Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Justin Fields is NOT THE ANSWER + Patriots DYNASTY is BACK with Vabrel + Lamar Jackson RANKED as OVERRATED

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the New England Patriots beating the New York Jets on Thursday Night Football, the New York Jets almost hired Mike Vrabel before the Patriots jumped in and hired him, Bleacher Report ranks their top 5 most overrated quarterbacks and much more! 2:47 - Patriots beat Jets29:53 - Jets almost hired Mike Vrabel before Patriots did37:19 - Bleacher Report ranks their top 5 most overrated QBs (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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out my media company page on all of its platforms. That's ShayShay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Ocho, the Patriots, looked awful impressive. They beat the Jets 2714.

I don't know. They looked impressive. The Jets aren't good. but the Patriots look good. I mean, those first couple of drives, Drake May was with Brady-esque. I'm talking about precision. Stefan Diggs had been re-invigorated.

He looks good. Treveyorne Henderson is running extremely hard. Two touchdowns on the ground, one in the air. Drake May 25 or 34, 281, one touchdowns. I thought overall, I thought they played well. But who, let, let's, before we get to the jazz, let's highlight the Patriots, Oh, Joe. yeah okay okay Mike Brable has done an unbelievable job you go I'm let you go ahead

hell of a job hell of a job listen Mike Brable I'm not sure what he did once he got there but he's done one hell of a job obviously it makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's playing out of his mind and only his second year in Drake may in the division they three and oh obviously the talk has always been the school they're supposed to go to the Super Bowl this is their year the buffalo bills they're two and two in the division, the goddamn, the Patriots have dominated all season long. Being nine and two, this is something I wasn't expecting, being, being the fan of the game of football that I am, I didn't think they would be this good.

They have been really, really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously the supporting cast, the defense has played well. Stefan Diggs is playing out of his mind. He's playing out of his mind. He's playing very, very good football. Matt Collins is out there making plays. Douglas doing well as well.

And Trayvon, is it Trayvon Henderson? Am I saying the right? Trayvon Henderson. Trayvion, man, listen. But young bull, nice, boy. Young, young bull is really, young bull real nice. Hey, he's one of the few running backs, too, on the field that can hit his head off the goalposts.

Oh, he got speed to play with. Oh, yeah, he got speed, got speed to burn. So, man, they look really good. They look really good tonight, man. And on defense, hey, that got, hey, that got damn Christian Gonzalez. Hey, he nice. Oh, he, oh, he flew it. Hey, listen, he's nice.

He needs, I know he's been injured a little bit, but he needs to be in the conversation of top five D.Bs, especially. Oh, yeah, yeah, he is. I mean, you know, PS2, Stingley Jr., him, you know. Those are your top, I guess people like J.C. Horn. Some people like J.C. Horn. But I think, I think Gonzales, I think PS2, and I think Stingley Jr.

I think those are the top three corners in my book. Because they all present. Yes, sir. Oh, very different. Now, Gonzales and PS2, they got kind of similar body types. They're tall, angular. Stingler is a little bit more compact, probably a little bit, a little more, because a little, probably a little stronger

because of the way he, the way he's built. But if you look at the way PS2 and the way he glides, he and Gonzalez have very, very similar game. Yeah. Yeah, trivia on here to the A, had two rush and one in there. one yeah they threw him one uh but yeah this is this is oh cho this is a very good team they're very well coach and now you see why that after one year mr crafts like you know what gerard i really hate to pull the plug this quick but this coach is proven uh and it's too good to pass up and

if we don't do this now there's a good he'd be going somewhere else yeah he'd be going somewhere Because if you think about it, the Falcons interviewed Mike Brable, Mike McDonald at Seattle. They interviewed like four guys that are doing extremely well right now. And they said it on Rahim's going to have to get this thing, he's going to have to get this thing turned around. But just watching New England, they don't beat themselves. I know, you know, Brable doesn't really mention a whole lot, but I think he took a whole lot playing under Coach Belichick. The mannerism, now he's not as, he's not as stoic on the sideline. He's waiting to give his guys high five coming off the field.

He's waiting to hug his guys. You watch him in the hallway, Ocho, when they're coming out to field after Big Rick, big, he's hugging everybody. Hey, come on, get in here. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. He's a guy I would love to play for.

He's the type of guy that you love to play for because he ain't going to sugarcoat it. Now, Ocho, you know exactly where you stand with Mike Brable. Yes, sir. Oh, Cho. Take your time. Take your time. I tweeted a little bit, but I just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think people are going to like, man, you pick it on the guy. But at some point in time, Ocho, I'm not so sure Justin Fields is going to ever be what a lot of people thought he would become.

Ocho, let me give you some of these stats. He was 3-4-11. He got injured in the fourth quarter for 27 yards. Yeah. He played the entire game against the Broncos. he was 9 of 17 for 45 yards. He played the entire game against the Carolina Panthers. He was 6 of 12 for 46 yards.

And lost to Cleveland, he was 6 of 11 for 54 yards. And 42 of those yards came on a screenplay. Screenpad, did we solve. Tonight, before the final drive, he had 75 yards passing. Yes, sir. I think A.D. Mitchell left his hands in Indy. yeah hey oh listen listen now now he he ended the game with 75 yards right no he had a hundred to 16 but before that before that final drive he got 41 of the

16 right so so one of the things that I do want to say before before we pile on Justin field I want to talk about some of the drop passes 80 Mitchell two big plays they play two big plays in the first half before half you got the had those you got that goal ball yeah it's oh man hey umk you you got to have that hey it's perfect though outside shoulder away from the db you can't ask for anything more than that oh joe you got you got to have that's that's perfect red line you pull that in then the uh the wheel route the out the out and up you know adjust yourself slow down a little bit you know it perfect perfect ball outside shoulder db has no way to make a play had no way to make a plan you got to had that so those

those are those are passes that you you got to help your questions you got to help your question quarterback out sometime. You got to help your quarterback. And that's why the stats look like, look the way they look. Sometimes they drop past. Yeah, he had a, he had a couple of drops, but there was a couple, Ocho. He had 80, yeah, and 80 probably would have dropped it. But he had him on, he had him on the, he had him on the, he had him on. Oh, Joe, that's a simple pitching catch.

Oh, he threw a wide. Oh, you put that on him. Because here's the thing, the DB is probably retreating. You put that on him. Now I get to face you up. There's a chance I can make you miss at least. At least, I caught it at five and bare minimum, Mocho, I'm gonna get a first down.

I might make you missing get even more. I'm like, Justin, to start the game, you can't, because what do we always say, Ocho, give me something, I just wanna get my hand, I just wanna touch the ball. Just let me touch it. You ain't gotta give me nothing sophisticated, just let me catch a hit, let me catch a stick, let me catch a shallow crawler.

I just wanna touch the ball. You give it to me early, you got me late. Yeah, Justin, how, how, on a, on a five-yard hitch route, you miss a guy that far outside. And listen, that goes for the quarterback too. Most of the time,

some quarterback, they don't want to come out with anything neat. They want something short. They want a nice low checkdown to get themselves in a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the game and not really chase the game but allow the game to come to them.

And that's what you want. You want a slant. You want a hit. You want some, you know, short. But I think right now, I'm not sure. with as bad as the Jets are, everyone around Justin Fields

has to be almost dead. But they don't have that. They have to raise their level of play. They got to raise their level of play to catch up or to make sure they can overcome for Justin's mistakes or his lack of confidence right now. You have to.

That's what you need. You need that kind of dog out there. And he didn't play tonight. I think Gary Wilson is on IR right now. So he's going to miss the next now three games after the night. And then, boy, they got the mustard up. They got the mustard up, you know.

Those that are there, John Beach, John Meachy, made some, made some plays. John Messy, I'm sorry, I apologize, Messy. Yeah, he made some plays tonight. Tide in, you know, a little checkdown play. But that's, yeah, you got to have that catch. That tied in on a fourth down, you got to hold that one. You got the first down and you're getting lazy because you take it so long to split the ball to you.

The guy's driving. And bring it in. Yeah, yeah, he's driving on me. Damn. But outside of that, man, listen, the Jets, they, they didn't play that bad. They didn't. They really just couldn't get off the field.

In that first half, Ocho, they couldn't get off the field. Yeah. I mean, they get them in third, they get them in third and four, third and five, they get a first down. They get them in third and ten, they get a first down. They just could not get off the field. And I'm like, okay, they rushed three, they rush four, they bring pressure, they still didn't get there.

I'm like, well, damn, how difficult, I mean, man, how difficult. isn't. And you're right. And I think a lot of times the drops, maybe that, that messes with, with, with, uh, Justin Fields' confidence because he's like, well, am I doing something? What am I doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible and then he'll drop a dime. He'll throw two terrible. Yeah. He'll throw another dime. He had, he had, he had, he had, he had, he had, he had, he Gonzalez in the ass. Mm-hmm, yeah, he was beat.

And that's the thing. When you get a guy beat down there, Ocho, you know, you're already struggling as an offense. You can't miss our, and that's what I tweeted. I say, Mitchell, you're not that good offensively to, oh, you're not that good of a team to overcome those kind of mistakes. That's a flat-out drop. And they're not.

And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin Fields and he's struggling, but they don't have the receivers. They don't have a chase or a Jetta or one of these top. light receivers that get, or a couple of them. They need more than one. They need a couple of them that can elevate them. And I just, I just. Yeah.

It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. And listen, not only that, they're not playing well. They let two of their best players on defense go. Obviously, you got, you got players for them. So you would hope those players that you got in the trade can step up and play the par. obviously it's 80 is 80's first week this is first game too right this is the first game

it's the first time he caught a pass this ain't the first time he read or right i mean i mean you tell me it's football you say no matter where you go wherever you play right right right right right right right like i'm not listen i'm not making no excuses for him you have you have to you have to you got to and with justin fields out excuse me with garret wilson out you're supposed to be their best receiver because at the cold they had high expectations until you got into shane Stikin's doghouse with that fumble. It was never the same after that. Now, maybe there was something going on.

Maybe that was the final straw that broke the Campbell's back, Ocho. But from that point on, it wasn't the same. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock Elite Gaming Tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors.

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came on the final drive. I just don't know how you move on and become what people thought you were going to become when they took you as a top draft pick. Now, you know, I think you were 15 to 16. Something like that, Ocho. I just don't see the consistency. I don't see, I don't see him. One, two, check it down.

One, two, three, out of bounds. One, two, gone. I don't see that. And you know as a quarterback, the really good ones? Yes. Back foot hit. Okay, I'm dropping back. I know to play, Ocho.

I'm dropping back. Already are going through it. Okay, we've gone through the course of the week. Cover one. go here cover two we go there quarters we go here number five we go there sky six we already know so when you back it up the same has already told you what it's due single high safety oh I know I'm going right now oh he's covered let me let me see what two is is too there okay let me take this check down oh Joe yeah see

it seems like it's like he got a dial-up service he ain't got that by G they said they got something they got 10 G up in China say you cut the phone it already gone to what you're looking for yeah yeah most definitely. I think the fact that also with the officer line not not playing as well as they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit, not being able to go through his progression and understand, listen, pre-snap, okay, I'm seeing what they're doing. And once that ball snaps, you know, obviously you want that you want that head straight down the field, not giving anything away and not having the time to be able to go through his read. In progression, I think he speeds

things up and hurries throws, he rushes throws to hurry to get the ball out of his hands too. I mean, Ocho, I'm looking at against Buffalo, he averaged 2.5 yards of the attempt, against the Broncos, 2.6 yards per attempt. Against Carolina, 3.8 yards per attempt. Against Cleveland, 4.9 yards of attempt. That's not even a running back average is squat if he's doing that. Imagine if you're a quarterback and that's what your yards per attempt did. That is horrible.

Yeah, it's bad, but also, you know, also, you know what else? it also comes down to the weapons around you. It also comes down to what do you have, what is your supporting cast like? Now you take a Justin Fields, here, hypothetically speaking, right? So you keep the same office and you put a Jamar Chase or you put a Justin Jefferson,

you put a T. Higgins or you put any of the top tier, top tier receivers on that team together. You know, a one in a one or one or a one or a decent. 1A1B, 1A2. Yeah, hey, it looked completely different because they can overcome for all the woes that Justin Fields may be having. They can overcome all that. The small stuff, you got Jamar Chase crazy ass, could take a goddamn flint and the goddamn hitch, 80 yards. You got T. Higgins, any ball you throw to him, which was considered for most receivers, 50-50, hell with him, it's 90-10.

Like small stuff like that where you have players that can elevate their play to overcome. for your your shortcomings it makes things easier but they just don't have that therefore everybody else has to raise their level of play and damn there be perfect but and that that's the issue that's the issue they have look at the guys that you just mentioned they had their best seasons if you think about it what do the guys do really well process information really really quickly oh yeah go back and look at joe very fast now go back and look at joe flacco it doesn't even look like chase is falling off because no flacko back foot here I'm going to it is it eyes already cousins are Sam Darnel you couldn't tell who was in there with Jenna yeah because they process

information quickly you and that is the number one thing how well do you download information and how quickly can you disseminate it I don't care I don't care what type of arm you got I don't care what I got but leg you got can you a hey if I input that information, Ocho, how soon can you spit it back out? Yeah, and the funny thing about it, it's not only being able to process it, not only being able to spit it out, but you know it makes it

even easier, the motherfucker you throw into on the other end of the ball. But I, oh, Joe, it makes it that much easier. But see, now you got me, okay, I run a hitch route. Now you go, I got me, well, do I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because I'm anticipating because I don't know where it's going to be. I know

normally, I'm going to get a hitch. I will get it the framework of my body, Ocho, because he's not going to be under pressure because it's one, two, three, boom, balls out. So he's not going to be up under pressure. So I think I'm going to get the ball somewhere in here, here, here, I'm, Ocho, not out here. Yeah, yeah. So it makes it difficult. It's like sometimes when you're dealing with a mobile quarterback, it's hard to adjust

to them, Ocho, because I run my route and next thing, I know he well, the crowd's screaming. I'm like, damn, what happened? He way over there. I'm like, well, damn. So it's hard when your quarterback is inconsistent. I don't give a damn who the receiver is. You want some consistency at that position, but you want somebody that can digest information.

The coach put it in, and he spit it right back out in the form of getting the ball out of his hand. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong, but I just don't know if he's ever going to be what many thought he would be, especially when you look at the game that he had against, who did he play against Clemson? You look at that game that he had against Clemson.

And he was sensational. Yeah. And I was like, okay, now, playing with those guys that he had, Alave and Garrett Wilson and all those guys, we understand. See? See?

But you realize once you get to the NFL, the likelihood of you having five receiver that are five stars or be that type of guy, The likelihood is not very good. Yeah. Does he have a chase? No.

Does he have a Jetta? Does he have any of the top, top receivers? No. Now, what I will say, now what I will say, he does have Garrett Wilson. Yes. Now, Garrett Wilson was, who had a phenomenal, who had a phenomenal rookie year. With lesser quarterbacks, if you look at him, if you look at him, if you just put them on paper and you say, look at what was throwing to Garrett Wilson when he won offensive

rookie of the year. And you look at what's throwing to Gary Wilson. Now, if you just look on play, just eight. You're like, man with Justin Fields, he's about to go crazy. And he played with him in college. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, listen, Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal talent. Nothing should taper off when you have a talent like that. It's so easy. When you look at what they're able to do with Devonty Adams and pooping the cool. Hell, JSN. And obviously, I don't think the Jets' officer coordinator has that kind of creativity. to put in you and Justin, Justin Fields, to use Garrett Wilson in the right type of way

to create those mismatches like the other team do. I ain't got nobody to get in the ball, Ocho. I can give you all the nice ingredients I won't, but if you down can't cook, what the hell have I done? I spent a whole lot of money on great food, great ingredients, and I know you can't make a dish with it. It comes down to it, Ocho. Go look at chop and the iron shelf,

And they get these, they get these people, okay, I'm going to give you chocolate. I'm going to give you onions. I'm going to give you stone crabs. And I'm like, how did you even think of this? Yes. But you give somebody, you can give, oh, okay, I'm going to give you steak. I'm going to give you this. I'm going to give you that.

And you're like, what I, what I'm supposed to make? Mm-hmm. I just, I hope I'm wrong, chat. I really do. But I just, I just, and I've seen. him and I watched him. Now, this man has gone through three head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators.

Yeah. And sometimes you get lucky and you get to, you get a Sean McVeigh or you get a Kyle Shanahan. But I just don't, I just don't know it because at the end of the day, the quarterback position is all about processing information and spitting it back out. That's what it comes down to. It is. I mean, I don't care how big your arm is.

I don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it, Ocho? because that's a whole different ballgame because not only much you process it you got to realize they got they got five on most occasions they got four guys that's really trying to tell your damn head off oh yeah absolutely you in fear for your life but also you've got to calm yourself down and says you know what yeah one two check down one to throw it out of bounds one two if that I'm out yeah it's all about that clocking yeah maybe maybe maybe put him in hurry up the game because it seems

like you know when he's in hurry up he's better yeah yeah mm-hmm it didn't bumble no yeah I mean that's on the that's on the center too that's on the center come on that's the NFL now put the put put the snap at the media's it should be the snap the snap should come in the same area every single time. You go through that all goddamn week. I mean, like, come on now. Come on, center. Don't do that.

Don't do that. A little. Man, the ball hit his, the ball hit his ankles. But you know what? It's just that, you know, take that, take that away. They got three points out of that.

Give the defense credit because I thought the defense gave it one touchdowns and two field goals in the second half. Yeah. They did force the three and out on the first possession of the second half. which is kudos.

You know, you see, I think the Jets won the toss, and they took the ball. They drove the ball right down the field, something they normally don't do. It normally ends in a punt or turnover, and they drove the ball. I think they had the ball like 14 plays and drove the ball and punched it in the end zone.

But I just, Lord, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see where he's ever going to be more than what he is. I don't think he's ever going to be turning to what. And that's okay, because everybody ain't going to be a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not going to be Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But, I mean, I think if the Jets could be okay, if he was just like middle of the road, you just can't be, you can't be the bottom tier.

I'm not saying you got to be top tier, but, I mean, if we got that kind of, if we got, Chad, if you can see this, if we got this much space, can you be somewhere in here and not be down here? In the middle. Right. Can we get that, Ocho? Mm-hmm. You know what else is all come down to?

Not only all the intangibles and all the nuances that we're talking about, but unless you got confidence on, ain't nothing happening. You got to be able to play with confidence. You have to be able to play with confidence in everything that you do. And one of the most important positions where you need confidence is the most important. The goddamn quarterback. It's the most important.

Oh, absolutely the most important. Because if you don't believe, you got to be able to. Your body language, your aura is going to say, if you don't believe, I don't believe either. I mean, if you don't trust your skill, why you won't meet? That's why I used to get in the car, Ocho, that joke. Somebody butt in their seatbelt, fast in their seatbelt. Hell, I fast in mind.

You know something I don't. I'm going to play. So, I've been around quarterbacks when they walk into the huddle, you know. They know what the hell they do? It's the way they carry itself. And they give you the confidence that you know what the hell you do it. Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. Man, this. Yeah, I, I hope they get it together. I'm not sure what direction they're going to go in. But the way they've started so far and letting sauce go and letting. They had a rebuild. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I just, wait, listen, but who are you going to start over with the quarterback? Yeah, I believe so. You're going to start with a new quarterback? I believe so. You're going to draft another one. You're going to draft another one? I believe so. I mean, I don't know if there's any

quarterbacks that's going to become available. Yeah. Probably Sam Donald didn't want any parts of New York again, which I wouldn't blame him. You know, but look, I mean, every day it seems like I hear a story about somebody that played there having an interaction with the owner

and it's never positive and it's never good. Right. Yeah. And with that situation, I hope AG gets at least three years because it's not like you had a powerful roster begin with and now you stripped him of his two best defensive players so he's got to get at least two years and without a quarterback you can give him five years

and he's still not going to get it done because you're not as hard it's damn near impossible and I know well y'all did it in 22,000 with the raid with Trent Dilfer they don't allow you to play football like that no absolutely not you don't play football like that anymore the rules are different so no ain't there's nobody winning another super

bowl like we won it or like Tampa won it in 02 you're not because they won't allow you to play defense like that your quarterback is going to have to stand in the pocket and he's going to have to make plays throwing the effing football yeah he's going to be able to use his legs to get out of harm to weigh some but he's going to have to be able to throw the football the days of oh we got a killer defense and we're going to run the ball no you're not not no you're not you're not you're not going to you're not going to win very many games like that because once the team gets ahead on you once the team gets ahead on you 10 14 points and you can't run your way back into a game absolutely let me ask you this ocho do you like

kailer murray because i i believe there's i believe there's going to be a separation of church and state in in in arizona uh-huh yeah most definitely because i think cala mary is healthy i think he got me personally i think he's healthy but they're continuing to want to go Jacobi Brissette based on how he look and how the offense move with him, you know, the few weeks he's been in. If they do part ways with him, I'm sure Kalimer will be somewhere else next year. Yes, for sure. How would it look over in New York? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it's a fit. It all depends on AG. Obviously, outside of AG, you got to go to the higher powers and see if that's something that they want to look into, or do you want to go into the draft? Now, when you

when you think about some of the quarterback coming into the draft, you know, this year, is there a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there and change a franchise? I haven't seen anything like that this year. There have been some that have played good, but nothing that just blows you out the water. Like, you know, with that guy, we got to have him. I agree.

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They wanted Mike Brable more than anything else. So that's when he was the only way to take the Patriot's job. They made a last second call is anything we can do to give you the job. Full control, more money. What do you want? More, what more can we do to change your mind? Ocho? Yeah.

If you interviewed him, you should have, he should have never left your building. You shouldn't, hey, listen, you got to do that. You got to understand. You got to understand a coach like that, which is why Mr. Krabb did what he did. This is why Mr. Krabb did he understood. He understood the assignment. Ain't nowhere in hell. We have a quarterback.

I think we just have the right person in charge, you know, with a little structure, with a little discipline that can instill that patriot way. You know, Gerard Mayo, I think was well capable of doing so. They just didn't play well for Gerard Mayo. for whatever reason I don't know, but the team looked completely different under the tutelage of God damn Mike Braille. They look like a totally different team.

I, listen, hey, I don't know why, but listen, I don't think Mike Brable would have had success in New York anyway. He wouldn't have success. Hell, if you're going to have success, if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn sure I'm going to be able to do in New York.

I think, I think Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think. I think the thing is, you don't listen to date, like he and the owners started butting head, you know, you know how it was Ocho A. And, yeah, and, uh, you know, I guarantee she would she had Mike Brable now.

She's finding out, she's finding out the hard way. Yes, sir. She's finding out the hard way. Mm-hmm. I think the thing is Ocho, like when you're, when you're in that type of position, you're an ownership or you're a leadership, the one thing you can't be is impulsive. Yeah. Get mad.

You fired. You can't do that. Even though sometimes I understand that you might want to, you're never working this industry again. Right. She. Brable had, I mean,

think about it. And then they, they, they let Derek Henry go and they ended up trading, uh, uh, uh, AJ Brown.

Yes. Yes. Hey, listen, horrible decision, but AJ wanted out, but they were making horrible decisions. They wouldn't pay it.

was to try to yeah that that too but the trade was to try and better day team let's see what we can get for them and see if we can improve our team they drafted brother trailing berks who was supposed to i think i got my camera cut off yeah um i mean that that didn't pan out that didn't pan out too well so i mean it's just they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes to not only players but the coach is yes the coach is well you have you have a super bowl winning coach that knows what it takes to win he knows how to build a team obviously coming from the new way the the page way coming from the wingland you know what i have the formula i know what it takes it's not going to be the snap of a finger and you can't just take money and throw money at it

i need time now and with that time i need you to give me a quarterback if you give me a quarterback i'll take care of the rest he goes new england he has a quarterback okay you know what now we set we have a franchise quarterback for the next 10 to 15 years now mr crapp let me let me do the rest let me do the rest so what we see from the page is right now we're fin to see this for the next 10 12 15 years for sure because the one thing that you know about mr crab is that he'll get he'll step out of the way yes step out of the way now do i think he has more in common with brable than he did coach bellichick yes i do i think they just i think are the normal circumstance Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick probably would have budded heads.

But in a situation like where we're in, Ocho, I'm going to, hey, I'm minding gold and we're still finding it. Yeah. Now, if Brable takes that job and they can entice Sam Donald to come back because I do think Sam Donald says, okay, here's a coach that has control. I ain't got to, I don't got to worry about ownership. I ain't got to worry about no general manager. Mike Brable got control.

I'm not saying he has as much control, but I believe, right, who's the general manager? Didn't he couldn't, didn't the general manager come back with Brable? Yeah. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, some people take jobs and I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got no sale to 53. They got no sale of a 50, uh, free agency. They ain't got no sale to drive. Yeah, that, that's hard.

That's hard to be a coach in Tennessee or was he already there? I know he got great brayble more than likely has sale over 53 and has some say obviously draft because he knows what he wants he knows the type of player he knows the system that he's trying to run he knows the type of player that he needs the fit says he needs yes that's why coach bellichick a lot of times when he drafted players he wouldn't work them out himself but he needed to talk to him because the thing is you can't have a big ego and play for coach Belichick? No.

Because you say, well, check it at the door, nah, you got to leave your ego at home. Because, see, if you check it at the door, you might,

hey, see, if you know what to go back and get it. Yeah, nah, that ain't gonna work. No. That ain't going to work.

And matter of fact, it's not going to work with bravely either. Absolutely not. Hey, look, hey, hold on. What's the first thing we say about Stefan Diggs?

What's the first thing everyone says about Stefan Diggs? Well, hell, he looks like a whole different person. He seemed like a whole different person. No. that's just when you walk in that door

in New England and just something about that atmosphere they always talk about the Patriot way I can't explain it I was there it just the aura of the atmosphere just you you check yourself the standard is the standard automatically you just do it

is that your sound or my sound not in the wrong with me because you were speaking out your mouth was moving I didn't hear nothing oh my bad my bad my bad my bad You know, I'd be talking so goddamn fast, man, my bad. Yeah. But, man, look, the Patriot is going to be good for a long time

and what we thought was a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills are going to run this division for the next 10 years. That's not going to be the chase. This is going to be a dog fight in this division. Yes. It's going to be a dogfighting this division. Oh, but between two teams.

Oh, for sure. Between two teams. It's going to always, it's going to be always for the next decade. decade. It's going to be the Patriots or the goddamn bills. I agree. Oh, not your, uh, not your guppies. Who? Your guppies. Oh, no. Listen, listen, listen, the, listen, the, listen, the dolphins and the jets are in the same boat. They're in the sunni because they, they finish scrap, they finish up and clean house, too. They are. Oh, Joe, Bleacher Report ranks his

five most overrated quarterback. They named Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in the NFL said he may not just be one today's most overrated active quarterbacks but also of all time his two-time MVP status is borderline fraudulent his credentials don't measure up to other legends who've won the award on numerous occasions of the 10 players that have joined multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era jackson is the lone member without a Super Bowl ring all the others on that list include johnny unites Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Brett Farb, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Patrick Mahomes were able to take their team to multiple Super Bowl appearances and won at least once. Jackson has yet to even reach the big game. He's three and five lifetime in playoffs and has a 375 postseason winning percentage that stands far away the worst among multiple MVP winners.

First of all, Steve Young did not take no team to multiple MVP's. He was a backup. He took his team to one. to one Super Bowl, and he did win it. That was in 1994. He threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the charges. So let's, let's, yeah, I'd like to give context. Steve Young did not go to multiple Super Bowls. Now, also, if I'm not mistaken, I think Earl Morrill, didn't Earl Morrill start one of those Super Bowl for the, uh, the Colts?

Oh, you had a two in a, oh, you had a two in a, oh, Johnny United's deal or Earl? Earl, yeah. Miami. Miami. Miami, Johnny, Johnny went to two, uh, coast, uh, coast, one, uh, coast, one, went to two Super Bowls? I know they beat the Cowboys on the field goal.

He was only there for the cold, when they were in the 1970. Who, Johnny? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Look, I get it.

Yes. And, Ocho, we talked about this. this is the olbatross this is the elephant in the room you see the names that are on this list that have won multiple MVP's Lamar is the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl that's not to say his career is not ending tomorrow absolutely not which way everybody jumped on me when I said his career will be looked at as a disappointment if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl considering what he had accomplished. You base it on these other guys. See, you can't just look

well, he won two MVP's. You got to look at the company that he's in that's one to six MVP's. Now you start looking at it. You're like, well, damn, he has to get the one. Aaron Rogers went to one. He has to get to at least one. And then we look at him totally different.

He gets the one and he wins it. We look at him differently, Ocho. We just do. Yeah, absolutely. but yeah listen i understand the company that he keeps the fact that he's won two mvps the fact that he's one those nbps those that in the chat that are listening that are watching you have to understand that he's in a different clee's in a class of his own in a different class for that matter so when it comes to judging him he judged based off his um what he's not compadre's what's the word

i'm looking for his peers in the company you keep his peers he's he's judged based on his other peers that have won MVP's as well and most of them if not all have been to a Super Bowl whether they won a Super Bowl or not so he can delve off off of that but the whole overrated part is the part I don't like that's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing and only a seventh maybe eighth year I'm not sure which one it is it's ridiculous I think 18 was nothing about Lamar's first year yeah okay but but nothing about Lamar Jackson and would he bring to the table would he bring to the NFL, what do he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general and giving them a chance and having

them in contention every goddamn year? Nothing about that is overrated. That's the part I don't like. Now, that is more to me, it's more clickbait. There should be a different title when it comes to talk about the quarterbacks that have won MVP's and have been or won a Super Bowl. The title should be goddamn different. Overrated my goddamn man. Now, that's a bunch of bullshit. Let me ask you a question. But when you're looking at him, here's the thing, they're not, see, looking at him against his peers, they're looking at him against his peers that have won two MVP's. So when you look at him, look at the class that he's in, you compare them to my homeboy,

two MVP's, five Super Bowl appearances, three wins. You look at Peyton Manning, five MVP's, three Super Bowl appearances, two wins. You're looking at Tom Brake, move on. You look at, you're looking at Brett Far. How about this? Everybody on that list. Everybody on that list except one person is already done and not playing. Correct.

Everybody on that list is done and not playing. So how about we wait until he's done playing and then we justify whether he belongs in that company or not or whether he's overrated or not? And even if he doesn't go to a goddamn Super Bowl, what he's going to continue to do, the resume that he's going to put together, whether he wins three more MVP's and doesn't make a goddamn Super Bowl or not,

nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated I know the fact the way we judge quarterbacks is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware and all that but when it comes down to the nitty gritty when you're talking to people that played the game forget the media putt forget the pundits

forget those that never played the game nothing about young bull out of goddamn Pompano who plays for Boyne Beach High School is overrated whether he has a goddamn ring or not he will still go down is one of the best, the best quarterbacks

to ever play this goddamn game. How do we judge Damarino? Do we say Damarino is not winning the greats because he doesn't want to ring? Yes, but see, here's the thing, Ocho. G-R-E-A-T, great. Now, if we add E-S-T, one of the greatest,

that's what he's going for. You see, you said something very interesting, and this is actually true. Only quarter- quarterbacks get measured by wins and Super Bowl. No other, no other position, Super Bowls matter. Okay. Right.

Not like they do for a quarterback because, Ocho, even when Brady wasn't putting up numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships. Think about it now. Payton Manning had won multiple, multiple MVPs. Brady had three. Super Bowls, Manning had three regular season and MVP, they say, well, Brady's better.

Right. Because Brady has, as you was pointing to your fingers. That's how they, oh, I don't sit the rules. You see what happened with ring culture? You see. What is it done? It'll make people jump around and go try to find the best situation where they can win a ring. And then they shut you up.

And it's like, okay, I've already done what I needed to do now. They, no more argument. it's no more you're arguing at that point especially when it comes to basketball you have those that that have to chase the ring because of ring culture in the rules the unwritten rules matter fact how about that the unwritten rules because who the hell came up with it I don't know because they were saying they were saying Jordan was better than magic and magic had five rings they were saying Jordan was better than Byrd and Byrd had three MVP's in three rings he's the last I've got to win three consecutive MVP's.

You've got to go all the way back to wilt. So what has happened is that now I give you another one. The next couple of years, people are going to say, Shelle Ha'Ottani is the greatest baseball player we've ever seen. He's got four MVP's. He's got them unanimously. He's got two Super Bowl series wings, Ocho. He had one of the great postseason performance

where he struck out 10 and hit three home runs. Now, he messed around and get another one and went another World Series, who we, who, what we, who, what we, who what we, who what we're going to compare him to? Cause we, I mean, for MVP unanimously. Yeah, that's, that's crazy. That's crazy. So you see once you start, and Barry Barnes was so great, even everybody that played against him. So that is the greatest player that I've ever seen.

Greg Maddox said, well, it was really easy to pitch the back. if it matters you walked him he said his job was to get 27 hours you don't get them on him so pick the other guys to get it and figure it figure it out so when you look at it oh chole look it's hard to say a man a man like Lamar and maybe you're right maybe overrated is a harsh turn but I think if we they're looking they're looking at it as the ten in guys that have something that no other guys have. And that is, think about the NFL on you, how long has been going on. Hold on, stay with me.

Stay with me real quick now. So if we talk about hardware, right? And hardware puts quarterbacks in a different, in a different year where we're not just great, great is. So are we saying like Ben Rostersberger belongs in that tier two? Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier two? When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because they have brains? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, because here's the thing, Ocho. None of these, none of those guys have regular season MVP's. Okay. Oh, so there, there's, there, there's, there's, there's, there's, so we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, no, no, no. Let me ask you a question. Has anybody ever said Ben Rothensberger was greater than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning? No. So when you know, so when you look at it and so when you, when you look at it, you have to have regular season

MVP that those matter now when you when you start getting postseason MVP that means you won the Super Bowl so you see you see Brady has three regular season MVP's he has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVP so no matter what criteria you use it's going to be hard for somebody to overtake him unless my home boy gets five MVP it's let's just say for the sake of our right we have a compelling case if my home boy my home boy is not even 30 i think he just turned 30 he got a long way to yes so he got a long way to go and and the thing he just turned 30 so when you look at it oh cho i think that is the thing they're they're comparing him in this elite category elite yeah which is guys that have won multiple MVP's like it ain't

that many quarterbacks that's one two what is it uninas manning rogers Brady, Farr, Montana, Young, Warner, Mahomes. It's nine. Lamar makes 10. Yeah. He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl, what are they going to say, Ocho? Hon.

Be honest, you know what they're going to say. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what they're going to say. We know what they're going to say. But listen, I know what they're going to say, but I know what my eye hasn't seen all the years. I've seen him play. Let me do you one better.

They say guys that got Super Bowl reeds at the receiver position better than the Ocho because Ocho ain't got no rings, but you run circles around them on the field. You see how they did? You see how they did? You see how they did that? Yeah, I got you. I got this. I'm with you when you're right. Now picking up what you put down.

Yeah. So now, so just imagine, they do that for the receipt. So imagine if a quarterback, and that's what I said. Oh yeah. It's even, it's even worse. It's even worse. Now, I hate that, it's like that. I hate that it's like that.

It's somewhat of an unwritten rule, just like the unwritten rule of hockey when it comes to fighting, just like the unwritten rule in baseball. Like, I understand it. I hate that, it's like that. Hey, ring culture when it comes to talking basketball, huh? It matters.

It just does. Yeah, it matters, but that's just the way it is. But, I mean, it is what it is. I think, I think, um, with the way, obviously, they didn't, they didn't have a good year, a good start of the year they obviously they still can come oh you're trying the ravens yeah yeah i think they're going to win the division i think they're going to get a they're going to get a home

game whoa whoa whoa i think they're going to win the division so what about so what you think what you think we're going to do um so that's what i think you can do nothing i hold on hold on i'll tell you what i know i i tell you what and this i'm very serious tonight i'm very serious tonight but i tell you this i will give you guys a division if we lose to the steelers which i doubt we do If we lose to the Steelers, I say you guys are probably going to win the division at that point. But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers, that momentum, I tell you what, that momentum, the rest of the season is going to be hell. I don't give two, you know what? Two drop the dried up pigeon, you know what on concrete.

How bad our defense is? That momentum offensively, man, shoo, man, listen, man, I don't know. It's going to be tough. Now, if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it. It's a wrap. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, our season is over. Yeah, and so that's the thing because, you know, you look at Lamar and it's tough because in his era, he got my homes.

There are a lot of quarter, there are a lot of people that's going to get overlooked, just like they got overlooked. Ben didn't get the credit that he deserves. Drew Brees didn't get the credit that they deserved because why? They played in the era with SmackDown with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. And you're talking about guys that got eight regular season MVPs and 10. No, hell not. Tom is nine and 12 Super Bowl appearances with nine wins. Yeah.

That's crazy, man. And you know what's so funny, too, is we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled by the Peyton Mannings and the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Montana. And people don't understand how difficult the Aaron Rodgers, the Brent Far up, they don't understand, Brent Rodden, all these quarterbacks and it's 32 teams. It's 32 teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in each hand. Yeah.

Almost over 30 years that are. or tier one quarterback. Yeah. That just lets people know how difficult that position is and how special those are that are in those conversations that we're talking about.

And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations and went into MVP's and those unwritten rules kind of give you like a, he's not really there yet until he does this. So he got to get there.

I'm not sure when it's going to happen, but it's going to happen before his career. Yes. My bad, Tom has 10 Super Bowl appearances. god damn he has 10 oh that's crick lost to eli twice and lost to a nick foals yes oh and the trick yeah the philly special yeah yeah the philly special uh oh cho now here's the next five they had lamar number one had your love number two Justin Herbert number three Dak Prescott number four

Trevor Lawrence, number five. Now, Trevor Lawrence need to be with Lamar is. I'm going to put Lamar down there. If you're going to put Lamar on his list, I'm going to put him down at five. Right. Man, Trevor Lawrence, man. I don't think Justin Herbert's overrated.

Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh. The one thing we know about Jim Harbaugh? Yeah. He's going to win. Mm-hmm. they're going to play like their out defense and he gets he's going to get to a Super Bowl

I'm not going to say it's going to be this year yeah but he's definitely he's definitely going to get there and listen and the way Justin Herbert is playing this year too um man Justin Herbert is throwing that ball absolutely hey

a Quentin John it is Quentin Johnston Winston Quinn Johnston mm-hmm man young bull young bull got his confidence playing extremely well. Ladaris McConkey

playing extremely well. Kenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room, playing extremely well. So there really are no... The second. Now, I forgot about Arronday Gassing the second. Catching hell of that ball. Ben, Amarian Hampton, I think he's coming back.

He's coming back on the back end of the season. I think he's going to be back, no, off injury. They're going to make a nice little run. They're going to make a nice little run. Absolutely. will. Jordan Love,

he's going to have to get better, man. George Love is going to have to be better. I don't know if somebody doesn't got in his ear and talking about, bro, you got to push the ball down the field, man. You make too much money. You make too much money to be missing these throws.

And I'm not saying you're going to make every, you're not going to make every throw. I get that. I understand, and I'm not trying to minimize play in that position because that's a position I couldn't play. Very difficult. But come on, bro.

That's why they play. The more do you get paid, the more expectation and a burn that is placed on you. That's just the rules of engagement. Hey, can you imagine on? Can you imagine being responsible? Not only for a team, but playing the most important position on the field.

The ball is in your hands the most. They paying you $50, $55 million a year. Matter of fact, forget a year. They pay you $50, $55 million in six months. Six months. and I need you to carry this franchise. Yeah. Man, you're talking about pressure.

I know it's the game of football. It's what we all done since we were four years old. But man, man. Yeah, but look, I'm with you, Ocho. I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super Bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over. Hey, get that monkey off my back so I can go play free. please thank you you see think about it i give a proper example lebron james had two

mvp but he had never yeah hadn't be gotten to the finals he had two lost two and then all of a sudden he he won and got that monkey off his back yeah it was a wrap problem is you must rather let lamar get the thing get the monkey off his back he might get the might double you up go back to back jack yeah hey i got one question too is Now that we're talking about those unwritten rules, especially in these conversations when it comes to quarterbacks and MVPs, it was just on my, well, it's kind of different because Jalen Hertz,

Jalen Hertz has a Super Bowl MVP in a ring, so he's not in that conversation, correct? Okay. These are only guys in the Super Bowl era. Regular season MVP that have at least two regular season MVPs. Right. Okay, okay. There are nine guys, Lamar make the 10th.

Lamar's the only one that has. hasn't appeared any Super Bowl. Right, okay. And think about it. Peyton Manning never went back to back. Tom, Joe, and Mahomes are the only ones to go back to back. Of the group that, right. Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls.

Yeah. Kurt didn't. Kurt went 99. We won 2000. They went in 2001. And then he went again with Arizona. I think in, what was that, 2008?

I think it was 2008. Because 2009 was New Orleans, 2000, what you call them? Because seven was the Giants. Eight was the Steelers. Nine. Nine was, yeah, nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again.

Yeah. 11 was the Packers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah 11 was the Packers 12 were the Seahawks

Oh my man I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm just I'm just You know just Just going But like I said Ocho Once he gives that monkey off his back Ocho Yeah yeah you're gonna be fine And that shit hard

But now I'm gonna let's go Because we've been on this thing about 30 minutes Because you know why it's hard Because they say there's nothing like a game seven Well, in the NFL, every game is a game seven. Every game, wild card game is game seven. Division around, game seven. Conference final, game seven.

Super Bowl, game seven. Football, you play a game seven every time you step on the field in the playoffs in football. Matter of fact, four weeks. Yes. Four weeks of game seven. Yes. And you got to must it up and play your best football. You got to play your best football.

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