Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron's comeback lifts Lakers + Scottie Pippen flip flops

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to LeBron's dominant 4th quarter giving the Lakers a win over the Clippers & Scottie Pippen switching sides on the GOAT debate. 0:00 Introduction03:45 Lakers overcome 21 point deficit to defeat Clippers 116-11213:50 Unc says Kendrick Perkins needs to stop the LeBron hate23:00 Unc says people shouldn’t expect LeBron to play back-to-backs - Gil says players today learned from players mistakes in the 2000s29:20 Scottie Pippen is back on MJ being the GOAT - Unc asking what he’s selling since he can’t make up his mind37:00 “Players then are resentful of the money and power of players today”44:00 The evolution of today’s youth and why kids today are ahead of their parents52:00 Haslem says LeBron can’t be his GOAT since they played around the same time - “Players always go back a generation before them” - Unc #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite, oh, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number zero, agent zero, wildcat legend, Arizona wildcat legend, that is, and wizard legend. Warriors, not so much.

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Also, we would like for you to subscribe to Gil's Arena channel on YouTube. He has a show that airs Monday through Thursday live at 1130 a.m. Pacific. Please make sure you like and subscribe to Gil's Arena channel on YouTube. Also, like and subscribe to his personal YouTube page. That's No Chill Gil. We got to get Gil's subs up. We got to get him to a million so he can get one of these gold plaques. Gil, I know that I think you were there until halftime of the game, the Lakers game,

down by as many as 21 points. They come back and beat the Clippers 116, was it 114 to 112? No, 116 to 112. We got a late dunk by Cam Reddish. 21 points. The Lakers scored 39 points in the fourth quarter. 21 from Go James.

He single-handedly outscored the Clippers by himself. The Clippers scored 16 in the fourth. James scored 19 in the fourth. Anthony Davis chipped in with 20 points, 12 rebounds, three blocks. D'Angelo Russell, D'Lo,

he had a big three late in the ball game to put them up six. And he finished with 18.6 assists. We're going to start with, no. Okay. Let's go ahead and start with this game gill you saw the game you was there the lakers seemed like they were just going through the motion they were not rebounding they were not playing any defense and all they did was turn the ball over in the first half yeah it just seems like you know with this group they still don't have their their stuff together and it's weird because it's

like, you know, we've been together a few months. It's after All-Star break. We should be clockwork. And it still seems like they have no idea where each other should be, what each other wants to do. And it's weird because you watch the Clippers,

and they look like they're in motion. I mean, they had some points in the first half. That's how we should be right now. The fact that we're still in this I might be traded phase, it's sad to see, but we got the win, so that's all that matters.

Yeah, man. Rui has been played well since he's been inserted into the starting lineup. He gave him big minutes tonight. Huge buckets. Anthony Davis is doing what Anthony Davis does. Challenging everything at the rim. Giving you double-digit rebounds

on a nightly basis. Only had 20 points, but he only had 15 shot attempts. D'Lo has been playing unbelievable. Alston Reeves has been Alston Reeves. Ste steady, steady, steady. We didn't get great production off the bench, but we got enough because you needed

something. Norman Powell had 14 for the Clippers off the bench. Russ had 18 and Mason Plumlee had 18. P.J. Tucker got some great cardio in tonight. He was a zero across the board with the exception of two rebounds. So you got 30 points off. You got 30 points off the Clippers, bitch.

And the Lakers had they only got 14, but they really needed Cam Reddish play some really solid defense. But the story of the night was LeBron. And we've been waiting for him to have one of these virtuosos where we know he can take the game over because if you followed him at any point in time through his illustrious 21-year career, you know he still has these in him. And I know they don't come with the regularity that they did early in his career, say the first 10 years or maybe year 11 through 16, but he has it in him. And when they needed it tonight, he got it going in the fourth quarter, Gil. What did you see, and how was he able to get it going?

I didn't see shit. I was on the freeway driving here. I got to watch the replay. But that's what makes greats great, right? When you really need to turn it on and you they you really need them to perform at a high level they can tap into it no matter how old they are when we needed Dwight Howard in that um in that bubble against Denver his greatness defensively showed right you know when you're talking about towards the end of the season going into the playoffs, the greats don't need to be great

every single time, especially at his age. He just needs to be great when we needed him to, and tonight it seems like that's what he did while my ass was on the freeway. You know, and you're right, Gil, what the greats can do, although they can't summons it up

with the regularity they once could when they were younger. Pause, I know everybody's going to say, what you mean summons it up with the regularity they once could when they were younger. Pause. I know everybody's going to say, what do you mean summons it up? They still can do it. And that's what you have to be careful of because we saw Kobe, even though he shot the ball as many times as he did, given his final game, he got to 60.

That lets you know he still had it in there, and he could still reach down into that reserve and pull it out. I don't know if we, it's been a while since we've seen LeBron James shoot the ball this well, not only from two-point range, but from three-point range. And it was the three-point range that once he saw

the first one go in, it's like all of a sudden he's like, man, and then when you knew something was going on, when he came down on the corner on the side and pulled up in front of the Clippers bench in front of Norman Powell, I said, oh boy, y'all got hell on your hand now. Because the one thing you don't want to see a player like him, the greats could all do it. Kobe, the Jordans, the LeBrons, the KDs, the Steph Currys, those guys see a couple go in and they smell the blood in the water. They can see the blood in the warm water. And all of a sudden it's a frenzy and everything they put up seemingly is finding home. Yeah, that's the NBA motto. I don't know

if it's like that in football, but for the most part, once we see a few go down, that oven's hot. Yes. Right? Hence why when a player is trying to get warm and a whistle blew and he shoots it and someone goes up and blocks it, the reason they block it is because they don't want that player to see the ball go in. I don't want you to let it go in. Uh-uh. I don't want you to see it go in. All you need is the visual.

Boom. Okay, bucket. Let's go. Let's get heated. You can go 0 for 10, and that shot after goes in. Now you 10 for 10. So when a player is having a rough time, you want to keep him from scoring any kind of basket. So what LeBron seemed to do tonight is like anybody.

When you see the ball is finding its way in that rim, anything you throw up has a magical way of going in. I'm just trying to figure out how this man drives the ball as much as he does and he shoots one free throw tonight. And I know it's year 21 and he doesn't drive with the

veracity or the ferocity that he once did, but he still puts the ball on the floor and drives the ball to the basket. And the calls that they give James Harden or the calls that they give some of these, I mean, and plus Lord, don't even look at Joel and B they go call a foul.

When you look at Joel and B he's shooting 20 a night. LeBron shot one free throw tonight. One. Okay. We have this, this, this, Look at Joel Embiid. He's shooting 20 a night. LeBron shot one free throw tonight. One. Okay, we have this, it's backwards thinking. You don't want to be strong in the NBA. No. You can penalize for it.

Yes. Shaq. You know, Shaq, LeBron, even Giannis. Evennis even your right the guys who can take the hit they expect you to take the hit so when he goes to the lane he's not allowed to we know you're supposed to finish that right he has to be cry baby James to get the foul. So now it's the over-exaggerate hits. Joel Embiid. Now he has to flop to sell the hit. Because if he goes in there and he runs through somebody and he gets hit and he dunks it, they're not calling that.

Right. So he has to scream, oh, ow, oh, oh, oh, and do all that extra. And one. You're flopping. Look at him flopping. But that's the way the game is, right? If I go to the lane, if I go to the lane and I get touched, foul. There we go.

You know, that's why these younger, smaller guards, skinnier guards, getting more foul than the stronger guys who drive all day. Yeah, because the thing is is but i'm not sure that's what that's what dr nate smith intended that if you're big and you're strong yeah ref do you don't call a foul i mean a foul is a foul whether you're shack size 7-1-3-25-3-40 or you're uh uh dearon fox and the thing was but tonight they they really he didn't really didn't need to drive the ball because he saw the ball go in and he's 7 to 12 from the three-point line he's 13 to 21

i mean he shoot i think he's shooting like 40 from the three no no he's 21 but he's but he's never been a bad three-point shooter that is just about his first year she was shooting about 35 from the three point right fine right just like like um like zoe right uh lonzo ball yes was a bad on the dribble shooter very great spot of shooter look at the totality of his oh he can't shoot no no no he can shoot if he's wide open like you have a shot he can he can wind shoot. No, no, no. He can shoot if he's wide open. Like, you have him at shot, he can wind it up. Very great shooter. When he's dribbling and doing a little step back extra. Yeah, that's not his game.

He's not Dame. He's not Steph Curry. He's not going to be able to gather like that and let it go and make it with consistency. He might hit one or two, but he's not. I'll hit Perk. Man, ain't nobody trying to hear that, Shannon Sharp. Just get ready to pay your bet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to need that. You wanted to not. Perk, man, ain't nobody trying to hear that. Just get ready to pay your bet. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to need that.

You wanted to bet. Oh, Perk. Hey, Sinead. Hey, Sinead. You got my money. That's what I'll let you know. You and Stephen A and Perk, y'all have so much to say. Oh, the Clippers going to blow the doles off them. Oh, yeah.

Man, what's wrong with them? Oh, Pert? I don't know what happened to Pert. He stayed out in Beaumont all the time now, and he's dragging that water, that nasty water down in Beaumont and Galveston, and he just done forgot about Go James.

I don't know. I mean, we only had one interaction, but it's not going to last go much longer, Shanae, if you keep talking crazy aboutinead. I mean, Sinead, I mean, we only had one interaction. But it's not going to last, go much longer, Sinead, if you keep talking crazy about Go James. And Stephen A., I told you. Hey, when you bought, them Bostons, they got that deer down hate for LeBron James.

You can't shake that. I mean, come on, Park. I mean, I know he gave it to you when you was in Boston. He gave it to you, went to OK Boston. He gave it to you, went to OKC. He gave it to you again. I mean, what the hell? That's been like a decade ago. Let it go.

Even the Hatfields and the McCoys have made a million. They ain't fighting no more. But that was as good. That's LeBron. That is LeBron James and that's what makes him great is LeBron James and that's what makes him great is to be able to summons it up

in the fourth quarter when you and that's the thing Gil with a team or a player it doesn't matter if you have 50

can you give me 10 can you give me 12 in the fourth when you absolutely have to have it? And I'm glad they were able to finish this off because you know what they're going to say. Yeah, he did that. They were down.

But now they came all the way back and we saw big buckets. We saw Anthony Davis chip in. We see Rui chip in. We see D'Lo chip in. We see guys making plays. But LeBron, I mean, I did not see this. I was like, bro, I need you to be more aggressive. Because he shot

a high percentage. He just didn't have a whole bunch of shots. I still got that memory of that first half. And trust me, I was ready to leave. I was ready to leave at halftime. I'm not even going to lie to you.

Yeah. This is what I came to see. Now I got to hear all these Clipper fans. Yeah. Hey, but they ain't got no Clipper Darryl. Nah, you ain't celebrating. Marcellus Wiley, you ain't got nothing to celebrate. I don't want to hear nothing about Paul George.

Because y'all know every year at some point in time, he might miss the entire playoffs. So will Kawhi. So this notion about oh, if we'd have had them, go back and check the history since they've been there. How many times in meaningful games have you had them or both of them? You know what's happening. You know what it

is. Go James, 21 years. I think he's going to play. You know, look, they talk about he wants a three-year deal whatever what he's whatever he's asking for you can't pay him enough because who else you're gonna replace who you're gonna put in that jersey obviously you're not who wants to wear 23 after he's worn it and they've retired six around the league who wants to wear 23 after he done wore it?

Even if you could wear 32, or you could wear 34, or you could wear eight or 24 or 33, why would you want to? Why would you want to wear 13, a chamberless number? Wow, what? Hey, listen, listen. I'm just going from my little birdies, my little birdies that's flying out there.

They're not too happy that he won't come back two more years. Of course. It's a lot of money. What is it going to be what? Three years, like one 80, one,

one 51 80, because if he's making, if he's making next year, uh, he has a player option. It's about 51 and a half, 51, nine 52 million. So if he opts out,

obviously he's looking to get a raise. Yeah. So you do a two-year deal plus a player option. Well, at 65, 66 million, at 42, at 41, 42 years of age, you know damn well he picking that up.

Where are you going to go make $65 million at 42 years of age? At 42 years of age. Right now, you know, his greatness basically has Lakers handicap. Yes, I'm sorry. Right? And it's one of those things is you're in the bind.

You can't trade him. You look dumb, right? All hell breaks loose if you trade him. And so it's one of those things. You would just rather him retire and just let him come off the books. Let him finish his way. The longer he stays there,

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season. And he's still, and he's still giving you at no point in time, He's outscored every other player combined that's played in their 21st season. And he's still giving you at no point in time did any of the greats play in year 21. There went on a handful. I mean, obviously, they're in the Hall of Fame. Robert Patrick's in the Hall of Fame. Dirk's in the Hall of Fame. I'm trying to think of who else played.

I think Kevin Willis played 21 years. Kevin's not in the Hall. Vince Carter has the potential to be in the hall. But at no point in time could they give you this, what he gave you tonight. At no point in time were they – he's averaging 25, 7 and 8. Yeah, it's – So it's hard, Gil. Yeah, it's going to be hard. But, you know, what he's doing now now that's where the future is going he's given the blueprint

to to last this long right um i don't know if you know this but i remember when it came in and kenyan martin reminded me today back around 2007 do you know we had outside companies coming in, testing our energy levels. I don't know if you guys did that in the NFL. Testing our energy levels to see how much production we're pushing out and how fast we're recovering. And this goes to the load management. I don't think the media knows that for a long time, players wore chips. You know how you wore the little things? They did that at FLL.

Yes, they did that at FLL. They have it in their shoulder pads now. Okay, so they determine how long players are going to practice due to what the output is pushing out. Right. So once you hit a threshold of what they expect from your body, you're done. Right?

So let's say somebody like Westbrook and Giannis, they're looking at, okay, his body tempers are going to hit a lot higher than someone else's because of the way they move. Yeah. Yeah. Players is getting load management in practice.

Wow. So back then, there was a time time i know it's like right after because when i got to orlando it was the first time that i was getting blood tested right they can tell me exactly what i supposed to eat yes yes sugar a little bit of fish a little bit yeah in a few months we got blood tested regulated so we know what we're supposed to actually put in our body right so talk about the load management and lasting it's all the machine now right so it has nothing to do with the players like even in practice players 20 minutes in a practice like yeah you got to get off the court yeah you're done he's like well no no no now when you're trying to now think about it when you're trying to break uh a starting lineup or get some minutes

you do it in practice and they're like nah nah nah nah your 20 minutes is up sit down right so seeing LeBron today we will see the future playing 20 something years at this high level. Wow. I mean, that's unbelievable. Well, yeah, considering a lot of the physicality that used to be in the NBA is no longer there. It's kind of like the NFL. You're going to see players play a lot longer, especially the quarterback position. You're going to see these quarterbacks.

Now, I'm not saying they're going to be Tom Brady, but you're going to see a lot more guys get into their upper teams because of the the physicality the punishment that you used to uh put on the quarterback landing on top of them driving him into the ground hitting them uh uh spearing them with the helmet even the hitting after they released the ball they take they've taken that out of the ball game. And even some of the other players, the defensive receiver, you can't punish the intimidation factor

is that they've tried to penalize it out, find it out of the ball game. But for LeBron James to be playing at this level, and it's not like, you know, like Kareem. Kareem with Mosey on down, he's a B. You know, he get down. Hey, he get the rebound, passing the magic. Either they got the break or they pull out.

Okay, well, we got to wait for Cap to come on down. All right, Cap, what block you going on? Okay. Hey, you go to one side or the other. You throw it to the hand. He turn around, throw the sky hook. LeBron James is playing 37. He played 37 minutes tonight, and he's pushing.

He's getting up and down. He's still chasing down. He's still playing at a high level. Now, obviously, the back-to-backs, he's not going to play the front end of a back-to-back or the back end of a back-to-back, and we understand that nobody should

expect LeBron James to play in year 21 to play a back-to-back. No, I mean, listen, expect LeBron James to play in year 21 to play a back-to-back? No. I mean, listen. We talk about the 90s, right? They had a lifestyle, right? Back then, they were little partiers, little drinkers,

right? You know, Dennis Rock, we're going far. There's no more those type of guys in the nba now yeah um in the early 2000s same thing big change this and this right the hangout all the time did these guys now get to look at where everyone failed and say all okay, he started his diet at 38 or 37 or 34. I'm going to start it at 25. Correct. I'm going to start my diet at 25.

I'm going to start going to bed here. So the guys now looked at where everyone fell and said, okay, you took yoga here, Kareem? Okay, I'm going to start taking yoga too. I'm going to start taking the Pilates too. Kareem, okay, I'm going to start taking yoga too. I'm going to start taking the Pilates too. So these guys are keeping their bodies a little bit longer because they're paying attention to greatness and what made greatness great.

And the thing is, Gil, guys are looking now, theoretically, Jason Tatum can theoretically make a billion dollars in his career. Guys, it's not going to be absurd to believe that a guy that's like a Jason Tatum or Luka or Ant-Man that in 15 years could have made a billion dollar but Jason Tatum is gonna get a contract down there

400 million and he's what 25 26 years of age so he plays that so now he goes and gets another one at 30 31 another 400 million. So now in 15 years, he's made 800, $900 million. So guys are looking like, hold on. I understand. Yeah. I got business ventures that could, that's going to set me up, but I can still play. I can play this game that I love, take care of my body and still grow this portfolio,

make a billion dollars, do another three, 400 million off the court. I think guys are looking. And like you said, they see a wise man love learn from others. Mistakes. A fool will learn from his own.

The wise men, like you said, are looking man. LeBron James had Mike Macias at year one or two. He was having a personal shelf at this and this. And he had this and this. Okay, so that's what it's going to take? Maybe I don't, everybody is not going to get a billion dollar shoe deal.

Everybody's not going to have a signature, a PE, a shoe. have a signature PE shoot. But three, four, five hundred million dollar contracts. Look at Yoke. What's Yoke going to get in the next two years? He's going to get five hundred million.

Yeah, you see, like, the guy like somebody like Yoke, he's talking about five years, he'd be, what, 34, so he's not that guy. You're talking about the Ant-Man the Ant-Man Lucas yeah those are the guys like

that's going to be touching the billions the billions because you know they got the style of play yes they have the game of play. Yes.

They have the game, the marketing, right? And they're here at the right time. Yes. Because LeBron, just thinking LeBron had came in in 2010, and he played 21 years. He's going to make $2 billion. He's going to make $2 billion. Because look at the numbers. So his first max contract, you know,

I remember when Mike Conley got a contract, he was like $130 million. Like, oh my gosh. Now you get a $130 million contract. That's in two years. It ain't no five-year deal. It's a two-year deal. My first deal was six years, $64 million.

Right? As a second round player. Okay. When I signed my deal. Kobe Bryant and the Max players was $79 million. They were seven years, $79 million. Six years. They were seven years, 79 million.

Six years. So I was, by the time I came in, just me averaging 18, I was only $15 million less than a max player. Wow. Right? That money creep up fast. And it does. Yeah.

That's. So in the fourth quarter, LeBron James had 19 points on five made threes. The Clippers had 16 points on one made three. Great game for the Lakers. They needed that. That's the last time the Clippers will play the Lakers as the home team in the building next year. Obviously, they moved to their new building. It's going to be interesting to see.

Did you say what? You said the Clippers as a home team. Brother, they wasn't a home team. Oh, that was a Laker crowd? Hey, listen, I don't know. Listen, listen. The reason Clippers never have a home game against the Lakers because they are the Clippers.

And they're in L.A. So all the Lakers show up to get them front rows for them cheap seats. Going to a Laker game costs your arm and a fist. Hey, listen, I got a suite for $8,000. That same suite cost me about $25,000. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I might even get courtside tickets to the Clippers game. The bad, hey, them Lakers, them Lakers bad.

You talking about, you talking about, uh, probably about three quarters to a million dollars for every game. Uh, but it was a good game. Congrats to the Lakers.

Big win. They needed that. Now they got some games at home over the next, I think they're home the next, uh, at least the next week.

But they, they, they needed this win. Now it's time for our first segment of the night. It's called News Cap. Let's take a listen. Scottie Pippen now back in on MJ as the GOAT. Let's take a listen to what Scottie had to say about MJ

on their Horace Grant-Luke Longley tour. Was Michael the best or the greatest ever? For sure. I mean, you look at the MVPs that he was able to achieve, but I think it was all brought from us being successful as a team.

Obviously, someone is going to bring those accolades home, but yeah, he was the greatest player, definitely, in basketball. Okay, at first it was Michael. Then it was LeBron. And then he said all these things in his memoir about Michael. And now he's back on. Okay, what's he selling?

What he got out there? Does he got a wine? Does he got a book? Does he got a newspaper? Is he selling cars? What's he selling what he got out there but he got does he got a wine does he got a book does he got a newspaper is he selling cars what's he selling he has a last name called pippin right pippin them pippins is tripping right now they chasing that jordan blood he got his wife out there leaving and coming back she doesn't she doesn't realize god damn it i need the jordan brand damn it i need the jordan brand now now the real pippen no bulls to realize no no no no you need bull his ass is back mr jordan i just think that just with the pippen you just gotta follow michael jordan at this point god dang i'm just trying i'm just trying to i'm just trying to figure out

if you feel a way you feel a way there's nothing i feel a certain way about a certain player no matter what that what happens between me and said player that doesn't change it because you and i might have had a falling out that doesn't change what you've done that doesn't change how i feel about you i might not like your ass personally but what you did on the field what you did on the court what you did on the baseball diamond or the field, that doesn't change. So I'm just trying to figure out why all the flip. I've seen fish.

I've had fish caught on the bank that did less flopping than this. Listen, that's the problem with being number two nobody cares about number two and three and four i'm sorry right we didn't come hey we didn't come to see you otis everybody came there to see michael jordan right well i'm trying to figure out who in the hell else could have played i don't give a a damn. I mean, if you really think about it, who else could you put beside Jordan? If you take whomever else that you have on Mount Rushmore, if you put them beside Jordan, especially now, because see, let's just say for the sake of argument, Gil,

Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, but he ain't got no shoe. So he got he got regular shoes and he ain't got no air in his shoes and he can't fly. But he's still Michael Jordan. It's just one of those things where I think they thought that they were going to get off and reality kicked in. Because if you listen to why they were mad. It was dumb reasons, Horace Grant. Oh, they didn't tell me that. They didn't say that.

I talked back to Michael Jordan. I want the world to know that I talked back to Michael Jordan. So you think they was going to spend 15 minutes on a dock for you to talk back to Michael? We don't care about you talking back to Michael Jordan. Sorry, son. What's wrong with you?

Are you average? I don't know what you average, but obviously we didn't care because they done traded your ass and bring in somebody else and they still won three championships. This is crazy. Like, who do they think they,

the problem with the tour is, besides Pippen, the rest of y'all, no one cared. Okay, you and your goggles can get the hell on. I think the thing with Luke is that he was saying, like Jordan said, you know, he gave Luke a

compliment against Utah. I think he had like 14 points in the first quarter. He said, Luke, you play unbelievable. They ended up losing the game by 30 and Luke had 14 in the first quarter. He said, Luke, you play unbelievable. They ended up losing the game by 30, and Luke had 14 in the first quarter, and he finished the game with 14. And he said, that's the last time I'm giving you a compliment. The only problem that I had, the only problem that I had, I mean, Jordan said what he said.

He did what he did. We knew. I mean, I'm old enough to remember Jordan, so I didn't really. Obviously, behind the scene was great. But when he brought Scottie Pippen into it because he wasn't there when Scottie wouldn't go back into the ballgame. So I

don't know how that's a part of his story. It's like me and you, Gil, and you do something like the incident that happened, and it happened before Shannon gets there. But I do my story, and I include you in it. You're like, man, you wasn't even there. Why the hell my story and I include you in it.

You're like, man, you weren't even there. Why the hell are you talking about what happened? You weren't even there. Now, obviously, he had great insight. I'm sure, you know,

he was still talking to Phil. I don't know. He didn't have no great relationship, so I know he ain't getting no information from J. Krause. But he still had guys on the team that I'm sure that was friendly with mike yeah of course but so yeah he could have left it out i heard pippen and pippen's argument is valid but it's

not reality right i don't know why you're drawing up a play for this guy. I'm Scottie Pippen. I'm this and I'm an MVP candidate. That's all great. But are you a finisher? Do you hit game winners? Do you take big shots? Some of you, some guys just are not that guy. Right. Westbrook has the gripe and say, well, I'm Russell Westbrook.

I'm averaging a triple double. I need to take the last shot. No, you don't. No, you don't. No. No, you don't. We know you do not. Right. No, you do not.

Right. And be honest. Come on, God damn it. I got Dame. No, no, Dame. Dame, take that last shot. You know what I mean? So what he's saying is valid because of the name,

but not valid because of your skill. Right. Right? This is the coach. Y'all got championships. He drew the player for the guy who had the best chance of making it. And sorry to you. And the fact that this is a three-time NBA champ,

and you refuse to come in the game, don't let me know that. Right. Because you guys' narratives. Yeah. It changed a lot of people's perception of him, though. You can't do that. Can't do that. You can't refuse. Gil, you can't refuse to go into the game. Okay, they draw the play up.

The play ain't coming to me. I ain't running no route. I ain't going. What? Now you see why I have a problem with the 80s and the 90s. Because the narrative about the guys today, pre-Madonna's and this,

and I'm like, wait, hold on. Do you guys know who you were when you got playing? The problem is, Gil... Because social media then, if a player did that today and said, oh, y'all do, if Yada said, I'm not going in the game

if y'all giving the ball to Dane, there would be a fucking uproar. Yes. But you did the same thing. So I'm the type of guy like, hold on, I'm going to raise my hand and say, I'm going to call cap. You did it too, sir.

Gil, a lot of what the players are, the players of the old are resentful of is the power and the money that today's players have. And even Michael Jordan did not have the power of Steph Curry of LeBron James, because he tried there's when LeBron James, because he tried. When LeBron James was in his prime, when he was at Cleveland, if they could make it, if they was willing to, somebody was willing to trade, there's not a player that. Jerry Krause was like, no, you don't tell us who to draft. We're going to get who we want.

And we don't want no more of them sorry North Carolina players. the draft, we're going to get who we want. And we don't want no more of them sorry North Carolina players. And no EK. I mean, so the players then, they're resentful because the players can move freely.

Michael Jordan, that couldn't go nowhere. You're like, you used to play for me and you don't play at all. It's really that simple. But that's the thing. We have the power because of you guys. Yes. You have the power because of you guys. Yes. You got the little power that you guys have because the generation before you. The generation before you.

It's a trickle effect, right? If you listen to the older guys, when Michael Jordan made that $30 million a year, what do you think they were saying? Yeah. You're making six. Like every generation hates the next one. This generation right now making 50 million. When they start making 75 and a hundred, they like,

man, it's that's, that's the light, man. Everyone moves the needle and do their part. Right. And the fact that when you guys throw shots at them, you have somebody who's researched to this is a, hold on. I'm going too that says, hold on, I'm going to throw shots back.

Right. I'm going to throw shots back. You calling us prima donnas? Hey, there's a group called Detroit Pistons. Yeah. They say y'all was prima donnas too. And y'all had the rule because they was bullying y'all. Y'all won championships, not with your team.

You won championships with our team you bought all our players but you you let you let isaiah thomas talk he gonna say well if you look at the bulls team when they won that look don't that look like the detroit business we can rough up our own teammates you know what i mean so there's history sometimes you just got to enjoy the game no matter how it looks it's not going to look the way it looked when you played it wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast

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Stronger Faster They get more skilled The game changed And it's okay It is okay You would have 25 years

20 years ago Mark Eaton couldn't be Rest his soul Victor Wimbinyama You know, you would have, 25 years, 20 years ago, Mark Eaton couldn't be, rest his soul, Victor Wimbinyama. There was not a guy like Giannis, but it's called evolution. And guys grow up now, and they got AAU, and they got coaches. I mean, your son probably had a coach where you were an NBA player. You know, you was coaching your son, an NBA player, at five, six, seven years old. They didn't have that.

Their dads wasn't in the NBA. And they didn't make the money that was going to pay for a personal coach. Now guys can do that on their own if they don't have time to coach and train them themselves. So guys are better. The sooner you do things, the better you're going to get at it. So I'm not saying everybody look.

There are more guys. If you think about it, think about how many guys can shoot the equivalent of Larry Bird from the three. And Larry Bird was thought of as a great three-point shooter. Think about how many guys got a better percentage, you'd be surprised,

of how many guys got a better percentage, and he won three three-point competitions that shoot the three ball better than he is. He did. So it is okay. I don't get upset. I take it for what it is hey kelsey them and all these guys hey give them their credit hey he to go grump and and and gates and all these guys

hey i did what i did i love the era which i played in but i'm willing to give guys credit i ain't taking nothing from them yeah like like even with my son, right? And with Steph Curry. Steph Curry's the best shooter because his dad was a shooter. And his dad, what his dad learned by the time he retired, he instilled it into his son, right? So same thing with me. Everything I learned, all the tricks I learned and did and the training I did, I get to start my son at 12 with the same mentality. So now my son has Jason Tatum moves in high school. So by the time he gets to the pros, if he gets there, his bag and package will be totally different than mine.

Yes. Point of evolution. And that's what people don't understand the guards of then the isaiah time you have nothing there's no no offense at six one you're fast and quick at six four i'm faster i'm stronger i'm more explosive i'm more dangerous offensively. Right? You were very great in your time. Can't take nothing away from you. But what I got to do is I got to learn what you did, add my sauce, add this. That's just how it is. Yes.

And people don't understand that. With the Kobe's, the Jason Tatum's, they get to look at the package. Yes. And steal everything. Steal it, boom, and add on to it. It's just, that's the game. Or they call it, in music, they call it sampling.

But, Gil, and what I tell guys, I say, guys, like, when I was in the league, there were only a handful of guys, myself and Colts, Novacek, Brett Jones, there were only a handful of guys, myself and Colts, Novacek, Brent Jones, there were only a handful of guys that could legitimately,

really when you got down to it, it was just me and Colts in the mid-90s, that could go get you a thousand double-digit touchdowns. Now, there are more guys that can do what only a handful of could do. So when Isaiah was handling the ball like he could,

there's two or three guys on the team that can handle the ball like Isaiah can. And Rod Strickland with that package. You got several guys that got a package like that. Now, I'm not saying that, but look at Kyrie. We didn't think we'd ever see a guy like a Rod Strickland or a guy like Isaiah or a guy like Jason Williams. And Kyrie, what Kyrie can do with the ball is and one Harlem Globetrotters. And he can finish with either hand at the rim.

And he's a three-level scorer. At the paint, either. And at the rim, either hand. Mid-range, free. Filing. He go to the free throw line he'll make somewhere between 87 and 90 percent of his shots but there are a lot of guys that can do what only a handful could do back then and i don't know why they don't want to give them credit it's called evolution your kids

probably are smarter and can do things easier than what you could. I know my kids, look, they might not have the depth, but I'm talking about this like general knowledge. Man, them kids, the work, the school work that they were doing, man, they doing stuff in the third and fourth grade. Hell, I was doing it in high school.

Yeah. I could do that homework. They're like, dad, I got some homework. I said, okay, I'll call you a tutor. I can't help you. You're going to fail the class,

man. But just like in football, at some point as a quarterback, there's going to be a switch thrower. There's going to be a guy. And then once the one comes in, everyone after him will be taught to throw with their right and their left just as accurate. That's coming.

That's the evolution. You know what I mean? And I don't think people factor in any of that. Like, I remember when I came in, I came in 2001. And I remember my first time against John Stockton and Gary Payton, right? I frightened because the ideal of what I used to watch, Gary Payton getting that glove, get that little smirk. Boom. What happened was after I got that first hit, no, it ain't not like that, right?

The things that they're trying to do that doesn't work against me so first time i said all right hey antoine hey dip out i'm about to see how fast he really is right and took off on him meet me at the rim like oh my god he can't even stay in front of me now you look at year two g Gary Payton, John Stockton, it's boom, boom, boom. Then from there, all these defensive rules that they were in, they're non-existent.

It is outdated, right? It's an outdated system. It was like, people don't realize, people think AI changed the point guard position. AI was a shooting guard. I was the point guard

that changed it. I was the aggressor in it. It was me. I was the point guard that changed it. I was the aggressor in it. I was the, it was me. I was the top scorer at 28, 29. Number two was James, Mike James. Number three is Mike Bibby, right? Those, think about the names I'm saying, right? Mike James, Mike Bibby at 18 and 19 and 17.

Those were the it was still those type of guards, you know, Jason Kidd, you know, Tony Parker. It wasn't guys that are trying to score 30 on you. Right. These guys are trying to run offense. I'm trying to embarrass you. So how are you going to play defense against me when you got to run your team and then you got to play defense against a dude who's trying to score like a Kobe Bryant? Right. Now every guard is that.

Yes. All these guys are twos masquerading as points. Darren Fox ain't no point. James Harden is a two. Russ was a two. All this, Steph Curry is a two. These guys, Draymond Russ, the offensive goal to stay. Yeah.

Steph is a two. Those guys are two was masquerading. Give those guys credit. But when you look at what they've been able to do, Evolution, I just wish, and I would just wish the old guard would give the new guard credit because they make it seem like they're bums and they're not.

Listen, they can say what they want. I know one thing they can do, guard them. They can say you can't guard them. The reason you can't guard them is because y'all didn't play like that for you to even know these movements you never played back belling in the whole game you never played with a guy like james harden

sitting there trying to be no this ain't that bring it back down let the big man get the cross green pass it down to him you didn't no no no john stockton i'm gonna walk you all the way down to the free throw line And then set the pick right here If I walk you down to the free throw line You getting post up little man This ain't no You getting post Steve Nash let's get to the block

Now the Matrix Got to guard me because I keep posting up This little guard Come on John bring your old Let up this little guard come on john bring your let's go work this by all right switch off come on matt harperin now you got to put matt harperin on me because john stockton too little now i'm going one-on-one with you because you are too guard not fast enough to be a point guard right right now me trying to guard someone like James Harden when he has to be stopped by the

twos and the threes now you have a real point guard trying to guard him and he's hard in the 6-4, 6-5 but here's the thing these guys now got handles all of them

I mean look at Harden every do-do-do-do-do. And then once he developed that step back, that side step three, which everybody seems to have added to their bag, they got that tool out of his toolbox and added it to theirs. How do you stop it? Because you know he can get by you still. He's slithery. He's not as slithery as he once was.

He's not as explosive as he once was, but he's still explosive enough can get by you still. He's slithery. He's not as slithery as he once was. He's not as explosive as he once was, but he's still explosive enough to get by you. And then when you back up off him, guess what? He just steps back and shoots to three. And now you're just at his mercy and just hopes he miss it because he's getting wide open looks. Yeah. It's just, it's arguing.

It's arguing with people's vision of when they first seen basketball for the first time right it's just like anything in life when you've seen it for the first time that's all you know what it looks like that was the purest form for you as an individual right ever since then it is considered a watered- down version of what was introduced to you. That's life. How it was introduced to you back in the 80s, 83, 84, 85. The way the game was played was the purest for you. Yeah. Right.

So everything after that considered is watered down. Right. That's how it is. It's watered down. It's not like that. Like the 80s is not the toughest. They are considered weak compared to the 70s and the 60s.

You get to get clothesline and I can punch in your face and then it's just a... That was that era. They had to clean it up for TV. TV got involved. It was cleaned. That was clean. And then the 90s, a little

bit cleaner, 2000 cleaner. And now you have an entertaining game. This game now is entertainment. It's not basketball. This is entertainment. I'm going to put butts in the seats. I'm in the business

of selling a show. So you can say, oh, they don't play no defense. Oh, they don't do this. You can say it all you want. Adam Silver going to say this. Yeah, you know, we've been looking into,

what you want me to say? Yeah, we've been looking into ways. Maybe we've tilted it too far in the offensive favor. Maybe we're trying to find a way to get defense back involved. He ain't doing nothing.

How you gonna see a flaw in something that's paying people 50, 60 million dollars? Yeah. Huh? 50, 60 million dollars and you think they think it's a flaw? My bank account says, hey, everything

is just like we planned. Udonis Haslam says, age plays a factor in his opinion about LeBron. Udonis Haslam said, the only reason why MJ is my GOAT is because, like he said, we watched him growing up. I'm older than LeBron.

He can't be my GOAT. I see that a lot, especially with comedians because even current comedians really don't put Chappelle as their goat. They normally go back to Pryor. They go back to Eddie Murphy or they'll go to Red Fox. They'll go to Bernie Mac. They'll go to Robin Harrison. They go to George Carlin. You know, it's always a Lenny Bruce. They always go back. This is he's my contemporary. I had J.B. Smooth on.

I had a lot of comedians. I've had a lot of comedians on. Tommy Davidson. And they always go back a generation before them. Yeah. As opposed to saying somebody that's a contemporary or a peer is on their Mount Rushmore or their goat. What's your take on that? I get what you're saying.

I ain't got no problem. I didn't play. I didn't play against Travis Kelsey. much more or their goat. What's your take on that? I get what you're done and say it. I ain't got no problem. I didn't play. I didn't play against Travis Kelsey. I didn't play against Gronk. I was leaving the league when Gates was there, but he didn't really play much. My last year,

I played a few years against Gonzo. So that's, that's kind of like, I played one year. I think Ozzie retired after my rookie, my rookie year. I saw Ozzie retired after my rookie year. I saw Ozzie play. But I remember Winslow, big Winslow senior, Kellen Winslow senior.

But I get what Udonis is saying. He's like, bro, I'm older than him. He can't be my goal. I played with him. He a contemporary. But that's just the competitive nature of who he is, right? And a lot of players. You don't want to name somebody

that is still playing with you, you played against, that's probably giving you 50 or something, right? I don't want him to be my goat, right? So you go backwards, right? And that's just how it is.

Whenever you hear a player talk, when you hear the guys talk today and they have Kobe as their goat, they didn't play against Kobe. It was on the end of it, right? So they're coming in. So there wasn't really a competitor like that. The real competitors, when they retire, they're going to say, all right, you know, Bean was a killer.

Okay, I'm not even going to lie. He's my goat. He's up there. Right? So you still get the respect, but it's usually after the person's done retired a few years. Right. Reality kicks in

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