Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Luka goes NUTS in return to Dallas, Denver fires their GM & coach, & Pat Bev discusses Ja Morant !

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Pat Beverly react to Luka going for 45 in his return to Dallas, Denver fires their GM & coach, & why do Paul Pierce, Rondo & Ray Allen still have beef!04:18 - Show Start04:33 - Intro07:11 - Pat Beverly joins the show10:30 - Lakers vs. Mavs40:13 - Denver fires GM and head coach49:10 - Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo57:10 - Ja Morant game celebration(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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if I'm not mistaken, in the state of Illinois. Average 33 points a game, but that's what he says. I mean, I ain't seen no tape. I 33 points a game, but that's what he says. I mean, I ain't seen no, I ain't seen no tape. I ain't seen nobody's, but that's what he said. And I gotta take him at his word. He ain't never lied to me before. Never talked to him before either, but hey,

first time in the life of everything. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Pat Bell. Pat Bell, what do you do? Thanks for having me, Mr. Oates. Oh, good to see you, brother. Thank you, guys. You watched the game last. Yeah, I pretty listen. I pretty stop.

Go ahead. What'd you say, Ocho? I'm about to say I appreciate you joining, man. Listen, I've always been a fan, you know, for many years, man. I hadn't had a chance to actually get a chance to sit down and talk to you. We was supposed to meet up and talk not too long ago at one of the games, but we were interrupted, so I'm glad to have you on the show.

You was at a game on the other team. The Philly game. Philly game, right. Yeah. Yeah, we were supposed to chat up then. I appreciate y'all, man. Thanks game, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we were supposed to chop it up then. I appreciate y'all, man. Thanks for having me.

Thank you. I'm a big fan of the show. I mean, it's, first off, it's, you know, it's inspirational, you know, before we even started the show, just all the ads that you read off that you were part of to be able to do it. No.

No, for real, because if you know, you know, but we do it with football. Oh, so, uh, you know, translate that to me without, uh, demising yourself with, with, with, with, with you continue being you. That's a, that's a, that's, that's a bigger, biggest, big accomplishment. So that's impressive. Maybe if I think our listeners and our viewers, they know when we first started this, Ocho and I didn't have any heads. And Ocho was getting upset. I said, you know what, Ocho? We're not going to complain about it. We're going to be so good. They don't have no choice but to come.

I said, we know we do what we do. We do what we good at. We become great at what we're good at. And they're going to have to come because the people that watch us, the people that listen to us, they're going to leave them no choice. And slowly but surely, we kept building, we kept building. Ocho and I, we just got better and better. We gave the people what they were looking for. We talk about sports, but the stories is what captivated the people. And so it's not an easy process.

People think that you just have a camera and a microphone and everything is okay. It's not an easy process. People think that you just have a camera and a microphone and everything is okay. It's not quite that simple. And I think people that are trying to get into this business understand there's a lot of work. There's a lot of foundation that has to be laid and submitted before you can start to grow it. But it couldn't be, and that's why I always thank our fans. Before we start the show and before we end the show, I always thank the fans because

it's because of them. You see, Ocho got that big old sign. Boost Mobile saw the work that we was doing and the views and the mentions and the likes that we were generating and they thought it was a great combination and so do we. So we thank all of our sponsors and advertisers and companies that have signed on that believe in not only Nightcap but Club Shae Shay and everything under the shay-shay media So we greatly appreciate that Pat Bay of tonight the Lakers win one night 112 to 97 You you've been in the NBA a very long time and you've seen a lot of tributes when guys return

I don't know if I've ever seen a tribute where the guy was as emotional as Luka Doncic was. He was literally crying on the sideline which lets me know he was probably more invested in Dallas than Dallas was invested in him because they chose to move on to a guy that's giving you 28, 8, and 8 over career and averaging 32 in the playoffs. But were you were you surprised at how emotional he was and how he was able to channel those emotions and go out and do what he did? So you, you as an athlete, like, you know how it is when you first get drafted to a team and you've had, you've had failure and you've had success there.

Like you were able to get something, you were able to build something. Right. Especially us, us as athletes, whatever the role may be. Yep. Him getting emotional may be surprising to a lot of people, but when you're forced to leave and you're not ready to leave, a lot of fans don't know how that fits, right. To getting so close, right.

To getting so close to a man. They almost won a championship. We were one piece away, two pieces away from a championship to get that close and to turn around and be blindsided. You right? You know, like, like, I think it's the, the, the, the smoke air with the, the communication part. Right. I think that was the most like, man,

I did everything you guys wanted me to do. You guys couldn't tell me, you feel me? So mixed with all that, I mean, the emotion is bound to come out, but hey, listen, he was emotional before the game and he was emotional in the game. Belt, Belt, Belt. Ocho, you know, Ocho, Pat Bell, me and Ocho talk a lot.

It's kind of like a relationship. The relationship is most hurtful to the person that doesn't want to lead the relationship. See, if you're ready to get out of a relationship, ain't no skin off your back, you're ready to bounce. But when you're not ready to let said individual, the man or the woman, is hard. And you're like, what can I do? Well, in a situation like this, because Luca, they didn't, as you mentioned, they blindsided him,

it wasn't nothing Luca can do because the trade had already gone through. So now, you know, a lot of times in a relationship was, hey, I'll do this, I'll be better. I won't go out as much with the boys. I'll do this, I'll do that. So it hurts the individual that doesn't want to leave the relationship.

But to see him that emotional Pat Bell, it tells me he did not want to leave even though He was going to the Lakers which is one of the probably the most story franchise it Boston in the Knicks The most stored franchises in the NBA even though he was going there He's like bro. This is my home I I think he had just built up, what, just a clothes on a $15 million pad or something out there in Dallas. He didn't want to leave. And all of a sudden y'all come up with all these reasons. I don't care what it was. Bro, do y'all see the numbers? I just took you to the NBA finals. Two years ago, we were in the Western Conference finals. And this is what

you think of me? It's only a couple people.. I don't, I don't think people understand this. Uh, and, uh, Mr. Otrosenko, it's only a couple of people that average 32 points in the playoffs. Yeah. You've enjoyed and one of them didn't have no, and one of them didn't have no hair on his head. It's only a couple of those. Yeah.

And so, you know, you know, you know that like you got to listen, you know what that tells me, Pat, you know, I've said it before. If this was a crime, if this trade and Anthony Davis leaving the Lakers and going to Dallas and look at coming to the look at coming to the Lakers and going to Dallas and Luke would come to the Lakers. If this was a crime, whoever is responsible for it would get life in jail. That's how that's how bad this trade was. That's how that's how bad it was. It's ridiculous for Luke to go out there tonight to have that tribute. They haven't cried and be emotional.

Then they have 31 to the head and finish the game with what? 48 on he finished with 48. I think he had 45. 48 on key finish with 45. Oh Fuck the finish with 45 45 86 with four steals Man, that that's ridiculous. And then every time he touched the ball you if you playing in Dallas and everybody. Oh, yeah Then you got then you got the chance going on and you got a chance about you know insult going on and then you got the chance about you know insulting. Fired Nico. Fired Nico.

Come on, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous man. It's criminal the fact that this even went through. For a player of that caliber. Just based on some personal thing that they didn't see fit and giving him the type of money he was going to get in a year or two.

See, I like to look at it like this, right? We've all seen the stories of when a player leaves and you see fans burning jerseys, right? You see fans, you gotta put security outside. To be an athlete and to see the opposite of that, to see the fans gather together around the athlete, right? and kind of go with the top management. It's right. You feel me? I wouldn't say it's fair. I just say it's refreshing This is what's being reported according to Tim McMahon of ESPN Team sources have said trading Luka will likely cost the team nine figures

Hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few years. This season, the Mavericks are expected to lose millions due to the dwindling crowds, plummeting merchandise sales, and sponsors severing ties with the franchise in the wake of the trade. Numerous fans have canceled their season tickets, and the Mavericks appear no closer to making amends with the fan base than they have that they have deeply hurt this season. Well, it's impossible to repair that. Because you can't get it back.

You can't get it back because you got to think about it. This is the biggest trade because we've never seen a guy this young, this talented that didn't ask to be traded to get traded Kareem asked to get traded Shaq left There have been other guys LeBron moved KD move but to trade a guy at 26 averaging 28 8 and 8 Averaging 32 in the playoffs and you move it We've never seen anything like this and we might not ever see it again

because normally these guys like Luca and LeBron and Steph and the greats Magic and Bird and Kareem and Jordan, they don't come alone. But once every 15, 20 years, you got him. You got him. The thing what makes us all Incredible or Pat Bell is that you got him under contract and he doesn't want to go anywhere Yeah

And you move it listen. Hey, hey Pat You might know better than me your eyes and your ears are still to the NBA And do you know if what? Luca was doing away from the court, away from the game of basketball because the issue definitely had nothing to do with him, what he was doing on the court, was what he was doing off the court really that bad to justify them moving him a player of this magnitude that you just said averaged 32 in the playoffs and there's only one, a few, a few people that have been able to do that Was he what he was doing was it that bad?

To really say you know what we gonna move on from and send him to the Lakers and not tell anybody and just deal with the ramifications on the back end so You you have to understand so I spent some time in Europe and I was able to deal with some some really really really really really good Europeans, right and I dealt with a guy Named Milo's Ted dosage Milo's Ted dosage. He had to have a couple cigarettes in his mouth after the game But that's just how he relaxed right? That was his that was his euro stuff, right? Everybody got something

Everybody got something. So that was his something. I don't know if it was similar to any of that. Obviously we seen the video, he drinking a cold one after a big win with his pops. Somebody comes over, Mike Finley comes over, take beer out of his hand. You know, we hear things about overweight. We hear things about, okay, he keeps getting hurt because he drinks like we hear.

Right, right, we hear those things, but you really don't see them, right? You don't see them, it's just, you hear them. So like, but you really don't see them. Right. You don't see them. It's just you hear them. So like if that if you can do all of that and that doesn't affect your play and you still showing up, not people forget, not only does he show up, he shows up at the biggest lights there is every single time, every single time, like tonight. Yeah. And it's only at y'all know, right.

Y'all been a pro bowl job and in the spotlight, y'all. Y'all know how it is to get that catch. You see that light on you running to you can't see run no more. Right. He's doing he's doing all that right in front of our eyes. Twenty six years old generational town. Yes. You let go. You let go. I don't think you know what? Me personally. I think we use the term generational But he's a transcendent talent

transcendent magic Jordan Kareem LeBron right the guys that we're gonna be talking about for two generations. So our kids, kids. Going to be talking about this. Like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, the guy had a 60, 20 point, a 60 point, 20 rebound, a 10 assists game. He got, what? I mean, how many like, he's got like what?

40, 40 point gains now. It's crazy how great he is. I was telling the Ocho Pat Bell when I first got in the league, guys used to smoke all the times. I saw Greg Towns with the Raiders at halftime. He outside sitting on his elbow smoking a cigarette. I'm like, I'm like, it's really happening. Yeah, I mean, there are guys on that team that would pay we get a break they go to the truck and smoke a cigarette

or Right, hey, they go fired up. It didn't bother me. Yeah, because they that the front of the line We do a win-spree as day in first. So hell up. I'm thinking I need to start smoking so I can keep up with dad So hey, I tell you listen I tell you what based on the latest performance tonight I need to start smoking so I can keep up with that. I tell you, listen, I tell you what, based on the latest performance tonight, some of a precious situation, I would really call it a playoff atmosphere. But I can tell you this, I can tell you this, Pat. We got Beverly Hills. We got Beverly Center.

We got Pat Beverly. You know, Jason kid, Billy the kid kid y'all saw what Luca did look at him fine Hey See y'all gotta understand I've played against him right? Yeah, I got trophy I got trophies at home a first team two second chance. I don't just got one trophy, I got a couple of them. Okay. I guarded him in the playoffs. Oh, when you were with the Clippers.

Listen, when I tell you, and I guarded all of them, you know, I done guarded from Steph Currys to Kyrie to LeBron James to me trying to guard Yokojin the post. KD? I didn't try to guard everybody. He was different. Wow. It's his skill mixed with his ability to put the ball in a basket at a high rate mixed with elite IQ.

If this work, I'm going to keep doing it until it don't work. Right. What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that. We're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season from DJs mock drafts to my top one on one free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL

draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app,, I'ma post you all day long. I saw you guys when he was with the Clippers, early in his career, y'all had elite defenders, you, PG, Kawhi, and he's still dropping 30 and four. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, Kawhi is a two-time defensive player of the year. He's an all-MBA defender. Pat, uh-uh, PG, PG, all NBA defender.

Pat Bam told you his accolades. And he got three, he's like, hey, okay, Pat, send me PG. PG, you better go get Kawhi. It was nothing we could do. It was absolutely nothing we can do. It got to a point halfway through the series, nothing we say again.

You know what? Scratch it. Just let us go 50. We just go see if anybody else can beat it. You're gonna everybody else, huh? Oh yeah, it was trouble. Nah, like you say, he's a different talent. He's a different talent.

And JJ Reddick, I don't think he gets enough credit. I don't think JJ Reddick gets enough credit. The Lakers facing throughout the entire system has to be probably some of the best space and we don't see Yeah, let's see. They have three really good ball handlers and creators and I'm adding Austin Reeves today. They can say what they Yeah, I'm adding Austin Reeves to that boy Kahoot. Yeah, they'd be sleeping on And I know y'all know it was one defender that probably guarded y'all or one wide receiver that y'all seen in practice that was like, hey man, hold on.

He different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you know, it's funny, you know, it's funny when watching Luca as well, we are thinking about all the superstars and you watch the Kobe's, the Michael Jordan's. There's something flashy about their game. There's some flashy about their game there's some flashy about their game and you can see it you know whether it be the skill set

but when I watch Luca it almost seems as if he's moving the slow motion when you look at it from TV it's like well that looks so easy that move was so easy it's not flashy but every goddamn thing he does is effective and it goes in half a damn time I think the thing is what you talk about when you talk about those guys Pat Bevin correct me if I'm wrong When you talk about the elite the one thing they had was supreme athleticism We see Luca now we see yokich and you're like I know right now with two repaired hips and a bad knee I cannot jump Luca and yokich. I bet you my bird bird higher than both of those but I tell you what and Jokic. I bet you my bird high than both of those. But I tell you what, you not gonna speed them up, they're gonna go at their pace and as Pat Belph said, they

know how to put the ball in the basket at a supreme level over and over and over again. And because they can pass wherever you bring the double team from, they know where that man that left to double team from, they know where that man that left to come double him, they know where he is on the court. So now they can snap past it. You see Luke can do this all the time. He go and he passes behind his head because he knows there's a guy over there or he'll clear cross court.

And when you got him, you got LeBron, high IQ and and you got Auster Reeves, as Pat Belph said, that can handle the ball and can pass out of... Auster Reeves now get the third defender. Your third best defender got to guard Auster Reeves. Because your two best defenders, they better, one better take Luca and the other take LeBron. And you hope and pray they have an off night. Because if they don't, you got nothing. Nothing. Nothing you got nothing.

Nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing. The defending off the bench from the wing position is really good. Their ability to generate great shots. Yes. Not, not, not, not, I'm a dribble 15 times and I'm a shoot a step back, right? You might see that from Luca from time to time,

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But Lucas can't rejected the idea for tonight's game, but Lucas Camp rejected the idea. Team sources told ESPN that the Mavs had also lined up a lucrative sponsorship deal for Wednesday's game with multiple companies that Donchich endorses, but those deals fell apart after Donchich's camp declined to give his blessing, pointing noted that he now plays for the Lakers. I mean, you got... You got some eight-figure deal, and Luke said, nah, I'm good. I don't... Hey, Pat Bab, I don't give a damn how mad I am. You mean to tell me you got eight figures for your boy?

Let me get at that. I'm getting all 10 deals, all deals that start with 10 and go upwards. I got that. I got that. I got that. I got that. Got to have that. Definitely got to have that.

Yeah, but these are the type of deals that can set you back for a long period of time. Now I think they're going to be OK. I tell you, you got to think about it now without Kyrie. Now you can't carry back who the supreme score, who would be the unbelievable AD in the pick and roll. I think they're going to be OK. I think they're going to be OK, Pat. I really do. But.

Yeah, yeah, Mayor. I just I just from from from from a standpoint of from a standpoint of like, okay, we see the trade, we hear the fire Nico, but we in his defense, right, because everybody had a day, right? Everybody had a day in his defense. How does this look five years from now? Right? How does this look five years from now? Like we seen how I look before Kyrie got hurt.

Before Kyrie got hurt, they didn't lose a game. Right? I mean, so it was just bad timing. It was a lot of bad luck and a lot of bad timing with that. The trade happened and damn near the whole team go down. But we got to, everybody got their day. Let's see two to three. The question is, are they gonna give Nikko,

because look, people keep blaming Nikko. Pat Baev, you know this, a deal of this magnitude, you going all the way to the top. This is what we got. Now, next year, this year or next year, we're gonna have to give this man a super max contract, which is five years, $345 billion. You give it to him.

Exmeditiously. I agree. See, AD is going to want to, is going to want a three year deal at a supermax number at 193, maybe 200 million. You wait one second. You wait. We got, we got to take care of some over here first. Okay.

Because at a time, AD was taken care of first and somebody else had to wait. Correct. Right. So that's the pecking order. AD got Kyrie coming up too. Okay, well, after Luca, Kyrie, we're gonna get to you A.D., we gonna get to you after that. Wow. Mm-mm.

We talk about pecking order, though. Yep. This is, if all of us is GMs, I believe that'd be the pecking order. I ain't getting rid of Luca. Right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly the same way.

Hold on, if all of us was GMs, Luca would still be in Dallas. I'm talking about, we'll be trying to decide what new blue we go wear on our jerseys. Look here, if I got Luca, he could come in with a keg. I'll put his ass in the game. As a matter of fact, he want to smoke, well you can't smoke in the building, but I'm saying, hey, I'm going to have a designated area. Hey Luca, go get you a couple of pulls. Hey, get a man a vaping pin or something. Hey, pin and I have some beer

waiting for me to every game. What beer you want? Yeah, yeah. But so, but we still got time to see. We gotta see, Niko, you know, he pulled this off. He might pull something else out of his sleeve. So you gotta get, everybody got their day. So he gonna have his day.

Yeah. Pat, as I mentioned earlier, if the Lakers win one more of their final three games, they get the number three seed. Yeah. In a scenario, what would be the worst first round matchup for the Lakers? Would it be the Clippers? Would it be the Warriors?

Would it be the Nuggets? Would it be the Grizzlies? Or Minnesota? Who do you think the worst case scenario match up for them would be? so It was different from a long life from a long time. It was different. I felt like the older LeBron got The younger the league at and everybody just kept picking on the Lakers picking on the lake They can own the Lakers right taking advantage right taking advantage of Lakers. I'm a angle loud This might be one of them because you know

You get that that that team in the playoffs. It ain't about schemes ain't gonna lie, huh? This might be one of the, because you know, you get that team in the playoffs, it ain't about schemes, it ain't about plays, it's all about size, it's all about matchups. Right. Half court's it. It's all about size and matchups. Who can generate the most points half court?

What the Lakers can do with that team, with that coach, with those three ball handlers. I Think they are mismatch for everybody in the West. No one no one in the West can guard Luke. No, nobody We've seen it like we've seen it We've seen it and Phoenix when they got them out of there. We've seen it like we okay. Come on, Minnesota Yeah, Rudy Goldberg come on you player of the year. Oh y'all young too. I come and let me holler at you. We've seen it It was so we did the okay seat last year. We've seen it Like it ain't like it's a surprise like we actually watched it on TV like them

Luke Luke it I gave him 30 again like we've seen it. So like I Think the Lakers might be that I think the Lakers are that team. I think they're bad. No one wants to see the Lakers. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on now Pat. Now listen I've heard I've heard many discrepancies when it comes to the Lakers about their they're they're they're not having a big. Do you not see or worry about them not having a big when they face certain teams especially the teams that unnamed and only being able to go small. And when they do have to go big, LeBron sometimes having to go down to the five

Jackson, he's not playing as many minutes at the five and sometime being a foul trouble. So my thing is this LeBron is naturally at the age he is and how his body is made up. He's naturally a four five is type anyway right now right because the league is changing right not because of skill set because the league is changing right he can be the backup for he can be the backup five on any any really good team right my thing is it's it's ways to defend the rim without

having a shot blocker if you if you got if you tighten that if you tighten those gaps up and you make these teams shoot threes, ball don't get in the paint. If you got these defenders like Rui, and Rui was great tonight too by the way. He was. Big body. He was phenomenal. You talk about Benny Smith Jr. You talk about Vanderbilt, right?

You talk about these wings. They all look the same size. They all dive on the floor. They all got a little, little muscle and a little gristle to them, right? You talk about these guys. You don't need rim, you don't need rim protection. If they can't get talk about these guys you don't need rim you don't need rim protection if they can't get to the paint you don't need you don't need rim protection mmm and the thing is you're gonna get great in the half court you're gonna get great shots because eventually and you saw

this tonight you saw this against O'Casey you see this a lot they're gonna blitz Luca they gotta get they gonna make him give it up if you don't you gonna point if you there's not a defender that can deal with Luca one-on-one. You gotta make him give it up. And you'll find out early on how soon you're gonna have to make him give it up. Because he's gonna test you, because he's gonna shoot a couple of step-backs early to see if he can feel it. Now when you defend that, now he gonna get by you, he gonna stop, you gonna rear end it, and he gonna bid and one. So soon you'll start blistering, making him give it up. But he's giving the ball up to LeBron James. He's giving the ball up to officer ease

Let us think it for the first time LeBron James is gonna go into a playoff series And he's the second best player on his team And twin took it 22 years for it to happen Pat Bell, but now he's the second best player on the team And that's not that's not because LeBron is a lack of talent or anything, right? No. Right? That's not because of that. That's just because they have some other really good playmaking players over there.

Look at the gym. Right. And people don't understand when it comes to basketball, like spacing, and especially in the playoffs, spacing and rebounding are probably the two most incredible things that you have to do. Rebounding like I break it down to football turns. You get hand on that ball, that ball get loose. You can't drop ball, you can't fumble ball.

Not this game. Right. Not this game. You could get away with it. I don't care how you do get away with it, but this game you can't do it. Rebounding is exactly the same way. So if you doubles him in Luca, right? You got two guys on him. He passes out to a guy who misses a three.

Now you're rebounding the shot. Yeah. Right. That's the, that's the, the, the, the, the give you get from, from, from trapping. Okay. You guys might trap. We might, you might have to shoot a shot that a guy can't shoot, but we're going to get a good rebound now cause y'all space that stuff.

Right. Those who know basketball. That's what the, that's what the warriors do. See, people think because the warriors are small, they can't rebound it. Well, if you just playing conventional basketball, you would be absolutely correct. But because they shoot the three and now you're scrambling because they swing the ball and you try to run somebody off, you're out of position. The ball goes up. Now you're scrambling.

Now Moody, Pod, Draymond, Moody, all those guys are getting rebounds and you like what they are Little last team out rebounding us by 10. You look up you like Damn, we got our rebound about his small-ass team. Yes Yeah, and because like you said they got three guys that could pass and the thing if the Lakers be look Normally when the bench gives them like 20 points the Lakers are hell to beat because you know You're gonna get at least somewhere between 75 and maybe 90 from the big three Yeah, you're gonna get that if you get 20 agreed They're gonna be hard to beat they're gonna be hard to beat

Yeah And really if you go back and look at the West, the only big, the only one team to have a big that can punish the Lakers and that's Yoke. That's it. I'm not worried about. Look, I'm not worried about Hardenstein. I'm not worried about Chad. I'm not worried about I'm not worried about anybody big in the West other than Yoke. The question is, the problem with Denver is that it seems like when Jamar Murray

gets to the playoffs, he's like, oh, I'm supposed to be Maddie Johnson. I'm supposed to be one of these all-time historic great guards. And he goes crazy, especially against the Lakers. Yeah. Yeah. But I think this year, though, I'm gonna lie to you. I think this year, you all know, we all athletes, we all have done it. I don't care how good your team is. If there's any type of dark cloud, any type of negative energy, right? You lose a coach, it takes a lot more energy

to be focused on, okay, let's win a championship. Right? Right? A famous coach, Doc Rivers, told me, he say, Pat, I do basic stuff because I want my players to understand. The better they understand, the better they cannot be players and just be athletes.

Right, so you got this guy firing, you hearing the new voice now, you guys know the new voice don't sound like, the old voice. Yeah, they don't sound like coach. I can't run up to him and, hey coach, check it out, I see an opening right here, like, it's like Coach. I can't run up to him and, hey, Coach, check it out. I see an opening right here. Like, it's just different.

So that takes time, right? So I wouldn't be surprised if Denver was out of their first round. I ain't gonna lie to you. First round? First round, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, with that going around, I mean, that's just how the basketball, that's how the sports gods are, right? You know, you disrespect the game, you fire a coach like that in the playoffs.

Right. This ain't a Cinderella story. These angels go beat beat everybody like they go be put to test. They're gonna be put to test You mentioned dang head coach Mike Malone and the general manager Calvin Booth was terminated ESPN reported that detention had been brewing between Booth and Malone for quite some time So so much source that that the source described it as a cold war. Denver had lost 4 straight and was just 11 and 13 since the All-Star break. Players such as Yoke have displayed frustration on the sideline, vibes have been low according

to its source. There's another report that said Westbrook's minutes were a part of the rift. It's reported that Booth was questioning, bro, why are you playing Westbrook when you should be playing, I forget the younger guy's name. Pickett. What's the name, Pat? My last name is Pickett. Yep, yep, yep, that's it. And so you look at, yo, he's giving you 45, 13, and 10, and they lost all three. He gave you a 60 point triple double a 40 point triple double and he was an assist short of a triple double on the 38 point game so he gave you 45

13 and 10 over three games man and they lost all three games so my thing is this it goes back to what we were talking about Dallas, right? I don't think this is a problem that was just been brewing this year. I think the problem was lost after they won the championship and they didn't pay Bruce Brown, right? Yeah, you lose you lose your defense and wing guy. Right. I wouldn't say he was the heart and soul, but you lose a little grit.

Yeah, right. Yep. When things get hard, you need a little bit more grit. Okay, cool. They was able to sustain that right. Then the following, they came up short, they lost to Minnesota. And actually, the year before, Bruce Brown had a stellar... He got paid off that Minnesota series. Then coming in free agency, you lose Caldwell Pope, right?

You talk about now you done lost... And as a team, you need the locker room. The locker room is the most important, right? The culture is the most important and and The ability to win games and the real games is not based on the star players is based off the culture The role, yep. So good, right? So you lose these two guys, right? You try to fill a void with Chris Brown You try to fill a void with Watson you try with these young guys pick it right and then you want to go get Russ, right?

You're surprised it doesn't work now and now you have to point blame at somebody you talking about that. They beat us 3-1 In the bubble, yep We was supposed to play that, you know that team we had Lakers, yep. Y'all have 3-1. Yep. Yeah, they beat us 3-1, so I'm able to see this team up close and personal. I'm able to see this coach up close and personal, right? Elite coach, I honestly think he overachieved in Denver. Y'know what I mean? Overachieved.

And to be able to come down there, implement your system, right? Have a two-time MVP that's selfless. Usually the MVP's like, no, give me the rock. I'm shooting a fadeaway. I'm doing this. I'm talking a selfless MVP, right? And you don't make the moves you're supposed to make in free agency and you wonder why your team is not the same team. It baffles me. It actually baffles me. Pat, I was wondering, did you hear what James Harden said, the reason why they're having success? He said personnel. He said personnel. There's only two guys that's not there. And

I don't know what he was trying to say. What was he trying to say? Because he said the only thing is personnel. I don't need to say anything else. Yes. This thing was like everyone knows their roles, right? And as a and and and as a player who's you know, I didn't have a cup of tea I spent 12 13 years in the NBA, right? Right. So like knowing your role and for me to be you know The ultimate role player right knowing your role helps everybody else out around Right. Not only do you know your role now? You can thrive in your role

Right. Okay, cool. I know I know my role on this team is things rebound And if I get it, you know, I get it in the corner. I'm gonna shoot it. That's my role I'm gonna stay in my role now. I'm a thrive in my role, right? He had guys over there Obviously the Paul George we can name the Paul George the Russell Westbro, the PJ Tucker. Remember PJ Tucker was Bones Island also. Yeah. Remember they went through that whole debacle with Ty Lue. They were R-U-N-A-Y. They were, you know, one part of the team. You can't forget those guys also. All that mixed again, talked about. It's hard to win games like that, man.

You got so much bad going around, you can't basketball. How? Cause you got James Harden, look, it seems to be like James Harden is gonna be James Harden. Harden for some reason. Kawai's back healthy. Kawai's back healthy. Zubox is playing unbelievable.

I still, Magic my guy, I love Magic. Magic was out of his mind for trading Mike Muscala for Zubox. Can you imagine Zubox with LeBron and Luka? Or Zubox with AD and Bron? Because now Luka, now AD could have slid to the four like he wanted to play Leave Zub at the five Can you imagine what that would I only want let's not talk about things that what could have been I was there when we traded for Big Zub

I was there. Hey man, we're getting this big center in. I mean, where you from man? Tell me, he from overseas, Pat, man. I bring him in, big zoo man. I had a box haircut. Yeah, I got him right on. Hey man, put some swag on you. Unbutton your shirt.

Take your chest out. I got zoo right. Top four center in the NBA right now. He play it like it. I mean, he's had a 30 20 game a 20 20 game Zub is played up and guess what he can get his points and you don't run that one play for Not one they don't say hey Zub go down there what hand you want on you want to left get on the right block I'm a throw here go down to left. I'm a throw it back all he does. Hey James Harden lay off

Oh, he get it off the rim put it back. I'm not running anything for him. So now I Get James Harden do what you do Kawhi do what you do Like you said know your role. Oh Joe knew every game. I'm number one receiver. I'm gonna get my catches I'm gonna get my ten targets Now I'm sure ain't got a thing. I'd a I oh hold on. I ain't got but one target. OK, the next three quarters, I'm going to get at least three a quarter, maybe four. So when you know your role, like you said, Pat, when you know your role, you can thrive.

And the simpler you keep it, you don't have to think, I can just let my athletic ability take over. I take my athletic ability over anybody that's playing, I'm playing against. And that's what anything right. That's what life. Right. And the minute you started merged to the left lane, you know, that ain't your lanes stuff style.

You start to hit that little gravel. No, I'll stand your lane young man. You try to merge in the right lane. You hit that horn. No man, somebody behind you real quick. Stand your lane, man. You stand your lane. Good things happen. Good man, somebody behind you real quick. You stay in your lane man. You stay in your lane, good things happen. Good things happen.

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Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ray John Rondo recently said he holds no hard feelings towards Ray Allen and wasn't responsible for not inviting Ray to the Celtics reunions. Pat Ocho, will KG and truth Paul Pierce, will they ever bear the hatchet? Is this thing ever bear the hatchet? If, if this thing will ever go away, you won a championship. What's going on, Pat? No, I don't think so.

Right. I don't know personally what went down in that locker room when that happened. Right. So I, I, you know, and it's just speaking of just being a basketball player. I think it's deep. I think it's deeper than, than what people saying. I think it's a little bit more to it. It has to be Damn it has to be it has to be not not you know to hold a grudge that long at that age Yeah, you can be young on the brush but to be you talking about in your 40s now

you feel me like yeah, you feel me it has to be something and and in your 40s now, you feel me? Like, you feel me? It has to be something. And, and you won a championship. It wasn't like y'all got close and he left when y'all was on the cusp. You hadn't won a championship. You had been to another and you know, I mean, come on now, you give a choice. Let's see.

You're going to stay there and play with Ticket and Truth and Rondo, or you going to go play with D Wade way Chris Bosh and LeBron I'm giving you a choice And I'm gonna go play with uh D way So, you know think about you got LeBron and that was LeBron at his apex. Oh Yeah, that was that in the crescendo. You got D way slash it You got Chris Bosh who sacrificed the most because Chris Bosh was a 2010 guy People don't realize Pat Bell how good how great Chris Bosh was when he was in Toronto

He was a hum. You know, got, I got drafted to the Heat. Oh, did you? My rookie year was LeBron James. Rookie year. Chris Bosh was the second best skilled player on the team. Wow. The stuff he was doing in practice. And, okay, you can ask, Donnis Haslem, Jawan Howard, Jamal McGoo... I'm not Jamal, Big Cat, the guy, one of the

coaches in Toronto, I forgot his name. You can go down the list for the guys that was there. When he was doing to people in practice, I haven't seen a four-man ever do that to nobody. Nobody. He was destroying people in practice. Every single day. Every day. I'm a rookie, huh? I'm looking at Mike Miller. I'm looking at Carlos Royo pulling up in Red Ferraris and LeBron James.

He 270 and I'm looking at D Wade. I'm rookie. I mean, that like, oh, okay. This what it is. Right? So like, so yeah, I seen that up close and personal. And I seen the preparation with that up close and personal. Man was in the weight room before everybody, Chris Bosh.

It's sad that what happened to him. It's sad. It's sad. Like he's supposed to go, like he's supposed to do more. You're supposed to hear like more stories. Like, yeah, he hit a gang winner in the championship. He got, he's a four time champion. He's one of those guys.

Wow. You know, mm hmm. I think it is personal to when you think about it. What Rayon said, obviously him not being responsible and inviting great. It's I think it's more than just basketball. You know, it's something we don't know about. And it makes me think about the movie life.

When Martin, when Martin and Eddie got into it and It was personal for years and they didn't they didn't speak at all It's like that kind of level like well damn you can really do that to us After all we've been through and you gonna go play with The enemy and then and then we're gonna chip Yeah, and then when the reason they wanted to hit the shot around the world Yeah, I want to hear it. I'm Ray Allen. I'm Jesus shuttleworth. I don't want to hear they take it I take it out personally. Yeah, but like I said, I just I think it's I mean if what that's been

It's made it's been 15 years. It's been what 12 13 years, but it's time to move You're closer To the end than the beginning. You only got so many more trips around the Sun now I mean, I hope you all think y'all got y'all got I don't know how Paul Pierce and Ticket is they like you say it back there in their 40s Yeah This year's your absolute best years are behind you. To have a penny beat because someone left. Okay, I guess people should feel bad for taking leave in Minnesota.

They should feel bad for a truth leaving Boston. But nobody holds that against them because you went to a situation that you felt was best for you. At the end of the day, guys don't owe guys anything. I gotta do what's in the best interest for me. I'm a business, I'm an entity. I mean, you think Google make a decision based on what Microsoft doing? Or what, you know, Microsoft or Oracle, or Nvidia?

Oh, I'm a business. I gotta make the decision that's best for me. And I believe if the video. Oh, I'm a business. I got to make the decision that's best for me. And I believe if the money is comparable, money is going to be better. Cause they ain't got no state taxes in Florida and I'm playing with Ron. I'm playing with D way and I'm playing with a bunch. Yeah. I'm going to get on that and I'm a grown ass man. I can make my own decisions.

Oh yeah. I got you oh Joe you hear him yeah ma somebody might is it only me cuz I can't hear oh Joe or Pat Bell yeah we can hear you can hear us I hear you are I can hear you I can hear oh Joe too I can hear you. I can hear Ocho too. I was like, I can hear you. You can hear me. Oh Joe. Yeah.

I hear you clear. You're OK. I can't hear you right now because I don't have my ears in here. Sorry. Oh, you hear me. Oh, we can't hear you. Yeah, I see. Look, that's what happens when you talk about age. See, what happens when you get old, you got good. Man got good. Y'all love the key key key and old Joe falling all out of chair.

Pat bill Pat bill stand on the hill. Yeah, yeah, I don't. Oh, oh, he still can't hear you. Oh, okay. What the hell you be? Oh, oh he still can't hear us? I can't hear you that good. Oh, okay, what's up? What the hell you mean what's up? Hey, hey, chat, you know how you walk in a room and everybody be quiet? Like hey man, how you doing?

You been talking about me for the last 30 minutes, tell me how I'm doing. Nah, I told him, and the decision he can make, he can make it because he's a grown ass man. Right. I'm not entitled to tell y'all what to do and not to do. I'm Ray Allen. Yeah, and he was Ray Allen before he got to... Y'all, that make it seem like Ray Allen was not Ray Allen. Do they remember Ray Allen in Milwaukee? Do they remember Ray Allen in Seattle? Ray Allen was him. Jesus, go to work. His name was Jesus. Yes. The first black man named Jesus.

I don't think people realize that. People don't realize how Ray, he turned into a three point shooter, but Ray was going to the right dunking on folks. His role changed and he knew his role. Ray was giving folks that business. Yeah, he was legit. I'm gonna need your expertise on this one.

Jah threw a grenade at the crowd the other night. You know, he can't do that anymore. He can't do it. Pat, if you was in the locker room with Jah, what would you sit down and talk to the young brother? What would you tell him? I wouldn't try to, right, because I was in the locker room with Anthony Edwards too, right?

So my job in the locker room is, man, look, I ain't here trying to be your daddy, but I'm going to try to be a brother, you feel me? You know these folks on you, right? You hot right now. You just got out. Yep. You just got out. Yeah, you gotta check in every so often.

Man, look, stay off that corner. Ha ha ha. Them folks, they looking for you. Yeah. Calm down. Tread lightly. Just do that for you. Yeah. Calm down. Tread lightly. Just do that for about six months. Them folks go give you everything you want.

You can keep it moving. Oh, not him. Mm-mm. I mean, and a lot of times, Pat, we hear people that's not in that position. Let that man be him. Let that man live his life. Well, that's why you're not in that position. Because I man be him, let that man live his life. Well, that's why you're not in that position because I don't care what

anybody says, there are certain things that you have to do no matter who you are or how much, how big you are. Right. It is what it is. No, but my thing is I hope it's not, uh, I hope it's not going to be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it's not going to be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it don't get to a point where we told you so.

You feel right. They did it. They did it. The thousand hours. Right. They did it today. I have an hour. I have time out of a trendsetter.

You time on somebody literally changed the game. They got right out of there. Not not. Yeah, not because of no no guns or no AI wasn't even doing that. They got them out of that because of, I practice. Do you practice? They made a thing, a big thing and got them out of that. So that's my fear and everything, right?

You don't wanna get to a point where you're such a big distraction that it's a negative kind of tutor that comes to you and around that organization. So you just don't want, especially his age, and especially what's going around now. Right. Right. Especially what's going around now.

Especially what's going around in Memphis and in these inner cities who need that face. They need y'all, right? Yeah. Because he's their coach, right? So if he can like turn that light. Right. And just turn it the other way. Right. And I ain't telling you to go out there and pray to the gods and do all that.

I'm telling you, be yourself, be a basketball player, be swaggy, do your damn. Right. My son do the grid. So so they've taken some type of positive from it. My thing is that just use that big old light, that big old platform you got, John, that just use it in another way. That's all. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. How surprised would you be if Memphis moved John in the off season?

That's the thing. I mean, that's the, that's, I wouldn't say that's going to happen now, but that's usually the next steps. You see a coach leave, right? Anytime we're in the locker room, we see a coach get fired with him off, players get to looking around. And I'm gonna start my next, man. Danny becomes player. Listen, I'm gonna tell you, I have my sources in the NBA.

I'm not gonna disclose those sources because they probably wouldn't tell me anything else at this point. And Pat, I could tell you, I can see John coming down here to buy me. Yeah, I ain't gonna tell you who told me and I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know. So if it does happen to happen later on in the future,

just know you heard it from me first. Man, I don't know if y'all got anything that they won't. Y'all gonna trade them Bam? Y'all gonna trade them Bam. Y'all gonna trade them Tyler Hero. Cause that's the only pieces that y'all got. They're not gonna give you y'all best players. You gotta give them something comparable, Ocho. Right.

I mean, we're gonna cross that bridge when we get there. But I'm just telling you what I know. That's it. Because the reports are. Nico Harris Harris Harrison Harris Harrison, he reached out to Minnesota and made it available. No, that's absolutely not. He reached out to Milwaukee.

Is Yardis available? No, great. Absolutely not. So. But at that point in time, he's like, hold on, we're probably doing too much calling around. This is going to get out. So now, so now Pat Bell, we got to hone in.

OK, our next our next move got to be our best move. Hey, uh, uh, he called L.A. Rob. Hey, uh, he call LA? Rob. Hey, man, how you doing? Yeah, man, I'm good. What you think? Well, you think we can get the Davis off you for a Luca?

No, no, no, no, no. The language was different. The language had to be like this. Hey, uh, ring, ring, ring. What's up? Hey, man, what's going on? How you doing? Hey, I'm good. Check it out. I got something for you. I'm about to give you a Ferrari. You give me back a bag of potato. You could have made me. No matter of fact, I'm going to lie to you. A bag of potato with a hole in the bottom

because you giving me damaged goods. Ooh. Damn, Pat. At least you could have said a Bentley, Pat. Man, you giving me damaged goods, man. I got my goods, I couldn't even eat my goods. I can't play my goods, I can't cook my goods. My goods ain't available.

Right. Damn. Dang. Hey, I see you. But I see you in LA, you driving Ferrari, you doing me like this. I'm down, yeah. And now they looking at me crazy time I fire me. No, no, no, no, we ain't gonna do that.

No, we ain't gonna do that, not here, not here. But you know what, in order, because here's the thing. There are certain people you don't even call and ask about. You're not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tatum. You're not even, there are certain people you won't even call. So the mere fact Rob probably said, hold on, you would really consider trading Luca? Right. Cause Rob is thinking like, hold on.

You're not calling Golden State about no stealth? You're not calling OKC about Shay? You know they're not answering the phone. You're not calling Denver about Yolk? There's some things you need to pick up the phone and call. There's some things, like when we were growing up, you wouldn't ask your mom, dad, or grandma. I wouldn't even bother because I already know what know that for you. Right. Answer no. Every time. Listen, hey, you get you get ready to go in the store with your mama. Matter of fact, she tell you before you

even get out of the car when we get in here. Don't you ask for nothing. Don't ask for nothing. And you better not push that buggy up on my damn heels either. For real. You don't. Hey, you know, we're pushing the buggy up on my damn heels either. For real. Because you don't, hey, you don't, hey, hey, Ocho, you know, we pushing the buggy and all of a sudden they stop. Yeah. And you not paying attention. Or I did not tell you.

You hit that, you hit that lower calf, that Achilles. Yeah. As a matter of fact, hold on. My grandma, listen, I, yeah, I never forget. Oh, you know about Zayar? You ever heard of Zayar before? Yeah. Oh man, I done ran into my grandma into Achilles, not paying attention, pushing the buggy,

and she done stopped abruptly in front of me and I had no idea. Ran into the back of her, and she didn't even look back at me. She just, cool swing without even looking back, because she knew exactly where I was at. Right upside the head. Right upside the head.

Boy, that's Mary's right there. You can't ask for nothing. Don't ask for nothing. We going here, so far so long. Why we gotta go? I didn't get your feelings on this. Cause you know, you, the way you handled this was very, very, very perfect.

The, you had two friends kind of get into it a little bit. How'd that feel? Who that LeBron and Stephen A? Yeah, I know that put you on a little pickle, man. I know that put you on a pickle. Man, man, look here. Stephen A is Stephen A. LeBron felt that Stephen A crossed the line because he questioned him

as a father. You're not questioning Bronnie's skills. You're not questioning my skills. You're questioning saying I'm doing damage to my son by having him play. Bro, he's the 55th player. I mean, there's only 60 players selected. They make it seem like they took Ronnie in the lottery. Right. And if you, I'm not, and plus you have to understand the man had a major medical issue.

Give him some time to recover from that. Now, if in three years he's still mellowing around, okay, it is what it is. Maybe he's a career G-leuer, maybe he's a, a, a, a serviceable role player, but for me, once it tells me a lot for LeBron to do what he did, because LeBron has swallowed a lot of stuff for 22 years for him to approach him in a public setting during the timeout of a basketball game, let's, you know, just how upset he was. He said what he said. Stephen A said he understood. Cool. The problem that I had with Stephen and I told Stephen A this,

bro, you should have left that alone. Once you say you understood it, but when you went made the rounds and you said what you said on Gills Arena and you went to other platforms and then like you added yeast to the story. That's where that's why I was out on it. I mean, Steve and everybody, we talk about a lot of stuff, not just, you know, first take stuff.

We talk about a lot of stuff and you know, he's helped me, given me some good advice and I like to think I've given him some. I just wish whatever happened that Friday night or whatever it was, that would have been the end of it. Yeah. And we made a good case on our, on our pod. We made a good case. Um, people should be judged case scenario.

Right. Right. Talk about the talent, right? Right. Talk about me not being good. Talk about like, criticize me. Right. But don't criticize me because of who my dad is

yeah like you say I'm 55th pick ain't nobody talking about these two bum ass motherfuckers that was number one and number two exactly that's losing every game we don't even know look we talk about Ronnie so much people forget that he was the 55th pick people forget who the first three picks were. Hell, I couldn't tell you. I mean, hardly any of the picks. My point exactly. You feel me? So like, when you dealing with that, right?

And one thing I like about the James family, the way they take the criticism is absolutely... Everybody ain't built for that, though, Pat Bell. Remarkable. Yeah. Also Pat, you know, you got to understand, you got to understand how long they've been in it. How long they've been in it.

So really after this long, you have to think the pressure has been on the Bronx is what? Coming out of high school. Yes, it was the junior in high school. He burst off the scene when they put him on cover on Sports Illustrated, said the chosen one. So he's 40 now. He was 16 or 17 then. So that's been 23, 24 years for damn near a quarter century. He's been in the public eye.

Yeah. Um, yeah. So it's just like, it's just like any parent, if you're in a situation and you can help your child, who doesn't? We see these, we see these CEOs and presidents and these only child. Who doesn't we see these? We see these CEOs and presidents and he's only companies. What did Jerry do all of his kids? Ain't nobody say that was Steven.

They qualified Charlotte and qualified. Right as a parent. That's what you do. You try to put your kid in the best situation and then it's up to him to make the both the best of the situation that you put him in. We got. We got the blueprint from them. That's what we got the blueprint. Oh man, I see these CEOs, they doing this man.

Okay, man, this person deserve this job. If they go hire a Cuzzle over here, Cuzzle, and really did nothing, they still go hire. Okay, cool, we still all that thing. So let's do the same thing, right? I mean, collectively, longevity, you talk about legacy wise, you have to get the first mom a lot of credit, because it starts with her and it trickles all the way down, right? To Miss Savannah trickles all the way down.

You have to get that family a lot of credit. They've done a lot. And to still every time you see them, but then to look so so royal. So like with so much royalty and having themselves on the class is really impressive, especially coming from the black culture, especially coming from the black culture. And this is how I know this. I know not only the James class, the James family is

class personified, but LeBron James as well, Pat. Because you think about his accolades, his achievements, and what he's been able to do since coming out of high school, the pressure being on him, him being able to take it all this time and reaching a milestone of being the scoring in being player of all time and the fact that when he hit that 50,000 points, you know in whatever game that was I Just want to show you because I the rest of the chat is seeing it some some other some of the other people That have been on here be able to see uncle's been able to see it You know LeBron gifted me the 50,000 ball the 50,000 point ball and I just want to show it to you

Just check that out. You sure? Yeah, you know, I was I was I was on the Lakers on that game happen. Yeah, this is the ball right here. You're turning around a little bit. No, that ain't it. No, I know I am play with that ball. Yeah, I'm going to that game. That ain't the ball. No, you ain't. No, that ain't it. I know. I ain't play with that ball.

I ain't play with the ball. Yeah, I score in two that game. That ain't the ball I score with. That ain't the ball. Fat Pans, what's going on with you, Lou Wills and Brandon Jennings? You posted today that you kicked their ass in a one-on-one tournament. Lou Williams, Jeff Keigh, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson. Every one of them both knows, you get on the court with me and I'm gonna dog y'all. What'd you say?

Uh-uh, low five, high five, patent five. What are you talking about? You did it. But so you gotta understand, like, for me, my role coming to the NBA was very different, right? I've been on the team with Ty Lawson, right? I've been on the team with Tal Olson, right? I've been on the team with Lou Will, right? I played against Brandon James.

So five on five segment is very different than a one on one segment. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm able to practice against these guys and I'm the guy that, man, I can't shoot anyway. I got to play defense all the time because I got to say y'all ass anyway. So okay. So they know what I bring to shoot anyway. I got to play defense all the time because I got to say y'all ass anyway, so okay So they know what I bring to the table like you know that guy in practice that no matter you suit up with you man He go give me hell every single day. He ain't go let up right?

Yeah, or if y'all in my case y'all probably was the guy that didn't let up on here I'm saying so that's how it is with me in practice So like I know coming in in the dough like one-on-one in a doe with me, like with me, I'm a different animal. Like I don't stop chewing. I keep going, I keep going, I keep going. I want bone, I want flesh. I want bone, I want meat, I want gristle, I want veins.

Like I'm, yeah, I get wild when I'm in that cage, you know? So I like that. I like that. Yeah, it's different. Hey, I got a question. Since you really got that kind of, you got that, in fact, I like that I like that yeah hey I got a question since you really got that kind you got that in fact you got that obviously most most of us we call it that dog mentality it's not something that's taught it's already in you you already got that so I'm just curious you talk about playing them boys

if you and I were to play 101 knowing that we both kind of think alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw you you think a game of the 11 you could deal with me? Yeah, yeah. Not like, see look, my finger's doing something, I don't even know what they're doing. But not like just because like you play a different sport or whatever, that's not the case. Just the case that I will die out there before I lose. Are you willing to do the same? Hold on, I'm willing to die by a lot of things. Okay. Let me tell you something, Pat. Let me tell you something about me, right?

I owe Uncle $5,200, right? I ain't paid Uncle money in about seven months. Yeah, he about to die before you get ahold of him. Hey, Pat, I'm willing to die by that $5,200, you hear me? This ninja crazy. He gonna tell me I owe Uncle and I ain't even paid it. Oh hell no. Oh hell no.

You gotta tell me man I'm gonna ask before you get on the court. And on the side. Hey. Y'all heard this man be talking about all night talking about yeah I'm gonna run your money we get the Baltimore. Now he getting to him with fat bears talking about he ain't gonna pay me my money I would just you I usually had a small example now i'm gonna give you money anyway I'm just I would give I would tell him pat i'm trying to give an example Like i'm willing to die about not giving it but i'm gonna give it to you

So i'm just trying to get that Yeah, i'm trying to get pat to understand like I'm really like that too And if you're willing to die by that I mean we on the same page right right Yeah, I would I would really love to schedule a one-on-one between us. I come to you. I'll spot you fire to 11 Who me? Ain't no out. Yeah, talking to you. No no no no See this is a thing you played you played professional basketball. You have yet to see me play. I averaged 56 in high school. I was supposed to

Go to the NBA, but I got in trouble. I got suspended. I got kicked out of school So I had no choice not with the school that only had football. So I was forced to do that. You hear me? So I was forced to do that. You hear me? So I got the school set and I could transition into that. And if I need to get back to what I normally do and that put the belt ass on the court, you could be the first one. What's up everyone. It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up

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Now, so so what sports? And I think we all know this with sports. It's a it's the it's the major major component that's always important. And that's conditioning. Right. That's me. That's me. I'm conditioned. Right. I'm conditioned. I just played a game a month ago in front of seven thousand, you know, 18, five and five. You me. I'm conditioned. Right. I'm conditioned. I just played a game a month ago in front of 7,000, you know, 18, five and five. You know, I'm, I'm, they, they, they screamed another language over there. While I'm playing, I'm, I'm, I'm happy my way. I'm back telling on the way back like this.

Right. That's okay. So conditioning is, is, is a part of it. Mental conditioning is the most important part of it. That's, that's, they don't teach you. That's what you can't get in a gym, right? That's that's that stuff I'm gonna just lift and keep doing this rep and to all my muscles burn Until I feel a burn that I ain't never felt before and then when I feel that I'm gonna do some more like okay That's like but yeah, I get wow

Okay, let me yeah, let me let me tell you something about my condition. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can. I mean, I'm going to tell you about my kind of my kind of conditioning. All right. My conditioning. You know, I play soccer. You know.

Oh, let me write it down because I like to be a head player. Write it down. I play the striker. You hear me? I play the nine. I play 45 minute half straight with no break. Run at full speed. You hear me? That's fast.

That's no breaks, no timeouts, no commercials. 45 minutes. That's two halves of those. Okay? That's part of my conditioning. Then my physical and mental conditioning. I take these right here. These called roast balls. Now this kind of conditioning I do at home. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, Pat. You pop one of them, it might be over. You hear me? I pop one of these. You hear me? I put Chan Kim, put her through the mattress. You hear me? I make sure she touch every corner of the wall. Huh? I put on the ceiling fan and I tie it to the ceiling fan and make it go around in circles.

That's the kind of condition I'm talking about. You ain't built like this. Don't be no post it up Pat. You love the jumper. I won't be no post it up who? Man he too killin' man. Hey Pat, shootin' up a jumper. Don't try your back on him. I'm just saying. That's awesome.

Hey Pat, let the three go. Hey, wait, well Pat I love you boy. Man this is a pleasure man. But those guys man they know, they know. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious.

I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I, boy, I love you, boy. But those guys, man, they know, they know those guys, man. They just, you know, they, I get the text. Like, it's funny, because I get the text from guys like,

yeah, man, let's keep running it up for the media. And in my mind, I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. Yeah. Like, I ain't doing this because no media. I'm dead serious. I bust all y Yeah. Like, I ain't doing this because no media. I'm dead serious. I'll bust all y'all ass. I'd like, for real. Like, and we can do it with cameras, without cameras.

How you want to do it? You feel me? How you want to do it? So yeah. So let me get this. I get a sponsor, and I'm going to put $50,000 on the line. So you, Lou Will, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, one on one. Winner take all. Who taking the money? I'mma say this.

You will be not an intelligent man to bet against me, I tell you that. No, we gonna win it down. The winner get it all. The winner get the whole 50,000. Matter of fact add 5200 to that 50,000. I went for that sh- what? You ain't fit to add a mofo thing of mine to it. Hey no. And listen I know as cap when I when I tell a person come on, let's play 100 Let's let's let's play 101 400,000 you go get go to your chase. I'm gonna go to my chase I'm gonna take out a hundred you take out a hundred don't nobody got to be there. We'll play I guarantee you all I'm gonna say no I don't know hey, hey, hey

Brandy jitties How long hey, uh, I got, y'all, matter of fact, I got something even better for y'all. What is it? Right. Y'all, y'all both know, and y'all say y'all got sources, and y'all both know people that's in basketball.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ask them. Just ask them. Hey man, look, if one of them suited up with Pat, cause you know, we don't really know, but if one of them suited up with Pat, how'd the outcome be? Everybody tell you the same.

Like man, yeah, they can play, but boy, Pat different. He different, he different. He different. He different. He different. He just different. He not gonna stop. He still working out.

He still playing basketball. Like he, Pat different. He different. Yeah, so that's all. Are you trying to, hey, Pat, are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you cool with where you are now? You know what?

I lied to you and say, I don't want to come back to the NBA. Right? I lied to you and say that. Like you're a basketball player. You want to keep playing. You want to get a game. Anything you can give it.

Right. You want to get a game. Anything you can give it. You can play, play. I still can play. I still got a good three years left and you feel we just got a couple calls about the one decided to go back overseas and play. So like basketball is always a door open for me.

But again, we speak about longevity also, which is important. You know, I've done a good job, take care of my body to still even be in this position. So yeah, if that opportunity presents itself, I'm a Mr. 94 free to be Mr. 94 Fee to Be Redden so in other words in your claws in the overseas you can opt out to come to an NBA if an NBA team offer you correct? Correct. Okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah I mean it's been it's been a fun ride you I've been doing this for 17 years right I've been doing this for 17 years, right? I've been doing this five years overseas, I done seen the whole world, man.

I done seen Italy, I done seen Russia, I done seen Israel, I done seen Greece, I done seen so many different countries, right? What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back from the countries? Cause I know you gotta bring something back because Russia and Italy and Israel and Greece and Turkey, all the places you've been. What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought

back Pat? You know what I'll just say, I'll just say my mental ones right the people I've met through my journey right the coaches I've had because you know the European coaches are very different than what the NBA is. The friendships I have, right? The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right now if I wanna go to and it look exactly the same, right? I'm able to bring my mom shot glasses from different countries. She don't drink at all, but just to have something that my son brought me this.

So like, I mean, this ride of mine, you talking about 12 years in the NBA, five years overseas, man. 17 years of pro doing it. Inner city kid from Chicago. Muffin, you gotta think, John Shire, me and Derrick Rose, we all the same class.

I was the third best player in that class. I was the last. I'm the only player still playing basketball. Yeah, John Shawty coach your Duke John shire him me Derek Rose. I was the third best player out all of them Wow, I'm the only one school playing basketball. I didn't know that did you chat? Wow Patbab you're 12 years in the NBA you play with a lot of great players. You was on Philly, you played with Embiid,

and you were with LeBron and AD, and you were with Kawhi and PG, and you played with James Harden. You played with some of the great, all 75 players. If you don't mind, what were some of the things that you would think that kinda made them who they are, what they are? LeBron, I'm gonna start with LeBron James

because he has to go first because he was probably the biggest impact in my career. I met LeBron when I was a rookie in Miami and he really gave me the blueprint of being in the NBA and what it's go took to stay in the NBA. Right. He just did all extra shit. Like, okay, we sprinting with the Miami Heat.

He fucking pad, let's do five more sprints. I'm a rookie, what I'm gonna say, no LeBron James? Okay, we doing a sprint, he don't wanna do regular sprints. He wanna touch the wall, you feel me? Yeah, it might be nothing. It might be an extra little two feet, but those extra two feet add up over so many up more time, right? Right with James Harden. I

seen his ability to Take the game of basketball and make it Okay, how can I cheat the game when I say cheat the game? Like how can I get to the free throw line 20 times? What's the gray area into that? How can I use my IQ when my athleticism falls, my athleticism falls and still be an elite skill player? Right. So I learned pick and roll, uh, isolation, the amount of time it takes to get from

an ISO to a, you know, from a switch. Then I go Kawhi Leonard. I've never seen anybody in my life work out like him on the basketball court. Right. As basketball course, uh because you rep it. You know, you might shoot five spots, you might shoot seven spots. I'm going to shoot five, the corner, the wing, the top of the key, corner wing. I'm going to shoot five spots.

Him, he different. He shoot nine spots. When you shoot five spots, regularly you make 10. With him, he make 20, 29 spots. And it's not surprising to me when he plays sometimes that he gets hurt. Yes, he gets hurt because he's putting in so much extra work on a basketball player. Wow.

I've never seen a player, I've never seen a player work out like Kawhi Leonard in my entire life of being on this earth. Damn. His work arts are simple. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. being on this earth. Damn. His work arts are simple. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard.

I'm talking about make 29 spots, make 20 another nine spots, make 20 going left, five spots, make another 20 left, five spots. Your arms so tired and your mind so drained, like you think, yeah, I done got up a thousand today. We gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. thousand today. We'll do it again tomorrow Pat We'll do it again tomorrow Pat

3000 we have six thousand makes in a week. I say man this man's this man different. He did Yeah, we you miss gang you missed the gang winner. You got to make 20 you missed 20 you go back down to 15 I'm talking about when it comes to like and it's not a lot of Ain't no joking in the locker room ain't no Cool 8 to 10 people ain't no cameras. It's me his homie my home for people homies rebound. Let's work Wow So what what he did would like and everyone knows but y know, right, with that amount of work you put in, yeah, you know, you might be hurt. It might not show up this game.

But in the playoffs, he shows up every single time. Yeah. Every single time. I was able to have some really good bets and I ain't gonna lie to you, huh? I had some motherfuckers that I was like Yeah, let me stay away from him. I'm cool Right, you feel me? Yeah, I don't have best they walk in there with flip-flops on a game starting out They walk in there with flip-flops on okay, cool. Okay next two years. They out the league. Okay, cool. Yeah, Pat. Don't do that Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. So I had I had the best of both worlds.

I was able to see people with big names get out the league, and I was able to see people that stayed in the league without big names. I never averaged over 10 points a game. I played 12 years in NBA. I missed the playoffs once. Wow. I got drafted 42. I got drafted same draft, Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them Hmm earn keep earn my keep. That's it More made over 100 million dollars in the NBA man. I earned my keep

You recently made some critical comments about the Sixters wasting opportunities if you were the GM of the Sixers about the Sixters wasting opportunities. If you were the GM of the Sixers, you got Max Contract, Joel Embiid, Max Contract, Paul George, Max Contract, Tyrese Maxey. You're the GM, Pat Bebbit, the GM of the Sixers. What are you doing this off season? This off season, it'd be tough. It'd be tough for me again, because now I have damaged goods. All those players you name, they end of the season hurt. Right. So now I'm doing a deal with a team. It'd be tough for me to even get that off. They didn't play well, they underperformed and they hurt. So yeah, I'm giving you that rare Ferrari. Ain't a rare Ferrari no more. It's got a little dense center, the little paint has chipped a little bit, the muffler hanging back on the loose. It ain't the red Ferrari. No, I don't think you want to drive it. I go loud. I

Don't think you want what I got to give you now. You got an overload. We got to ask him first some first miles You got to ask him second round. I think they put themselves in a position to either be really good or to be really bad Well, I mean when you got the contract and B, you got three years coming at one hundred and ninety three million. You got Paul George got a he's gonna pick up that fifth year option. He's gonna pick that up. So you basically basically you got Paul George for another four years. Excess of two hundred million. Tyrese Maxey. I think Tyrese Maxey is he's he's all come in all star. He's phenomenal. But I think Tyrese Maxey is he's all coming to be an All-Star. He's phenomenal. But I just don't know what you're gonna do

with Joe LMB with his injury history, with his age and that contract. Paul George, his injury history is a blake, his age and that contract. What could you possibly do? You know what? You gotta let it play out one more year, right? And then like we said, with anything with basketball, the first person to go on, the player is the coach. Right? And I played for Philly. I played for that beautiful city, y'all.

I played for Nick Nurse, right? I played with Joelle. I know how nice she is. I played with Tyrese Maxxie when he got most improved that year. I know how good he is. But you go feel a lot of pressure from that city. I don't know Philly. Yep. Philly a different city when it comes to sports. When it comes to sports, Philly take they they take they they sports. They go to sleep with it. They go to sleep with their sports. They drink coffee, coffee mugs. They got Philly's cup.

They go to sleep. They wake up with their sports. If you don't do something fast with that, no matter what it is, and don't do the wrong thing, and the wrong thing, you get rid of Joel. You get rid of Joel and this don't go right, yeah. You talk about losing for a lot of years. Right. But if you get the right doctors in, you get the right medical staff,

and you get the right locker room pieces around them, that maybe you guys don't feel hurt. You feel me? Maybe you guys, maybe you guys don't feel hurt you feel me? Yeah, we maybe you guys I ain't gonna lie if you got ten games to go Right and you you need to win seven on to make it to the playoffs that knee that was hurting They don't feel that bad right today Right, but if you got ten games to go and you got to win eleven of them Yeah, I don't want to play tonight

And you got to win 11 of them. Yeah, I'm cool. I don't want to play tonight. It's just different, huh? Right? They just need, they need a coach. They need a coach. Anything that involves winning, regardless if it's a company, it's a football team, it's a basketball team, it's a karate unit with 10-year-olds.

You need coach. You need a coach in order to be good at anything. You need the right coach. And this year they, you need culture. You need culture in order to be good at anything. You need the right culture. And this year they didn't have it. Pat, I look at, Ocho and I, we had a discussion and I said, I looked at it like this. Joel Embiid, end of the season, he played in the post season but basically he was on one leg.

Why not have the surgery on the leg or rest the leg if surgery wasn't required? Why go to the Olympics? And I understand the Olympics, America has done so much for Joel and his family, has made him rich but wild is beyond his dreams. But he had a talent, he parlayed that. I don't get going to play for the Olympics. And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not gonna allow Joel to play.

Because I got two, $300 million tied up in you and you spent the half the season, the majority of the season injured. Do you think he should have played in the Olympics? If you're George Harris and you own the Sixers, are you allowing your injured player who injured the season, the last part of the season and in the postseason was injured, are you going to allow him to play or are you going to say you need to have surgery or you need to rest to make sure you're healthy for the 76ers? So throughout that whole year, they knew that the team came up short the year before.

So being around the NBA at that time, you heard a little chatter, right? You hear a little chatter. Joel playing, KD playing, Kai, you plan Steph Curry plan. The bronze, he playing and you plant like you start you start hearing about. Yeah. And now it became not everybody playing all the top dogs playing. Yeah. Right. You didn't want to miss a seat on that bus because what they did,

they go down in history, right? They will go down in history. So with that, with the states have done, you know, in his defense, in his mind, he was like, you know, Pat, like, feel me? Like, man, like my son was born here. Feel me? Like I was born here. I'm putting on for the little home.

Right. You can't go against that. Uh, right. I'm putting, I'm putting on for my son so like I thought I thought what he did The decision he made I thought I thought it was a fantastic decision, right? I thought him coming up when it went and go I thought he was gonna take that momentum and go back to Philly because in Olympics he seemed he seemed in great condition. He seemed to be lead condition He didn't seem like you know, like he was great condition. He seemed in elite condition. He didn't seem like he was dragging or anything. He looked really good.

He was probably one of the reasons, the main reason he hit the mid-range shot when US couldn't score right there on the right wing over Jokic, I guess. Yeah, Serbia. Serbia. Yeah, he hit that shot. That was a big shot. People don't understand.

That's probably one of the biggest shots because USA couldn't score. He hit that shot, they go on, Steph Curry do his thing, LeBron do his thing, but they win the game. They brung home the gold. I can never fault a person who put on for his country and brought us back gold, uh? No, but if you Josh Harris

and you got $300 million tied up in him, you can fault him. Yeah, yeah. If you Josh Harris, you're looking at it from a whole different business. Absolutely. Yeah, you're looking at it from a whole different business. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, you're looking at it from a business point. Yeah, I hear you. I hear that. I hear you. But yeah, we gonna need we gonna need gold and Philly too. So yeah, it goes both ways. I'm glad I'm Josh Harris. I'm glad I... That's a hard job to have. Yeah. That's a hard job to have.

Because you shelling out money because here's the thing, and you had, what's the gym in Philly? You had him in Houston. But you talking about the DM I walk on the bus, I say, hey, Deremore, you trading me? No, Pat, I ain't trading you. I was trading three days later. Damn.

And you know me, I'm 12 years in, and I know him, he came and got me, you feel me, he came and got me he feel me came and got me in Europe So he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my first contract. So it's my mama Noah So you really can't be mad even though he traded you can't be mad cuz he brought you that's my man Yeah, it ain't personal business, but yeah, I got on the bus. I got right on the bus. Hey, Darrell What's going on? I see you on a lot of away games lately, man. I know trade about to go down. I'm getting traded Oh, no, Pat. You cool. Yeah, Pat. You going to Milwaukee. All right, cool

I know the business uh, you feel me? But if this ain't no workout because he extended Joel and bead when he didn't have to It's easy to give somebody else money away Pat as opposed as opposed to spending your own. Josh Harris, hold on. You bought in Paul George, gave him a five, basically a five year deal when it seemed like the Clippers was only willing to go to three. You signed Joe Allen Beade when he had two years still left on his deal and you gave him a three year extension at a one 93. This better work out.

You gave Nick Nurse the bag. Don't forget about that. This is going to work out. You gave Nick nurse the bad. Don't forget about that. It better work out Pat. You gave Tyrese Maxey the bad. So you got three guys basically on a, on a max contract. Yeah, I just, it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. I think this is years out.

I don't think this is something that can just turn around instantly. I think, again, I think they got to fix what's, what's in the locker room. Right. If it's a star player, if it's a superstar player, if it's the kid who you draft or if it's the role player who wavings out, you got to get that, you got to get that culture together. And once you get that together, you can kind of navigate your way through basketball games. That's the easy part, but they got to fix that locker room. They got to fix the culture, that organization back. They got to get it back.

I gotta fix the culture of that organization back. They gotta get it back. The Volume. What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that. We're gonna be bringing you 40s and Free Agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season.

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