Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Joe Burrow not enough, Patrick Mahomes poor play, Lamar struggles vs. Steelers

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers taking it down to the wire with Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills handing Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and the Kansas City Chiefs their first loss since Christmas 2023, Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers beating Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens without scoring one touchdown and much more!03:13 - Show start03:41 - Intro05:00 - Chargers v Bengals21:18 - Bills v Chiefs32:10 - Steelers v Ravens51:16 - Jets v Colts1:03:39 - Detroit v Jags(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So this quantities are limited. So please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Oh Joe, as I mentioned earlier, the Chargers won their fourth straight game by defeating the Bengals 34 to 27. J.K. Dobbins ran a touchdown in late. I'm not so sure if they tried to stop him or they let him score, wanting to get the ball back with an opportunity

to do what they did at the end of the game, Ocho, which was throw the ball into the end zone with a chance to tie the game or go for two and win the game But it was batted down at the end Joe burrow 356 yards three touchdowns. He was 28 of 50 356 zero touch three touchdowns zero interception He was saying three times and they ran the ball decent Ocho 25 attempt for 110 yards

But they ran what 70 more plus 70 plays to like 58. Um, they ran substantially more plays had time of possession was in their favor. But the thing that I hate so much for Joey B is that he knows he's gotten to score touchdowns. Yeah, give his defense credit. Oh, Joe, for the most part in the second half, they held him to three points until that final drive in which they gave up a touchdown. And I'm not so sure they didn't let him score because they wanted time on the clock,

didn't want them to bleed the clock down, kick a walk off field goal without Joe Burrow having an opportunity to touch the football. But the defense played better in the second half, but it's hard to spot teams Ocho 21 points in this league and then track them down. Yeah. To Bingo's credit, they tried to come back and make a ball game.

Ocho, you're up against it now. You're really up against the gun right now with a four and seven record. And you still have two games against the Steelers and the Steelers are better, are much better than we previously thought, Ocho. Um, but this game right here, the charge is 34, the bingo's 27. Ocho, what did you like and what did you like? I mean, what I didn't like is that I didn't like the first half. I don't I don't like the fact that we're still starting the same way we've been starting since week one.

We start slow. We allow ourselves to put ourselves in a goddamn hole and have to climb out of that hole because our offense is somewhat of a juggernaut. If we are good as we are, if we if we are good as we are in the second half of football game, defense, defense, obviously they did what they needed to do in the second half. They give us the opportunity to come back in the game and do what we need to do to make it a competitive, make it a competitive game. And at some point maybe take the lead or maybe tie the game.

But in the first half, when we get down into the red zone, the field goals is killing us, baby. Yes. I'm the fear the field goals is killing us, man. And I'm looking at the TV understanding now when we get into the red area, anywhere, anywhere from the 20 on end, we have to find a way to put the ball in the end zone. We have the defense is struggling to find a way to stop the goddamn charges

in the first half. I'm not to stop the goddamn charges in the first half Yeah, I'm not sure what if what adjustments Lou made in the second half where it gave us opportunity defensively We were able to stop him and hold him to three points But we were able to come back and make it a goddamn game But at that point is no it's not it's it's what's the word I'm looking for Nut cutting time a nut crunching time and we're unable to get it on. And it's too late. We have to start the fucking games a lot faster. You do know that not to put ourself in the goddamn hole with everything in the second

half has to be that much goddamn perfect. Yeah, with the office we have, there's no goddamn reason man to be able to spot a team 21 points and be able to come back in a game when you really shouldn't be able to if you spot a team 21 points, ain't no way in hell you should be able to come back. Even if, even if the momentum you said always it's about how much you extend and how much grace you give yourself or you give a team. If you've got a 21, 21 point lead, chances of coming back, it should be goddamn slim. but we do have an offense where you can do it

and make it happen, but we've got to start fast. My it's killing me, man. The difference is up and down and so inconsistent offensive. We start so goddamn slow. We do get in the red area. We don't get six points. We get three points and it's killing us. That's that's that's that's really the issue.

And people keep saying and Joe is playing well, but he's got to get the ball in the end zone considering how poorly your defense has been playing because they're they're second to last in red zone touchdown possession. They're giving up 72 percent of the drives when they team get the ball to red zone. They get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, I don't know.

And when you get the ball into the red zone, you kick field goals. I don't know how you win those games. But let me tell you how you got back into the game, because typical in hardball fashion, he started to get the ball into the red zone, you kick field goals, I don't know how you win those games, but let me tell you how you got back into the game. Because typical in Harbaugh fashion, he started to run the ball, and they started, and this bingo started to run blitz. So now they catch Ocho and you get a second and 12. Now they got you playing behind the sticks.

Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument on second and 12, you get five. Okay, now it's third and seven. You get another five, which it should be first down, now it's third and two, now it's 30 and seven. You get another five, which it should be first down. Nice 32, nice 30 and three. You see what happened. And so they kept doing that. Bingles know, hey, this hardball, he ain't going to do anything crazy.

He goes to the script, the script. He's going to run the ball on first down. Let's get him with a run blitz. Boom. And they got him. Got him playing from behind the sticks. And then Herbert, I don't know if you if I'm the only one. But as the game's starting to Titans, he started the Titans. And this game was very reminiscent of what we saw against Jacksonville.

They had a 27 point lead. Now, this is a different coaching staff, but he's the same quarterback. And as the game got tighter and tighter, all of a sudden, the throws that he was making in the first half when he's playing loose. Boom, boom, boom. Listen, you don't want to make mistakes, especially as a young quarterback like Herbert, you don't want to put the ball in harm's way when you know a team is coming back or the momentum has shifted in the Bengals' favor. So again, your decision making, it becomes a little bit different as a quarterback as

opposed to being a gunslinger that you were in the first half and taking some of those chances. Well, you're the reason why they're probably coming back because you're not throwing the ball and on third down, you're getting the ass off the field as opposed to staying on the field. And yeah, it's difficult. Hey, when a team knows you got to throw the ball, it gets very, very difficult. Now the charges, you know, they're like, okay, let's give up nothing cheap, nothing deep.

We'll make them nickel and dime our way down the field. But what happens when you do that is that you allow the offense to get in a rhythm. You allow Joey B to get into a rhythm with Higgins and with Chase, and now you got your hands full. So, cause when you try to heat him up and when you try to get him off that point, he's already got a rhythm.

Those guys have gotten a rhythm now. And so it's a lot more difficult to try to heat him up and when you try to get him off that point, he's already got a rhythm. Those guys have gotten the rhythm now. And so it's a lot more difficult to try to stop a team once you've allowed them to, uh, to get into a rhythm. And that's the thing I don't understand either. I don't understand how the, the bingles every single game is the same damn thing. We start, they spotting teams 10, spotting teams, 14, knowing, knowing if you spot a team, let's just say for the sake of argument, oh Joe, you spot a team that knowing what your defense is. So even if we're somehow able to finagle our way back in the ball game,

what's the likelihood of our defense is going to be able to stay in path for the entirety? Now the bingo's kicker, they can now make first. He's in his own head. And we're going to talk about this, the same thing with Justin Tucker. He's no longer automatic like he once was from the Pogo or the P.A.T. But the Bengals, Ocho, they got the work cut out for them. They basically got to go six and oh, yeah, we don't have to go six. No, yeah, we don't have a choice.

Joe Burrow came out, you know, two weeks ago and said we had to win seven of the last nine. Well, you done lost two. Yeah. My point exactly. We done lost two of those already. So now, I mean, if there's a team that can do it, listen to me real quick and chat, chat for those of you that are watching right now. If there is a team that can do it offensively from an offensive standpoint, schematically,

tactically, it is them the way they're built offensively. But we got to be able to start the game fast. You got to put the player in an advantageous situation. You know, you just can't play with your office, right? Get it done. Yeah, listen, we I know I know to finish that you can't say we can't play with offense, but Joe has to overcome the bad play on defense. He has to overcome them having lulls,

different lulls in the first half of the game. We don't have a choice. Oh Joe, you just gave up 34. You gave up 41. You gave up 38. Man, come on, man. I know what you're saying. I know what you're gonna say. know what you're going to say.

There's nothing I could do. There's nothing I could do. I'm just saying from the outside and as a fan, as a fan, as a fan of the angles and as a fan of the game of football in general, the only way the Bengals are going to be able to win games, the offense has to overcome bad defensive play, the offense is going to have to overcome the little spells in and the spells in the first half and the spells in the second half.

You're gonna have to extend, extend not plays, but the score line and be able to play from ahead and try to extend that lead as much as possible depending on when that defense decides to have those lows. I'm just trying to figure out. If your team- They gotta damn near play perfect, man. Whoa, whoa they play perfect man. Whoa whoa before we go any further they gotta play perfect.

Chat before we go any further if your team didn't win today I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Come on man don't do that come on man. All I do about Broncos one. Come on man. Broncos one. You see the Broncos hang 38 on them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Oh, oh, I'll be what I tried to tell you with this Okay, y'all look like I said you still got the Steelers twice yeah, you got the Bengals twice that's four games I don't know who to have outside of that. Because I, you say we got the Bengals twice, but you say there's no Browns. Y'all got the Browns twice. Y'all got the Steelers twice. That's four. You only got, you only got six games left. Yeah,

man. They only picked Brown once. So they got the Browns once again at home. Steelers, Cowboys. Steelers, Cowboys. Steelers, Cowboys. Okay. Oh, y'all got the Broncos too. All right, well, listen, I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, it's up to Joe Burrow and Ed Alphrow and that offense man is up to Zach Taylor.

If we want to win these next, what six games, I believe, I, you know what? Don't show. Hold on. Talk to me. Wait, hold on. Before you say anything, before you, before you say anything, talk to me. Nice. Now.

Okay. Talk to me. Nice. You got, hold on. Are they only, so they got the Steelers on the, on, on the 1st of December. So that's in two weeks Right. Yeah. Yes, sir. Don't so dig your guys go on about Joe. So you got the Steelers at home You're at the Cowboys you're at the Titans. Those should be wins. You should be able to beat the Browns

It's gonna come down. I believe your season gonna hang in the ballot. Can you beat the Steelers? Last game of the season at the on January 5th in Pittsburgh? I think that's what it's gonna come down to. I truly believe that's what it's going to come down to. I think for us as a team offensively and defensively, Lou will be able to get some type of game plan, some type of, some type of, um, I don't even know. I didn't even know at this point, cause we're on, we, the season is almost over. So we shouldn't be having these issues defensively. Now again, we played very, very well to allow the offense to be able to get back into the game simply because like you did say to pick it off, what you said,

having the charges plan from behind the sticks, making it a little easier, putting the ball back in the office, the hand back in the office, his hand, allowing him to do what they need to do. But the office that we saw in the second half, it would have come back from 21.8 is what we need from beginning of the game. From the start of the game. I'm not sure what the difference is in the second half from, from, from the first, but whatever we did in the second half, we need to start the game like that. Don't throw the goddamn kids to sink at the mofos.

I don't know. If you all will be the Steelers in the first game in December, it's over for you. Yeah, you got to see it like that. I don't know what not not not. I. Like to talk nice to me. Man, I don't know what's going on with your Wi-Fi. What's going on with your Wi-Fi? It ain't working?

It keeps fading in and out. Do you get the, cause they give you two types. You can pay the extra $15 and get the super high-fi. Or you can get the the run of the mill. Can you see me? Yeah, we see you, but it's your audio that keeps fading in and out. Oh, man.

Damn. See, I don't like when I be in these hotels where you want me to try to get that, get the better, better wife. I want to keep going. What or you want me to keep going? What you want me to do? Well, you probably should have got that from the beginning, but we learned lesson learned moving forward. Justin Herbert now has 15 game winning drives in his career. Only Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins have more since 2020

when Herbert entered the league. I guess somebody wrote a text from an NFC a NMCJM, the amount of regret that teams have for not hiring Jim Harbaugh when they had the chance. It's very real. Ocho, will Jim Harbaugh be the best thing to have happen to Herbert in his career? Absolutely. Absolutely. You have to understand.

I see Harbaugh similar to a Dan Campbell. I see Harbaugh similar to that of a, uh, a Deion Sanders. You go somewhere and the places that you do go, not only do you turn the franchise or the program or the organization around that you're with, the quarterback that you're attached to also has success. Being better with the ball, offensively. Being able to process information

and make sure you play it a way where you always give your team the best chance to win the game. Which is why I think you saw what you did in the second half with him not making the desperation throws, which allowed the Bengals to come back in this game. The goddamn charges and hole in its totality, they look completely different with a few different pieces defensively, but the defense looks different. The offense looks different. Quinn Johnson, young brother, I salute you.

Young brother, I salute you. Your confidence is there. You look like a completely different receiver today. I'm not sure if hardball has anything to do with that, but I'm sure what he's brought to that culture and that winning mentality has changed everything about that team. That's including the players and their play. about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to

my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart Radio app, The Bills hand the chief the first loss of the season. Josh Allen rushes for late touchdown on fourth down. I don't know what the chief was thinking. They know they're going to put the ball in Josh's hand and he's going to run it. He's going to run it. That's what he's done every time against the Kansas City Chief. When they get to fourth down, they get to 31.

That's what you're supposed to do. Put the ball in your best player's hand and let him do what he does. But the Bills put up 30 points against the Kansas City's defense that hadn't allowed more than 30 points since week four of 2022. Forth Mahone to throw two interceptions. Allen improved the four and one in the regular season over my home. Buffalo is now 92. I have gained back at Kansas City for the best record in the AFC.

Mm-hmm. Look, isn't that, I mean, people, see, the thing that I hate, Ocho, is that, like, when we analyze a critique, a great player, and that's what Mahomes is, he's a historically great player. People's like, well, Mahomes not playing well. And when you say that, people think that you're trying to take away from what he's already done.

No, he's done that. I'm talking about right now. Nobody can end their, even if you were the most ardent, die hardest of Chiefs fans, think Mahomes is playing well. He's not. That doesn't mean, and because he's not playing well, that doesn't mean,

do you believe he can turn it around? Yes. But let's deal with what we need to deal with. Look how many interceptions he had as opposed to touchdowns. Yeah. It's damn near like every game you personally and Mahal is going to turn the ball over at least once, at least once. He's not playing well.

He has not played well this year. He's had moments in which he's played well, but the totality. Mahal used to play clean for the entirety of the game. He would go stretches where he'd have five, six, seven, eight games, and he would be virtually. Impeccable, right now, you hope you can get. Five or six possessions in which he's impeccable, but he's not playing well.

The defense gave up 30, like I said, think about it and see this. What normally happens, you know, it's gonna be a situation on Joe Somebody is gonna put points on your defense. Yeah This is where my homes needed to have that game to go get 31 to go get 34 So that's the question that you're gonna have to ask yourself chiefs fans Follow the NFL. Right. If somebody can have, have a day in which they get up on the chiefs and have

better than normal day against that defense, right. And Patrick Mahomes and this offense out duel and opposing teams office. Yeah. And it used to be a no doubt. It used to be, unless you score 28 or 30 points, you could beat the chief. Right. Well, honestly, if you think about it, and when it comes to the regular season, now the Bills are four and one against the Chiefs. Yeah. But when we talk about that dueling situation where it matters most in Rush coming, coming in and playing his best football in opportune times. It's been in the postseason where they are three and oh, against the bills.

So again, in the regular season, for some reason, the bills have always had success when it comes to playing the cheese. But when it mattered most, when it mattered most in the postseason, passion home has always come on top in those dual games like that. But again, not to take anything away from the Bills and what they did today. Hell, I even I even had the Bills winning. I said, yeah, I think everybody should have. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that people like Mahomes, Mahomes,

but we've never seen Mahomes play stretches like this. That's the difference. Yeah, we know what he is. We know what he's done. But we haven't seen him play like this. We haven't. He had he had worthy wide open and he throws and leaves him out of bounds. He leaves them up to feel as a touchdown. It's plays like that that he used to never miss.

And now more more is more routine to see him miss those throws than make those throws, which is very uncommon. It's something that we're not used to seeing. The Bills mounted five scoring drives of at least eight plays and 60 yards. Four of those plays ended on a touchdown and one ended on field goal. So five of the six drives of at least eight plays

and 60 yards ended in scores. Four TDs, one field goal. Josh Allen was 27 to 42, 62, one touchdown, one INT. They ran the ball 31 times for 104 yards. James Cook had two touchdowns and it was Josh Allen that sealed it, laid on the fourth down, 26 yard run. Patrick Mahal, I mean, look at it, 23 of 33 for 198.

Has Patrick Mahal's have a 300 yard game this year? He might have one. Yeah, maybe one. But again, you know what else that comes into? What? It makes it that much more difficult coming off a Super Bowl champion. I mean, coming off a Super Bowl win,

everybody targeting you. Yeah, for sure. Everyone has studied you, all your tendencies, everything you like to do. They studied your offense, they studied your quarterback. So it makes it that much more difficult. Yeah. For Patrick Holmes and that offense.

And the people have game plan and prepared to play you. So I think things are a little bit more difficult for them. And that's on Andy Reid. They continue to do what he does and being as creative as possible to the team that you're playing off. Because they're a little bit better prepared. Yeah.

But give Buffalo credit. Buffalo Buffalo is playing extremely well. Josh is playing. He's running. Hey, you look at six foot five, six, six, two, fifty, two, fifty five. And he can run. And he's a low. And once he once he opens up, up man who's trying to tackle him. DBs ain't trying to tackle that man.

So bad, bad, bad, please. And, uh, but he's playing well. He throw the ball back. I mean, he's had what consecutive game three consecutive games. I'm not mistaken turning the ball over, but he didn't turn it over when they was in the red zone. Cause a lot of times they would get in trouble. He was throwing picks in the end zone.

He was throwing the ball in the red zone and he was taking potential points off the board, even though any drive could end up in points, you know, but when you throw the ball in the end zone and it gets turned over, you know, you're already in field goal range. Um, but. Hey, uh, if I told you to quarterback has thrown in 11 games, the 10 games have thrown for 2,400 yards. He has 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

What would you say, Ocho? They probably losing. Thank you. If you don't put, if you don't put the name, if you don't put the name and you just say the stats in general. Yep. Losing team. Whoever it is is playing very bad. Yep. Very bad. The fact that it looks like that on

and they're still nine and one, that says a lot about the player in general also as well. He's only had two games this season in which he has not thrown an interception. Yeah. Okay. Two games. How many 300 yard games has he had? He has one against the saints.

Yeah. Okay. Dang. Came close against the, uh, the Ravens. He had two 91 and then against the Bengals, he had one 51, two 17 against the Falcons, two 45, three1 against the Saints. He had 154 against the 49ers, 262, 291, 266, 196. His completion percentage is off the chain.

But that we understand why, because they run a lot of smokescreens. They run a lot of screenplay. They lot a lot of shallows, a lot of spots. So it's not like before where he was pushing the ball down the field like he used to. We understand the offense changed substantially once they lost Tyreek. They found a new way to get the ball down the field. They're not as explosive as they once were. Right.

As long as you win, you win. But you make it very, very difficult when you turn the ball over. And even as great as your defense is, you keep turning it over, they eventually are going to crack. Yeah, most definitely. They're going to crack. But give Buffalo credit. Let's not take anything away from them.

They played really, really well today. They got some big time plays. Coop had a couple of big catches. Shakira came up. Samuel played really well, had came up some, uh, some key third downs, but, uh, the bills win and move within a half game of Kansas city for the number one seat in the AFC, the bills fans hang a Kermit the frog puppet.

And if I'm not mistaken, I'll show they had a 15 on his Jersey. Oh Joe, what do you think about this? I mean, listen, this is an ongoing thing with them making fun of, fun of. Mahomes voice. Mahomes because of his voice, because of how he talks and comparing him to Kermit. I think it's been ongoing. I think Mahomes has addressed it.

And I don't think it really doesn't really bother him. But I understand the whole thing. They've won. But again, they might, those Beills fans might want to be cautious. This isn't just the regular season because when it matters most we're goddamn Patten-Holmes is 3-0 against you know the Bills the Bills and their fans. We're gonna see he gonna remember that. He gonna remember that so you know kudos to the Bills. I mean kudos to their fans. I had the Bills winning winning this game and Josh Allen Man, young man young boy is the real deal man. He's a real deal

I actually did have a turnover and he has been turnover prone in the past and I think that's been his Achilles heel but this year he's been he's been protected the ball for the most part extremely well this season and I think they're gonna they're gonna go far. go far. They're going to go over, they're going to go really, really, really far. It's this year. You, you, you like, you like Buffalo better this year than in previous years? Oh, absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. The fact that not only is Josh Allen playing well, he's not a turnover machine as he once was, he's not relying on the, on his arm strength to squeeze, ball, squeeze ball in places where he shouldn't be trying to throw it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So he's, he's improved on that. And for the fact that he's not a turnable machine right now, I had the bills going much further as opposed to they have in previous years.

Lamar can't get it done. He couldn't beat, can't beat the Steelers again. Oh Joe, the Lamar Jackson Steelers, Russ, the Steelers beat Baltimore 1816. It's just been difficult for the Ravens to overtake the Steelers when Lamar continues to struggle against them. Now, you know, the fans don't come out there and say, well, he ain't got no receivers and he ain't got this. They're going to blame Todd Monkin for the call because it ain't Lamar played bad and he's played bad more routinely than not when he's faced the Steelers.

I have a question. Yes. So about to the Raven Steelers game. Yes. Answer this for me. Yes. How many times did Derek Henry carry the ball today? They read Derek Henry had 13 carries. They had the ball. They ran the ball 19 times for one twenty four. Lamar Jackson threw the ball 33 times for 207 yards. Now we go back and look Cleveland.

What was the ratio? But y'all don't wanna be, y'all ain't, but see when we try to tell you your recipe to make a great dish that everybody in Baltimore and Maryland and surrounding counties gonna love, we hate, but y'all keep doing it this way. But anyway, let me finish this on Joe. The reigning MVP is now one in four against the Steelers

after completing just 48% of his passes, 16 to 33, which does not include a desperation toss on a failed two point conversion. Justin Tucker missed two field goals. He missed field goals from 47 and 50 yards in the first quarter, which marked the first time since 2022 that he's failed to convert on back to back attempts.

Tucker has now missed six field goals this season. Last season, he only missed five. Tucker said the playing surface wasn't ideal. Tucker, how many years have you kicked in Pittsburgh? Every time, name a time, this time of year that the Steelers playing surface is ideal. What we've seen from Tuck is that he's no longer automatic, Ocho.

Yeah. Kicks from 55 and in, they were money. Yeah. He could kick on the moon, he could kick in Pittsburgh, he could kick in Denver, it did not matter. But now, that's no longer the case. Cause now what was, if the game was closed and you put it on the foot of Tuck,

Tuck was gonna handle it. What did they do first game? They played, who did the Ravens play? The 49ers? Open the night? No, the Ravens played the Kansas City. Give me y'all to start. Let's see what the run ratio, the pass ratio. Because they've lost, how many games have the Ravens played the Kansas City. Give me the other start. Let's see what the run ratio, the pass ratio,

cause they've lost, how many games have the Ravens lost? Four now, right? They've lost four. Let's see the ratio run pass. We know they lost when they passed the Baltimore against Cleveland and the Pittsburgh. Let's see the other two losses, if the run ratio, what it was.

Probably the same. But we're going to find out cause I want to speculate. Let's, let's get this right because you know, Ocho, they want us to be perfect. So let's make sure we're perfect. Cause somebody goes say, okay, no joke. They did blah, blah, blah. So we're going to make sure we got it right. Let's see what, let's see what the ratio is.

You do know if tuck, if tuck makes one of those field goals, the Ravens win the game, right? Well, if that's the same, if Steelers cash, one of those red zone possessions, you know, they win the game. Right. So it's, we do it hypotheticals. Right. What do you kick six field goals from the red zone?

Six field goals. Oh, exactly. Steelers game without scoring a touchdown. Yes. In real life, this ain't no video game. Hey, they got them defense, but they know they were playing some ball like they're 32 of them running plays. They had 72.

So that means 74. So that means the other 40 was throwing. OK, so they threw it more against Kansas City, right? They ran it. They lost. They threw it more against the Steelers than they ran it more against Kansas City, right? They ran it. They lost. They threw it more against the Steelers, then they ran it and they lost. They threw it more against Cleveland and they lost. What did they do against the Raiders?

They lost against the Raiders also. I just don't understand how you think 13 carries is enough for Derek Henry. Not even that complicated. Now look, I understand early in the game, it changed the momentum of the game. When Henry Bumble, it looked like they were going in to get points then. And it kind of changed things around. But give it back to him.

Every game in which they lost, they've thrown the ball more than they've won. When they, excuse me, then they've run it. When they run it more than they throw it. Guess what happens though? Joe. They win. They win win they win every time listen we've talked we talked about the recipe for the Ravens for a very long time you know understanding what what it takes for them to win games obviously when that when they do get the deal when they give Derek Henry the ball I say more than 20 I say more than 20. I say more than 20 times a game. They always come out and winning in.

And everyone. I just I just I just don't get it. I just I don't I don't. I don't I don't understand why you have Derrick Henry and you leave and you leave a game and Derrick Henry only has 13 carries and you feel good about that. Mm hmm. The same thing. I mean, he has 13 carries and you feel good about that. The same thing. I mean, he has 16 carries. He has 16 carries.

If I'm, if I'm not mistaken, Ocho against Cleveland, I can't go back off the top of my head. It was 16. The number was 16 against, against, against the Browns. It was 16, but also playing against the Steelers. You know what? I think it also does from, from, for Todd Monkin, I think it scales them away from calling the run plays when the Steelers defense is playing that goddamn.

But I thought you told me you don't let somebody dictate your play. Yeah, you tell me you don't let nobody dictate calling the plans. Yeah, you don't you don't you're not supposed to you're not supposed to but again when things aren't working when things aren't working is not going good. You tend to stray away from it when another team is not allowing you to do what you wanna do.

Oh Joe, we saw this against the Bengals. You remember? Yeah. And over time they give the ball to Derek Henry, what do you do? He ran him to a victory. Yeah. Look, this ain't college where guys average 10 yards a clip every time they touch the ball.

Yes, it's a lot of two yards, one yard, five yards, but you wear down the defense and plus play action. You know, just ask Lamar just to drop back and throw the ball. That's not what he is. Can he throw the ball? Has he got exponentially better? Yes.

But you need to play action off of that because the Steelers are very good. They got a nice scheme. And think about it, rush through an interception in the end zone, don't you? Yeah. They would have got more points. Yeah.

That that should have been a touchdown. You just had to bring it down a little bit. I say, come on. I just I just don't get it. Why the ravers are so hell bent trying to prove that we can throw our way to a victory. At the end of the day, if you hold in the Lombardi, why do you care how you got it?

If you had to run back three plus to win the game or had to block two field goals, who cares? But this is not your recipe for winning. Right. Damn. Hey, but it was a good game though, I can tell you that. Yeah, it was a good, I mean, look, it's a rivalry game. It's gonna be highly contested. I could tell you that. Yeah, it was good. I mean, look, it's a rivalry game. It's going to be highly contested.

It's going to be close. Yes, yes. They turned the ball over three times. You know, I mean, you go on the road, you turn the ball over three times. You probably you probably shouldn't have been in the game. And to begin with, yeah. You probably shouldn't have to be in the game. And based on on what we've seen from the defense, they normally, they gave up 18 points

and they kept them out of the end zone. You know, the Raven teams have been having their way with Ravens in the secondary, Ocho. So give the Ravens credit for standing on their head and keeping them out of the end zone. But this was a very winnable game. This was a very winnable game. This was a very winnable game for the, uh, for the Ravens. Um, and they got, they got to find ways to win games like this.

But I tell you what happened. Yes, sir. They play it like this. Jared golf just sprung board right back into the MVP conversation. I don't know if you saw his game today. I was disrespectful. Okay. Okay.

You saw it too. He just sprung board his way right back into the MVP conversation. You know who also is in there? I don't wanna leave Josh Allen. I don't wanna leave Josh Allen out of that. But you know what's gonna happen? What is?

Lamar Jackson has an off game. He has a game where he doesn't play well today. But what's gonna happen? It's gonna come back next week. And he'll put himself right back in the front runner for that guy. Well, I still believe he's a front runner. I'm just saying that that that Jerry Goss got his way back into it. Oh, because he's coming. Think about it, Ocho.

He threw five picks and they still found a way to win the game. Because what you write last week, because in that final drive, when they needed to get in position, what did he do? He made every throw So now it's much worse you throw five Interceptions that you lose the game when he ended up having the game when he drive, right? So people go like, okay Yeah, he played bad. But when they needed to have something he went and got it for I still believe Lamar's in the front in the front front. I mean, what, uh, he had a touchdown and an interception. So now he has 25, he's 25 and three.

That's still pretty damn good stats. Oh Joe. And there's seven and four. There's seven and four. Um, now golf does have great numbers and they're, they've only lost one game. So can I, can I ask you, I don't mean to do this, but if the bangs were and they've only lost one game. So, go ahead, go ahead. I don't mean to do this, but if the Bangs were winning, Joe Burrow would also be in the MVP discussion. Absolutely, the number of predictors has to be.

Right, I just want to throw that out there. I just want to throw that out there. But y'all know, we dealing with people that are winning, so don't bring that up again. Yeah. Yeah. Wendy, Wendy, come on, chance, say it with me. When they when they when they go and win a game.

When they when they when they go and win a game. When they win, they win. They don't win a game. That's not necessary. You got to do that. Oh, my man. I'm I'm already I'm I'm in my feelings about my bangles, man. And I was hoping we could pull it off today and just, it's like if it ain't one thing, it's another.

If it ain't one thing, it's another, man. God damn. Yeah, it is. I don't know, guys, I don't know if y'all know this, but I used to vote for a decade. I voted for all the awards, all, all pro, uh, defense and offensive player of the year. And I'm just telling how to got, I know there's 50 million women.

I'm just telling how they think y'all can say all that hate is y'all want to. But I'm telling you, Jerry golf won a game in which you threw five picks because he had the game winning drive. And he followed it up today. Did y'all see them drop a 52 piece? Oh Joe, did you realize they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, cause he had the game winning drive. And he followed it up today. Did y'all see them drop a 52 piece? Oh Joe, did you realize they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, kneel down.

Let me say that again. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, kneel down. And I don't know if y'all know it. Y'all make it seem like that man got like five touchdowns and seven touchdowns and five picks. Go check his stats out. And they're winning.

They're the number one seed in the NFC. Yeah. The same thing. Lamar didn't have the greatest numbers last year. He was 24 and eight. Right. With the number one seed. Jared Goff is going to have outstanding numbers and it looks like they're heading for the

number one seed. Number one seed, yeah. Man. Three turnovers, two miss field goals. And it seems like the Ravens played their worst football when they played the F and Steelers. Every time. Every time they play.

Listen, you know, again, the game is not as physical as it once was when we were playing on. So I can't really say it was a two-ten strap game. You got to bring you got to bring your two-10 straps and buckle that motherfucker up. Because obviously the turnover with Derek Henry was somebody coming from the side. It wasn't a hit. You know, like, oh my goodness, he hit him so hard

he fumbled, but it was, I'm not gonna say luck. Just he had the ball and at the wrong opportune time it came out, you know, that's it. And obviously two turnovers, the other two turnovers. You take Justin Tucker. It's a game of inches, Uncle. Justin makes one of those field goals. It makes a difference in the ballgame.

You know, I know it's hypothetical, but it but it makes a difference in the ballgame. That's why when he was automatic, if he was automatically like he once was in in the past. It makes a difference in the game when the offense is sputtering, when the offense isn't playing with. Yes. But you know, except a game is going to be, um, it's not, these games are normally low scoring Ocho.

Even if you score touchdown, it ain't like these games been 35, 30, 35, 34, 41, 38. That's not the type of game. These TVs are, these teams are built on defense. They're bullies. Although Lamar, obviously the Ravens have an MVP and an offensive player of the year and Derrick Henry in the backfield. So there are a lot more explosive

than they have been in the years past. Flowers, and Bateman, and Aguilar, and Likley, and Andrews. They got the, hey, look, they got an offense. There's no excuses for the Ravens this year offensively. There's none, Ocho. There's none. They got Hill, they got Henry, you look. They got two outstanding tight ends.

They got good, they got good receivers. I love Zay Flowers, Bateman, Aguilar, they, hey, Wallace. They got some really, they got, Aguilar, Wallace. They got some really talented and good players. The thing that concerned me was their defense, because I'm still a little shaky on their secondary Ocho. I am, I am, but I got to give them credit today. They kept George Pickens under control.

He had 12 targets, eight catches. Washington had two catches. Harris had four. They ran, kept it really under control, running the football, 34 carries for 1.22. I mean, and the Steelers had what, 72 plays? They ran 72 plays to the Ravens, 52? 55? How many total plays did the Ravens have? I mean, it says Lamar threw about 33 times. They had 19 rush attempts, but you probably have a couple of plays throw away,

penalties. Yeah. So that's 52. So they have 52 to 70, 52 to 70, is it 70? So the Steelers read 18 more plays. 54 to 74. So they still read 20 more. Okay. Are the Ravens their biggest detriment? This is what Lamar said. Absolutely. Okay. Are the Ravens their biggest detriment? This is what Lamar said. Absolutely.

It's been that way every since last year. I believe going back to the L.C. Championship game, we killed ourselves. The cheese game in the over, we killed ourselves. Raider game, we killed ourselves. Today, same thing. We can't keep beating ourselves in these type of games. It's just annoying. What'd you think, Joe?

Yeah, I mean, there ain't no consolation, Joe. You'd be honest with yourself. Oh, Joe. So let me ask you a question. Did this did this did this loss go into the did it go into the did it go into the who got the win, whether the Steelers or yourself? It's still got to win. OK, so you keep saying you beat yourself at the end of the day.

The same thing. It is the same results you lost. So guess what happens to come playoff time if you beat yourself? You're going home because it's not basketball. This is not baseball. That's not a little bit about football so much. Oh, Joe, you get one shot. That's it. One shot. Yeah. And a lot of times the best team doesn't always win.

Is the team that plays the best that day. Yeah. That's why we love football, because we're going to probably get that upset. You're probably not going to get the upset that you would normally get in a series because the better team over seven game series, the better team would normally win. Right. But in one game, in anything can happen.

Right. They gotta find a way to fix these miscues. They gotta find a way to tighten this thing up. They gotta go into the front. Listen, I don't care what anybody says. Derek Henry needs to get the ball more than 13 damn times. Yeah. Period.

More than 13, more than 11. I don't care if Lamar Jackson is going perfect. And we've seen him go perfect. We don't care if Lamar Jackson is going perfect from the end. And we've seen him go perfect. He had a perfect game, what was he like, 17, 18? But look how many carries they give Derrick. You got to give him the ball. That's why you brought him in.

He's not a fancy accessory. He's a necessity, not an accessory. Y'all need to treat him as such. Right. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules,

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worst winning percentage, then Zach Wilson and Sam Darnall in a jet uniform. Winning percentage of starting quarterbacks for the Jets. Zach Wilson, three 64 Sam Darnall, three 42 Aaron Rogers, two 73. The Jets fired Robert Salah when the team was two and three one game. One game out of first place in the AFCs. The team three losses at the time, 49 is five and five, Broncos 65, Vikings eight and two, Denver, Minnesota were one score losses with the Jets offense failing to score on their final possession.

Since they fired Robert Sala, the New York Jets are one and five. So who they going to point to blame that now? I'm just curious. The media, the media, when Aaron Rogers talks, who is he going to blame now? The media. Well, he can't he can't blame Mike Williams, but the media is distinching the building because they've been losing so long and these guys don't understand what it takes to win. He ain't gonna play. He gonna put it on himself now.

Oh, you ain't, oh, you thought he was going to say him? I would hope so. I would think at some point, understanding that you are the leader of that team. That at some point you take accountability, you take accountability for the fact that maybe I'm not playing well, maybe I'm not playing as playing as good as I should be to give us a chance to win. In those moments when it counts most, am I making the throws? Am I making the plays to give my team the best chance to win? You know what?

Right now, I'm not playing well. Not once. Not once have we heard that at all. The numbers speak for itself. M-E-S-S, mess, mess, mess. That's what they need to be shouting. I would go to them with Fire Marshal, it's on one side, I would be on the other side. M-E-S-S, mess, mess, mess.

I just, I didn't run out of people. Now look, you blame yes, yes, yes. I just, I didn't run out of people. Now look, you blame Robert Sala, you blame, what's the coordinator? Hackett, Nathaniel Hackett, you blame Mike Williams. I wanna know who that is. Yeah. I'm just waiting on, I'm just waiting on the roll call. Who next, chat?

Who next, who get blamed? Hey again the funny thing about it is this has been an ongoing issue whether Aaron Rogers was there or not regardless of what quarterback was at the helm regardless of what quarterback was there in that situation the Jets have always had this problem for a very long time for a very long time they haven't had a winning season for a very long time. But I thought, hold on, I thought he found the use. What about that cayenne pepper in water? I thought that was the fountain of the use.

Fountain of use. For that cayenne pepper in water. Hold on. What about, what about when he, you know, hold on, what did he say? You got to embrace the darkness. Right. I thought we embracing darkness. Right. I thought we were on that Hasa Waka or that was a Waka to so or whatever it is You don't have something to get that hot

Hallucinogenic properties in it right it called you to go out of your mind. Maybe you need to take another trip I mean you ain't they got a game next week, but won't you go over? I mean they require You know game, you know, sometimes they're mandatory sometimes they're voluntary So maybe you take a you know, take they're mandatory, sometimes they're volunteer. So maybe you take a, you know, take a volunteer trip, just go away. Right. I mean, three and eight, what'd you think? What'd you think the Jeff record would be without it? If I'm three and eight with him, you don't think I'd go three and eight

without him and save 50 million? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you paying for what you think you're going to get. You're paying for what you think you're going to get from the past and what he's done in the past based on his resume. That's what you're paying for.

But see, that's what I love about sports, Ochoa, because it's the one thing that you require. You update your resume every single week. You got to. Oh, oh, you got this great resume? Oh, it's unbelievable. It's impeccable. Yeah.

Janet Jackson said the best. She said, what have you done for me lately though? But you know what? You know what's funny? You know, they always stand a certain position, grace, when it comes to what they've done in the past. Well, that's what they think. They always extend a certain,

a certain quarter, a certain position. They extend them grace based on what they've done in the past I don't I believe oh Joe. I am a this is how I believe I believe That there's never been a player or a person that's been above reproach I don't give you what you deserve. I give you what you earn He's earned the criticism in which we're leveling against him Everybody knows if you know me, if you follow Shannon Sharp,

for my time on Undisputed, I've been Aaron Rodgers' biggest supporter. Do I think he's arrogant? Yes. Do I think he's flippin'? Yes. Do I think he's condescending? Yes. Do I think he's dismissive? Yes. Do I think he blames others for his mistakes? Absolutely. But I say he's one of the greatest throw of the football that I've ever seen with my own two eyes.

Yeah. And I believe to I believe I can fairly assess. Do I like how he's treated some of the blame others? No. But that doesn't stop me from doing my job and saying, he's a damn good, when he plays well, I have no problem saying Aaron Rodgers has played well for seven and a half years.

But I know, but I've talked to people. I know people, and we're just leaving it at that. But hey, and you're right. A lot of times when someone is so great, you're willing to overlook their flaws. That's a good one right there. And that's what anything is just not with sports. Somebody that's really good or something,

you allow them to do a lot of things that you wouldn't allow somebody else to do right But what I think the thing that I love most about a person about people that have power is them they don't use it John knew John could Mispractice and he could not be at many camps where he could do something Never right never Yeah, but he was able when you blow it off Mm-hmm. See there's see there's a difference

Between being able to influence people and being able to lead people. Now don't let that go over your head now. That's a good one. Let's move on. Let's go. Let's move on. Oh, Joe, because I know we're gonna see her. This was Richardson first game back at the starter. It was a milestone afternoon for the second year quarterback.

He threw for a career high, 272 yards and a passing touchdown and had his best completion percentage in a game where he attempted at least 20 passes. Richardson also added 32 yards and two scores on 10 Russian attempts. Is his first game with multiple Russian touchdowns this week, two of 2023. Today was his first game with three combined touchdowns. If I'm not mistaken, I saw something that says Richardson is younger than Shadour Sanders. He's younger than Beck. He's younger than Cam Ward. He's younger than all the quarterbacks that's playing that's gonna come into the draft, Ocho.

And he's two years in the NFL. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it is. It is. And on top of that, I'm happy. If you can find the answer, I'm happy to ask. I meant to send it to you because. Oh, well, I was reading this thing, Ocho. Right. Chidor is in college.

Yeah. Ham Ward is in college. Beck is in college. Right. This guy's in second year in the league. Yeah. And he's younger than them. How does that happen?

He's younger than Bo Nix. How does that happen? How does that happen? Don's younger than Bo Nix. How does that happen? Don't start me lying. You gotta get me to lie. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Listen, I'm not happy. He's younger than Shadour Sanders, Carson Beck, Dylan Gabriel, Jane Daniels, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, and Michael

Pennings Jr. Okay, I'm confused. How does that happen? He's been in NFL for two years. Okay, I'm confused. How does that happen? He's been in the NFL for two years. COVID, I guess. You know, COVID, you got three extra years. So normally you have five to do four,

and with COVID, you got eight to do five. Right. That's all I got for you, Ocho. I wish I could give you something else, Ocho, to hate so you can sink your teeth into. But that's all right. Right, right, right, right. Right, I really can't bite into that

what you just told me. I can't bite into that. He, he, he, he, he, he. I mean, cause how old is he? How old is he? Like 21? He is 21. He just turned 22.

But you don't you don't pull young man. Yes. Young. I'm glad he played. I'm glad he played. I'm glad he bounced back too. I'm glad he bounced back too. And you know what Ocho?

Maybe that situation where he pulled himself out of the game, he learned. He young. He young. I mean lesson learned. Sometimes O. He young. I mean, lesson learned. Sometimes, Ocho, you just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. That you ain't gotta share everything with everybody. Right, right.

He was a little too honest. A little too honest. He was a little too honest to a fault. Sometimes, it is okay to misspeak the truth if it will save great harm or embarrassment. Yeah. Hey, you know what else I need to do offensively? What you need?

You already know he had a shoulder surgery. He got something lower than that shoulder. Put the other bad shoulder, give him the left. Oh, Joe, I need this one. Forget that part. These are design runs, Uncle. Yeah. They put in harm's way with design runs.

Yeah. Obviously trying to take the ball out of his hands, they put in harm's way with design runs. Yeah, obviously trying to take the ball out his hands and making sure he doesn't, you know, have any turnovers and make sure he protects the ball. They give him design runs. Protect your quarterback a little bit more. Protect him. Protect him a little bit more, please. But Ocho, if he just if he gets

three percent better. Yeah. With the weapons if he just, if he gets 3% better, with the weapons that he has, Pierce and Pittman Jr. and Olly Cox, man, Ocho. Yeah. Cause he got weapons, Jonathan Taylor can run the football. They got a solid offensive line. Now it's not as dominant as it once was, but they're still solid.

Yeah, most definitely. they're still solid. Yeah, most definitely. They're still solid. But boy, if he just get incrementally better, go into the lab and say, I'm gonna get better and throw in this damn football. Yeah, being able to touch, being finessed. Every ball, every ball doesn't have to be put in. With that, with that, with that offense,

with that offense, the weapons that he that, with that, uh, with that office, with that office of West skill, uh, the weapons that he has, Hey, he can be, he can be, he can be, he can be special, man, cause you see it, you see sick. What is he? Six, four, two 55. He can run. Got great athleticism, but at the end of the day, you got to be able to throw the football, the best quarterbacks will probably the least that they're the least athletic players on the F and field.

Now, not I mean, obviously, you take the key, you take guys like Vic and Lamar. But on average, when you go back and look at all the quarterbacks that are played. Yeah. The only position they could have played was quarterback. But let me ask you a question. What position you think Tom Brady was gonna play other than quarterback? Peyton, Danny, Joe.

What if they gonna play? They didn't play anything but quarterback. Yeah. Hey, Vic probably, Vic could have been a running back, could have been a DB, same thing with Lamar, could have been a running back, could have been a wide receiver. could have been a DB, same thing with Lamar, could have been a running back, could have been a wide receiver. Yeah.

Most of us played quarterback at some point in time, played wide receiver, played running back, played D feed. I guarantee you, most of the quarterbacks, the only thing they ever played was quarterback. Quarterback, yeah. Detroit was fine on all cylinders today, Ocho, and they demolished the Jags 52 to six. Lions set a franchise record for margin of victory plus 46.

Total yards, 645. First downs, 38. Detroit scored touchdowns on each of its first seven offensive possessions. The Lions are only the third team in the past 45 years to do it. The two are the Patriots, the 2009 Patriots and the 2007 Patriots, a team you might remember when every game they played that season until the Super Bowl.

So. Jerry Goss. Was 24 of 29, 412 yards, four touchdowns, zero picks. They ran the ball 43 times, 196 yards. And they had 449 total passing yards. They took golf out, Herndon Hooker came in, he was three or four.

Amon Roth, St. Brown, 11 catches, 161, two toes, Jamison Williams, four for one 24 touchdown. Jamir gills, one catch 54 yards. Kalief Raymond, two catches, 30 yards, so forth. It's all in a partridge in a pear tree. Hey, how you stop that, man? How you stop that? When they click it like that?

When you're getting contributions from everywhere, from your running game, from your passing game, you got two receivers going over 100, you can't find a way to stop a Mon-Raw, you can't find a way to stop Jameson Williams, then you gotta deal with the goddamn running game, you gotta deal with Montgomery, you crazy ass, you gotta deal with goddamn-

Gil. Sunk the hedgehog and Jameer Gibbs, there's nothing you can do. You got to deal with the goddamn running game. You got to deal with Montgomery crazy ass. You got to deal with goddamn something. Hogan, Jamiro Gibbs. There's nothing you can do. And then defensively, they paint defensively. You got them Brian Branch, crazy ass and the rest of that goddamn company out there. They plan extremely well. And I mean, what do you do? What do you do? You hang up 52.

This is the NFL game. This is the NFL game against another NFL team, an NFL team that's supposed to be the best of the best. I know it's the Jags. I know it's the Jags. But still, these are the one percentage. These are the one percentage in the world where we are displaying our best players that we had to choose from in a draft and free agency or however they were acquired.

They got 52 points hung up on them on 52. You got to force them to turn the ball over. If they don't turn it over. The likelihood of you keeping them out of the end zone, Ben Johnson is doing an unbelievable job. Didn't he get fired somewhere? Didn't somebody fire him? What was he at? Wasn't he at New Orleans? Where was Ben Johnson at? Cause this ain't his first job. I don't think it's his first OC job. Yeah. Mr. John, you bought, you won with the Colts at one point or am I tripping?

I thought he was at the saints or was it Carolina? He was the dolphins. That's his only job. That's his only stock. Where was he after that? OK. Well, what was he before? He was at the Dolphins and he's been in with the Lions ever since. So I think about it, you may have five interceptions last week. He had five incompletions this week.

You see, you know, one thing my grandma always told me, say God has favor, huh? Clearly, because remember Ocho, he had a game where he was 18 or 18, 19 or 19? Damn, they're perfect. I think that was true. So what is Jerry Golf stats now? I guess this thing out of batteries. Put them up.

Asher's getting Jerry golf stats right now. 20 to okay. Twenty and nine and 2500 yards. Well, what you call them almost at 3000 yards right now. Joe Burrow, Joey, Joe Burrow. I thought Joe crossed 3000. He said he got it because I think he was slightly above Lamar. Right. Lamar and Lamar only had like 100 and something, maybe 200. But anyway, yeah, Joe, Joe, Joey just crossed. He's at 3000. He's right at 3000 or he's slightly over 3000. Right. 3,000 or he's slightly podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the

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