Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ken Griffey Jr., Chiefs remain undefeated, Dodgers World Series

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by MLB Hall of Famer Ken Griffey Jr to discuss Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs improving to 8-0 with a 30-24 win in OT against Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc, Ocho and Ken dive into the difficulty of the transition from college sports to pro sports, what it was like for Ken to play with his dad and what it means for Los Angeles Lakers LeBron and Bronny James to play together, Shohei Ohtani and the Los Angeles Dodgers beating the New York Yankees in the World Series and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:52 - Intro05:37 - Ken Griffey Jr intro06:16 - Bucs lose to Chiefs53:44 - Dak to miss multiple weeks01:03:00 - Christian McCaffrey returns01:04:55 - Saints fire coach(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's like his wife, his name, Melissa. Melissa Shatton asked me what time I go to bed. What bad? So he stays up till late. So we have him join us. He's on the East Coast. Y'all know who he is. He's an MVP. He's a 13 time all star,

three time home run Derby champ, a 10 time glow, gold glove winner, a seven time silver slugger winner. And, and one of the greatest baseball players of all time. My good friend, Ken Griffey Jr. Grip, what'd it do? Not man. What's going on? Man, I'm good man. We looking at the back. You got all the glow gloves up there. Is one missing? You know, it's up there. It's just on top.

The first one, people want to touch them. So, you know, I bring it down to them. You got to have one out for them. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot. I keep them up there. Well, thanks for joining us, Grip. Let's get to what we just saw.

We watched the Kansas City Chiefs remain unbeaten. The only unbeaten team in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes, 34, 44, 291, three touchdowns. Kareem Hunt, 27 carries, a buckle six. The game winning touchdown. Travis Kelsey had 14 catches, 100 yards. D Hop, eight for 86, two touchdowns. Ocho, you and I talked about this last week that he was going to get even more involved this week.

Andy Reid said he was going to get him more involved. In overtime, he wanted him to do what Travis Kelsey did against Buffalo. There's nobody over him. He wanted him to belly and Patrick was going to put the ball on him, Ocho. But he hadn't been there a while. He doesn't know that. So he's running what he would probably run in any other office. Ocho, when you watch this game last night, what did you like most about what you saw from the cheese and pulling out this victory? Listen, for one, what I like most about the cheese. I want to mention D hop first. I want to mention D hop first and being there for a week and a

half or whatever it may be. Obviously last week he had two catches. He was, he wasn't a part of the offense just yet. But it D hop today looked like the D hop of all he had for 86. He was able to get open. And it seemed like he's finding a nice rhythm and chemistry, obviously, with with Patrick Holmes outside of that play that you that you talk about. The cheese always find a goddamn way to win.

I don't I don't I don't understand. I don't know what's going on. A lot of people always complain or the rest are on their side or the or the call that they always get are always timely and always in their favor. But Patrick Mahomes is special because when it matters most, he always finds a way to come through and make the plays that matter most in the most opportune times when it counts. And that's what I saw again from him tonight. Griff, you watch this game in its entirety. You a big football fan. What did you like?

What did you like about the cheese? Because the Bucks gave them all they can handle. Give Baker Mayfield credit. Ocho, they're down a touchdown under two minutes to go. He leads them down the field. Tied the ball game up. You know, you go to overtime and a lot of times. So whoever gets the ball first and they can't see they got the ball first.

And they are the rest of that, as we say, is history. Griff, what did you like about what you saw in this game? But it's unbelievable. I mean, Patrick, you can't say enough of them. I mean, Jeff, he's just phenomenal. You know what I do like is the maturity level that Baker has shown over the years. I mean, he's come a long way from Oklahoma to now. I mean, that's the most impressive thing that I saw is how he he's adapted to being a professional

now compared to that college life. But you know, that team is is well- oiled and they're a lot of fun to watch, uh, you know, seven and oh, I mean, it's just, what can you say? I mean, they're a team that you gotta, you gotta prepare for day in and day out. You know, you're hoping that they get a Bible week. So, uh, uh, they get a little rusty, but they go rusty anytime soon. Yeah. You look at them, uh, and grip the two

end season acquisitions. They get Kareem hunt. They lose Pacheco Kareem hunts, give them the balance in the run game. They need to go down a couple of receivers. They go out and make the trade for D hop. That's team that says we're going for it. A lot of teams talk about, Oh, we're trying to win and we're going to go for it, but we don't see the moves that they make to show us that they're going for it. Kansas city cheese. They're going for it. But we don't see the moves that they make to show us that they're going for it. Kansas City Chiefs, they're going for it. I don't believe they're done. I believe they're going to try to add another piece, Ocho. Because they say, look, I think they're going to try to add a corner. Right. Because they want to shore up that

side. Because if you notice tonight, there wasn't a whole lot of pressure. You know, spags like to bring pressure. Yeah. And you can bring pressure if you got two dogs on the edge. Remember they had Snead last year, Mcduffy. Mcduffy is as good as we have in this league at the corner position. So I don't believe the Chiefs are done yet. Well, tomorrow we'll find out if they're done or not. But they a lot of teams talk about it. The Kansas City, Kansas City Chiefs be about it.

They are about it. I like I like what I saw with Give Tampa credit. Now, obviously, they ended up losing the game. But I agree with you Griff if you look at what he was in college He did in Cleveland But he's found a home now He had a short stand in Carolina for whatever reason that didn't work out the Rams We knew that wasn't gonna work out that was only because he was there because of staffer got it got injured And so we know he wasn't gonna unseat Stafford, but to go to Tampa find a home

He had two quality receivers. Although both of them are out for the time be our Chris Godwin is out for the the the season. We don't know when Mike Evans is coming back. Maybe a couple of weeks He tweaked that hamstring again, but they have a solid team. They have a solid team tweak that hamstring again. But they have a solid team. They have a solid team. Atlanta seems to be the cream of that division right now, Ocho, because they're good offensively defensive. They can throw the football. They got a nice running game with Bijan Robinson and Algier. But right now, the Kansas City Chiefs at eight and O, everybody's like, who is going to be the team to knock them off? Somebody, somebody got to knock them off at some point. And what I think the Chiefs want to do is you want to taste defeat a little early. You want to take defeat a little early so it doesn't happen later on,

especially in the goddamn playoffs. I know it's one thing you think about the Patriots when they had their undefeated season. Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure the Chiefs are built that way offensively to actually go undefeated and beat everybody that's on the remainder of the schedule. But I think that you want to get a loss, you want to get that sour taste out your mouth and get one out the way.

But, dog, I have a question for you. I have a question for you and Griff. Who do you think is playing better now at the quarterback position? Lamar Jackson, both of them are getting it done in a different way. Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes? Well, if you look at the totality for the entirety

of the game is Lamar and Jerry Golf is playing better than Patrick Mahomes. Okay, okay. Patrick Mahomes played well in moments. When you, when it's a moment, it's kind of like Griffin, you could equate this like a guy might be struggling at the plate, but he come out with runners in scoring position and it's the bottom of the ninth or the eighth inning and he gets a hit.

He drives into or he drives it over the fence. That's what my home. My home is a big game hunter. You know, the bigger the game, the better he's going to play. The bigger the game, the better he's going to play. The bigger the moment, the better he's going to play. And he's the one guy you trust because he's been in more of those moments than all the other quarterbacks combined in the NFL. Once Tom Brady left, nobody has been in bigger moments, came up that big in bigger moments than one Patrick Mahomes. Griff, what do you like

about what you see from Mahomes when you see him in moments like that? Well, I mean, you know, big, big time players go to big time situations and they produce and that's the key. I mean, you know, his track record speaks for himself. He goes on there. Like you said, sometimes he get like a little quirky sometimes. But for the most part, when it's time to lock in, he gets locked in. And you want that and you want that from, you know, your leaders in your team

and in baseball the same way. I mean, we got guys that, you know, are streaky. And but that guy that comes in and they know he owns them. It's a different at bat. You can see how I walk to the plate. He got a whole different swag to, you know, because sometimes, you know, he walked in the play, do like, I got to face this guy. And then all of a sudden they bring in somebody and he knows he's like,

you know, eight for 14 against him. He got a whole new approach. And sometimes, you know, you need that. And Patrick, like I said, he's phenomenal. I mean, it was a lot of fun to watch the game, especially at the end when he said, win it. I mean, that's what you want. Yeah. It ain't about, you know, he said, I want to win it. So we're going to win it.

And that's what you want from your leaders. Griff, let's try to equate this. Like you see Kansas City, they're going for the three P and we see some of the moves that they've made. They bring in a D hop, they bring in a Kareem hunt and the trade deadline is tomorrow. And I don't believe they're done. I still believe they're going to try to go out and get a number one corner to pair alongside Trent Mcduffie.

When you were playing baseball and you were on teams and they're like, okay, we're going for it. Were you like, were there a particular player out there that you thought might be available that you guys can break in when you had those great teams in Seattle? When you and a rod and Edgar Martinez and your hand, Randy Johnson, would you like, man, if we just have, if we need a, if we had one more bat or we had one more picture or we had a setup man, or we had a closer, did you like guys go get somebody,

but you know, the teams that want to win are going to do it. I mean, as a player and I speak from a players point standpoint right now, when you see an ownership, go out and get somebody to help your ballclub. It not only energizes the players and energizes the whole locker room, energizes the front office and also energizes the fans who are going to, you know, and they're the ones paying the money to come see you play. So for me, when they go out and get a player, you know, I was a hired gun one time in my career. I went from Cincinnati to Chicago.

And, you know, just to get into the locker room and the guy, you know, thanking me and stuff like that. And, you know, it's an unbelievable feeling. But also, you know, you still got to go do a job and, you know, it's on the job training because, you know, you talk about how he had been there a week, you know, and I looked at an NFL playbook and I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cover two, cover three. Just do do this. The Brow tree up over there like, no, just I want to be a running back.

Just open the hole and let me run. But yeah, Griff, you don't have all the let me ask you this, Griff, when you go to the plate, you know, this picture, because at this point in time, for the most part, after about five or six years in the league, obviously, there are pictures coming in, pictures coming in every single year, but you're very familiar with a lot of guys, what they like to throw. They like to throw your way to like the high and tight you.

They got a slider, they got a curve. They got a slurred ball. They got a knuckle change, a cut or whatever the case may be. When you go up there, you let's just say you're facing Greg Maddux or Tommy Glavine. What are you thinking? What am I thinking? Well, I hit a ball out in 1992 and all star game against Matt Dog.

And I didn't see that pitch again. He never threw it to me again. You know, great, great pitchers and great hitters don't forget things. You know, we just were built like that. You know, guys that come in and throw certain pitches. But a lot of it has to do with situations. You know, guy on first base, I'm lefty. I'm trying to hit a ball in the hole.

Guy on second, I'm still trying to get him over, but I'm not giving up in it. Bad guy on third with less than two outs. I'm trying to drive him in, you know, fundamental baseball because I came up as the number two hitter. I've got a second. So I had to do all the little things. Then I went to fifth. They were like, we're going to teach you how to drive and runs. So I learned to drive and run. Then they stuck me a third. Once I got the third, I was like, oh,

this is where I belong. The rest of this, you know, but it, you know, year and a half of, you know, going through batting second, batting second, batting fifth, learning the game. And people don't understand, learning the game is not something that is very easy. You know, going from college, you guys to pros, it's a whole different animal.

And same thing in baseball. You know, you got one guy that's, you know, throwing 95 and able. Well, you've got. 20 guys on the staff, you know, 13 guys just going the same thing. Right. You know, and all of them have different, you know, release points and things, but you just got to sit there and study. I mean, we can break it down to how many breaths a guy take before he throws this fastball.

Does he inhale or exhale, you know, just like you guys, you know, offensive lineman, if this knuckles is a certain way, it's a run. If I see pressure, yeah, I see pressure, it's rolling. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, we look at the same thing to find the fine details make you successful. You know, a guy that will go from the stretch if he has his, you know, he comes set and his glove is above his chest and he's, you know, throwing a certain pitch. If it's down low, he's throwing another pitch. And you just watch. And like a couple of years ago, a lot of pitch here was pitching in.

You know, I call 15 straight pitches from my couch because I see it. You know, and that's what you got to do. If you want to be successful, you got to study. You got to do it day in and day out. It's just not, you just show up at the ballpark. They tell you what's going on. No, you got to learn the fine details of your craft. Hey there.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. ["I'm On My Way To You"] So you're saying if you bat, so you have to change. So if you bat lead off, you have to do a certain thing because as a lead off hitter, you're trying to get on base as a two, you're trying to push, you're trying to push the lead off to second or get into third. If you can drive him in, you drive me at third. Maybe you got two guys.

And so basically the top five, the top five batters all have a different task, but they're trying to do the same thing. Yeah. We all have different jobs. Uh, you know, you look at a lead off hitter, his job is to make sure that number three and number four see enough pitches. So he may take, you know, uh, a ball right down the middle. Okay. So the guys can get their timing to hit, you know, cause, cause guys, you know, they, what are we looking at? OK, how does change? If he if he can't throw his change up over for a strike, we ain't swinging at it.

Right. You know, so we got to learn these things. And usually, you know, nowadays, you know, the guys 20 home runs would get you paid. Back then, you know, guys weren't thinking about 20 home runs. You know, when I came up, I my dad hit 22. I thought I was going to be just like him. When I hit 22 home runs, I literally called him. It was like, I tied you. And that was like a big moment for me because I was like, that's, you know,

I patterned my game after my dad. And, you know, that was the fun part. And he said, you know, here way more home runs than I am. You know, driving more runs and I'm looking at him like, you know, because sometimes you look at dad like this. you know, when you, but you know, sometimes, you know, as you get older, you start to understand dad does know what he's talking about. You know, we just, we just got to believe in them.

Sometimes, right. Griff, I'll be telling me the story when I had you on the pod way back when you said like a lot of times when your dad would come, like when your dad wasn't there, you driving the ball load over the RVs, like 400 feet away. Your mom watches you. There's no pressure. Soon as your dad comes, you're like, your dad told your mom one time, I thought you said this boy could hear. Yeah, he literally said, uh, is he good? Because every time I see him, I do nothing. And I just, you know, like people forget that every Saturday, you know, my dad's still playing, so I didn't see him.

So I wanted, you know, that that father approval. You know, I'm trying to hit the ball country mile and I'm swinging as hard as I can, popping it up, swinging and missing. He was with the Braves one time and he came in and I went over to a pop up to the catcher and struck out. And then I drove to the ballpark. He said, how did you, I said, I went three to five, two home run and a double. He said, you got to do that when I met. I said, I don't know. I'm just, and then finally I got a hit in a ball and instructionally and

he was in an RV in left field. He slides the window open and said, now, was that so bad? And shut it and drove off. And from that point on, from that point on, I was, I was good. You know, I got my first hit and that's all you really is like, you have to break the ice and but for a while I was a defensive specialist when he was break the ice. And but for a while, I was a defensive specialist when he was at the game. I go get him with the best of them, but I couldn't hit water if I fell out of boat when he's sitting there. Yes. Even my even my high school coach told my dad, hey, you might not want to show up.

He can't play. So you a grip. At what point did the game slow down to you? Like if you ever watch you come to the plate, for those that have watched the game, baseball and watch you play over the years, there was a certain calm and relaxness to you and confidence when you came to the plate. Obviously, you're known for having the most beautiful swing in the game and baseball of all goddamn time.

At what point did the game slow down to you? When you had that confidence, when you knew you had it and you finally had arrived? Well, I've always had it. But that's because I believe in myself. But it was on the job training. You know, you're learning so much. OK, how to be a pro.

The travel. I mean, I'm in a hotel, you know, 82 days, you know, figuring out, you know, I can't rent a car, I can't do nothing because I'm 19. I got to rely on things. So it took me probably a year and a half. And then I really settled down when my my dad was playing with me because then I could see I could see what was going on. I could see him set up pictures.

I could see him do certain things. And I'm like, that's what you do. And it really stuck. I mean, if you look at a hit. 264, my first year, like 300, my second in like three, 27, my third year. But it was finally, I was like, OK, now I understand what this man has been telling me over the phone. Mm hmm. Were you were you always a lefty or did your dad says, I think it's best if you're going to be a baseball player to be a lefty?

No, I was always left. I write right hand and kick right footed. That's what I know. But but my household is so confused. I mean, my wife is right. But she plays soccer on the left side. She still plays soccer. Oh, Joe. Yeah, for real.

Yeah. She plays on the court every Sunday. Right. My daughter is right handed, right handed. But she hits cross handed. So she grabs the bat like a lefty and stands in a right handers, bite us back, which Hank and I started out like that. My youngest Tevin, he's left, but hits right. And Trey is right handed and hits left. I told you, we got to confuse how so.

And you should see us on game day too, because none of us have the same favorite team. Well, hey, so y'all, y'all are very upset at each other because whoever whoever's winning, that's normally not, that's not your team. And so, but it's fun because, you know, you got a whole bunch of jerseys on and somebody's always had somebody to root for. Oh yeah. Especially. Well, you know, you've been giving my team some grief.

I'm an old school cowboy fan. You know, my uncle. Come on, grab. Hold on, man. Let me let me say this. My uncle went to high school with Tony Dorsett. Okay. So I go way back.

Yeah. My youngest is a Michael Vick fan. He was the left handed quarterback. Trey is a Ravens fan. OK, because Willis McGahey, Ed Reed and Ray Lewis all went to Miami. So he grew up watching them. My wife is from Seattle, so she's Seattle fan. And my daughter is a Carolina Panther fan because her favorite person.

Hold on. is Steve Smith. Oh, yeah. Okay, Smithy. Yeah, like, like, like you can rob a bank and she's like, he ain't do it. He can't do nothing wrong in her eyes. But it's fun. I mean, but if we play each other, we'll even talk until after the game. If I play each other, we'll talk to after the game. And we get something to eat and talk about it.

And one person usually does the talking. That's the person who won that day. But it's fun. I mean, you know, I let the everybody be individuals and that's it. Griff, what if you had a very unique situation? Your dad played long enough, he played well enough to be in the league when you got there. You see LeBron play long enough, play well enough to be in a league while his son came

up. What advice would you, if you could give it, I don't know if you've talked to him, but what advice would you give Bronny playing alongside his dad, being in the league with his dad, being in the league with his dad? You're going to learn a lot by being able to sit there and be on the bench watching him. You know, you know, people go, oh, he needs to go to the G league. He needs this.

He needs that. I tell you what, I learned more sitting there watching my dad than anything. You look at all these quarterbacks who sat behind somebody and how good they end up becoming. They didn't play. They got to sit there and learn a system, learn how to be a professional, learn how to to take notes, how to watch film and do all these things to become a pro and to go out there and be successful. You know, nowadays, these kids, you know, first round picks,

they throw them right in the fire. And, you know, I feel sometimes these kids can't run, read a cover two or cover three or read where the protection needs to be. And you see that every day. You guys sit there, pick out that stuff. But I did tell Bronnie, you know, just, hey, relax, enjoy it. Be you. You know, you're not going to be him. Nobody's him. And the same thing, I feel like my dad told me when I got there, he

said, this is your team. I'm just here. And he was dead at the ballpark. I mean, excuse me, dead at the at the house and team, you know, team at the, uh, at the ballpark. But there, like I said, there are times where I rode home with mom. It was much safer. Grip, having played the game as long as you played, you've seen some great hitters. You were in the league with Tony Gwynn and you've seen, I think you were in the league

with Wade Boggs was, was winning batting titles in the AL. Tony was winning one seven, I think seven in the, in the league with Tony Gwynne. You've seen, I think you were in a league with Wade Boggs was winning batting titles in the AL. Tony was winning one seven, I think seven in the National League. What makes your hey, oh, Tony so special? He has no weaknesses. None. You know, he he's a he's a guy that if you throw it away, he's going to take it that way. And when you have power to all fields, that makes you a dangerous hitter.

Yes. And that's the key. He has power everywhere. He go to grown man territory, which is straight center. He can take you out down the lines, east line. He also can steal a bag when you need it. I mean, he does things that you look at and go, he's all right.

As my friends say, he don't be all right. You know, as my friends say, he'll be all right. But he's one of those guys. I mean, he's a he's a tall, slender kid that can flat out play and he knows the game of baseball. You know, the thing about playing in Japan is that's their past. They don't have no other thing. They ain't got a basketball team or football team. even though they play those sports, they go out and that baseball is it. And you got to be a monster.

Come over from leaving there and coming over here and you look at every player that's come over here, they can flat play. Yeah. Uh, Hey, Decker, Matt, Suey, Godzilla, Hideo, no, no. It's you know, each year. Yeah, each year old each year old. He's one of the two players to win the MVP is rookie season. He and Fred Lynn. Did you play you play with your play with each year old, right?

Yeah, yeah. It was fun to watch. I mean, you know, watching the guy, you know, who can hit the ball a mile. And back in practice and all of a sudden he just fell in with a death over. Yeah. But if you, but if you throw one in the, in the loop zone, you're going to take out, you know, and he, he's one of those guys that he gets on base and causes habit. Yeah.

You know, we, we say it's baseball. It's not home run ball. You got to get on base, you know making Left-hand turns is what you want to do. I'm gonna make no right Yeah, I want to make a right hand turn I tell everybody I'm NASCAR. Oh, I want to make less and that's it Okay, I don't know if you notice grip, you went to Cincinnati molar and molar was a powerhouse back in the eight back in the eighties, early nineties. They were a powerhouse.

Did you play foot? You play football, right? Yeah. I got a state championship and football wide receiver. I wore number two. Okay. Okay. It was too big.

In order, in order way that single digits you had to be that boy now. No, I was just small then. I was just a tad bigger than a kicker. When did you, when did you decide because obviously going number one overall in baseball, you have to make a decision. When did you make the decision? Say, you know what? I'm a stick. I'm a go baseball and I'm a give up. Did you play basketball? Did you play any other sports? I know I didn't play basketball in high school. I played it in a junior high.

But basketball, football ran into basketball season and then baseball ran into football. I mean, a basketball season. So I was like, well, I just played two after my junior year. All of the talk started that I could be the first pick or the first one of the first three. And, you know, my dad said, hey, if you go in the first three rounds, you can go pro. I mean, yeah, go pro. But if you're not, then you're going to college.

But after about a month of them talking to to my dad, he was like, he ain't gonna last long. He's really that good. But, you know, the funny thing is they never told me they let me be a kid. I go out there, play baseball, not worry about anything. I didn't find out all these conversations until I literally was sitting there like 23 years old, sitting on the couch. And Bobby Toland was like, Yeah, remember that conversation that I said, we're gonna draft you. I was like, Yeah, I think y'all work. And they said, we're Seattle. I said,

we're Seattle, dad. Because the only thing I know about Seattle was that Bobby Brown, the baseball player got traded from the Yankees to Seattle. And I was like, I had no idea where that was because he was like, Hey, you just a kid, go play, have some fun. This is my job, not yours. And I think people look at it and go, you know, because my dad played that I'm supposed to be in the locker room. I'm supposed to do all these things. My dad was like, no, this is my job. And you be a kid. Go out there and have some fun. So I didn't worry about, you know. Anything else, but besides being a kid at, you know, 15, 16, 17. Are you surprised how poorly your cowboys are playing?

As you just going to bring that up. You just. I figured I'd sneak that in before we got you out of here, Grip, we gotta sneak that in. You didn't have to do that. Chad, man, why he do that? You know, we was having a good conversation. It was a great conversation. It was a great conversation.

Y'all three and five, Grip, I don't know if you noticed that. Y'all three and five. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Dak is out too now, you know that. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that is that that is out too. Now you know that. Yeah. Yeah. I know that too. Yeah. Look, when my team wins, nobody called me, but when my team moves, my phone light up like a Christmas tree.

Well, y'all don't win. Y'all don't win off the grill. Hey, look, come on. I call you to say hello. Here it is. You know, injuries is part of the game. Yes. You know, look, come on. I mean, I call you to say hello. Here it is. You know, injuries is part of the game. Yeah. Yes. And you know, we've had some pretty big injuries to some key players that you sometimes can't replace. And I don't care who they are that you got back there. You know, sometimes you look at it

and just shake your head, you know, a snake bitten team. You know, I just want, you know, for the guys and you know, for as a fan, I want the guys to walk off the field healthy, you know, each and every day. I don't like to see any carts coming out. You know, I could really, I could care less who wins or loses. I like to see a good game and lately there hadn't been any good games. Not, not with your Cowboys. See, you just don't keep going.

OK, how about this? Were you surprised how easily the Dodgers made this world series look? Because I think most people thought it would go seven games. You look at it. I mean, it's not often grip that you get a world series and you got the two best players. You got the best player in America League and judge.

You got the best player in the National League and Ohtani, but you know, you go Mookie best, who's a former MVP. You go Freddie Freeman, who's a former MVP for the Dodgers. And then you go Soto. And so you got good players from top to bottom. Are you surprised how easy the Dodgers made it look? I think what's what happened is, you know, when they played the Padres, when the Dodgers played the Padres, that was like their World Series.

OK, you know, because that team played them pretty tough. The Yankees had a little easier route to the to the the World Series. But you still got to beat these teams. Oh, you know, I felt that the Dodgers and. Yankees pitching staff were pretty equal. I told everybody that it was going to come down to like the seventh, eighth and ninth hitters being able to get to the top of the order. And that's what happened.

I mean, you watched it. The teams that the team that won their seven, eight, nine guys did a better job than the other team. And the baseball, I can still neutralize their best player. I don't have to pitch to Ohtani. I don't have to pitch to judge. I. I don't have to pitch to Judge. I could pitch around them, but it takes everybody to do a job.

To make them pay for it though. You gotta have your seven, eight, nine here to make them pay for pitching around with your guys that's behind those guys to make them pay. Have you ever seen anything like Freddie Freeman? No. Freddie's an unbelievable guy. You know, to go through the things he went through, personal matter

with the family, his son, and then come back, twist his ankle and not being able to put hardly any weight on it and then go out the air and do what he did in the World Series. All I did was this, take my hat and tip it to him because that was fun to watch. I told him, I said, look, I'm going to walk you. You're not hitting a home run the first thing in the walk. You get in walk. I don't care if the base is loaded. I don't walkie.

I'm not giving up for, cause it was just, you know, when you guys that come up, we talked about earlier guys that come up in big moments do big things and he did it right. I mean, what 12 RBI's. Yes. And what? Four homers. Are you surprised Cortez?

I guess there's no place to put him. But I mean, you're going to try to. I mean, don't throw him a fastball in. No, no, you can't look as my hitting coach said, and Gene Klienz, who passed away a couple of years ago, would say, you can't sneak no cheese past a rat. So don't don't throw the fab ball if you, you know, unless you got some of that, that behind it. And he just left it over the middle of the plate and you know, game over. Yeah.

We'll get you out of here on this one, Griff. There've been a lot of athletes that have signature shoes. Where would you rank your shoe? The Griffy? One. One. I had it. I had every color. You know, what's funny is, you know, I got, you know, I got MJ shoes, Lebron shoes, Kobe shoes, Iverson shoes. I keep a stock full of shoes. And, you know, I just, you know, to be able to have my own is a blessing in, in what I was able to achieve.

I mean, and you really owe it all to Michael and what he's done and allowing getting businesses to endorse athletes, right? You know, to come out and say, hey, you know, I think you'd be a good spokesman for us. And you owe all that to him because him and Bo, I mean, those are the two guys that, you know, without them, who knows what we'd look like right now? We still be like, I will say this, my first Nike deal, and I get teased about it, was $1,500 in the big leagues. It was $750 in

cash and $750 in merch. Well damn, you couldn't give me like 10 pair of shoes. Uh, look, I got two pairs of Jordans, a sweat suit and some socks. And then, and then, you know, the, uh, it got a little bit better and a little bit better and things like that. But like I said, man, I owe it all to the guys that played before me. Uh, and what they did. I mean, like you guys, I watched you to watch chat. Uh, I was there when Chad had his 2000, uh, gold jacket on, uh, and then, and

then try to, and then try to hit Ray and both of them out the game. Uh, I was sitting there like at halftime going, where's everybody at? Chad in the locker room. We're ready in a locker room. I'm on the sideline chair. I'm like, I want to see my man score. Yeah. The last question for me.

We all watch witness Barry that stretch that he has say from 01 until about oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, five. Have you ever seen? Have you ever heard or do you ever think we'll see a stretch of baseball like that again? Well, Tony did it this year, but he's got three more to do it. I mean, you know, what they did was impressive. I mean, you know, what he got 600 and something intentional walks in the closest one is full host.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, that's 400, almost 400 intentional walks behind him. Yeah. That says a lot about how feared of a hitter he was. Yeah. And I think he had like from that time, from that stretch, he reached base 36% of the time. Well, when you get walked 600 times, it makes it easy. And that's just intentional walk. We ain't talking about the regular walk. Barry always had a good eye. You know, people, I mean, he was a leadoff hitter.

Barry came up with the pirates as a leadoff hitter. So you have to tighten your zone up. And he just kept continuing that throughout his career. I mean, he very seldom swung at bad pitches. Yeah. And then he had that big old hockey. He had that big old hockey goal, the elbow pad on. He said that over the plate. You got a you got to throw him what you're looking for.

Hey, he goes, take it off my mom. My mom, my mom did this to him. He came to the house because, you know, back then, you weren't making a whole lot of money. And so it was customary that, you go into certain towns that they feed you. So my mom fed him. That boy hit five home runs in three days. As he's leaving, my mom said, never again. I'm gonna get you on getaway day.

You can get your food on the bus. And you can go do this to the next team. You ain't doing it to my team. She would look at him. He just started laughing every time she see it. She was like getaway day because he put an order in. He put an order in turkey greens, you know, potato salad. I mean, this ain't like, you know, we go ahead and make hamburgers and stuff. No, you put a Thanksgiving order in every time you came into town and she was like, no, not no more. Man, Griff, man, we appreciate it, man. We appreciate you giving us time. You

stand up watching the game. It was great. Not gonna talking with you. I, as always, I'll chat with you later this week. I got some more questions I would ask. Okay, Chad. Yeah. You know, what you doing on Sunday? You know, I'll chat with you later this week. I got some more questions I would ask. OK, Chad. Yeah. You know, what you're doing on Sunday? You know, I need a soccer player. You know, it's a coed team. So we need me to.

And you write down a street. And we know, Lando. Oh, let me know. I come down. I come down. But look, I take pictures. I don't play because I want to. I come down. Look, look, I take pictures. I don't play I'm gonna be the goalie As only two hours Appreciate it. Hey, Griff. We appreciate that man. I holla man. Thanks for joining later. All right, bro

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Oh Joe, before we get to other news of the day, chiefs have seemingly found their number one receiver and D hops acquiring D hop from the tights only cost Kansas City a conditional fifth round pick. Yeah. Oh Joe, where would this rank as far as in season trade if the Kansas City Chiefs go on and do what they do what, what we think they can do. Where would you rank this in season trade? Uh, I have ranked this in-season trade probably damn near damn near. Uncle got to be one of the best.

It got to be the one of the best because you trading for a player. If you put him in the right situation, he can give you what we're used to seeing when he was considered a top three, top five player in the league. You put him in the right situation. That's what's so important. When we're used to seeing D Hop when he was with Arizona, we saw D Hop when he was with the goddamn Texans, he was considered one of the best in the game. Sure. All of a sudden, he's out of that situation where the opportunities come a little bit more often than normal. So you're able to see the talent. You're able to see the skill. You're able to see how good he is, how he doesn't drop shit. He don't drop nothing, huh? Yep. Boy got hand. Boy got all state the hands. Now you put him in a situation in Kansas City. You allow him to get acclimated into the offense.

He already has eight for 86 that might to me. I don't even know a stat line when it was with Tennessee. I guarantee you that's his best game. Yeah. It's probably his best game. And he only been there for goddamn three business days. It ranks up there. And I think the cheese are probably gonna there if, if, and when they do go,

maybe back to a chip again Dehopping gonna play a big part of that. You know play a damn big part in that Yeah, he's uh Look, I wanted D hop to go before he signed with Tennessee because I thought that would be a great move for him Oh, you gotta get that but Gotta get that money. Gotta go get the gotta go get the money And he did that but I think that but he saw losing sucks You know, you gotta get that money. You gotta go get the money. And he did that. But I think that, but he saw losing sucks.

You get that money and you get your eyes beat out. It gets harder and harder to go take your ass to work on Monday, Ocho. Yeah. Cause you already know what's like, man, my quarterback situation. Hey, I still don't understand. I don't mean to bring it up. I don't mean to Swiss topics like this.

Yeah. When I look at Will Levinson, I mean, the stature, you know, the skills, the arm strength, the just the being able to be a dual threat for the life of me. I really can't understand why somebody that looks like that with the skill set like that, it kind of reminds me of a Josh Allen in a sense. Why can't you just put it all together? I don't know. Maybe it's the coaching staff. I don't know. Maybe, maybe the system that he's in. It just, I thought you got it all.

You got all the fucking tools. What the hell is going on? A lot of times, Ocho, it's a situation where you're taking guys that are projects, that are reclamation. Now, if we can refine this, you know, if you find something in the attic, Ocho, you're like, man, if we can restore this,

well, we got something special on our hands. Right. But it's gonna take some time. The question is, do you have time to fix it up? Well, most of these teams don't have time, Ocho, because you're on the clock. Because if you got a quarterback, that's a project. You need to find out whether or not he can play because you're going to have to write him a check for 300 million. So I need to

know, Ocho, I, I mean, I really try to, you know, you saw Daniel Jones got 160. Right. And you see how that played, how that's playing out for them. Right. Well, now these quarterbacks, that 160 now, now ain't a quarter. When the last quarterback side, especially if you do a four or five year deal, that's going to be north of 200. You see, Burrow them got 250. And then, so now by the time a quarterback comes in, no chill,

that's going to be 300 million in 20, in 2028. It's going to be two and it ain't's gonna be 300 million. In 2028, it's gonna be two, it ain't gonna be that long. 2026, 2027, some quarterback getting over $300 million guaranteed money. So I got to find out Ocho if he can play. Well, you remember before, Ocho, you get a quarterback, hey, you let him sit for a couple years.

I can't do it now, Ocho. I got too much money at stake. I can tell you who that's gonna be tonight Where it's gonna be? Jay, I'll be right a Jane Jane Daniel. Oh Jane Daniel for sure Jane Daniels for sure, but that'll be 25 26 So he ended 27. Yeah, he'll be the first I believe he'll be the first 300 million dollar quarterback. I Absolutely believe you to be I want to thank Drift again for coming on. Man, he loves sports.

Sometimes they just call him, he's a talker now. No, he's a talker. Oh, you call him now, he gonna be on the phone for hours. A solid hour. But he's a great conversation, he loves sports. I love just talking about, he's a big time golfer Uh, he and my brother they play a lot of golf together because my brother kind of like be on that celebrity tour Going to different different uh baseball a lot of baseball players have golf tournaments

And uh, he always sees griffy down there and talks to griff but uh, I met griff Uh when he was with the mariners back in 99, they were playing the Rockies. And like I said, I went and knocked on the door, tend to open the security, open the door. I like, man, I'm here to see Griff. He like, he know you coming. I said, no, but just tell him sharp here. So he come back door open, pointed me where grip was. So now I was talking to it, gave me a Jersey, gave me a bat, you know, and we just, I'm just sitting there talking. Cause uh, they invited the team because we're one of the Subo. So they invited the team. Everybody like, man, where you go?

I said, man, I was in the locker room talking to Gryph. It's like, man, why don't you get us? I was like, no, they wouldn't let all of us in there. I know they'd let me in. So but it was it was great. So Gryph, I really appreciate you coming on, man. Sharing a little bit of your time with us. So thank you, bro. Thank you.

I really, really appreciate that. Ocho, the Chief's next nine regular season game. They got the Broncos, the Texans, the Steelers, the Browns, the Bills, Carolina, the Chargers, and the Broncos. I think two of those are gonna be difficult games. I think the most difficult game for them is probably gonna be the Steelers

because their defense is very very very very goddamn good And yeah, it was one you call they got the Texans. No, yeah, I also have Buffalo Okay, that was the other one that that's still a game in that Buffalo game are the games where I say they may trip up Everyone else there's a chance they can run the gauntlet. Oh What did they play Buffalo at Ash? In Buffalo? You know wherever they play, they could be playing at AutoZone. It don't matter. They play Buffalo in Buffalo or they play Pittsburgh? They play Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, Buffalo in Buffalo.

They host the Texans, host the Broncos, go on the road to the Broncos. I think they beat the Raiders and the Raiders. I think they've beaten the Chargers in Kansas City. What did it play Cleveland? In Cleveland, Carolina don't matter. They can play on the moon. You know what? The Chiefs won those team.

It don't matter whether they play at home or away. Yeah, you're gonna get what you're looking for. Yeah, we definitely go get. Oh, Joe, the Cowboys got some bad news that Prescott is expected to miss multiple weeks with a hamstring injury. And with that, with that out, the Cowboys would turn to Cooper Rush. MacArthur said Cooper Rush is as respected of a backup that I've seen since Rich Ganna Rush cares the type of credibility. There are plenty of confidence in him.

Is it a mistake? Not to see what they have with Trey Lance. Well, Cooper Rush was always the number two. Yep. So I understand them sticking with Cooper Rush. I don't think you can have a quarterback battle in the middle of the season like this to decide who your number two quarterback is.

They decided to go with, obviously, with Cooper Rush being the number two. I'm sure at some point there was a quarterback battle and they felt Cooper Rush was better suited to be the backup to Dak Prescott. I'm sure they saw a good sample size of Trey Lance during his time since he's been there and they, they went with who they felt was better. I liked Trey Lance as well. I would love to see him back at the helm, being in control of the orphans again.

I think he wasn't given a fair shot. He was. You think so? Yeah. Ocho, you do realize that Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. Right. Think about what they Mr. Irrelevant. Right. Think about what they mortgage to get this man. Right, right.

That ain't no situation. That ain't no situation where, no. Think about what they gave up. They gave up three first round picks. Right, okay, all right, you're right, you're right. Hey, but you know, okay, you don't think they cut the string. They cut it a little too soon. No. Okay, okay, I'm just saying. What do you. Hey, but you know, okay. You don't think they cut the string. They, they, they cut it a little too soon. No. Okay. Okay. I'm just asking.

What do you wait? What? Let me ask you a question. What you holding on to. He couldn't be, he couldn't be that Brock Purdy. Even after Purdy did what he did. Okay. Even after a situation where he gets hurt and Purdy comes in, they put the job up again the following year and he couldn't be Purdy out. Hey, you think there was a nevermind. I ain't gonna get into that. I ain't gonna get into that.

That'd be like saying, do you think they, do you think they cut the cord too quick on, uh, uh, Drew Bledsoe? No. And they had a hundred. He was the first quarterback to get a hundred million. I don't know. I just, at times I look at it sometimes I'm not the decision making when it comes to certain players and coaches feeling, you know, they'd rather go to this one.

This player doesn't fit my system and what I like to do and what we'd like to do, I want to go in favor of. So I hate when I hear things like he couldn't beat a like to do. I want to go in favor of, so I hate when I hear things like he couldn't beat a certain player out. I hate hearing things like that. Do you know Kyle Shanahan, had he not drafted Brock Purdy, would have lost his job?

Kyle Shanahan would have got fired. If he drafts Trey Lance, with the third pick in the draft, and he can't play, and he got no backup player, you know he's losing that job. He and John Lynch will lose their jobs. Hmm. Think about what you gave them.

What did they give up? Beget it. Pull up what they gave up to get Trey land to move up like six spots. Yeah. They gave up like three first round pigs, the second round pig. They gave up like three first round picks, a second round pick. He'll probably never be a starter again. They gave up three first round picks, which was number three overall.

How many second round picks? And a third round pick. You give that up. That guy doesn't pay it out. The cleaning house. Oh yeah. Brock already saved the job. Yeah.

He saved Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch's job. It's really that simple. Hey, and that's, it's crazy when I think about it because it's the perfect situation for any quarterback. Yeah. You hear me? It's the perfect situation for any quarterback. When you look around, when you, when you think about what you got around you,

Trent, are you, Devo? Okay. Like, it's like, for a lot of people, you gotta understand why stuff doesn't work out for certain individuals. Trey, athletic, he can throw the ball and then you put those types of weapons around you. It should just, it should flow like fucking water. Then Brock Purdy comes in and hell what the fuck going on?

Cause he knows where to go to football. Trey Lance started one season at, at a FCS level. I never, I never understand. The guy couldn't play dead in a horror movie. Oh Joe, I mean, it's simple. I mean, you hate to say it, but he couldn't. Hey, come on. He goes, he can play dead in a horror movie.

He could know Joe. He couldn't play dead. He couldn't play dead in a what? In a horror movie. He couldn't, no joke. Rock party beat him out for the job. Ain't no, look, the one thing I know about Kyle Shanahan, because I played for his dad, they gonna put the best level on the field. Oh yeah. They don't give a damn how much money you making. Oh yeah.

I've seen Mike Cupp players that's making a boatload of money. If you play good You're gonna play. Yeah, I don't You don't play for the Shanahan based on your paycheck you play play for the Shanahan based on your performance Hmm Yeah, I'm just My computer keep crashing. Oh Joe.

Yo. Does the DAC injury come at a good time for Jerry? Should they be sellers or should they be buyers? Hold on now. Wait a minute. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's be I need better context. Now we should they be sellers?

Should they be buyers? Who the hell are we selling and what are we trying to buy? That's the better question. Now we should they be sellers? Should they be buyers? Who the hell are we selling them? What are we trying to buy? That's the better question. Are you selling, are you selling some of your players or are you buying said, okay, we still got a chance. We got Cooper rush. Maybe we can get back in this thing.

Let's add a player or two. At what position can we add value on our roster, defensively or offensively, that changes the trajectory of the season? I don't think there's a position because the only place you can do that would be at the quarterback position. There's nobody that you can go get that's going to come in and make a difference where you can turn this season around So if anything I would assume if I was in Jerry's shoes, I would be I would be selling Or probably going all-in

Okay, which he was supposed to do but he didn't in the office What you go? Hello, how do you go go all in right now? Oh Joe you three and five Oh, no, I'm just saying for a lack of better words. I'm just using I'm just using the term since in the office. Hold on, how the hell you gonna go all in right now, Ocho, you three and five? Oh no, I'm just saying, for lack of better words, I'm just using the terms. What do you mean you go all out? That mean you sale. You have the whole, you have a garage,

well we used to call them rummage sales, yard sales. Now they call them estate, but back when I was growing up, they weren't no estates. People would just sell it, instead they didn't want it in their house, they cluttered up They house we call them yard sale a rummage sale because a lot of times people just come rummage through it Even though we'll buy it ish

You got you got to do some Would you do you buying and selling selling Everything. Yeah, I'm getting ready for next year. What you got? What you got? What you're looking for? Right. Obviously, Michael is off limits, right? Nobody's going to be a thing for CDs off limits.

You know what? What what players do they have that somebody could potentially want? They don't have guys that have a whole lot of sex. Nobody has a whole lot of interceptions. Nobody's just going to be a free agent. Who's going to be a free agent next year that you like? I don't think we're going to be able to sign them. Who has one year left on the contract?

Hey, Jerry, Jerry, you're going to have to listen. I'm going to say you got to put his put his money where his mouth is But he just did that in the offseason with back in CD. Well, you got to do it again Well, you got to do it again with Micah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah Yeah, hey, but he has to improve. He has improved that team You got to go out there and get you a reliable reliable when he said he's the best guy for the job That's what he said Now if it's a lie, he told it.

But a lie don't care who tell it. He know what he doing, he know what he doing because he been doing it for a long time, but there's certain things where you gotta pull the trigger. He not pulling the trigger where he needs to. He not pulling- Crystal McKay, go ahead. No, I'm just saying he not pulling the trigger

where he needs to. I'm not a GM. I'm not a scout. I'm not. I'm on the outside looking in, but I did play the game and understand what it takes to compete, to compete and be competitive with some of the better teams that are continuing to improve year in and year out. Kristi McCaffrey returns to practice for the 49ers. Not only did C Mac return to returns to practice for the 49ers. Not only did C Mac return to the practice field

for the first time since week one, wide receiver, Jawan Jennings, kicker, Jake Moody, and offensive lineman, John Feliciano, were all back in action according to reports on the site. Ocho, what do you expect from the 49ers moving forward? Hey, once CMC hits that field, What what do you expect from the 49ers moving forward? Hey? Once em see his that feel That the offense gets that much better

Once em see his that feel the offense gets that much better Arguably CMC was the best running back in the league. I know what Derek Henry is doing right now But before CMC got I mean before CMC got hurt. He was considered the best running back in the league. I know what Derek Henry is doing right now, but before CMC got hurt, he was considered the best runner back in the league. Right. For all the things that he can do at the receiver position, lining up in the slot, all the things he can do coming out the backfield, catching the ball out the backfield, running the ball,

it allows him to do so much more. I think the offensive playbook with Shanahan when CMC is. Back there, even though Jordan, even though Jordan Mason played pretty well, you know, while, while CMC was out, I think they can do that much more offensively when they have CMC in there. Yeah. I think, I think healthy.

They still, they're still a threat in the NFC. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. They're still, they're still very formidable. For middle. Whatever term you want to use. Formidable, formidable.

Uh, see Mac, his ability to run the football between the tackles, the hit outside can catch it out of the backfield. They get Devo back. They get you one Jennings back. They, they, they have an opportunity to do something really good. Safe fire. Dennis Allen after seven straight loss. Oh Joe, Dennis Allen is the first coach in NFL history to fire by two different

teams, both times the same quarterback starting quarterback. Derrick Carr got, got, he got fired in Oakland. I mean the Raiders quarterback was Derrick Carr. He got fired in New Orleans. So I, there's a great chance that, uh, Derrick Carr is not on the Christmas list. Yeah. Listen, I'm gonna say it all the time. Players get coaches fired.

Players get coaches fired. The team has lost confidence and whatever belief they had in Derrick Carr based on his performance. Again, look the way you did the first two weeks of the season and the fall flat on your face week in and week out. If you look at the players mannerisms

around Derek Carr, look at some of the tweets from the players that are not currently playing right now and some of the players that aren't even playing anymore about Derek Carr. That's not, I've never seen a quarterback in that position. No. In that position where your teammates aren't supporting you past or present, in season. We ain't even in the off season. We in the middle of the season. And it's bad. It is. It is.

I just didn't think, I didn't think Dennis Adams was going to look, he was the D coordinator and then Denver played, had some outstanding defense. I just don't, I don't understand it. I mean, they get off the score 45, averaging 40 points the first two weeks, and then they just fall completely apart. That's weird. The Volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

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