Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Knicks beat Celtics to advance to ECF, Aaron Gordon doubtful for Game 7 with hamstring injury!

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks beat Jaylen Brown and the Boston Celtics to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in 25 years, Aaron Gordon doubtful for Game 7 with a hamstring injury, and Jimmy Butler says its refreshing to be Stephen Curry’s sidekick and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:46 - Knicks v Celtics17:12 - Shams update on Gordon’s hamstring34:00 - Jimmy Butler says its refreshing to be Steph Curry’s sidekick41:17 - Steve Kerr asked about offensive system58:37 - 76ers will listen to offers for the number 3 draft pick(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Nelly Mercer was three years old since 1999. They advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals and by the score of 119 to 81. Thank you guys for joining us. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite uncle. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host. Liberty City is on. Bingo Ring of Fame, honoree, pro bowler. All pro, that's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

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Jalen Brunson was three years old, the last time the Knicks made the NBA that ended tonight. Jalen brussell was three years old. The last time the Knicks made the Eastern conference finals. It was 2000. Okay. It's 2000. Excuse me. 2000, but they do it thanks to a balance scoring effort. Miles bridges, 22 points.

And OG Ananobe, 23 points. Cat 21 points and 12 rebounds. Jalen Brunson, 23 points. And Josh Hart had a triple double, 10 points, 11 rebounds, 11 assists as they roll decisively by 38 points over the Boston Celtics playing without Jason Tatum. There've been a lot of discussion over the last couple of days, oh, this team plays better without Jason Tatum. You mean to tell me a team is better without a four-time all-NBA selection, a perennial all-star? You trying to tell me your team is better

without one of the better players in the NBA? I'd never believe that for a second. Don't listen. One game, anything can happen. We know. But you and everybody know that they were not beating the Knicks were The Knicks weren't going to lose three games Without the team's best player, but they rolled by 38 and they're going to the eastern conference finals to make to face the team That they faced in the eastern conference semifinals last year. That is The indiana paces joe you watch this game you I mean

That is the Indiana Pacers. Joe, you watch this game, I mean, boss you're ready to do what they do. You wanna talk about it? Okay, go ahead. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Time out. You did say, Ocho, Ocho said, are you guys sure the Knicks don't have a chance?

I said, Ocho, I don't know, I said, I think the Celtics, five, maybe six, I think the Celtics gonna get it. You're like, nah, I'm gonna ride with the Knicks. I say, I'm riding with the Knicks. Now listen, I am and you can't. All right, you're in the brand, you're going to ride with the Knicks. I say I'm riding with the Knicks. Now listen, I am and you can't. You're in the brand, you're the grand marshal. Take off with me.

I'm not the grand marshal. Now before we go on, I want to make sure now. I don't know if we remember, or Ash, I might need you to go back and check the tape. Because I remember, if I'm not mistaken, both of you picked the Celtics to win. I think, Unc, you saying a five, Joe, you might've said six. And on top of that, then I said, okay, let's's make it light on yourself let's make a little side bet. Both of you

chose to say a certain dollar amount. I ain't bet nothing. I said I ain't betting a man that already owe me money. Okay that's what you said? Yeah that's what I said. Joe you owe me 500 Joe. We ain't betting no 500 man. I promise you, you said 500. We bet a light hundred. Okay. Why that guy with no Hillcon? He trying to get over there by the... I was just trying to charge a little interest. We had a nice little friendly bet.

You won the bet, man. So you need my cash? Yeah, what you need? Cause I don't think... We'll talk about it later. We ain't got time right now. What we got going, baby? Yeah. The Migs got four guys with 20 points or more. You got a triple-double from Josh Hart.

It was that Miles McBride came up the bench, gave the 10 solid quick points. And they rolled. They were 19 or 21 from the free throw live 16 or 46 from the three they shot 46% From the floor. They did a great job of they turned the ball over a little bit. It didn't matter You know, you could tell early on in the game how this game was gonna end Yeah, it was not going to end favorably for the Boston Celtics They really had only one guy that could that could going, because early on, only Jaylen Brown was doing anything. Everybody else was just clanking and clanking and clanking. And you know, like, I wonder how many points

the Knicks are gonna actually win by. Because this is not gonna be a close game and it's not gonna be pretty. Joe, what do you think, what do you, look, other than being outgunned, why did you think it got so out of hand so quick for the Boston Celtics? I think the Knicks really understood the moment They didn't want to go back to Boston and they just came out with that fight and that desire the intensity to win and get

This series over with I thought Jalen Brown came to play He gave him a great little boost but man when you get up, okay Oh sure when you get down like that in the playoffs and you got the firepower to fight back, oh man, this game was overwhelmed before it even really got started, to be honest with you. Derrick Wright was a minus 45 and plus minus. Jalen Brown was minus 30, Holliday minus 34,

Luke Cornette was minus 16, Al Horford was minus 33. I don't know if I've ever seen somebody minus 45. That's, I mean, just like Che was plus 51. I don't know if I've ever seen somebody minus 45 and plus minus, Joe. But you're right. I mean, the Knicks got it going. They pounded them on the glass, plus 19 on the glass plus plus six offensive rebound everything everything everything

Was in the next favor and the scoreboard would indicate that it was a close ball game in this first quarter 26 20 you like okay Boston you hung around Next thing you know, it's a 38 to 17. So now you're down 27 You're down 35 at the end of the year 35 at the end of the soul. Yeah Oh, yeah, this is a tough one because the Knicks got six guys in double figures So by committee they beat you they two top guns cat and Brunson You know, they did they think as far as you know plan being efficient making plays just playing hard And then these other guys like the OGs OG gave 23 tonight I mean, it's this is this closeout basketball man. They did they did not want to go back to Boston and

Man, New York is in a frenzy right now man, because I can't oh Joe. I know they going crazy I sure why hey, hey, hey, they got a chance to make it to the finals man, and This is a this is great for basketball. Yeah, they got a big chance of this. These teams are familiar with each other It's two different styles one want to grind you out the other one to get up and down Sometimes the the Knicks will go with their two bigs Mitchell Robinson and cat you know the only big that really that the Pacers have is Miles Turner. They don't really play TB, Thomas Bryant and Miles Turner together. So it's going to be very interesting to see because if you put Miles Turner on

Mitchell Robinson, that means Pascal Siakam has to deal with Kat. Kat has the advantage. And then when Kat gets his butt down on the block, when Kat is not selling for threes, Kat's unguarded, but there's nobody that's currently in the playoffs that can deal with cat Nobody no not not if he when he decides like I'm going to the block Yeah, I think okay. Oh Joe I think you're gonna have to play cat at the five a lot this this series against Indiana Because you're gonna have to you're gonna have to deal with Seahawk. He's a very important piece in this series

who could ultimately win you a series. I don't like the fact that Cat will have to guard him. So I think he gonna- Well Cat probably have to guard, he'll probably guard Miles Turner. But Miles Turner can step out to the three. Miles will stretch five. I'm saying if Cat is in there with Bigfella.

Yeah, yeah, with Mitchell Robinson. Yes. Yes. Yes, but uh, man This is this these two teams kind of mirror each other to me. They both blue collar teams. Yeah Okay, don't beat you by committee. You don't really know who go sleep for the Knicks Brunson has been You know close pretty much the whole playoffs the whole season But this is gonna be a good series man to gritty teams who ain't going to play a lot of pretty basketball. It's going to be some ugly games. Yeah. And you got, you know, you got guys that can defend, you got them hard, they can defend, need Smith that can defend. You got a map burn who can

defend. So you got some guys, the outcome that can defend the same thing. You got miles bridges, you got OG, you got Josh Hart, you got guys on the Knicks that can defend at an elite level. So I agree with you. It's gonna be who takes care of the basketball the best. Because if you turn the basketball over against the Pacers, they're out, they landed up before you, you look around at official like that was a foul,

they're laying the ball up at the other end. So these are two teams that we saw them last year, it went seven games, Indiana went to a MSG, one game seven on the Knicks floor, but this is a different Knicks team. This is not, they traded out Julius Randall, brought in Cat, and it seems to be working really, really well. I mean, you know, Cat and them, they're, excuse me, Julius Randall, they're in the Western Conference final. They're waiting the winner of the Nuggets and the OKC Thunder. But I thought the Knicks, the Knicks.

I don't know if the Knicks can play any better. I mean, you got four guys with 20 plus points. Yeah. And look at the plus. And you got Josh Hart gave you a triple double and and and Miles McBride, who's been playing very well in the limited role that he's been playing, making big shots, playing some really good defense. It's gonna be a great series. Would I be surprised if he went six or seven?

Nope, I would not. Okay, well I got the most important question from both of you again before a series starts. Now when it comes to boxing, styles win fights. A certain person's style, you understand who probably has a better chance of winning based on the outcome. So again, you got the Knicks, hard hat, blue collar team, they gonna get it the hard way.

And you got the goddamn four by one Pacers that like to run up and down the court. Now who we got winning the series? Now you say it Mike, you say it Mike, you can see it going six or seven or five and six whatever you said Yo, what you think the series going to man? Listen, I've doubted the nicks bro. This whole playoff Now we're waking up. Okay, can I talk can I talk? I've been down the nicks. I had detroit, you know giving them problems and giving them problems and I did gave them more problems than the Celtics

They get even problems, but I think they learned through those series through their series Oh, they learned a lot about themselves as far as being resilient You know, they lost their first game at home and I just thought it was gonna be an uphill climb But they pretty much handled their series and I think it prepared them for you know, this series right here against Boston man. They were they were gritty. They were hungry Obviously they were the healthier team and I just thought you know They had guys made plays at the right time and I think it's their time bro, so I'm saying it to say this. I don't really want to bet against the Knicks no more man But but but oh Joe the Pacers got six dudes

averaging double figures in the playoffs. They got six, maybe even maybe seven dudes averaging double figures in the playoffs. These two teams man are so scary and you don't really you don't know what you're going what you're gonna get out of them. I think like I said same style as far as fight. Yep. I agree. I'm same style as far as fight. Yep I'm giving an edge to the Knicks because they got home court advantage. Oh now you want to all they got home court advantage Man, chill what you want from me? I would try to I would try to double it nothing that bet see if you want to You know run it back, but okay, okay We might get we might can put a little something on the on this game seven coming up and the next series in in the Western Conference

So hold your horses. It was game seven. Okay, see in the Nuggets. Yeah I know you look like you got dimples. So I'm gonna go ahead and take okay seat. Oh Like I like the young bulls I like SGA to show up and show out and close the game out the way it should be closed out. Hey, well it sounds like we think it like then. Yeah. Well. Sound like somebody scared to bet, but okay, go ahead.

So when does the Eastern Conference finals kick off? Monday or Tuesday? I think Tuesday. Tuesday. Okay. So get a little rest. Paces are well rested they've been off for the last day so they're gonna be out damn near a week by the time by the time they play so they'll be well rested. I like you know I would I'd be surprised I think it's

going six to seven games. Nobody's winning nobody's sweeping nobody's winning in five, I like six or seven. Right. And they are, you know, looking at them, Joe, when you look at how they play and look at how they, you know, the starters and, you know, I think the Knicks probably have like three or four guys in double figures. Man, it's just hard to pick Brunson because that game is, if the game is in the clutch moment, I don't trust it. I'm not so sure I trust anybody more in the postseason than I trust Jalen Brunson

in a clutch moment. Yeah. I agree. He's been special, especially down the stretch or when he's been counted out, he's, he's come through time and time again in this postseason. And that's why I give the, I mean, I give the Knicks the edge. Obviously they got home court advantage. I think Brunson is going to be a difference maker,

you know, in this series. He's on that. But they're moving on. Knicks are going to the Eastern Conference Finals. 119, 81 victory over the Boston Celtics minus Jason Tatum. I'm not so sure had they had Jason Tatum, they would have been any different.

But they didn't have him. The Knicks made sure left no doubt. We're not going back to Boston. We're done. We're about to take two, three days off and get ready for the Eastern Conference finals because this is our chance to get to the NBA final, something that we haven't done since 2000. Shams has a very important update today on Aaron Gordon's hamstring. Devin Nuggets forward. Aaron Gordon has been diagnosed with a left hamstring strain. His status is in doubt for game seven against the Oklahoma City Thunder. Sources tell ESPN major development heading into Sunday's 3 30 PM Eastern game, uh, ABC for the Western conference finals birth.

We saw that I saw him grab it last night. He started rubbing it. I saw the way he was walking. And Ocho, we had talked about it last night with Sean Marriott. I was like, I don't like that. I didn't like the way he grabbed it. I said, in this incident, it decided. I don't know if it'll be close if he can't go.

And it doesn't look like he's going to go. No, he's not going to be able to go. I mean, what happened to him is really no different than what happened to Steph Curry. You know, once you feel that pull, once you feel that pinch, it's a wrap at that point. That's grade one. That's grade one.

So you're gonna miss, but maybe at least three games, maybe four, if that. If Steph wasn't able to come back, then Aaron Gordon's not gonna be able to come back either. Oh yeah, he wasn't. Steph wasn't able to come back in like Aaron Gordon's not gonna be able to come back either. Oh yeah, Steph wasn't able to come back in like four games. So what makes you think he's gonna be able to come back in 48 hours? No, he's not gonna be able to, huh? He's not gonna be able to, because the sooner you try

to come out there and make any kind of, any kind of hergy jerky movement, and you're gonna pull him in, once they grab again, like a second time, you're done for the series. Yeah. That's a wrap. It is like, yeah this absolutely impacts him because he's a guy he could defend, he can rebound, he can score. Now the last game he didn't have that big, I mean he didn't score that much but we know what Aaron Gordon, he hit the big shot, he had two game-winning shots. He had the game-winning dunk against the Clippers and he had the game- winning three in game one against OKC in the first game.

So we know what he represents. He's a guy that can defend multiple positions. You see him guard J. You'll see him guard J. Lou Williams. He'll slide the chat. He can guard multiple positions and he can go get you 20 and double digit rebounds. I don't know where they can get that kind of scoring,

where they can get that kind of versatility. No, look, I know Strautha had a great game. Russ has been the energizer buddy off the bench for him, but you got to ride the Russ roller coaster. I just don't know, Joe, where they get that kind of versatility, where you get that scoring, that rebounding from, if Aaron Gordon can't play and it doesn't look like he's going to play No, I think and outside of yolkage. I think Gordon has been pretty much the most consistent, you know

I know it's been buried but for the most part Gordon has won them games. He won them. Yes last. Yeah, so He's been a huge piece of Their success, you know in this postseason. So without him, Uncle Ocho, I mean, you're going to have to lean on some of them young guys you got over there. Hopefully they can come through and have a big game, but Michael Porter Jr. needs to have the game of his life. He needs to be... You say have the game of his life,

but how is he having single digit... I don't understand that. I don't know. I mean, Uncle, if the injury that Michael Porter Jr. has, if it's that bad, where he's inefficient and he can't shoot, and he's not really contributing offensively or defensively, I'm not sure why they just don't start Russ.

I don't understand. Well, you said you and Joe say y'all want those points off the bench. Yeah, you need that spark plug. Because you know, one thing Russ gonna do, he gonna get you energy and effort. Right. That's hard to get from a lot of guys nowadays.

So you need that spark off the bench. If y'all do come out flat, or somebody who can come in and sustain, if y'all do get off to a great start. But man, that's, yeah, you're gonna need somebody to have an out of body experience if Gordon ain't gonna be able to go. But if he got that grade one,

he might as well hang it up. You can put as much tape on that hamstring you want to, boy. Yeah. Unless you go to moving around, it's a wrap. It's no, it's no, it's no pulling. Yeah, I agree like look, Yoke played unbelievable last night. He had 29, 14, and 8. You might need to have 39, 17, and 12, and Jamar Murray probably need to go be a, have an efficient 26 to 32. And Michael Porter Jr. is going to need to give you 20 plus points for them to have a chance because it can be a very similar situation to what we saw tonight.

The crowd got into the building and what was a six point, all of a sudden you go into the half, you're down by 21, you're down by 27 points. And look, in the playoffs, when you get down by that minute, it's hard to come down. The Knicks have done it on several occasions. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you.

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that has a national following. Everybody else is regional. People in Indiana for the Pacers. People in OKC go to root for OKC. People in Denver go root for Denver. People in Minnesota. But the Knicks is a household brand. And so, and plus you got that, you think a household brand. Yeah, and so and plus you got that you think about the markets

You got Minnesota you got Oklahoma. You got Denver and then you got New York Okay, I want to jump the gun on this but let's say let's say the next do make it to the finals Who would y'all want to see him play against? I know I know we still got some basketball to play Ant-man hmm, there we go Hey, can you imagine? I want to see and because I won't see I won't see cat and julius. They got swap for each other. Yeah Because somebody goes they see y'all y'all made a mistake This could have been y'all if they make it if they both make it to the finals we still gonna say that

Of course because who win? Okay, hey I won no no you see if you'd have me the rolls would have been reverse if you'd have me you'd have me Hey, hey, oh Joe. Yeah, it happened Minnesota in the Knicks partner Believe it. We know you got you got who you got yourself a bad partner. Believe that. Who you got? You got, who you got? The Wolves? I'm going to Minnesota. Yeah, the Wolves. Yeah, the Wolves. Hey, hey, uh, hey, Joe. Imagine New York if they hoist that goddamn championship trophy. Oh man, come on. Imagine the city of New York if they have to win the goddamn championship. I mean, that's like when a Boston or the Lakers,

because you talking about Cornerstone franchise, you talking about like from the beginning. It's gonna be bigger than that. Oh yeah, for sure, because it's been so long. It's been so long. It's just because of the duration. I mean, you gotta go back to what, 73? Yeah. What?

Yeah, that's the last time they won a championship with the Knicks, yeah. Man. Yeah. Hey, them boys ain't gonna make no wrong in New York if that happen. Hey, listen, everything free. Man. Everything free. Look here.

If Jalen Brunson brings a championship to the Knicks. He's goaded. Yeah. He is. He's looked at like Jeter. He's looked at like Strahan. He's looked at like LT. He's looked at like those great Yankees. That's how he'll be looked at. Think about how they revered those 70 teams. Clyde Frazier, Earl DeParle, and Reston So, Willis Reed.

Look how they revere those. Bro, a lot of people don't even remember, only Spike Lee remembered him winning championships back then. Everybody else was probably wasn't even born or like two months old. Right, right, right. For him to do that, especially at his size,

at his size, ohcho, six foot, and he brings a championship. It's something about the little guy. It's something about the Ironsons that we can wrap up. Man, I was looking at me, man, I saw AI, man. Man, AI ain't much bigger than me. And you know the funny thing about it is, is AI was short, he was small in stature.

Jalen Brunson is short and small as stature, but they play like they... They play big. They play like they 6667. Yup. Oh man. Man, you couldn't let... Man, if AI had have been 6667... What?

Hey, hey, hey, that's why he don't give us everything. He just give... He can't give us everything. I mean, think about it. Brunson. What if Brunson was 6'6"? Right. He ain't't give us that's why he don't give us everything he just gave you can't give us everything What what it brought super six six, right? Okay, he's gonna give us everything go give you He gonna get enough to work with no old Joe. Yeah, you know there. I'll be giving some tools now. Yeah Right you you try to cheat now what I'll tell you won be by six four. What if I'll tell you six four? Oh, don't you go get anything? I'm six. I'm already six three now. I Want to worry about it Joe

Yeah, that man I hate you know what I hate this this is a game seven Uh-huh, and one of the team's key players isn't going to be there. Yeah It was already an uphill climb So now you tell me I got to climb the mountain and I ain't got no shoes Hey, I mean, I understand if you don't give me no mountain boots, but damn at least let me have some uh, Some gore tech some sneakers some Nike trail shoes or something Hey, hey, it's distant. It's destined for some teams to make it. Okay.

He got a, he has the level of playing field sometime. You know what I mean? So, uh, that's it. This is why I feel like, uh, the, the road to for success for the Timberwolves is high man, because, you know, I think they, they've been resting and I think they they've been resting and I think they understand the moment as well yeah and I think I just think it'd be so cool for basketball man if we could get the Timberwolves versus the Knicks in the

finals oh my god that'd be yeah yeah yeah it's gonna be different though it's gonna be yeah I mean you do the the next you need the next you need it I mean you can't have okay seeing Indiana. I mean you could but boy boy We got to put some respect on Indiana name, no we got The team is legit. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say nothing bad about their team Because they get up and down the court they can they can defend when they want to defend But they're more interested in getting the ball out in there

They'll take it either or take it off the rim and getting up and down the court and sometimes they get a little careless But no, no, no, no, no, they got guys that can defend. The M Hard, Matt Burn, Ne Smith They got guys that can defend. Oh, absolutely They got guys that come off the bench math burn and McConnell comes off the bench Yeah, giving you quality quality minutes. Yeah, okay TV will come out the bench and give you ten solid minutes He'll get you a couple of points a couple of rebounds But it's it's that five with McConnell and math room. There's that it's that seven now Do we know their committee they don't look have five, six guys in double figures.

Somebody might have 21, 22, and then you're gonna have a bunch of teams. 19, 18, 16, 15, that's how they play. That's how they play. But everything is really predicated on how aggressive is Halliburton. Yep. When he's aggressive, they're a different team.

Sometimes he becomes too passive. He doesn't look to get his shot. He doesn't look to get his shot. He doesn't look to get all the way down the hill. He's looking to, you know, start and then distribute. Now you got to stay aggressive when he stays aggressive. They're different. Yeah, they were behind against Cleveland. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden he got aggressive. He started shooting the ball. Yeah. Now I think Halliburton is the key and The other guys around him see outcomes the Turner's, you know, those guys can explode at any given night. I think Hallenberg definitely has to come out and be aggressive against Bronson man. This is this is gonna be must-watch TV guys You know these dudes they've competed they've been doubted the whole year We already know what Halliburton has been going through as far as being the most, what, overrated player in the-

Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, he's playing for something and he's been showing up and I'm, I'm expecting this, this series to, to go no different, you know, uh, uh, a drag out fight, two teams, just being relentless amongst each other and man, I just think it's going to come down to home court advantage on the Ocho Yeah, I think they'll probably start Mike McHale bridges will start on miles turn. We'll start on a Halliburton, do you think so? Oh gee, oh gee will start out. Oh gee will start on Siakam. Oh

Yeah, yeah Yep, that's gonna be nice when that when that's see when I see we start again to do this. Yeah Yeah, I think that's I think that's how they started. I've been I think every turn every Turner then I think Josh Hart will probably take he'll take either NIMHard or Me Smith Right, right man, there's some good matchups bro. Yeah, oh sure sure Sure, it may not be the prettiest basketball, but you talking about some dudes competing at the highest level Yeah, and trying to and then brunson it brunson to take mem hard or nice myth

Og og og is gonna take is gonna take siaka obviously cat and mouse Turner. I believe they start, I believe, Mikael Bridges because he's long and will take Halliburton. Right. Yeah. And then you can match Hart and Brunson, okay, Neesmith, Nim Hart, go from there. But I don't think they start Brunson. I don't think they start brunson on Halliburton. What you thinking, Joe? No, they're not. They probably gonna start him on them hard or... On Neesmith.

Neesmith, yeah, you're right. Because what you don't want is for Halliburton to get comfortable. So they't have to keep somebody long-rangey on them, pesky. Somebody challenge them shots. That can pick him up in 94 feet. Yeah. It's going to be a fun one, man. It's going to be a fun one. I know we talk about the Knicks making it to the finals, but time and time again, the Pacers have put themselves in position to be successful.

So they've been pulling out wins that I didn't think they could get. So it's hard for me to go against the grain with these dudes, man. They've been, they just like New York. They've been gritty the whole season. Yeah. And it's not going to stop now. Like, it's just going to continue.

So I'm looking forward to a good one. New York is moving to the Eastern Conference Finals. 119 to 81 over the Boston Celtics. They will face the Indiana Pacers, who dispatched the number one seed in the Eastern Conference in five games, the Cleveland Cavaliers. Jimmy Butler says, it's really refreshing to be Steph Curry's sidekick

on the Warriors. To come here and know I'm second to Steph, it's a really good thing. To be his sidekick, it's really refreshing. I don't know if I've ever heard somebody that used to be in the number one all of a sudden happy with being number two. Because the expectation doesn't change. Because you do realize Jimmy, they got you there because you're supposed to be the piece to get them over the hump. Right, right. Hey, he's played this role before though. He's played with D-Rose. He knows what it's like to be

Robin. He knows what it's like to be, you know, a sidekick to some degree. He was kind of like that when he was in Philly with Embiid. Yeah, yeah. But it all started in Chicago. You know, Jimmy had a different route in coming to the NBA. You know, he sat on the bench in the first few years. Yeah. So when he finally got his chance, bro, he embraced it. He took advantage of the moment, and he never looked back. So he understands his role playing with Steph. And he knows who's going to make them successful,

all the Ocho. So I think that's why he's trying to star in this Robin role as much as he can, especially if it's going to help them be successful. Well, he didn't start but he didn't do very well this maybe maybe he get off to a better start next year Yeah, I guess the Timberwolves he had that one game and that was it. That was it Joe I know we because that's cuz I can know Joe we we trying we won't Jimmy just go 40 and 50 points but He was out the end he was he was he was without the energy.

He was without Steph Curry. So, you know, it was tough. The onus was on him throughout the whole game. I know he got paid big money, but he wasn't going to be able to beat them Timberwolves by himself, man. Nah, we just wanted to give us game. That way maybe we get Steph back for game six. That's all we wanted.

And look, if I'm being honest, he looked like he'd been hobbled ever since he took that tough spell against Houston. He don he looked like he'd been hobbled ever since he took that tough spell against Houston. He don't look like he'd been right. The way he move out there, the way he move tomorrow, it all looks a little unorthodox to me. He didn't look like he was moving well. Yeah. What you think of it, Ocho?

I mean, listen, I can understand what Jimmy was coming from about being the Robin to Steph Curry being Batman, because I took that same approach. You remember, hell, I stood on the table with Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis in that 2010 season. I'm like, man, listen, during the off season, hey, hey, Coach, hey, Mike, we need to go get T.O. We need to go get T.O.

Now, you can understand what I've done for Cincinnati during that time, during that tenure, and going into year 10, I'm like, we need someone like this to get us over the hump. We're talking about one of the greatest players of all time. And I told Mike Brown and Marv, I said, I have no problem taking my back seat to who I know with my own two eyes

is better than me in every statistical category. Bring him in here, let's see if we can get him to help us out. I have no problem being being robbing So I can understand what Jimmy's coming from and in a sense and taking that back seat where the onus is really not on you They have to do all the work obviously football is a little different because it's 11 man game, but I Get it I get it Yeah, look Steph makes it easy for everybody because the floor is more spaced, there's more attention, eyes on him, and there's less eyes on the other

four individuals. And so God, he makes it easy for a lot of other people. That's what happens when you play with a great player, especially the greater the player, the historically great players, the greater the player, the more attention they draw, less attention you get. And so now that's why you hear all about it. It's so easy playing with great players. Yeah. Cause they make your job easier.

Cause now you're not the focal point. They are. Right. Right. Def is always going to probably get the best defender. And guess what? Y'all going to try to listen. Y'all going to try to trap him. Try to get the

ball out of his hands. He's gonna swing. He's gonna always do the right thing, make the right play. Now you're scrambling trying to get back. Playing, playing, playing four against three. Cause he always gonna have two on the ball when he got it. Or you playing four against four. The court is so spaced out open and they missed that against the T-Wolves. You know you need he's a game changer man he you know he's a guy who can explode for 40 50 points you know he was probably gonna have at least one or two of them in that series so without him it was hard for me to see the Warriors getting past him and that's the thing when you look at it. I don't know if it gets any easier

because as Steph gets older, the West gets tougher. There's a possibility Yannis comes to the West. There's a possibility the Lakers make a move, the Clippers can make a move. There's so much going. I mean that's why you have to really seize the moment in the moment Oh next year man. Hey, we get another year with Jimmy on that bill, right? Well, that ain't no guarantee It's not No guarantee. Oh Joe Maddie the Rockets mess around and made it make a trade and they get yonis. They get another piece boom the Clippers

Maybe they move something to Lakers, maybe they trade Austin Reeves and get a true big. Ain't no guarantees, man. That's why you have to take advantage of it in that situation. That's why I say Boston, you know, Boston won the championship. Oh man, they're gonna be loaded for years.

Look, and just like that. And Jason Tatum going for a year. Jason Tatum not playing next year. Yeah. No. No. He's not playing next year. If I'm not mistaken, year. Yeah. Oh, no, he's not playing next year If I'm not mistaken Kevin Ram is two seasons Man yes, it's definitely unfortunate man. They're kidding. He missed 18 months. He got hurt in June

Yeah, he's a started in October. He didn't play Then they came back. He didn't start to play they end up going to the bubble. He didn't play. Yeah that came back, he didn't start to play. They ended up going to the bubble. He didn't play. Yeah. So this is not an, you know, this is not an injury, you know, ACL, you see guys come back in seven months, eight months. Ain't happy with no Achilles.

Yeah, it takes time. It takes a lot of time because guess what? You're not wearing Baron for six to eight weeks. Then you got to build that calf all the way back up. And there's a really high rate of retears and Achilles. So you have to be extremely cautious. And I know JT is going to do everything he possibly can to come back.

He's young enough to come back. Look at KD. KD looked just as good, if not better, after the Achilles injury than he did before. KD didn't miss a beat. And KD got that little thin frame though. Yeah. You know, that frame, he gotta make a huge difference.

Well, yeah, he, I mean, I don't think, JT, JT just got wide shoulders. JT ain't no size, I mean, when you look at him, when you look at him, look how he gotta be, he gonna be all right. He gonna be all right, Joe. He gonna be all right, he gonna be all right. right. Like I said take air on the side of caution You got a very problem. You got another you got another ten years ahead of you JT air on the side of caution

I know the the the athlete in you the the champion in you gonna want to get back But don't even don't even chance, bro. Don't even chance it. Steve Kerr was asked about the Warriors offensive system and said, this is our solar system. Steph Curry is the sun. Steph is one of the all time great players playing at the peak of his powers, close to it. How many more years?

Steph is what, 37? 36, 37? How many more of these years do you believe we have with Steph? what? Thirty seven? Thirty six? Thirty seven? How many more? How many more of these years do you believe we have with Steph? Joe? I think Steph can play into his 40s. Now, what type of basketball are we talking about? I think I don't want to see him as the focal point. Maybe go team up with some guys that can take some pressure off of him. But if he's not the main guy to where you have to focus on,

oh yeah, I think he can play well into his 40s, I can't tell you, because he, I mean, he a shooter, shooter, shoot. Right. Yeah. I think the problem going to be is having to guard these little dudes that's coming into the NBA or that's ready here. You know, as you age, it get a little,

it get tougher and tougher. Or difficult to keep up with. And you heard G.G. Jackson say on the Scouting Report oh we got a pigeon. Don't let it fly. Don't let it get away. I mean who would you who would you get right where Steph doesn't have to touch the bar. Obviously Draymond sometimes you know. Draymond is, the point of time. But how long can Steph keep up with the running over and over and over and over and over the way he does?

I mean, he used to be able to be in that his game is not, it is. He doesn't bang as much, you know, well, he's not playing. He's not playing above the rim. He's not playing about it. He doesn't, he doesn't, it doesn't require him much, you know. Well, he's not playing above the rim. He's not playing above the rim. It doesn't require him putting his body on somebody, playing with his back to the basket, so you can bang on him, or he's banging on you. That's not what he does.

He might be able to play past 40 then. If that's the case. Oh yeah, I can see him playing another four years, four or five years. I would not be surprised if he played into his 40s, not just 40s. He's 38. He'll be, when will he be 37?

When will he be 38? Probably this year. Yeah. You think he'll finish off with in uh. Oh, he just turned 37 in March. And go to state. You think he'll go somewhere else or finish his career and go to state? I think, I think, I think he's going to be a, I think he's going to be a Colby.

I think he's going to put, you know, if a dirt, you know, dirt put all 20 there, Colby's spent all 20 there. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. It all depends. It all depends on how much. It all depends. It all depends on how much...

It's not like Golden State is not going to try to surround him with talent because we know that they're going on guy Kevin Durant. We see them go out and get Jimmy Butler. So Groover and Lakeham, they don't have a problem. They've been in the luxury tag They've been in the repeater and so they'll do whatever it takes in order to win a championship. The question is, if and when Steph will ever feel that he doesn't have a legitimate chance of winning a championship in Golden State, then will he be willing to say, you know what, I need to move on or does he just walk away? Yeah. Well, at what point will Steph feel Yonis feels in Milwaukee right now

But if he had he has owners that's willing to do what's necessary You continue to put the pieces around them to make sure you have a chance at contending each year Then I'm he probably can finish No, it's career there in Golden State. They got some pieces. I mean think about they got commingle. They got moody They got some draft capital. Okay I don't know if they have the same because they had to trade some of it to get Jimmy Butler. Right. They maybe gave up our first round pick and the wiggas to get Butler. But you still got Kaminga. You got Moody. Yeah. I think I think I think Steph will I think he'll probably stick around. I think they're

gonna use some of those young guys they got and some good trade baiting over there and try to bring in some more help to help their veteran group because you just signed Jimmy to a two year deal. Yep. It was a nice healthy one. And you know, you got him, you got Jimmy, Dre, my stuff. Yeah, if you could add probably another, some form of veteran help to some degree.

Yeah, I think they can still make another run at it. But for the most part, I don't know, man. I can see him playing somewhere else. How many more peak years you think he got? You think he can still play at the level that he's playing at until his 40s, or do we start to see a little a little Some of that dissipate

Man it definitely wouldn't be the shot that dissipates well Well as you get older the winter the first thing to go is your legs legs. Yeah, that's that's real hot Will he be able to continue to run at that pace? Yeah, create the separation, right? But it still gonna screen hell at you And he been doing all he been doing a lot of running for these past two years man So it's gonna catch up with you at some point, look, they hamstring, hey, let him know. While the time is undefeated,

but I think he definitely still has at least three to four more years left with good basketball in him. I just don't wanna see all the pressure on him. You know what I mean? Like, he needs some help. Maybe he ain't the leading scorer on the team, but he probably can be, you know, obviously one of your most important pieces,

but I guess only time will tell. Joe, what do you have Steph rank all time? Top five, top 10? As far as guards, or you just said- Overall. Well, that's tough. I probably for sure put him in top 10. I can see that.

You got him top five or top 10? No, I don't got him in the top five. I think I got him in the top 10. Ron Jordan, Kareem, Koby, Magic Magic, Will for me. And then that's my top five. 10, oh, whoo, Colby. Did you say Duncan? Duncan.

I might put Duncan at six, Colby at seven. But either way, just before this, we talking about top 10. Colby, Duncan, definitely in the top 10 for me. Yeah, I go Steph. Yeah. Steph. Birdshack. Okay, I go Steph. Yeah. Steph... Birdshack.

Okay, I can see that. Because Steph, he has changed the game. Yeah. Iconi. He got these young dudes shooting from half court. One step cross half now. They wasn't doing that. When I came out of school in 2000,

you know It's been it's been a thing's been a lot different So I definitely give him that man. He he changed the game the way we play the game Obviously playing with the Warriors playing that that small ball. He has you know, put his mark on the game for sure Yeah I mean I mean theoretically you could put I, you could make a case that Duncan is a top five.

Yeah, I know. I think, I think Kareem and Duncan are the most underappreciated players, great players because and I think it's because they're big. Because you know, first of all, Kareem was surly. Right. Um, and, and he did, he, he, he changed his name when it was very unpopular. You have to realize what was going on in the 60s and the 70s. Yeah.

So he wasn't the most popular player. Tim Duncan didn't say anything. Can you remember anything, can you remember anything in his 19-year career that he said that you were like, man, y'all remember when Tim said this? You can't. Listen, I had the pleasure to play against two of those Spurs teams and 03. We had Stephon Marlborough, I was playing with the Phoenix Suns. We had Stephon Marlborough, he's the one.

He was playing the point guards. Me, Steph, Penny, Sean Marion and Amari Stoudemire was just a rookie. Damn. Yeah, he was just a rookie. I was lonely, right? When we, we was an AC, we played against the Spurs who was a one seed and We won game one after that. It was a gentleman sweep, but Tim Duncan was so special bro. Like he was special man Nothing exciting about his game. He just got it done every night. You got that sheet

2015 32 17 but you like he ain't gonna wow you you you know, he just gonna get the job done. Mr. Fundamental. That's it. Break shot your ass to death. Right. And that's why I think, you know, people kind of underestimate, you know, his career and how it went.

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Yo, Magic did the baby sky against the Celtics. But, and that's the thing, I think those are two of the most underrated, cause you look at Kareem, he has six MVPs, six, led the league in scoring, led the league in rebounding, led the league in block shots. He's a 15 time all NBA selection, 11 time all defensive selection, a 19 time all star. He was the all time leading NBA selection 11 time all defensive selection a 19 time all-star He was the all-time lead in scoring NBA history. He's the third lead rebound in NBA history

People only talk about Korea I think Duncan five championships could have easily had six if Ray Allen didn't hit the most unbelievable shot in a pressurized moment in NBA history. Man, he's a defensive player. Didn't Timmy win the defense player of the year? I know he's a three time finals MVP and a two time MVP. I don't know if he won defensive player of the year, but he's an all defensive player. Yeah, he a bad boy. 15 time all defensive player.

15 time all NBA, 15 time all-star Yeah, and people look at him like he like he said a cheating All the all the and nobody I mean have anybody ever won I mean we had anyone like a thousand games He won like a thousand games. Yeah, I don't think he I don't think he ever won less than 50 Yeah, probably pop had that well or engine over there boy. I've had it going for four years Hey, okay. I'll show if y'all remember, you know back when they got Duncan Uh, I think it Robertson was still there Yeah, but I think he had got hurt the year before something they had that they had this subpar season

Yeah, but they were they were a great team but I think they had a major injury and yeah that's how they got the number one pick and it happened to be Tim Duncan and it just took them it took them over the top yeah Tim Duncan he won more games than anybody in NBA history right he's won a thousand and one game. So if a guy played 20 years he would need to win 50 games regular season that's just regular season. He would need to play 20 years and win 50 games every year to get to a thousand. Then get postseason as well. Oh no I didn't count his postseason wins. Oh you mean you got five championships three MVPs three finals MVPs two regular season MVPs

Yeah, a lot of these records ain't gonna never be broken man No, I guess all them records LeBron said and every time he scores a record then ain't nobody catching that No, thank you. Yeah, you don't think nobody catch LeBron. It's Especially now that the game has changed It's more free flow. I don't know if they're going to be able to play long enough, Ocho. You gotta thank them, Ocho. You said if he stopped now, he's still playing. He's still adding to that.

Right, you right. It's like Tom, when Tom broke the record, it's like, man, I don't know if anybody going to break this record. And then he plays another three years. I don't know if anybody gonna break this record and then he plays another three years Hey, I can really I can really see LeBron play at least at bare minimum two more years Hey look, it ain't even just a longevity. It's just how impressive he's doing it You know, it's still going 24 and a half points a game at 40. Oh chose like they may listen. That's crazy Yeah, I think you know Luca makes a little bit more easy because now he doesn't have the ball as much. Yeah Mm-hmm. That's that's crazy. Wait, they if they get if they get another special piece

Them Lakers get it in a big the Lakers the Lakers lead a big boy They gonna be nice cuz them Timberwolves ain't going nowhere baby. No No, okay. SeeC's not going anywhere either. Houston's up and coming. They got the pieces to make a move to go get somebody impressive. Right. The Clippers, I don't know if they have the... I don't know if they have the...

The draft capital. I mean really the only player that's... I mean you want to do everything you can to keep hard and Kawai Then the big zoo bots, so I don't know if they have the pieces to go get somebody else to aid them Yeah, but a lot of these records like they not I Mean LeBron theoretically how many points he got like forty two thousand forty one thousand. I Mean theoretically he can retire with 43,000 points He got 42,000 so theoretically he could have 40 if he plays two more years he'll have 44,000

Man 44,000 points That's crazy man 44,000 points That's crazy man Never gonna be ain't nobody catching it bro, they not catching it. I mean and what he's a He could easily be first team all NBA. So that'll be a 14 time first team all NBA selection He's gonna be able to make one of the teams one through three. So now he'll be a 21 time all NBA selection. He's a 21 time all star. What, five time all NBA, four time,

what, five or six time all NBA, four or five, first team all NBA selection. Four MVPs, four finals MVPs, three all star game MVPs. Hey, that's the funny thing, Unk and Joe. When you think about everything LeBron has accomplished, the pressures that won him when he came out of high school, the consistency in everything he was able to overcome, and being consistent year in and year out,

and all the accolades, his resume and his totality, and there's still people that have things negative to say about him when it comes to the game of basketball. Like, there's like, they have, at this point you just have to make up something or, or like he's done it all. What else can he do? Comes with it, man. Comes with the territory. What the hell else can you do?

That's- Nothing. That's, that of territory. What the hell else can you do? That's nothing. That's crazy. Yeah. The 76ers are expected to listen to offers for the number three overall draft pick per the athletic. It's expected that the sixes will listen to offers for the number three, but it's unclear whom the team would take if it stays.

Rutgers Bailey has been seen as the biggest upside swing and he feels a theoretical position of need for the Philly as a big wing. That means that possibly, I mean, are you going to move? We'll talk about that in a minute. But he also is viewed as the more of a project Wisconsin executive than the Sixers front office that likely need to win next year to keep their jobs. I've also gotten a wider sense of the appreciation of the front offices for the edge comb than Bailey. Are the Sixers, question is, are the Sixers a pick away or a trade away from being a contender? You got Joellen Bede, you got PG, you got Tyrese Maxey.

Is Bailey the piece that puts them over the hump let me tell you they need to swing that pick into a a proven player Man, I like Bailey they'd be crazy not to drive Bailey with that third pick. Let me tell you all these kids are projects What I mean the Cooper flag is a project right? They know given none of these dudes gonna come into this league in the first year, you banking on them to play significant minutes and turn you into a household franchise.

No, it's gonna take time. Even if, okay, Dallas draft, Cooper flag, and they keep him with AD and counter, that's gonna be a project as well Right like they all gonna be projects man But they'll win there I believe they'll win more because they got more solid quality players to start with a lot of times when the guy goes number one Overall, he's going to a team. They really got nothing to work with. I mean like like Ant Man He went to he went to uh, he went to Minnesota. They have the head cat

Cat wasn't no one on the wrong draft pick. Right, right. And Cat had to suffer through all them years and then, okay, we get a number one pick again, now we got Ant-Man, now we got us something. Yeah. It's kind of how it goes, you know what I mean? But I like Ace Bailey, I like his upside.

Yes, he will be a project, but I think in two to three years, he will for sure be able to help Philly definitely do something. So, I mean, they don't have nothing in the draft, right? You think about it, a team even willing or even thinking about listing the office for that third pick. So there's nobody in this draft coming out this year that is similar to how Ant-Man was when he was at Georgia.

No. coming out this year that is similar to how Ant-Man was when he was at Georgia. Nothing like that. And, and, and... Let like, or LeBron. Yeah. Or Wimby, or Zion. You like, can't miss. Right. Can't miss. The only thing, and I said this before, I said the only thing that concerns me about Zion is his weight

Because he's a big young man. Yeah big young man turning the big old man big old man can't play sports It's really that simple Joe I think they They might move it But I've never got I've never got the sense, Joe, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm interested to hear what you think. I never really felt that Zion was happy about going. I think Zion would have preferred to be number three overall and go to New York than be number one overall and go to New Orleans.

Yeah, I definitely agree. I think his run in New Orleans is over, but I never felt his heart was there, you know, in playing because the only way you can show that you care is if you get your butt out there on the court. Yeah. You know, get a fan something to see. And for the most part, it's been non-existent. Now, when he do play- Oh, he's unbelievable. He is amazing. So, yeah, I'm sure he want that New York market. I'm sure he wanted to go there. He would have oh my god Can you a? You you're right. You're right Joe and you know, it's like

Everybody's gonna sign that rookie max extension. Yeah, be foolish not to is a hundred and fifty hundred and sixty million dollars And you got coming out going into your third, you know coming out of your third year You'd be foolish not to sign it. But he was like man first chance I could get you know he liked one of them guys guys like man he's a really hard worker when he shows up now he works hard we just can't get him to come all the time you know you've heard bosses say that by workers boy he's not gonna go you get him here now he gonna work for you. He's just getting him here. With Zion's on the court, nobody can question Zion's ability.

It's just that more times than not, Ocho, he's probably missed more games than he's played games. And it's hard. The fans get frustrated, front office get frustrated. Now all of a sudden people are questioning how serious are you taking it? You see you're not controlling your wage, you're not disciplined like you need to be.

It's just, it's a tough sale. Yeah, it is. I think there's gonna be a lot of moving pieces this summer in the NBA, meaning like- I do too. Some big guns. Yeah. I think I do too. I'm gonna get moved around this summer.

I love what a game is to, you know, these teams competing in the playoffs. We've been able to see some pretty good basketball. I know this Celtics game tonight wasn't great, but for the most part, you know, everything's been competitive. It's been fun to watch and then ultimately that's what you want, you know. Yeah, you know, they just got this new deal. They're going to Amazon, NBC. So you're in the first year of this collective bargain new deal, what, 77 billion?

So I think you're gonna have some pieces too. I think there's gonna be a lot of movement this off season. A lot of movement. Yeah, I definitely do. Like I'm talking about some of our favorite ones. Some of our favorite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if Philly moved Paul George. Or tried to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Philly moved Embiid. I wouldn't either, yeah. What? That's what I'm saying. Maybe Embiid to the Lakers. You talking about you say they need to be. What you think? Oh yeah, but the thing is that what you want, you want ruin and Austin Reeves cuz I'm not getting LeBron LeBron has a no trade

And you're not getting Luca So what do you want? Austin Reeves and really? That's it Yeah, they don't have to take they don't have to take something but it definitely won't be LeBron Luca Yeah, it won't be neither one of them because you want to pair them with them. Right. Right. And, ooh. And that's, yeah, but I think there's gonna be

a lot of moving pieces. Would I be surprised if the Pelicans moves Ion? No. No. I think there's a 60, 70% chance they do. Yeah. I agree. I think soon, they probably working on it right now.

Soon as the trade open up. First day is smart. And here's the thing. I'm not so sure either one will be disappointed. I don't think Zion will be disappointed if he traded and I don't think the Pelicans front office is betrayed Wait a minute now. He might be disappointed depending on where he goes And he'll be disappointed. You don't think so. I don't think he I don't think he thinks looks at anything

It's worse than where he currently is right. That's just me talking. I don't know But I'm not saying I'm not talking to it but I don't I don't I don't think he views any place that he could potentially go in the NBA is Worse than where he's currently at and well, New Orleans is beautiful. Well when New Orleans is that yeah It is if you want to go sightsee if you want to go eat From a basketball standpoint, I mean I've used Zion is one of those players Generational talents that can change the game.

He can change the franchise. He just hadn't been able to stay on the court. Okay. So how can he change it off the court? Is he a martyr? He'll silver. He'll he'll he'll an activist. I mean, so how are you going to change it?

She ain't going to change it nowhere else then. What's the difference? Hey, who knows? I mean, sometimes you go to a chain of scenery and Ocho you feel you heal up like Wolverine huh? Man. You heal up and then guess what? You ain't making that big, you ain't need no beignets, you ain't need no etouffée, no boudin, no jambalaya.

You every, Ocho, if you got to, first of all, uh, in, I think New Orleans or Memphis, one of them is like, was voted the fattest city than the USA. The fattest? Yeah. So you don't want to be, if I, if I got, if I got an eating problem, Ocho, the last place I want to be is a place that have food and I can get it in the top. No. Right. You're like, know, everywhere got food. Everywhere ain't got no food like New Orleans. Stop it. Ain't no, I wonder how many, they probably got one vegan spot in New Orleans. Everything else is heavy cream, heavy sauce, lard. Hey, some of the

best cooking in the world come from down in New Orleans now. Yes. the best day. I'm coming to play. Some of the best cooking in the world come from down in New Orleans now. Yes. Oh my goodness. Hey, guess what? As soon as you eat it, you want to go lay down and go to sleep. Sleep, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I want to see him. I want to see Zion move too. I ain't gonna lie. Ocho, I want to see him. We want to see him go. We might need to get him down out of Miami with Pat lie. Ocho, I wanna say. Hey look. We wanna see him go. We might need to get him down there to Miami with Pat Riley, Ocho, let him put their work on him.

Oh, okay, okay. I'll make your call. There might be one person y'all might be able to get this summer. Y'all might be able to get him. Y'all might be able to get him, Ocho. I mean, pair him with Bam and Hiro, Tyler Hiro. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

I like that. That'd be a nice front line. I like it. Him and Bam. I like that. That'd be a nice front line. I like him and Bam. I like it. But I'm honestly I like I like Yannis and Ja. I bet you do like Yannis. Hey, hey, I like to be honest with you. I like Yannis and Ja. I bet you do like Yannis. Yeah, I ain't getting no Yannis and Ja, bet you do like Yardis They ain't get no Yardis and job bro, I'm sorry to tell you all right listen I sat in the rooms I Didn't been in the room. So I Okay, oh Joe. I got another hypothetical for y'all. I got one more hypothetical. Okay, uh Let's say we get a-Man and S.A.G. Shay next round.

Let's say OKC gone, Closie, boys out. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. T-Woolz and the Thunder next round, who y'all got? Ooh, woo, god damn it. Hey, honestly, I'm going with Ant. Who you going with? I'm going with Ant. Yeah, I'm going Who you go with? Yeah, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put a home Listen if ant man pull this, you know what off?

And get that goddamn trophy in that ring Man I don't care if you don't want to be the face of the league boy You better you going on you look you finna Be the NBA logo nigga. Hey look, and that's the thing that scares me. Okay, oh, Joe because he don't want none of that He don't want no sometime when you chosen you don't have a choice because the things that's gonna be presented you know as far as y'all making it if y'all can make it to the Finals and you do win a championship man. Listen, you can tell them folks all you want to you don't want to be no face Okay Because he understands what comes along with the face, you know, he don't want to give up what he has going on now

Being the face They go over the thing that he does Everybody like to be incognito. Yeah, because they're gonna scrutinize you. You know they're gonna. Oh yeah, for sure. You're gonna be in that fishbowl and everything you do, they gonna attack you, that's part of it. I think I read a quote today,

a George says he doesn't know if he could have played in the social media age, the Twitter and all that other stuff. Because they called it. Think about all the stuff he got into and we didn't even have that back then. You know what I mean? They was catching them doing all these things man nowadays It's like and people people were happy to keep a secret that they saw George out. Yeah, but you're much pleased Yeah, now they they ain't happy they tried to keep no secret. They tried to put you on blast

Yeah, oh yeah phones out flash out Yeah, yeah, man. Just get back. That's all that like a good luck in the morning. Oh Man you ain't gonna believe who man you ain't gonna believe this I hate when people do it. Hey, man, you hey you ain't gonna guess who I saw who man get bro I ain't ask you where you were you told me I'm not gonna guess who you saw so now who did you see man get I don't even want to know no more man. Don't worry about it. Thank you Yeah, that's the thing and so now

People could keep a secret back there. Yeah Ain't no like keeping no secret now. No, sir. No, it's gonna be the first one to tell they want to be the folk the 411 They want to give you the info first There you go There you go. There you go. And I was such a slut. Who's that? Yeah. Now you trending, you going viral, you don't even know nothing about it. All the time the guys used to come into the city, or they go to Nicky's, or they go to

XYZ, and you never knew about it. Man, it's hard to get somebody to go to Nicky's or they go to XYZ. And you never knew about it. Man, it's hard to get somebody to go to the place. Somebody, man, I saw such and such. Bro, that man didn't ask you to tell that. Right. He didn't want that. A matter of fact, he didn't want nobody to know. He told you that's why he didn't take no picture with you,

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