Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron & Bronny in Cleveland, Unc’s shocking confession, Pat Bev goes off

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and NBA champion J.R. Smith discuss Los Angeles Lakers’ LeBron and Bronny James return to Cleveland in a 134-110 loss to the Cavs. Later, Ocho and J.R. a...re in shock as Unc says he wouldn’t hesitate to fire his own kids if necessary, Patrick Beverly saying JJ Reddick would have been fired  if the Lakers would've started off 0-3 and much more!03:13 - Show start03:35 - Intro07:30 - Lakers v Cavs39:20 - Pat Bev on JJ Reddick51:00 - D-Wade on Statues58:30 - Joe Mazulla wants fighting back(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:53 we'd like to thank our newest contributor, JR Swish. You can go follow JR on all his platforms. He has a podcast and it's called part part three podcast. I repeat, you can follow JR on all platforms. He has a podcast called part three podcast on all platforms that's at part three podcast. Again, at part three, the number podcast. Let's give JR Smith swishish, a round of applause.
Starting point is 00:05:26 What's happening? What's happening, man? I appreciate you all having me, man. Bro, we appreciate this. We really appreciate. You played for a long time. Obviously you understand the game. You are a very integral part on teams that went to the championship, that won a championship. So it's nice to have somebody when we talk basketball.
Starting point is 00:05:44 We had Gill last year. Gill did an unbelievable job. won a championship. So it's nice to have somebody when we talk basketball. We had Gil last year, Gil did an unbelievable job. And Gil from time to time he says, we ever need him, he's available. And so Gil, we really thank you for your contribution and your service last year. JR, it's your turn under fire. So we look forward to getting your expertise
Starting point is 00:06:03 on a lot of different subjects with it involves basketball and Hey, we're gonna talk football. We're gonna talk a whole lot of other things. I know you're a football fan. So And golf I want to football football Team looking bad. We look at stank right now. I want to talk about Alright, all right. Let's get right into it The Cavaliers blow out the Lakers, one 30, four to one 10. And Ronnie James scored his first NBA point and his dad watches from the bench. Jared Allen scored 20 points, has 17 rebounds.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Evan Mobley had 24, five points. And Donovan Mitchell had 24 points. The Lakers were led by LeBron James, who played only 29 minutes because the game got out of hand. Anthony Davis continued his great play having 22 points and 13 rebounds. The Lakers were unable to cut the Cleveland lead after falling behind by 23 in the first half.
Starting point is 00:06:53 In the final minutes, Bronnie grew up in the end this arena. He made a 14 foot jumper with two minutes and three seconds to play for his first NBA points. He's only a little over 40,000 from catching his dad. Swish, when you watch this game and considering how well the Lakers had played, even though they lost the other night,
Starting point is 00:07:13 I think it was last night, I think last night they lost by four to Phoenix, but they won the previous three. When you look at them, the first three games, last night and tonight, what didn't you like about what you saw from the Lakers? I mean, for me, it's a lot about ball movement. For one, I mean, Bron is what, 40?
Starting point is 00:07:35 About 41? He'll be about to be 40. Yeah, he's about to be 40. 84. So no, he'll be 40 on December 30th. Yeah, so for me, it's like at the end of the day, like seeing him lead the charge is concerning and it's alarming because obviously, you know, you need a you need
Starting point is 00:07:53 an extra guy, you need an extra guy or two. The way to be be doing it at his age is it's incredible. But at the same time, he shouldn't have to be carrying a load like that. And for me, what's alarming that that is when you look at the guys who've been working out all season long, all off season long, been in the gym and is like, this is the time, especially earlier on in the season, this is the time where you, you know, you start displaying. So further on down the line, down the road, middle of the year, end of the year, they like, okay, we can trust this guy. This is where he's been.
Starting point is 00:08:26 You know, this is where he's been excellent for me. Being being in those situations, I don't see that from their role, players, the guys they brought back like, where are you getting better at? Like, what part of the game are you evolving to where? OK, we was lacking this part this last year. I'm going to be a knockdown shooter. I'm gonna be a lockdown defender. I'm gonna be somebody who get in the pick and roll and make plays.
Starting point is 00:08:50 I don't see that from this team so far. So that for me, that's the most alarming part about it, but it is still early. Yeah, I'm watching them into the turnovers. When you look at it, AD had the most shot. He had 19, he was nine of 17. Rui was four of six. LeBron was nine of 13.
Starting point is 00:09:09 D-Lo was two of seven. And Austin Reed was two of six. Now, that's two of six and two of seven is not great percentage, but they only got six shots. Swish, they only got seven shots. AD only had 19 because you had 20 turnovers. So now you don't even give yourself an opportunity to get into. So now you don't even give yourself an opportunity to get into an offense.
Starting point is 00:09:26 You don't even give yourself an opportunity to knock down shots, to get into the pick and roll, or to, you know what I'm saying? To run the dribble drive, to run the dribble handoff. So when you turn the ball over, you give them easy buckets on the other end. And so now they shoot 58% from the floor. They shoot 42% from the three. Well, if you allow a team to shoot 58% from the floor. They shoot 42% from the three.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Well, if you allow a team to shoot 58% from the floor, Swish, you know this. If you allow a team to shoot 42% from the three, you losing that game. And you're probably gonna lose it by a lot. Yeah, I was about to say, you gonna get smoked. You ain't gonna lose. You gonna get, it's gonna be embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:09:59 But for me, it's like, you know, obviously a guy like Austin Reeves, some nights you gonna have off nights and stuff like that, but you know, obviously a guy like Austin Reeves, some nights you're gonna have off nights and stuff like that, but you gotta figure out a way for him to get more than six to eight shots. Like if he's gonna be that one of those, the third guy to Brian the 80, he's gotta figure out a way to get eight more,
Starting point is 00:10:19 at least 10 to 12 shots. D'Angelo Russell, 10 to 12 shots. I mean, 24 minutes, five assists at the point guard with the players that you playing with, no disrespect to D-Lo, but I'm gonna need more out of that. And on top of that, you're not my primary defender on the ball. So you got to give me something. So for me, it's a lot of that. And on top of that, when I sit here and look at it,
Starting point is 00:10:45 they had 37 assists to their 21. You ain't gonna win many games like that. No. You know what, I got a question. You talk about some of the players that need to take more shots. How do you know when it's okay to take those shots? Do you have the green light from the head coach?
Starting point is 00:10:58 Do you have the green light from the other players, the override passing the ball? And B, have the willingness to shoot. How much he make. How big about D. Lowe make about what about 17 to 21? Most of the way about me, nothing about shots. But you talking about shots. Let it go. So you can shoot at will based on your salary.
Starting point is 00:11:20 100 percent. What are they going to say? OK, OK, OK, OK. What are they going to say? Well, when they look,? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What they gonna say? Well, when they look when they throw you the ball you was by yourself or just man on man Which was looking a bar ain't no man over the top. Ain't nobody over the top helping. Give me the ball So for me when I look at her honestly like when I look at guys like D Lowe Reeves and you going that third fourth option Rui Rui you I mean Rui for sure, I think Rui's a lot, he's underrated for me, because what he does
Starting point is 00:11:52 is disguised by how good LeBron is. Because when you look at his size, he can guard all positions, he can shoot the ball, he can put the ball on the floor, create a play, he can defend, obviously rebound. Like he's in a tough situation because he's playing with a guy like LeBron. So that's the same thing with like,
Starting point is 00:12:11 kind of like Jeff Green fell in that era with us when he was with Cleveland. He's in the same similar situation. So they're gonna cater to Brown when he's on the floor. So it doesn't really do him justice when they play them together. Yeah. You know AD and LeBron is gonna get the low bulk of the floor. So it doesn't really do him justice when they play them together. Yeah. You know, A.D. and LeBron's gonna get the bulk of the shots. You know that now, let's what are you guys are feeling it?
Starting point is 00:12:30 We saw early in the season, Oster is feeling it. So he's going to get 15 to 18 shots. D-Lo, he gets hot one night. OK, now that might creep up the 20 shots in a given night. But you know, LeBron and A.D. are going to get the bulk of the shots. But I think a lot of this had to do with, because they were getting blowed out switch, they only played 28, 24, 29, 31 minutes.
Starting point is 00:12:52 It's hard to get those kinds of shots in that small amount of time. Now, if they played their normal minutes, maybe they can get up a few more shots. But when you turn the ball over, everybody's shots are coming down because you don't even get an opportunity to put the. But when you turn the ball over, everybody's shots are coming down because you don't even get an opportunity to put the ball up because you've turned it over.
Starting point is 00:13:10 And as you mentioned, they had 37 assists. So that's telling me great ball movement. It's also telling me y'all turn the ball over. They get some cheaper assists off of that. Oh, 100 percent. And you look at the rebounds, 37, 36. The Lakers actually win the rebound game. Yeah. They still get smoked. So for me, it's obviously it's the turnovers for sure.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Because I was a big fan of it, especially in transition. People who hate the transition three early threes. I'm taking an early good look opposed to me swinging around the horn and we turn this joint over. And now I've got to turn into track star going on the other end. I'm going to put this up. I feel like I got a better percentage of making this opposed to us turning the ball over and then we got to get a stop on the other side. What about in situations like this, Wish, where
Starting point is 00:13:55 guys are trying early on trying to say I'm so unselfish and you overpass the ball and you end up turning it over like you say it. You're like okay I got a good look in transition I'm gonna let it rip as opposed to, oh, hot potato, hot potato. Next thing you know, the ball's going out of bounds. You're like, come on, man, go ahead and take that shot. Yeah, it's tough when you come in a situation. Like when I first got to Cleveland,
Starting point is 00:14:17 we used to run into that a lot because we got Kyrie at the point, me at the two. We got Bron, K Love, and obviously Tristan setting the screens of Rose and Mazzy. But we look around the horn, it's like, we got like, listen, I got a good shot, but he got a great shot. So let me kick it to him. And you know, guys just operating so fast, you want to be unselfish, but at the same time, it's like, if I don't take this shot, then he's not going to be open where we need it to be open. So for me, a lot of those times is like, I want to be unselfish, but at the same time,
Starting point is 00:14:46 I got to be selfish for the team because it's going to help us out in the long run. Tway, you watched Bronnie grow up, spent a lot of years with LeBron in Cleveland and see Bronnie go from a seven, eight, nine year old to not here he is in the NBA. What do you what is what is this moment? What do you think this moment means for LeBron? Oh, man, I mean, I can I can only imagine like to be able to.
Starting point is 00:15:14 I just had my first son, he's seven weeks. So for me, thinking about the grass, man, appreciate you appreciate your man. Well, you know, we saw that right. I mean, I'm sure you did. I'm sure you did. We gonna leave that Swish, we gonna leave that alone, but I'm just saying, I just want you to know we saw that. Hey man, hey, you know what, I heard you.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I ain't seen you, but I heard you. Okay, there you go, good Swish, it's too soon. Swish, you know what, as a matter of fact, we're about on the same timeline. It's about seven weeks. So you know what, that's why of fact, we thought of the same timeline. It's about seven weeks. So you know what? That's why I left the headline so quick because you pushed me out.
Starting point is 00:15:50 You like, get your ass out of these headlines. Hey, I got the 72 hour rule, dog. It's over. Straight up. Yeah, but you were saying this moment for LeBron and even the city of Cleveland to see LeBron come back and bring Junior with it. Yeah, man. I mean, honestly, Bronnie is such a, you know, you hear about so many different kids, so
Starting point is 00:16:16 many different situations who are like, you know, their parents are stars and they arrogant and they cocky and they feel like they just, you know, the world is supposed to be their oyster. And Bronnie is the complete opposite, man. It's like, it's a very humbling feeling to see him in a situation he's in. He's very, he's very, he's very grateful for the opportunity, you know, to live out your dreams as a kid. That's one of the very, very rare, you know, few things that, fortunately, us three have been able to do. But like, to live out your dreams as a kid, that's one of the very, very rare, you know, few things fortunately us three have been able to do, but like to actually live it out and to have your pops there
Starting point is 00:16:52 with you to show you, to really show you the ropes. It's very, it's inspiring, man. Like I really look at it and think of like, this is something I would definitely want to give my kid one day. If I can give him the keys to, if you can get the keys to the Chevy to your son, like what's different than giving them the keys
Starting point is 00:17:09 to the business or giving them the keys to the game, like just, and just letting them take it for, you know, what they want it to be. Regardless of the shoes that we feel, cause obviously, Bron is Bron and goes down the goat and everything else and comparison is going to be there or whatever, but to actually be able to live out your dream is something that very few people get to do.
Starting point is 00:17:28 So I just hope he's in a place to where he can actually absorb it and be happy and be satisfied with. And Jay, I don't think people understand how dope this situation is, this scenario as a father, as a father myself. And I'm just imagining being able to play long enough in NFL, which is hypothetically,
Starting point is 00:17:51 it's damn near impossible. And to be able to play long enough for your son to join you. Just that feeling and knowing all the work, you know, Bronnie and Bron have put in over the years and how it's paid off. Not only is it paid off, but now he has the opportunity to over the years and how it's paid off Not only is paid off But he's that now he has the opportunity to share the court and the sport in which they love and they've grown up playing All their life and then to share on the same team at that that is is
Starting point is 00:18:15 Dope in itself and I really can't really put it into words how awesome it is a lot of people have been critical of it Obviously saying, you know the whole favoritism and he only got you only he's only there because of it. Obviously saying, you know, the whole favoritism and he only got, he's only there because of his father. Well, hell, goddamn yeah. Well, shit, you're supposed to take advantage of those opportunities when you have, you know, the cache and you have the power that LeBron does to be able to bring your son on with you
Starting point is 00:18:40 and allow him to live out a dream, you know, to play at the highest level. To me, it's me, it's unreal. It's unreal and it's dope, it's motivating, it's inspiring, and I just wish, I wish I could have done something like that. Obviously I can't, so I'm gonna live vicariously through them. And that's pretty much it, man. That's really, really dope, man.
Starting point is 00:19:03 That's so dope. You ain't seen that in football. You ain't gonna see that in football. You ain't gonna see that in football, J.R., unless somebody have a kid while they in high school. No, for real. And they can play him. I mean, I got a couple of homies like that.
Starting point is 00:19:12 If it's a cornerback coach, yo. I mean, you guys, cause think about it. Tom Brady played 23 seasons. His son is probably a sophomore, junior in high school. Yeah. So he would have had to have that kid at 15, 16. So therefore by the time he's 32, Tom got another 11 years.
Starting point is 00:19:33 So by the time, now all of a sudden that's a realistic possibility. Now, you know, there might be somebody in the plot like, hmm, I'm gonna drop this one right here. You know, because that's what it's gonna take Coach O. You can't, I mean, LeBron had a kid at 20. Had a kid at 20. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Even if you have a kid at 20 in the NFL. Bro, what's the likelihood you play at another 20 seasons? Not good. Unless you're a quarterback and you really, really, really, really, really damn good. And not your son because the difference is NFL players don't have the kind of leverage that an NBA player has. Right. Especially a superstar like LeBron because the positions are so valuable.
Starting point is 00:20:24 So it's going to, like I said, I think Gordie Howe, I think he might have played with his sons back in the, you know, but the likelihood of you seeing that in the NFL. But it's unbelievable. I agree with you, Ocho. It is it is. I mean, if my kids wanted to do this, they could have an opportunity, but they don't cut it. I'm a fire.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out, come on, man. Time out, time out, time out. You'll fire your kids? What? No, like serious, all jokes aside, would you fire your kids? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Wait, so would you fire them or like reposition them in a different department? I'll reposition them and get them another job with another company. Yeah, but I think the thing is, but here's the thing. with another company. Yeah. But I think the thing is, but here's the thing. I wouldn't have to fire my kids because the job that they're gonna do, I know they'll be able to do it. I'm not gonna ask them to do CJ job,
Starting point is 00:21:18 who's the EP club, Shae Shae. I'm not gonna ask them to do Ash's job or something like that, an editor or graphics. That's not where they're good at. You're not going to throw them in the deep water. I can find a job where they can be good at, but I'm a demanding boss and they're my kids. Ash is shaking their ass, don't do that. But we, I mean, look, I think I owe them that to give them an opportunity if they wanted to do this.
Starting point is 00:21:50 But my son didn't want to play football. He's like it was too much because he dropped a pass and they tell him where your dad would have caught that. I know your uncle would have caught it. Well, you ain't got speed like your dad. He didn't want to hear that. Man, let the man grow. He 13, he 12, he 11.
Starting point is 00:22:06 What you mean? It's crazy to me because like we, like again, and it happens to us a lot in our community where, you know, we throw shade on stuff like that. But when I really look back at it, look back on it, like my owner in Denver, for the Denver Nuggets, like our owner, Stan Cronke at the time, like he couldn't own a certain amount of sports team.
Starting point is 00:22:29 So he gave it to his son. Right. Josh, Josh run the team, Josh owned the team now and everything else, and Stan runs, owns the Rams, and it's like, nobody said nothing. Avalanche, like Manchester. He got a hockey, yeah, he got a soccer team. Yeah, like, but nobody said nothing.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Nobody was like, it wasn't like, oh, he gave it, like his son isn't qualified, this or that. It was just like, oh no, hold on. They've been passing businesses down for hundreds of years, JR. Yeah, yeah. And they don't matter. I, if us somehow feel that we shouldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Oh, it's nepotism. That's the whole part of being in position. So I can do something for, it's the first time that I'm in position that I can actually hire this mofo. That's mine, he gonna get hired. Well, what can he do? Whatever I want, whatever I want him to do. If he just come in and just loaf
Starting point is 00:23:24 and he don't have to do that till noon, whatever he wants to do I want him to do. If he just come in and just loaf, and he don't have to do that till noon. Whatever he wants to do or she wants to do, they can do that because guess what? It's my issue. Yeah. So I've always wanted, I didn't know if I would be in a position to do that, but they, hey, oh, he's gonna take over.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Look at, okay, look at Jerry Jones, his sons, his son and his daughters. Charlie. Jerry Jr. And what's the other name that looks just like Jerry? Steven, Steven. The Steinbrenner, Hank and Hal. What do they do?
Starting point is 00:24:00 Besides be hit the lottery. Oh, my daddy's Mr. George Steinbrenner. My dad is Jerry Jones, X, Y, and Z. So my kids should have the same thing. They hit the lottery. Last day, their dad is Shannon Sharp. So if my kids wanna come, well, my daughter's gonna come in January.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I'm telling y'all, my daughter's putting in her two month notice. She put in a two month notice. So she company, she gonna be an employee. Now I don't know if she's gonna relocate cause she loves the A, but yeah, that's the whole point. I mean, we shouldn't feel bad. Somehow we've been made to feel bad
Starting point is 00:24:36 if we help someone, a family member or someone in our community. I ain't feeling bad about it. Nothing, nothing. So let me ask you this, how does that feel being able to like, being a parent and being able to put your child in a situation to where they can excel, not only excel,
Starting point is 00:24:54 but learn on their own time and like really take it, you know, take it as far as they want to take it. But plus I want to see, I want to see JR if this is something that they want on or am I want to see I want to see JR if. This is something that they want on or am I going to have to get off of it because I don't want them to feel obligated because this is daddy's business. They feel this is not their passion. It's just like my son. My passion was to go play in the NFL. That wasn't his. So I wasn't going to force my passion on him. I still won't force my passion on my kids.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Guys, is this something that you want to do? Do you feel you have the wherewithal? Do you want to put the time, energy, and effort in it to do this for the next 20, 30 years? They say, daddy, we appreciate it, but this is not what we, that's not what I want to do. So, I don't want them to feel obligated to do it. But J.R.
Starting point is 00:25:45 to answer your question, it feels great. It feels great that I can really help my kids. I can help my family and to give my daughter, my daughter's like, well, daddy, how much I'm going to make? I said, well, how much you think you're going to be worth? I said, don't be, hey, don't be coming here to talk about no quarter of a million dollars on an entry level job. I I say but I'll make it worth your while I want you to feel that you can you can earn a decent money, right? You can put some money away, but you don't have to look Because I don't want you crying poor mouth to me talking about with daddy you ain't paying me enough
Starting point is 00:26:18 So I'm gonna pay you enough where you can earn a decent salary you earn a decent salary, but you can still live. Yeah. Yeah, I read an article on the Minnesota Twins where there was, you know, the family ended up just selling it, but it's like the great grandfather had passed it down throughout time. And, you know, the great grandkids or grandkids, they don't want to run it or run a team or sports team or whatever, but you just inherited like, you know, a couple of billion. Yeah. For me, it's just like, you know, it's all in, obviously, if they're around it and if they, if this is something they graduate to, like my son, like I want them to, like as much as I love football and I grew up playing football, I don't want him to play golf more than I want him to play football. Absolutely. Me personally, like, I like, that's just something I hope he just graduates to and takes to.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Now, I'm not necessarily saying he does, but just at least give him the tools. So that's why I look at it like in business when they passing it down to the kids and whatever else, it's like, it's not only just that business, this is life. They teaching them life skills. Look, this is how you flip something.
Starting point is 00:27:22 This is how you make X, Y, and Z, or quantify your dollar, 10X your dollar, by doing X, Y, and Z. Regardless if you wanna sell baseball cards, whether you wanna sell seats at Arena, or whatever, you selling wine, whatever it is, but I feel like it's just something that just goes unsold and untold in our culture.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Yeah, cause I was talking to him, having a conversation with Mark Cuban. And he said that's one of the reasons that he sold his team. He's like, you know, my kids, do I want the burden? Do I want to burden them? If they don't want to do this and just fill out an obligation, they got to run a team. That's what I want to do.
Starting point is 00:28:01 I want to own a professional franchise. That's not, maybe that's not what I want to do. I want to own a professional franchise. That's not maybe that's not what they want to do. And I don't want to feel like they're obligated to have to do it. Now, you know, Jerry's kids, that's what they want to do. All of them jump into the family business. And long after Jerry's gone, hopefully that's no time soon. Stephen, Jerry Jr. and Charlotte, they're going to run it. And the grandkids, they're in the business. They're probably gonna run it.
Starting point is 00:28:27 But everybody doesn't look at it like that, Ochoa and Swish, and they're like, you know what? And if you don't have the passion to do it, let it go before it starts to dwindle down and not be what your grandfather or your father, your great-great-grandfather passed down to you, just let it go before it starts to dissipate. Hey, Senko, you gonna let one of the kids
Starting point is 00:28:54 run one of the McDonald's? Yeah, yeah, it depends. You know what, McDonald's might not be their passion. My kids are bougie. My kids are bougie, so I don't think that's something that they would wanna do. It's okay. No, no, no, work it. I'm saying run it. So I don't think that's something that they would wanna do. It's okay. No, no, no, work it.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I'm saying run it. Just manage and make sure they have their money coming in. You had a couple of meetings. They take, just to be honest, they wouldn't even do it. They wouldn't even do it. That's not even a passion of theirs and probably something that they wouldn't even wanna do. Or take the responsibility on.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Yeah. See, that's the thing. It's the responsibility of every single day. You got to, you know, at some point in time, I'm talking to Ash about something. I'm talking to CJ about something. And constantly thinking, OK, how do I get better? OK, what can we do? OK, what graphics can we run? What what segments can we what can't segment? Can we build?
Starting point is 00:29:43 OK, CJ, how do we make club?? Yeah, how do we be cutting edge? You know, a couple of situations where we had a performer, somebody that would come in and sing. And then we have a guest. And so that's we're always we're always thinking about. But like I said, that's not that's not where my kids are. My kids like my kids like. Collect kids like, my kids like collecting a check. They like being talented.
Starting point is 00:30:08 I'm no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people like that. No responsibility. I know I'm going to make X, Y, and Z. And then I'm cool with that. I don't know. I might make something one week. I might make something totally different, but I'm willing to bank on me.
Starting point is 00:30:25 A lot of people are not willing to bank on themselves. Some people will work their ass off to make somebody else rich, but won't work their ass off to make themselves rich. Explain that Ocho. Somebody will go sit their ass on somebody else's job for 20, 30 years and make that person and pay off their Airbnb and their timeshare and help them get a lot and a loss and a private jet. But you won't do that for you.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Yeah, but you have to understand you think about you have to have a fucking passion for whatever it is that you're doing to actually want to run it. The discipline to actually want to run it, the discipline to actually want to take on the responsibilities that come with actually owning something. It ain't easy. It's very hard. You think about all these entrepreneurs, huh? All these entrepreneurs have all these great ideas and they always crash out and burn because they expect instant success. Nothing happens overnight. It's a long, tedious process that many people don't have the discipline for, which is why they go work for somebody else because it's instant check.
Starting point is 00:31:29 But you had the discipline to get your ass up every day for 20 years and 30 years and go on that man job. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 100%. Discipline is discipline. If you got to get up knowing that I got to be on this man, on Mr. Charlie Job at 7.30, 8.30, 9 o'clock,
Starting point is 00:31:46 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you can't do that for you. Yeah, but it's also a fear. It's fear of failure, it's fear of accountability on yourself because at the end of the day, when you like, when you putting, and people don't realize this, like when you trying to make it,
Starting point is 00:32:02 you putting everything into that. Yeah. You got to. You like, and very like when you trying to make it, you putting everything into that. Yeah. You got to. You like in very like, you know, we know as, as athletes, because we put everything into it when we trying to do family go by the side, the clothes, women, like everything dropped, dropped by the wayside. Cause this con this one goal got to be achieved. And a lot of people don't understand that because they didn't, for one, didn't play team sports. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:28 A selfish individual. And just unless I'm like calling for it, it is a lot of negative people out there who negative towards themselves, let alone other people. So they don't have that belief system in themselves that they can even do it, let alone that somebody else who looked like me, who live next door, that can make it. Yeah, because that because a lot of times people will project. Well, if I can't do it, I would tell Ocho, he can't do it. I'm a man, you know, goodwill.
Starting point is 00:32:54 You can't do that. No, you can't do it. Right. Don't don't don't project on me. Tell me what I can't do. And then sometimes when you have started to have success, people sometimes, Ocho Swish, the only success people will taste if they take a bite out of you. Yep.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Man, I had a coach in Denver, I don't wanna cut you off. I had a coach in Denver told me I would never be a championship, I would never start on a championship team. Ain't nobody told you that little bald head George, Carl. I swear. Ain't nobody would never start on a championship team. I'm sitting here like, damn, like, am I that selfish?
Starting point is 00:33:29 Like, am I that, like, damn, is it always all about me? And I'm sitting here like, looking at the team. Did you send him a picture of your ring? Man, I should have sent him two, because I got two of them, dang. So I should have sent him two of them. For real. But let me ask you a question, JR.
Starting point is 00:33:44 When he said that, because think about it, Jayar, you playing for this man, how can I go invest, put everything I got into it, get up in the morning, and deny my family, and be where I'm supposed to be, lift these weights, and here I got a man that I'm supposed to be playing for, and he's telling me what I can't do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Hey, before you answer, Jay, the whole thought process anyway, even once you get to the highest level, you ain't playing for him. No way. No, what, what, what, what is that? What is your code? What if, hold on, Mike Zimmer, what if Mike Zimmer and Marvin Lewis telling you, Oh Joe, we ain't gonna never win with you at start receiver. Hey, but listen, you know what?
Starting point is 00:34:23 I ain't paying that no mind who writing that check? What name is on the back of that jersey? That's not football. Hey how them 50-11 kids finna eat? I'm going to do what I need to do. I am not playing for you. But I'm just saying, my mentality on it might be a little different. Yes, George Carl was his coach, but hell, I'm playing for that goddamn, for one, that money I'm making to keep it coming. Because if I don't play up the par the way I should be playing, I'm going to be out the door anyway. I'm going to want to leave because at the end of the day, you say that I'm not playing,
Starting point is 00:34:59 but that's the head coach. And I am playing for him because he's coach. So I'm going to want to go play. I want to go play for somebody else. OK, I want to I want to go for play for somebody that believe that we can win. And I'm a and I'm an asset to that winning for you to tell me that, look, we're not we're not going to be a championship team because you own it, because you're starting.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Oh, Joe, they're telling you, man, we can't win no championship with you, Joe. Not with your selfish ass Remember remember what to us said how Brian Flores told him yeah, he ain't playing for Brian Flores, but every day you suck I didn't want you Beat you down. Hey, that's like a parent a parent that we've heard stories of Parents tell their kids You never go mountain you saw the movie precious You saw it every day you ain't ish you ain't never be ish you just like this one
Starting point is 00:35:54 You just like your daddy you just like your mama after a while It does have an impact on you. It takes a very, very few people have been able to overcome that. To hear that negativity on a daily basis, on a constant. And like, you know what? I will be able to push through it because. It's just like we said, don't show you got 80,000 fans, only 1000 of them for the opposing team. But you hear those boos, don't you? For sure.
Starting point is 00:36:24 They are thousand boos can drown out of eighty thousand applause. Cherry. I don't know what it is about the negativity that rings so true in our ear and our inner circle. Think about the comments. Oh, Joe, you get fifty thousand comments. If somebody say, oh, peanut head, oh, Joe, your mama peanut head. That's just the way we watch Check this out Pat Bell says JJ Reddick would have been fired if they started 0 and 3
Starting point is 00:36:55 Patrick Beverly said if the Lakers would have started 0 and 3 everybody would have been yelling fire JJ ready now top 4 seed in the West Market market it now I don't in the West market market it now I don't think they fired him out the old three. They're not Come on that thing doing that no No, I didn't get by the fire deal. It's funny cuz they're fire a fucking championship coach You go over three over four for sure. Yeah coach and you go oh three oh four for sure yeah but you just signed not a fine now they go get they go well hey he's time for you what it got Adrian Griffin ass up out of there after 23 and nights after 29 and 13 after 42 games the man 29 and 13 switch yeah that's a different situation though Yonis ain't signed off
Starting point is 00:37:43 on that yeah Yonis Yonis, Yonis had to sign up. You think they let the man go without Yonis? Yeah, they hired him without Yonis' permission. Oh, okay, okay. He wasn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah, Yonis was over there quickly. Nah. And when I think about it,
Starting point is 00:38:02 even if they did start 0 and 3 here, start 0 and 6, hey, I think LeB, even if they did start on three here, start 05, 06, 06. I think LeBron would have to sign off on him letting JJ Reddick go anyway. No, he ain't. JJ Reddick ain't going. I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, what Pat said, man, that that ain't happened regardless. It got to go. It got to go across his desk. That I tell you that I bet you won't make a move without it going across two, three desks. I bet you that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Yeah, it's a, but I liked it. You know what, Swish? And like I said, I saw the first game, who did they play? They played the Suns, the second game, and they fell down by 22. That was a game last year. They down 22. The starters going to be out like midway through the third because they get, it's going to be 42.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Yeah. And I'm not, it just seems like to me, even though they lost tonight, not withstanding, it seems like there's a lot less looking around like who's supposed to be where, who's supposed to be doing what it seems like there's a lot more accountability and maybe, maybe they just need to hear a new voice in their ear, sometimes switch. That's what you need. like there's a lot more accountability and maybe they just need to hear a new voice in their ear. Sometimes, Swish, that's what you need. But it just seems like the atmosphere, the ambiance around this team is different. Do you see that as a former NBA player from
Starting point is 00:39:16 the outside looking in or are we reading too much into it? No, you could definitely tell as a player and as a, I mean, we was, we had the number one team in the East and we fired our head coach and the T-Doo took over and even just the chemistry and like the atmosphere and the vibe just changed. And I love David Black. David Black was amazing to me. Like he, he was one of the few coaches that I had who really gave me an opportunity to go rock. As long as I play defense, he said you shoot any shots you want. You could do whatever crazy play you want or whatever. But as long as you play defense and lock in, you could do whatever. So I rock with Black. But when he left, just because of like the chemistry around the team wasn't where it needed to be. And I give David Griffin a lot of credit for this because he's seen that and he made the change right before like right, it was right after All-Star, I think.
Starting point is 00:40:10 And we was, again, first team in the East. But you can tell when certain things is off and it's literally just that fast. There's a switch like that and the vibration is completely different. Everybody on this, like you're saying, everybody know where they're supposed to be. There's very little confusion.
Starting point is 00:40:28 If something does mess up, you know exactly where it was at. It'd be so crisp to where fans can literally pick it out and they can be right. I've been to a lot of, I've been around a lot of fans and they think they know the game and it'd just be like, nah bro, we was actually in drop coverage and it looked like this, we were stunting. But when you all are on one court and then that one string is out of place, you know exactly where it was at. So even when you watch film, it's just,
Starting point is 00:40:56 it's so easy to where your accountability goes higher as a player because your team, you know, where you're supposed to be at. And for a team like that, especially for the Lakers, because even when I watched the Minnesota game, and I didn't think Minnesota was going to be the same with the trade, but you could see the movement and the cohesiveness of the team. And obviously it's the first game of the season
Starting point is 00:41:20 and it's cutting and everybody got energy, but you can tell a team who has chemistry and it's cutting and every, or everybody got energy, but you can tell a team who has chemistry and it's a team who doesn't like the Knicks. You seen when the Knicks got blown out by Boston, granted Boston is a championship team and they look really good, but the chemistry is just, people are just in the right spots at the right times on key and on point. And it's hard to gain that, but with the Lakers, with a guy who's played, a guy who knows the game, I think JJ is gonna be a good situation.
Starting point is 00:41:51 The only part for me, what I will say, I kinda got pissed at the hiring situation because he's never coached before. And it made Chauncey Billups, who's now a Hall of Famer, go coach for some years before he just gave him a head coaching job. So, but from that standpoint, but obviously I feel like JJ know the game, great basketball pedigree,
Starting point is 00:42:14 but it's just, I think they could be in the run for the West though, honestly. They could be top three teams in the West for sure. I agree, but they're gonna need a consistent look. I already know what I'm gonna get from Braun. I know what I'm gonna get from AD. Who's gonna be our consistent third guy? Is it gonna be Rui?
Starting point is 00:42:32 Is it gonna be AR? Is it gonna be D-Lo? I tend to lean towards AR because I've seen him over the course of last year. He was the most consistent of the three. But when you talk about Rui, D-Lo and AR, who you like, who you think is the best third option? I think honestly, I think Rui is the best third option.
Starting point is 00:42:51 But when you look at, for me, when I look at third option, I don't necessarily look at third option as necessarily a score. I think that a lot of times, even in our rotations, like double T was easily the fourth, I was the fifth option. Double T was the fourth option. I hit him on rows, lobs, and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:43:10 So for me, on top of that, what he brought on a defensive side. So for me, I think Roy could be that glue guy, like a LO was for, you know, the past Lakers, to where he can guard multiple positions. It's almost like a plus-minus game He's gonna have to me. He'll had a higher plus minus than the majority of the dudes because when he's out there He's covering so much space. Okay So you don't look at a guy that necessary to say okay the third option he needs to be a score
Starting point is 00:43:41 Yeah, the problem the third guy needs to be able to do a lot of different things. Score, rebound, assist, defend. You gotta be a Swiss Army knife. That's what I feel like a lot of the teams are missing because when you necessarily go to like a quote unquote third option has to be like a six man like a me, Lou Will, Jamal Crawford. Teams playing around that. But when you are 6'8", 6'7", that. But when you, when you were six, eight, six, seven, can start the offense, can drop, make passes, hit an open shot, get stops, you know, dive on the loose ball, get a couple extra possessions out of there, offensive rebound here or there, that changes the game more than anything. Switch when you when you when you first got to Cleveland, what was your what were your initial thoughts? Obviously, you knew LeBron, you had played against LeBron before you knew
Starting point is 00:44:33 what he was. So how did you how did you find a way to fit in immediately? Did he say, hey, hey, I will hit you. You know, did you talk about, I like to pass here. I like the ball there, X, Y, and Z. So how did y'all get that thing together? Because that was a mid-season trade that you guys took off. Yeah, it was crazy because we got traded. We was in Memphis, me and Shump. I remember like Shump was in the locker room.
Starting point is 00:45:00 This was the first time he got traded and he was kind of like distraught. And at first, like it kind of, I'm not gonna lie, it messed me up because Mello's my dude. Like that's my guy. And when initially it happened, I'm like, damn bro, like, you know, I holla at you like that type of vibes. But then I started thinking about it
Starting point is 00:45:22 and I started walking out to the arena and I was pissed like, damn, my family was, you know, from Jersey, everybody with the Knicks and I started looking at them like, damn, we just went to Cleveland. I started thinking like Kyrie, Bron, Kev. Shit, we about to win a chip. Yeah, look, I swear, I swear to the hand to the mail off of mine. I was sitting in a hotel lobby, right?
Starting point is 00:45:48 It was like the Hilton right there, right across the street from the arena. I'm sitting in a hotel lobby drinking. We had a private flight to go to Cleveland the next day. I'm sitting there with Shump and Shump was over there like, damn Joe, he got that Chicago talk. Damn Joe, they don't believe in us Joe. They don't believe in us. I said, Shump man, listen, I don't know what you talking about, bro, but pipe that Chicago talk. Damn, Joe, they don't believe in this Joe. They don't believe in this.
Starting point is 00:46:05 I said, man, listen, I don't know what you talking about, bro, but pipe that shit down. We gotta go win the chip. Straight up. He looked at me like, man, what you saying Shorty? I said, bro, we about to go win the chip. Just relax, just be cool and just let it happen. Man, we get there, First game we play, we play in Cleveland. The next game
Starting point is 00:46:28 we put, we go on the road. We play like go to state Sacramento or whatever. And Bron comes back like the third game. The first couple of games, well, him and Kai wasn't back. I wasn't back yet when we first get there, but like the fourth, fifth game they get back. We on the road, one night we out drinking and shit and Shub just grabbed me by my shoulder like, bro, you was right. We doing this, we doing that. I'm telling you, we outta here baby. We went from the last place to first place, man.
Starting point is 00:46:57 You tripping. You get your act together, bro, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
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Starting point is 00:47:23 Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. immortalized with statues, LeBron, Steph, and KD. When you saw D-Way's statue, Swish, what was the first thing that went through your mind? Who signed off? Who signed off on this? Like for real, man, because we've been seeing Ronaldo, we've been seeing some of these different statues, and like, I'm gonna, at this point, I want to know who's signing off on this. I don't even disrespect the Cove joint, but Cove don't even look like Cove to me.
Starting point is 00:47:50 I'm sitting here looking at these joints like, man, who's doing these? But I mean, it's a tremendous honor. It'd be interesting to see where they put KDs at, but yeah, I don't think it look like it. Well, he can't be anywhere but a Golden State or OKC. OKC ain't doing it. No, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:48:13 So it's gotta be Golden State. Yeah. I don't see it though. Well damn, where they gonna put a statue at? I don't think he gets one though, to be honest with you. No disrespect to him, cause he's a hell of a player, but like you got to look like in the same thing that goes for Mello, like you look at it like he played,
Starting point is 00:48:31 what he's going to say four years. Yes. How many years has he been in the league? No, he's in the three years. He won the championship twice and then he tore the key leaves and he left. Three years. How many years has he been in the league?
Starting point is 00:48:44 This was 16, 17? 18. 18 years. Like 18. How could he get a statue in three years? They better put a Scottie Pippen statue out there in Chicago. I know that, if they gonna do that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, matter of fact, speaking of Scottie Pippen,
Starting point is 00:48:59 I'm glad you mentioned that. I mean, he's not underrated, but I'm thinking, you know, I wanna ask you, who are some underrated players that you think don't get the credit they deserve, but should actually have a statue based on their contribution? Brandon Roy, for sure.
Starting point is 00:49:18 I think T-Mac and Houston. Oh, T-Mac, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. For sure, Mac gotta have one, dog. AI, that's a good one. That's a good one. Mac got to have one. A.I. or A.I. got one. Well, you're just going to have one in Milwaukee. Yeah, he for sure.
Starting point is 00:49:33 Well, if he got one, then they need to put one for my man, Kareem, too. What? Yeah. I mean. But Kareem may underrated, though. He not underrated, but but he should have a statue. He got three MVPs with the two finals and one finals MVP. I mean, he's the most winningest player of all time. Yeah, ain't nobody close to that.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Ain't nobody gonna ever do what he did. Lost two games in high school, one game in college. I mean, ain't nobody would've liked that no more. Win the 10 NBA finals, six MVPs, six chips. Nobody win it like Kareem. I would like to see a PE statue in New York, honestly. Patrick Young. You think? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Big Pat. Oh, by the way, if we're going to say my bad, my business is totally disrespectful and I'm so sorry. I take my hat off. If we're gonna give him a TMac one, we gotta give a King one. Oh yeah, Elijah one, gotta give a statue. If you're gonna give one to Houston, oh hell yeah. And the H2, my bad, my bad, that was on me.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Timmy D gotta have one. Oh yeah, well absolutely. Wait, who? Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan. Oh, oh okay, okay, yeah. Tim Duncan, KG, that's Givens. I think Chauncey gets one and Detroit. What you put in KG's at?
Starting point is 00:50:57 In Minnesota? Minnesota for sure. I don't consider, I mean, he won a championship in Boston. I don't consider KG a Celtic. Yeah. I have no disrespect. I don't consider him a Celtic. I played against the Minnesota ticket.
Starting point is 00:51:13 That was in 2004. Oh my God. I've never been intimidated of another man on the court until I played against him, bro. I was just literally like, yo, is he always like this? Is he really? And I had a teammate, Lee Nailon, man. My man Lee is real deal. He's like, man, that's fake, man.
Starting point is 00:51:37 He ain't know nothing of that. And I literally like see him get into it. And did I see how Lee did it? I was like, okay, okay, okay. I see what's going on. Okay, I see. You had me though. You had me fooled.
Starting point is 00:51:51 You had me fooled for sure. I was buying the wolf tickets for sure. Yeah, but y'all, I mean, now you can't fight like this. You used to fight in the NBA before you got this wish. Back in the 80s. No, when I was there they fought, man. Rodney Rogers swung on me a couple times in practice, bro. I was dodging them, it was just like a matrix.
Starting point is 00:52:10 No, I'm talking about in the game. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they don't fight in practice no more like they used to, Swish? What, no. No way. No way. They not fighting like, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Bro, no lie, when I came in training camp, my rookie year, I seen like four fights the first week. And I was just like, these grown men, I'm 18. 34, 35, 36 years old throwing haymakers, like real live throwing them. I'm sitting there like, what the fuck is going on? Game over by, either it was either by money or women. real live throwing them. I'm sitting there like, what the fuck is going on? Damn, what is about, either it was either about money or women. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is,
Starting point is 00:52:50 no, this is planned. Planned to put- Oh, and in practice? In practice, this is, this is practice. Well damn, is that physical? Oh yeah, for sure. Especially, I mean, I say, I say that because, I mean, I say it and I sound like one of them hating ass dudes,
Starting point is 00:53:06 but like in 04, 06, 07, like, bro, do you, like this is like back in the day where like niggas was really knocking your shoulder off. Like forearm shiver, you walk across that lane. Like I played against Oak. Like you run across the lane when you just like, on some lollygag and cutting through, you get your teeth knocked out.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Like, oh no, I'm just. But Oak was like that for real though, Swish. Oak was like that for real though. No, he's to this day, not was, to this day. Yeah. I know Oak 30 years. Oak and I used to hang. So I know Oak, he bought that.
Starting point is 00:53:40 For real right now. I was in the Bahamas with Oak right now. I'm like, man, chill. Like, bro, like. He killed a little bit. I tried to, and look, oh, come on now. You and I both, we done got old now. Hey, look here.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Somebody had their way with us now. I mean, Oak, they should have got us when we were back 20 years ago, then we could have held our own and get two or three of them, but now. Man, shit, I'm taking y'all two in there. It gets three, four, hey. All he needed was you and the guard, I'm telling you. Y'all would have cleared the house.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Yeah, I wouldn't let him jam a boy up like that, now. Come on, now. You say ask him to leave, y'all ain't gotta have like six or seven of them. Yeah, you ain't gotta grab my man up there like that, man. You know you don't like people touching him, come on. No, hell no. And don't walk up behind him because he gonna swing on me.
Starting point is 00:54:30 No, for real. I'm surprised he didn't swing on him but if he hadn't been in the garden, he would have. No, 100%, 100%. Joe Missoula made an appearance on a Boston radio and was asked what he would change about the NBA. Missoula elaborated on why the NBA should institute
Starting point is 00:54:45 power plays after fouls, forcing the offending team to play a man down for the length of the time as in hockey. Or he also wants to bring back fighting. The biggest thing that we rob people of is entertainment standpoint, is that you can't fight anymore. I wish we'd bring back fighting.
Starting point is 00:55:01 What's a little entertaining? What's more entertaining than a little scuffle? How come in baseball they're allowed to clear the benches? How come in hockey they're allowed to fight? I don't understand. I just don't get why some sports are allowed to clear the benches, have bats and weapons in their baseballs, but we don't have a ball.
Starting point is 00:55:17 The other sport, hockey, is one of the hardest playing surfaces to put in the stick, and you know, yet you're not allowed to throw down throw down a little bit Come on, Joe. I like you don't like it. I like it. Yeah, because he'll coach make basketball make basketball great again You know, nah, I want to see the coaches and you listen you think twice before you coming through the lane trying to be all pretty No, I make it like you know what a like in hockey, like the goalies go bump. Okay, coaches, y'all got the bump too. Let's see how he like that.
Starting point is 00:55:50 See if he like fighting. Let's see if he really like the bump. Yeah, oh, for sure. I wanna see it. That's my only thing, man. You talking about it, you better be about that action. Baby, somebody over there get lumped up and you start playing over there, sitting over there with a swung line, he can't play the second half.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Until somebody put a patch over Jason Taylor by Jalen Brown, I just say close for the weekend and now you talking about what you see what happened, what happened? You say you wanted to see fighting. Yeah. Yeah. As long as it's the 12th or 13th guy getting lumped out. What if it's one of your first five? Right. What if I put it in one of one of those headers who just that's what his plan is.
Starting point is 00:56:31 Yeah. Yeah, he got a big perk out there. Set one of the wicked screens and try run up on it. What you gonna do? Because you know in hockey they had enforcers all they they do is, they looking for some stuff to pop off. You set the tone. You hit Messi or you hit Gretzky or you hit Lemieux or you had to deal with the enforcer.
Starting point is 00:56:56 Yeah. So imagine somebody roughhoused, but see, I'm trying to think out, you got somebody because somebody cheat shot a LeBron and you could. Oh man. Who'd you catch with? Hold on, I'm trying to think out. You got somebody, because somebody cheated shot of LeBron. And you could, you could. Who you catched with? I mean, you got it good too. I mean, A.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Crowder, J. Yeah. Yeah, that's my dog too. Oh yeah, you got suspended though for that though. Yeah, I got suspended for a few of them. I don't like that shit dog, like for real. Especially if you roll on my team, that's probably my biggest fault.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Like I'm loyal to the fuck. Because regardless if you would do it for me, that's just the way I move. If I'm with you and some shit go down, I'm riding with you all the way. You cheap shot my man, I'm not going to cheap shot you. I'm going to get you while you looking. And then if you want to do something after that,
Starting point is 00:57:47 then we can do that too. But all that, you're not getting over on nobody I'm with. I'm not with that. I'm CJR, that's how I'm the same way. Oh, you cheap shot my quarterback or I see, hey man, such and such, who? Yeah. Okay, don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:58:03 We gonna get him. We might not get him. We might not get him now, but we're gonna get him later. We're gonna get him. And I'm gonna make it look like a play. See, I ain't gonna look like a play. Come on, no, no, no, no, no. You ain't have no problem, cheap shot. My guy, now you got a problem?
Starting point is 00:58:21 No, you're not finna get my guy. In fact, you gonna walk your ass up outta here just free. Oh no. So you got to get your- I wanna make it blatant. I wanna make it look disrespectful, cause it is, right? I want you to jump back,
Starting point is 00:58:35 because that's what it's on. If you not on that, then don't start that. I ain't trying to give up no money now. Yeah, I mean, I feel you. I lost a lot of bread. I ain't gonna lie. I gotta make it look like a, I gotta make it look like a, what you call it? I gotta make it look like a plate. You gonna lie? I lost a lot of bread. I ain't gonna lie. I gotta make it look like a, I gotta make it look like a, what you call it?
Starting point is 00:58:45 I gotta make it look like a play. You gonna lie, I lost a lot of bread. Get suspended on these dudes, man. Jason Terry, Jay, I got a couple of them. But it was worth, a few of them was worth it though. I ain't gonna lie. Like again, if you playing dirty, then that's the type of game you played
Starting point is 00:59:02 and that's what you're gonna get. Yeah. G.G. Jackson say players around the league have told him to stop meat-riding after he claimed Victor Wimby Nyama will end up as the GOAT. I'm looking 10, 12 years from now when he's got an extra 30 pounds and a nice goatee with a Mustang. I think Wimby will be the GOAT. What? Extra 30 pounds? He can't put no 30 pounds on that frame. I think he's going to be good. He's going to be very, very good at what he does. I mean, but he's not going to be LeBron.
Starting point is 00:59:34 He's not going to be Michael Jordan. You know, he's going to be up there, you know, in the top tier, but not the elite of the elite. What you think, Swish? You like what you see? I mean, a seven foot four guy, seven, four and a half, however tall he is. I mean, he's way he's towering over Rudy Gobert. And they say Rudy Gobert is seven one. So he's at least seven, three and a half, seven four. I'm going to say seven four. He may only might be seven five.
Starting point is 00:59:59 But we've never seen a guy his height be this athletic. Normally, they're cumbersome guys. We see Manu Bowe his height be this athletic. Normally they're cumbersome guys. We see Manu Bowe, we see Morison, we see Bradley. But normally guys that height, they can't move like him. We see, what's the guy? Bo Bo. Bo Bo can move pretty good.
Starting point is 01:00:21 What's the other guy? Bo Bon. We see Bo Bon. We see how cumbersome he moves. But Wimby is fluid for a man his size. He's athletic. He's ranging, go up and down the court. Now, Manu Bowe can shoot three. But his ability to put the ball on the floor. We've never seen a man that size be able to put the ball on the floor
Starting point is 01:00:43 and be able to do what he can do. Yeah, like I'm I like watching them play. on the floor, we've never seen a man that size be able to put the ball on the floor and be able to do what he can do. Yeah, I like watching him play, honestly. I'm happy he actually got a point guard like C.P. to actually teach him how to be in certain areas and certain positions at the right time because he has a game to where very easily, he could, I think think especially in today's game
Starting point is 01:01:08 35 to 38 a game is very obtainable for him Hold on average 35 30 35 to 38 points. Yeah He's very I mean he has the fluid he has the fluidity offensively So to even in double teams, like he could literally shoot over Rudy Gilbert, which is one of the tallest players in the league and another dude coming over to double, if he can get his game to be somewhere to be as efficient as a KD smaller level, let's say check, he could be, he could be very, very dangerous, very dangerous. And he's like, he has a demeanor almost like a Yannis
Starting point is 01:01:54 where he wants it. He wants, you can see he wants to get better. He consistently, you know what I'm saying? I agree. I mean, I like the young man. He'll block shot. And I think the thing is the biggest thing for if you're a shop locker, you can't be afraid to get dunked on because if you're afraid to get dunked on,
Starting point is 01:02:09 you can't be a great shop locker. Yeah, this is going to happen. I don't care. All the great shop lockers. You look at all the great shop locker from Will Russell, Hakeem, Artis Gilmore, Marvin Webster. You look at any great shop locker. Everybody got poked on. Oh blocker. Everybody got it. He done got poked on.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Oh hell yeah. Everybody got it. Yes. As the channel used to tell me, he's like, hey man, they may get me, but I bet you I can get them more than they get me. Right. Yo, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:02:37 It's just like a DB. Somebody gonna get you, get a touchdown on you. Somebody, sometimes even a routine guy is gonna make an acrobatic catch. You're like, hold on bro, I just saw you shut down Megatron, how you let this dude get one on you? Oh, they get you, oh, they gonna catch you? Dekembe, rest in soul, Dekembe, think about how many times you done see Dekembe on somebody highlight reel.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Man, hey, but grab him, he's defensive player, he caught you with the elbow? He just split my shit, man. How's the stitches they gave? I went to the back, I don't like needles, man. They gave me a needle about this long in my eye, dog, like right under my eye socket. Man, I thought I was about to die.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Yeah, them sharp ass elbows, the kid had them sharp elbows. LeBron said he broke LeBron's nose. Yeah, he caught a lot of people though. Yeah. Straight up. And I don't want you to think it wasn't intentional either. I love Guy R霸s and Soul as my man.
Starting point is 01:03:36 He tell you like, no, no, you get in my way. I get it. Yo, bruh was crazy. The Volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, Yo, bruh was crazy. teams, our states, and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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