Club Shay Shay - Nightcap- Hour 1: Mahomes sensational, Saquon dominates, Schottenheimer hiring

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

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So the team that the Kansas City Chiefs will face in the Super Bowl are the Philadelphia Eagles. And they crushed the Washington Commanders 55-23, setting a new record for the most points scored in an NFC Championship game. It's the fifth time the Eagles have made the Super Bowl and their second appearance in the last three years. The only trial came in 2017. Zequan.

118 rush yards in three touchdowns. The only trial came in 2017. Saquon. 118 rush yards and three touchdowns. Let me tell you something, right? Let me tell you how I knew Saquon meant business. When they ran the ball on the first drive and the safety came down, hold on, the back of the back of the move that they got for something. I'm like, how you getting washed? How you getting washed like that?

Saquon bounces outside, then the safety coming downhill. He arm tackling. He arm tackling. I'm like, what, what are you doing? He ran right through that, went and scored, and his lineman came to celebrate, and he looked at his lineman and said, nah, we ain't doing none of that.

Ain't none of that. Just shake my hand. And went to the sideline. I said, man, you know what? Boy, the game over. Right. The game is over. The game is over based on he really meant business about it.

He really meant business today. I'm coming here with one sole purpose. Oh, Joe. I'm gonna run the ball straight down that throw. And he set the tone right off jump. Now the commanders has him opportunities to play some good ball but um you four turnovers? All of them. It's Gortle.

Got Poinsett. All of them. You can't win like that. You can't win like that. You just can't. There's nothing you can do. Jaden Daniels as good as he's been all season long, phenomenal play.

He's been great. In a game like that, in order to have a chance, you can't turn the ball over. Special teams, it hurts you. Yeah, because they score the touchdown and guess what? They kick it out to you. And you get right back to them

and they get another one. So that means not only that, it puts the pressure and it put the onus on the offense and Jane Dam's, now you got to play perfect, damn near perfect football. You got to play damn near perfect football and it makes it impossible for you to do so. You can't beat yourself. You can't beat yourself. And that's exactly what the commander did.

Cause it's gonna be hard enough to beat them. Yeah, I mean, careless turn on me. You get the ball punched out. Uh, uh, you run into the back of the guy, and the ball comes out, and you know, uh, Eckler gets the ball, he gets up and boom. Uh, punches it out, he gets it punched out, and then, uh, Jaden threw a, uh, a pick late in the ball game in the end zone.

Yeah. Um, Michael made a great interse... Uh, uh, what's his name, Ojo? Creon, Creon. late in the ball game in the end zone. Yeah. Michael made a great interse- What's his name, Ojo? Creon, Creon. Oh, Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah, he makes a great interception on that play. But when you turn the ball over

against a team like this in their building, and they're firing pretty much on all cylinders because you look at, you look at Jalen Hurts, 20 of 26, 246 a touchdown, then put the ball in harm's way. They ran the ball 36 times for 229. You see the difference? You see the difference.

Hey, Baltimore, hey, Baltimore, at some point in time, Todd Monkey, y'all gonna learn y'all lesson. You see what they do? You see what they do, even when he get hit in the back lesson. You see what they do? You see what they do? Even when he get hit in the backfield. You see what they do? You know what I like about today?

I like the fact that they ran the ball, right? And even I've been arguing about, you know, the passing game. Jalen Hurts, get the ball to A.J. Brown, you know? Just give him a shot, even when you see what I want. You know, anticipate. If you see one on one, and you see the safety in the middle of the field,

you don't have to haul the ball away from him to get open. Even if he's even, that's A.J. Brown. You trust him. You know, you throw the ball up to him, that ain't 50-50 with young Bull. That ain't 50-50 with him. That's 70-20. He coming down with that nine times out of ten. Nine times out of ten. So the first first time there was a blitz that came and he held the ball waiting to see

if he was going to beat Latimore. It didn't work. They punted the ball, they got the ball back. The very next series is fourth and the five. Fourth and five. Oh, fourth down, I saw the play. That might've been Jaylen's best throw. That might've been one of his best throws of the year, Ocho.

Perfect, in the bucket. He can't throw it in the battle. There you go. You give somebody like that, you give somebody like that a chance. Just give him a chance. Put the ball in the vicinity, put it in the area. He's gonna come down with it nine times out of 10.

Yeah. Yes, sir. One of those Santa Claus throws, he dropped it down the chimney. The game was brilliant. It was brilliant on both sides of the ball. Special teams, Jalen played well. Saquon did what Saquon was gonna do. He set the goddamn tone at the beginning of the game.

Set the tone at the beginning of the game. I knew what time it was. Absolutely. And now, now, and because he did that, now I'm pulling a little bit of coverage because I gotta get down. I can't guard this guy with a light box. I got a question for you. I got a question for you.

I got a question for you. I can't, I can't stop it. Listen, Spags loves to play two shell. Spags rarely has somebody down in the box. So what's gonna happen? Yeah. Are we gonna trust my front four to get home? The Cheesem boys done what the Cheesem done.

Or you take, or you take, I mean, I don't think they have, they don't have, they don't have, they don't have any qualms with putting McGuffey on Brown and then playing cover J.B. Wells. They won't bat an eye. They won't bat an eye with that matchup. But the thing is that the tight ends can give Kansas City problems and they got a good one in Garter.

Now, Kyle Kutera, he's more of a blocker, but he can make some plays. He can't. They don't throw him the ball much. He's more of a blocker. The receiver guy is Dallas Garter. I mean, what if... And was he there? Was he the one that threw...

Who threw the touchdown pass to Nick Foles on Philly Special? It wasn't Goddard though, was it? I don't think Goddard was there. How do you count it? How do you count it? How do you count it? If you were spag, do you go small? Hell, can I go nickel?

Can I go nickel and put it? No. Huh? No. They'll run you off the field. I'm talking about on the third down zone. They'll run you off the field. I'm talking about on, on, on, on. They'll run you off the field. Trey Burton, okay. I mean, they count, they count, they count.

No, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't play, you can't play them nickel because they'll run you off the field, Ocho. They ain't got no problem running the football now. See, sometimes teams get, can't wait, I got a quarterback, I'm paying $50 million, I need to throw, I need to show you how valuable he is. That's not what the football now. See, sometimes teams get kicked, where I got a quarterback, I'm paying $50 million, I need to throw, I need to show you how valuable he is. That's not what the Eagles do. Eagles ran the ball 36 times today. 36 for 229.

I would love to see the Chiefs. I don't know how the Chiefs stack up against the run. I would love to see those numbers. They put you in a situation, don't you know, where you really can't run the football because you're playing catch up. So that's their run defense, is to try to make you catch up.

Now, the question is, can it, because Philly likes to play two shell because they believe in front four and then for Zach Braun is playing out of his mind. A real deal. He playing out of his mind. And that deal. He playing out of his mind. And that front four that they got led by Jaylen. Speaking of Braun, you know what? When you got Jaylen Carter and you got, what's young bull?

What's young bull name? Um, no, number 90, number 90. You got them two boys. Oh, Nolan Smith? Jordan Davis. You got them two young bulls in front of you? Oh, Jordan Davis. Man, listen, but them thing's part of But them thing's part of see like Moses.

If you got any bit of talent at that middle back, yeah, man, the show is yours. Yeah, they got their real, they're formidable. Say, if St. Croix's like, hold on, hey Nick, when y'all stop running that tush push, man, let me get these tubes. Yeah! I mean, what you call them,

Hurts got three of them, got two of his touchdowns. Five touchdowns, yeah, today. St. Croix's better have five tubes. Hey, you know, That's what I be like, I be trying to get here. You know what, stuff like that, stuff like that, too. Hey, come on, man, get out of that tush push. I'm not for going against coaches wishes, but at times like that, I wish Jalen had a little bit more power or call of the offense.

Like, you know, I paid, you know, I paid, you know, I paid, you know, I paid man it would be, he'd say, nah, I'm not doington Manning, you know how Peyton Manning would be? They'll say something to the side, he'll say, nah, I'm not doing that, and he'll do his own thing. And it always worked, I would in general do that. So in situations like that, when you know Saquon has the opportunity to make history, I would change the play to some type of dive

or just something direct where he can get those touchdowns as opposed to the toe-split. Cause on that, on what did that run man? I saw it. I was like, Oh man, you're going to regret going down at the one yard line. Cause everybody go, yeah, everybody get his ball. They're about to get his ball to hurt. And he about to power we wearing the end zone.

Oh Joe, with his ninth rush TD hurts past Steve young for the most all time rushing touchdowns by quarterback in NFL history After street three straight encroachment penalties on Washington's trying to stop the tush push Guess what happened the official said if you continue this weekend award points Because as a oh Joe what you gonna do? Put the ball in the end zone? The officials say, yep, you jump off side one more time. That's exactly what we gonna do.

We gonna put the ball in the end zone. Cause they only going to half a yard, Ocho. They gonna be there every time. Yeah. They stopped them once and it felt good. Cause I think it was Logu that went over the top. Josh Allen, yeah. Kinda like what they did with Josh Allen.

They went over the top and stopped it, it's like, okay. And that was a rule I didn't even know, I didn't even know it was a rule. I've never heard of it either. That they could have ruled a point. I ain't been, listen, I haven't been that good in the removal and I haven't seen that. I ain't never heard of it either.

That situation happened ever before. happened ever before. But you look at the, this was almost a perfect storm for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts, extremely efficient, 20 of 26, 246, one touchdown, no turnovers. Saquon, 15 rushes, 118 yards, three touchdowns, long of 60. Will Shipley comes in, has a 57 yard tuck to the house.

Four for 77. Jay LaHurts, 10 or 16. He had a nine yard run, but he did a great job. His thing is, protect the football. They kept Washington's, the commanders. You see the difference, commanders? Now, last week, you guys got the turnovers. Y'all dropped 45.

This week, y'all give up the four turnovers. You get 55 dropped on you. They should. There's a direct correlation. The more you turn it over, you decrease your chances of winning and you increase your chances of winning. Look at all the teams in the playoffs

that turned the ball over, huh? You know? Everybody going home, the proof is in the pudding. They going home? The proof is in the pudding. I going home. The proof is in the pudding. I got a question for you. It is. But it's-

I don't mean to put you on the spot like this. Yes. Yeah, I wanna know who you going with. Who I'm going with right now? Yeah, I know it's tough, it's tough. Chad, who you going with, Chad? Bad. I know we got a lot of,

I know we got a lot of eating spanans in there. I think the thing for me, I thought from about- Yes, sir. Ocho, to be honest, I thought from about week eight or nine, I thought the Eagles were the best, were playing the best football, they were the best team, and I said it, and I kept repeating it. If the Eagles face the Lions, I'm taking the Eagles. Because of their defense and... Yeah.

Jerry Goff sometimes he turns the ball over. And you turn the ball over and it's gonna be the same thing. If you go back and look at it, the game that the Philly played a couple years ago against the Eagles, I mean against the Chiefs, it was that turnover, that scoop and score. That Hurts got the ball in Kansas City, got their footing and they go on and win the ball game.

They come out the second half and dominate. And the next thing you know, they're winning their second and they come back last year and they beat the 49ers for their third. But when you run it, when you 20 of, no, 20 of 28, excuse me. I said 20 of 26, excuse me. 20 of 28, 246 Ocho. And you get 36 of tails for 229.

You're extremely balanced. Cause think about it, you had damn near a minute. Cause when you take the side yards Ocho, they had 230 yards passing, they had 220 yards rushing. They had 28 pass attempts, they had 36 rush attempts. How many rush attempts did Baltimore had last week? Yeah. Because you're talking about a team

that can run the ball just as good. Yeah. You're talking about a team that can run the ball just as good. Lamar Jackson can throw the ball just as good. Yeah. Tide is just as good. I think the Eagles defense is a little better.

That's me personally. How many pass attempts? They had 30. How many runs attempts? They had 30. How many runs attempts did what you call them have? No, how many did uh, uh, did Derrick Henry? 16. For 80 yards. He averaged 5 yards of carry. You want to give him 16 attempts? He should have had 30 by himself. I understand after double quarter that was They went away from the run. Second, yeah, they went away from the run.

Second. Running it down here. And then it came on the third quarter. And went straight down to feeling scowl. And got back on it. Yeah, this game got on hand early. 14-3 the first quarter, and then they get 12, then they get 13 the second,

so you're going into half, Ocho, you're down 27-15. Like, okay, we get a play, we right back in the game. Turn the ball over, boom. And then, got outscored 21-0 in the fourth. Eagles are, they're home, they're feeling good. They got them turnovers and they're just like, you know what, let's go ahead and step on the gas. Let's go ahead and just end this thing.

We don't need to have any further discussions about what could possibly happen or we had it while you had the momentum. And that's what you do. You see what happens when you get the momentum, Ocho? You step on the gas. And listen, don't get conservative. Most of the time, what we tend to see

is we see the play call and become conservative, trying to make sure we don't wanna lose the game and allows the other teams to get back in the game and it causes the game to be closer than it should be or closer than it needs to be, you know? But you kinda slipped too, now. You said a whole lot of nothing that didn't answer that question that I asked you.

I said, who you got, who you? What? We got a whole time. We don't got to pick right now. Don't you think about how many shows we got? We got Monday, we got Thursday. Well, listen, we got all them days. We got all them shows, right?

Because we want people to come watch. If we already done picked, why they gonna watch? Why would the world gonna pick? No, we want to make sure they watch because I'll give them that third of the show at the live show. Oh, you gonna wait till we get to New Orleans? Okay. Yeah. And plus we got Draft Kings. We got Draft Kings later in the show. We got something coming?

I got it. Well, chat, who y'all got? Y'all got Eagles, Chiefs? I got it. Well, chat who y'all got? Y'all got Eagles, Chief? We just want it. If we get a type of game that we got against the Chiefs and Buffalo, we'll take that. If we get a game like we got last year or the year before with the Eagles, I'll take that. I just don't want no blowouts. I don't want no blowouts. Honestly, based on the two teams that we do have going into the Super Bowl, we not gonna get no blowout game like that.

Because the turnover that the commanders had, you not gonna get that from either side of the ball. My homes ain't turning the ball over like that. Jen and Hurt, they're not even gonna allow, they're not even gonna put Jen and Hurt in the position. We can make those kind of turnovers and make those plays. How do you make sure things are efficient for the Eagles and the Eagles have their best chance

and opportunity to host that goddamn Lombardi trophy? Give that motherfucking ball to 26. Yes. Give it to 26. What is the answer that they gonna have for that? What's the answer? All I need you to do, all I need y'all to do is man on man at the point of attack,

hold your man for one second until he goes by. Once Saquon gets to the second level, man, listen, man, two things gonna happen. Either he gonna make the tackle or he gonna hit his head off the goal post. Yeah. That's it. I'm just interested to see how they're going to the defense, what Spags is gonna employ to try to slow down Saquon.

Because for me, I know what Saquon could do. Heard something, I'm gonna make Hirsch beat me. They'll have to beat me throwing the football. I'm gonna try to push him out of the pocket. I don't want him to get comfortable throwing him out of the pocket. I wanna get him off rhythm. I'm gonna try to push him out of the pocket. I don't want him to get comfortable throwing him in the pocket. I wanna get him off rhythm. I'm gonna make him make decisions.

And I'm gonna make him, he's gonna have to make the right decisions. That's the way I'm, I know what Saquon can do. I've seen his body of work this year. He's damn near 2,500 yards. I've seen it. I know what he can do. So I don't need to get to the Super Bowl

and say, oh, prove it, prove it to me again. Right. In the Super Bowl, hell, he might go for 200. Yeah? I don't want that to happen, Ocho. I don't. So if hurts, throws the ball for, he's efficient like he is,

he has a couple of touchdowns, cause I'm gonna neutralize. The thing is you gotta neutralize Saquon's big runs. It's the big, if you notice Ocho, it's a 60 yarder, it's a 70 yarder. Sometimes he's getting multiple big runs. You got to neutralize that. Yeah.

So if he has 25 carries, 30 carries, and he has 120 yards, and his longest run is 10 yards, you live with that. Right, you ain't got no choice. Ocho, I can't give him a 78. I can't give him a 66 or 60. I can't. Because now that team gets invigorated, the defense,

everybody's flying around, special teams. Yeah. I'm not gonna let that happen, Ocho. And the funny thing about it, the funny thing about it is once Saquon gets going, once he gets going, it opens up every fucking place. Absolutely. It opens up everything else.

The playbook looks like Disneyland if you're running the ball and doing what you want to do. Well, hey, it's, uh, when he's running the ball, now, uh, Kellan Moore's play sheet looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu. You know they got that big old menu and they got by 7-8 pages, they got like 1500 different cheesecakes and they got like 1700 different chicken dishes and another 300 pasta dishes. That's what the playbook looked like when Saquon is running the football

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possible. And with this victory, Patrick Mahomes now has 17 postseason wins. He breaks the tie with Joe Montana for the second most wins of all time. He's only trailing one Tom Brady who has 35 career playoff wins. Since Patrick Mahomes has become the starter, he came to start his second year old, AFC championship game, they lost in overtime. Won the Super Bowl, lost the Super Bowl, lost in the AFC championship game,

won the Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl, back in the Super Bowl again. Has there ever been a better start to a career in the history of the game? The only thing I can think is comparable, the only thing I can think is comparable is Magic Johnson. Oh, that's the only thing. Oh Joe, that's the only thing I, me now look, I go back.

So I'm a little older. I'm a little older than you, Ocho, but magic as a rookie, every true rookie won the title and was finals MVP. Didn't go back the next year. They wanted to get in. He was finals MVP. Didn't go back. The next year they won it again. He was finals MVP. They went back again. They got swept.

They went back again in 84. They lost. Yeah. No, they lost to the Rockets in 84. They went back again. They won in 85. They lost in 86. They won 87 and 88.

So the only thing I can think that can rival this off the top of my head and you know As just through this up here the thing a trivial and chat y'all feel free to chime in If the better start to a career magic is right there with it because magic has what three finals MVP to record He has three MVPs, but it would have to see go back to there, but I'll show Patrick Mahomes is this I don't I don't know what else to say. I don't know what else to say about it. You say it all the time. Everybody says all the time,

when it comes to playing special in moments, when the game is on the line, when you absolutely need it, if there's somebody you want to put the ball in their hands at a crucial time in a game, who else are you picking at the quarterback position out of everybody that's ever played outside of Tom Brady? You got to go because I'm going with my home.

Ava, I'm going with my home. Even with Brady, if I take him, if I take him at this point in time in their careers, I'm taking my home because of one thing, his legs. Yeah. You see the two touchdown runs. You see the first down run. That's why I would take it. Because he can do everything, Brady.

He can make every throw. He can make plays outside the pocket. And that's not the look. We know what Tom is. I still believe Tom is the goalie. Right now, my home just passed because I had him tied with Joe. Right now I got him in second.

Whoa, whoa. I got a question now. Go ahead. Now we have to have a conversation. Chat, y'all got to stay with me real quick. Now we got to have a conversation when we talk about the GOAT. When we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time. If Mahomes is able to go to New Orleans, you hear me? If he's able to go to that Superdome and perhaps pull off a three-peat, we got to have a conversation. We're gonna have a conversation, Ocho,

but I don't think we can put him in front because he's still, even if he were to win, he's still three behind. Now, let's just say for the sake of argument, he goes back to the four-peat, it's done. We ain't talking no more. Ain't nothing else to discuss. If Patrick Mahomes, let's get past this.

You're gonna have that discussion because nobody else has ever done it. Nobody's ever done a three-peat in the Super Bowl era. Has there been teams that win championships? Okay, yes. But we're talking about the Super Bowl. And when Mahomes, because here's the thing, Oshar. On third and four, most teams are gonna run the ball,

burn 34 seconds off, 35, 36 seconds off the clock. That's not what Andy will do. We've seen Andy far too many times, put that ball in his hands, he said, son, I believe in you. Last year, against the Baltimore Ravens, what did he do? He threw the ball to MBS, 30 yards down the field. Andy is not going to sit on it. Ocho, I'm gonna turn it back over to you. I had a conversation with you last week. I said, Ocho,

when Spagsfield threatened, what's he gonna do? He's gonna blow it up. When he felt threatened with Josh on farm down and he felt threatened, what'd he do? Hold on. This is the thing about it. What do you do? Hold on, listen to the thing about it. Listen to the thing about it. Spags waited until the right time for an exotic blitz they hadn't seen all game. Yep. All game.

Spags sat on that. Like, think about that. When you talk about playing chess and you talk about playing checkers, you ain't blitzed like that to that magnitude the entirety of the game, but you waited on the right moment to use that one exotic blitz. And it got home.

He's coming. He's gonna blow it up. Anytime he feels, if you go back and study Spags, especially when he's been with Kansas City, when you threaten him, you get in his territory and he feels the momentum. He's gonna come. He's gonna give you zero coverage, what we call bomb bliss. He's looking to blow it up And that's exactly what he did. Cancain I think he kind of lost it in the life. He misjudged it now This is a because Josh still excuse me. Excuse me chat

Josh still made a hell of a throw to throw it off his back foot give carloff this credit Because he didn't drive him into the ground. He was close. He hit him. Let him go. I ain't gonna get I ain't gonna get no foul on this place. Oh Joe. You know, you know, you know, can, can't catch that ball. You know that we talk about, we talk about something totally different now. Right? We pro, because we're, now they might get a touchdown, but I'm not

begging to get, because you best run and get a touchdown and you lead 35, 40 seconds on the clock and they got two timeouts. I ain't betting to give them all. Yeah, absolutely. Listen, we've seen them do it before. We've seen- I ain't bet to give them. We saw him get the field goal range with 13 seconds. Yeah.

Josh is probably thinking, what the hell do I gotta do to beat this man? Yeah. What happened, what was that, last year? What happened last year is that somebody beat him. Oh, Kansas City with the Buffalo and beat him. He like, damn, I just can't beat this man in the postseason. I wanted home field, I got it.

He come to my house, kick my ass. I go to his house, he kick my ass. So can I go, I need to go to another conference and play on the soubo. And then maybe I just get to the soubo like that and I see him in the soubo. Because he keep beating my tail I just get to the football like that and I see him in the football. Because he keep beating my tail before I get to the big dance. We are in for a treat. We are in for a treat if you have an AFC team,

if you're a Bengals fan, a Ravens fan, a Bill's fan or a Chiefs fan, and I'm trying to think what other teams might be in contention. This is going to be for the next decade, y'all. It's going to be a joy to watch for the next decade. Those four quarterbacks go at it and see who ends up in the AFC championship. But they got to knock the big man down. They got to knock him down.

You got to knock down the big Donald. You got to knock him down. And they've done a great job. He's taken less money. Ocho, he's supposed to be the first six. He's supposed to have got $60 million five years ago. He said, nah, I'm good with this. He's supposed to have got 60, $70 million now. He said, no, I'm good with this.

He said, because I need CJ. I need y'all to have some money because McDuffie's going to come up. And I'm going to need y'all to pay him. But I'm also need y'all if some of these free agents, why receivers become available and we can get them on the low, I'm going to y'all to pay him. But I'm also need y'all if some of these free agents, wide receivers become available and we can get them on the low, I'm gonna need you to get them.

You see, he's like at the end of the day, he's gonna have enough money. And Tom realized that. Tom like, bro, when you got that kind of money, Ocho, you get what they call acquisition. So, hey, bro, I got this big deal coming out for you. Hey, check this out. Don't nobody know about it. For 250, I'll let you get in I give you a

percentage I just read today that Jeff Bezos bought two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of Google stock before it came available now that's about three million shares go Google Google and see how many three million shares is when you got that kind of money do that and people that were damn high guys got that kind of money. Next thing you know, they was making 50 million, had a hundred million. And now they're 500, they had a billion. Ta-da. Yeah.

I ain't telling you what somebody told you. I know. You know, I'm glad to think about it too. Also people in the chat, you have to understand everybody's not as fortunate. Everybody knows situations like that. Most of the time, most quarterbacks in the situation, you don't have the revenue or the stream of revenue and income off the field. No.

So Tom Brady, Tom Brady was different. Tom Brady can take a home team discount, you know, he had a wife, he had a wife that's making $40, $40, $30 million a year. So it's different. It all sets what you're not getting from the team. It all correct. Then you think about, you think about passing the homes, sponsors, endorsements coming off the field.

So the pay cut that you're taking, the loud Andy Reed and the hunts, the build a team around you so that you can compete and be in contention year in and year out, you make it up for it anyway. Yeah. And the hunts have already said, don't worry about it. You never gonna have to worry about anything. Because guess what? After next year, they gonna tear it up again. You know what they gonna do?

They gonna give you more upfront. More upfront. That's what they do. So it doesn't hurt the cat and you're gonna be all right. And you see him, the MLS team, he invested in that. I think he got a piece of the Royals, invested in that. So when you have money, Ocho, if you have money and you're a good person, you're not a jerk, people will want, hey, check this out.

They take pay you. Hey, we getting ready to start a MLS team. When we getting ready to buy this MLS team, we'd love for you to go in with us. We just want your name. Gonna cost you X? Oh, really? Call your financial people, see if it's real

on the up and up, boom, there you go. That's how it happens. But I thought Josh played really well. He did. And Ocho, I told you, I don't need him to be Superman. The one thing he didn't do, see, I thought the game was about to get out of hand until Patrick Mahone formed that ball and gave Buffalo life. I thought that game was about to get out of hand until Patrick Mahone's former that ball and gave Buffalo life.

I thought that game was about to get out of hand, Ocho. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I thought it was about to get out of hand. I said, oh, Lord, have mercy. And then, Buffalo give Buffalo credit. They made, because they came out in the second half, Ocho, and I don't know if you agree with me or not. It seemed like they made a concerted effort

to run the football. Yeah. James Cook, Josh Allen. Uh, I forget the, hold on, let me look at... Davis, Davis. Davis, Johnson. I thought they'd say, you know what? Let's run the football.

They're playing in soft cover. They try to kind of try to play us with nickel, a 4-2-5, let's run the football. And they started running the football and Cook started having some success. Johnson had a run or two, but Kansas City, I mean, I really don't know what you have to, what you say about my homes,

because every play that he made, that he had to make, he found Juju, he slings it to Juju, and Juju breaks away, gives Buffalo credit, kept him out of the end zone on that one. But guys, I don't, listen, Pocha, let's go in, let's go, the elephant in the room. Okay, come on. On that fourth down call.

Everybody said, well, he got it. Guys, I'm trying to figure out, and I was asking myself, how does the guy on the far side of the field, with all those bodies, since he's got it, when the guy right here closest to him said no. Yeah, yeah. Here's the thing, Ocho, he has the ball like this. Yeah.

The ball is not over the line. Yeah. It's because your shoulder is, it's where the ball is. The ball didn't break the plane. Yeah, at all. He didn't break the plane. And the smart thing you wanna do, most people say, why you don't extend the ball?

Man, you extend the ball in them trenches like that? It's coming. You see, he fumbled one of them, you see, he fumbled them. He got it back. When he jumped over the pile, it can't go back to him now you got lucky there that's not it because here's the difference oh chow in the goal line once you break the plane is dead in the field of play it's alive it's still live you go over and they push that ball out and they get it that's their ball so there's a big difference between the two between the goal line and the line that's in the line of play that's in field the line of scrimmage. But I didn't think he got it and when they and when I looked at it in real time I said he didn't get it.

He didn't. Well we obviously didn't. People will argue the call talk about it. Yeah but it's where the ball is. It's where you have the ball touching to your chest and you not pass a line if anything you would have to extend it for you to get the first down. It's with, if you have the ball touching to your chest and you not pass a line, if anything, you would have to extend it for you to get the first down. You can't do that in that scenario in the trenches like that, in that scrum. You just can't. He didn't wanna, the thing is, Ocho,

he didn't wanna fall. No, no, no, no. So he had the ball, he held it tight cause he know guys go, if so, in the process of holding it tight, now they got you wrapped up So now you can extend it or choke up I got my arms around you and I won't let you do This and what you want to rely on and you want to you want to you want to rely on your teammates

He offers the players to kind of push it forward Yeah, obviously the momentum will stop in the cheese. They got to stop. Yeah, they weren't having it Dan I was like, but I was in game though, man. That was a good game. Worthy, Worthy, Schold, he got better and better as the year progressed. Filling in for Rashid Rice. Hollywood Brown was gone. Hollywood came back, had a couple of big catches today. Juju came in, had two catches. He only had three targets. He had another one. Mahomes overshot him in the middle of the field and he jumped.

He overshot him, Mahomes overthrew him. But Hollywood had a big catch. Kelsey was relatively quiet, they did a great job. I wanna, they probably didn't think, I thought Hamlin held, I mean, looking at the all 22 at the high above, I thought Hamlin held him several times. They didn't call it. Yeah, I mean, were the refs did allow them to do,

they allowed them to play football? They do, they allowed them to play football. They did. They allowed them to play a little bit today. You muted Ocho. Yeah, you muted. Well, Ocho was muted., but this was a good game. I think, look, I understand that Buffalo, if you're, you're, you're a Buffalo fan and you didn't win, I could understand your disappointment, but you kept, yep. You back.

Okay. Yeah, I did. I was switching. I wanted to, I want to switch to the mic so I can use the mic cause I'm tapping him with them echo. Now I was saying if, but as far as the holding calls are going now, what I did like about the rest of the rest of the ladder and the play rest of the refs allowed him to play football. We're going to allow you to play football.

Now the holding calls or the, the, the passing interference calls. Now they did call if it was egregious and you were impeding the player from getting to a spot. And they should have. You, you, you got to call some of those. Yeah, you got to. You should have. Yeah.

The one on Mcduffie. Yeah, it was a, it was a P.I. But you can't, Josh Allen couldn't throw that ball in there. But Duffy couldn't help any better cause the touchdown. The one to McHollins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was nice.

That was nice. Oh Joe, Hollins stuck his hand up because what's basically what's called him had his other arm. He stuck it up, the ball's like, whoo. That was perfect. That was a good catch. That was a very good catch. A great catch.

What'd they have? 147 rush yards, basically almost four and a half yards of carry. The one thing about Kansas City. See, Kansas City, Ochoa, I thought they let the game kind of almost get away from them. They started running it on first down. Well, what happens when you don't run up when you run on first down and you don't get positive yards now is second and long now you or second and they got

a couple, they got trapped behind the line a couple of times. So now it's a, it's second and long. Now Buffalo dials the blitz up on you. Now they trap you. Now it's third and long. They get a, you get a procedure penalty. Now it's even third and longer. Yeah.

If you see what happened, they went back and says, uh, man, let's go back. Throw it on first down because if you think about it, until they open the game, they throw it in the first, the first blue, they got this, they knew formation. You know, Andy, welcome to the sun. Come out with a couple of things that you haven't seen before. Uh, but Ben, this was an unbelievable game. I expected it to be what I got. I expected Buffalo to play tough.

I expected Kansas City to win a very, very close game because it come down to turnovers. Now they got one and they turned it into points. Josh stumbled the ball, but he was able to jump back on it. You know what man. Yeah yeah yeah I feel I feel you know I want to say feel bad I don't want to say feel sad but for Buffalo fans for Buffalo fans if you're a Bills fan like you just you have to be happy in a sense obviously you weren't able to make it to the Super Bowl, but every year you're gonna have a chance. And if you keep chopping wood, at some point, at some point, you gotta beat the man,

and you're probably going to beat the man. This just hadn't been you. You continue to get closer and closer and closer, and at some point, it's gonna happen. I don't know when, with the way the Chiefs are playing, with the way Mahomes is playing, I don't know when that will happen. And Andy ain't going nowhere.

Andy's rejuvenated. Andy's invigorated. Because they keep Andy young. Look, I know Andy was in Green Bay with my brother. And so I know Ray and my brother, thanks to the world of him, he used to go to the Pro Bowl and his wife would come to the bar and sit down and have a drink with us and laugh and talk. They're great people.

But this situation right here, at some point in time, we're gonna start mentioning Andy as a top three, four. All time? Coach of all time. All time? Yeah. All time. All time.

You look at what he did in Philly. Yeah. You look at what he doing now. There's a chance in the next two years Andy can have 300 regular season wins. All the time. Yeah. You look at what he did in Philly. Yeah. You look at what he doing now. There's a chance in the next two years, Andy can have 300 regular season wins. Ooh. Mm.

Yes. Three tops. And how old is Andy? 66. I think he's 66, 67. 66. That? 66. That's it. He got a, hold on.

If Pete Carroll can take his ass home, that's how I get 74. Yeah, yeah, you right, you right, you right. Andy, guess what, Ocho? He got my home for another decade. Yeah. At mid. At mid if he wanted.

Now I'm not saying he's gonna coach my home for the next decade, but I'm saying he got it if he won't. So what's the likelihood of Mahomes not winning at least 10 games? They got 17 games. I don't see a scenario where Mahomes dips on the team. I can see he's going to win somewhere between 11 and 14 games a year for the foreseeable future. Now this thing about this notion, and see this is why you got to capture the moment. You believe Josh, you believe Lamar. Go keep knocking on that door, and he gonna get there. So if he gets there, that means, guess what? Josh and I. You say,

Joe Burrell, you believe he go, that means Lamar and Josh is not gonna get there. So at some point in time, you can only have one and you got my home. You got Lamar, you got Joe Burrow, you got Josh Allen. Now those are your four big guns. Those are the four horsemen of the AFC. Yes, sir. Now you got some guys that's on the, on the, on the peripheral. You got a Justin Herbert.

I believe they'll be better. John Hop, a Jim Harbar that's first year got them to the playoffs. Uh, he's right there. Bo Nicks is right there. John Hopp, Jim Harbar, his first year, got them to the playoffs. He's right there. Bo Nicks is right there. So you got, so, but you got the four, you got the four Kings, the four horsemen in the AFC. Mahone Boy, Lamar, Burrow, and Josh Allen. And you, and here's the thing that you got, Ocho.

At some point in time, you're not gonna be able to dodge them all. You're gonna have to knock one of them off in order to get to where you wanna go. You're not gonna be lucky and have somebody else, well man, somebody knocking out my homes, and then somebody knocked out Burl, and then somebody knocked out Allen,

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Hope you could join us for the post-season run. and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run. Cowboys have officially hired Brian Schottenheimer, who was their officer coordinator last year. Jerry made the move and he was comfortable. Now mind you, now remember the reports that came out, made the movie and he was comfortable. Now, mind you, now remember the reports that came out. Jerry really liked Dion and Steven really wanted Brian. So he really, he really wanted a Jerry really liked coach prime, but Steven who's did he, they were really bad. And I came over and said, Oh Joe, that's a smoking mirror.

Everybody's going to go with some blow job, but it was just something to smoke screen. Hey, we talked to Coach Prine. That's our minority. Hey, that's our one token. Boom, we get over that. And the Cowboys notably, they didn't interview any of the top candidates. The Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury couldn't talk

because he was going week to week. So you could only talk because he was in the he was going week to week so you only had your you could only talk if you were in the high week. So Maggie, Spagnola, Eric G, Aaron Glenn, none of the top candidates were interviewed by Harry. Ryan Schottenheimer, again my only problem with you, I don't have a problem, chat, I don't want anybody to think that I have a problem with the hire. But don't give me this bull job. You want somebody that call plays. Mike McCarthy called plays.

Yes. See? We want somebody with previous head coaching experience. We want somebody that call plays. Brian Schottenheimer has never been a head coach. He didn't call plays. That's neither hear nor there. Oh Joe, what do you think about that? Obviously Jerry wants to continue his reign with power.

He doesn't want to relinquish that power. He wants to be in control of everything. And he hired a coach that will fall in line with just that. Basically. And Braith, and Braith, you know what else, not to cut you off, Braith Jason Whitten. Oh yeah, yeah, most brain, you know, what else, not to cut you off, brain Jason Whitney. Oh yeah, yeah.

Most definitely, most definitely. So again, Jerry getting in the way again, doing things his way and the definition of insanity chat, you stay and stay with me now. The definition of insanity is doing things over and over and over in a way you see fit in expecting different results. The results have been the same for years, for years and you continuously do it. Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, now Mr. Schottenheimer. Nothing is going to change until you remove yourself and get out the way and allow people to do their job.

Not to do multiple things at once. Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, not Brian Schottenheimer, all of them. Nothing changed. It's just different names, but nothing's changed. Any of the people that you just called, were any of them challenging Jerry? Were any of them... Jerry? Yeah! My point exactly. And you let him fill your staff. And you let him like, well, I want this guy to be on your defensive staff.

I want this guy to be on your offensive staff. No coach is going to be... No, no, they're not gonna do that. You kidding? That's if it's one thing, you know, I go to a company and I'm looking around I'm gonna give them an opportunity. That don't mean I'm gonna give them But if I like what I hear I'll keep them But I'm not gonna let you tell me what you got to keep this VP or you got to keep this CFO or you got To keep this CEO.

No, hell no. That ain't happening. But this, another thing, Ocho. Now one other team attempted to interview Brian Schottenheimer. Now all I wanna know is this, look. I'm gonna get me somebody, somebody else won't. Cause if nobody else wanted that, you tried to tell me something I don't know. Well, you got to think about it now. Look at the elephant in the room.

Now the coaches that were available, we took our good coaches. And also that were also available that could have come to Dallas, that could have interviewed in Dallas, wouldn't go for the Shenanigans. You think Ben Johnson's gonna stand down, you're gonna tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who can care? Aaron Glenn, I mean, obviously he wouldn't get the job. But anyway, you think the Aaron Glenn

ain't gonna come to Dallas? You gonna tell Aaron Glenn what type of staff he can put together? But people believe he can work with Coach Belichick. Can you imagine him telling Coach Belichick, hey, I want Jason Whitten to come on and he gonna be your coach and waiting. Man, man, Belichick, man, Belichick, attend that goddamn, Ted Jerry's World Down.

Absolutely not. You have to get out of your own way. You have to. You don't have a choice. He's been an offensive coordinator before.'s with the jets for three years. Uh, his highest point is highest, uh, points per game. They were 13th. Um, he called for St. Lewis, the highest points per game was 21st. He also called in Seattle.

His highest points per game was six in 2018. He had two, three top 10 offenses as far as points. He averaged 28.7, 25.3, 26.8. And then that ended. And this was his first four way back as being a coordinator, correct? Okay. So he's been a coordinator. He's been a coordinator for 11 years, has some success.

Orchestrated three top 10 offices in Seattle, none in the top 20 in St. Louis, and none in the top 10 at the Jets. But he wasn't the coordinator though, was he? He was? Okay. Okay, okay. So he was there with, well, Rex.

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So we know those offenses back then, Ochoa was running the football, played behind the defense. It was more ground and pound. But his most success, it came in Seattle. He did have great success in Seattle with Russ. 16 points per game, ninth in points per game, eighth in points per game.

That's pretty good, I'm gonna say. But we know why he got the job. It's because Jerry wants someone that he can control. It's really that simple. There's no other, I'm not going to make it a black white issue because I don't believe it's a black white issue. It's a control issue. Jerry wants control. Jerry wants control because Jerry wants credit. None of the blame, but the control because this thing fell apart. I can't believe this happened. I'm shocked as anybody. No, you're not shocked as anybody.

You put this together. You should be the least shocked that it fell apart. But like you said, I mean, you do what you've done, you get what you've always gotten. It's hard for me to believe I can be in a scenario. At some point in time, I'm going to change something. If I get the same results for 30 years and my objective, but Jerry's a promoter, Jerry's not trying to win.

Jerry's not fooling me. He might fool some of the fans in Dallas. And I think for the most part, they've even caught on. Jerry's all about selling. Jerry looks at it like, anytime they're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk, they don't need to talk about me winning championships. They don't need to talk about me being that. They're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk. They don't need to talk about me winning championships.

They don't need to talk about me being that they're talking about me. So I'm in the news. That's good enough for him. Uh, and I don't, I don't see it changing. Um, they bring back the same cast. Uh, if you look at guys leave Dallas and play well, look at now, Neville Gallagher, he went to the Rams. Borrow him out.

I'm just saying they make a trade for a guy, uh, Carolina. Me? They give a fourth round draft pick and the guy had how many, it might've had four catches, the rest of them. That's what I mean though. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously man, listen, I don't know what know what Jerry is doing. I can't question

that. I've been around football for a very long time. Obviously not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner. He's a GM. Hell, he's every goddamn thing. His way always works. And the fact that he wants credit is just beyond me. You know, when you can look at the landscape at NFL with all the owners that consistently win, all the other franchises where they win consistently, you know, the Packers, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Steelers. I mean, teams that have a rich history in winning,

you know, in the pack. Eagle, well, everybody going to the championship since he's been. You don't see any of the owners. Front and center making decisions. You know, pigeon holding head coaches, not allowing them to pick their staff, people that they work well with. I mean, all that all that matters, all that matters. And the fact that control and credit

is what he wants is ridiculous. And it's easy to talk to the franchise. Jennery has, Jennery has probably, let's just say for the sake of it, let's just be safe. He owned 10 other businesses. How many of those businesses you think he hands on? Probably none. None, because he doesn't know.

Right. But yet, he thinks he knows football. Well, he's been around football the longest, so he feels like he knows it. Okay. Yeah, I've been around a plow. It doesn't make me a tractor. Hey, the hell you talking about?

Just cause you around something. Hey, as a matter of fact, Ocho, I'm sleeping in my garage tonight. That don't make me a car. Yeah, that's a good one. I got some. I'm just trying to figure out what makes him think he knows

just because you're around something. Hell, Ocho, if somebody gonna give me all the, if somebody gonna give me the scouting report, I can read off what they wrote right now If they Jerry going to the senior bowl and out there looking at Scott got his no pad like okay guy I got great pad level drops his heel great transition change of direction. Oh, he bends the edge really well I like the way button press. Yeah, he don't know Be telling sharp like that.

Obviously. Hell no! But there are guys that do. What's the guy name that runs the Cowboys? Will McClane. Will Clane. He knows. He writes the notes, gives them to Jerry and they have a little selection, okay? Okay, and who do we think is going to be available when we select at the time we select? They give them a list of names. Everybody have their thing, well, Jerry, this is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is what we need. Bro, Michael Parsons fell in your lap.

You ain't do nothing. C.D. fell in your lap. Come on, bro. You ain't do nothing. CD's failing their lap. Come on, bro, that ain't nothing. They fail to you. They had an agreement, Devontae smelt, the Eagles wanted Devontae smelt. They was like, hey, we'll trade up, just don't bother him. We'll let y'all trade.

Okay, fine. Just don't select Parsley. Or you're not gonna select Parsley, you're gonna take Devontae, right? Okay, boom. CD's failing their lap. All the other receivers were gone so who are they gonna pick they needed a receiver. Jeddah was gone. Judy was gone. Rhodes was gone. Waddle was gone. Wow he really went out of the limit got CD. I need a receiver. He's the last one left. Oh

No, my bad. I know yeah to be a Jalen record with before yeah, yeah regular with regular went to the Philly, right? Billy yes So okay, that ain't nothing if a guy just fall in your lap No, you want to impress me do what can the did. Zoom up the draft board and go get somebody. That's what's impressive. That's what that lets me know, okay, they know what they're doing. You didn't do that. So I just don't get it. Mingo has 17 catches for 167 yards all year. He had five catches for 64 yards when he arrived in Dallas and he played eight games.

Played nine for Carolina. And they traded a fourth round pick for him, right? Fourth or fifth. Traded a fourth round pick for that kind of production. You don't know what he's doing now. He may f***ing love. But there's no way he does. It's not.

You know, it's almost... It's almost... Hold on, let's see how... Hold on, okay. Did Justin Jefferson go before or after CD? He went to CD. He went to pick after? Yeah. He went 22nd. Oh, so you saw you went CD and Justin Jefferson went 22nd. Check the numbers out.

Right. Look at the numbers between the two. But he know football. Not that CD is a bad, because CD is a number one. Yeah, absolutely. But I don't know very many people that's taking CD over Jenna. I mean, listen, Maybe cowboy fans, but I'm talking about if you pull, if you pull GMs, you pull all 32 GMs and says, okay, you got Jenna or you got CD?

Because right now people gonna take Chase and Jenna. They want to both of those guys were unanimous first team all pros. They weren't a whole lot of unanimous first team All-Pros, but those two guys were two of them. And J.M. they've been an All-Pro every year, except what, last year, he got Nick. He went over a thousand on joint miss like seven games. Hey, you imagine what his numbers would have been?

If he had... Ain't nobody close to him. His first three years, his first four years, his first five years. Nobody's close to those numbers. Now, with the season that Chase had, Chase might have an opportunity to get him, but he's gonna probably need another 14, 1500, which is possible with his quarterback and that system.

But Jerry don't know what he's doing, man. And like I said, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring and he's trying to get the best man for the job. I don't believe he's doing that. I don't believe he's ever done that. Not since he's not going to get a cowboy fan.

Jerry is not going to get, get anybody that's going to offer him some resistance. Brian, let me tell you what Brian Schottenheimer doesn't have. Any say on the final 53. Any say in free agency agency any say in the draft and all those are things that the head coach should have some type of say or Okay, full over Just basically almost like I guess what if they still have arranged marriages Hello, I do what they gotta be with lady. Don't I need to do you try to tell me what I want. I on, I'm the one that gotta be with that lady. Don't, I need to know, you trying to tell me what I want.

I know what I want. Jerry is, this is an arranged marriage. Jerry is telling you, he's picking players, telling you what you need as opposed to what you want or what would best, or what would fit best to the system. Now, is them coming back? I mean, I had the, as far as I know. See, that's another thing.

What if Brian Schott and Hyman were to hire his own DC? Now that's crazy. I mean, listen, it's crazy the way things are run. Obviously Jerry has the power. We understand that. He's going to exercise that right and that power at every turn and every chance he gets. Every chance and every turn Jerry gets. He's killing his own franchise.

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