Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid AT ODDS?! + MVP Year LOADING for Ant Man?!

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid having no contact and Chris Finch says this is an MVP year for Anthony Edwards Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction04:43 - T-Mac says Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid havent spoken since the trade34:20 - Chris Finch on Anthony Edwards (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tracy McGrady said Jalen Brown and Joelle Embed, haven't spoken since the trade. Joe, let's take a listen to what T-Mac had to see. J.B. was on a stream the other day, and he reached out to Max. He talked to Maxie and he talked to VJ, but I don't think he hasn't spoken to MB yet. And, you know, they had their thing in past years,

you know, personal, you know, thing going on. Now they're teammates, and I don't think there's been a conversation between the two, at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign. Because when you go into a new team and you go into a team that this is the MVP, like you've been the MVP for this team.

Now I'm coming to join your team and we haven't had a conversation. I don't like it. Yeah. I don't like that. You know what I mean? Because we all trying to, we're getting off to a fresh start. Joel, you're getting off to a fresher start, right? And now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you have to make things easier for you.

or make things easier for you, and there hasn't been any communication as far as my knowledge. Joe, this is your level of, go ahead, Joe. Hey, Joe, I know you probably, I'm from a football since, you know, when new players are coming in, especially on new receivers, there are veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off-season.

I don't put too much into it as far as the communication goes. Obviously, most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with families. I wouldn't put too much into it, Joe. And maybe you guys may feel different about it, even though a conversation needs to be had, listen, welcome to the team, maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person, you know, you guys see each other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially why everyone's out doing

their own thing is, eh, it's, it's, if I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But, Joe, you might feel different. I kind of agree with you, Ocho. I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riff-wrath between each other, that's water under the bridge now, fellas. Maybe I have said some things and I still believe them to be true. But, hell, we're on the same team now.

Is it water under the bridge? Yeah, I mean, man. I mean, Tyler Hero thought it was water under the bridge, too. He said that months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what was. Hey, all the good one. And how's the going? How's the good one?

Hey, but what I'm saying, listen, we're on the same team now. I may have said something about you flopping cool. You still do. I still think you're a hell of a player. But now that I'm here, listen, man, let's come together, man. I ain't tripping.

Maybe they have talks since that interview. But I'm like, Ocho, I don't really put a whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like M.B. knows what J.B. stands for. You know what type of shape he's going to be in. You know the mindset he's going to come with. you're going to have to match their energy, partner,

if y'all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference. What is standard protocol? I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bona fide, a finals MVP, an Eastern Conference MVP, an all-NBA selection, a multiple, multiple, multiple-time All-Star. What is standard protocol of a guy that caliber going to a team and the best player from said team,

or one of the best players from said team? What is normal protocol? Is it normal, standard? Standard operating procedure, SOP, what is standard, Joe? Yeah, no, no, no. I ain't going to say he and act like it ain't normal. Now, normally if you get a guy that caliber, now, if you get a guy that caliber, the first thing, you know, you hit him, hey, bro, welcome to the squad.

Boom, we're about to make some shake. You feel me? We got to be on the same page. We're going to get together here soon. I know you're going through blah, this, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already, huh? Yeah.

Maybe, let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went to, when you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you? Yes or no? No, I saw him once I got to the stadium because he didn't have my number. Okay. Yeah.

Well, hell, he could have got that. He could, I mean, Belichick had it, so he could have got that. And me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there. Right. So me and Bill, me and Bill was really close.

And another thing, what if Embed is still upset and then B swing on Jalen Brown when you get there? Hey, chill, bro. Chill. Hey, hey, hey, hey, this ain't what Houston came to. You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap.

See, one thing about it, a lack of communication can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. You know me? And that's what I'm going to go. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, you ain't just in the throw that like that. Let me write that down, what? I'll go ahead. Take your time. Take it time.

I'm running back for the people who ain't here. I'm going to run it back. I'm going to run it back. I got you that in my next argument. I'm going to run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That's all it was. But, hey, hey,

Bam just had to get some straightening. Just get a little straightening. Yeah. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, chat, y'all see I Joe Circle back on that? We had nothing left. Bam and Tyler Hero long ago. Now, I could look, look, look, I kind of,

I kind of feel Bam in a sense. You know what I mean? It's like, Ocho been doing all that talking about me. And think when he sees me, it's going to be kick, key, key, hi, ha, ha, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Bam's a tall of hero, guitar hero.

Hey, Hogan's hero. Pop, five. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. Take that with you. And listen, Talit, Talihiro, man, that's my dog, man. That's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding.

He said some things that he probably thought we're going to get out publicly. Of course. He screenshot. It was from the DM. Somebody tweeted. He did that in the DM. Somebody screenshot it and sent it out. I'm sure.

I'm not sure if he tried to apologize. No, Tyler Hero. the way I do, I'm sure he tried to apologize and probably BAM really wasn't going for it. And one thing led to another. I hope cooler heads have prevailed now and they probably talked it, talked it out. And I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized and Bann probably did the same thing. Listen, you move forward. You move forward and we play ball.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, that would be something that would be better ask of John, because I know that when they brought players to the team, I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it. anybody. Ain't nobody. Look, I've always had two phones. And you ain't getting the main line. That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very select, select group of people.

That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would have, I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you could hear I've already talked, you know, when Joe or you hear Patrick Mahon, they already say, I've already talked to Patrick or I've already talk to Joe, I've already talked to Trave, I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure because that's not something that I've been in. When we bring in players, you bring you, hey, I'll see you when I get the, uh, a mini camp or training camp or something at that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys, because I've never, I, me personally, uh, I've never, uh, bringing in. I mean, I really,

you never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand I'm a position friend. We're friends because of the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. The days of you got somebody, Ocho, that you grew up with in high school, Joe, you grew up with high school in college. We're what we call positional friends now. We're friends because of the position

that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates now, Joe. We're teammates now, Ocho. Yeah. Let's not lose sight of that, okay? So, hey, that's my dog. Hey, what a dog, hey. I'm glad you said that too.

I'm glad you're teammates, Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No. You're not there for a relationship. You're there to win a championship or to do everything you can to win a championship and everyone has to pull their own weight. That's all it is.

Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we're, happen to be on the same team, all for it. That's fine and dandy. And to answer your question, now that I think about it, remember I got traded to the Patriots real late.

Real late right before the season started. So Tom didn't have time to call me because when they got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, Tom won't call you know that way. You fall in line. You get these damn orders.

I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about it. Yeah, he was, he was a hit, but he weren't calling. You know that way. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. When you get to New York, you're going to fall in line too because I'm going to get you. Damn. Hey, man, look, you're bad.

Joe, I mean, Joe might have a change of heart and bring his girl. Don't beat him up in front of him. Come on. Come on. Come on. You got, you got cheer. You got, you got to chill. You got to chill.

You might be on to something. Because in order for him to go to him to go to him. Houston, I think he had to bring her here. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere. You want to do nice things for your girls. So you let you go. Hey, hey, hey. Oh, Joe, you see the list?

You see what I can we got? We got an official. Okay. Okay. Hey, chat, chat. Yeah, see, we can't even have a civil show. Hey, matter of fact, we might, we might want to get that laminated so it can't get okay.

Okay, no problem. No problem. Let's get that. Lemonated. We always try to be, we try to do things official. We don't ever, won't think anything. is shade tree or it's rigged. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, hey, this is an official document. I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jalen Brown to my permission slip. That's why I'm trying to see. Hey, it all coincides. Well, listen. Listen, listen. Listen, listen.

Back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes. I think what's understood really don't have to be explained, honestly, fellas. Meaning in B, I think he know everything revolves around him. Obviously, they still. No, I don't know. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe. Yeah, I'm saying when I say revolve around him,

I'm meaning playing the right way because he can't be. Okay, okay, yes, okay, I see what you say. He can't be no ball stop. But when I say falling in line, meaning like, man, look, he's going to get 20 points because he's that damn good. You know what I mean? But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ball stopper to where it gets all these,

everybody else? you know out of sync you know we want we want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going we don't want to pull the reins back we want to continue to let them attack offensively held J.B M and Maxley both average 29 a game this past yes yeah I don't think they're trying to build on that now listen I I understand that they all gonna have to sacrifice a little bit I just don't want to see that wow health-skelter-skelter-ass basketball no rhyme of reason your turn my turn type I don't want to see that man I want to see that man I want to see

These guys being seen, and Joelle play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around. And that's what I want to see. But I also think, Joe, you know what happened a lot of times? They overpassed the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing. And everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are. And they're not, they're like, I'm going to show everybody. Bro, take the shot.

We're not saying, we're not saying take the obvious. We're not saying do the, you know, do the obvious right thing. But I think sometimes they overpassed the ball. because they're trying to show you go out of their way to show that we're just we're so unselfish i ain't got no problem with him i ain't got no problem and you're not playing really good basketball i still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball and guys know when to do the right thing and when when when it's not the right thing that's just me personally but i really wanted to see what you thought about this because this is your level and like i said normally it's probably

the quarterbacks that normally reach out because for the most part that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO now it had been very interesting interesting. Probably I mean, if you went to when Sequan was with the Giants and they, you know, they had some quarterbacks there. Maybe they reached out to day, but maybe it was Sequan or maybe it was Jetta or, you know what I'm saying? Maybe it was something like that. But I know, you know, when guys to go to Kansas City, they would always say Patrick, they talked to Patrick or they talked to Tram. And so I was always interested to see because I was, even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I would, you know, I was busy.

I was working out hey and even like Joe did you did you uh did you take guys when you when you were in college and they brought guys in did you take them around campus did you show them on the official visit nah I wouldn't they got on why I was I was I was I was I was too quiet when I was not it wasn't that I was too quiet man I'd be too locked in and I I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to like showing guys a good time and all that that man I ain't the dude for that you You hear me? Yeah.

That ain't me, cause, boy, on my visit, I know they cut up. Damn, Joe, you didn't participate? No, man, I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't partaking in that, Uncle. Hey, look, let me tell y'all something, man. Before I went to college, I had a real plan. I can't be here no longer than two years, bro. No longer than two years, I got to get my ass out of here. Yeah.

Hey, it wasn't no NIL back then. Ong, if I got a few million, you know, I could have brought mom to college with me. She could have been cooking it out with me because. Yeah, yeah. right close by. It was just going to be a little pissed out. Hell, it's a little pissed out, but we're going to go on,

you know, get back on the road. Keep on a whole movie. Yeah. Oh, Joe, did you show people around with you? Where? At Oregon State. Well, you hell, you just got there. Hell, you went up there.

Hey, Joe, I was in school for two weeks. Hey, it's that. I went to one class. I went to my finance, two class. I went to my finance class, Joe. And you know, I love theater and drama. Hey, hey, I ain't going to nothing else. You did, you did, just enough to get by, huh?

I did just enough that I know I'm going to use later on in life. You know, I'm dramatic. I love theater, plays, you know, stuff like that, and finance. You know I ain't when to come to my finances, but I don't play it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's how I was. I mean, look, I did it. Well, like I said, I showed Ben Colts around one time,

and I told him he shouldn't come there because they moved me to tight-hand, and he's going to be on the bench. You told, oh, it was a guy in the same position as you. Yeah, Ben Colts that played with New England, that went to the pro ball and me and he scored a proble? Yeah. Hold on. He was from South Carolina.

He ended up going to Livingston, but he came to visit Savannah State. I was, I was his host. So I, hey, went out, that was the only thing. That was the first and the last time. So I was like, man, I didn't know what position you play. I was a wide receiver. Yeah.

So, you know, and coached you like a lot of times, the top offensive players that were coming in, skill position players, coach would have me, and I would only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough for coach that, okay, coach,

I'd do it. I said, my man, what position you play? He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said,

oh, okay. I say, what, I mean, what you're trying to do? You're like, man,

you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I said, don't come here. He said, why? I said, because they're moving me to tight end

and you can't beat me out. I was just honest. And guess what, Joe? The next year, I was an All-American. Conference player the year, offensive player the year, all-conference, and Black College All-American.

So what do you think the chance was he's going to beat me out? Hey, you kept it 100 with him, man. He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England, and him and I used to go to the Pro Bowl every year. If you were in the AFC,

from like 93 to 98, you weren't going to the probo. Not over me and him. Y'all had it sold up. The only question was who was going to start? He or I. But you could, no, hell not. But I was honest with it.

Yeah. Coach Davis said, God damn home. I can't let you take nobody else out. We ain't able to get nobody. I'm just, and then if I'm a wire receiver, I'm taking you on a recruiting visit.

But it got to the point, coach said, you're going to be the slot receiver. We already got our two receivers. It was me and Squirrel. We came in together. So I was two, he was three. Yeah.

Coach, hey, I'm an All-American. Then the next year I come back, I'm an officer player of the year. I'm first team all-conference. I'm again, Black College All-American. I was the only sophomore on the Black College All-American team. Right.

All the black coaches, we were in Greenburn, North Carolina, anybody that knows the Sheridan, Black College, but share the network, they have a black college. college all-American just for HBCU players. Yeah. My coach, Coach, Coach, uh, coach, uh, from Gravlin, Robinson, um, coach from, uh,

Jackson State, WC Gordon, uh, coach Willie Jeffery, all those coaches are, uh, are, uh, uh, from gunsling, Archie Cooney, Coach Cooney. They sitting around. Now everybody else is juniors because guess what? They got the, uh, the black college all-star game. So they, you know, they, they're practicing. All the coaches come in. I'm already there because I'm a sophomore.

I can't practice with him because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about these guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was running back. He was a player of the year, black college player of the year. They talk about all these guys, Benson Brown. They call him the Undertaker, Mississippi Valley. He said, man, this joker here is going to be good? Coach Davis said, look here, I don't mean to cut you all off.

He said, but I got the bad end here. And he's a sophomore. He said, I tell you what, in five years, he be the bad he's going to be the he going to be the bad whatever he played he'll be he's going to be the bad one all y'all good i'm sure all these guys good he said but i got the baddest end here right now and he'll soft boy he ain't lie hey hey hey um you still you still talk some of the players that played with you at savannah state like you still talk about bucket being bucket played together well what about squirrel i'm talking about squirrel the one at one of the

i see squirrel i see when i go back squirrel we we got what we called the 86 class yeah is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dane, Yard. A couple of the guys are passed. Now, Dame is past, Yard is past. Coupe, but we were the baddest, we were the baddest class. BMW, Mike Wallace. Yeah, we still, we still keeping communication.

And when I go back, which is not often, we get, hey, call 86. And when we see each other, we just start holless 86. And we know who that is, 86. Yeah. We on the yard, they already know 86 is in the house. 86 in the house. Are y'all, and y'all, anybody with the Savannah State, y'all know by 86? Y'all should cut up on their yard in your man.

Huh? I already know. I already know it. I already know it. But look, for the most part, I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools, Arkansas probably is a basketball school. But at foot, I, I, I, I don't. Now, if you, if you, you go to a football school,

let's you, I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come, come close. Come close. At Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State, Notre Dame. What is even close to the football team, guys? Georgia. No, no, no, yeah, Arkansas football school, you're right. Nah, nah, nah.

Them boy, hey, hey. Oh, yeah, but we, yeah, we still, we, we plan, as a matter of fact, we plan, it's just so hard. because everybody still is in Atlanta and Savannah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ocho. And so they talk, they talk all the time. A lot of times when they have homecoming, their FaceTime me. That's the only time I let them FaceTime.

They're like, man, hey, Sean, what's going on? Man, you need to beat out here. No, not with y'all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there. What night, ain't. But no, it's always great hearing from the guys. I invited Big Daddy, Squirrel, uh, Polk, and Bucket. They came to the Hall of Fame.

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As a matter of fact, I pay for those guys to come. In Ruff House, he asked Bucket to say, man, tell you if I want to come. I say, bro, hey, if he paid for his way, I got him a ticket into the game. So, I mean, to the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because, like I said, he's a part of that 86th class, and we were we like this era. Yeah. I mean, you know,

obviously, guys, we fought against, you know, I didn't fight, but you're something that get, you know, we knuckle up.

But boy, ain't nothing come between us. I guess it's us against everybody else. Yeah, we're going to fight. Yeah. Hey, dabbing up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that.

Don't you try that at that in the yard now. Hey, hey, hey, I can imagine the stories the boys got, boy. Hey.

Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, It's so funny.

No, I went like that. Joe, Joe, I went to school. You know what I'm saying? I got to get a degree. I got to get a potty here. Man, Porter's sleeping for two reasons. Hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking because you got to do all that.

But I could, hey, I only had four years to be there. I could be there freaking freaking would have kept me there next year or two. No, no, no, no, you know. I'm going to get out regardless because back this about, well, I don't know if they do it now. Man, black college ain't got no money to be red shirt, nobody.

You got to get a party there, you got four years. You come out, you come in there at 18? I mean, 17, you getting out of 21. You coming at 18, you're getting out of 22. Ain't no red shirt. Even if you hurt yourself, you're getting up out of there. You just got a year-cut show. Hey, Joe, every time, you know, when Uncle and I first started

and sometimes he'll tell stories about, you know, some of the things that happened at the HBCU, we had some really good stories, man. We first started the show. And, man, that just got me thinking, man, obviously I didn't have the opportunity because I was a knucklehead and I took such a long route, you know, in the school.

system and my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A&M University. Yeah. Always just to hear on talk about the A-B-U experience in general and being able to see my daughter cross their prayer view A&M and Joe, it experienced that atmosphere, Joe. Yeah. Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over. Joe, I was in tears, Joe. I'm talking about in tears and the atmosphere, it was, it was unbelievable and I was only there for two hours. So I can imagine being able to have that experience for four years straight. If that small simicide can't be emotional joke, I ain't even close.

Ain't nothing like rush. Oh, oh. You see them go over to see the AKA, the deltas or, you know, obviously the, uh, the fives, the prats. Hold on, hold on. The capals, the sigmas, the alphas. Hold on. They had all that what Ocho was at, didn't it? Yeah, but it ain't nothing like a LACCU.

Not the pageantry. I know. No, no, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah. Boy, look here, the student day is homecoming, Joe, that buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody starts to file, you know, the alumni start filing in on start coming in late Monday, Friday by Friday, everybody there. They up on the yard, they talk, hey, Shaw, you what's, hey, what you got for, Shaw? Oh, you already know, I'm going to put it down for you now. Yeah.

You came back to see O'Shea do it? Yeah. I got you. I got you. I got you. I'm going to do what I do. Hey, Joe, I had the opportunity to go, my daughter's senior year. I had the opportunity to go to Pre-A-Vue homecoming, her senior year.

Yeah. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time family has their homecoming, my, you know what, I got to work. I'm always working on that Saturday. I've never had the opportunity to go. It's amazing.

And that's what I tell people. If you went to a PWI, every black that's going to a PWI, You should have to spend one semester at a HBCU, and you wanted to be the fall. You wanted to be the fall because in the fall, you're going to get a little bit of everything. You're going to get all the football season and you're going to get a couple of basketball games.

Yeah. And we got our football team, we would call the suit coat, the suit coat crew. So we come in there, all football players, we have a suit coat on. Yeah. And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score,

we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to stop the game. They started calling the text on the table. Joe. Yeah. Hey, and so now the player, they're getting,

they get high. Hey, Sean, you're coming to, we got you. Yeah. We got you. Just, hey, don't matter.

If we go first or not, as soon as we go, about 40 rows of toilet paper. Now, you're going to mess up the dorm because, hey, we all the hands so much toilet paper in there. We have a steal toilet paper from the student center. But that's all right. But the,

but the team, we had a great chemistry. We had a great foundation. We got along, for the most part, because Peacock, basketball, football, and a few baseball players, but mainly it was football and basketball players

that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at Boston. But we were close. We were close. Oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience, why? Yeah. Ain't nothing like it.

College of college. Hey, college was fun, bro. Yeah. Damn. I'm glad I went when I went. Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't, Joe, we could Well, you could, Joe.

Ocho and I couldn't make it in social media era, not in college. Oh. Not in college. Hey. No, not me. Yeah. Not me. But you got to realize, Joe, I had a brother in the NFL my junior senior year.

Yeah, you're going to be cutting up. You're going to be cutting up. Bro, I had a 300 ZX with T-Tops. I got a Mercedes. My senior had a Mercedes, a 300 E. Big body. Yeah. Boy ain't passing up no hoo-ha.

He got, he, he, yeah, I already know it. And you know you young then, man, hey, I had to hire him a hostage negotiator to talk him down. He'd be up with about five or six hours, I had to talk him down. Hey, hey, this, you've done all you can do, Mr. Sharp. You can come on you, hey, you can ease down now. Mm-mm. Hey, you got a chill, you got to chill.

Man, hey, I heard, Aljo, had a hostage negotiator to talk him down, Samana PD. Hey, he asks about me. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. What's wrong with your man, bro? He got to be. Listen.

But let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to never had the opportunity. Went to Oregon State. Obviously, a great time. It was a short four-month stint for me at Oregon State. But I love, I love FAMU so much. Joe, and I was a knucklehead in school. Joe, I graduated high school late.

I didn't apply myself. Smart, but I didn't apply myself. Yeah. I love FAMU so much, even after I made it to the NFL. You know how I have them about music. I love the band. I always been a fan of the band. From 2002 to 2008,

I'm not sure how many people in the chat went to family, or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories. Every offseason, I did my training in Tallahassee, just so I could see band camp. Joe, just so I can see band camp. Man, Dr. White, I don't, I'm not, Dr. White's not there anymore.

Right now, the band director is Dr. Shelby Chipman. They saw, hey, Joe, every offseason, I'm in Tallahassee at bay. I go train in the morning and sit there and watch band camp. Oh yeah. Did you ever play an instrument? Yeah, yeah.

You know, I play piano and alto saxophone. Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about love and just, I couldn't go there. So that gave me my sense of peace. Yeah, yeah. It's being able to see band camp

during the all season and get my training done in the morning and go watch them boys, man. That's a, yeah, because by the time, time you got there because when I came out, Prop 48 had just been instituted. The year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia. So that made it work, that made it, so everybody was up under you had to make at least 700 or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 or the HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out. But my grades, like I tell people all the time,

Joe, I couldn't have got in prison with my grades. Hey, I haven't been to hold nobody. I haven't been to hold nobody. I'm not, I'm like I am now that of acquired knowledge and wanted to learn, I had no interest in that when I was in high school. Because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else in my school.

Yeah. I was so much better of a basketball player, so much better as a football player, especially my senior year. It was close my junior year. my junior year, we had a guy to end up going to Georgia Tech named Mofonzo Thomas. He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player.

My senior wasn't even no question. Basketball, I was best player, track. I was the best. I was the best at what I did. So, hey, see, no reason. Hey, hey, they can. What you call them. Do no schoolwork. They came from being out there in them fields.

Hey, the chat, the chat making fun of me, talking about I laugh so much. Hey, I watch so much. But if a chat, do me a favor, those that think I'm lying, look at my Instagram, look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, look at my picture that's my Instagram, what you call it, huh? Your bio.

Your bio, yeah. Yeah, your bio, pick. Yeah, look at my biopic. What about it? I mean, because they talk about, oh, I'm lying by my family, my love for fam, you and the band. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it.

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Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Declaration, which is full of these beautifully rendered, you know, sentences and paragraphs about enlightenment ideals, does also have this darker history to it. Why is it important for the darker part of the Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution? Why is it important that Americans know about it? Well, if we don't understand the full context in which our nation was founded, we won't understand the full context in which our nation now finds itself. I'm Rebecca Nagel.

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IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Joe, Denver Wolf's head coach Chris Finch put the league on notice saying Anthony Edwards would be a cold-blooded score with the addition of Lamello Ball. He's engaged in a way like I've not seen, and I think there's

a combination of factors. Obviously, the excitement of playing along Lamello. I think it's also maturation and recognizes what the team needs. where the teams at. He'll be far more like, I think I've just engaged in the overall sport. He's looking, he's watching.

He maybe didn't have the confidence to express some of his thoughts before, and now he's just way more community. And it's fun. Joe? Hey. Can we see Ant Man seriously into discussion as an MVP?

Yeah, I think it can definitely happen. Obviously, health plays a big factor, Uncle Ocho, but when you look at a lamello ball and man, their games complement one another. Le Mello is so unselfish. He made guys around him better. He has a natural feel, a natural great feel for the game.

Like, when you watch a cat play, bro, like, it ain't necessarily about him coming out, scoring 30 to 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game, knowing how to pass, win the past, you know, seeing plays happen before they really even happen. And Lamello is like that, bro. He, hell, if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho,

I think he led the league as far as usage rate, making guys around them better. There's some stat I've seen. But I think he's definitely going to make the game a lot easier for Ant Man offensively because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom, this is our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least eight to ten easy points

to where he don't even have to fight and work hard. You know what I mean? And then it's going to be nice where he's probably going to have 14, 15 damn assists. But then there are going to be some other nights So he's going to have an efficient 22, 25 points. He'll lead him in school. You know what I mean? I just feel like they compliment one another

and it's going to be so fun to watch because they're both so electric box office and can play, bro. They both got something to prove. Lamello going to have a chip on this shoulder. You know what I mean? This is going to be good for the game. And you look at it, Joe.

He's got a guy, not only can he facilitate. Now, he's going to be the best score that he's played with since cat. And he's playing with a guy that's a little more flamboyant as far as passing the ball than Mike Conley. He can score better than Mike Connolly.

They're kind of saying Mike Conno can facilitate, but Mike Conno wasn't the score that LaMello is. And nobody said, so now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man. You've got to pay these other guys some attention. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see it play.

I can't wait to see him. go at it because Ant Man is so fun to watch. I've never seen the guy because normally most guys be taking the series. They don't really, Ant Man will engage with fans on the sideline. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, hey, I gotta work out.

I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that, Andy. He said, no, nah, nah, no, this is a lot of not eating and a lot of working out. Hey, hey, hey, it's good that he know his body because you know, some of us know, you know, we know, but we can't afford no bad week or two hell. We've been to picked up 10.

Hey, but I think Minnesota, okay, Ocho, I think they're going to lean heavily on McDaniel, really making a huge jump, you know, this upcoming season, because they're going to be perimeter dominant, and they're going to need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both ends of the court, and they got a number of cats who can do that, bro. So do you right on?

They got offensive firepower. You look at the somo, you look at Shannon, you look at lamello, get ant, like you said, if McDaniels take that next step offensively, they got four or five guys that we know to give it. Well, we know Ant Man can get 30, 40, but the other guys, and we've seen Melo get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20, easy. Yeah.

Easy. They got, they got. And so now we got, you look, you got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy, going to get, Rudy's going to be Rudy. Just give me a double, double, Rudy. Hey, anything over eight points, we'll graciously accept. But we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13 rebounds of game. around two, three block shots again

with some intimidation factor. Because even though you don't block it, you alter it so much, they're not even close to making it. Absolutely. Ant man is going to be ant man. I'm counting on him being that. But I agree with you, Joe.

I think they're going to be, I think they're going to be a very fun team. You know, they moved on from Jew Randall. They felt like he was clogging it up and wasn't. This is me. Nobody's told me this, but like, I don't really think he ever really. fit with what they were trying to do, Joe.

Right, right. I understand. You know, I think what happened, especially in the playoffs, they tried to play through Randall, and it just didn't work. You know, obviously, Ant Man was hurt. He was hobbled. Hell, he even came off the bench the first, I think, game or two. Yes. It just didn't happen for him. You're right. The games don't complement each other because he's just not a,

he can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catching shoot three. You know what I mean? Like he's a guy. He kind of got a play through in order for him to, be effective. You know what I mean? You got to drop him to the block, dropping the ball in the mid post and let him work a little bit. You know what I mean? And they just, it's kind of like force feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back, you know, obviously with them getting rid of cat and him going to win a title, hell, man. Hey, hey, things happen, bro, move on. You know what I mean? Like we.

I think the thing also, Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Round is not a great passer, he doesn't do a really great job of passing when the double team comes. And he doesn't have a signature move. So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basket to try to pull his way to the basket up and under you. Well, man, so why you do all that, uh, uh, uh, I'm just standing around watching Joe. Hey, I'm, Joe, I'm like this. I'm right. Hey, what you're going to do for me now? Come on now. Shoot it to me. I'm ready. Hey, uh, uh, like, well, damn. Hey, he's like a, he's like a dump truck, a sanitation truck. Beep, beep, be, beep, beat, what damn, Joe?

Hey, hey, you're right. Now you pass me the ball with four seconds and wonder why I rushed up a shot. Now you killing my shooting percentage because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30 feet out. Hey, okay, Ocho, the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball

is being able to pass the damn ball. Right. Man, I'm talking about that's the most underrated attribute because if you got a guy who can really pass, especially your bigs, man, they can make the game a lot easier for everybody. But if you got somebody, man, who can't pass, it's hard, bro. It makes a game a lot harder. You know what I mean?

So I understand what I'm saying, you know, as far as Drew Randall not being a great passer, man, you got to have, if your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro. Why you think Yokic is so dominant? Oh, man. Why do you think Yok is so dominant? He can pass his ass off. Like a damn point guard.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That's why. Biggs that can pass out of the double team. Now because guess what? I pass out of the double team. Akeem Elijah Juan,

he was passing a Kenny Smith jet and Vern. Man Max were getting wide open threes. Ory getting wide open look threes. Sam Casale getting wide open look threes. And now when you come to double team, I dumped the dog down to Ordish Thorpe. Yeah. Or I got Clyde slack knife into the basket.

Boom. So when you get a guy like that, Shaq with Kobe, you look at go look at Shaq. Now he's not a six. six, seven assists guy, but Shaq knew Kobe coming, a slashing diving, he's dumping off to him, Kobe dunking the ball.

Or he got Robert Orr, he got Rick Fox, he got fish, knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard, you got the double shack. You ain't got no choice. Yeah, even though you know they got shooters out there. Look, yeah, that's a three-point shot, but Shaq gonna dunk your big in the basket

if you don't double it. Every time, every time. And think about that. You see what y'all just said, right? how Shaq is, how dominant Shaq is. Yes. And now think about that five we got down there in Miami. Huh?

No, no, no, no. Think about that. They're going to ever be another one. I'm not saying he is Shaq. I'm just saying what teams are going to have to double team him. Huh? And we got the king coming over there too, right? We got the king coming over there where he's had to carry the crown,

carry the team on the shoulder. Stay with me, Joe. Let me finish that. All right. He's had to carry the weight of the shoulders all this career. Now he wanted to sit back, kick back, and relax, and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess where he could do that at, Joe?

Where he can do that at, Joe? Well, he could do that down and day counting, boy. Hey, Ocho, Ocho. O'Donis, you really don't have to double Yonis. You just got to build that damn wall and try. Build a wall. Yeah, I'm not done because he don't have a signature move, Ojo, Ocho.

He ain't got like a midi. He ain't got no turnaround. I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him. I got to keep him out of the paint. That's what you do. As long as I ain't letting him do this, a dunk in the ball on me.

You heard what you just said? Yes. I got to keep him out of the pain. Who in the hell gets succeeded on keeping him out of the paint? Build that wall. The team that beat his ass in the playoffs when I can just focus on him. Well, he by itself.

You can't just focus on him now. Hey, I'm just not going to let him get 30, 15 and 7. Well, Bam, Bam, Gia, 83. Okay, well, let Bam, give us 85. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A real talk, though. Like, Yonnis getting a rebound, that's when he had his deadliest. When Yonis, when Yonis get the rebound, Ocho, I feel like he had his deadliest because, you know, he can attack.

It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall, meaning you got to have at least, shit, two, three sets of eyes on him. And you're all in close proximity. So he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and getting the teeth of your defense. and cause all kind of here because once he do that you let him get in there yeah now he nerve who dunking it spraying out for three it's just too many options you know what I think I think they gonna be a hell of a team I think they're gonna be greedy defensively which is gonna fuel their offense yeah

yeah oh Joe oh sir real tall if y'all get LeBron what they think gonna be turned up to the max over there way no you ain't got to tell me because you You understand that expert analysis you just gave me? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think LeBron thinking? LeBron, no. Where can I go?

Why I don't have to shoulder the burden? What is going to be the easiest route for me? Not just play. Yeah, we heard Rich Paul say, oh, it's not about the money. Oh, it's not about getting the ring. The hell you say, yes, it is. I want my best chances. I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can.

And this is the best fit. I understood that, which is why I've been saying. saying everything I've said. How you think I knew Yonis was coming to Miami? What did I say on the show long time ago? Long time ago before anybody. Oh, yeah. Yon's how he looking for houses.

I mean, I ain't just thought that I'd just be throwing out there. And then we got the reports today, huh? You saw the reports about Clay? What? I saw that. Hey, listen, when I say something on here on nightcap, I know y'all think I'd be lying. What you're saying, brus?

And I don't even need your sources because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves. What you said, bro? Huh? Huh? What you say? You got really lucky because had Boston given that third year that Yonnis wanted,

Yonis would have been in Boston. But hey, baby, you must to do Boston. Wasn't going to give him that third year. No, I know what I'm talking about, man. You know what they wouldn't go in that third year? But, Joe, you said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say Yonah's getting the ball on the defensive rebound and pushing it. It's like a running back, Ocho.

What we say about Derek Henry, we got to make him check his feet. Hey, you got to. If I just toss him the ball and let him run and then come down hill, I got to make him check his feet. I got to make, I got to stop the ball. I got to make Yonis pick up his dribble. Yeah.

And I ain't talking about it the damn free throw line because it's too late. You let him pick up and dribble up with the free throw line. He had the basket. He's dunking it. Or you're filing it. Hey, the best thing you could do, make him go east and west, Joe.

Yes. I got to stop the ball. I got him. That goddamn Derek. Hey, that goddamn Derek. Henry, Joe. Joe, he weighed about as much as you. he's six, three, and he get ahead of steam,

once he get past the line, I'm making a business decision. And now you can do it. I'm going to tackle his shoe. That's it. I'm going to have his shoe. As a returner, we say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner,

you got to throw. You got to make him, you just can't let him, because when they just hit it on the move, yeah. It's too much. You got to make him check his feet. But I told Ocho,

Ocho, when they first got there, what I told him do? I say, man, y'all put him in the offset. He's not an offset back. He's not Jemir Gibbs. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Put that man heels in eight yards and toss him the damn bone. He's an old school back, huh?

He's an old school eye back, Joe. Hey, he want to be out there, and you can put a fullback in front of him, and you can let the fullback slide to help you want to. But he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him. But he can't do, he's not, he's too long. He's a long striver. So as a long strider, you put him in the offset,

one step, two steps, he had the line. Yeah. Hey, hey, but he ain't shifted like, he ain't shifted like, he ain't shifted like a Christian McCaffrey. No. He's not, he doesn't have shake like that, like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position, but not him. He's too big.

Hey, but how, how, how, how, how's he that big though with that type of breakaway speed? Because it's like, once he get through that, if he can get through that, it's like, there's no damn catching him. No, no, no, he's strong. He threw the head back like we did back in the country. He throw that head back. It's over. If we ever throw that head back.

Goodbye. So he's strong, Joe. Oh, yeah. Damn. I'm not talking about this strong. I'm talking about when he running, he's in the open field. Yeah. He's strong, boy.

See, people missed on it. He went in the second round because of his style. You got to look at the Ocho Joe and Ocho. Yeah. He had the most yard. He has the most rush yards in high school football history. He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas.

Damn. That's still for like 50 years. He broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright running style, which is a big target. He's a big man providing you a big target to hit. So everybody says ain't no way he's going to be able to last long.

He's got 2,000, 3,000 carriers in high school. He's got another 2,000 carriers in college. And so he might, at best, got four, five years. And here he is, if I'm not mistaken, going to year 10 and go year 11th and have a chance to be the all-time leading Russia. He has a chance, outside chance, to catch Emmett Smith and Ladanian Thomas

as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's the guy that runs to contact. He's a collision back. Hey, if you know this, now if he got there to open and he see you go, because I got to tackle him low, Ocho.

I haven't been hitting me. this damn chance. You are, absolutely not. And get right. I'm going low, Joe. Hey, hey, I noticed that this year, too, this past season because he dealt with them damn fumbles because guys, that guys were like, damn, taking this contact.

I'm going to strip this damn bomb. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And now I put that in the back of his mind, so now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football. You're at your best when you're just free. Ocho is just running his ride.

He's running that speed out. Ocho, that left foot, don't hear that team. He's going to throw it to, he's going to roll. Hey, he knows when he comes out of that break, one, two, that ball, hey, bough, he already know. I'm hit at 10, I'm going to roll to 12. Hey, when that right foot hit on that dig route

and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back down here. I already know that. But I can't be thinking about it. What happens is it soles doubt. You have a couple of drops. Now all of a sudden you apprehensive, you try to body, you try to bite you, you ain't fluid.

You're trying to body catch it, Joe. Yeah, yeah. You're running with the football. You're like, you got both hands around it. You can't, you can't, how are you juke in somebody like that? You need to have the ball. Ah. So they put doubt in his mind because they had those fumbles last year,

special against Buffalo. Hey, remember what I said on the show, Unk? He funned it because he got them wet on his arms. Oh, those sleeves? No sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone, Joe. You got to be able to feel that ball on your skin. When you wear them long sleeves,

Joe like the hoop as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't feel the ball, you got to be able to feel that ball. Yeah. Somebody punched the right way. You got to have that skin the leather on. You got to have that skin the leather contact. But I like, considering that Minnesota has not

Denver out a couple of years of the playoffs and with really just aunt. Now, Jay McDaniels has been out of his mind. I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe. And then they found something in the Samu. They found something in those guys, but I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. He, hey, and he gives Murray a fit.

Hey, that's why he plays well. Let me tell you something. When you got a guy who's known for defense and he can score, he's a pretty good offensive guy too. See him having the guard Murray, it fuels his offense because, you know, you play good defense, you're in good spirit, so you're playing the right way, boom, that ball find you,

you know, now you're able to make plays offensively, but defensively, he's so engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point to where he, damn me, he looks so good against the nuggets. I'm like, I don't think the nuggets want to see the timber walls no damn more. He's like, I need to see, I need to see the nothing about 40, 50 games. I'm a all-star against him for show. But that's just, that's how it rolls out. But I'm anxious to see Antman. He is, he is, you know, he's a pleasure to watch.

Because at the end of the day, I don't give a damn to sport. It's still about entertainment, oh, Joe. Yeah. When you go to a sport, you go to a sporting event to what? To be entertained. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you, of course, if Jordan just laid the ball up,

would you go to be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out, and he's sideway. Ah, yeah. Yeah. It was Magic Johnson doing this. Yeah. Yeah, that point, yeah. That's why Biggs, that's why Big is hard to resonate with Biggs,

unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboard. Everybody's talking about the most unstoppable shot that's ever been created in basketball is what? The hook. That's Sky Hook. Sky Hook. And don't nobody get Cream created. Man, ain't nobody want to see that.

Ain't nobody in practicing there no more. Ain't nobody practicing. Of all the things, you see people do the finger, the finger roll, George Gervin and Doc Fanger roll, you see them hang in the air. They even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. Ain't no one player have ever. What the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18 feet like, like Corrie?

Hey, that's a hard-ass shot, though, Uncle, Ocho. I ain't going to lie to you. Hey, that's probably why they don't want to do it, huh? It would take long to perfect something like that, too. Carey said, how long you thought he took him to work on that? He said, you make it seem like he just came in the league and he's been working on his whole career. Yeah. And that's the thing.

Jordan is not Jordan if he wasn't entertaining. He understood the entertainment value of it. Right. Yeah. When he started flying through there, dunking on everybody. With spraying his legs, huh? You already know how the logo go.

Yeah. The jump man. Yeah. I mean, he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out there with that tongue hanging out, I said, man, you're going to bite your damn tongue on. I'm surprised he didn't have any issues. We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out.

What kind of issue? Well, if the Knicks didn't do it and the heat didn't do it and the pistons, where nobody was going to do it because they were the most physical. Hey, but don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't, people don't look at, because they look at McKell and they look at Parrish and they look at Byrd and don't think they were physical. But shh.

They had a super team. All of them have two. The Lakers and the Celtics have a super team. But super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I, that's what I learned to notice. Yeah. As long as you build it. But you do realize the Celtics did not draft Robert Parrish.

They traded him for Joe Barrett Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So they trade, that's how they got Kevin McKell and Robert Parrish. Yeah. They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate Archibald. A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft. But that's okay. That was before you back there.

And look at the Lakers. They didn't draft Kareen. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like you, I'll make excuses. You know what I said, Ocho. I like what you do. If I don't, I don't give a damn what you do.

You can find a cure for cancer. Screw you. You ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man. You found a cure for cancer, but you ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man. I gotta be, what you gonna do about that, Joe? Come on, come on, man.

If you're so good at medicine, but you know how I go. But no, I think this is, Ant Man, you come, I'm trying to say, the close he's gonna come is to the Lakers or the Clippers. I gotta go see him.

I gotta hit on, hey, T. Lou, I know you watch it, because you watch all the time. I'm gonna come see Ant Man play. When they go, when they go play the Clippers? Yeah. that we are. I'm going to hear this ass up. Yeah.

Minnesota going to be fun to watch this year, okay, Ojo. Hell, yeah. Absolutely. They're going to be fun to watch. They still going to, I still think they're going to be a top, they're going to be a top five team in the east. I mean, West. Top five.

Yeah. For sure. And if they stay healthy, they might be top four. Good be. Could it be. If you can stay healthy. Yeah. Hey, Portlandia fans.

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