Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jerry Jones takes a shot at Dak, Unc's Bucket List, Mahomes' Dad Bod

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones saying that the team is going "all-in" with Dak Prescott and Mike McCarthy and that he has "doubt" he could work with former New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick in the future, Unc gives his bucket list activities  the guys weigh in on Patrick Mahomes’ “dad bod” , and much more! 2:45 - Start of show 5:00 - Cowboys going “all in” according to Jerry Jones 19:00 - Unc says “attention is addictive” with Jerry Jones 26:20 - Ocho wants to go to a nude beach 38:00 - Micah Parsons says Cowboys are a few players short 55:30 - Thoughts on report that Rodgers stopped mentoring Wilson 01:01:00 - Cam Newton says Purdy is 10th best player on 49ers 01:08:20 - Ocho and Unc not surprised by Mahomes dad bod “You want a QB with a bootydo” - Unc (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)   #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and go get the feed through Nightcap. Ocho, let's get right into it. We have a lot of Cowboys topics today because the Cowboys do – what do the Cowboys do better than anything else? Talk. Make headlines. Here they're going again. Make headlines.

They definitely don't do anything else other than that. One and done. Jerry says the Cowboys are going all in. Jerry says he has no interest in a rebuild. We're going all in. I would say that you'll see us this coming year not build for the future. When have they built for the future? But anyway, Jerry says Dak has done nothing to change his mind.

Now, he did say he believes Dak is going to take the Cowboys as far as they're going to go. And he took them as far as they could go. I don't know if you took that as a compliment because I didn't. Man, you know, Nightcow is only going to go as far as Ocho take them. We got 50,000 souls as far as Ocho could get them. I don't think you're going to take your Cow going to go as far as Ocho take them. We got 50,000. Right, right, right. That's as far as Ocho could get. Yeah. I don't think you're going to take your cowboys to that, Ocho.

Stephen Jones, go ahead. Jerry Jones, listen, I told you before, and this is the problem. This is the problem with the Cowboys. This is probably why they always have an early exit because there's an individual, there's a certain individual that is constantly putting pressure. It even football season they making headlines it's not even football season he's always front and center in front of the camera and hasn't played a down hasn't thrown a pass hadn't put a touchdown we know you're the owner we know you're the owner you can't even get out your own way so your team can do what they need to do. You don't have to always gravitate towards the

attention. We know you own the Cowboys. Why put the pressure on McCarthy? Why even mention anything about Dick in a negative manner or put it out there where it's confusing to where nobody even understands what you're saying? How do you think your quarterback feels? How do you think your quarterback feels when he can't even figure out the cryptic message that you said he likes that he likes that steven steven jones said the cowboys won't be trusted until they win like mahomes and brady really bro why y'all don't have a home that is a good but he ain't my home Y'all never had a Mahomes or Brady. Why even take shots at your own

quarterback by mentioning two other all-time greats? One is still playing and the other is retired, but he's a transcendent. How do you think that makes Dak feel? That's like me. That's like me, Dak and

Brady, right? And I get on get on nightcap and say well damn she ain't like the other one I had and she ain't like so and so I you know who they you know what's McCall it like what are we

doing what message are you trying to send if you don't believe in Dak come out and say it you don't have you don't believe in Dak, come out and say it. You don't need to take backhanded compliments. That's what that is. That's it. It's a backhanded compliment, man. Come on, stop playing games.

How do you think your quarterback feels? No other team does their quarterback like this. The mistreatment of Dak is at an all-time high, and not one motherfucker has come to his defense. But you know how Jerry thinks. Jerry thinks that if I pay you, if I pay you a lot of money,

I should be able to say what I want to say and you suck it up. And a lot of people will co-sign that. Oh, because you remember the Ocho. Man, if I was making 30,

if I was making 15 million, you could say whatever you want to say about me or you could do whatever you want to do about me. But it's easy to say that. Put it in the terms of what you make. Your boss paid whatever you make. Are you going to allow your boss to say whatever he said? Well, hell, anybody will do that. If I make a hundred thousand, if somebody's going to pay me 40 million, but you got to do it in the terms of what you making your money now. Would you allow your boss

to say whatever he wanted to say treat you however he wanted to treat you on the salary that you own because you don't work a job that the command that you make 40 million or 30 million or 10 million so for you to say oh right he could say whatever he wanted to say yeah you you don't say But when I look at it, Jerry also says he has no doubt he could work with Bill Belichick in the future. So let me get No, you cannot. You couldn't continue work

with Jimmy, who won back-to-back Super Bowls, but you're going to take a guy that's the greatest coach in NFL history, but you're going to be able to work with him. Absolutely not, because if you're working with Bill Belichick, you're going to have to take a back seat. Continuing to make the noise that you make, continuously putting pressure on the players, putting pressure on the coaching staff and the head coach is not something Bill Belichick is

going to sign up for. It's not him. It's never been his motto. It's not his forte. Nor will he enjoy and entertain the circus that comes with playing under the umbrella of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones. It's not happening.

That was cardinal rule number one. Hard to be in the Patriot way and playing in that organization when the Bills rules were one, do your job and don't say shit in the goddamn media. Do your job and don't say anything in the media. That's it. Nothing else. You think he's going to go over it? Why even say that? And Mike McCarthy is there your head coach. Why?

To grab headlines. Again, I'll say it again. Jerry Jones is the common denominator. The pieces to the team on defense and offense have constantly changed the past 25 years since the 90s. They haven't won since Jimmy Johnson left. Barry Switzer won in 95. Jimmy

left in 94. They lost to the 49itzer. Barry Switzer won in 95. Jimmy left in 94. They lost to the 49ers in the NFC Championship game. They came back the following year in 95. They won, but hadn't won the Super Bowl. Hadn't advanced to the NFC Championship game. Championship. But since that point,

however many years it's been, there's been one common denominator, and that's Jerry, who refuses to get out the way, to get out his own way. Pride, ego, karma maybe, whatever it might be. At some point,

he hasn't seen it. The people around him that are feeding off of him, you have a bunch of yes men. Sometimes, when you got a group of men and you got somebody that know, you know what what the people you

surround yourself with i'm gonna only let you go i forgot the goddamn saying what's the saying you know you know the saying when they my grandma used to say it but i can't remember no more because because i'm i'm a loner well first of all but the people that come to come for you keep that's eating off of you, they always yes, man. Because you need people to tell you what you need to know, not what you want to hear. And that's what Jerry has. There we go. Because here's the thing.

Let's just take you. You got homeboys. I got homeboy. The likelihood of you having a homeboy and I got him, that's going to tell you what you need to know and not what you want to hear because if you stop the bus and get out, now there's no more bottle service. Now I'm not going to be riding them ladies.

Now I'm not going to be able to go to the places that I could never go without Ocho. So why would I ever interrupt that? I like that. I like what you just said. I like what you just said. I love what you just said. But you got you just said. I love what you just said, but you got to understand the people I grew up with during my time,

during my era, they ain't play that shit. For sure. If, if I'm not aligned, if I'm not moving, right, man,

they going to tell me something. My little brother, Chauncey, Bo, Rep, Hound, Bobo. It's about,

it's about five of them. Yeah. You know, they already know there was structure Um, we have structure back in the day Ain't no ain't no are or we gonna let you get it with this are now come on come do this Ain't none of that one none of that back then They ain't play that not nowadays, you know, the people you hang it with ain't even moving, right?

They shouldn't even allow you to hang around. Ain't no yes men. Everybody held everybody else accountable. That's not supposed to be. In regards to what you did, regardless of whether you were in the street, whether you played football, whether you were an academic scholar,

they was going to make sure you stayed in that fucking lane. Oh shit, I'm sorry. They're going to make sure you stay in that lane. Jerry knows he's not moving right and the people around him need to say something. Even if he's the owner, even if he cuts you

off financially, you got to say something because he's the common denominator on why they can't win. Well, you keep that bull job to yourself, Ocho. I'm next in line to run the Cowboys and I'm not going to mess that up by telling Jerry he out of place. He out of pocket. That ain't going to happen, Ocho, I'm next in line to run the Cowboys. And I'm not going to mess that up by telling Jerry he out of place. He out of pocket.

That ain't going to happen, Ocho. I'm next in line. I'm going to be next in line. Ocho, we understand. Birds of a feather flock together. When the last time you saw penguins and pigeons hanging? Penguins march with penguins. Pigeons fly with pigeons.

That's just the way it's a good one my grandfather's always in the company that you keep and i've been very fortunate because my sister till this day will tell me every time i'm moving wrong ojo she will tell me i'll get mad till this day if you could if i could call my sister right now she'll tell me i'm wrong i'll get mad and hang the phone up if i don't want to hear right but she's gonna tell me my homeboy bucket and burn say home they say homeboy yeah you know you are homeboy yeah a bucket gonna say man we got damn them but you're wrong on this one homeboy he said you know hey i don't love you like a brother he say i love you as my brother he say you you're

wrong on this one now you're wrong you know i'm gonna tell you when you're wrong you're wrong and i'm gonna tell you yeah you got the right people around you a lot a lot of fellas ain't fortunate to have them type of people around a man because they don't want to yell they don't want to cut off their water they don't want to cut off their water because it's a lot of people nfl athletes current and former that know they ain't moving right. And the people around them are allowing the bad behavior because they don't want to lose out on the financial gain, the trips, the clubs, the bottles, the whole, excuse me, I'm sorry, the women. Don't get me started. When it's time to go, you know, being being able to drive the cars being able to have access yeah because the thing is oh

joe because of you and because of i we're in position to go places and do things they were never going to be able to do without us and so to make sure they continue to do that to be in those situations to see the women that they see to go where they go be in the places that man that made the boss would say bro move it alone y'all ain't coming to here what yeah so in order to keep that a a sharp you right you right a sharp you right they wrong they did no bro i'm you you wrong and it's okay because if i'm wrong i want somebody to tell me i'm wrong because i don't want to be going i don't want to be moving along thinking i'm right when i'm absolutely wrong and then when something went wrong and then it's too late because i've

been doing it this way and someone could have been told me but that's what you're here for you're my backstop so when i'm'm wrong, you're supposed to catch it. Yeah, right away. That's your job. Jerry doesn't have anything. They say, what happens first? Nightcap here, 5 million subs, 90% Cowboys reach the NFC Championship game.

We ain't even about a million subs. They said five billion yeah we gonna get there we gonna have a huge surge from somewhere

I don't know where it's gonna come from but listen I love Jerry I love Jerry you know I love Jerry for what he's done

as far as having one of the best well run organizations there is he is the most expensive

not most expensive he's the most what's the word I'm looking for as far as how much they work? They have the most valuable franchise in the world. Not just North America. Think about this. The world. The Cowboys are more valuable than any soccer team, any baseball team, any basketball team.

Right. So think about this. I want Jerry Jones. I know you're going to see this. Think about how valuable you are right now. Think about how valuable your team is right now.

Think if you took a backseat for a change. And y'all started winning some Super Bowls. Think about, let's stop. Let me stop. Let me reset.

Let me allow Mike McCarthy to do what Mike McCarthy does. Let me allow Dak to do what he does. Let me not put pressure by always taking headlines and being front and center like I've always done. And let me see what happens in 2024 if they get it done without me at the front consistently all the time, saying things that are unnecessary, adding constant pressure in a game that's already difficult as is because the

players already have the star on their helmet. Don't make the game harder than it needs to be and watch how the value increases times 10 think about if they win an nfc championship championship during this time think if they go to a super bowl during this time and you think you're valuable right now what you think gonna happen oh joe but you got come on come on jerry i won't come on you know how it is credit i need that i need you to know that i'm most responsible for this if you're the owner of something and you writing the checks you're automatically going to get the credit anyway because it's the team that you created and built and paid the players to play on. So the credit coming to you anyway.

You know who owns who owns the 49ers? The York family. I heard the York family all got them here. Who owns the Kansas City Chiefs? Clark the Hunt family. Clark Hunt runs it. I heard the Hunt family all year. I ain't seen him in front of one camera.

Let the players play. When it's your time, when they hand that Lombardi trophy off, guess what, Mr. Hunt, or whoever owns the 49ers, guess who's going to test the trophy first? Guess who's going to test the trophy first? But the difference is

Jerry wants to be, when you think of the Cowboys, tell me who you think of. When you think of Kansas City, who you think of the Cowboys, tell me who you think of. When you think of Kansas City, who you think of? Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. When you think of the Dallas Cowboys, who you think of? Jerry right away.

That's what he wants. Because he continuously steals the spotlight when he's not the player. And maybe that is the issue. Man, you do know that's a drug, right? You know what fandom is? That's a drug. It's a detention. Attention, yes.

Attention, yes. I mean, yeah, when you look good, it's okay. You crave it. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jerry Jones had the same amount of money, but he didn't own the Cowboys. He'd be miserable. You could double his money.

That's how he's tied to that. That's his identity. Some people, their identity is tied to what they have, not who they are. And that's him. The Cowboys is Jerry. Wait a minute. Stop, stop, stop. No, you ain't going to get that goddamn Jim out.

You ain't going to get that Jim. I think I'm going to write that one down. His identity is tied to what he has. Not who he is. And so he has to have that. He has to be the center of attention. He, I mean, you know, like you said, okay, whoever wins the Super Bowl, they're going to hand the trophy to the owner. They might not even pass it to the players.

He might get in just hold it the whole while. Everybody else talking. Super Bowl MVP is crowned. Jared still got the trophy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Jared still got the trophy.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, sometimes in many facets of life, we tend to get in our own way of things. Yeah, for sure. Because we want to be center of attention. Because we want to be right. Because we're not thinking clear. Because we always think it's about us.

Sometimes it's not about you. Sometimes it's about those around you. Sometimes it's about those that are playing for you but see that's how you but selfish ego pride it's okay to put it aside it's okay to put it aside and try a different way because my way obviously isn't working it's okay oh oh joe when you don't care who gets the credit, it's okay. I could have easily called a show. Nightcap featuring Ocho. No, it ain't featuring Ocho.

It's Nightcap unking Ocho. Because I don't care. I don't care. Because we work at this. You have your strength. I have my strength. We try to come together to make the best nightcap. That's what it's about.

They talk about Ocho crazy. Man, y'all know Ocho crazy? Man, Ocho, the one he on the show with a nightcap with Unc. That brought me into it. Man, you know Unc got them one line and you all hear him all night. Yeah, man, you know, I've got them one line you are here more night

Yeah, I'll be here on that camera. Oh, Joe You see It going hey, you know, we like together You you watch Marvel. I don't watch Marvel, but you watch my I know I know the Marvel come DC come here You know, you know, we like we like Thanos as We like Thanos together when he got all them damn infinity stones. Yeah, yeah, that's what we like, bro. Yeah, yeah, we like that.

My daughter hit me to the movie, and she mentioned, like, boy, you know you and Ung together? Boy, y'all like Thanos when he snapped that goddamn finger with all them goddamn stones. I like that. But that's how you, Ocho, that's how you have to be. Right. And I just believe that's the best way to be thing.

Don't make someone feel like they're, make them feel like they're a part of. They're a part of this. The Cowboys, 12 and 5. Dak Prescott, man, had a good season. 36 TDs, 9 interceptions, almost 5,000 yards. And to come out and say some of the things that were said today,

are uncalled for. It's unfair to the players. It's unfair to the staff and what they're doing. We have players that have their parents saying things via Twitter and it just causes too much commotion. And I think the comfortability and them saying some of the things that they're saying at home via social media, it all starts at the top because your owner is always front and center because

your owner is always front and center because your owner is always front and center always mouthing off always saying something always grabbing headlines always creating attention so now it rubs off on not only those in the locker room it rubs off on those that are family members and now as soon as they say something it garners attention as well listen if somebody parent on another team said something via social media, wouldn't nobody know. Right. Wouldn't nobody know.

I mean, wouldn't nobody care. But everything is magnified that has to do with that star. For sure. Everything. And it all starts because of one person. But you understand.

That refuses to just sit back, let my team, let my coaches, do they do diligence. diligence i'm gonna sit back and just see how it goes but you do understand that comes along with it because uh great responsibility comes with playing with the cowboys or like you and myself you know we have a a great youtube channel um and it's growing and so there comes great responsibility with that and some of the things how we probably would want to move we can't necessarily move like that

anymore oh joe because their eyes on us their eyes on it is different we have to move different yeah we laugh and joke but i understand there are things that i can't do that i want oh you don't think i'll be i'll be want to do do the pay hold on hold on hey that's a good one right that's a good one right there tell me tell me something you can't do anymore based on where we've gotten or what we're doing right now that you would like to just one thing i'm gonna tell you what i'm gonna did a little pre-launch. Outside? I've been trying to do a little pre-launch, you know.

God damn, what are you running about? Wait, outside? See, look, like,

like, like, a movie bathroom. Yeah, you know, I want, I love, I get,

I get anxious. I want to like, the phone getting caught, but of getting caught but not getting caught right yeah right right right right

the butterfly the feeling of the unknown like the knowledge I was at the park in Savannah I was at Savannah State they called me they called me to park

okay that was before they had hydraulic so they knew something was going on they like somebody got hydraulics in the side. Come on, come on, come on now. And you know, the windows all fogged up.

You know, I just hit it. Right, right, right. Right. Hey, Sean, come on, bro. You know you can't do that. All right, cool. All right, cool. Right, right, right.

Roll back, say go back up on it. You know what's funny? Went to another puddler spot. I just left the park, went to another pudd back, go back up on it. You know what's funny? Went to another puddler spot. I just left the park, went to another puddler, went on the beach. God damn. Boy, you working like that? Boy, you better than me, boy. Boy, you better than me.

Listen, one of the things that I would love to do, but I can't. Listen, one of the things that I would love to do, but I can't, and obviously it's been this way for a very long time due to the visibility and me not being able to do some of the things I like to do. You know what? I really, really would love to go to the nude beat. I can't go to the movie with the baby on her? Come on, Ocho. Come on, Ocho. Listen, that's been a dream.

That's been a dream of mine to do with the missus. You know, her and I talked about it. We talked about going and we looked up somewhere in Jamaica. Obviously, we have one here in Hallover. I think the one here in Hallover, it's a bit some in Jamaica. Obviously we have one here in Hall over. I think the one here in Hall over it's, it's, it's a bit, uh, more of the older crowd,

but there's something in Jamaica that they have where, where it's new. And we just wanted to go and just be free and see what that experience is like. Because, you know, there was a time where, you know, everyone walked around,

you know, free how you're born. And it's kind of a weird thing. And, and it's just some, I just want to do. Just experience. It had nothing to do with traveling.

Nothing with money. I wanted to purchase something. I just want to know what that freedom felt like. I want to be a member of the Mile High Club. So I'm going to have to get... Because obviously I can't fit into a Delta bathroom. So I'm going to have to rent a private jet. You're going to have to rent a private one.

You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't private jet. You're going to have to rent a private one. Nah, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. You're getting in trouble. I'm going to get in trouble. Man, you mean jet? Hold on.

You're going to... But you end up on the no-fly list. You ain't going to be able to fly on no... I'm going to rent a private... I'm going to get a private plane, don't you? Nah, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Because think about it. Think about it. Think about it. Rent a private jet. We talk about $20,000, $30,000, $50,000, depending on your destination. Just to get something that you can get for free

because it's you. Yeah, it's worth it. Ocho, that's on my bucket list. You asked me the other day, what's on my bucket list? Okay. That's a little too much. That's what I want to do. Yeah, but that's a little too much. That's what I want to do. Yeah, but that's a little too much

because you got to think about it. In hindsight, when you put it all together and think about it, you're actually paying $20,000, $30,000, $50,000 for some cat. We can't,

I can't let, I wouldn't let you go out like that even though... I'm on them diamonds and I'm talking about, this is what I'm going to do, this is how I'm going to do it. I'm on them diamonds and I talk about this is what I'm going to do this is how I'm going to do it I'm going to wait like a whole month

and then I'm going to get on them diamonds the pain taxing down the runway it get up okay you can land right now I'm done I don't need more 30 30 seconds by the need no joke. I don't need no joke. 30 seconds. By the time the plane

gets to the end of the runway, y'all might want to turn this thing around. We ain't going, we ain't left. We ain't left, Ocho. Hey, man, you shot out, man. Okay, okay.

We can get back on topic. I was just curious. I ain't curious. I'm for real. Ojo, they say what has more dust, the Cowboys trophy case or your ceiling fan? Yeah. What has more dust?

Oh, that's messed up. That's what it say, Ojo. That's what it say. I mean, that's our poll. Yeah, we got to put's messed up. That's what it say, Ocho. That's what it say. I mean, that's our poll. Yeah, we got to put the poll up. But Ocho, I'm just saying, Ocho. I mean, that's what I want. I mean, that's what I want to do, Ocho.

Movies. I want to go to the movies. I want to be in the movies. Hey, Ray, what's up? I heard y'all talking about the new beach. I wasn't talking about the new beach, Ray. What I'm trying to do ain't no beach. It's on the beach.

That wasn't me. That was him. That was him. What? What? What who? I think it's the drama but it was a lot of old people out there.

This motherfucker done been to the new beach. But I didn't partake in the new beach. In Anguilla. You look good. Oh, she went to Anguilla. What the fuck? Where's Anguilla at? It's in the Caribbean, isn't it?

It's in the Caribbean. Yeah, she went with her girls or something. Okay, anyway. That's what I'm just saying. That's on the bucket list. I like it. It's on the bucket list, but that's something you can't do. I'm going to do it.

That's too much. I'm just saying the price. Like Luther Vandross said, never too much, never too much. I don't know who told you that. I'm just adding it all up. What about the restaurant? Hey, oh, that's a good one. Matter of fact, stay with me real quick.

Tell me you saw the movie Unfaithful with Olivia Martinez and Diane Lane. Unfaithful. Remember the coffeeinez and diane lane unfaithful remember the coffee shop scene remember the coffee shop she was in there with the girls and he came in and they looking at him and she ate and they she pretend like she don't know him they go hey what the hunty say did you underground hunty i once got busy in a burger king bathroom hey that was a great scene i stuff like that stuff we see in the movies in a Burger King bathroom. Hey, I bought it. Hey. Hey, that was a great scene. Stuff like that,

stuff we see in the movies, I think people... That'd be great. People... It got to come from somewhere, you know? Anything they put in a movie, people do in real life, but it's very scary

because if you get caught, boy, you're in front of the center on Channel 4, Channel 10, Channel 7. You got to be careful. I wanted, like... Like, before my brother, like, started getting Channel 4, channel 10, channel 7. You got to be careful. I wanted, like, like, before my brother, like, started getting big,

I could do stuff. I could do stuff. I mean, you know, I was still Shannon Sharp. I was a pretty good athlete, getting better and better. So I was risky. Oh, I was risky, Ocho.

Right, right. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. You can't risk it no more. I came with them days long gone, but there's certain things you just can't do no more. Okay, I'm days long days long Just can't do no more Such as such leaving they gonna be back in ten minutes. I don't need but to I don't need to

Hey, oh, I brought a oh, I bet you don't hey, I'm like you say Yeah All I need that's all I need. All you need is two? All I need. That's all I need. Oh, my parents don't care. I just need you to stop talking

because you interrupting the groove. Don't say a word. Hey, I don't want you to say nothing. Don't say nothing. Don't say nothing. Don't say nothing. Don't say nothing. I'm concentrating.

Hey, listen. And when we got the nerve to complain about three minutes, three minutes is a one round heavyweight fight. You talk about three minutes, one long enough. Let me see you get in the ring. Throw some punches. Have somebody trying to hit you for three minutes and you'll see how long three minutes is.

That's plenty of time. That's plenty of time. That's plenty of time. And you better get yours. You better get yours before I do. Because if you don't, that's on you. That's on you. I ain't got nothing to do with that. When I was running back in the day, if I'm on the treadmill and somebody

running, we racing. You ain't got to tell me we racing, but hey, you up your speed, I'm up my speed too. You better get yours before I get mine, because once I get mine, it's over. The race stops. I ain't got nothing to do with that. Listen, if you don't get yours

when I get mine, you go ahead and finish by yourself. I mean, hey. Yeah. The marathon had a finish line, but so does the 100 meters. Yeah. Most of the time, I run the 100 meters. I don't do the marathon because I ain't got that kind of distance. You understand what I'm saying, Ocho? I know I'm black, but I ain't Kenyan.

You know what I'm saying? I'm more Jamaican. I got Nigerian roots, but I'm more Jamaican than anything. I'm a friend of him. Not a distance guy. Yes, sir. And they need to understand that. Hey, I'm sorry. I mean mean that's how it's supposed to be

when you got that when you got that Sega yeah I mean I appreciate that but women need to understand women need to understand yeah that's what's going on I appreciate that, but women need to understand. Women need to understand.

Yeah. That's what's going on. I mean, you, the first, if the first thing out of your mouth is, God, baby. Damn. See, you hear me? You heard that? You need to understand.

So don't be talking about, no, one more round tonight. Oh, and then hit this man. That you only go on one round? Yeah. One? Yeah. Oh, that ain't even a full round. That's a half a round. The referee and the bean. He said

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the Cowboys were a few players short this season. What? I mean, maybe at specific positions because, you know, the Cowboys defense, they're a little undersized. What position? They're a little undersized.

I didn't hear that. They're a little undersized because if you want to be the Cowboys, you know, all you got to do is just run straight down here. Just run straight down here. That's it. Run straight down here. Run right at them.

They're a little undersized. And that means that's no disrespect. The way they're built, they're built for speed. Sideline to sideline. Ain't really no meat potatoes down in the middle. I'm trying to figure out. I didn't hear any of this when they

was winning these games. All I heard was they great defense. and they believe in that yeah and we got this we gonna do this that's what i heard right right right man they was doing it though they was doing it though they was doing it not my either excuse me excuse me remember we talk about a 12 and 15 they won they won bad they told he talking about a 12 and 15 yeah yeah i'm just saying i'm sure there's some pieces there's some pieces that that that could they weren't bad. Does he understand that he's talking about a 12-5 team? Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, I'm sure there's some pieces,

there's some pieces that could have been a little bit better, and I think it would have given them their chances to win in some games that they lost. Micah in four playoff games got one sack. So you tell me the role he play in this. Well, you have to understand, also, offensively, those teams... I say, what role does micah play in this with one sack and four playoff games well he's double team and triple team so was lawrence taylor

so was uh uh ldt so was von miller so it's aaron donald okay so it's bruce smith so it's reggie white that's what because all i heard he's lt reincarnated That's what, cause all I heard, he's LT reincarnated. That's what they keep telling me. I said, do y'all understand who LT was? Do y'all understand what LT is? They, they created offenses to block LT.

He made two position famous, the left tackle and the rush linebacker. How many guys can say they made two positions famous? LT did that. So you better be careful when you start comparing those guys. So this is what he said. He said, sitting here and talking

about it, we're going all in this year. So when did you go all in? Y'all signed Stephon Gilmore. Did they go get Stephon Gilmore? Okay. That seems like an all in move to me. But anyway, let's keep reading. Man, that's what I hope for.

I'm 24 years old. I've been in the league three years, and I've kind of seen it all. I hope that we go all-in, considering that you got an all-pro left tackle, all-pro left guard, all-pro right guard, all-pro quarterback, all-pro right receiver. You've been an all-pro. Deron Bland is an all-pro, and Stephon Gilmore has been all-pro. So you got eight, all-pro wide receiver. You've been an all-pro. Deron Bland is an all-pro. And Stephon Gilmore has been all-pro. So you

got eight pro all-league. What the hell you mean you hope you go all-league? You all-league! Yeah. Yeah, they are all-league. That's why when Jerry said the same thing, right? Jerry said the same. I'm curious and trying to understand exactly what he

means. What are you saying by that? When you say you're going all in, when you have the team, you have the, the, the structure to get exactly where you want to go. Cause if you continue to go on 12 and five, 12 and five,

or you're having continuous winning seasons, there's something that you need to do to get over the hump, to get out of the first round, to get out of the second round, to get out of the second round. How about playing better football? When it matters most. Thank you. When it matters most.

So, when is as the great player that he is, when is Micah going to have his imprint on a playoff game? It's coming. It's coming. Hold on. The guys have been a multi-time All-Pro.

He's made the Pro Bowl every year. What you mean is coming? Hey, Micah's in year three, right? Yes. Year three right now? He going into four? Rookie of the year. Yeah. Two-time first Mike. Mike is in year three, right? Year three right now. He's going into four. Rookie of the year. Yeah.

Two time first team all pro. Always in contention for defensive player of the year. But the playoffs. Right. His his playoff resume and play doesn't match the regular season. That's how you become legendary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean mean it's early on early it's early it's early on for his early form you know you you got to understand and find ways even when they're trying to stop you to continue continuously make those plays when it matters most in the important games

like the playoffs and find a way to try and dominate and take those games over. Now, it's a difficult feat. It's a difficult feat. Even when they try to move him around, they have him on the left, they have him at middle linebacker. They try to do exotic stuff with him moving around to find mismatches for him. You know the mismatch here?

When they run the football. That's the mismatch. Because they're undersized. Because they're on the sides. Mike, against the Packers in the wild card game, he had one solo tackle, one quarterback hit. They scored touchdowns on six of their first seven possessions.

Mm-hmm. That was a crazy game. It was crazy. It was a crazy game because they hadn't lost at home all year. They hadn't lost at home all year. They hadn't lost at home all year, so obviously you thought

the Cowboys were going to win. You thought the Cowboys had some kind of home field advantage, huh? Didn't I just tell you it's a whole different season? No, I'm just saying. We base everything

off numbers and statistics. They hadn't lost at home all year. They were putting up 39 points at home all year. I don't know what the hell i mean you play the giants you play the commanders i mean i hope you win your game you play in those teams right right that's crazy i mean one tackle

wow I mean, one tackle. Wow. 49ers. I mean, we saw the 49ers in the regular season. I'm like, wow, bro, come on now. Give me something. But I, oh, don't say we need a few. What positions do you need? What position?

That's a great question. I mean, he position that that that that's a great question i mean he said it so that's a great question i'm not sure where he would go with it i'm not sure where to go where he would go with it the only position i can think of which would be better for them is the interior the interior or maybe maybe even the linebacker position the interior and the linebacker position. The interior and the linebacker position. That's the only thing I can think of. Get a little bit more stout up front. You know.

Mr. Lawrence on one side is good. There's a young rookie. The young rookie, I can't remember his name. Is it Mozzie? Oh, Mozzie. Yeah, Mozzie Smith, right? From michigan yeah yeah yeah he he's nice he's a good addition you know i'm not saying he's he's good he's no aaron donald type i think nobody is but just get a little bit more beef up front uh secondary but that's fine trayvon diggs is back next year jay ron curse is nice not the way that that defense uh dan quinn, and we're going to talk about him in a minute.

He just got the head coaching job at the Commander. He's gone now. But that defense, if you look at the Legion of Boom, it was predicated on speed. When you look. Everybody was fans. Everybody was fans, except maybe Kent. But Kent was a thumper. That's it.

A thumper. They were going to play single high safety. except maybe can't, uh, that's it. Yeah. Thumb. He would, they would listen. They're going to play single high safety. They're going to play what we call, we call it lurk. They call it Robert. He's looking,

he's looking to knock hell out of any crosser. And then when he jumped to the hole, he, Hey, he was looking lower boom or anybody running the seat, but their, their team was predicated on speed. Red, uh, uh, Bennett, Red, Bennett, Cliff Averill, those guys were looking to attack the quarterback.

Right. But I'm looking at Dan Quinn in that game. Bruh, you got safeties. You playing nickel. You can't play nickel on a team that's running the ball. Them little ass dudes, they got enough bricks in their back pocket. They going to get your ass up out of there. And it's even worse now because anything that is run towards the outside,

sweeps, pitches, stretch plays, mind you, guards pulling, you can't even cut no more. So you can't even cut no more and create a pile. So you in no man's land is a DB, especially if you plan nickel on defense and a run is coming your way. You have, you get in steam roll, but see the thing is that what,

here's the thing, what teams started to do is like, look, they have speed. So we're not going to try to get the edges. We're going to run down here. That's broad. Y'all got safety trying to play linebacker positions.

So it's great. If you try to go outside or in pass coverage, but what happens when Aaron Jones runs the ball down the hill and he's getting five, six, ten yards a clip? And if you look at the 49ers, run the ball. Teams that beat them, they run the ball because they're too light. They're playing nickel. Why are you playing nickel with a team that they run the ball because they're too light yeah they play a nickel why are you playing nickel with a team that's running the ball nickel is basically a third is really a third down defense or if a team is if a team is in three wides or empty package but they're they

have and they're not going to run the football the the packers with aaron jones will run the ball the 49ers with christian mccaffrey will run the ball we The 49ers with Christian McCaffrey will run the ball. Will run the ball. So you playing nickel is foolish. Yeah. So they should have scrapped that defense. So let's get back. Dan Quinn, no longer.

He was the former defensive coordinator for the Cowboys. He gets the head coaching job at the commanders. You like the hire. You like it. You love it. What do you expect from the commanders? I mean, I think the quarterback situation is more important than

regards to Dan Quinn being hired as a defensive coordinator. They got to fix the quarterback situation to get where they want to go. Offensively, Jahan Dawson, Terry McLaurin, brother Samuels. They're on that side. They got to get

the quarterback situation fixed. Defense. They got Alan Payne inside. They got some okay pieces. The D-tackles. The D-tackles. They traded Chase Young. Yeah. They traded him. Remember, he went to

Chicago. If I'm not mistaken, I think he's the first player to lead two teams in sacks in the same season. He ends up going to the Pro Bowl for the Bears. You're right. So I'm thinking I would love to see Emmanuel Forbes have a bounce back here. He struggled a little bit last year. I want to see him have a bounce back here. But as far as I think the Dan Quinn hire is good, depending on what he's going to do. You can't do what you did in Dallas because I don't think you have the same personnel.

because I don't think you have the same personnel. You don't have the same personnel. So things are going to have to be a little different. You're going to have to play and understand the players you have, understand their strengths and their weaknesses, and make sure you put them in position to succeed depending on what the depth looks like. So I'm curious to see. At some point, you want the commanders to turn things around.

Obviously, new ownership, new management, new coach coming in. So, I mean, it's a good thing for them as long as they figure out what to do and figure out what to do early so you can contend in that NFC with the Eagles, with the Cowboys, and you're not finishing last. Would you like to see Ron Rivera as DC for the Cowboys? Because that's his background. as DC for the Cowboys? Because that's his background?

Or do you think, do you like Al Harris? Al Harris was a defensive back coach for the Cowboys. Would you like to see him elevated? I'd like to see Al elevated. I don't think Ron Rivera really fits that, I don't want to call it a circus, but Ron Rivera seemed a little bit more subdued i i don't think he wants the pressure that comes with having to play under

the umbrella of someone like jerry jones and i i just i i don't think he fits you know what what they have to offer that's that's just my my opinion that's my opinion and knowing ron and and and his calm nature his calm manner it just doesn't seem like a good fit right uh there are reports coming out that zach wilson relationship with aaron rogers soured it seems like to me zach wilson didn't realize who aaron rogers was it's being being reported that Aaron Rodgers was supposed to be the mentor to Zach Wilson. Aaron Rodgers was going to play. Zach Wilson was going to learn how to be a

professional, how to play the position under Aaron Rodgers for two years, preferably two, and then step in and he'd be ready to go. But seemingly, once Aaron Rodgers got got hurt the mentorship stopped well it didn't look like that to me on the sidelines there was constant communication you know coming it going i mean coming in and out as far as you know with them is from what i've

seen you know i've been a huge zach zach wilson supporter through the ups through the downs uh regardless and i've always paid attention to his body language. I've paid attention to Aaron Rodgers, who is really not his job. You know how veteran quarterbacks are. It's not my job to babysit. It's not my job to coach, you know, understanding that he's here to take my job or whatever it may be. But he seemed to support really well, you know, from what I could see from the naked eye, obviously, from what I could see from the naked eye, obviously from what I could see from the TV copy. But I'm not sure how real this report may be.

Obviously, it might be smoke and bears to me. I'll be your mentor as long as there's no chance for you to play. Why would I mentor you, get you ready? You play extremely well. Then why you need me next year but that's not gonna happen not in this situation so let me based on based on name based on name and based on money paid you know that's not gonna happen even even if you did If Zach Wilson would have played well, let's say Zach Wilson go out there and play like Jordan Love or play like CJ Stroud. Why would I bring a 40-year-old quarterback back and not this 23-year-old? I, you know what? I think Jesus could have been at the helm Mary who had a little lamb could have

played quarterback for the Jets and it would have been exactly the same way yeah but but but Aaron Roger wasn't saving him so hypothetically speaking was Zach having a good year it just it it wasn't it wasn't gonna it wasn't going to happen. And that's no disrespect to any of the just players and just, so he, was he going to, was he going to stay? You call it, you call it. So was he going to mentor Zach Wilson like he did Jordan Love? Was he going to mentor him like that? You know, we don't know. We don't even know how that situation went,

but Jordan, Jordan Love was good boy. Jordan, Jordan Love was good, boy. Jordan Love was good. Jordan Love is one of those. Guess who else knew he was good? Who, Brett Favre? Aaron Rodgers. Oh, yeah. He knew. He knew.

He knew his time was coming. It's funny. It's funny how GMs noticed that. How Andy Reid saw Patrick Mahomes, how whoever the owner or management is of the Packers saw Jordan Love and just knew, you know what, we got to take him. I keep telling you, it doesn't matter if it's a relationship or not. They will tolerate you until they can replace you.

How long am I going to pay you $50 million and you give me your butt to kiss? You keep taking shots at me. Why? Why do I need, why do, why do you, my grandfather used to tell my aunts this all the time.

He say, don't grumble and stay. Grumble and leave. He say, don't tell me, he say, don't tell me what an sob i am in my house tell me what sob i am at your house so aaron rogers you so unhappy don't take my 50 million

and complain and talk about you want to retire i don't know if i'm gonna retire i don't know how long i did there uh i don't know a lot of people didn't want me to have success here. Right. Man, you know what? Even if Jordan, sometimes Ocho, even if the, even if the person that's replacing the lady that you have or the guy that's replacing the man that you had is better off because it gives you a peace of mind and you don't feel like you have to constantly kiss somebody but to be in their life come on there aaron rogers is the type of dude that wants you to constantly kiss his butt to be in his life and the packer says no no no no enough enough of this because we got somebody i don't know if they thought Jordan Love would play this well but I know they had had it up to here with Aaron Rodgers

because they had just gone through the same thing with Brett Favre and when Brett Favre went and met him it didn't help him my grandfather always said Ocho if you're not careful you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person. Now, you tell me what it is you despise the most in a person.

And if you're not careful, you will become that very thing. Now, you tell me if Aaron Rodgers was not upset with the way that Brett Favre treated him and what did he become? The very thing that he despised the most. Hey, somebody coming after your job. You understanding somebody's coming after your job, the way you feed your family. Coming after them game checks, you know, everything starts to decrease. The pressure starts to increase. You don't have as much leverage.

You don't have as much leeway for the mistakes. You are what you believe you are. He can't see me. If they move, if they move, hey, it's well within their right to move on. It's a cheaper option. But if you say, okay, we're going to put the job up.

And I understood well. I talked to Ozzie when they drafted Tom Heat in the first round. Okay, my job is to get him ready. But if Ozzie would have said, hey, hey boy, we we're gonna put the job up and whoever win the job that's who's gonna play todd he couldn't beat me out for that job are you high do you understand who i was and what i thought i could what i knew i could do

man come on i got no problem hey ozzy hey when you drafted the guy in the first round let me get him ready to play because i know my time is up at the end of the year. And I'm OK with that because you gave me an opportunity to come here for two years. I won a championship. You let me have some influence in the locker room. I'm forever grateful for that. So I don't look at it. Oh, man, bro, I just went to the Pro Bowl. I led the tight end in receptions. How are you going to go drop the tight end? Bro, I appreciate the money.

What you did these two years is now you financially secure my kids and they kids and college life. I'm forever indebted for that. See how you understand. See how you understood what happened when they drafted Todd Heap in the first round? How do you think Brett Favre felt when they drafted Aaron Rodgers? You already know it's coming. You already know it's coming. What happened when they drafted Jordan Love?

Aaron Rodgers was what? Upset? Through a fit? He was mad? So what did they have to do? Show me the money. Because they knew Jordan Love wasn't ready. Right away.

Now look at him. The goddamn man, Jordan Love, mannerisms, body language, arm mechanics, the way he throws. Look just like Aaron Rodgers. Just like him. Throwing off the back foot. Just like Aaron Rodgers. Just like him. Throwing off the back foot.

Man, all the stuff you're not supposed to do, he's doing. And he has the arm talent to do it. But Ocho, all those. Think about it. The man got four MVPs and been to one Super Bowl. Yeah, that tells you how hard it is to get back. Think about the receivers he's throwing to. Devontae Adams. He's throwing to Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones. Look at the young Devontae Adams.

Look at the young receivers that he had before he left. Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb, yes. Yeah, he has a voice now. So don't make it seem like, oh, he didn't have nobody. Look at that defense. He has a Darius didn't have nobody look at that defense he has a Darius Smith he had Preston Smith he had Kenny Clark

he had some dogs there he had Latimer uh uh what's the guy what's the DB the DB or Green Bay they'll be locking it down Alexander Alexander yeah

yes so let's not pretend That's Alexander. Zaire. Zaire Alexander. Yeah. Zaire Alexander. Yes. So let's not pretend that the Packers were the board of talent doing his tenure because they were not. Right. Right. Yeah, they was on point. They was on point they was on point i think there was always they were always gripes man rogers about the level of talent toward the end of his career the level the level of offensive help that he had at the receiver position outside of davante adams i i remember that i mean i'm sure people in the

chat can remember how about this if you don't you know what the best way to get young receivers on the same page is to show your ass up in OTAs and to work with them in minicamp. That's the quickest way in the offseason. Oh, yeah. So when they got them, tell the people that tell the people that's listening, where was Aaron Rodgers? Where was he?

He wasn't in Green Bay. I don't know where he was, but let's say he wasn't in Green Bay. No. Hmm. You got to put the green bay no you got to put yeah i mean you got to put that little extra work in it sometimes i think quarterbacks might think it doesn't mean nothing you know mini camp i'll see you mini camp you know i'll see you training camp they might think that's enough time but that chemistry you get to build and timing we're receiving is understanding the time and understand

their speed and their movements and knowing when to throw it based on who it is. Yeah, I mean he had Charles Wilson for years he had Clay Matthews Clay Matthews Jr. with a perennial pro bowler

so let's not pretend like the Packers during Aaron Rodgers tenure was the board of talent because we know that they weren't. Yeah, they had, they had some. Cam Newton calls Brock Purdy the 10th best player on the 49ers. He said the team that he said to earn the game changer label, you must be among the top to change, excuse me, to change the game, change the label.

You must be one of the top three players on the team. And Brock Purdy is the 10th best player on his team. People are mad. But on offense, do you think who's better, him or Christian McCaffrey? Come on. Don't do that. Now you know C. Mack is better.

You know that. Now you know. We talk about one of the best left tackles they ever played. Nick Bosa. Don't do that. Whoa. That's that boy now. George Kittle.

George can do. Everything. He is the most complete tight end in football. Everything. The most complete tight end. He a pancake. He a pancake. Your best D in.

And go out there and catch balls. Falls. McCaffrey and catch balls. Falls. McCaffrey, Debo, Trent. And I think this is where Cam, if I had to see it in Cam's mind, I would say he's saying C-Mac, Debo, Big Trent,

Fred Warner, George Kittle, Nick Bosa, Brandon Aiyuk, that's seven. Now, okay, now we Trauk. That's seven. Now, okay. Travarius. Travarius Ward. I said it wrong. Travarius. Okay. Now we get into

Humpnager. He was a pro bowler to safety. Remind you a lot of Troy Palomaro. The way he's all over the field. Dre Greenlaw. Greenlaw. You say a fair one already?

So, I mean, conservative, if you said he's the seventh or eighth best player, I don't think you're going to get more resistance. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I've said it and I'll say it again. Brock Purdy does what they asked him to do very well. If you take Brock Purdy out of that elite, immensely talented offense, would he still be able to put up the same numbers that had the same success and let's say uh uh a team of lesser talent there's nothing wrong with that it's okay and it it's it's okay but what they asked him to do he does extremely well what we haven't seen from bar purdy is seen in play with adversity where he had to make the plays that mattered most when it mattered.

And he did that 17, 17 point deficit. You got to put the team on your back. And he did just that in the air and on the ground. Was Jimmy G elite? Because Jimmy G got this team to the Super Bowl. So with Jimmy, I'm just asking if Jimmy G elite. No, he's a very good quarterback. He got to see to the Superbowl.

He was a beat. Yeah. And so did show up. I said, he was good. So Jimmy G is an elite. Brock Purdy is no, you,

I never said it. I never said it. That's what I'm asking. Do you, do you think he's elite? You think no, no, I mean,

elite to me is doing what he did this year and being able to do a consistent my it's only a second year that was my argument that he couldn't become elite i just said that he's not currently elite right right he can be he can be if if but this is the problem what's gonna happen when they start taking those pieces away from him right Right now, he's on a team-friendly deal. What happens when you command that kind of money and you can't have the superstars that you have around you? Like before, where the onus of success and responsibility is on your shoulders. We have to do what Patrick Mahomes does. We have to do what Josh Allen does. But you have to do what the Joe Burrows do.

We have to do what Lamar Jackson do. Where it's more pressure on you to put forth the output of production it's it's a little different we don't have as much talent around you yeah i'm i'm just saying but he is good he is good he's better than they thought because they thought he would be this they wouldn't have taken him with the last pick in the seventh round they took him and taking him They would not have traded all those picks. They could have stood where they were. They would have had all those first round picks and they could have took him when they were,

I think there were 12. So they could have stayed at 12 and got him there if they thought he was going to be this. They didn't know. Right. Yeah. Listen, sometimes you go to the right place. He's in a great, listen. Sometimes you go to the right place, you go to the right place he's in a great listen time you go to the right

place you go to the right situation timing is everything timing is and we've seen we've seen cow dial it up we saw him one game with cj banter we've seen him win games with nick mullins obviously he got to the how many uh nfc championship games he got to the... How many NFC Championship games he got to with Jimmy G? I mean, the man, Jimmy G, he won an NFC Championship game with Jimmy G throwing eight passes. And he had a 10-point lead late in the game in the Super Bowl with Jimmy G.

Yeah. Listen, the Shanahan has is an offensive wizard similar to that of Andy Reid their creativity is unmatched unmatched

unmatched he got a mind like his dad everything is set up off the run game. They go into the game understanding they need to run the football because everything they do is set up off play action. And they're going to run the football. Now, they're a different

run team than what we were. But everything is predicated off that. The stretch, the toss. His mind, his creativity in the offensive end as far as the passing game that, the stretch, the toss. His mind, his creativity in the offensive end as far as the passing game, the setup off the run game, the second to none.

He's special in that aspect. And like I said, I've known Christian McCaffrey since he was two. I've known Kyle since he was 12. I think everybody's seen the picture with him sitting in my lap. That was at the Super Bowl. That's Super Bowl 33 when we're down in Miami.

And so that's how long I've known C-Mac. Hey, that's when that's not when Eugene Robinson got in trouble. That's exactly the Super Bowl. That's exactly the Super Bowl. I remember that. I remember that.

He had his man of the year trophy. Say, hey, sit that thing in the back, girl, and get on in here. I just played easy to that. My homeboy responds to critics mocking his dad buying. Patrick Mahomes saw all the chatter about his dad buying online after the NFL posted a locker room clip. He said, yo, I didn they have to do me like that? Dad bod season. Like, I got kids.

Are you surprised by his dad bod? The worst, the worst, the worst, the bad of the body on the quarterback, the better he is. The bad of the quarterback, the worst, when you see a quarterback and his stomach going in one direction and his ass going the other, that's the guy I want to play for. That's why I want him on my team, Mojo. I don't want no guy all ripped up like

he a DB or wide receiver. That ain't what you need. And obviously the dad bod gets it done. The dad bod gets it done on first down, third down, second down. Hell, he even get it done on first down third down second down hell he even get it done on fourth down obviously you know what you get so regardless of the bill it actually means nothing

you want to you want a guy with a booty do his stomach stick out farther than his booty do when you get one of them guys on top you go yeah the real the real man and that he is The real deal. Yeah, man. And that he is. The real deal. Hey, I forgot who it was. Somebody say Patrick Mahomes, scramble and run like it hurts. Yeah. Like, hey, he can't really open up because he got to go number two. Right. And if he open up, he going to drop one on the field.

Right, right, right, right. So he like. Uh-huh. Ooh. Oh, man. Hey, but that joke will be picking one and putting him down now. Oh, yeah. He's going to move now. You remember last year the Super Bowl against Philly but that's going to be picking up and putting him down now. Oh, yeah. You remember last year in the Super Bowl against Philly?

That long run? Yeah, he took off in the middle. He was gone. Got gone on him. So they be sleeping on him. But I'm not surprised quarterbacks look like that because they don't need all that muscle. They need fluidity.

Me, I can't do all that because I don't need all that muscle they don't they need fluidity me i can't do all that because i got too i'm too i'm too bulky up here they need flu yeah they need a fluid throwing motion they need to be able to twist the turn that's why they're great at golfing the quarterback because they don't they don't have that they don't have that that tightness they don't have all them tight muscles. That's why they can swing them clubs. That's why, Ocho. So, I don't...

Most of their stuff is band work. Because, like I said, they don't need all this chest. They don't need all these shoulders. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. They need flexibility to be able to throw, you know, whether you're left or right hand, but you need to be able to turn that thing over.

So I don't have no problem with his body looking like that. It works. The question is... It works for him. Listen, that's God-given. That's what God gave you. You ain't got no choice but to make it work. If you got a dad bod, you

can't change that. But let me ask you a question. How many times we see guys come in that thing, look like Tarzan, play like James? And can't, boy. Couldn't play dad in a horror movie. I'm talking about yoked up. They muscles got muscles. Everybody got the look.

Sometimes, you know how people pass the eye test until it's time to get on the field? Uh-uh. I don't even know why you here. I don't even know why you showed up. test until it's time to get on the field. Uh-uh. I don't even know why you're here. I don't even know why you showed up. Go ahead and go back to the weight room. Go back to the weight room. That's not going to help us. And so, like I said, I mean, some of the guys,

like, you look at a guy like, bro, what? And then the guy that's built bad, balling. Balling out like crazy. But like I said, quarterbacks, the Mannings, your Bradys, your Elways,

your Marinos, your Montanos, go back and look at them guys without their shirts. All of them look the same. Not one definition. The only definition they got is in the dictionary that's in the back in the office. That's the only definition they got. But boy, hey, you're talking about spinning that football.

And that's all that matters to me. I don't care about all the muscles and stuff. Are they functional? Because at the end of the day, can you function with them? Can you catch? Can you run? Can you tackle? Can you spin?

Okay, yeah. That looks good. They look good. But you ain't on the beach, bro. Because people like, hey, people used to see me in the gym and say, well, man, I don't never see you doing curls. I said, what the hell?

I ain't trying to pull nobody to me on the field. I'm trying to push them up off me. I don't need no big muscle to pull my woman to me. She, hey, she buck 35, buck 45. She easy. A dude that's too sad. I ain't pulling him nowhere. I'm trying to push his ass down. Get him off of me, yeah.

Bro, I do stuff that's functional that's going to help me on the field. I need functional muscles, Ocho. I need stuff that's going to be able to fire on the football field. I'm doing cool. What I'm going to do on the field, what I'm'm currently how much do the football wait

that's that's another thing that's another thing that's good for a lot of players are understanding the stuff that you do in all season needs to be stuff that's predicated for the position you play and that's going to help you yes that's going to help you with what you're doing on the field i see a lot of people do all these drills especially receivers dbs y'all do all this stuff that doesn't translate to the field you know it just it's pretty it's not going to help you you got damn tyreek you got tyreek in front of you you're doing all this crazy stuff as a db that ain't gonna work that ain't gonna cut it practice what practice what you're gonna do and just do it full speed just do it full speed on your own uh do you want your quarterback to have dad by dad by season says 62 percent

uh no said 38 you do knows you do realize i i'm trying to figure out I mean what they think them dad what them guys that's all yoked up gonna do at quarterback look good in GQ?

because there are no quarterbacks in the NFL that are yoked up think about it everybody look like they have the dad bod

every quarterback that I've ever seen the only I'll just say the only quarterback that I've ever seen with abs was Cam he's the only quarterback I've ever seen. The only quarterback that I've ever seen with abs was Cam. He's the only quarterback I've ever seen. You know who else?

Anthony Richardson. I've never seen him. My guy, we'll probably bump into him. He rocked up now. But in my years, and I've been around the NFL with my brother since 1988 to here we are now and and and almost what's that almost 40 years i've never seen a quarterback other than

cam new with abs no that's it that's it and it was it was it worked for him and he was functional based on right what he was able to do. But he needed to be a little bit more muscular because of the type of offense that he was in and the type of hits. Right. He was taking his style of play as well. He running quarterback power. Man, he had a damn body.

He going to get his ass broke up. Mm-hmm. running quarterback power. Man, he had a damn buy. He gonna get his ass broke up. So obviously you understand the type of offense that you're running and what's gonna work. Right. Hell yeah. But I think a look

and when I saw that ooh but I'm like okay because if you just cut it out I'm like okay he a lineman I mean he a quarterback I mean you can look at some guys like oh yeah you play quarterback because normally they're going to have bodies like that and they're going to have shoulders

they're going to have no definition at the top of the shoulders because they don't do things to work that to build caps and to build delts, rear delts, side delts, things like that anything to grow because that't going to have no definition at the top of their shoulders because they don't do things to work that, to build caps and to build a delt, rear delt, side delt, thing like that, anything to grow because that's going to inhibit their throwing motion. And they don't need that. So, is it going to work?

I'd say you could probably tell every position just by looking at football players. If you've never watched a game ever before, but you understand the positions and the build of certain players, you can look at them and just tell exactly what they play. You could tell receivers. You might get confused with DBs because the build is normally the same. Obviously you're going to allow,

you're going to know linemen. You're going to be able to tell safeties and you're going to be able to tell linebackers. Yeah, for sure. So that's a... Like I said, hey, sometimes people just like, you think, okay,

play great, great bond. Mm-mm. It don't work like that because it doesn't work like that in basketball. Because look at Nikola Jokic. No. The only cut he got on him is somebody nicked him, cut him with some fingernails or something. That's the only

cut he got. And be cooking for him. Look at Luka. And be cooking for him. Yeah. And Luka got a dad, bro. And be cooking for him. Cooking, yeah. I don't know why. I don't watch much basketball, but when I watch Luka play... You watch that 73 that he got

the other night? Yeah. It looks like he's moving in slow motion, but the moves he's done is doing is they work. Like there's no suddenness to his movement. Like, you know, when Westbrook says, you know what, I'm driving to the hole and he gone. Like there's no suddenness or quickness. It's just everything is real, real methodical. And it fucking works. If you were impressed by Joel Embiid's 70,

you'd have really been impressed by Luka because Luka shot 81%, which was the highest percent ever in a 70-plus point game. The dude took 33 shots. How many free throws? I think it was 15 or 16. That's it. That's it?

He was like 24 or 33? I think it was 15 or 16. That's it. That's it? He was like 24 or 33. I think he was 24 and had 73. Wait, who did they play? Okay. But I was like, you tell me. I'm asking questions like I know what the hell I'm talking about. They're in the NBA, right? That's what you tell me when I say, well, who do they play?

That's the top 1%. Oh, yeah, yeah. who do they play that's the end of it that's the top one percent oh yeah yeah i do you doing that but a lot of a lot a lot a lot of people always say i mean i said something about players scoring a lot of a lot of points in today's basketball game the first thing everybody say well they don't play no damn defense anyway he was like 24 33 right I think he missed nine shots. That's crazy. Because he's like 81%. I think that's 81%. Which was the highest in a 70-plus point performer.

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