Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Joe Johnson joins the show to discuss the Warriors beating the Lakers, & Ja Morant is at it again with the finger guns!

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to the Warriors beating the Lakers at home, & Ja hits a game winner over the Heat, and is back at it with the finger guns!04:25 - Show start07:00 - Joe Johnson joins the show07:30 - Warriors v Lakers34:50 - Ja Morant45:35 - Giannis Antetokounmpo makes history(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But most of you guys know him for the Atlanta Hawks right here in the a here. He is I so Joe Joe Johnson What's up? What's going on? What's up? What's up? Oh, Joe? Yeah, what y'all got going on? Man, I'm right here living. We appreciate you staying up late at night for us, bro. We appreciate this. I don't know, probably, man. I couldn't miss this. I appreciate y'all for having me on the show.

All the success you guys have, man, and continued success. So I really appreciate y'all. I'm a huge fan. Yes, sir. I appreciate this. The Warriors beat the Lakers 1-23, 1-16. The Lakers cut the lead once 16 point fourth quarter lead They got it down to five, but they couldn't get over the hump the Dove's bench outscored the Lakers bench

26-7 LeBron 33 points 9 assists 5 rebounds Austin Reeves 31 point 6 rebounds Rui 24 point 6 rebounds Luca had 19 points on 6 and 17 shooting, eight rebounds, seven assists. In the first half, Pods outscored Luca and LeBron. He had 22, they combined for 16. I think the difference in this ball game, Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you watched it, was the bench, the bench production.

One team, bench gave them 26, because you kinda got, okay, Steph had 37, but LeBron gave you 33 and then when you factor in off the Rees Okay, so that's a push now Jimmy Butler and and and Draymond Luca kind of offset them but so if you get offset offset now where's that production gonna come from and you see the Golden State Warriors bench They outscored the Lakers bench by 19 and the difference in the ballgame I think was what seven points 123 to 116 when you watch this ballgame What did you like or what didn't you like from what you saw in this ballgame? First of all, I seen broad come in with them purple overrides now. There's gonna be some trouble

I knew it was gonna be some trouble. Oh, what big ass ball is this? He came to watch? You say he come to work today? Hey, hey, hey. But I thought it was a great game, man. They got off to a hot start. Both teams was on fire to start the game. And yeah, it came down to the bench.

And that's kind of what it's gonna be like in the playoffs. You know, that game gonna kind of slow down a little bit. And I like what the Warriors got. They got a bunch of guys over there, man, who ain't scared to take the big shot, make big plays, and create big opportunities. So they came into LA with it on their mind tonight. Because normally the Lakers have had their way with the Warriors over the last several years.

They've had LeBron has been sensational. He was sensational again tonight. What would be 10 or 15? He didn't take a whole lot of shots. He was very, very efficient. I thought sometimes Joe, he overpassed the ball. And I think if you watch him now, he starts the game in pass mode. He's not looking to attack.

He's looking, okay, Austin, you go do your thing. Okay, uh, uh, Luca, you do your thing. He's not in a mode where he's like, okay, I can go get mine. And if you go back and look, say, the last seven, eight games, the first half He has not played well He's most of the time he's under double digits in the first half and then he picks it up as he goes This was about far the best game that he's played since that injury me seeing it. Yeah, I watch all the game

Yeah, I thought this was his best game The second half he became aggressive. He wasn't aggressive to start with Yeah, 25 points in the second half. I think he had 14 in the third quarter 11 in the 11 in the fourth and the third fourth quarter But what did you like about what you saw from LeBron tonight as opposed the previous night coming back from this injury? Yeah, this seemed like it was probably the best game he he's had since the injury he was in pretty good rhythm Yeah, he does he seems like he kind of comes out look Selfish early to kind of get those guys in rhythm and get them going

And sometimes it kind of hurts him kind of late because take somebody's room or selfish. Yeah But yeah, I see him he did the same thing today and it's like in the second half He's like, okay, I gotta give us something in order for us to win Yeah, I think sometimes and then a little too ourselves Which I think it kind of you know hurts his rhythm because in basketball bro, you know the scores I know he do a lot of things for the Lakers a lot of good things for him as well You know scoring is the rhythm game, you know what I mean? So yeah, I like to just you know him coming out

He may have 10 12 assists in the first half, but offensively, he'll have a rhythm to get his own, you know, and it takes him a little while. Yeah. Hey, Joe, you don't think somebody like LeBron that's experienced as LeBron, he can't come into a game and facilitate first knowing that the games he's had previously, they haven't been his, he hasn't been LeBron, the LeBron that we're used to seeing, he can't come into a game and facilitate and allow the game to come to him instead of being aggressive out front. Man, I think Bron know he can do whatever he want at this point, honestly.

I think you got, you got to, he got to, he knows he has another level or two he's going to have to go, especially when the playoffs start. Right now they just trying to finish the season, obviously get great seeding, but he knows when the playoffs start, we're going to see a whole different Le great seating, but he knows when the playoffs start. Yes, sir We're gonna see a whole different LeBron. We're gonna have to Okay, I think the difference is not an Ocho you say Kenny just facilitate but now he has another ball handler Yeah, so where it was just him and Austin Reeves now he's gonna get his shot Now you got Luca Luca's gonna get 20 plus shots tonight, right?

Oh, the reason was somewhere between 15 and 20 shots tonight There's only so many shots can go around. So where he could normally get his rhythm, because he knows he's gonna be able to get those shots. Now, Luca and Austin Reeves, because he's coming into his own, they're cutting into that. So he can't wait like he once could

to just go get his shots, because they're gonna come few and far between. Because now, if Luca gets going, now you're not gonna get any shots because you don't wanna take him out of his rhythm. Because now, if Luka gets going, now you're not going to get any shots because you don't want to take him out of his rhythm. We've seen Austin Reeves get going. You don't want to take him out of his rhythm. And the farther they get going and stay in their rhythm,

the farther you get removed from being in your rhythm. So it gets harder and harder as we get the older. And now he has two guys that can take up some of the scoring slack. Yeah, I agree. What do you think about that, Joe? I think tonight with Austin Reeves and everybody getting off to such a great start, he kind of fed off that.

That's kind of, he goes really into real passive mode and he just keeps feeding them until, you know, they kind of cool off and then that's when he tries to pick up. And I think that's the thing that kind of hurts him from time to time. But like I said, man, when the playoffs start, it's going to be a whole totally different ball game.

I'm looking forward to it. Well, what did you like about what you saw from Steph? Because Steph, he saw Ponds have it going early. He didn't force anything. Now all of a sudden he's putting the ball on the floor. You got to try to run him off the three. He knows you're going to try to run him off the three. So now he has the ability to sidestep you still get off the three

I put the ball on the on the floor and get to the rim even though he's not above the rim player He's magic around the basket Yeah, he don't have to be above the rim player because he shoots so great from the outside that if he raises out Brian You're gonna jump. Yeah So his in-between game is so good whether he's shooting floaters or whether he dishes Draymond for easy layups or spraying out to Moody for three. So, you know, he has a defense and a hucklebuck. And if he goes right out there with some emphasis or some urgency, you know what's going on in there.

Yeah. Right. And also, if you think about it, he and Draymond, because, you know, because they shoot so many threes, they're a better rebounding team than you think, even though they're small, because they get up so many threes and the ball's coming off everywhere and guys are scrambling and they get the rebound. So they're gonna out-rebound a lot of teams,

even though they're small. You think like, oh man, we're gonna punish them on the glass. No, you're not. No, you're not. Because you got Draymond and Jimmy Butler, who are blue collar workers And they're gonna do all the little things box down and rebound and do the nasty dirty work that a lot of guys not gonna do And it's gonna result into a lot of second chance opportunities for those guys to kick out and shoot threes

Yeah, listen, I don't know how the NBA scene will go I'm not sure but when the playoffs come the Lakers Warriors playoff, I think NBA fans would love this I think it's something that would be really really dope a seven game series with these with with these two teams playing and as far as Step goes on listen somebody like that they could put the ball on the floor can shoot and score from from all three all three levels There's no way to stop that and obviously the late the Lakers bench They got they got to do much they got to do much better if Just so happened hypothetically speaking they happened to meet up in a seven game series and like you say toothpaste copy and paste

Lakers and fire Because because Draymond Draymond and and and Steph has played the wealth so long together They understand they get that rebound and Draymond just bouncing behind his back He doesn't he ain't not even looking but he knows Steph and they did a great job tonight If you notice Joe every they ran pick no, I want that one. I want Luca and pick, nope, I want that one. I want Luca. Whoever Luca's going, bring your ass to me. Yes, sir.

Now let me take, so just as much as the Lakers gonna try to pick off Steph and post Rudy Hotchamere and all those guys and make Steph work, we're gonna do the same thing to Luca. Bring him on down here, we're gonna get the switch, and we're gonna make him move them puppets, man. He gotta move them feet. Yeah, it's a blessing of the curse

because he can only move so fast. He's never gonna be a, no, he's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Because that first time you move that step with him, Joe, he has step at the first. Steph said, okay, you got that one. Good job. You got me. Good job. Oh, let me go back over here. Uh-oh, I think I got you leading. Boom, boom. And now you got the flow to the rim.

I've been there, man. I've been there. It's going to be challenging, because they're going to see Luca every play down the court. Defensively, they're going to make him play defense. He's not just going to be able to use all his energy for offense. That's how teams feel like they're gonna pick on the Lakers. Yeah. Yes. You got to.

Because if you look at it, Joe, Austin Reeves nor Luca are great defenders. Okay, let me, I let me take great out of it They're not there. They're they're average to below average defenders So now you got two of those now you only got one big Yeah, which is Jackson Hayes and he's a really, you know, he can get some fire trouble I mean he comes and goes I mean he's like all over the damn place. He look at He's looking at the stars and he's like, damn. He's all over the place.

So he's all over. He's scatabrained. He's all over the place. So now, that puts a lot of emphasis on a guy like LeBron. And LeBron coming off an injury, you know, he's not going to do too much because he don't want to do anything sudden, jump,

and re-injure that groin. Right. Absolutely. When they take Jackson Hayes out, they're a really small team. They are, man. They need some help in that paint to help Jackson Hayes and LeBron, because that's how they're gonna get it in the playoffs, man. You're gonna need way more than that, you know?

Every player's intensified in the playoffs, and, you know, a knickknack or ankle sprain or some minor can happen. You know, it's a playoff series, so it's gonna link them, man. They ain't gonna heal up to all season So they need some help. Yeah, but they do they You got to think about it. You talk about we've been saying they need help all this time We talked about Jackson Hayes obviously being the only big the only person that can play the five LeBron can switch and go to the five Sometimes depending on circumstance in a game depending on the situation But Joe what Joe just said they need they need a big it's not gonna work in a game depending on the situation. But what Joe just said, they need a big.

It's not gonna work in a playoff. There ain't nobody out there now. There ain't nobody out there. It's too late now. It's too late now at this point to go and get somebody. So you gotta figure out how to do it. Plan small and then you also have to figure out how to do it.

But you got two liability zone defense and Reigns and Luca and make sure all the energy in their output is spent putting up points on offense Yeah, because they had the unfortunate case We're not getting the mark Williams kid, you know not having a center is right It's hurting them because he could he could do a lot of justice for them, man He could he can have a lake those looking a lot better than what they've been looking these past few games Because now you start Mark Williams

and you bring Jackson Hayes off the bench, which is the role he's best suited for. Now those 15 minutes you play him, now they're spread out at the tail end. You let Mark Williams take the lion's share, now you bring him in. Now at all times, you got somebody to protect the paint. Right now when Jackson Hayes goes out,

they don't have anybody to protect the rim So basically it's the layup line cuz what they're gonna They're going to keep Luca in the pick and roll The do it does don't have once once Jackson Hayes go out the game the Lakers don't have that lot through it anymore It's kind of bunching up the game You can tell they just penetrate and kicking a lot of times guys do have a in-between Game, but they kick it out for three so much that it's making them all from the score They went into a last today the way it took them a while, you know to score some points

So in the playoffs go slow down and Brian knows that I'm sure like I say He's gonna go to another level too, but man, they need some help in the pain Yeah, unfortunately, that's not coming until next year unless they could do something No, ain't nobody they picked up Alex Lynn and he just right now he's just waiting to be the tallest coach ever Cuz he he terrible as a player right now Joe I mean, I mean ain't no way around it ain't no way around it. They put him in the game player right now Joe I mean ain't no way around it ain't no way around it they put him in the game and they go have to kill all the roster they don't need that body man I'm telling you they're gonna need that body

well that's all you know I'm saying oh Joe you you from Arkansas right? yeah from Little Rock okay so you know being from the country you from Little Rock I'm from South Georgia we kept kept a whole car in the backyard to take parts of poppies. It wasn't worth a damn, but we just used it for spare parts. That's what we do with Alec Lee. He's just gonna be out there taking them to space,

that's it? Hey listen, hey listen, man, them people getting fine and struggling, and them playoffs, they gonna need somebody stepping in and give them three, four, five pounds. Yeah, I'm telling you. But that's all he, that's all he, hey, Ocho Joe. We go out to a man. We need a carburetor Yeah, piece it up try to make it work

We gotta do whatever we can to buy some time especially Especially Vinny, them guys. Especially Jackson Hayes. Get into any type of foul trouble. Yeah. Man, y'all got to throw somebody out there. Y'all can't have Braun playing in the center, bro. No. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.

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And he spit bro Mm-hmm. Hey, they're not listening to you talking you talk about a day that wasn't a pot bra Ain't nobody listening to you Hey, oh, he used to play it out of minutes, man. They laying on everyone hard out there. They are, they are. Listen, sometimes the owners gotta be on LeBron. Listen, once we get to the playoffs, he gotta talk to Jackson Hayes.

Listen, you don't have to challenge everything. You don't have to challenge everything. Early on in the game, there's no need to get in foul trouble. Man, young bull don't have me going to the five and exerting all that goddamn energy on defense Having a plan. Oh, yeah He ain't trying to get in foul trouble, bro Yeah, I ain't trying to I know he'll look wild out there that man excited look

Somehow so we either ended up as the only beat for the late cuz he like oh, yeah I'm playing with Luke and LeBron man man after the time is like He came for the pelicans think about it And he probably not gonna have it this good again But I think I think the Warriors have to be really pleased because Jimmy Butler didn't give him a whole lot tonight Yeah, normally even though when he's not giving them anything he's at the file line So he's given a he's given giving him anything, he's at the foul line. So he's given he's given Steph an opportunity to rest. Yeah.

Yeah. So the clock stops. So now Steph can get the rest because Steph is perpetual motion. He's not. Hey, he's he's just running. He's running baseline. He's coming to the top. He's back. That's all he's doing. He's running the whole game. And so and as Joe said, come playoff time, however many you normally play. Yeah. Two to three on. Come playoff time however many you normally play. Yeah, tattoo the three-oh

33 minutes you go go to 36 if you play in 35 you go into 38 I'm talking about hard toughness, but the one thing I do like about the Warriors, you know Dreyman's not a great offensive threat, but he knows his role meaning when that gets kicked to him He go right into a dribble handoff cuz ain't nobody guarding and not Steph come off Scott three shooting them wide open threes and Don't that's been kind of money for them, you know going down straight And sometimes he hit you with the dribble drive He'll fake the handoff and drive it and let go all the way to the rim with it

And the thing is look at some point in time You got to live with that if Dre Mongo hit two hit two to three threes, three threes, you're probably gonna lose the game. If Jimmy Butler at the time, no time on the clock and he just heaves it up, you're probably gonna lose like that. So you're gonna have to live with something. You try to minimize stuff.

That's the damage. That's the, that's the, look, if you get, Steph is the trauma center. You can live with a paper cut. Steph's in here to the trauma center. And that's where you just stop, you're not trying to go to. Oh Joe, you know in class that you get a little bandaid. When they call the paramedic for you, that's too much.

You in trouble, then. Steph is the paramedic. I'm just trying to get a little bandaid to get the picture. That's the hard part, though. You know Steph at the trauma center in regards to who you plan. So you want to deal with the trauma, but you want to limit everything else. The other four people, eliminate eliminate them or just make sure you find a way to stop up the dam.

That's it. If try, if you're going to deal with the trauma from Steph, make sure you deal with the other four and carry on like that. It's kind of hard because they're either gonna put Alston Reeves or they're gonna put Luca in the pick and roll. They're gonna keep running because those are the guys. So because you, Fannie Smith didn't give us anything tonight. Dory, Gabe Vincent didn't give you anything tonight. You need something from those guys.

We committed them the other night, Hojo, because remember both of those guys gave you 20. Yeah, both of those guys hit at least six three six three Yeah, they've got to give you something now if they're not giving you anything you hope you know They give you something offensively, but if they're not giving you anything offensively Austin finished me up got it. Don't got it. He got a lock it down. Yeah, you can't be you can't be booty cheeks on both ends Now you gotta They gonna need guys to pitch in man I just feel like you know to put so much pressure on Luca and LeBron to be great every night

Yes, you know, it's gonna be hard to win like that. That's why I think Austin Reeves is playing out of his mind They should he's giving them great help, but they're gonna need more help from Rui to be consistently good for them on a night-to-night basis, especially when they get into postseason. I think the thing is, and plus, I like Dalton Connect, but he annoys, he annoys JJ because he doesn't understand his defensive responsibilities. He gets so lost, they put him in the pick and roll

and both guys, they put him in the screen, the high screen, and he goes to the guy that's rolling when he's supposed to flare to the guy that popped, and he gets lost every time. And look, I've only been around JJ for half a year, but I just know that annoys him. And what I told you, Ocho, you gotta have patience as a coach,

and when you go over something in film study, and then he come in the game and muck it up, like bro, this is why you over here. This is why you're not playing. And Joe, I know you can speak to this. Guys that, you know, okay, you go over something and shoot around, you go over something in film study, and then you get into the game,

and I'll be damned if you don't mess it up. Hey, and that's their rookie syndrome, bro. That's why they don't trust them rookies in the big games and the big situations in the postseason, because you got to understand attention to details based on the defensive end, knowing when to switch, how to switch, who to close out to, who not to close out to. And a lot of times, you know, rookies don't really understand that it's taking them a year or two to kind of figure that part out

Yeah so Who do you think a Joe knees another title more step for brawn Oh I'll say brah Yeah, man, yeah, I say brah even were on one even though he's wrong already in LA In the bubble, I think him get another one. I Mean he already to a lot of people, you know, he's there to go Man, he's gonna have all the records when he's done man, but I'm gonna capitalize. I have another champion in LA. Yeah

Yeah, what I think it look look what he's doing at 40, man This was crazy. So, you know, we we we kind of get on him, you know at times Well, he's not playing great, but you have to realize that man 40 years old and he's still out there putting up elite numbers Right. Yeah, he go and he's gonna end the season averaging 24 8 and 8 at the age of 40 Hey, I got his 25 average in 24 8 and 8. That's a 40. Hey, a guy that's 25, averaging 24, eight and eight, that's a max contract guy, the guy's gonna get 350. And he's 40. Hello, hello.

Hey, Joe, you think they hold LeBron at a different standard, obviously, because of who he is, Woody's been able to do the longevity, the consistency, to be in year 22, to plan the way he's playing at 40. To me, I mean, if you ask me, I think maybe Steph would be more suited to be one to maybe need another ring as opposed to LeBron the way I see it, you know, despite my lack thereof exquisite knowledge of basketball,

it seems like his legacy is already submitted, whether he wins another one or not. He talking about Steph or LeBron? or not He's talking about still not about the brah Nah, I think because brah has been great for so long. He's been in the game since he was 18 and man 40 years old Yeah that and he's played at a Crazy level never 18 elite level you gotta me So this is a this is new to all of us, you know Every point that goes down for him is in history books. Yeah, like looking at the leading score NBA history

so I know we take you know, we'll take that in and You know, you can't take that for granted for what he's doing and you know having longevity and still playing at this high level So, you know to some to some aspect. Yeah, I want to see him win another one okay okay hey hold on hey Joe I got to show you the ball LeBron gave me he signed a 50k point ball for me let me see that joint oh Joe you gotta cheer. You gotta cheer. Hey, hey, you gotta cheer, my boy. Hey, you can't keep letting that man get away with his act, man. That man is on his trip.

Hey, you gotta cheer. Hey, Joe, what I tell people all the time, when you're a great player, and I'm sure you got this, they don't compare you to other players. They compare you to your younger self. As you started to get older, Joe, they say, man, I remember the 25-year-old Joe. He would have got that shot off. He ain't been able to get to the rim. He ain't been able to draw that foul.

People looking at LeBron, they don't put forward zero. All they say, I remember LeBron would have rolled up and he'd have dunked it on him. I remember LeBron would have got all the way to the rim. They're not looking at the age. All they do is compare you to a younger version of yourself. Yeah, and obviously he don't have the athleticism that he once had, but he's so cerebral and smart and he's getting an age

Of his game that it's even more impressive now to watch me than it is when he was 22 or 23 Right. Yeah, so I Enjoyed I enjoy how this game has evolved and how he's kept up with the Joneses because when I came into the game I'll get no joke. Yeah guys one pump faking a sidestepping and none of that We they weren't doing none of it So right, you know, he's learned all that and he's just need to play and he's added and implemented so many different things in his game The three ball. Yeah, he wasn't he wasn't a heavy three ball shooter when he got into the league either Now he has the three now he has the three ball. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what really that's what really has helped him because what, he's

like, he's top 10 in three point shots. We don't look over 11,000 rebounds, over 10,000 assists, we know the 40 plus thousand points. But something that we never thought that we would see that LeBron James will be top 10 in three. And so the evolution, guys that could evolve, the greatest trick to survive was adaptability. He had to be able to adapt to the game as it evolved. And you see some of the other guys couldn't adapt to the game. And even though they were pretty good players, I was listening to Melo talk.

Melo said, man, I need to get to the mid-range. Well, they no longer wanted the mid-range because they don't value the mid-rate right? We need you to be a spot up three-point shooter. We need you to be a catching three three-point shooter Yeah, I think that's what's made him tough to guard because if he's making that jump shot. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's over Yeah, it's gonna be a good night for him tonight. So I Think that's that's the key like you see if he sees that person go in You know, it's gonna be a long night for them for the defense so

You know he had you on your heels because if he's making it then you gotta shake his hand and you know He's had unbelievable night from the three, you know from this crash few years, especially this year. Oh Yeah, let's go to a game buddy He'll and Jarvan rant was worn by the NBA about the finger guns, but But again tonight, John hit the game winner Man, you know who he beat Beat the heat. Yeah, man. Joe if you could if you look as a veteran playing 17 18 years in his league Yeah, if you had an opportunity to sit down with Ja, impart some wisdom upon him, what would

you tell him? I tell him, uh, Ja, come, come, come spend some time with me, come get in this hot yoga room and we're going to zap all that little energy up out of you. It ain't going to be none of them, man. We ain't going to be fine no more than because we're going to, we're going to get you right. But I think that's kind of what the NBA is lacking, honestly, their veteran presence that can help these young guys, because nowadays you got guys getting drafted

and they go on the teams and Jav is the guy who they looking up to, you know what I mean? Jav 23, 24. He's 23, 24 and these are the guys who, you know, your young guys are looking up to and emulating and wanna be like, so I think you gotta have older guys in there man who can really teach these dudes a rope, show them how to be pros on and off the floor. Yes sir.

Yeah. Hey Joe do you think obviously you think about players like that that are young like Ajah and some of the other players that are around the league do you think trying to tone down some of the some of the mannerisms some of the extracurricular activity and things they'd like to do on the, do you think trying to tone down some of the some of the mannerisms, some of the extracurricular activity and things they'd like to do on the court, do you think that it will take away from their game and what makes them them being that he's so young and he can resonate with with the rest of the youth? You think that would take away some of that some of that that that would make Ja Ja in general?

Yeah, no, I love it. I know they probably gonna try to ban some of the stuff, but I love the antics and the celebrations and things of that sort. I think that's kind of what makes the game. That's what fans love to see. It's just like in football, when guys score, they love to see the dance and the teams come together, the good camaraderie of teams, and fans enjoy watching that. They don't want to just see a boring game. They want to see the excitement that comes with it so I hope they don't eliminate or give technical files for all the excessiveness

Some of it is kind of warranted, but man. I ain't gonna lie Oh Joe some of this stuff is kind of getting out of hand man. I watch a lot of a you basketball I got an a you program myself And man these kids so they get side, they shoot next to your head. They'll come out this way. Hey, hey, hey. They sprayed the whole building down. Hey, hey, man, listen. They shoot up the whole gym.

So, I love to see the fire in them and the competitive nature that comes with it, but some of the antics, yeah, fights bro they start fights okay okay yeah because Ocho yeah what do the younger people see cuz think about it all these kids not do all they do nice you three they saw stuff guys three seven years old yeah they launched it the same thing with the NFL whatever they see them, they see the gritty, they see, hey, Ocho, remember they outlawed the throw slashing. You had kids in the high school, young kids, throw slashing. So this is the same thing. These kids, they want to emulate that. They want to be that. And so the NFL and these sports leagues say, nah, we don't, we, you know, we ain't trying to set that precedent. We want you to have fun. And I get it to a certain extent,

but sometimes I think the players do go overboard. I think they got a responsibility because these young kids look up to them. You selling shoes, you selling merch, you selling things, you say, hey, I want you to support me. I want you to be bling, blah, blah, blah. But then when we do that, ah, nah, don't do that.

Nah, them kids be ball all the way in. Everything you do, everything you wear, how you talk, what you do, they follow that. Yeah, and Jive's polarizing, man. He, ultimately could have been, or could be the postal boy of the NBA. And kids gravitate toward that. Like, I'll say his shoes, his clothes,

how he wears hair. Like, man, I see these kids now with their dress back up in a little ponytail, man, listen, these people, they think they dry out here. And because he has the reason why they like Steph, because you see Steph like, damn, Steph like a regular man. Steph 6'2". Yeah. I can't beat Steph.

Jive 6'2". Yeah. I can't beat LeBron. Man, I ain't finna beat no 6'9". Right. I ain't beat LeBron. Man, I ain't finna be no 6'9". I ain't finna be no Shaq. I ain't finna be no Yoakich. But I can beat Ja. I can really grow up to be 6'2". I can beat Steph Curry. So that's why a lot of times, people gravitate toward the smaller guys

because they see themselves, I can be that. That's why Jordan and Kobe, the smaller guys, they seem to resonate. Ain't nobody say, man, I want to be Shaq. I want to be Jokic. I want to be Kareem. Why you think don't nobody throw the sky hook? The most unstoppable shot that's ever been created. Right. And ain't nobody basically threw it since he threw it.

Hey, hey, hey. And you got all these trainers out here taking these kids through drills. Oh, nobody teach them how to shoot no sky hook man over there Then 20-20 five step ha ha catch that yeah That's what it is. Yeah, I young I young can Joe I think I like it I understand exactly all coming from but when you got players like Anthony Edwards players like John Marant I mean Steph is a little different just the way he carries himself You look at the individuals background and the image that they try to portray When you got players like Anthony Edwards, players like Ja Morant, I mean, Steph is a little different just the way he carries himself. When you look at the individual's background

and the image that they try to portray, there's a reason why they're special when they play the game of basketball. There's a certain way that they carry themselves. There's a certain group that they try to emulate or a certain cache and way that they carry themselves and they wanna keep that same, or when they play the game of basketball.

And all I was saying is there's some things you can eliminate that they do in game. I just don't wanna take too much away from them that makes them who they are. There's a certain if factor with Anthony Abrams and Nejamoran that makes them who they are. And I think if you take too much and try to tone them down too much, it takes away from the game in general and what they bring. I agree. And it's going to kind of dole it down a little bit to make it less watchable.

I mean, they say the game, they say the basketball game has been struggling, but you know, our stars have been performing. You just got to keep them on the floor. Yeah. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came forward. And he was just staring at me. And they had secrets of their own to share. Gilbert King, I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.

I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer, he's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail.

I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley Season 2. Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple podcasts. ["Lava for Good Plus Theme Song"] If you remember, think about it. Well, who did the kids love? The guy that had a big, no, it's hard to say somebody had a bigger impact than Allen Iverson.

Allen Iverson was the first one to start wearing the sleeve all well. Not damn near everybody wore the sleeve. Allen Iverson, you couldn't go to the store and buy a 5X t-shirt because he in a photo ball. He the one that buy the GAs and you couldn't find no 40 jeans because he had them on his ass. He was the one that trained, they trained the dress code because of him. Yeah. You ain't lying, you ain't lying. I had I didn't know if you were them tall teeth too, but... Boy, look, I remember when the league changed the dress code. Man, look, we used to come to the plane and sweat, split-flops, shorts.

Man, they took all of it when you had to come in that suit and this bootie. I was like, oh my God. Hey, guys, short of... Hey, Joe, you remember that cable? Do that couple do-rags? They had the do- rags on the tall T I like Y'all if it do all these corporate sponsors all this money we spend it y'all fit to clean this

Right, they staring one going he got everybody right? Oh, yeah Hey, I saw Tim Duncan come pick his uh, MVP trophy on with flip flops and shorts. Oh It's a MVP trophy on with flip flops and shorts on No, that's hey Hey, I remember those days bro. I remember those days. Oh good times man. Hey kind of way He kind of got back to that nano. Yeah, they got all the guys are not coming They used to do the time that you know suit suit suit, but you know, you see guys still coming with some sweat Yeah, man. Hey man. Say look here. I wait I't spending no money on it. Hey, I get all this free gear Where you do it?

Kio where a pigeon on national television Taylor Rooks as John tell me everything about that last possession Possession Josh say a pigeon was guarding me go get a bucket and win the game Possession Josh say a pigeon was guarding me go get a bucket and win the game Job got a chill. I can't let my guy from the crib. He's from the right. We don't act like that Hey, it was a great shot kill a play great defense. It was a great shot. He made a tough shot man. Give him his credit I'm gonna tell you what I think happened in a game The look guard was testing him and impressing him so much. Yeah, he's the one to step back. I'm gonna tell you what I think happened in that game. The little guard was pissing him and impressing him so much.

Yeah. The little Donovan kid. Yeah. And kinda turned Jaune to the point that where he was trying to make a point. Right. And he kinda turned around and kinda got it going. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But he definitely got it going in the second half. Yeah. He got it going in the second half. Yeah, he caught up. And he said they was booing him. They was booing him and he kinda got to go into the second half. He got to go into the second half. Yeah, he caught up. He said they was bored him.

They was bored of him and he kind of got to him because I think he had like 27 points in the second half and obviously hit the game winner. So that was exciting. It was a video game night for Giannis Atatokounmpo, the Greek freak, dropped a career high assist. He became the first player in NBA history to have 35 points, 17 rebounds, 20 assists.

The Bucs shot 52% from the three-point range. The Bucks are coming up a win against Tuesday in which they shot 69% from the field, which was the highest in an NBA game since 1998. And the 58, almost 59% from the three-point range. Is there anybody, honestly, Joe, is there anybody really, as well as Yonis has played, Cleveland's been the best team in the East record-wise, but is there anybody in the East that can challenge Boston?

Nah, nah, but I tell you what, described the season, I had the Bucs making some noise, man. I know it's been unfortunate, you know, with D tell you what, the start of the season, I had the Bucks making some noise, man. I know it's been unfortunate, you know, with Dane going out, you know, with the calf injury, the blood clot thing. And man, we can't expect these type of numbers from Giannis every night, man. Right, right.

Man, he played out his mind tonight. And them other guys around him stepped up. They had to step up and make plays. And man, how many assists he had? 20. Oh, man. Yeah, he did everything tonight. the guys around them stepped up they had to step up and make plays and man I mean it's 50 head 20 oh yeah you know in the postseason they don't let you get up and down and Yardis is like he likes to get up and down yeah he sees a crack yeah he like a yard is like a rope he's here crack he gonna slide through it and I get away from you so you can't squirt every time hey in the playoffs boxing

elbows baby you want to pass that thing them boys don't make if them boys don't make a nine threes together Okay, we gonna live with it But you can get to this room and have a dump this all night there Because you know when somebody has 20 assists there are a lot of shots being made man A lot of shots being made yeah and I think everybody chipped in tonight they had a bunch of guys in the double figures who made a little made quite a few threes so obviously Yonah's had it going if he had 35 points 20 assists right how many rebounds is probably about 18 19 17

rebounds yeah it is a matter of fact I'm to go back to something you just said earlier, right? Real quick. And it just dawned on me. You said out the East, there's no threat for the Celtics at all. Well, if there's no threat for the Celtics, basically you're saying they're going back to NBA finals? Basically, yeah. Okay.

Well, if they're going back to the NBA finals, who do you see them facing out the West? And do they even have a threat out the West, let alone forget the East? Yeah, they got a threat out in the West, partner. Yeah, they got a threat. Who that? Who we talking about? I like OKC, bro.

I like OKC, not only because they got shade, but because all them other dudes around them, they know they roll, and they defend, man. They defend, they sit down, they sit in their chair play defense outro in the playoffs That's what it's gonna come down to and what they the youngest team in the NBA. Yeah, they are 24 years I mean they finna hey, they gonna be getting up and down all night shake on average probably 42 minutes a Game in the playoffs, right? Yeah, 48 minute ball game. He probably barely gonna sell ain't gonna do nothing to him

Mm-hmm unless unless unless they unless they blowing them out and you know, you try to blow somebody, you know Try to get some rest like that. But other than that, yeah your best players play the MVP race is coming down to the wire SGA is on play pace to win his first scoring title right now He's at thirty two point nine points a game the Thunder record sixty four and twelve They have an outside chance to become the third team to win 70 games in a season. OK season, OK needs to win out to join the 95, 96 Bulls and the 2015, 16 Warriors as the only teams in NBA history

to win 70 or more games in the regular season. Meanwhile, Nikola Lokic, Yokich, they just call him Yok, has attempted to make history, becoming the third player to, yeah, the third player to win four MVP's in a five-year span Jordan LeBron 2008 to 2012 he won for Bill Russell 61 through 65 Unfortunately, yoke is not gonna win the MVP just like the first guy to have a triple-double Oscar Robinson

Yeah, didn't win the MVP and that 61 62 season season. Yohkyn's just averaging 29.7 points a game, 12.8 rebounds a game, 10.2 assists a game, and he's shooting 54% from the field and 42% from the three. And unfortunately, Joe, he's not going to win the MVP. Man, that dude is ballin' out of control. I'm gonna be honest with you, I love watching him play. I love how he plays at his own pace. And he make guys around him better, too. He's a willing passer, which makes him harder to guard

because you know, if you're double team, he gonna give it right up, and them dudes making shots around him. Mm-hmm. But to be honest, my pick would be Shady too. I enjoy watching Shady. I love his poise and patience, you know, throughout the game. And like I say, defensively, he's always going to be tops and steals. He sits down and play defense as well. So I love both players, man, but if I had a vote, mine would probably be Shady. You know what's gonna happen? It's gonna be the same situation.

Like we go back, Joe and I, being a student of the game, you go back and look at that 61-62 season. Bill Russell won the MVP, but that was the year that Wilt averaged 50 and 25. That was the first year Oscar had a 30 point triple double. Jared West averaged 30. Elgin Baylor was was 30 and 18 mmm you go back and look at that was the Greece statistically that was the

greatest offensive season on record go back and look at those guys and look at the numbers you're like hold on and when you hear like we'll average hope but how much did he have 15 then will average 50 and 25 no MVP 15 25 yes, and he didn't win the MVP Bill Russell won the MVP that season. Yeah, but Jerry West was like 36 and eight Who else? Who's Elgin Baylor Elgin Baylor average walk Elgin Baylor average like 27 and 18 Walk Bellamy and I mean the numbers were crazy You're gonna look at the top fight the top six guys in the MVP race, right? And probably any other year they win it

but Russell wanted that year and I think we're gonna go back 25 30 years from now. We're gonna to pull up Nicole Yocuch's numbers and they're going to say, ain't no way in hell if he didn't win the MVP, who did? Because that's the conversation we having now. Like you said, hold on, we'll average 50 and 25 and didn't win the MVP?

Nope. Boston, Bill Rustin must have been putting belt to ASA. They did win, they won eight straight titles. So yeah, they told everybody they would tear their body up. Yeah. And then we'll say, y'all were playing with me. Diddy came back at average 44 and 27 next year. Just to let y'all know it wasn't a fluke.

Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Joe. What's up? I remember, we talked about this a couple years last year, Ocho, is that Mello was feeling some type of way, he say because they gave the 15 to Yocage. And I'm saying, and I said, Joe, bro, they took this man in the second round. Right.

And when he got drafted, they were doing a Taco Bell commercial. They had no idea he was going to turn out to be this right because if they had that it took his ass in the first Round you don't run the risk of a distance or a transcendent player I'm taking him in the second round if you think you're gonna do anything, but Unfortunately, they're not gonna remember Carmelo Ward at 15 that number belongs to Nicole. Yokich Unfortunately, they're not gonna remember Carmelo Ward at 15 that number belongs to Nicole Yolkic I mean, it shouldn't listen as great as the plan right now. Hold on I don't you not erased him with Carmelo data negate in at nf15 that may have got three MVP's of the finals MVP I tell you what Joe Who won 34 who won 34 in Milwaukee before Yon is?

Ray Allen? Do you remember Ray Allen in 34? Oh, Joe. Exactly. Exactly. Hey, hey, hey, hey, he was a bad boy with that 34. Yes, he was. He was. Yes, Gordon off.

Yes, yes. But you look at what Yonis is doing. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he got you raced. Hey, that's what I like about us sometimes. Sometimes we become a prisoner of the moment and we forget what those before us actually did, you know?

And listen, I understand. I love what Joker's doing. I love it. But we talk about the other 15. We talk about that. We talk about Mr. Midrange. In 10 years? Oh, Mr. Pocho.

Mr. Put the shoulder in your chest. I get all that. I get all that. I get all that. In 10 years, ain't nobody gonna remember that. Just like you don't remember Ray Allen won 34 in Milwaukee. Because of what Yonis is doing. Do you realize what, Pocho, I don't think you realize what this man is doing.

Joe, you played 18, 19 years. You know, I studied the game. I've been following this game since 77, 78. And I know a lot of the history, what Yocitch is doing. I'm sorry, Ocho. Yeah. Hey, hey, you think the big man gonna ever come back? No.

The big man will be- Yeah, if he can shoot the other, no. You talking about the big no. He gotta be able to shoot the three? The three. He got to be like a yokage. You got to be one of those big. You talking about the big, they just running their ass down to the block and playing with it back to the basket.

Oh, hell. Call for the bone? No, the game has changed. The game has changed. That's over, Joe. Hey, but I'm saying, you know, once in a while, you know, every hour we get a guy who come in, he may, you know, he in a while, you know, every hour we get a guy who come in, he made, you know, he built a little different

from everybody else. I think if you can dominate, you know, be the size of a seven footer who just unguardable down there, it'll come back. But now they don't train for it no more. Like those guys work on their post game for real. They all doing pick and pops, doing threes from different spots.

So the game is totally different. They don't even raise them like that no more. Yeah Think about it. Look at Zack Eady, man. You saw Zack Eady training. He's shooting three Look at wimpy. We'll be seven four and a half. Yeah, I would shoot He ain't playing with us back to the basket. That's over Joe Yeah, you got a guy still five and he ain't playing with his back to the basket. Hey the game is changed. I like Wimby though. I like Wimby. He's a freak of nature bro. They don't come like that.

No guys, look, as a matter of fact, I got a Carmelo signed jersey from him when he was a rookie. I know what Mello is, but I don't think you understand what you witnessed with Nikola Jokic. He's a three-time league MVP, and he did something that Mello didn't do, which is take this team to an NBA title, and he was finals MVP, and it was no question. Let me ask you a question.

At any point in time in Mello's tenure in Denver, was he the best player in the league? You're looking at the undeniable best player in basketball, and he's been that for the last four to five years. Right. Yeah, he probably was. Whether or not he went. I'm not sorry to catch y'all on that, but he probably won the best in the league, but that mother was a handful to guard. Yes, we're not denying that, no joke. We're not denying that. But when you go back, when he in the league at Kobe, okay, you got Braun, was he ever better than Braun? No, he wasn't. Maybe if you want to say he's rookie year, Shannon, he was better.

But after that, he's never been better than Braun. And then you get KD, now you got Steph, now you got James Harden. Who better than Yogi? Even though Shay go win the MVP, I'm not taking Shay over Yogi. I'm not taking Giannis, I'm not taking Joel Embiid, I'm not taking nobody over one five in Denver currently. Right.

And you sticking to it. Oh, I'm on that. Damn, Capote. That's just what that man gave you a 60. That man gave you a triple, a 61, you a triple, a 60 point triple double. A 60 point triple double. That's video game numbers. That was impressive. That was impressive. And hold on, didn't he just give you, he just gave you the other day a 30 point, a 30-20-20

game just about a month ago. He just, I mean, and like you said, Joe, I mean, you look at it, you're like, oh, I've been, you know what happened? You look at this You're like, oh, I've been you know What happened you look at this dude like oh, I'm gonna give him bucket. Oh, yeah And next thing you know, you look up there he got hit and drop 40 15 18 on you I said, yeah, they ain't gonna be a little jump to three inches off the floor. No, he's gonna get to it Hey that man smart. He's three girls. You know how to use his body his eye His eye is IQ for the game is crazy.

When you watch him play, man, he just, you don't know whether he's gonna pay that shoot, but whatever he does, he does it at an efficient level. And think about this. Ain't another All-Star on his team. It's not another All-NBA player on his team. Now Russ, but Russ is far removed from being that. He won a title with no all NBA and no All-Star.

He doesn't have an all NBA defender on his team. He doesn't have a defensive player of the year on his team. He doing that. Yeah. But he got some great pieces around him now. Oh yeah, they're really good pieces. With Gordon and Porter, you know, and Murray, they all those dudes know they roll and they all explode.

Meaning, you know, I know you're going to be consistent in this play, especially in the postseason, but those guys can't win you a playoff series or some playoff games. You know what I mean? Yes. Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came forward. And he was just staring at me.

And they had secrets of their own to share. Um, Gilbert King? I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott. I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it. Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil. I was becoming the bridge between a killer

and the son he'd never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never known. If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer. Bone Valley Season 2.

Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th, subscribe to Lava For Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Look, I still say it's hard to say that there are two or three better combos than he and Murray. When they get into that picking role and he picking and popping and Murray doing he dancing

on you and sidestepping you and hitting threes and he can get to the rim and he can finish above the rim. When they plan they hardly beat. Yeah, they hard to beat and now you got Michael Porter Jr. He's sidestepping and hitting threes. You got Gordon, he can hit threes and we know he can finish above the rim. Yeah and I think I think what those two guys don't get a lot of credit for their Gordon is defensively you can't go at them dudes. Them dudes hold they own defensively. They play big. They play big and great moments for

Denver. So when they run into the Lakers or the Suns they got guys who can match up with KD and LeBron and make the night tough. Because Gordon is 6'8 with a big body. So that's what he could do. So because LeBron can damn the bully everybody. But Gordon might because Gordon is 6'8 with a big body. So that's what he could do. So because LeBron could damn to bully everybody, but Gordon might outweigh him. And so it's hard for him to bully and play through him. So he's like, you know what, you're gonna have to,

you know what, if you beat me shooting three, then you beat me in the mid range, I'm just not gonna let you put, I'm not gonna let you fade into the rim. And then a lot of times they don't bring help because they know if you bring help, Ron know where that help coming from. And you gonna be able to skip that ball to the open guy.

Every time. But the thing is, you're gonna probably have two 15s up in the Raptor and Denver. And that's the only way to do it, cuz. Okay. You think Denver gonna retire Melo-Jazzy? But I heard the thing. Most people know him as a Nick. Yeah. Yeah. I think New the thing, most people know him as a Nick.

Yeah, I think New York will. And they know him as a Nick. Yeah. And then how he forced his way out of Denver. There are a lot of people that probably, I mean, ownership, he forced his way out of there. And what he didn't realize in the process of going to New York and what he thought he was gonna have,

you forced them to give up everything So now you there by yourself. Mmm Yeah, you there by yourself cuz none of the pieces they had to get up off of Gulliver They had to get up of all those pieces Yeah, they had to give up them pieces and he got a Mari. What year probably his second third, you know, yeah Yeah, but uh, I think the Knicks are definitely a retired jersey, but they sure Yeah, you're been kind of to go with it number 15 and in Denver man, and he's been impressive I got a chance to play against him a few times and

I ain't seen you gonna beat it when you played it cuz you caught him early Do you think you gonna be this now? He was good then but he wasn't like this like he man's like every night He's just missed the consistency You know, he's gonna have probably 30 40 points Mm-hmm, it's just if the guys around him gonna pitch in and give him some help whether they gonna win or not Yeah, that's that's been the biggest the biggest thing who's gonna be consistent for y'all Yeah, right. You know, especially when it comes to the postseason.

Hey, I don't know, it's something about Luca, it's something about Yoko. The way they play the game, it looks, it's so slow, so methodical. You can't speed up their game. They play at their own pace, and they so efficient when they shooting every single time.

Never gonna rush. Never gonna rush. Poison patients, that. He's man. I love watching him And I think the thing I think the thing is is that when you're not as athletic as those guys I have to develop fine ways to score. They're not jumping over everybody. They're not jumping over anybody They're not gonna run around anybody. So what are the other ways that I can be able to score? What are the other ways that I can get to my spot? I can't let you speed me up because now I'm getting outside of my body

because that's not the way I'm built. So I think for those two guys, they both can shoot the three and they can shoot at an efficient level. So you have to get out there. So once they get a step on you and get by you, they in between game with them little floater touch shots that Yoke has got and Luca's got,

that's where it comes into play. Being able to see the corners after the peripheral of your vision and making guys around you better. That's why they so hard to guard, man. They are super unselfish, but at the same time, once they find a little crease in your defense, and they get into the T of your defense,

they cause all kinds of havoc with those little touch floaters and things like that. So that's why they are tough match up. And they know how to draw fouls. Yeah. There we go. They know how to face. Yeah, bait you in the fouls.

Because once Luka get a step on you, he gonna stop. Oh yeah. He gonna run into the back of them and let you run. Yeah. Yeah. You and you, both of them use their body real well. get a step on he gonna stop oh yeah you they both of them use a body real well hey hey it's like you know a joke hey somebody won't let you won't let you get over I speed up get in front of the brakes hey hey I had that happen I was tellin' Ocho last year I had that

happen to me I was at the light you, last year, I had that happen to me. I was at the light, the stop light, the light turned green, and so I see the light turn green, so I start to go. But the guy in front of me didn't move. Man, we pulled to the side, he pull over to the side, there was a guy at the tow truck at the 7-Eleven, he had the tow truck, he come over there, he like, hey, Shadow Sharp, how you doing, man?

He heard him say, Shadow Shark, dude grabbed his neck and fell right in the middle of the road. Get out of here. I said, come on, man. Get out of here. Don't ask what, he grabbed the back of his neck, fell down the road. They called an ambulance to come get him.

Hold on, you hit him? You ran to the back of him? Going two miles an hour. I did $200 worth of damage. I broke the license plate on the back of his car He was fired until the guy told him my name what nothing wrong he's like the moment he heard Shannon's chart Would you say he fell out he fell out in the middle of the road Right there side of the road. Oh

Man put that leg brace on for two weeks just in case anybody was watching him. Oh. Oh. He got the plate. And then, and then, he tried to sue me and then told me, well I'll settle for $2,000 and some memorabilia size. I said F you.

Hey, that's funny though, bro. Joe, let me ask you this. Give, that's that's funny. They were Give me your all-time starting five Give me your starting five all all time. So Five all time I'm going Say I like big guys and I'm a big guy. Yeah, like I grew up watching penny hard away. I'm gonna put penny at the one Okay, okay I'm gonna put Penny at the one. Okay, okay I'm gonna put MJ at the two. Okay

I'm putting Brian at the three. Okay I'm putting ticket BKG. I'm putting ticket at the four Okay, I like that and I'm putting I'm putting Shag at the fire I think that's a good dad you you love magic you love magic at the point That's my five. That's my five. Give it. I actually left Darlene Kobe out for that. You left Kobe? Yeah, you left Kobe out. You put Jordan at the two.

I'm a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kobe fan. I had to go with MJ. I went with MJ. What you want me to do, Otto? Talk to me. Who you on five? Who you on all-time five?

Magic. At the one. Jordan. Braun. Duncan. Kareem. You got Kareem over Shaq? I do. Magic. Ed the One. Jordan. Braun. Duncan.

Kareem. You got Kareem over Shaq? I do. Okay. I don't think Kareem can do nothing with Shaq. What's Shaq gonna do with Kareem? Who's gonna stop that skyhook? Okay, so both of them got 40?

You know ain't nobody blocking that skyhook. You ain't seen nobody block that skyhook. You ain't seen nobody block that sky hook. I ain't seen nobody block this sky hook, but you know, like I think when we play, I just, you know, obviously I wasn't, I wasn't really watching. I wasn't around at the time, but I see Shaq, man. I played against Shaq. I'm talking about his apex.

I'm talking about, man, it was no stopping that dude. I'm talking about,. It was no stop in that dude Okay, what you did you were stopping it? Yeah. Yeah. Hey my team go blow the doles off you Blow the doors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah hard away. He had Hardaway, he had Jordan. We both got Jordan. If you tell me I can't pick Jordan, I'll take Kobe. If you say, hey, I already got MJ, I'll take Jordan. Man, MJ ain't letting them fold a little. Hey, now, if you say, well, I already got LeBron, I'm going to take Bird.

So if I'm taking the all time, you say, okay, who already got LeBron, I'm gonna take Bird. So I got, if you tell me, so if I'm taking the all time, you say, okay, who you all time to start five? I'm gonna say Magic, Jordan, Bron in the three, Duncan at the four, and Kareem at the five. You took Penny at the one, Jordan at the two, LeBron at the three, Ticket at the four, Shaq at the five. Man, we, hey, it's gonna be a good game. Now, y'all gonna lose, huh? Hey, hey, hey, y'all gonna lose. Hey, hey, hey chat we're gonna

put it up, hey, hey, hey, put it up there, put it up there. We gonna see, we gonna see who uh, who team they think gonna win. Oh I got, I know I got, I'm gonna lose. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah with Magic. Yeah I know Magic gonna control the gang. I feel like. I feel like. I think, I honestly think him and Penny gonna counter counsel each other out.

I just don't think. And I know you gonna say Magic got what? Five rings and Penny ain't got nothing. But I'm talking about Penny and his apex. He was proud of, he was almost better than Jordan. Like he was selling more, he was selling more product than MJ at one point. Oh that little, with that little pity dog. Yeah. Hey, but when them, hey, Joe when them phone,

when them phone posers came out, like that Galaxy Blue or Royal Blue, them getting them phone posers came, man. Hey, hey look, hey look, him and MJ they still making big money. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, they didn't change the game. Absolutely All right, Joe you want to talk about Joe have a yoga studio What what's the studio called? I saw yoga? We've been open for a little over a year now. I got into a hot yoga Huh? into hot yoga. 26 and 2. I got into it in 2009. I did a lot of injuries, tendonitis, things of that sort. And I was just looking for a way to heal myself, bro. And getting in that hot room, letting that heat penetrate your muscles, joints, tendons, things of that sort.

It was beneficial for me. And I just trying to right now, I try to get a lot of the young guys in them, get it started early, 14, 15 years old, a lot of young athletes because it'll improve performance, decrease injuries, which is huge, and enhance cardiovascular things of that sort. And I just try to help these dudes, man, along the way so you can find different ways to kind of challenge yourself and be a better athlete, you know what I mean? Are you are you on IG or you are so how do they find you? Yeah, we are on Instagram ISO yoga. You can look us up. We right in midtown of Atlanta right across from Asley's mall Okay, pretty much. I in there pretty much every day. And man, we have a great, great community who comes out

and shows us so much love and support. And it's been amazing because this has been a challenge for me, I've been playing basketball since I was man, what, 14, 15 years old. And now finally, it's a slow down for me and and I got a chance to kind of have a job to To some degree, you know, I go out and kind of you know As we have different people who come in the studio to take class where there's pilates where there's yoga because we got pilates as well

Right, we got cryotherapy. We got red light therapy. So people coming up with different Yeah people coming up for different reasons So people come in like different people coming there for different reasons and I implemented all this into yoga because this is what I use on a day-to-day basis when I was playing professional basketball Now I like the Greek room yoga. I like Greek room Joe. It was just so hard cuz I'm a sweater Yeah, just so hard. It's so it's so hard for me to stay hydrated So I would just like 30 minutes in the class I'm locked up because I don't go through a gallon, I don't go through a gallon of water joke.

And I, but let me ask you this, also, do you find that you're still able to get into it? Cause I know when you warmed up, you're really warm, you can really get into those poses. Do you find that you're still able to get, your muscles are still, and you're still able to be able to be as flexible when the temperature is not as Hot no, that's that's my thing

So I try regular yoga see when I was in college coach Nolan Richardson up in Fayetteville Arkansas playing for the Razorbacks He used to have he said his lady come by and they she would do yoga with us on the court But it was fun, you know, I couldn't really I would never flexible dudes. I couldn't really, I was never flexible dudes, so I couldn't really get into it like that. So when I became a professional athlete, it was wrong to me. Yeah, I can't do just room temperature. I gotta be in the heat, man.

I need to be, I'm a deep junkie. I gotta be in the heat because my muscles and joints opens up and I just feel so much better. Man, I like that. It's funny, Joe, I played for, you know, 11, 12 years, but I ain't never had no injuries. I never got hurt. So I never did anything, you know, like yoga and Pilates.

And honestly, I can't sit still that long, unless it has anything, unless it has to do with gaming, you know, playing FIFA, playing Call of Duty, playing Madden, playing 2K, I can't sit that long. Then you've added the element of it being hot in there. So now me who now, I'm 57. I have never done nothing like that, but now I'm interested in trying it.

You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. Now you gotta chill. You gotta chill for real. I'm serious. You gotta chill. Listen, you be having a lot going through your head.

Nah, nah, you know what? You just can't be still. You just can't be in a hot room and be still and just be calm. I can't, I can't. I can't. But this is what I'm gonna do. Because if he's... I'm coming to Atlanta.

He needs to be able to think alive on the move. Yeah, I got it. And we in the yoga, he's stationary too long. Yeah. It is by his body. But listen, this is what I'm gonna do. See, hey, hey, hey, don't tell us. Yeah.

The mind, the body benefits through movement, but the mind benefits through stillness So you have to you have to practice it man You have to practice stillness when you can see when you've been in a high room You're gonna be under a lot of you're gonna be under some stress, right? But the thing is everybody's under stress. We all just have to let it look different Yes, sir And that's the thing that, that's the part of yoga mentally that takes you to a place probably you've never been, bro.

Like it makes you, it increases the focus and concentration. I think when it comes to athletics, especially, but yeah, it helps a lot tremendously in that aspect. I tried it all, Joe. I've done B-Klumb, I've done Astanga, I've done Pilates with the mega reformers. I've done it all Joe. I've done Bikram, I've done Astanga, I've done Pilates with the Mega Reformers. I've done it all. I tried everything. That's why when I walked away from the game, I ain't look back because I know I invested all the from yoga to Bikram to Astanga to Pilates to the way I trained to the way I ate. I ain't got nothing else to give.

It kept you right. right kept you strong. No didn't harm it did it did I was flexible I still had to have both heels replaced Joe, but I you know what I might check it out Man y'all come down here. I'm coming. I'm coming. I got you. I'm gonna take care of y'all man We get y'all right. Hey, look, okay. Hey, baby one still better move around. Oh Joe listen what let me tell you something. You see I take one of these right here All right, hey look, Ocho is the age, baby. We want to still be able to move around. Oh, hey, hey, hey, Joe, listen, what? Let me tell you something. You see, I take one of these right here. I take one of these forks.

I can move now. Woo! Hey, I can move. Joe, hey, Joe, hey, Ocho, I don't need to do anything for this right here. That's all I need to move and I need to do. And other stuff, you talking about Joe. I don't need to do all that.

You doing too much now. Hey, Joe, baby, we appreciate you joining back up I can join us again soon man. Oh really? Hey, hey, I appreciate Your team what whose team is better you beat me sixty sixty sixty sixty thirty four Come on, so you yeah, I know. Come on, I told you. Yeah. I know a little bit. I know a little bit. I know a little bit. I appreciate your time, man.

I appreciate your joke. All right. Hey. Hey. Hey. OK, that was good. Oh, man. That was good.

I told you that was great, man. I enjoyed it. I see it from time to time around here. When I come back to Atlanta, I do see it from time to time. Yeah. But I'm going to check this place out. Next time come back to Atlanta, I do see him from time to time. But I'm gonna check his place out next time I come to Atlanta. I'm gonna set some time aside.

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