Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron’s historical night, Embiid load management, Giannis drops 59

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Los Angeles Lakers’ Lebron James' becoming the oldest man in NBA history to record a triple double in win vs. the Memphis Grizzlies. Later, Unc and Ocho question Philadelphia 76ers Joel Embiid sitting out vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers due to load management, Milwaukee Bucks’ Giannis Antetokounmpo dropping 59 points without Damian Lillard in OT win vs. the Detroit Pistons and much more!03:13 - Show starts03:30 - Intro04:45 - Lakers beat Grizzlies28:30 - Giannis outscores Pistons35:20 - Cavs beat Sixers48:30 - Pop suffers mild stroke51:14 - Wemby 50 Piece(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And they needed every single point, every single rebound, every single assist. He had nine points, seven rebounds, five assists in the fourth quarter alone. The Lakers stayed undefeated at home as they beat the Grizzlies minus John Morant and minus Desmond Bain. I didn't think it would be that difficult, Ocho. But the Grizzlies, a very balanced team. They had one, two, three, four, five, six guys in double figures.

Another guy had nine points. They're very, no, they had seven guys in double figures. Excuse me. They're a very strappy team. You know what you're gonna get when you play the Grizzlies. You're gonna get a lot of effort, even without two of their best players.

John obviously is their best player, but Jaren Jackson had a superior, had a great game. 29 points, seven rebounds. Uh, Zach Eady, uh, had nine points. Uh, Zach Eady, no Zach Eady had 12 points. Excuse me. Had 12 points. Uh, uh, Adelama had what 15?

Scottie Pippen Jr. has been playing extremely well. He just needed he just needed a place where he could go and he could play. He wasn't going to get the minutes there. I'm sure the Lakers would love to have him. But when you got LeBron who needs the ball, you're going to have off the rivers on the point. And I think they had him before. Maybe they had DL also.

That was just too many guys handling points. So he wasn't going to get an opportunity to handle the ball. Oh, Joe, but I thought the Lakers really needed this game. They had to dig deep. I don't know if they took him for granted because Bane and John was going to be out. But I had a fifth or what, a 12 point lead built the lead all the way to 15. I think the Grizz cut it to one, then outscore him in the third quarter. But the Lakers get it together.

A.D. was in foul trouble, a large part of of this game and I think that had a lot to do with it Edie is just so big man. I don't know how tall the thing is about seven for Ocho Yeah, he just takes up so much space This is a big win the Lakers stay undefeated at home But I thought the Lakers played really well when they absolutely have to but you guys tip your hat to the Grizzlies because they played Well without two of the best players when you watch the to but you got to tip your hat to the Grizzlies because they played well without two of the best players. When you watch the game, Ochoa, what you think? I mean I enjoyed it up and down the field without Job Moran. They played very well in transition on both sides

on both sides of the court. Defensively they did the best that they could but offensively in transition they played extremely well. Outside of that, for me, knowing that you know how much I've really just started watching the game of basketball, I would have liked to see the difference with Bain and Javarant playing tonight and see if that would have made a difference in the game. The fact that the Grizz were able to keep it somewhat close, keep it somewhat close because of the way they played,

because of how you just spoke on it, how scrappy they were. I would've liked that a little better. Outside of that was good game. You did mention that AD was in trouble, in trouble and he really couldn't get into rhythm early, but he did find his rhythm later on in the game. Fourth quarter he was huge.

Yeah, yeah. He had two big threes. Yeah, to kind of extend that lead a little bit more. Um, I'll say that I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. And, um, one of the things that I would, I would, I would want and ask from you being at the season is, is really just starting and as I, as I continue to learn the game of basketball, I think we need to sit courtside. I think we need to get, we need to sit courtside so you can teach me the game

better and I think I'm, since I'm a visual learner, it'd be perfect. So you take me to all the games court side. That ain't gonna happen. I can put you in touch with the guy that can get you the tickets to sit court side. Oh no, no, no. I'm not gonna talk to no guy. I'm not gonna talk to you. I need you sitting next to me so you can explain. I know where them court side ticket calls, bro. I know. You got it. That ain't nothing to a so you can. I know what them court size ticket calls, bro. And I know you got, you got it.

That ain't nothing to a player like you. That ain't nothing to like. I'll sit court side if there's not a game on, but for me, I like watching all the games, it's hard for you to sit court side and watch the games when you got to be critiquing and analyzing all the games and come back and have a conversation about them. It's just, that's one of the reasons why I don't go to football games on Sunday because I can't analyze all the other games that's going on if I'm sitting in the stadium watching that one game and there's so

many other games that I need to talk about so that's the main reason why I don't go to games you know I have an opportunity to go to games go see the Broncos or Ravens play but I'll be doing a disservice to try to come in here and have a conversation about other games that play knowing that I I was at a game watching, focusing on that game. So that's the main reason why I don't even go to games. It would be nice to be able to go to a game here and there. I think the Broncos are coming out. I know they are.

But somebody asked me in the gym today, are you going to the Broncos Raiders game? I was like, no, I'm not. When I look at the game, Mocho, you look at the Lakers, they shot, and they're not the greatest three-point shooting team. They can get their streaky. Don't connect, obviously, the best three-point shooter. They shot 48%, almost 40.

They shot basically 49% from the three. But the turnover, that's what'll get you in trouble. And you have a 15-point lead, and you turn the ball over a couple of times, you get lazy on defense, and guys basically you know, basically hit a shoot around threes on you, or they get, you know, uncontested layups to the basket.

I think that's what really hurt them. Cause normally the Lakers, you shot 51% from the floor, you shot 49% from the three, you was terrible from the free throw line, you was 22 or 32. Right. You gotta be better from, LeBron was five of eight. Cam Reddick was one of four. Austin Rees was five or seven.

You got to be better in a closer game. You're going to need to make those free throws. You need to be 20, 28 of 32, something like that. Twenty nine or 32. There's no reason for you to miss that many free throws. But, you know, other than that, connect play good the bench, uh, Coloco played good off the bench. D-Lo, uh, struggled a little bit tonight. Gabe Vinson hadn't found this stroke yet. He hadn't found this stroke in a while.

Hey, do you think D-Lo coming off the bench, you think that bothers him? You think it bothers him not being able to get a rhythm? Well, not, not having that, not having that. I don't know the word to use, not, not confidence, but usually when a player is coming off the bench, that is normally a starter, it's hard for them to catch rhythm and a little bit hesitant, you know, when they decide to pull the trigger out, out, out there on the court. Yeah. I think, you know, he's been a starter basically his whole career.

So you have to revamp your game. Um, you know, Lou, you see Lou, will, was a starter. Then all of a sudden they brought him off the bench. What's the guy's name? Jamal Crawford. Guys that, I mean, you know, basically you have to just like, but you do have the green light. Normally guys that come off the bench, you understand,

they're gonna have, they have the green light. A Malik Monk was a starter, now they move him to the bench. He has the green light to get in rhythm.. But I think this role is better suited for him because you insert Kam Reddish and you ask Kam Reddish to guard probably one of the premier backcourt guys. That takes pressure off of officer Reed so he doesn't have to exert so much energy trying to stay in front of a guy like a job, trying to stay in front of one of the better one or two guards. And so that's the thing you have to tip your hat for a guy like Jordan, a guy like Colby that took the challenge of Ron in his prime. They took the challenge to guard the best guy and still had to give you the

office, office of production on the other end. That's what separates the guys, the really good, uh, and the great players is that they were willing to accept that challenge. Um, even if they didn't do it for the entire game, when the rubber needed to meet the road, they would take that challenge in the fourth quarter overtime or late in the ball games and says, okay, not giving him, give me him. Um, but yeah, but I mean, what do you say about LeBron? I mean, I, I mean, you, you, you look at this point in time, the man is what?

39, 314 days, whatever. Yeah. No more than that. It. Yeah. Cause there's 45 more days, 365. So yeah, 314 days. So there's 46 more days. I like to say guys, there's 46 more days.

I like to say guys, there's 46 more days before his birthday. But I mean, what do you say? Thirty five points, 12 rebounds, 14 assists. He shot great. I mean, the efficiency was off the chart. Thirteen or twenty two, four or seven from the three. Like I said, A.D. was in foul trouble. He missed some easy shots.

LeBron missed a couple of easy shots. But in the fourth quarter, when they needed both of their big guns to step up, AD has played great all year long. I got no qualms with AD tonight. It was a relatively quiet night for him. 21 points, 14 rebounds, six to 16 from the floor. He was shooting 57% coming into the game.

Like I said, it's kind of hard for him to get a rhythm. He was dealing with a guy that's so, so much taller than he is. And even when you turn around and create space, shooting over guy that's seven, I think he's seven foot four, even if he jumps a little bit, you know, you just like, yeah. And so, uh, but give those, give them, give them credit. Um, I want to give the Grizzlies credit because I thought they played extremely hard. Like I said, given they didn't have John, they didn't have a Desmond Bay, you know, John was chirping on the bench.

You know that that's his game. They do a lot of talking. Yeah. But that's, that's who they are. That's who that team is. But the Laker was able to keep their focus and win a ball game that they could have easily lost. Maybe I'm not so sure last year when they played, they have that lead for whatever reason.

Oh Joe. And I've been watching the Lakers since LeBron got there. It's always that third quarter where they sleepwalk coming out in the first six or seven minutes of the ball game. And the next thing you know, they might have a lead. The lead is gone. Or if a team, uh, uh, if it's a close game, the team puts separation. I don't know what it is.

And it does not matter who's the coach. If you go back and look at the Lakers, be it Vogel, be it Luke Walton, be it Darwin Ham, and now JJ, that third quarter, for some reason, they sleepwalk. Hey listen, when it comes to the game of basketball, whether it be the Lakers or not, regardless of who's coaching a basketball team, what I've come to learn in my,

my short tenure is being a, uh, uh, a basketball, um, savant is that the, the bad, the game of basketball is about runs. It's the game of runs, no matter how, how much you extend the lead for some reason, no matter what that lead always shrinks significantly when another, when another team gets in rhythm, gets in rhythm and they have their run Then at some point in the third, maybe the fourth quarter, then the game becomes a game Where the game does someone even very seldom is it just a blowout and you get a lead you extend a lead or in early in The game and you just blow them tight blow the game out out the water the entirety of the game for some reason the

opposing team Yeah The Lakers got up 41 the Grizzlies got up 33 the Celtics you 40 50s almost 63 the night So yeah, when you get in a situation you got teams that can make 25 29 threes Yeah, right. No no leaders safe because you turn the ball or you miss a couple of shots or you turn, turn the ball over and the team could easily go on their next five possessions hit four threes or two and a 20 point lead all of a sudden is a seven point lead. Wait. Yeah. And it's just like that. So yeah. Uh, uh, normally when teams, I mean,

look, they're all all they've always been big comebacks, things of that nature. But it seems to me now with the way these teams can shoot the basketball, that a 20 point lead in the first quarter. I mean, I saw. Oh, just the other night, the Spurs had like a 20 something point lead in the first quarter on the Clippers and by the third quarter, the Clippers had done calling them and had a 10 point lead in the first quarter on the Clippers. And by the third quarter, the Clippers had done call them and have a 10 point

lead and ended up winning the game. So yeah, it's, it's always been a game of runs, but now with that three point shot and team's ability to have multiple guys on the court that can shoot and make that shot, yeah, there's, there's really no lead. That's really safe. Uh, yeah, but I look, this is basically the same roster that they had last year. So for Darwin Ham to excuse me, for JJ Reddick to get this kind of production, AD is playing off the chart. Statistically, he's playing his best

balls of his career. LeBron is LeBron. LeBron is LeBron. Allster Reeves, now that he doesn't have to guard, the best player, you know, the best back court player, he has the energy to give you something. Now, Cam Reddish is not the guy that's gonna give you, he's a defensive guy, he's a wing defender. Now, in anything that he gives you offensively, you greatly accept, but you just wanna make sure

that you limit the back court guys, you don't let him get his average. If you can hold a guy from his average, give us some limited production, Cam Reddish has done his job. Now D-Lo, you come in and you get your 15 points coming off the bench. I thought Donk Connect was unbelievable tonight.

Five of five from the three, seven of eight from the free throw, from the field. He had 19 big points. He had the highest plus minus. He was plus 17. You can't complain about that. Coloco gave you four points, gave you a couple of rebounds.

D-Lo gave you eight points. Gay Vincent, for whatever reason, Gay Vincent hadn't found his stroke. He was, I remember when he was in Miami, damn, every time he shot the ball, it seemed like it was going in. Going in, yeah. And now all of a sudden, he was 0 or 6 from the floor,

0 or 4 from the three, got 13 minutes of cardio in. Listen, them bright lights, them bright lights different now. I know Miami is Miami, but the bright lights different over there in Hollywood. Expectations are different. Oh yeah, most definitely. You're playing alongside LeBron.

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Listen to MTV's official challenge podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But the Lakers hold on to win the ball game, 128 to 123 to remain undefeated at home and move to 74 on the regular season. The Lakers have decided that Brawny James will play in the G League home games, but will not travel with the team during the road games. Brawny will be with the Lakers during road games. Brian Windhorst doesn't think that's a good idea. I'm going to apply the brakes on everything.

It's fine on Brawny front with the things that's not happening. He's only gonna be a part-time G League player and he's not getting on the United Airlines He's only gonna kind of be a part-time G League player, and he's not getting on the United Airlines and going to fly and go play at these road games now. I know he was getting so much special treatment and nepotism, and that's fine. Honestly, I don't care.

Like I said, it's normal. Now, I think it's actually detrimental to him. I don't know whose idea it was. Obviously, the Lakers are fine with it. They're doing it. On this particular instance. I think you've gone too far. I don't think it benefits Bronnie.

I don't think it benefits South Bay Lakers. I don't think it benefits LeBron at this point. I think it'd be better if Bronnie played more developmental player by February or March by playing in the G League road games. Ochoa, what you think? I think whoever had the idea and using Bronnie the way he is for his development,

I think they would know a little bit more than whoever else has anything to say about it. They understand what Bronnie needs to do to bring himself along to be a contributor and to get better at his game so he can play at the highest level. Everyone is going to have their opinion on the matter, but I think those that have been doing it for a long time that actually played the game and that

or actually played. Listen, this is something LeBron is probably signed off on. This is some probably Brawny and other advisors that are in positions of power have thought was the best thing for him to do, you know, to play the play in the home games, not to fly when the Lakers on the road. And that's how they saw it fit. I'm not sure why that would be an issue with anyone else. Because how do you get better sitting on the bench at Laker games? He needs to play.

You said he's playing home games, you said players don't get better sitting on the bench. So why is Ronnie getting better sitting on the bench based on what you said? He just they said he's playing in the South Bay Lakers home games, but they play road games. So when he so so when they go on the road, he does he gets nothing out of that. So just go sit on the bench and watch watch the Lakers at home. I think they are listen that that, that wasn't my decision. No, I'm just, I'm just basically know what you're saying. He's playing the home game.

You said players don't get better sitting on the bench, be it basketball or football. I'm asking you now, how does Bronnie get better when he's only playing part time and the other half the time he's sitting on the bench. You really can't do the comparison when you talk about football and basketball, because he's still playing when you get benched in football, you're not touching the field at all.

No, no, no, no, no, no. But you're practicing. Right. Right. But again, he's playing in the home games for the South Bay Lakers. He's not being just not. He you would know better than me. I'm not a basketball player. Don't do that. Don't do that. Cop out of me. I would know better.

Does a guy get better? So let me ask you a question. So if the football player, he only played home game, but he didn't play on the road. He's getting better. Come on. You can't know. Now, you know, you can't compare them. Goddamn sports. Now, come on. That don't do me like that. You can't play. the road he's getting better huh. Come on you can't compare them goddamn sports now come on now don't do me like that. But if you get better by playing I thought you get better by playing we just had a conversation

about Scottie Pippen Jr. look at what he's doing he was sitting on the bench look at him now when he's getting an opportunity to play to play versus him sitting on the bench coming in spot. I like what you just said but the key words you said about Scottie Pippen Jr. on the reason why he wasn't playing where he was because other people needed to handle the ball. What difference does it make why? He had to be in a place where he could touch the ball and be a part of the team. So what is Brawny? So what about Brawny? Doesn't he need to be a place to play? Right. So you would want it to be somewhere else. And so you have to be on the plate. I don't get the benefit of him playing part time in the other time sitting on the bench.

That makes no sense to me. You get better. You get better at doing something by doing something right. Not doing it part time. What what occupation allows you to do something part time and you become great at it? What occupation allows you to do something part time and you become great at it? That's a good question. That's a good question.

But the fact that he is playing, the fact that he is very, very young, the fact that he think he's not come along far enough that we can be a part of the active roster when the Lakers play and go on and play at home and play on the role games, allowing him to develop in this way that they, that they see fit. You know, I had some might agree with it.

Some don't. The fact that he is playing, they're trying to bring him along slow. That's the only thing I can think of. Yeah. I mean, but look, there's, there's, I mean, I didn't have a whole lot of expectation. He's not a part top 10 pick. But I just think him being the 55th pick in the draft, I just think that playing and getting and handling the ball and going up against competition and working on your craft,

I don't know how you work on your craft part-time and become great at it. Now I'm not saying that he can't, but I'm just saying I don't understand how. Yeah, I understand what you mean. I totally understand what you mean. I don't understand. I kind of get where they may be coming from on their end. But listen, people folks had to sign off on this. Oh, yeah, we know. Oh, yeah, for sure. And they don't they don't want him playing playing full time. Why they don't I don't know. I don't know what they I don't know up on this. And they don't want him playing full time.

Why they don't, I don't know. I don't know what the blueprint, I don't know what the ideas behind it, but it's something that many, many obviously probably wouldn't agree with. This is something that doesn't normally happen though, right, home? So it's either you play for the home team

or you play for the G-league. A lot of times they put you on a two-way contract. That means you're down there and you're playing, you know, you're playing. And sometimes they need you, they'll call you up. Yeah, they call you. Okay. Right. But it's a situation you play the G League games and if somebody gets in it, they'll call you up. Call you up?

Yeah. You think it's a little bit- It's kind of like, you're getting baseball. I mean, I think it would be odd like minor league game baseball player. OK, you play the home game. But when they travel, you don't play. You just come sit up on the bench in the majors. Now you need a badge. You need swings.

You think maybe maybe listen, I could be reaching. You think maybe they're protecting him from something, you know, in the way games? No, he needs he just needs to play. I mean, you take the baby. You know, I don't I me personally, I don't think you're helping him by having him sit on the bench. I don't really know how much you could. I mean, look, I get it. But in that situation, I think you're basketball.

You definitely need to have the ball in your hands. You need to be doing things on the court. You need to be playing. I don't know the benefit of. You because it's not like that. It's not like football or joke because you know, we do practice during the course of the week. I mean, shoot around really no practice.

I mean, you shoot around, you go over a couple of plays, you watch some film. I think he needs to be an actual game like situation in order for him to get better. But hey, we'll see how I played over the next two to three years and see if this was the right way for him to develop. Giannis Antetokounmpo, the Greek freak, scored 59 points in the Bucks, 127-120 win over the Pistons. It was a league high in points this year by a player and the second highest single game total for Giannis. He outscored the Pistons by himself in overtime, scoring 11 points to their nine.

And he's the first bus player to go five for five or better in a single overtime period since play by play was first track in 1996, 97. Tonight marks Yonis ninth career game in which he scored 50 points and 10 rebounds, the third most in NBA history Well, nobody is ever ever ever catching will chamberlain Will chamberlain has a total of 118 games in which he scored 50 points and has 10 rebounds The next closest is Elgin Baylor who's 102 games behind him Elgin Baylor had 16 such games Yonis is now in third place with nine.

You would never guess who's in fourth place. Who that? There are four guys tied. James Harden, James Harden, Joel Embiid, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Michael Jordan are all tied with eight such games, 50 points and 10 rebounds. Two guards are on the list.

Nobody surprised that Will Chamberlain. I would have, I could have told y'all like anytime to have something to do with fifties, take will anything they got to do with sixties, take will anything they got something to do with seventies, take will anything they got got to do with sixties take will anything to got something to do with seventies take will write anything They got anything to do with Forties take will you want to write anything when it comes to scoring take will and you're probably you're probably gonna be right But tonight Yonis onto the school boy had a 50-10 game if I'm not mistaken. I was watching the game. I think If I'm not mistaken, I was watching the game. I think he had 22 points in the first quarter.

His teammates had two. The Pistons had 27. Maybe, you know what, Ocho? Can he get some help though? Well, Yarn it, Dane was out tonight. And maybe it's just me, but I've watched these games. I've watched them play. Yarn is played better when Dane was out tonight and maybe it's just me, but I've watched these games. I've watched them play. Yarn is played better when Dane's not in the lineup.

Dane plays better when Yarn is not in the lineup, but that's not a good thing because they need to play great together in order for them to reach their ultimate destination. And people like, well, they only been together for a little while. Yarn is not going to wait around for them to develop chemistry. They better figure this thing out. Well, actually, they've already had a full season to develop chemistry. The chemistry, the honeymoon phase is over.

They should know each other very well. He should be opening the car door. Man, don't get me started. The chemistry should already be there. It's the game of basketball. There's only five people on the goddamn court. It ain't 11, it ain't, it should be a well-oiled machine after all this time. You had a training

camp. You had a mini camp. I don't know how many goddamn camps they probably go through and you've already had a full season. So at this point in year two, with two players of that caliber that are that good, they should be able to mesh well together. Not, okay, you're not playing tonight and you go off for whatever whatever points it may be. Okay, Yonis is not playing tonight and you go off for whatever whatever points it may be Okay, Yon is not playing tonight and Dame goes crazy Like you just got you guys gonna say I have to be on the same page in the same night and be just as efficient Yeah Stand why one would play better when the other isn't playing that makes no sense to me. Yeah, it's

Two superstar players you would think they would be really, really great to pick and roll. Well, they're okay to pick and roll because Yonis is not a pick and pop player. It's not like he got a mid-range game. He doesn't. Wait, his mid-range has gotten a lot better now. He doesn't have a mid-range game. Basically, Yonis is getting the ball and he's trying to go down the hill. He's going to back you out and he's going to try to find a way to your own step and get down the hill. He doesn't he doesn't like to play with his back to the basket.

He doesn't like to shoot the mid range shot. He doesn't like to fall away. He's trying to get to the basket. He's going to try to up and under you. He's going to try to dunk on you or he's trying to go over the wall and get to the lane. So it's like he's not like 80 80 can pick and pop. 80 can roll to the basket. 80 can pick and pop.

OK, you can drive a drive. You can drive a handoff with it. There's a lot of different things that you can do with a guy like an ad joy the big, big guys that can shoot. That's not what you see. Yeah, he can have a hot stretch here or there where he make it a mid range shot. But that's really not what he wants to do. Right. But tonight he was 21 of 44.

He was one of two on threes. He shot 17 free throws. He was 16 of 17 from the free throw line. He had a 14 rebounds, seven assists, two steals, three blocks, only had three turns, played 44 minutes. He was great, and he had to be. Brooke Lopez, nine of 17, five of eight, six of eight. He had 29 Torrey and Prince kept it with 15 Gary Trent Jr.

And you would think I think the thing is like when you got young, when you got Dane, a guy that can shoot the ball. I think a lot of what they're missing is own ball defender. They really messed up when they let holiday go because he was their best perimeter defender. Hey, I can be honest with you. I can be honest with you. I know drew holiday was that damn good and valuable. Oh, yeah. You never understand how good a player is until they leave

a certain situation and they play with somebody else. Now you understand their true value in the struggles on why the Bucks are struggling in certain areas. Sometimes, Ocho, we just look at the staff. What what a guy the 2010 guy or the guy does this or that but Drew Holliday So does so many other things he's normally taking the best player from the opposing team especially if he's probably a three Three to a point he's taking them and now got Derek White, who's also an elite defender. You got a big Al who can protect the paint.

You got Przingus who can protect the paint. And now you got JT and JB that doesn't have to exert nearly as much energy taking guys that can go get 30, you know, 30, 25, 30, 35 point. So now you got two guys, you got two defenders, you got two guys that can take the pain and now you got scores that have energy to go score the basketball. I just, like I said, I've watched them for a year. I know Yon has got hurt missing time last year. Dane got Nick.

He's out right now dealing with, I'm not sure what he's dealing with, but watching them play over the course of last year into this year, those guys do play better separate than they play together. OK, we need to go to a bucks game to and you get course. Yonis made every basket for the Milwaukee in the first quarter, hitting seven to 10 field goal attempt and all three of his free throws. He had 22 of the team's 24 points. Oh, Joe, the Cavs continue the undefeated season. They beat the Sixers 114 to 106. No joy of the team's 24 points. Ocho, the Cavs continued the undefeated season.

They beat the Sixers 114-106. No Joel Embiid, no PG, sat out due to load management. Damn, Joel Embiid just got back, but hey, he need to manage it. Cavs became the sixth team in NBA history to start the season 13-0. Of the previous five teams to start 13-0, four made the NBA titles, but one the NBA, excuse me, 13 and 04 made the NBA titles,

but when the NBA, excuse me, one for made the NBA finals, but only one. The 1993 94 Houston Rockets won the title. The record, if I'm not mistaken, is the Golden State Warriors who started the season in 2015 16 24. Hey, yeah. I have a question. Do you personally have a problem with Embiid taking nights off, understanding his situation, his injury history, the fact his size, his weight?

I'm just curious. How do you feel about it? Yeah, I mean, and they just gave him a three year, $193 million extension. Okay, so that means you do have a problem. Yeah, I got a problem with a guy not playing, absolutely. Yeah. The fans have a problem with it too. Right, right.

Even with understanding on why he has to have load management management based on, you know. Well, they shouldn't be able to load manager check. I mean, I mean, damn. I mean, the guy, the guy missed the first nine games of the season. He comes back, played a game and now he's out again. Damn. That was a good one.

I, I, I, I just, I look, look, this is, this is, this is the problem that you're going to have with him. Um, he had, he had an injury history when you drafted it. He's 21. He had injury history at 20. Right. What happens as he starts to age? Right. What happens as he starts to age?

Do you think it gets lighter? Do athletes get lighter as they age or do they get heavier and then compound the injury history that they already have? Mm hmm. You're right. Because if you look at it. I'm trying to other than pop what team is load managed and won the title Hey matter of fact speaking of pop right? Spurs have won the title. Who was the player that was being load managed then at that time? Well, they used to do it all the time with tim Duncan. There was some Tim and Tony Parker and Manu.

And then, you know, Kauai came in and they did the thing with Kauai. But then, you know, they thought Kauai was faking his injury and he wasn't. And so, you know, that thing, that's why he ended up being out of. That's why he ended up getting traded out of San Antonio. It's just like, I get it. That's why he ended up getting traded out of San Antonio. It's just like, I get it. It's just, I think the thing is the questions, we're always gonna have this question, even when his career's over, what if?

Because we've seen Joel Embiid, when he's playing, ain't nothing like it. Hey, like he's 7 1 7 2 3 25 3 30 can shoot the three. We've never seen a man his size, his weight can shoot the three ball. Put the ball on the floor. Mid range can finish. Go put it on the floor. Get all the way to the rim.

You can run anything with him. You can run dribble drive, dribble handoff, pick and pop. And you know, he, I mean, obviously he has no weakness and he's a damn good defender. Right. He just can't stay healthy. He just a big ass, he's a, he's a big ass man that had injuries as a, as a, as a young man. Yeah. That's exacerbated as he started to age.

Right? I mean, I wish I could give you a bit. And I'm trying to tell y'all, I mean, God normally big young guys have problems with big men. Zion, he's hurt again, hamstring. You gotta lose some of that weight on. My thing is that when you try to tell people that, oh, y'all pick it on him,

he play, he been that size his whole life. He has he been playing NBA basketball his whole life. Different, the type of energy you have to exert. The highest level is always been the best. He's always been the best player when high school, he was the best player in college. He was the best player. He steps on the court every night. He is not the best player. All those guys are really good. All those guys, you know,

there are a lot of guys that he played against high school that didn't go to college. There's a lot of guys that he played against high school that didn't go to college. There's a lot of guys that he played against in college that didn't go to the NBA. Every guy that he plays up steps on the court with or is in the NBA. So it takes a different level in order for you to perform. He could probably go in high school, probably go 70%. Right. And drop 30%.

Yeah. Because he was so much better than everybody else. And college, he was better than everybody else. And he was better than everybody else. No, bro, it takes it. It takes a lot. And that's what you know, you you took it. Even if you don't like Brian, you don't like that, he made the decision. You don't like anything about it.

You got to take your damn head off the man's plate. Twenty two years. And most and most of those give it and give it and get and give you the performances that he's given you time and time again. Jordan, you know, he wasn't going to teach you Colby. They won't go to like I said, I think now, I've already come to the conclusion. We're not going to see the guys in today's game for whatever reason. Play 82 games is not a badge of honor for them.

It used to be bad. 82. I got me 82 of these things. I played every single game. It's just like baseball. Baseball today is we see in these pitches pitch like, you know, five man rotations. Right. Because basically they go, you know, five man rotations. Mm-mm. Right. Because basically they go, everybody's going five minutes,

maybe you go six complete games. Somebody throw a complete game, hell, they're running on sports center. They're running on sports center like five or six times because it's such an anomaly now. You got guys, you don't want to see go through the four times through the lineup. So you might make it three times through the lineup.

After that, they go pulling. And now they go righty righty. They go lefty lefty. You go set up. You got guys you don't want to see go through the four times through the lineup. So you might make it three times through the lineup after that. They go pulling and now they go righty righty. They go lefty lefty. You go set up. You go to the book. You get into your bullpen and the 16th. I mean, you look at the Dodgers, the Dodgers bringing our guys to face one guy. Okay.

You good. You go. Okay. You come out, you lefty. They got two lefty. You face both of them. You go. That's where it is.

Now the days I see in the Nolan rise and you see those guys, you know, Randy Johnson's it ain't happening no more. It's not it's not. And the thing is, I because when you when you when you see a talent like Joe L.B., all you want to do is maximize that talent because you realize what you're watching, You understand just how great it is. But unfortunately, I'm not, I'm, we're not going to be able to see Joel and be that is best because the injuries won't allow it.

We won't see it. We won't see it consistently. We've seen it. Oh, we know what it can be. Oh yeah. You say it consistently. Okay. I see what you mean.

Night in and night out. Night in and night out. Night in and night out. I mean, has there has there ever been a big man of that size that can do the things he does on the court? No, that's why Kareem was able to play as long as he did. See, OK, what did he do? Oh, Kareem Kareem stretched Kareem managed his way. Kareem probably definitely the same size he was when he played

as a 74, 75 year old man. You got a different frame, though. That's my point. So what? So what? Oh, Joe, if you're a big kid, you're going to be a big ass man. What's the likelihood that you coming into the league at a 300 pound man in the NBA? You go out in the league at a 300 pound man in the NBA, you go out in the league of the 300 pound man. Not a huge U.A. LeBron invest in his body.

He made a decision that, you know, I want to play as long as I possibly can. And these are the steps I need to take. Tom Brady says, I want to play as long as I can. Tom Brady said way back when he wanted to play until he was 50. We thought it was crazy. Oh, he meant that. But he did the steps. You can't wait till you get to year 10 like, oh, man, I want to play.

No. If you haven't taken those steps, if you haven't watched what you eat and you hadn't cleaned up your diet and you haven't done the thing, physios and PTs and all that stuff, hyperbaric chain, but cold tub, ain't happening. Hold on, but hold on, huh? When you talk about the steps, you talk about the steps of people that are normal size.

What steps can God damn Joel Embiid take that can promise and guarantee that he can play the 82 game even consistently? Ain't no guarantee, but without a diet and proper training, ain't no chance of it happening. You see, people think hard work guarantees you something. It doesn't guarantee you anything.

But I can assure you this without it, you got no chance. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You got it. You got it. Oh, Joe, you got to realize that's a big man. And you're asking him to run up and down the court, jump up and down continuous, night in and night out. Do you know how much that is? Think about how, Ocho, think about how your knees and your ankles felt.

You're a 185 pound man, playing, cutting. Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't do that. Why don't cut me short? Don't cut off all my hard work. I done been in the gym now. I done got myself a goddamn 227. You were 227 when you played I'm saying think about how you felt all that playing and cutting now

Imagine before they had turf when they had turf and they didn't have grass or didn't have this filter What your knees felt like now imagine that I'm gonna put another hundred. I will put no, you know what? I will put two hundred a 200, 150 pounds on you. On me? On you and ask you to do that same thing. Yeah. I'm not sure how that would have worked, but the fact that historically,

big men haven't fared well at that size in the NBA, I thought people would be a little bit more lenient with Joel, Joel and beat and understanding why he's having the low, low management instead of him actually playing night in the night out and then being out for the entirety of a season and missing more time again, as opposed to being low, managing his body, understanding he can only do so much throughout in a two game season. Well, if you know, you're heavy, what must you do? Manage your weight.

Yeah. Eat properly. So do you think he can eat whatever he wants? Yeah, maybe he does. Maybe he has a nutritionist. Maybe he does. Some of the things we hear about him, you know, eating McDonald's or Likenburgers.

Ain't no hear about it. You see it. He was proud of that. Eat your camera. I'm sure that his change at this point is in his career. I'm sure it has. I'm sure he has a team of people know that, that do everything they can around the clock to make sure he can be healthy and be on the court and be available.

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Damn, prayers out to park. Yeah, man. That's tough. Uh, my grandmother had one of those and, uh, I mean, she got PT for like a couple of weeks, like I said, see physical therapy for a professional is something entirely different because he's going every day, he's going multiple times a day as opposed to, to average person. They get to a week, but you only get that for what? 20, you get in 20 sessions. So you probably get, you go to a week for 10 weeks, you get 20 sessions. That's it. Maybe they'll write you another script for another four, another eight sessions,

which is another four weeks. That's it. Damn. which is another four weeks. That's it. Damn. That's it. Pop, probably getting it twice a day, every day. Right. That's why athletes heal so much quicker

than the general population. Not only because, you know, the muscles and the things are stronger, but the therapy that we received versus what you guys receive is something entirely different. Yeah. That's why I got like, damn, he back already. What'd you say?

He back. Yeah. That's why you see Adrian Peterson able to come back in six, seven months and do what he did. Rod Woodson had ACL surgery and played in the Super Bowl. People forget about that. He must have a full tear, huh? Full tear, played in the Super Bowl.

What the hell? Vibranium? Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice tore his ACL the first game and played late in the season. Yeah. Call two touchdowns against us. Go look it up. That's crazy.

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we prayin' for you, bro. Get well soon, wanna see you back on the court, not talkin' to reporters. Victor Wimbenyama. Big quarter career high 50 points, including a career high eight three porters in a 139 130 win over the Wizards at 20 years, 314 days. Wimbenyama is the fourth youngest player to score 50 points at seven foot four. He's also the tallest to do it.

The youngest player to do it was Brandon Jennings. He did it at 20 years, 52 days. LeBron James is the second oldest. He did it at 20 years, 80 days. Devin Booker was the third. He did it at 20, 20 years 145 days Victor Wimiyama did it at 20 years 314 days and LeBron did it again on December 10th to over 2005 at 20 years 345 days three hundred and forty five days. So a whimby, a whimby,

but whimby is special for sure. How many times have we seen somebody that young that can put the ball on the floor, create his own shot, run the pick and roll. From distance, he got a three point shot, he got a mid range. But where the fuck is the weakness? No, it's not that his age is his size. We've never seen somebody that size, 7'4 and a half, that can put the ball on the floor, like you said, can shoot the three ball, plays outstanding defense. We've never seen anybody his size, his skill in the history of the game.

Yeah. I mean, most most guys, when you think about people that that that tall, you know, they're very, I don't know if I'm saying this right. They're very lethargic. The way that they move is very, god damn. How do you say it, man? They move like Zach Eady. They move like Zach Eady.

They move like rest his soul Mark Eaton. They move like rest his soul Sean Bradley, Manu Bowe, guys like that. What's his, Bowe Bond. Yeah, you know what? The best thing I could think about it, people that height and that size are not Twitty. No.

That means Wimby is Twitty. Oh Joe. He can face you up. Put the ball on the floor, cross you up like goddamn AI and go to the basket. At seven and four. Why would you want God to get a man everything? So you won't God to make somebody seven foot five, give them fast, rich fiber. What?

He got it. So man, he go fast, rich fiber. What? He got it. So, man, he can be special. I mean, yeah, he can, he can pass the ball. Yeah. And, uh, I think the thing is that what I've been most impressed when I hear him talk is that he wants to be great. And he takes this and he wants to take the steps necessary. Cause a lot of people talk about being great, but do you understand the steps that it takes in order for you to be great? So you don't roll out of bed one morning.

So, you know what? I think I'd be great. Mm hmm. Great today. Now you live that every single day. Oh, yeah. Every single day. What you do, how you approach the game. I mean, listen to people talk what they are saying. What does everybody said about LeBron? The steps first in last to leave shooting, getting the shots up.

Coal to heart to physical this that hyperbaric chamber still everything what you hear about it. Yeah, discipline. You know, no shortcuts. No shortcuts. Sometimes, you know, people fall when they get that money. Now, you have. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes people fall and they just

going through the motions once they get that money. That's what I didn't know. That's what I don't know, Joe, is that. Yeah. My thing was when I got the big payday, I wanted I wanted you to show within a year or two I was underpaid. is that my thing was when I got the big payday, I wanted you to show within a year or two, I was underpaid.

I wanted to get to the, I was like, well, y'all just gave me this, man, please. I'm finna go get the next bag. And with basketball players, think about it, Jason Tatum making 320, 330, dude, Jason Tatum 26, his next contract gonna probably be 400 million That man's gonna make a billion dollars just in basketball no endorsement Just basketball

right That's crazy. So I Never got after me cuz I've seen it guys get the bag and then they don't train They don't do what they did in order to get that right now bro you gotta be you gotta be hungry I see that keeps it I think I said uh Mark Eaton is deceased right Sean Bradley I think got paralyzed in a he got paralyzed in a bike accident Mark Eaton got run paralyzed in a bike accident.

Mark Hedgen got run over on a bike, correct? I know Sean, I know Sean Bradley got paralyzed. I think he was riding a bicycle. He got, he got ran over the both of them. Mark Eaton got ran over the bicycle too. Yeah. Both of them in Utah. I thought I remember reading that while ago.

Mark Eaton was a tall guy, was a defensive player of the year for the Utah Jazz. Played a number of years with the Utah Jazz. He was an all star on a bike in Utah, got ran over, got killed. Sean Bradley from Mormon, got ran over with a bike, got paralyzed. What's going on over there with them bikes, huh?

Bro, look here, that's why I stopped riding. Unless you on a trail. Oh, motorcycle. No, they're on bicycles. Oh, no. But you on the street. Right. And, you know, people, people don't take, you know, look, they, they, they don't pay attention. No, they don't pay attention.

No. And, you know. And it doesn't take much for you to go down on that bike. They hit that bike. You're on the ground. You're up under the car. You don't see, you don't anticipate how fast that car is going. And it's before you know it. Boom. And like I said, that's why I said, that's why I stopped riding. I stopped riding my bike because I used to ride.

I would always try to get up early in the mornings, try to get out before the traffic got bad. And me and a couple of parties, we go in the mornings, try to get out before the traffic got bad. And me and a couple of partners, we'd go out, we'd go 30 miles ride through the city of Atlanta, but it just got to the point, it just wasn't, and I rode a lot, especially when I played. But it just, I just like, nah, it's not even worth it if I can't get to a, now Colorado is very conducive

because you can get trails and you can go from Denver all the way to Colorado Springs or you can go up to Boulder and never coming in contact with a vehicle. But in the streets like Atlanta and I see people riding in LA and hell no. Especially now, the way the traffic is in Atlanta, nah, nah, you just ask it for trouble. So I said, no, I'm good.

Ocho Carmelo Anthony says he wanted to leave the game because of basketball after a young player called him, uh, we're playing in Denver. This is the first time I played in Denver in a long time. I go back, Michael Porter's guarding me. I catch it on him quick, right elbow, just like that. Catch it, post, quick, jab, go left, lay up, boom. He like, damn, I ain't know you still had that.

No, hey, Mello funny, man. I just did a podcast with Mello and Rudy Gay last week. I really enjoyed that, hearing their stories, some of their basketball stories, some of the things that they've been through to get, you know, get to the point, and when they knew they were at the end, you know, of their career. So, man, that was very, very, very, very enjoyable, man.

And damn, when you think about it, if you watch Mellow highlights man, Mellow one of the greatest scores of all time, one of the greatest players of all time. And it was dope just to be in his presence and obviously Rudy Gay is very good at his craft as well. So just being in their presence and talking sports and what it took for us to get where we got to

and how our paths were all different but the end goal was all the same. For sure. That was dope. That was dope. The thing is that I noticed as I know my time was I just couldn't give it to you like I once could. Yeah, I could put the games together when I was in my prime.

I could give you games. I can give you 100 and 100 and 190 and 80. As I started to get older. My mind say, oh, yeah, oh, but but right, right, right, right. But the body, the body can't do it. I can have that one big game. Hence, in my 13 year, I broke the NFL record

for most receiving yards in the game by tight end. Yeah. What was it? 15 or 17? I was that was your that was your 13 for me. No, I'm saying how many the catches I had 12 for 214. But oh, we're cooking. Yeah. You cook it up. But and I ended up that was gonna be a special year cuz I feel oh Joe I had man Had a guy got with a speed coach. I did I started to train differently my body looked different I felt so good. I knew this was gonna be a special year. You was light to I bet you read your lightest that year. I always know the thing was, Ocho, my body was different. I always came into camp at 232. That was my reporting weight.

I always wanted to be 232. Even though as I started to get older, Mike was like, look, you can come in. If you want to come in at 35, 36, I said no. I wanted the pressure to know I had to be at this weight. Even as I got older, I still wanted that. I still needed to focus. They're like, OK, you got to be at this weight. Even as I got older, I still wanted that. I still needed to focus. I'm like, okay, you got to be at this weight.

And so, but as I started to get older, Ocho, I just couldn't give it to him back to back like that. And I could have a big game and then I'd have 120. And the next thing you know, I go 30, 40. And a lot of that, you know, Rod has started to become Rod was the focal point of the offense. That was cool too. Um, but I found myself as I watched myself and I go back and look at it,

I was like, yeah, cause now all of a sudden I didn't have that same. I didn't have that same ability to run through tackles. Right. The least look, I mean, thing, the guy I would, the guys like when I was in my prime guy hit my clip, my foot, I would stumble and still go and still go get your first down guy hit my foot. I get two yards. I'm I have the same balance, but I, but, but, but, but I do.

Oh Joe, you know, you know, you know, yeah, guys know. Yeah. I'm like, but I ain't know. Yeah, you do. You know, if you're on our team, you don't know. Cause I told you. And one thing about it, when it comes to us, we won't be honest with ourselves until we actually

see it on film and you never know until you see it on film. Cause your mind is telling you doing it right, but your body ain't doing it until you watch it. Yes you got to see a bad old show I remember one time I was watching myself in practice on practice tape and uh and I'm like I was like damn somebody moving real slow. Bad, that thing, that camera turned around, he had on 84. Damn, that's me. Oh, man.

Yeah, nah. I said, yeah, I think it's about time. Yeah. I guess it's about time for me to. He knows that he did ask. But like I say, you know, hey, my second. Hello, I think it was my. Game. 13, 14, 14, no,

game 14, because we had two games left. I was off as a player the the week. Went for three touchdowns, caught seven for a buckle, won three times against San Diego. We played Cleveland, we won that game. I think I had okay numbers. Green Bay we didn't play because we had everything already clenched.

So my last year, Ocho, I had like 770 yards, eight touchdowns, and you know, Porter's ran for six or 1600 yards, so we were running team. Right, it is like I'm like I still can play, but I just like man, and those were good. If you go back and look at my numbers, where they ranked among the tight end, I think I was like second or third at no worse than fourth.

And guys were way, way younger than me. But it just wasn't me, Ocho. Right, right. I know what you mean. Yeah. I had to accept that like, man, I'm seeing you down the lane. I know, I know. Damn.

Yeah. Just don't look right. It ain't what you're used to. No, hell nah. It come in to grips with reality and understanding your body can't do it anymore, but your mind can. That's one of the worst feelings. The mind willing. The body just unable.

Man, you know, hey. I mean, if I'm, hey. In my mind, man, I'm more than enough man for a woman. Oh yeah. But the body's in shadow, you not quite good enough for two though. You got to understand that, don't you?

Hey, I think I'm more than enough for a woman. Right, right. I'm not nearly enough for two though. Yeah. So, man, it just... That's a good one. The Volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

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