Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lamar for MVP, Chiefs #1 seed, Pete Carroll comeback?

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens putting the beatdown on C.J. Stroud and the Houston Texans 31-2 on Christmas Day. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs clinching the AFC's top playoff seed after beating Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers 29-10, Pete Carroll expressing interest in the Chicago Bears' head coaching job and would like to return to the sideline next season and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:42 - Ravens v Texans41:00 - Chiefs v Steelers52:18 - OL gifts from Russell Wilson55:44 - Pete Carroll eyeing head coach job in Chicago(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The link is at the chat and it's also pinned on our social pages as well as our social bios. Oh Joe Yeah, as I mentioned at the top behind a dominant run game Lamar Jack and Derek Henry throttle the Houston, Texas by a score of 31 to 2 They took over first place because the Steelers lost earlier today. They took over the first place in the AFC North. Lamar Jackson only had to throw the ball 10 times. He completed 10 of those for 168 yards, two touchdowns while rushing for 87 yards

on four carries, including a 48 yard touchdown run. Derrick Henry, 148 rush yards, 27 carries and a touchdown. He had 86 yards in the first carry. And so he also set a single season total touchdown record as far as running backs and receivers. Everybody he had 16 total touchdowns and he broke the record that he shared with Ray Rice. But the Ravens look really, really good today.

They look dominant on both sides of the football. And that's what you want to see heading into the playoffs. At the season wise down, you want to start playing some of your best football in the Baltimore Ravens are doing that. Well, this is this is what I have a question for you now. Now, based on what we saw from the Mar Jackson today, Derek Henry showed us the low, Derek Henry showed the whole package based on why they won the game.

So as far as the MVP race is concerned, when we talk, when we talked last, last time you said to you Lamar Jackson is the MVP somewhat running away with it, especially after today's win. Is your thoughts, your thoughts on your MVP going to change once we see the bill Josh Allen play tomorrow and he puts up another unbelievable Superman performance. Or are we sticking with Lamar the rest of the next two games? I think it's close Ocho. And the thing is, is that the question is if they win tomorrow, they could, they clinched the second seed.

So does Josh Allen play the final game with the season Lamar is going to play because right now they're, they're, they're, they're, uh, and number one, uh, they're in first place in the AFC North. Now, if Pittsburgh wins next week and Baltimore lose Pittsburgh, re-jumps them. And so now they're on the road for the first game instead of being at home. Okay. Let me, let me give you a small tidbit real quick. So, uh, this weekend, uh, matter of fact, Saturday the Bengals played it, played a Broncos.

Correct. Correct. Yes. OK. So after the Bengals beat the Broncos, the following week, the Bengals are playing the Steelers. Yes. And the Bengals have to win the next two games in order to get out of the hunt and be in the playoffs and have somewhat of a wild card. Correct. But they also got to hope the Broncos lose against Kansas City, in which Patrick Mahal, Travis Kelsey and a lot of their starters aren't going to play because they sold up the number one seed. You're not going to risk it.

So now you got Kansas City. That's not going to play any of their starters next week. Chris Jones is out. He missed today. So now you're looking at Kansas City. Mahomes is not playing. He's going to be in street clothes. Travis Kelsey will be in street clothes. A lot of their starters will be in street clothes. Now you got to place. You only got like eight offensive linemen. A lot of y'all offensive linemen got to play. Oh Joe, you don't have,

they don't have no choice. They got no choice. But some of your skill position, you might call them some of your practice squad guys, give them an opportunity to get a full, a real game check in a situation like that. But you're absolutely right. Bingles have to win their last two, hope the Broncos lose their last two, but they also gotta hope Indy and Miami lose one.

But if Indy and Miami win out, it doesn't matter what the Bengals do. It doesn't matter what the Broncos do. So they're behind the Bengals, they're behind the Dolphins, they're behind the Colts, and they're behind the Broncos. So they behind the Dolphins. They're behind the Colts and they're behind the Broncos So they need the Broncos to lose their last two and they lose need Andy and Miami to lose at least one While they went out

Is can ash hear me? Yes hear me ash? Ash who does any in the indie last two games and who are the Dolphins last two games? Please tell me somebody that's difficult Or teams that are that they have winning records. I think I Think they got Buffalo. I know probably Good. No, no good Miami got no, but see here's the thing remember as a matter of fact, they got that they got the jazz tomorrow The Buffalo got the Jets and the Patriots got the Jets tomorrow. The Buffalo got the Jets and the Patriots.

Miami has the Browns and the Jets. Oh, that's not fair. Hell no, man. And in the end, he got Tennessee. Indy has the Giants and the Jags. Where they play. They add the Giants home versus the Jags, where they play? They're at the Giants home versus the Jags. So you need a lot of things to really, really go right for you guys in order to really make the playoff. And that's, and Ocho, this is what we always say. I hated that, cause I've been in that situation with the Bengals are in,

because we didn't take care of our business early in the season. Now I got to hope and pray, man, I'm praying somebody else lose. I'm praying this happen. No, all you had to do was take care of what you're supposed to and then you get to sit back and hope somebody else has to do that dirty work.

I don't have to worry about that. But I think Kansas City likes where they are. They're like, look, we did what we needed to do. We went on the road and they dominated the Steelers on both sides of The football we're good. We got a back Nothing nobody else do now we get an opportunity to rest up And if you look at the old show the last couple games, they look really good Patrick. This was the best game three clean game

He threw the ball really well, they did a great job of throwing the football because look against the Steelers Steelers is like you got to be you got to be Convicted to run the football you don't run the football on the Steelers on accident You have to be committed the word. I want to be committed You got to be committed no matter who you're if you want to run the football. Oh Joe. It's a commitment You look at the Ravens, that's why the Ravens for the most part, they one or two in the league in Russian.

Why? Because they make a commitment to run the football. When you play the Steelers, you got the double that. You have to make a double commitment. Look guys, we know some of these plays are going to be negative. We know some of these plays are going to go for no yardage, but we got to stick with it.

And that's what the Ravens do for the most part. But if you look at when they, when they struggle, they get away from the run game. Lamar Jackson threw the ball 15 times tonight. He completed 10. They ran the ball almost tripled at 43 rush attempts. You saw now Derrick Henry, he loves running the football against the Houston Texans. He loves it. it He's had in the end one season He had a game where he rushed for 211 and then followed it up on the road with a 250 Yeah, I think he has seven get up. He has like what like seven games where he's at over 1500 yards Rushing against the Houston, Texas. So yeah No, I don't think we should be surprised that he had the type of game against the Houston, Texas

But when the Baltimore Ravens show a commitment to run the football Yeah, they're very difficult to be and we see how dynamic they is and see what happened was They they got off to this great running start and you saw what the Texans try to do. They started pinching They started knifing and a Todd Munger says, okay, we'll Anderson do you want a knife? Hey, we're gonna fake it. Lamar, you keep it and we're gonna pull around. And now he hit his head on the goal post for 48 yards away. I'm gonna make you play us honest now.

Now, if you want to do, you want to go against what you're supposed to do and knife down in there to trap Derrick Henry in the backfield. Okay. Hey, Lamar, we're gonna run the same formation. We're gonna give him the same design because the last time they brought Zane Flowers, he disregarded Zane. I ain't worried about you Zane, you ain't going to do nothing. So this time they brought a tight end. He disregarded it. Now you got an extra blocker up on somebody. You get a kick out, you get a pin down,

and now it's your safety. Tackle them if you can. At that point, Uncle's all about numbers game. It's a number game at that point. Yeah, listen, with the Ravens playing the way they're playing with us, common sense, you've been preaching to all seeds along. Anytime they run the ball a certain number of times using Derrick Henry and not allowing Lamar Jackson to be back there and be pass happy and allowing the pass plays to actually come to them and not force an issue.

Let Derek Henry take care of everything. Obviously, the way they play the game is the old school style. It's the old school style and the fact that it works in today's era of a pass happy league where everybody throws the ball 100 times a game works for the Ravens and why they win games is doing what you've always seen saying what you've always said Week in a week out. I think listen. I'm a bingo at heart I think they have a very good chance and this be in the year that Lamar Jackson wins a swivel

It would have to come on the onus and the shoulders of Derek Henry and them sticking like you said and committing to running the Ball no matter who they playing against and that's what you have to do. Oh, Joe. I think the thing is, is that, and people like, well, what do you mean by knifing is when they take the defensive end and they try to cross the guy's face. Because you see the two negative runs he had, what happened? The guy knifed and they made him bounce it. So that's what I wanted to do.

I don't want his shoulder pads square to the line of scrimmage. I want him going parallel to the line of scrimmage because now he can't get a head of steam and he can't hurt me. If you look at when he got his yardage, he's going downhill. I don't want him going downhill. I want him going laterally. That way I can push him to the boundary.

If I let him get downhill, hell, he gonna fall. He gonna fall for two yards. Now you let him get a couple of steps. Now he's gonna get four, he's gonna get six yards. But Todd Monkey did get now you let him get get a couple of steps. Now he's gonna get four he's gonna get six yards. But Todd Monkey did a great thing to counter that. He saw what they started to do to try to force the bounce. He said you know what we're gonna do we're gonna read the same thing but what we're gonna do is that we're gonna bring a tight end. And so now we get a kick out we get a

pin down now safety and the safety is coming from depth. So he really doesn't know what to do and before he it, Lamar was up on him and he took a horrible angle. So now Lamar is looking at it like, bro, what you run still running for? Yeah. You guys will go ahead and turn around. Yeah, the funny thing about it is

we already know Lamar Jackson is fast, but you never understand it as a defender until you sit there and you take a bad angle and you try to tackle him. It's over. And you fucking whiff. Yeah. And you whiff and before you know it He's 30 40 some yards down the goddamn field and the thing is ocho and when you don't make him check his feet

When you just let him get a head of steam and he gets to go downhill Because he's by the time he breaks the line of scrimmage. He's like three or four yards. He's full speed He pulls me in three or four steps. Lamar Jackson is full speed because you haven't made him check his feet. Right, you got to. If you can't make him come to balance and if you can't make him make some type of move to make you miss, well, yeah, it's in trouble.

Hell, if you can't make Derrick Henry shuffle his feet. You can't make him check his feet. Man, who wanna make that tackle? Who? Are you talking about making a business decision I'm diving straight at his pinky toe straight out of pinky toe hit who yeah okay we went to look it up Edwin James had the most rushing yards for quarterback in his MVP season he had 1,548 yards Peyton Manning was the MVP in 2000 and 2004.

Peyton, that was the year that Peyton broke Dan Marino's record. He threw 49. Marino had the record of 48 touchdowns in the season. Manning threw 49 that season. That's also the season he had three receivers catch for 1,000 yards. He had Marvin Harrison go over 1,000. He had Reggie Wayne go over 1,000. And he had Brandon Stokely go over a thousand. He has a Reggie Wayne go over thousand thousand and he had random stokely go over a thousand

Derek Henry is almost at 1800 and so Look for me. I still think for me lamar and I get what I get what the board is going to say The board is going to say with shanna Bro, he got a 1918 1900 yard rusher in his backfield But he didn't have the way last time I like huh? He didn't have a he didn't have a 1900 yard rusher when he won MVP last time so they can't use that excuse Don't move the goalpost, but I'm saying they would see last time Ocho. He threw 25 touchdowns. He's at 39 With another game to play so there's a great chance Lamar Jackson is gonna have 40, 41, maybe even 42 touchdowns

with less than five interceptions. Remember he threw five interceptions, he was 25 and five. Now he's like, he's got 43 touchdowns with four interceptions and maybe I think he got two or three foamers. So let's just say he's 43 total touchdowns with seven or fewer turnovers. Go ahead.

Matter of fact, I'm glad you just said that about the turnover ratio. I know. And we talk about Aaron Rogers a lot, right? Yes. We talk about Roger. You wonder why he gets the opportunities he gets, why he's has the, uh, the arrogance or the way he carries himself on them. They put up a graphic.

I saw it on Twitter on his numbers and his run when he was in Green Bay. Oh, yeah You see that? Oh My god, I know I know it was like that. Yes. I know it was like that 25 and 3 36 is 36 and 5. Yeah 45 Yeah, what what touchdown in a touchdown interception ratio? Yes, what stupid? Yes, like I'm so video some video games shit So it gave me a better understanding gave me better context on why he is where he is, but you just not that same player He's like that Not that no more. No, but God. Hey listen, I knew he was good

Mm-hmm. I understood his resume. I didn't understand it until I seen him got their numbers up there on goddamn, Twitter So now today after today's game Derek Henry has 1,738 rushing yards Lamar Jackson is a tick below 4,000. I think he has like 3955 39 65 something like that passing yards, but he has 39 passing touchdowns with four interceptions and he has 850 something yards rushing with another four touchdowns. So it's hard. It's really, really hard.

I think this year Ocho had my homes had better numbers. It wouldn't even be a debate because 15 and one, if Lamar Jackson had like 30 touchdowns would say like eight interceptions Lamar Jackson I mean, excuse me. My homes would be the MVP Because think about it. They're the only team Other than the Giants, they're like three four teams that haven't scored at least 30 points in one game The best of the other teams they won three games. Yeah Yeah. The Chiefs have yet to score 30 in a game. They're 15 and one.

And it's all because now those other teams, the Raiders is one, they're looking for a quarterback. The Patriots is one, they got a rookie quarterback. Yeah. And I forget who the other team is. So that just goes to show you just how special you got to be. Nobody else in that offense, on that team, no other quarterback in the league. So that just goes to show you just how special you got to be nobody else

In that offense on that team No other quarterback in the league not Josh Allen not Lamar Jackson and that's the note Not Joe Burrell would be 15 and one with that offensive line like that. Yeah Oh, it was bad. It just today he put on an exhibition He lets you know he like guys y'all really know I'm still him. I might not be having the best season, but don't y'all forget who I am. Yeah. Listen, it all comes down to his decision. Make it out.

Yeah. Even when, even when, when most quarterbacks would be in the situation, he's had with the opposite line, the inconsistency of the opposite line, him getting battered, getting hit, you know, at some point you get happy feet, you, you start doing things with the ball, your decision making, it becomes errant because of the hit you continue to take, but they've always stuck the course and then the creativity and the combination of having a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes and the creativity of, of Andy Reid as well. Yes.

I think the combination works so well together. Similar to that, Brady and God damn Belichick. Yeah. In a different sense though. In a different sense because Belichick was a defensive mind. Right. But just having Mahomes and Andy Reid together

is almost unfair to have all the different woes and the injuries that they've sustained and still be 15 in one. Yeah. The thing is about Andy, for the most part of my home, the most part, he's only had Andy in his ear. Now there have been times that he allows somebody else to call maybe EB to call plays or maybe Nagy to call plays,

but Brady had Charlie Weiss in his ear. He had Bill O'Brien in his ear. He had Josh McDaniel in his ear. Yeah, I was there with Bill, yeah. So he's had three guys in his ear. Now the Josh McDaniel in his ear. Yeah, I was there with Bill, yeah. So he's had three guys in his ear. Now the only thing that's remained the same was the head coach and the quarterback. We've had different coordinators,

but, and the coordinators call plays. I think for the most part, what people got upset about is that they used not calling plays against EB, but it didn't hold that against Nagy. Now, Nagy did get a team, did get the bears to the playoffs. And we've seen EB go somewhere where he called a place, kind of feel a hard time than everybody was like, see, I told you, see. And I said it at the time.

I said, EB stay right there. Yeah. Stay right where you are. But you know, you, you know why he didn't that? Cause you know, for us, you know, it's hard for us to climb that ladder. So when those opportunities present itself, sometimes you got to walk out that door. What you think the likelihood now Eric Bannerman ever getting a head coaching job in NFL and you know it, and that's the problem that that's the problem.

This is, I'm not going to go there. You know where I want to go, but I'm not going to go there because sometimes you could, you could step off the front porch, you know, and you can be abysmal. But that circle of coaches, you will get another opportunity again. Because they looking at it, they like, bro. I'm not talking about him. Okay, okay, I thought you said yes.

Yeah, stay with me now. I'm trying not to go there. But you know what I'm trying to say, but I'm not fit to say it. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. But you know what I is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling.

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coach and you get fired after one year because you last oh Joe that's not a good sign yeah it really it really isn't and so sometimes hey I just wait him out just wait him out right look I look for me Lamar is the MVP I mean, I just can't know I just can't overlook his numbers I just can't oh Joe and I know some people like what it'd be interesting to see what's the most losses for an MVP? That and I get it Oh children five losses and Alan has what three losses My home my home doesn't have the stats to back up. He's 15 and one. Jerry golf has good numbers. He doesn't have great numbers,

but they've only lost two games. Saquon is playing really well, but unless he had 2000 yards right now. Right. Yeah, he's not getting that. Running back not getting that. Oh Lord, that was in 1997? God.

But he was in six. Right. god but he was insane. Who that? Who that? Uh uh Barry Barry in 97 they were nine and seven but that was the year he had 2053 and then Adrian Peterson the year he broke the record uh he was five yards short of the six seven eight yards short of the record nine yards short because he had 1990s 19. He had 2097 so he needed nine yards to get 2106, but he won the MVP but They now in that situation is different. Oh Joe. Let me tell you why You look at the quarterbacks that Barry had and you look at the quarterback AP had they like it should have been unanimous Oh, yeah, he had Ponder as his quarterback.

I don't know if y'all remember Christian Ponder, but he was real good and terrible. And Barry quarterback, what much better? Right. Wait, who was Barry quarterback? Scott Mitchell? Was it Scott Mitchell? Okay.

Oh, but so there is history here. The most losses for quarterback winning MVP, Brett Favre won the MVP with five losses. Matt Ryan won the MVP with five losses. Rich Gannon won the MVP with five losses. So Lamar Jackson wins the MVP. It's not like, oh, he got five losses. No, we've seen three other guys at the quarterback position win MVP with five losses. So what I'm trying to do, Ocho, I'm trying to cover all the bases because you know this is gonna come up. If he doesn't get it, they're gonna give you a reason why.

So I'm just trying to prepare the people. If he doesn't get the MVP, I'm telling you why some of the reasons gonna start to come out. But your refute is, but they've given the MVP to other quarterbacks that didn't have this type of season the MVP

Right with five losses running backs are different because look like I said Adrian Peterson how he got that team in the playoffs with that quarterback how Barry did with it But Barry was a co MVP with bread because Brett won three consecutive 95 96 97 There was a co-MVP between Brett and Barry. Um, but yeah, I, I, like I said, for me, if I had a vote, I definitely would vote for LeBar Jackson. I just can't over, I just cannot overlook 39 touchdowns with poor deception there right now.

Their first place in the AFC North, uh, the four Russian touchdowns were 852 yards. I can't overlook that. I know Derek Henry's in his backfield. I know, excuse me, Derek Henry is lighting the load on Lamar, but he's still doing it. Yeah. He's still doing it. You know, it's funny and it's funny for me, even I can separate the two. I can separate being a banger, playing for a franchise where obviously the enemy is the Ravens, but I can separate the two and understand the greatness that is Lamar Jackson. I can appreciate the quarterback playing, what he's been able to do since watching him

in the high school at Boyden High School, watching him at Louisville and seeing how he's grown and matured into the quarterback he is today when they've always said what he couldn't do We don't think it would be a quarterback in this nfl. We think you should try running back. Yeah No, just just all the stuff he's had to overcome all the obstacles and the hurdles and to see where he's come now I can honestly say this And and even as a bangle as much as I bleed that goddamn black and orange I really hope he win it the whole thing this year. Listen, I really hope he wins the whole thing this year, Unc. Not just the MVP,

but goddamn it, motherfucker, get you a chip just to get him off your back. So there's nothing else they can say, Unc. Just so there's nothing else they can say. And if you have any type of documentary, if you have any type of film that talks about the start to the finish, I want the lead up to it, how it starts, to be all the negative things everybody said. That's all I like to tell Joe. I think the thing is when we try to explain things to people, people don't, see they'll take a clip

and because a lot of times people use clickbait because they've got my face, they got our face up there or night cam say something And they they frame it on a negative light. They don't even listen to it I've said I don't believe Lamar Jackson career is a failure if he doesn't win a championship But they've been nine guys to win two MVPs Every last one has won a Super Bowl. Guys, people say Aaron and Aaron, Aaron Rogers has under achieved with four MVPs in one Super Bowl.

So what do you think they're going to say about Lamar if he has three MVPs and no Super Bowls on his resume when he retires? If Aaron Rodgers, if people believe Aaron Rodgers has underachieved with four MVPs and one Superbowl, Ocho, what will people say about Lamar if he has three MVPs and no Superbowls when his career is over? It's gonna be worse.

It's a disappointment. Yeah, it's gonna be worse. You understand that, the people understand that. that those are that you have to be able to not be a fan. Understand the politics, understand what comes with the game when it comes to the totality and the resume and the entirety of someone's body of work. And the requirements to be to be talked about in the top groups. Yes, you got the win. You got to win a trophy. the top groups. Yes. You got the win.

You got to win a trophy. You got to have one. You need something. At least one of them, especially when you're as great as you are in the regular season, which is why I would, which is why I can sit here and say, I really hope. I really hope after winning MVP this year, I hope he goes to New Orleans and he's able to lift that goddamn Lombardi. I really do. And that's what it comes down to, Ocho.

It really does. Look, you gotta take black and white out of it. I know everything we wanna make, a lot of things we want about racism, but we can't do it in this situation because we have nine guys that have won at least two MVPs Every last one has won an MV a Super Bowl So now we're gonna say well, well if Lamar Jackson over here, well, that's fine and dandy

No, and the reason why I don't in many others don't hold Burrow and Josh Allen and all the other quarterbacks to Lamar because they don't have MVP. Once you get an MVP, you're thought of, you look at differently. Right. He gets looked at like now he gets, now he wins a Super Bowl. He gets judged just like my homeboy.

He gets judged just like Brady, just like Manny, just like all the other great quarterbacks that have multiple MVPs and a Super Bowl that's only right Mm-hmm. Hey, and you know, you know what I think about it. Yes, I think about it from a different perspective I'm looking at through a different lens and think about Lamar Jackson the quarterback Yes, the Marjack the quarterback that doesn't fit the mold Yes Jackson, the quarterback, the Marjack, the quarterback that doesn't fit the mold. Yes. That all the rest of them do the Lamar Jackson that chose not to change the Lamar Jackson that remained his true authentic self is especially based on

where he's come from, you know, he's still, he's still Lamar Jackson, the same Lamar Jackson for pompano. Yes. Nothing changed. And he's still playing the quarterback position without having to conform staying true to himself to who he really is That's what makes him love that that's what makes him who he is. He's not a pocket passer So why am I gonna try to be Tom Brady?

Why am I gonna try to be Peyton Manning when I can be Lamar Jackson and win just like they won and When MVP's and get to and win the Superbowl. They could, they had to do it that way. Because they didn't have the athleticism to play outside of the pocket. Lamar Jackson has the athleticism to play outside of the pocket. He also has the ability to throw in between in, in between the tackles. But if I don't have to, why should I? I don't have to prove I should I? I don't have to prove I'm gonna win this game.

And sometimes I felt that he wanted to prove that he could throw the ball from the pocket and win a game to say, I told you so. When that Super Bowl and say, all y'all 31 that passed me, even the ravers, but I give y'all a grace because Ozzy got out, he was in the second round, he traded back up to get me. I promised him a Superbowl. I've delivered that, but I'm not done.

So if you think I'm going to be satisfied with one, you're sadly mistaken. I'm putting everybody on notice. Now, hopefully they bring a D Henry back. I don't know what, he on a one year? He on a one year? One year, one year, eight million. Man.

They got to bring him back. I'm not saying they got to, but understand the nature. And how the business works. I mean, listen, while it's hot, while the comb is hot, while the comb is hot, come on now, don't be no fool. And. I mean, The running back always get Wednesday off. All I know is more times than not, he lines it up. Yeah.

All that other stuff. I don't know about all. I don't know the whole bottle of other stuff, but I know that man takes a lot of pounding and every single week I see him dotting the eye. So, oh Joe, it only took Lamar for carries to become the all time leading rusher in the NFL history for the quarterback position. The record was 6109 held by former colleague Michael Vick Lamar passed Michael Vick despite playing 41 fewer games. So basically he played two and a half seasons fewer than what Vick has played

and he broke the record. Crazy. That's crazy. And you wouldn't, people wouldn't understand how crazy that is and how that sounds when you understand what Vic was during his time. Here's the thing though, Ocho. It took, it took Michael Vic 13 seasons to get to that number. Lamar has done it under seven, right?

In under seven season. He's in his seventh season right now, right? Yeah, yeah. He's in seventh. Because he's right, but he's a year behind my homeboy. Because my homeboy is in eight. He's in seventh. But he started halfway through his rookie season where my homeboy only got the one game. Go ahead. I have a question too. I like the I like the milestone that he's recent. So that's a short amount of time, short amount of time as opposed to Vic. When you think about numbers like this, right. And saying that Lamar was able to reach a milestone that took, that

took a little bit longer. You don't, it took Vic a little bit longer to get to you count the season, which he get drafted because he go play that year. Mahomes came in a year before it's, it did my home run the season, which he get drafted because he go play that year. My home came in a year before it's it did my home run the MVP, his rookie, his second year, and then Lamar wouldn't MVP his second year. Great. What were you saying? Oh Joe.

Now I was saying, when you look at the milestone that Lamar Jackson was able to reach in such a, in such a short amount of time, as opposed to Vic, who took a little longer to do it, the same thing when it comes to receivers, receivers playing in today's game and receivers that played before them in a different era. Do you ever take into account that the game is different now into how you're not allowed to know that the physicality has been taken out of it? So I don't want to call it easy. It's a little bit easier to put up the numbers they're doing today.

Or you don't take that into account. Oh yeah. Well, for the quarterback, is it really easy for the quarterback to scramble? Yeah, look, I think that here it is. Oh Joe. I think the thing is, is that they do protect the quarterback a lot more than say, maybe even when Vic first got into the league, um's not like, look, they protect all the quarterbacks. Now, 80s and the 90s, when I came in the league,

60s, 70s, boy look here. They didn't care about none of y'all well-being back then. None. If they would hit a quarterback, like some of the times I saw Elway get hit, my quarterback, and see somebody above the quarterback, oh, you get suspended three games. I'm talking about them jo will put in a helmet right? Oh man. They were putting a helmet

Right in the guys turn them right right Drop it up I mean we want we got to the super because uh goose dropped his weight down on Rich Gannon's shoulder Go back and look at the L.c. Championship game Separated this broke his collarbone, separated his shoulder something, and put him out. You can't attack the quarterback like that. But what L. Jack is doing at the quarterback position, because not only can he run, we know he's the best runner in the game.

Now he's a top five passer, and I'm not so sure he's four or five So when you look at that when you combine he's the best runner at the quarterback position and he's a top five Passer at the position. How do you stop it? You hope he has an off day You hope you pressure him you hope you can get a couple turnovers here and there and that's the way you beat the Redmonds Try to try to get him off schedule, try to get him off script. That's the best thing you can do. But the problem is if you pressure him and you get out the back door.

Yeah, you better not run past him now. Then yeah, stop. Yeah, you better not jump out. Once you get even, you see him back there, oh, he back here. Once you get here, you better level off. Yeah. You run past him.

Stop and be under control. Hey, it's sad. It's one thing to talk about it. It's another thing to be out there and goddamn be able to do it. Absolutely. Well, we do have to factor in that Michael Vick went away. He did go to federal prison for 23 months.

I think he was out of the league for like two or three years. And so, who would who the record would look, I'm not saying Lamar wouldn't have this record eventually, but I do believe Michael Vick would have had more rush yards than what he had because when he came back, yeah, he was still, but he wasn't the Michael Vick experience big. Right.

You weren't that land of big. Yeah. He was a better, he, they, he was a better thrower of the football in Philly, but that guy on that turf in Atlanta. No, it was different. The chiefs go to Pittsburgh and they win 29 to 10. So what the number one seed in the AFC with a 15 and one, they'll get the first round by have home field advantage

throughout the playoffs as long as they win. The 19 point margin of victory was the chief's largest of the season. They had 389 yards more than half, more than they had in all the, Ocho check this out. Yeah. 389 was the most yards they had in the season in all but one game.

Even without Chris Jones, Russell Wilson was sacked five times, intercepted once, and they forced us to turn over by the Steelers. Andy Reid called it the most complete game of the season. You and I talked about that at the beginning of the thing. When you look at my home and you look at what they were able to do offense without their best defensive player on the road in a hostile environment. And I look, I know some Steelers have kind of fallen on hard time

They've lost their last three games, but that's still Pittsburgh very well coach. They have a very good defense Officially, they couldn't run the football today. Oh, they did run it good God Oh that was late in the ball game. Nigel Harris had 13 for 74 Jalen Warren had 11 for 71 they had 31 for 202 I think the turning point, Ocho, in that ball game is when Rush threw that interception in the end zone. He got fooled. It was covered, Ocho, what it was, it was covered too.

And what McDuffie did is that he got a jam so good on pickings, pick and stop. So in the process of him stopping, Reed is looking at him. He's like, well, I don't gotta get wide now. I can stay right here on the hash. You have to, yeah. Who thought he was going to get wide? He doesn't get wide.

Yeah. I got it. See it was, it was Pickens. Pickens can't get jammed there. Cause we need to go. You still gotta go. Oh, safety. You gotta put the safety in a

motherfucking bag. You got to put the thing to the band. Then it's a two way go. Run has a two way to go with the ball. But once you took it, once, once Duffy took away Pickens, there's only one, it's only, and once you look at to the left, there's only one place two way go. Rush has a two way for where to go with the ball. But once you took it, once Duffy took away Pickens, it's only one, it's only, and once you look it to the left,

it's only one place you can go. Exactly. Because here's the thing. If Pickens gets past McDuffie, McDuffie gots to retreat. But now since Pickens stopped, there ain't nothing to threaten the flat. So I'm gonna stay right here.

Yeah. And so now, instead of getting wide Reed says I what I need to get wide for ain't no threat over there. No threat Yeah, my threat is coming and he's like boom and then he picked him and I think that cost him a little bit more that Cost him some momentum right there. Yeah, and you know what the steel is in the first half I mean they were trying to control time of possession obviously being time and possession, obviously being able to run the ball, being able to run the ball and throw it here and there, especially to the tight end is if I don't, I don't want to butcher his name.

Is it fire, fire, move fire, fire, move, fire, move him in the him and Russ was cooking for a little bit on some of those plays. Yeah. The problem with them is when they were getting into the red zone, they weren't being, they weren't scoring, they weren't putting them no damn points, man. They won't put them no, if you're getting down,

if you're getting anywhere in the facility, anywhere in the vicinity, you got to put up something. Yes. You got to. Yes. Ocho, the Steelers didn't run the ball that well. Going into the fourth quarter, the Steelers had 10 rushes for 89 yards.

So that two, that's in the fourth quarter, the Steelers had 10 rushes for 89 yards. So that too, that's in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Uh, and so now that tells me that's a lot of garbage yards. So in the fourth quarter, at some point, there's like the chief said, like, we let y'all run it. We just not going to get anything, anything cheap, anything deep. Russell Wilson was 23 of 37, two Oh five. He didn't play well

Russ hadn't played well the last couple of weeks and This team is not good enough to overcome poor play at the quarterback position Remember, that's why they made the switch to a rust because they were winning games But it's a struggle when your quarterback doesn't play well Because now you in these male fighters and you got to go nip-tuck nip- tuck, nip tuck. And a lot of you got to hope a lot of things go well. The one turnover you only had to buy one turnover today. But again, they had two turnovers that that definitely took points off the board because they were already in field goal range.

And so that interception that Reid got took points off the board. We don't know how that would have turned out if they could have held onto that ball that Fryer moved fumble. But when you play it against the Chiefs, even though they're not as explosive as they once were, you still got to play damn near perfect. Don't worry about them what they doing. Oh yeah. You.

You have to. You have no choice. You know why? Cause of 15. Cause of 15. He forced you to man. Cause of 15, that's all it come down to. 29 to 38, 323 touchdowns. Kelsey, eight catches, 84 yards of touchdown. Xavier Worthy, eight catches, 84 yards of touchdown.

Xavier Worthy, eight catches, 79 yards, touchdown. Justin Watson, two catches, 60 yards, touchdown. Hollywood Brown, four for 46. Samajay P. Ryan, two for 20. Juju, two for 18. D Hop had a quiet day today. But the thing is, and listen, y'all listen, I don't know what y'all thinking.

When they bring Justin Watson in the game, he running two routes. He running a nine or he running a post. Now I don't know what y'all thinking, but y'all need to go back. He can run. Oh yeah. DBs, I don't know what y'all been told

that white guys can't run. They can't jump when Justin Watson comes in the game. He gonna run two routes. He run in a post or he gonna run his nine round. Now you ain't gotta believe me. But now when the man behind you, you like you looking at well what happened? I told you what happened. They're gonna run the dagger the one to the backside and they're gonna hope to

safety jumping and they're gonna run the post to the backside with him on yeah I'm sorry I'm just give me it's give me an hour just give me your heads up in case y'all don't want to watch film but that was just a Watson because he got wheels he could run and he a big kid he ain't no little receiver Ocho. I think Deontay Johnson he kind of underestimated him a little bit he tried to jam him at the line and he missed and I thought you know Deontay you know Deontay's fast now so I thought maybe thought I'm gonna catch up to him. Oh no you're not. Oh no. Ocho people don't understand 4-3 ain't catching 4-3. 4-3 might catch 4-5 you ain't catching for three for three might catch four or five

You ain't catching for three because you got to realize you got the back pedal and then turn Yeah, yeah you not catching that no and got a big play out of that But the Steelers whoo Y'all got to dig deep now a Hey, because you know, the Bengals are coming in. They know in order for them to have any chance, they've got to win that. If they went Sunday, they know in order for them to have any chance, they've got to win. Y'all got to take care of this. So Sunday Broncos got y'all. Hold on. Hold on. When we, when we win Saturday, we play Saturday.

My bad. You're right. You're right. When we play and win Saturday, we play Saturday. Oh, he said it. My bad. You're right. You're right. When we play and win Saturday, then we will take care of business with the Steelers. Okay. Right now, we focus on the Broncos. Y'all focus on the Broncos? We focus on the Broncos. Bronco country. Because after that game, Bronco who? Bronco country. Yeah. Okay. Because after that game. I'm sorry y'all they got no. Y'all talking about Welcome to the Jungle. Yeah, y'all ain't got no Broncos. Yeah. Okay. After that game, you know, they got no. Y'all talking about welcome to the jungle. Yeah.

Y'all ain't got no. Yeah. Hey, that's it's a jungle. It's it. Oh, it's it's a jungle now. Believe that. We'll be playing y'all that we we going to mile high. No, y'all. We come to y'all. So, what you think for the happen? What you

think for the matter of fact, I'm going to go to that game. Bronco Country. Matter of fact, I'm going to go to that game. Bronco country. Matter of fact, I'm going to go to that game. Hey, hey, Patrick 13, Jr. What you going to do with uno and five out there? Do you realize when they target PS2, Yeah. Their QB, their rating is like 36.1.

You come out better just throwing the ball in the dirt. You have a higher quarterback rating if you just threw the ball in the dirt.1. You come out better just throwing the ball in the dirt. You have a higher quarterback rating if you just threw the ball in the dirt. Okay. So you you want you want to bet some on the on the matchup? You already owe me three bands. Oh, you how much? Three bands. Well, let's let's let's double or nothing then. Double or nothing. Double or nothing. How you go through the bank? Don money from the bank. Don't pay the bank. Don't make no money. And say give and say you know

what? Hey, give me double what you owe me. Give me I want you to give me double what I borrowed from you and I'm gonna pay you back. I I tell you I'm good for it though. No. You ain't good for it. If you were good for it I already have it. My money

draw an interest in your pocket. Well you know what double it up then. One thing about it, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it to you regardless because you know, I'm good for what they say. Money out of sight calls a fight. We ain't we don't fight because I listen. I'm not going. I'm not going to jail for beating on my elders. I tell you what I do. Do what I tell people right here. If I can't get you up off me, you're welcome to stay. I tell you what, I do what I tell people right here, Ocho. If I can't get you up off me, you're welcome to stay. I promise you that, that's all I got for you.

If you get on me and I can't get you off, feel free to stay there. But I promise you, I bet I'll make you turn me loose. Hey, hell nah. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.

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lineman a ten thousand dollar gift card, air Airbnb gift card that can be used anywhere around the globe. He got each one of them Louis Vuitton duffel bags and Steelers colors, colors, custom made Steelers. Uh, good man brain shoes made with a Wilson's his clothing brand and a bottle of Sierra's 10 to one room.

Um, there was some good gifts that, I mean, uh I mean, the Eagles, Hurts and Saquon got the linemen custom golf carts. I'm talking about big ones. Josh Jacobs got the offensive linemen diamond pennants. Yeah. We saw Mahone boy, I don't know what Mahone boy got here, guys, but I mean, oh, he got a Rolex. Hey, Lamar Jackson, He got his guys Rolexes

You know Jack got his guys Rolexes. Yeah office of lineman. They feel real confident They got Josh Allen a pender with MVP on the back They they jumped it they jump in the They jump in the gun right little bit, rightfully so. Even if he doesn't win it, in their eyes, he's had an MVP season, so I understand it. I understand it, but listen, the quarterbacks, they making different kind of money

where you can give these type of gifts. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give these type of gifts to your linemen in appreciation for what they've done for you throughout the entirety of the season. It's a dope gesture. It a very very dope gesture okay plus the fact look quarterbacks they're different quarterbacks can go to dealers and these places that have these atvs and all this other stuff and they're gonna get a discount they're gonna hit me you overhead they're gonna want full

price as a matter of fact they buy up charge us i mean but the quarterbacks they probably you but how many you want to buy mr. Mahomes? Okay, we'll we'll do this We'll give you to him for what we bought him for But uh, I mean Lamar got like I said Lamar got his uh Limon or Rolex is also I saw booger McFarlane tweeted about DBS when y'all gonna give some for the D lineman Y'all can't cover without what? without us bro, I I don't know what to tell you about that book. I thank you. First of all, but you already play no more You should have thought about that when you was in the league

Tell me about RC RC a ain't in the league either. But I'm trying to think, have I ever heard of DB getting something for the D line? No, I haven't. No. I mean, I don't know, maybe Ray got something for Goose in Big Sam for his first MVP. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't know, but rest in soul, Goose.

Yeah, but those quarterbacks. But see, oh, hell, I'm making 50, 60 million plus another probably five, 10 off the field. I mean, my home might be doing 15, 20 million in endorsements off the field. So he might be bringing home 70 million a year. Well, yeah. What I care about dropping five,

a half a million to a million dollars on my line. Yeah, that ain't nothing. Yeah. According to Adam Schefter, Pete Carroll has expressed interest in the Chicago Bears head coaching job and would like to return to the sideline next season. Three teams, the Bears, the Jets, the Saints are in the market for a head coach who can help reset their culture.

Few coaches have had it more effective than Carol at doing that. Carol is one of the four head coaches that led teams to both national championship and Super Bowl. Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson and Jim Harbaugh. I like I like Pete, but not in Chicago. They need an offensive. They need a look. They can get a deep is it, but he has to go scour and get college. Maybe even a college OC. Right. That's creative.

That knows how to work with the skill set of what Caleb Williams possess. He can't, he can't go get one of those conventional guys that he had in Seattle. That ain't gonna work. He can't, he can't go get one of those conventional guys that he had in Seattle. That ain't going to work. You know what I think now we talk about the Chicago job and I like what you said about Pete Carroll, who is a player's coach. I think the coach, I mean, the players will gravity gravitate towards him, but you do need a officer coordinator that has the creativity that can, that can help

Caleb Williams use some of use his skill set to his ability and what he's able to do. Another job, now we talked about Mike McCarthy, right? We just talked about it the other night. Ben Johnson. What you think about this? Ben Johnson, Dallas Cowboys. Oh, I like that.

I haven't heard his name mentioned before, but it was never with the Cowboys. I like that. You know, I haven't heard his I heard his name mentioned before, but it was never with the Cowboys. I think Ben Johnson would be the perfect fit for the Cowboys and working with that and bringing some of that creativity that he does over there in Detroit. Now he doesn't have the same personnel to be able to do some of the things he did. But based on what you have and what he knows he has, their strengths and the weaknesses of the players on that team. I think we will do some damage as that head coach.

Hell, matter of fact, head coach and offensive coordinator, keep calling the players there in Dallas too, if the opportunity presents itself. So, yeah, Pete, because obviously he left Seattle last year. They got Mike McDonald, who was the former defensive coordinator, uh, of the Baltimore Ravens, uh, Zach or took over that job, uh, jump the, uh, uh, John Harbarg guy has a nice little tree. I mean, he got Mike, uh, McDonald, uh, is a head coach, Zach or the defensive coordinator, Anthony Weaver,

who was in Baltimore. He's the D, uh, the DC Miami. Um, so, uh, John Harbarg put together a nice little staff, but Pete Carroll is interested in getting back into the NFL coach, uh, coach Harbarg coach Belichick seems like he might be only on the sidelines at North Carolina for one year because he has a $1 million buyout after one season. Um, but you see what you see? How I did it. My son is a defense coordinator. I'm not going to be here because I ain't heard nobody say a word. Ain't nobody mention nothing about nephro-autism. I ain't even heard nobody say anything about baptism. Right. I know one thing. I like what Belichick is doing too. Now there have been very many rumblings when there were job openings as

head coaches in the NFL. Did you notice every team that did a hire, how young the coach was? You understand what I mean? Now you talked about it. We've talked about it and I said, I think this is a good thing for Bellas check to go to North Carolina, because this is what it's going to show the people it's going to show the owners in NFL. Listen, I was one of the greatest coaches of all time. Matter of fact, I am the greatest coach of all time. My coaching ways might be a little outdated for today's era. And I might not be able to relate to or resonate with the young players.

I'm going to go to North Carolina. I'm going to show you that I can be a leader of young men. I can resonate with this era and the younger kids of this generation and win and build a nice program, letting owners know that I want back in NFL because I can relate to and coach these young players of this generation as well. Yeah but I'm just saying I don't see the outrage because there's a lot of outrage you know if you notice when they do it don't nobody from their culture talk about this nepotism that's only us now we'll

talk about it we'll talk about it but we we'll talk about us. Oh, they call that the Brock Debronnie. You see what he did? They do it all the time. Andy Reed had his sons on his staff coaching. Coach Belichick had his son on his staff coaching. But somehow we feel bad if we give our homeboy, go look at the staff. Look at Mike, look at Sean McVay. Look at Mike

McDaniels. Look at LaFleur. Now, look at where they work. They with Shanahan. Look how many guys on that staff keep it going. But they make us feel bad. No, our culture make us feel bad if we give somebody like us an opportunity. Listen, we the only ones do that though. We don't, we don't, we're not everybody. So we don't want to put everybody. A good percentage though. Yes. Good percentage. But I mean, if, if not, I ain't going to put my son in position if that's not what he want to do.

Right. But Steve Belichick wants to coach. Okay, you want to coach? Oh You so happens I'm a coach. Come on My son wanted to be a media this what you want to do come on right now what he wants to do I Don't got no problem I don't got no problem. Good, it's okay when they do it. It's a problem when we do it. Yeah, you know, it's always gonna be something. It's always gonna be something.

Anytime it comes to talking about getting ahead in any way, you know, and it doesn't benefit the next person, you know how it is. Yeah, but how, I mean, I, I want us to win. I really do. Oh, Joe, I want us the community. I want everybody to win, but am I biased towards my community? Damn right. Cause I grew up in that community and I think there are some things that we, we

can do and we should do, but we've got to stop this anytime someone becomes successful in our community, think they did something seedy Undermined it or underhanded to get there. Oh, he's solely sold they don't I've never heard somebody say the kelsey sold a soul. I've never heard they don't say what paid man He got a billion dollar company. It ain't nobody said he sold his soul man. You got a little thing man I'm the solely sold He got a billion dollar company. And ain't nobody said he sold his soul. Me and you got a little thing. Man, the soul is sold. You notice that Peyton Manning got a billion dollar company after making 300 million plus in the NFL.

And not one person has ever said Peyton Manning sold his soul. Tom Brady get three, 400 million dollars. Not one person said Tom Brady sold. I wonder what he had to do to get that job. Now I need y'all to jump in the chat and tell me why. You know why? No, no, no, no. I want to hear him say it because it seems like anytime we do something,

what about hard work? So what did I do to get to the NFL? I sold my soul. A discipline. Y'all just see how I approach what I do now. Can you imagine how maniacal I was? When I was playing to get to that Right. That's not an accident. It's not an actual show There are two people from the same house of 3,500 people in a town

Make it to there. That's not an accident. Yeah But I just I'm like I mean you should think like hell the way I look at anything Oh Joe, if I see somebody do it I Can do you get it? Oh, yeah, but what they only so they only did it They only what they stopped making they stopped giving job people opportunities to do something because you did it. Hell no. I don't think I'm better than anybody. Oh, Joe. I don't I've never felt because oh I could play football I'm better than you or I'm in this situation. I'm better than you. Do I think I could do my job better than you do your job?

Yeah, I do. Yeah, yeah, I do. job better than you I did a speaking forum for him and I'm gonna have him, I'm gonna, he gonna come on and give us some, he man, I mean, just sit down and talk to him, oh, chum boy, he got his stuff together. Wait, who? John Hope Brack. Okay, okay, okay. You probably see him, I mean, he got social media, you know, we got to say he has forum

and I'm talking about the big companies, I'm talking about the Salesforce, the deltas the Google that everybody right And and to invest in how you build your credit score and how you how you you build a business and how you You know you invest in and watch it grow over time. That's how you create Well, and then generational will and so we're gonna have this 25. We're gonna have him come on a couple times And Talk and so hopefully people tune in and and get some valuable some valuable insights of how How to invest look everybody?

It's hard to accumulate wealth when you don't have money, right? And we've got to stop the money that we have If if you have a car that's more valuable than the money that you got in your savings account, there's a problem Come on that's a mofo problem as he said it he said he was telling the story like look If your assets is on your ass, That's a mofo problem. As he said, he said, he was telling the story. He's like, look, if your assets is on your ass, that's a problem. Hey, that's a good one. You know what I'm saying, don't joke. And a lot of times people are like, bro,

how you driving up and with a nice car, you can stay in an apartment. You got to understand, it's about image it's about image it's about looking to par It's about looking as if you have it because if you look like you got it Then you're you're able to get what it is. You're attracting because when it comes to everything is visual. Yes Think about social media. Everything is about visual if I look like I got it Then I could attain some of the things that I'm attracted to it's easy It's easy. Oh, you just got to look like it

Rinse your car get you some nice clothes put up some nice shoes put you some chains on. Okay. He looked like he got it Yeah, a car pain said you and I sold our souls. He trodden. Me? Shit, I ain't shit. Shit, well you know what I said. No, no, no, I know he had the laughing emojis up there. Okay, okay.

But yeah, but we gonna have him on to talk some financial literacy, you know, get money. And I said, Ash, in 2015, I met this guy. And this guy said, Shannon, I wanna give you an opportunity. Yeah. At the time, Bitcoin, he said, we can do like 10 coins. And because I know you, I'll let you have the coins

for $250 a coin. I'm gonna give you the coins and because I know you, I'll let you have the coins for $250 a coin. You see how I'm sitting here tapping my fingers? Yeah. I think the coin is not what like 100,000 a coin. This was in 2015. If I go ahead and do it out of a go ahead and take it over. It I'm going to hit one of these. I'm going to hit one of these.

I don't let a couple of go. I don't let Netflix. You know, you know, you know the fun thing about it is it only takes this this many times to hit. Yeah. I don't let you know, you have a chance to get Netflix when it was $2.00. You know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know the fun thing about it is. Yeah. It only takes this this many times to hit. Yeah. I don't let you know. You have a chance to get Netflix when it was two dollars. Had an opportunity to get a Google. Had an opportunity to get Bitcoin. I'm going to get one of these right one day, y'all. Now, I will tell you which one.

But there'll be signs that Shannon came into a large sum of money. There will be fans. Maybe it might be the farm of miniature cows that I have. Maybe. I don't know what it is, but you, damn. Man, you're talking about a farm with a thousand mini cows. A thousand. Yeah That no, it all the sudden man, yeah, man, I heard oh gossip

Yeah, oh got like 15 dolls now Mm-hmm. So there'll be signs that UG have come into a summer money. I ain't gonna say nothing. I ain't gonna mention anything about it. But if you see me, that's what's gonna happen. The Volume Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states,

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