just grabbed him.

He did what he did, but just keep it moving. Don't don't don't lower yourself to that level. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just I just hated that some people go out go out of their way trying to get a celebrity or an entertainer or somebody famous to get a reaction out of them. I hate that. That's where we are right now. Oh, I'm sick.

If it's somebody that I don't like, I don't follow them. They something come up on my feed. I scroll right past it. I don't like, I don't follow them. If they something come up on my feed, I scroll right past it. I don't listen to their music. I don't watch their films. Okay, we don't jive, we don't get along. I don't kind of like what you stand for. Okay, ain't no harm, no foul.

And I'm definitely not gonna seek that person out to try to start a confrontation or try to get out there somehow. You just aboard the situation, but I just don't get mad people now. Damn. And I got, I said before we started, this is who we are now. Cause you know, you remember say, are we really that bad? Are we really like this? At some point in time, you got to come to conclusions. This is who we are. This is, this is what we become as a society.

Hey, I remember you. Hey, remember you got mad with dude in the airport when you had a beer? Yeah, with the dog, yes, yes, yes. He wanted his, cause I still don't know how, you know, like I said. That was funny. He must've been expecting somebody else was there

cause nobody knew I was there that day because normally I get a service to take me. I drove myself. Right. So. Nobody comes up sometimes, a I'm picking up Shannon Sharp or somebody or a restaurant, oh, reservations, Shannon Sharp, Ocho Cinco made reservation in the proper Rossia show.

Sometimes they have, you know, assistance or that alert the proper rising so they can get pitched off. So I was very cautious that day to make sure that I drove myself and normally when I go to the airport or even anything in that I have someone to have someone to drive for me, but I was cautious that day. And I noticed him earlier, but I say, well, you know what?

Nah, nah, nah. And the thing was, is that, like I said, well, you know what? Nah, nah, nah. And the thing was, is that, like I said, the lady had come, cause she had to pick the dog up from one country. She had to fly from one country, go to another country to get the dog, bring the dog back to me. She was only going to be in the airport for like 10 hours

because the next flight was going to leave. So my thing is I'm giving this lady a lot of money. I need to make sure she gets back through security. So I was like, ma'am, do you mind if we do the transaction over there? And she's like, sure, no problem. Because at first I didn't see her because she had she had Teddy in a carrier. So I'm looking up and I call Shelly and Shelly.

I don't see this lady. Shelly get looking up and I call Shelly. I say, Shelly, I don't see this lady. Shelly get on the phone, call the lady. She say, well, she's standing in XYZone. She got on this. She got on this. I turn around. I see her, I got her. And I'm like, but he loved, he wanted reaction.

I mean, I gave him, I mean, I guess he wanted me to shove him or something. I gave him what he looked for. He got his little, you know, um, he got his moment of fame, but I mean, to call somebody brother named derogatory, what, what, what did come on, bro? Come on, you in college, you got to start legs dropping these fools, man. Well, that's what happened. I mean, people, people get really disrespectful, um, because they ain't never been slapped before.

So, you know, you You gotta make an example. Yeah, man, I just, why you think I stay in the house, Ocho? People like me, no, cause I just, I just, I just wanna be left, hey, you know, hey, I get from point A to point B, I walk. That's it? Oh yeah, cause Jordan, you know, Jordan, he worked for the whatever airline we flying on because he got to get everybody they buy me and asked them got to play.

What F is Jordan. I don't worry about it. You can wait I'm gone. You gotta go. He getting everybody back you need your bag now. There you go. Sorry you need your bag, which is yours? Jordan? You do not work for this airline. Being a good Samaritan, huh? Being a good Samaritan. Dude here. So now you don't read Jordan out loud? Yeah. We get two bowls of transportation. Oh, so you leaving. He can stay there and do all that.

I'm not. Yeah, he do all that. He got I'm going right. As I'm going, that's funny. You don't have to be out here taking a sell one of the pictures and 50 autographs because why you pay us about baggage? I said today at least tip you right. You should have some extra money. But I feel like, you know, I mean,

you're at a different spot now. You never kind of had this kind of attention. I understand, you know, hey, he was an outstanding center for the Eagles, but TV, TV fame is different than sports fame. It's a whole different ballgame. Yeah. Especially now I'm not obviously a LeBron and a Tom Brady, something like that. But for an offensive lineman Yeah to get this kind of level of thing Cuz the only time his thing got mentioned when he held

That was he had to do something bad for them to talk about Jason Kelsey now He's on ESPN. He has a great pod with his brother. Yeah. He's a good commercials. So yeah, like I said, the only thing I just hate, I just hate that he uttered the word back. What the gentleman say. Yeah, that's, that's it. If he did, you know, gave him a quick, you know, quick elbow to the throat, that'd be fine. That'd be like free, free Jason Kelsey. That'd be fine.

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