Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Knicks Fight Back + Haliburton the Face of the NBA?

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson & Mario Chalmers react to Game 5 of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals matchup between Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks vs. Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers, and much more!01:47 - Introduction04:00 - Knicks v Pacers26:00 - PG says Hali is the face of the NBA31:00 - Thunder to the NBA Finals40:00 - Pat Bev on SGA not embracing him for wearing Antman jersey49:50 - Antman back in the lab this summer1:06:30 - Giannis has more All NBA selections than KD(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One eleven, the pace is 94. The Knicks dominate this game from start to finish and they were sensational tonight and it started on the defensive end. Jalen Brunson was Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns did what we always wanted him to do is put the ball on the floor and put his head down and get to the basket. He was really, really good tonight, but I thought overall this was the Knicks' best game. Yeah, they won two games, but they didn't look this good in game three in which they won.

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Double-double off the bench. Detlef Shrimp in 1992, Josh Hart iners, double-double off the bench, death lift shrimp in 1992, Josh Hart in 2025, Hart is only 6'4". Real, let me get, I'm gonna know what you think about this. You look at the Knicks and they use desperation. They know, we don't win this game, it's over, we had a great season, whatever, yada, yada,

so forth and so on. But I think that, thought that night they came out with more of a sense of purpose, or more of a sense of urgency. And it started from the defensive end. They did an unbelievable job. Tyrese Halliburton, seven shots, seven. Miles Turner, three shots.

Pascal Siakam, 13 shots. So when you look at it and you see the most guy, the guy that took the most shot tonight, he only had 13 shots. So when you look at it and you see the most guy, the guy that took the most shots tonight, he only had 13 shots. That lets you know the defense was locked in. They turned him over. They did a great job. What did you like from what you saw from the Knicks,

knowing it was win or go home? I mean, lose or go home? Well, like you said, the intensity was out there from the jump. They were very physical from the jump. Then the body on Tyrese every time he came for a handoff or off the screen or roll. They just made sure they stayed uncomfortable.

And I think that was the game plan and they stuck to it and they didn't have any let downs. I think that's the main thing, where you have a game plan going into a do or die game like this. Yep. Any little mental breakdown can cost you the game. And just from looking at the game, they didn't have any.

So on the defense end, I should say. So that's what really helped them pull away from this game. I thought also they did a great job of closing out each quarter because you see a little run that the Pacers would try to make in the middle, like the last six minutes left, four minutes left. And you know what? They'd get it to like, you know, in the first half, they get it to with like single digits and then they push it out there again. And we saw this in the third quarter, they got it down to 10, they push it back to 18.

We saw this in the fourth quarter, they push it down and they extend it right back. Oh Joe, you looking at this and we always say, the Pacers are at their best when Tyrese Halliburton is aggressive. Now I don't know if it was the defense, because as Rio said, they did an unbelievable job of crowding him

They did an unbelievable job of putting body on body They let him play a little bit tonight, but I thought at some point in time, bro You you a put your head down to he had two threes the other night. Remember what you had 12 3.3. Yeah, he had 20 20 plus what 20 plus shot attempts now. He only had seven What was most disappointing from what you saw from the Pacers? It's not even disappointment. It seemed like the Pacers knew they had a home game. They understood that their home game was back at home. So there was no sense of urgency on their half. There was no sense of desperation. The desperation part was on the Knicks.

You know, the type of defense, the type of defense, Mario, they played the night, the kind of defense, they should have been playing the past three games. Right. So obviously based on, based on from what I'm saw, based on what I did, what I did see tonight from the Pacers, it's like, okay, you know what?

We're gonna let these boys have this. You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think Bill's gotta be paid. And you know, Bill's gotta, okay, you know what? We're gonna let these boys have this. You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think Bill's gotta be paid. And you know, Bill's gotta be paid, huh? You know what I'm trying to say? So I mean, you know, forget it. We're gonna be gonna let them have a game, make it interesting, and we gonna close out at home.

Yeah, I think when I watched this ball game and I watched the Pacers and saw the way they played the first five games, I mean, the first four games, and look at the way they played tonight. I hardly recognize this team. I really didn't with the turnovers, the carelessness with the basketball. Ty Rees, he didn't have any turnover,

but he was not as aggressive as I thought he would be. The bench, I mean, you got Bathburn played unbelievable again, but I don't know what's going on with Nemhar, cause he's been struggling. Two of the last three games, he's really struggled. He put together one the other night, but in game four, but game three, he has not played well. Me Smith had another dud tonight, one of eight from the floor,

one of eight from three, only played 16 minutes. I don't know if that ankle is bothering. Remember he tweaked that ankle, left the game, but he did come back in. But if they want to close the Knicks, if they think the Knicks are just going to tuck their tails and go running high, they're sadly mistaken. And I hate... Riyad, let me know what you think about this.

I hated putting off... tomorrow what I could do today. Because ain't no guarantee, you make it seem like it's a foregone conclusion that y'all just so... y'allall just gonna just wipe the floor with them. Ain't no foregone conclusion because you rolled ankle away, you somebody filed trouble away, you just one play away and now all of a sudden the Knicks get their van and they're like, hey, we going back home and then, uh-oh, won't help you. Right.

I agree with you on that one. Um, you gotta put them away when you got them. Cause you definitely don't want to have a game of seven in the garden. That, yeah, that's the mecca. That's where everything happens in that place. So that atmosphere is gonna be crazy. And if you ain't ready to perform in that atmosphere, you will get blown out.

So I definitely agree with you on that one. They shoulda handled business tonight. Well, hold on, Mario, hold on. Let me make sure I'm hearing this right. Unc, you sound a little nervous. No, Mario. Hold on. Hold on. Let me make sure I'm hearing this right. I don't keep sounding a little nervous No, Mario. You sound a little nervous that there's are we are we saying that the Knicks have a Chance to come back and win this every week. I'm not nervous at all But I don't have a sin in this game, but I do want the next to come back I want to see a game seven in the garden. I definitely want to see that

Yeah I think the next I think the Kn, the Pacers will play better at home. Um, I think now they understand, they understand the Knicks is gonna come out with a little bit more physicality. The refs let them play a little bit early. I mean, I was like, damn, y'all ain't gonna call that. They're like, no, we ain't calling that. Get up. Hey. Hey, the referee said, get up. We ain't calling that bulljie. And so, yes, I think the Pacers will be ready, will be more ready for the physicality

in which the Knicks displayed tonight. I think guys are gonna be a little bit more aggressive than what they showed tonight. Tyrese Halliburton, no, they are not winning a game with him taking seven shots. Pascal Siakam, no, they're not winning a game with him just taking 13 shots. Miles Turner with three shots.

That's not nearly, nearly enough. So, and nobody really was in foul trouble but Nemhard, but like I said, he hadn't really played well two of the last three games, maybe three of the last four. I have to go back and check. But I thought Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson got it going early in that first quarter and he didn't let up. And then when he let off cat pick right up cat had 24 13 and that's 50% shooting this is what we've been people have been Imploring cat to do cat Rose stop selling for threes You don't need to have 10 12 3-point attempts when you got it the whole garden cat because most of the time

Ain't nobody got no seven foot defenders that can play out on the wing. Okay maybe there's Evan Mobley. Okay maybe Jabari Smith Jr. but there's not a whole lot of those guys that can match Kat. Get down on the block. You're gonna have the advantage. You're gonna have the advantage. You see he put his head down tonight and hit the LeBron shrug when he got an A1, got a couple of A1s. This is the cat that we expect to see. But sometimes he fall in love Rio out beyond that three-point line and the team, they're perfectly intent. They're perfectly intent to let him shoot those. All right, that's cat for you though. He don't like being in the paint. Like he

said, he the best shooting big man I ever played. So quote-unquote that's what he said. No, Dirk is the best shooting big man ever played. So quote unquote, that's what he said. No, Dirk is the best shooting big man. That's what Kat said. I'm just telling you what Kat said. They got nothing to do with me. I don't agree with that statement at all, but that's what he said.

No, you ain't the best shooting big man after seven years when Dirk got 20. I saw Dirk 20 your resume. Yeah, I'll put you in that word. So it's just something he talked. So he tried to prove it. He stay on the perimeter and he just trying to use it to his advantage, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, the Pacers, 20 turnovers tonight, they don't normally have, they're lucky. A lot of times they'd be like in the teens, like 13, 14, 20. I mean, some of us careless that led to easy run out. Can't do that on the road. But you know what? We can say Tyrese Halliburton wasn't aggressive and Sealkam and Miles Turner didn't play well and all that be true.

But it wasn't like they were in a shoot around. It wasn't like they were in a layup line. They were playing somebody and somebody forced them to not be as aggressive as they needed to be. Someone forced them into those tough shots. Someone did a great job of getting on the offensive glass and give them second chance opportunities. Somebody did a great job of preventing them from getting out

because we know make or miss, the paces won't run. They did a great job of getting on Halliburton or getting on those guys that had the ball early so they couldn't get the ball ahead with any efficiency. So give the Knicks credit. The Knicks did what they had to do. Because if they didn't, guess what? And the last thing you want, Rio, you know this.

You don't want nobody celebrating on your damn court. Hold on. Hey, I mean, hey, Mario, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I mean, based on what I'm watching, and I can use an analogy in a sport that I know very well. I'm gonna just take boxing for instance. I'm gonna take boxing for instance.

You know, you get to round six or seven and you know, you up on a scorecard. So you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take round. I'm gonna take round seven off and I'm gonna relax. That's what the paces look like tonight. We know we got it in the bag. So we're going to relax. We're going to let him have his game. You know, you got a full play of playing inconsistent. You got two of the better players that have been very aggressive and put up crazy work, all of a sudden they decide

not to play and be aggressive this game. It's like they took the night off. That's exactly what it looked like. Even though we say we want to give Nick credit, well hell, what was the same defense in the same way Nick played tonight, the previous three games? They had that same desperation. They knew tonight was a real winner go home, especially on their home floor. They didn't want to deal with them Nick fans all summer hearing that they got beat 4-1,

especially on their home floor. So the sense of desperation brings out different characters. And you know, New York stepped it up and they just about to figure Cali and you know, Indiana kind of backed down. They kind of threw a couple shots and New York stepped it up and they just about to finish the county and you know, Indiana kind of back down. And they kind of threw a couple of shots and New York didn't back down. So they kind of back down. I was like, all right, Reno, so let's go tonight. You're going to have this one.

Yeah. But here's the thing, though, Ocho, is that sometimes all it takes and you say a boxer, you know, he's up on the scorecard six round. Sometimes all it takes is one round to swing the momentum of the fight. Now he lands a couple of punches. Now all of a sudden you see he hurt you. Now all of a sudden that he was like damn I'm about to mail this thing in and the next thing you know like oh I got a chance. I got a chance.

So one was 6-0. Now he done got a knockdown. So now guess what? I got two points. Yeah now. Yeah it's going to call a damn day even. And so now the niggas like hold on. Oh they bleed too. Yeah, spoke about them that evening. Yeah, yeah. And so now the Knicks, like, hold on. Oh, they bleed too.

Yeah. Oh, hey, let's keep this thing. Because if you think about it, the Knicks have come back. This is the first game they've led, y to y. Mm-hmm. All the other games, they've been behind, Ocho. They've been down. So they're like, hold on.

What, let's just say for the sake of argument, what happens if we don't let them get out to 15 or 20, 22 point lead? What if we make this thing nip-tuck all the way down to the, to the wire? We know we got the best clothes in the NBA. We got the guy that won the award. Jalen Bronson was the club was, was voted to clutches. And we've seen him all through it. We saw him against the Pistons. We saw him against clutches. And we've seen him all the way. We saw him against the Pistons.

We saw him against the Celtics. And we've seen him in this series. So we know, let's just say for the sake of argument, we'll get this thing down to the last five minutes of the ball game. And that game was then five points. I like our chances guys. Let's see what we can do.

Let's, hey, let's keep them at bay. Let's not let these horses out the stable where they, hey, let's turn them into plow horses. Let's keep, get let's keep them at bay. Let's not let these horses out the stable where they, hey, let's turn them into plow horses. Let's keep, get them in the half court set where they can't get up and down and use all that athleticism, them young legs that they got. Let's get them in the half court set and let's see how well they execute. Because that's what the Knicks did a great job of doing tonight.

Look at what Halliburton was trying to hand the ball off. Damn timeline. Look at when Halliburton was trying to hand the ball off. All the damn timeline. That pressure was getting to him. Eight times big pass to three-point line, Rio. They had a damn big half court trying to do a dribble handoff. In the screening room, they're like, nah bro, you're not getting down this lane

at the free throw line, hell nah. Because now all of a sudden we get you at the free throw line, you hit that little funky jumper, or you get a big onus and you step back and hit that three onus, or you dump it down the Pascal of miles Turner. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.

Create mismatches. That's what he likes to do. Yep. But I thought they look desperate time calls for desperate measure. The Knicks. One Nick fan said he paid a witch to cast a spell to help the Knicks win tonight. I don't know. Hey, hey, nah.

If you, if you, if you a gambler man. I don't know. If you were a gambling man, I don't gamble, Mario, but if you were the gambling man and you had to pick a team to bet on tonight, it's common sense. It's the Knicks. Bet on the Knicks. Yeah, pick up the Knicks. Playing the goddamn guards.

You're the one you would grip. Yeah, I'd have took that bet. You would grip. And just the way the basketball guards work. Yeah, I agree. You get no argument for me. But I would have picked the next, but I thought given the way the Pacers played against the Cavaliers, when they had an opportunity to close it out in game five real, they went on the road and they closed it out.

So I thought that, you know, a little bit of that like, okay, they're gonna close this thing out. I don't know. I didn't believe in Cleveland all year. I think they had a great season, but when it came to like playoffs and focus then, I didn't think they would go too far in the playoffs. So I think I had Indiana winning that one. So I'm gonna be getting in the way. So I don't believe in Cleveland.

Well, yeah, I think when you look at it, Cleveland was underdog, excuse me, Cleveland. Well, yeah, I think, I think, um, when you look at it, Cleveland was underdog, under, excuse me, Cleveland, the Pacers with underdog in both series, they're underdog in this series. They're up three, two now. They were underdog against Cleveland. They beat them for one. Um, the Knicks were underdog against Boston. They beat them for one. So for the most part, uh, the Eastern conference has been all about upsets. Yeah, pretty much. Who'd be the healthiest at the, at the right moment? Yeah.

Saturday is going to tell me, look, that first quarter is going to tell us a lot. We're going to see who's tight. We're going to see how well the Pacers can handle adversity. Given the magnitude of this moment You do not want to go back to Madison Square Garden. Hey, I might go back to go shopping They might have a fashion show there. That's the only way I'm going back to New York I am NOT going back to play another basketball game Until October November December

I'm rooting for a game seven. I want to see game seven in the guard. So I hate to say it but I want the Knicks to win. You know being a heat guy we never root for the Knicks so I want to see a game seven. Well how you ain't, well I know you ain't rooting for the Pacers because I think y'all played them like three years in a row. Yeah but we beat them. I ain't worried about them. New York, we inherit that beat from Tim Hardaway and the Lanzo and all that, so we had no choice. We had no choice. We don't like bossy music.

I think y'all only played the Knicks once in the playoffs. Yeah. And I think y'all swept them that year, cause I think Mello had 51 games, but y'all still ended up beating them. I mean, that was very consistent here at 50, but we beat them 4-1. They beat us. Y'all beat them 4-1. They beat, uh...

Y'all beat them 4-1? Okay. Yeah, they beat us in our game in New York. Yeah, it's, it's, um... But I thought the Knicks played well tonight. It was desperation. They didn't really have a choice in the matter, but to play well because if they don't win, they're going home.

And so at least, hey, that's the rule of thumb. It's like, look, give me two, Jaylen Bronson-Protest said, hey guys, give me two a game six. If you give me two a game six, I'll get you two a game seven. But just give me to a Jalen Bronson process a guy give me to a game six if you give me to a game six I get you to a game seven, but just give me to a game six and I came along miles Bridget Oh gee the played well defend Let me look oh gee hadn't shot the ball well three or 14 from the floor one of seven from the field

But I think he's playing outstanding defense. He's doing a great job of Bodying up making it really really tough Pascal. Pascal has his work cut out because he's got to battle Cat on one end, all the while trying to get through OG on the other end. So he's probably exhausted at the end of the night. He's probably sleeping like a baby. Because they're asking an awful lot because Cat has no small task down on the block.

And you see once Cat put his head down, he's going through it. Every time, they gotta bring a double team. So... Gotta. We'll see what the gestures they make for this next game. It'll be interesting to see. The Come Up just asked if... Huh?

Okay, the Come Up series just asked if these teams were a company in the stock market What would they be Bitcoin up and down They damn sure ain't no blue chip steady, I did not Microsoft they not Google They not Amazon They're not Microsoft, they're not Google, they're not Amazon, they're not one of the big problems, the tin that Berkshire have the way that we... They're kind of like Bitcoin. Because you know Bitcoin, hey, I think I saw today was $111,000 a coin, hey, tomorrow it might be $85,000 a coin. You understand Bitcoin? You understand digital currency?

I don't understand it, no. I don't even got a wallet, let alone a digital wallet. Yeah, I don't understand it at all. I got somebody to do all that for me, so I'll just check in and get updates. Oh, you got some up? You purchased something early on, Rio? I got something early on and I got some XRP, but I couldn't explain too much to it to you. So you had to talk to my guy. Yeah, I had an opportunity to get some early on when it was like $2,000, $3,000 coin. And I didn't know. It's just hard.

It's kind of like when you go to the casino, Ocho, you see all these games, and the dealers try to get you to sit down, I say, nah, y'all have to give me some money. I say, I gamble with your money, but I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I damn sure ain't gambling with mine, but I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I damn sure ain't gambling with mine when I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I'm gonna take my ass to the blackjack of the craft table, something I understand.

But y'all talk about Baccarat and, you know, pow-goll. Bro, I don't know anything about that. So I'm not finished sitting down with my money. And you mean to tell me you want me to learn how to play a game with my money? Now listen, now if they really want to get people in the casino, I know casino is a place where everybody goes, but we talking about to get everybody in there, put some goddamn

faves in there, people can gamble on it. I got something better for you. It's too slow of a game, Mocho. I got something better for you. We trying to get Bure in the casino. Bure? Yeah, I know you don't know about Bure. We trying to get Bureure to casino right now.

As though. But Spades takes too long Ocho. Because, yeah, because you're not going hand to hand. You going, you gotta go to a score. You gotta get to a number. They want that thing, hey. And they want that fast money. Yeah.

And then who the house partner? Individuals say that's what you gotta do. Hey, I like that. I like that. But that's the thing. And they won't, you know, I think they can have up to seven at a table. They want all seven.

Hell, if I'm playing spades, I gotta partner, you gotta partner, that's it. That's all we can play. Right. So they want multiple players that they want to try to get off as many hands as they possibly can. So, nah, I don't think that's happening. But I would probably say-

I say Uno. Uno is a fast paced game, especially when you have players that play fast and not wasting time. Can you imagine Uno at the MGM? There's too many rules to Uno. Everybody has their own rules. How you gonna play?

Yeah, cause you put a draw four down, I put a draw four on top of it, I got one. Yeah, I'm seeing you can't- And that's first, you got a draw eight. And you not supposed to put no draw four, you got a got one. Yeah. And that's first. You're not supposed to put a draw for it. So that's the way I'm going to play. So yeah, they got to have some set rules. Yeah. And the thing is people like, no, that ain't the way we play, bro. You in the casino. How you play don't matter. House rules.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Paul Jordan says Tyrese Halliburton is the face of the NBA. In my eyes, I think he's a superstar. He's the face of the NBA. He's the number one option and he sets up points first. He can be your late game scorer. He's been clutch before in the late game.

He can be an isolation player and that's just not his calling. I want to see him continue to do this, which I know he will. Tyrese Halliburton is not the face of the NBA. He's not. I get Paul George. That's the team that drafted you and gave you an opportunity, but we're not fit to do that. Yeah. I can't agree with that one. He trying to show some loyalty, but that ain't it.

That ain't it. Ain't nobody thinking Tyrese Halliburton is the face of the NBA. It's funny how he goes from overratedton is the face of the NBA. Uh-uh. It's funny how he goes from overrated to now the face of the NBA by certain individuals, and we had the conversation about him being whether a superstar or a star, and I said he was a star. But after that, what was the game? Game three performance? After that game three performance,

I had to almost, I had to almost like, well, wait a minute now, this is more than just a star, goddamn superstar, based on that performance. But if he can continue to play the way he always plays and do it consistently year to year, then he's absolutely a star. He's a star, I'll say he's a star.

Yeah. He's a star. I won't get a superstar status yet. Yeah. Not yet, okay. It's just hard for a guy to be the face without being able to be flashy. You see, like, Magic had the no look pass. He was a big guy. Magic couldn't score. He was a pass for his guard. But Magic had the smile. Magic had the no look pass. We had never seen anything like Magic.

We see Jordan up over the top. We see Dr. J could fly through the air. We see Kobe, we see LeBron, we see Steph. I mean, that's kind of the package that you need to have that people like, I don't know, Rio, if somebody going out like, hey, baby, Pacers coming to town, I gotta go see Tyrese tonight. I don't know if that's the way Pacers. I'm not talking about Indiana fans. I'm talking about when I go to the garden.

NBA fans, very, yeah. Right, right. You in Sacramento, OKC, and the Lakers come to town. You trying to go see Braun. You trying to go see Steph. You want to go see Luca. I don't know if Kyrie's Halliburton. This is not a knock. Because I think he's a phenomenal player.

And I agree with you, Real. I think he's a star. But I just don't think he, he's what gets people to get out of their house, go into their pocket like, damn, man, I gotta come up a hundred dollars on to go to see T.D. Ticket, man, I gotta go see Tyrese play tonight. I don't view him as that.

When you put it, when you use that analogy like that, it makes much more sense. It can be much more clear to the general public on the difference between a star and a superstar. A superstar, you paying your money. Even if you don't got it, you're gonna find, you're gonna get it from somewhere. Yeah. That got to watch and play. Yes.

And that goes for any sport. You have football players, then you have stars, then you have superstars. Hell, Jamar Chase coming to town, I'm going to get me a ticket. Right. When Michael Pickles playing, he coming up. Definitely going to get a ticket today. I'm going to get me a ticket. Right. When Mike Pickles playing, oh, he's coming up. You're definitely going to get a ticket for that. I'm going to get that ticket. Hell yeah. Like there's a difference.

And opposing teams, opposing fans. Man, I got to get that LeBron jersey. I got to get that Dev Curry jersey. I got to get X, Y, and Z. I just don't know if people are like that. Like that's not not. So Chad, I don't want you to think I'm trying to knock the guy. But when you talk about the face of the league, first of all, he ain't been in enough commercials.

He ain't been in enough commercials. I mean if you if you're just going by commercials, forget the big guns. You gotta take Jason Tatum because Jason Tatum before he got hurt he was in every damn commercial. You gotta say, hit him in the head. Yeah, I'm gonna say, hit him in the head man. That's the that's the truth you see everywhere. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm sorry, him and that man. That's the that's the truth. You say it. Or yeah. So Tyrese to be the face of the league. And I get what Paul George said. Paul George, I'm sure he still has love with Indiana.

Um, you know, they drafted him. He did a great job. He drug that team, um, to the, to the finals, Eastern conference finals. Uh, he was a phenomenal player, but to say Tyrese is the face of the NBA and you still got Steph and you still got LeBron in it And you at the face of the NBA You ain't like 29th 25th in Jersey sales Yeah, it's not three for sure so yeah, I'll put you on that one. I don't see so many people rocking a Pacers jersey Yeah So yeah, I'll put you on that one. I don't see so many people rocking a Pacers jersey. Yeah

And and when and the thing is is that like when people when they come to town Ain't nobody like if the Lakers come to town I'm not so sure you might not have male as many molecular fans or Steph Curry comes to town. Yeah That's that's when you know where everywhere you go is sold out. Yeah. You know, I seen it firsthand. I was with Braun, so I see it firsthand. It's just everywhere being sold out from China to Oklahoma City.

It's just like, wow. That's crazy. The Thunder punched their tickets to the NBA final, send the Wolves home. SGA, no surprise, was Western Conference magic Johnson player of the, uh, the magic Johnson MVP. Uh, what does real, let me ask you this because we know the players. We just talk about OKC players. I mean, cause nobody realized that they originated from Seattle and I'm sure it

don't anybody remember a whole lot of the Seattle players I remember because I'm old enough to remember when they won the championship, when they had Gus Johnson and they had Dennis Johnson and they had Jack Sickman. They had Marvin, Marvin Webster, the human eraser. They had all those guys. What does FGA need to do to be the Thunder Goat player all time? Um, he had won the championship. I think that's the only thing that's missing because Goat player all time. He had to win the championship. I think that's the only thing that's missing

because he got KD, he got Westbrook and them two Hall of Famers in themselves. And they've already won MVP. The only thing they did win. They both won MVP. It's a championship. And we was the reason for them not winning that championship.

So we'll see what SVA can do versus the Knicks or the Pacers. So I think that was him winning that championship. So we'll see what SVA can do versus the Knicks or the Pacers. So I think that would him winning that championship would make him the greatest OKC player. Not OKC Seattle, but OKC player. I agree with you. I think if he get because he was going to have something that they don't have, which is an NBA championship. And you're talking about a guy that's averaged 33 straight years. You're talking about a guy that's been an all NBA player the last two, what, the last two years? I think the last two years he's been an all NBA player.

Now he's an MVP. So he has the MVP like KD and Russ Chet. Obviously, uh, KD would, would have been the Western Conference player of the year. So they didn't have it at the time, but KD would have won that award had they had it. Now they go win the NBA. He's going to get, he's going to be the finals MVP. If they win, he's going to be the reason why they win. Yeah. So now. Yeah.

Yeah. But the thing is it doesn't matter. The thing that I love about SGA, he's like a lot of the, a lot of the postseason reel, he's throwing his efficiency out the window. He's, I don't give a damn about shooting 50%. Cause he'll go 13 for 30, he'll go 12 or 28. I don't give a damn. I am going to be aggressive.

Because I believe one of three things are gonna happen. Either I'm gonna make the shot, I'll miss the shot, or you'll fire me and put me on the free throw line. But I am not going to be passive and let you dictate what I've been doing all year long. And I love that about his game. I mean, obviously he can shoot the three, but his midi is top notch. He's as good a mid-range shooter as we have currently at the NBA.

And we know he can finish at the rim and he's going to draw files like a mug. So I agree with you. I agree with you, Rio. I think if he wins the championship, I think he's gonna be the Thunder Goat. I think so too. I'm with you on that one. What you think, Ojo?

I mean, it only makes sense, huh? It only makes sense. As good as Harden was, as good as Russ was, as good as KD was, nah, KD. KD was there. Yeah, KD was there. But you gotta realize Harden was a six man, so Harden, now it would have been interesting had Harden been this hard, like he was in Houston.

I'm trying to think. What? How the hell was Harden a sixth man back then? Because he didn't have, remember how we talked about sometimes a guy needs his own team? How was he gonna be that Hard hardened with Russ and KD? So basically he's basically what Harden went through is basically what Kamiga going through right now then. Nah, not that bad. Kamiga got those kind of offensive skills now. Come on now.

At least James was playing. He was actually like playing and getting major minutes. Yeah Harden won six battles a year though. Yeah. Hey didn't Harden win six battles a year to year though. Hey, then Harden was the sixth man of the year the year y'all beat him, Rio. I don't get beat a lot, I don't know. Look, I think Harden has been the sixth man. I think he was the sixth man of the year

the year y'all won. Now that's crazy. Hey, Rio, what year was that Hardin-Russ and Katie was together? 2012? That's the year we beat them. But they would get... Katie came in 2007, Russ was 2008, Hardin was 2009. So 9, 10, 11, 12. Damn.

Because remember that next year, Rio, it came down, they could have gave him that, for five or four million dollars, they let him go to Houston. They traded him to Houston. And then he comes out and I thought he was good because I could, you could watch him in the fourth quarter because a lot of times they would turn, they would, you know, pass it off to Harden and Harden would do his thing. But ain't nobody see this. Ain't nobody saw what, when he got to Houston

and what he was able to do, not there. It's a different animal than Houston. I have a question. Now, Harden was the sixth man, he came off the bench, he couldn't do what he wanted to do because he was with Katie and Russ. So why isn't Kaminga, why can't he be the same way if he goes somewhere else and has his own team

and has the free will to shoot? Where he gonna go? Oh Because you got to realize Houston didn't have anybody so where's cominga gonna go where you gonna send him to And if they land oh, they watch it. Yeah, James a point guard, too So he can he also handle the ball dead comming or can't do that. I mean you can't run your team Right, right. Exactly. So he's gonna have the ball. He's gonna be... He's gonna...

Harden was high, high in usage rate. Because he had an L ball in his head the whole game. Every time. Right, right, right. Kaminger needs someone to get him the ball. And then he's not gonna be able to initiate anybody else's offense. He's not gonna initiate your offense. So now, he's at a decided disadvantage. God, they can help.

Why you think Luca? Cause Luca can handle the ball. Yo, he can handle the ball. LeBron, he can handle the ball. Guys that can handle the ball is a lot easier because I got the damn ball. I don't need you to give it to me. I got it. I don't need your help for real. But you get out the way.

I can do everything else. That's one of the reasons why Biggs don't get the credit that they deserve because Oscar and Magic needed to get Kareem the ball. Cousy needed to get the ball to Russell. Derek Fisher and Kobe needed to get the ball to Shaq. So that Biggs, you never see Biggs as bold as gold. No matter what, I mean I mean will got all the record

They nobody go ever touch real record those rebounds the game that will score 78 He had 43 rebounds the hell score 78 points and have 40 Rebounds in the game 55 rebounds in the game who's gonna have 27 rebounds for a season? But my Katie marriage Oh God Katieav is 27 points a game. That's a long rebound. I'm with you on that. It's a minute in history.

I mean, thank you, Ocho. And you get one rebound, so at least you can get like a two point shot or an and one, that's three. Right. He ain't getting a rebound. Get average in 27 for a season. Average 25 for a season. Average 25 for a season.

Average 23 for, demand average 24 rebounds for a career. Plenty of things, that many shots nowadays where you can get 27 rebounds a game. No, they were terrible. That ain't gonna happen. You're right. I don't even know, hold on. Because one game he had 55 rebounds in a game.

That won't happen. I'm just looking at the game tonight. There was 85 rebounds. So between the two teams, the Knicks had 45 rebounds, the Pacers had 40 rebounds. Wilt was at 55 in a game. I'm not rolling with that one. He's not getting all the rebounds nowadays.

He was a great athlete, but he's not getting 53. He's not average at 27. Oh, and today they're not missing that many shots. I mean, he would literally have to get all the defensive rebounds and still get a few on the offensive. So he had to get both, really? Oh yeah, back then, but they was missing a ton of shots. I mean, look at the field goal percentage back then when they were shooting. They were missing a ton of shots to get his own rebound.

That's what he was doing. Yeah. Yeah. But there's nothing really not to love about SGA's game. You see the progress that he's made. I think his first year there, I think he averaged like 19 and then it was like, incrementally, he had 23 and then 20 this and then 30 and then 30 and then 30. And he said it when he signed that long-term deal.

He's like, yeah, I signed that long-term deal. He's like, yeah, I'll sign the long-term deal. And he said, but I don't see us losing much longer. Yeah, he got great patience. I think that's the best thing he part of his game. So he get to that mid range, he get to the spot, he just wait, wait, wait, wait. And then he get to what he wanna do. I think that's the biggest part of his game

that's separating him from a lot of other players. And that smash he got, he got as good as anybody He got as good as that as anybody And he go get that and he'll get the elbow your chance to get some separation Mm-hmm. Yeah, he definitely push off a lot. They'll be called He do forget this with the boys will push-ups

On the latest episode of the Pat Bell podcast, Pat Beverly recall how SGA chose not to embrace him for wearing Ant-Man's jersey while attending game four in the Western Conference Final. Beverly had nothing but praise for the newly crowned league's MVP shortness killer instinct, which is something he said is needed for the postseason. I got shit after the game and I dapped him up

and he said, I ain't gonna lie, I can't dapp you up right now, OG. You got that mofo jersey. The jersey I had on was Anthony Edwards. And I said, oh yeah, he's a killer. That's the mindset that you have to have. Don't ever, don't even come up in here in a jersey type-ish.

I respect it, I like it. That's how you have to be. I knew where it was coming from. It's coming from a good place. It's coming from an organic place and he's locked in. And that's what I took from that. Like, oh yeah, he locked the FN right now. I love it.

I like it. I like it. Nah, bro. I get it. I like that you in that building and you played for him. You played with Ed, but nah, bro. You the enemy. D that's the enemy Jersey right now.

I got the, I got the utmost respect for you nah bro you have to catch me without that Jersey and I ain't in kill mode cuz right now I'm in kill mode I respect it let's see it started a little rivalry between them so yeah I like it and plus you remember. They started a little rivalry between them. So yeah, I like that. And plus you remember, who was Ant-Man talking to? Was he talking to Stephen A? Well, who was he talking to when he said he was better than Sheik? Obama? No. No, I think somebody posed that question to it. Okay. Can we put that up? Look for that quote.

But here, at least he's supposed to say that. Yeah. He's supposed to say that. Yeah. He's supposed to say that. No, no, I got a problem. But I guess what? Who else heard, if I heard him say that, and other people heard him say that, who else heard him say that, Rio?

S.J. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that's where it's from. It's like, all right, yeah. He think he better than me. And we just eliminate him. Maybe Rio Ocho, if he had another jersey on, maybe it's cool. Maybe I let it slide.

But I ain't hugging you in front of all these people, and you got his jersey on. Oh no. Yeah, I mean, it's a different, and I get it. Because a lot of these guys play AAU together on the same team or they play against a, a lot of these guys, Rio, and you know this coming up in that circuit, these guys been playing together,

playing against each other, playing together since they were seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. Right. So the animosity that Bird and Magic or Jordan and Isaiah and these guys had, there wasn't none of that. The first time you saw the guy probably was at the McDonald's All-American game or you played against a mofo in college. But the playing like in 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, that didn't happen back then. I wasn't in many camps for them. You would see them at a five-star camp or something like that.

That's where everybody would see each other, go against each other. And that's battling for rankings. So we ain't trying to be cool. We trying to see who's the better player. Exactly. But now you see guys actually playing with each other, playing on the same team.

Like who? I mean, I'm thinking, oh, John and Zion. They're playing on the same AAU team. They played together? Yeah. John and Zion. They play on the same AAU team. They play together? Yeah. You have a lot of guys like that. A guy that go to Mt. IMG or Mt. Verde or Oak Hill. And so the guys, they grow up playing each other

and you're like, oh, you go to another team. We supposed, bro, bro, you're growing the back of my mom's station wagon. You're in my house. I can't hate you. That's when the family started getting involved. It's a little bit different. Like, yeah, you should talk to my mom some other day.

Like, come on, bro. I ain't stopping. I understand we battle. Bro, I can't hate you. Man, we done stopped by the fast food joint. We eatin' buffets together. It was different back then. Like you said, Rio, you saw somebody at a five-star camp,

battling for rankings, or at the McDonald's All-American game. Or you played against them in college. Because, you know, back then you playing, you going to college two years, three years. Two, three years. You're definitely going to see them a couple times. Especially when you're at the same conference. Now, these guys have been playing, they don't, by the time they get to the NBA, they don't play against each other 20 times. Right. Yeah. And so it's a different mindset now, but I just wish, what I do wish is that they would do this jersey swap off camera. That's the only

thing I wish they'd football, NFL, Ocho, NBA, do the jersey swap off camera. Why? Why? Why? Cause, yeah, remember all of them, stop it. And you want everybody's jersey? Damn, it used to mean something, Ocho. When you went to the Pro Bowl and swapped jerseys, you didn't just swap jerseys with some random guy. It was the best of the best.

Well, I mean, not really. I mean, listen, I'm not sure. I understand how you feel, but obviously, my love and passion for soccer, after games, you swap jerseys with players that you like or you enjoy their game because you want to collect as many as possible. No. But, okay, I mean, if he's, I'm gonna say everybody's a little bit differently

Oh, there's this new wave. Oh, they give it I mean Joe Joe gotta get a special got a different house because he all the jersey He don't got he look got a he look got a whole team of Jersey by the time he's done. He got 50 jerseys He got every quarter He got every quarterback Jersey in least the top 15 the top least the top 15, the top 15 receivers, top 15 running backs, top 15 edge rushers, top 15 corners, and he got a kick of the parter thrown in there for good measure. Like what are you?

He got a whole little team, he got to make sure he's right. Make sure he's right. I'm trying to say, I'm the only person that I switched jerseys with, Ray and I, we exchanged jerseys. But that was it. And at the promo, promo, you don't exchange jersey or you exchange helmet, stuff like that. But now, Ocho, it seems like at least 15 guys per game changing jerseys.

Hey, you know, it's this. First of all, I ain't paying no $500 cause them jerseys $500 now. Who got to pay $500? You do, the players. The players. You're an NBA player? NBA jerseys are where they, you gotta pay $500.

I mean, the money they making today, they don't care about that $500. They don't. They definitely don't care about that. Of course not. Yeah, they don't. No, like nah bro. about that $500. They definitely don't care about that. Of course not. No, I'm like, nah, bro. That's $500. I'll get you off the... I mean, look, I got a couple of pair of tie-in shoes.

I'm like, hey, bro, you know I gotta get those. He said, I'll get you after the game. Chris, I got a, who I get? Chris Carter. I got Jerry, I got a pair of Jerry's gloves. I got a pair of Chris Carter's gloves Mmm, hey, babe. Hey, I get you I get y'all I get you in the tunnel. I'll get you the locker room. Okay Hey, hold on. You got some of prime shoes. He wore like an NFL. Mm-hmm. Well, who he was with

Cowboys and Washington Hey, you want to see me? No, I Brought a shoe with the trade what you wanna do? Yeah, I got some bronze sign championship shoes what you wanna do Oh, oh you won't I got the ball what you want. Do you want the cowboy? Oh you want Washington? He just told me though. You ain't got nothing to trade.

Yeah, you ain't got nothing to trade. You ain't got his favorite NBA player. That's what you ain't got. Hey, hey, I got 50, 200 for them, for the please. No. No. How you gonna give me my own, you gonna give me my own money?

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Anthony, I was planning to work his butt off this summer in the wake of the second straight Western Conference Finals defeat. Nobody's going to work harder than me this summer. I'll tell you that much, he told reporters. I don't know why people think it would hurt. It's exciting for me. I'm 23. I get to do it a whole bunch of times. I'm hurt more so far for Mike. I came up short for Mike.

We tried last year, couldn't get it. We tried again this year. We'll try again next year, but the hurt is a terrible word to use. I'm good. Rio, what's your take on this? I agree with that. He's still young. Being only 23, he's 10 more years to try to win a championship. And, you know, like he said, he's dedicated to getting better. He knows what it

takes for him to get better, what he needs to go work on. So it's going to be interesting to see how much work he actually puts in and see what he works on. much work he actually puts in and see what he works on. Oh joke. I mean the sky's the limit for him. I think two of the only players that are going to continue to improve and ascend year in and year out, you're going to see their game elevate, to me is Ant and the FGA. I think they're going to continue to go at it each year over and over. I think Ant-Man is going to always be in this position and he's going to get over the hump.

He's going to get over that obstacle soon soon as in later But he makes he make it seem like Luca 30 he make it seem like SGA 35 Does he realize what's in the Western Conference? I? Mean had that has that even dawned on it. You don't care. Yeah, you already beat Luca Don't it you don't care. Yeah, you already beat Luca. I mean He beat no Lucas in him home last year remember If I'm looking at Luca if what they showed that AI generated Luca look like he had pretty good shape now I'm not really concerned right now. I need Luca in this kind of shape in October Not not in May cuz they know basketball going on in May

If Luca shows up this year looking like what we saw the other night at that all what was that Real Madrid game? I'm like, okay. I'm okay But and plus you got to think about it guys. I mean the league is getting tougher I mean those days where you say somebody might run off a three beat. I don't believe we're gonna see no three beats any time soon, Rio. I'm with you on that one. I don't think that's gonna happen

for another league five, 10 years. League is dead, they, cause it's spread out. It's hard to keep these teams together because teams gonna break them up because they don't wanna go in that. People like, man, they win it. Bro, I don't care how much I'm winning. I'm not trying to get a 400 million and pay salary.

I got two, three guys tied up, but I got 600 million tied up in two or three guys. And then you want me to play $400 million on top of that. If I'm a repeater in that second, oh, hell no. Yeah, it's the cost to keep them teams together now. And they, and they want to make it so cost prohibited that you don't even think about putting one together. Watch, watch Boston.

Go to see what they're going to do. They can't keep it together because JT not going to play next year. So basically you want, you want to be in that second tier April and and with no chance of winning cuz he not playing he's not playing he's not playing to the the start of the 26th season yeah all right so I definitely see what I of changes they make. It's gonna be interesting to see. Definitely interesting to see. Okay, who was the two seed?

The one seed was, what's it called? The two seed was who? The Rockets? The Rockets go, you know, I can see the Rockets making a play for KD. I can see them making a play for Yarnis. Who do you rather go get, yo, Yannis or KD? With that team.

Damn. I already told you where Yannis going. I don't know why we continue to bring this conversation up. Where Yannis going? Don't say Miami. You going to Miami. That's what Ocho said, he going to Miami. Hey Rio, I done said that.

You know what, hold on, Ocho, before you go Rio, can you explain to Ocho how everybody can't play for Pat? Everybody can't play in Miami? Nah, everybody can't play for Pat. But I can see Yannis coming to Miami, but I don't think he will. I think he stays in Milwaukee. Oh you don't think he moves? Nah, I think he stays. You're not gonna be able to get anybody to help. Get no help for him. They better get somebody. Who? I don't know who. They're gonna figure out something.

They ain't got no draft picks. Hold on. And they ain't hurt. He's gonna go play till 26. Who they gonna get? I they gonna, who they gonna? I don't know who they gonna be. Maybe, uh... There's nobody that's gonna make a difference.

There's still gonna be a first round exit. Oh yeah, that ain't gonna happen. He ain't gonna win. We ain't know where he goes. That ain't gonna happen. If he go to Miami, he might go in there. What if he go to, what about Golden State? Are you keeping Jimmy or you get rid of Jimmy?

I think you gonna going to have to get, you ain't no way you can keep him, Steph, and Jimmy, and Draymond. Because Draymond's doing an extension because Draymond was all defense, first team all defense. So he's doing four mats. And if you do that- But a mat is only 25, 30 million for him. It's not over the top. But if you do that, you get it to Jimmy, that takes away all your

all your offers. All what Golden State is known for from the Slash Brothers to the Shoe. There's no more shooting there. So now what are we scared of Golden State for? We just put everybody on steps. Hey, y'all gotta shoot two's while we still shooting 100. Okay, put everybody on steps and Yon is putting his head down and gonna get 30, 13, and six a night. Okay, we gonna come down to 63 is who gonna win? I like step. I mean look, I'm trying to could he go to Houston? I like Houston. I like it with Houston I like Houston, too. I definitely like Houston. I think that'd be his best bet would be a Houston or for. I could say Miami. I'm not going to disagree. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Them Bam and Tyler Hero. That'd be a hell of a team. Let me ask you a question. Are you selling him Brickle? I mean, what do you trade? Brickle? You trade South Beach? What the hell you train for him? Cause I don't want those pieces that's not Bam and that's not Tyler Hero. You need to tell me what the hell you train for him. He don't want a disgruntled superstar that can leave a free agent's in need of it. Alright, how many more years y'all got? Two? Hey, would you say they train what?

Brickle. South Beach. Something. E-R What? The Brickle. South Beach, something. E-Raw. The Fountain, Blue. South Beach. Something gotta go, huh? Something part of Miami gotta go. Because when you look at it real,

the only two assets that somebody really want is Balmond Tyler. Yeah? That was funny. Okay, that was funny. But you don't want a disgruntled superstar either. I see Yanis being mad there. First of all, I got this man right for the next two years.

He has a player option 27, 28. So I got it for two years. I'm not giving him away. You know, it's sometimes real. I'll be, I want to sell something, but I'm not, look, I know the value of this car. Man, I ain't, man, you ain't even driving it. Don't worry about it.

I'm driving right back in the garage. I backed it out so your punk ass can see it. Now, if you're not gonna give me what I want for, I'll be driving right back in the garage and you get your ass out my yard. And then he's gonna waste his time. Then he gonna be back. And then he don't have no help. You already got rid of his brother. Dane hurt. Chris Middleton gone. No, he was hurt. So we weren't gonna pay him. Now he healthy. We bring him back. All right. Good luck with that. We'll see how long that lasts. We gonna bring it back.

We gonna bring it back. So, yeah, it's just for me, I'm looking at the places where he can go Rio that have the assets. Brooklyn has the assets as far as draft picks. They don't have any young talent that I think Milwaukee would want. Okay, see, got the draft picks and they got the talent, but I don't think Sam Preston is gonna wanna mess his, mess his corp up with either one of them.

Houston's have the talent and the draft picks. The question is, and that's for Yonis or Katie, because you got Shungun, who's an all NBA selection. He's an all star. I'm not letting Armin Thompson go. Jabari Smith Jr., okay. Draft picks, okay. Yeah.

Who else they got? Brother, if you got your new Brooks, they got something they got Smith. They got Thompson. Oh, I'm not going to let go. What you do with Jalen Green? Oh, yeah, Jalen Green. Jalen Green. That's what I agree. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Katie or Yonis. Yes, I would. I would package Jalen Green. Okay. I can see that happening. And you still build around what you got. You still got Yannis and you still got KD.

Yeah. I gotta keep Van Fleet for the civil fight. I need a point guard. Now you go live. I'm KD. I'm going like, okay, see. I don't think Sam, first of all, I don't know the relationship don't think Sam, first of all, I don't know, I don't know the relationship with Sam and KD.

What you hear is that Sam was more favorable towards Russ than KD. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but you know, you hear, he left. I, and I'm not, I'm not messing up my core. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not real. I think Russ ends up back there just because of some free agency stuff. So I definitely see Russ being back at old KC for next year. Especially he just signed that in.

I'm talking about KD. You talking about KD go back. No, I know I'm talking about KD, but I'm saying I definitely see Russ going back when he brought up Russ and Sam Presley. I definitely see him going back. But if I'm KD, I will look at the old KC the okay see situation if I'm pressing I don't think I would take it Or if I'm Katie, I'm like, yeah, I was going there be spot up

They don't have it though They don't have you know, but he is death Who are you gonna get rid of Jimmy? Yeah, I would get them really rid of for KD. I'm running it back with Jimmy just cuz Jimmy brings a lot all around to the game and it makes it easier for Steph in that aspect. You have to create more shots for KD. But he don't need someone who's gonna be the person to create a shot for him. Or you gonna have KD going one on one at 35, 36 years old.

He good. Blood Cuff, y'all gonna be, cause they still worried about Steph. Yeah. And Dre Ma, Dre Ma gonna be fine. They be good. I keep Kaminga now, but I don't know if you can keep Kaminga because somebody gonna want Kaminga.

Kaminga gone. Kaminga not messing with Kurt no more. He ain't so far gone. He, Kaminga might be down here on South Beach to ball. Whatever. He already out of the door. He done packed up his apartment and everything. He ain't gone.

He packed up his locker room and everything. He outta there. He ain't clean about going to the States. It was kinda like what we used to do real. Once we realized we weren't making the playoffs. Shit. Man, last week or so, I was living in a hotel. Start packing up a little by little.

It don't sense to be paying the extra month of rent. Nah, we good. I live the week in the hotel. You been putting a lot of money into it, six months? Six to eight month deal, no problem. So, if you had the handicap, where do you think Katie ends up? Where do you think Yannis ends up? Katie, I think he goes to Houston. Yannis, I think Yannis stays on the East Coast.

I think Yannis stays somewhere in Miami. There we go. Maybe in New York. Maybe the Knicks. Brooklyn would be tough just because they do have to rebuild everything around them. They don't really have the team to win now. They got the draft picks. They just don't have, they just, he might as well mean, he worked hard, he might as well stay in Milwaukee if he's thinking about Brooklyn.

Yeah, exactly. But I can see him going to the Knicks. He end up over there. Wow. What, hold on. What you gonna, so you gonna let, what you gonna let go? You gonna let Kat go?

You gonna let OG go? I mean, what you letting go? To be honest, I'm letting OG go, Mikel Bridges, Mitchell Ryberson, who else? Anybody except- You ain't got no draft picks, cause you gave up four draft picks to get Mikel Bridges. So you ain't got no draft capital.

Or you got players. That's okay, well you're in it on four players, it'll be all right. Three of them four players, we'll get Giannis, it'll be all right. You just gutted your depth. That's okay, we trying to win now. Rihanna's Brunson and Cat, that's a hell of a big three.

That's a big lineup behind Brunson. Now you all you gotta do is find some shooters, some knockdown shooters. You go get a person like Cam Johnson maybe. Find someone, find someone by the way, Will. Find somebody that's a Duncan Robinson maybe. Somebody that's out there that can just help spread the floor. That's all you need. We got those three guys because your office will go through them. Well, considering that a cat would like to be at the three point line and don't have to worry about it. So, yeah, he'd be fine with that.

Yonis is going to need that space. Yonis is going to need that space to get down here. Or put Yonis in the post and then let him work through the post edge. Are you afraid because you know what, the Bronson has a very high usage. Yannis has a usage. Are you concerned that Yannis needs the ball, Bronson needs the ball, both are most effective

when they have the ball in their hands? You know, I feel like they can work that out. They can figure that out because it's just them two. There's nobody that was really handing the ball. Cat don't need to handle the ball. He just need to catch it in his sweet spot. So now when Brunson take his break, you got Giannis handling the ball.

When Giannis is taking his break, you got Brunson handing the ball. Now when it comes to the fourth quarter, first time, I got both of them. Giannis getting the rebound, pushing it. Brunson goes spot up. Brunson get the rebound. Giannis taking down. He's in the paint. it, Russ and girl spot up, Russ will get the rebound, Yana's taking it down,

he's in the paint. Now you got three or four people helping, Russ is pulling up for three. So it's ways to figure it out. It's just like when Bron and D-Way play together. It's ways to figure out when you got two ball handlers and then just the two ball handlers. Rio making sounds so simple, doesn't he, Ojo?

I mean, listen, it ain't simple. I tried, listen, I tried to explain it deep up. It ain't simple, Ojo.? Oh, Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, Ocho. Listen, it ain't simple. I tried, listen, I tried to explain it to you. It ain't simple, Ocho. It's not simple because you got two, you got two. It's all about buying in. It's all about buying in. Thank you. You want to buy in, you want to win, that's how it is.

He just explained it to you. He just, he gave you a few examples of people that have done it in the past, you know? But you, but you, but you didn't hear what he said. He says it's all about buying in and it's a lot easier said is, yeah, I could do it. I could do it. But I give you a prime example. Look at the players we're talking about.

We talk about Jalen Brunson. We got to talk about Giannis, two players that are going to buy in. Okay. To make everybody. I remember everybody said, it don't matter what I do at Olympic team. Long as we bring the gold medal. Now we've had two guys that come out and say they was upset about what it playing time, right?

The buying in. Now you just said Bionin. It's completely different. This is a complete information. Because there's only two players. It was only two players. Look who they had. Look who they had. Look at the fight that was starting. One of them had a reason.

Jason had a reason just because of the scene that he had just came off of. So I understand his complaint. But at the same time, he wasn't better than nobody playing in front of him. Hey he said I was better than Holliday and Derek White that was playing in front of me. But you don't bring what they brought to the game. We don't need you to score. We don't need you to score. We need you to play defense. I would have played defense. I would have. You would have. We don't need you to do that. See you tell me what I won't do. I'm telling you, I'm trying to buy in. I'm gonna buy in.

I'm buying in. Name of folks that told you what you wouldn't do. All of them. All of them. Hey, it is, but it's a lot easier said than done. We just seen a lot of guys on your... Oh, man, I just want to win. No, you want to win and get your 30.

You want to win and get your 8 for 150 and two touchdowns. That's the way just want to win. No, you want to win and get your 30. You want to win and get your 8 for 152 touchdowns. That's the way you want to win. Yeah, you want to win your way. Giannis has now more first team all NBA selections than Kevin Durant. Giannis has 7, KD has 6. What more does Giannis need to do to pass KD all time? Damn. I don't think it's possible. Really? I don't think it's possible. Really?

I don't think it's possible. Just because I look at KD's skillset, it's like, there's nobody gonna be a skillset as KD where the ball handling, better shoot the ball, better get to the spots he's gonna get to. I don't think there's gonna be another Greek freak either, but Yannis in the offensive game is not polished enough like KD's for him to be better than KD's.

So you just look at aesthetically? I'm just looking at that. When I look at somebody, I say who's better than somebody, I look at, I put them in a one-on-one matchup and see who would dominate that one-on-one matchup to a game to five. And I think KD would get Yannis five-four, five-three, maybe.

I just got him figured, just obviously better. Wow. What happens if Yannis gets the ball first? Same thing. I think Katie still figured out how to win. I think Katie gets to stop before- Huh, one-on-one with Yannis? Because Yannis is all downhill,

now we're playing three or four dribbles. Exactly, so how can you stop that? If we're playing three or four dribbles downhill- Okay, okay, you stop that? If we're playing three or four dribbles downhill. Okay, okay, okay. You gotta care about the rules. You gotta care about the rules now. Yeah, when NBA players play, we play one-on-one three or four dribbles max. Okay, so.

In that type of setting, I'm not taking Giannis over KD. I'm not taking too many people over KD. In that type of setting. Okay. Giannis has five first team, all defensive. over Katie in that type of setting. Okay. Yonis has five first team, all defensive, four first team. Katie has none. Katie does have two finals MVP. Yonis has one.

It's, huh? No, no, Yonis has two regular season MVPs. Katie has one. That's gonna be very interesting.'s going to be very interesting. That's going to be very interesting. I mean, he's going to have a hell of a career. Like, that's the thing, but it's still, you're not better than Katie.

I think, you know what? I think a lot of that has to do with aesthetically, because we like guys that can handle the ball. Uh, p, splash it. I mean, there's nothing like really, Yonah's game is really like old school. Like, you know, just trying to get downhill post. I mean, he ain't still, I mean, you know,

he 3-pointed doesn't shoot that well. He ain't really got no mid-range. His post is not great. He's basically getting downhill, laying the ball up, you foul him, or he spin and dunk the ball. That's the honest. It's still hard to stop because he's averaging 30, 60% from the damn floor. So it's still hard to stop.

It's still a freak. It's just not as pleasing to the eye as what we watch KD do. You compare two different players and two different skill sets all together. And at that point, regardless of accolades and what they've accomplished on their resume, it depends on, it's all on preference at that point. Yeah. I see that.

I see that. But who's impact, who's impacted the game more? Ooh, shit. That's, damn, they're the same almost, huh? Yeah, I think, that's a tough one right there. Because let me ask you this. If I take, if I take KD out and put Giannis in there with Clay, Steph, and Draymond,

do you still believe they win the NBA championship? and put Giannis in there with Clay, Steph, and Draymond, do you still believe they win the NBA championship? Yeah, yeah, I still give to them. I don't think about the score at Aspen, but yeah, I still give to them because then that way you take, and your dog doesn't have to guard Brown by himself. Now you got two or three bodies that can guard Brown

and that's gonna be a little bit different. So yeah, I still give it to him to go to the state. Now, if I take KD and I put him on Milwaukee, the year they won, the year they won, they beat Phoenix, you think they still win the championship with KD and Giannis out? I mean, they barely got past Brooklyn. So I don't want to get there.

I think so. I definitely think so, KD. If he step on that line, Milwaukee don't win that championship. That's, that's going to be, when it's all said done, that's going to be a very interesting conversation. That's going to be a very, very interesting conversation to have because they are so diametrically different. Nothing about one's game reminds you of the other.

One is, as you said, Rio is one of the most skilled players, one of the five most skilled players that we've probably ever seen with the size being seven foot tall, being able to handle the ball. He could do the three. He can got, he got the middie. He got the Hesley. Uh, he can fit, get to the rim. He can fit free throws.

He's an 88, 89% free throw. So he's, he's as good as skilled because guys that side, they normally play center. They play with it back to the basket. We ain't see no guys shoot and dirt can shoot the ball. Dirk was not putting it on the ball, going between his leg, going behind his back, doing what Katie's doing. He just wasn't doing it. Not even close.

I mean, Dirk had that Dirk patty that that one leg step back. It's shooting. It's going to draw rain. But at skill, I don't know if you're ever going to see a guy at his size as skilled as KD, because of just for his ability to shoot the ball. Right. I agree with you on that one. The Made For This Mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional

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