Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavs win game 3, Suns want LeBron?

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Luka Doncic & Kyrie Irving and the Dallas Mavericks beating Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game 3, the Phoenix Suns reportedly pushing hard to land Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James to pair with Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, Patrick Mahomes sending out a warning to the rest of the NFL about the new Kansas City Chiefs offense and much more!03:41 - Show Starts07:44 - Mavs beat TWolves26:50 - Kyle Kuzma rejected trade to Mavs31:07 - Suns pushing for Lebron34:29 - Chiefs Offense45:44 - PFF ranked Dak the top QB in the NFC56:39 - Zach Orr on Kyle Hamilton(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's named, you know what, before I tell you his name, let me tell you a little bit about him. He's from Liberty City. He's a route runner extraordinaire at three levels, high school, college, and the professional race. You know what he's a bingo ring of fame he's a legend in cincinnati he's a pro bowler he's an all pro he led the league in receiving on several different occasions his name is chad ocho cinco risotto johnson hey you know he is you know we need to add? Right when you finish that, we need to add an applause, like a

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Excuse me, subscribers short of 1.3 million. Guys, you're doing outstanding. Thank you guys for selling out Shade by LaPortier. We're only taking pre-orders. We're going to fulfill the backlog. All the back orders will be fulfilled in the coming weeks. And we will not have this problem

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is pinned at the top of the chat. Yeah. Qualities are limited, and they're selling out fast. And to show our appreciation, we've created an additional 25% off. Use code NIGHTCAP25. Damn, Ash. You keep on talking about 25 off. Hell.

I mean, you know we're not a non-profit. We try to make a little money. hell. I mean, you know, we're not a non-profit. We try to make a little money. Hell. I mean, hell, Ash is, hey, pretty soon say, you know what? Yeah. Buy one, get one free. Ash ain't no, I've got to take Ash a hundred digits. She can no longer over the company.

She just give an issue away. What'd you say? She giving it away 25 25 percent off that's yeah she gave 25 percent off you gotta understand you gotta understand you gotta understand the economy and where we are right now you know with 25 off supply and demand it it it rises it raises exponentially and you have more buyers that way no that's what it is yeah i would think so i would think so well if you buy you don't get 25 off i'm just letting you know that you don't get 25% off.

I'm just letting you know that. I don't need no discount. I don't need no discount because I stole my hat and my hoodie. Yeah. But you're going to do a rail. Huh? What you going to do a rail? Oh, she ain't getting none.

She ain't getting none. She ain't getting none. Listen, she's not a part of the show. We allow her to make an appearance every so often. Yeah, that's it.'s it that's it and she got to stop coming on here too because like people are getting i don't i don't think they mean to disrespect me in public but it's disrespect is disrespectful addressing me as ultra risotto again that that that makes me feel uncomfortable you know you say you'll stay at home

dad so you got to take on you you gotta take on the wife's last name that's what women do all the time so you gotta take on Chad Ocho, Cinco, Rosado that has nothing to do with it I think people are getting a little carried away with it because you say it and coming from you it's okay now y'all ain't finna be calling me this shit in public

okay Rosado Ocho your team is on the elimination they go down 3-0 the dallas mavericks beat the minnesota timberwolves 116 to 107 and it was because of kairi and luca they were sensational both guys scored 33 points both guys were extremely efficient kairi was 12 of 20 from the floor for 33 luca was 10 of 20 from the floor 5 of 11 from 3 kairi was 3 of 6 from the floor for 33. Luka was 10 of 20 from the floor, 5 of 11 from 3. Kyrie was 3 of 6 from 3, 33 points. But it's been Kyrie the last two fourth quarters.

In the last two fourth quarters, he was 14 points on 5 of 7 plus 9. Tonight, he was 13 points, 4 of 5 plus 8. Missed the fourth quarter. He did it again. And the thing that I thought was going to cause minnesota problem was that dynamic duo yeah because they can get any shot they want anytime they want they can shoot the three ball they can put the ball on the floor and get to the mid-range they can get all the way to the basket either hand either guy they're tremendous and i thought that would be a problem but i was thinking that you know cat, Cat and Ant-Man could offset that.

Play those guys to a standstill. Now Mike Connolly, Naz Reed, Jay McDaniels, Alexander Walker. Yeah. Those guys say, you know what? Okay, we're going to make it a three-on-three tournament. Yeah. We're going to neutralize your big two,

and then we're going to play basketball. Yeah. But that's the difference in the ballgame, Ocho, and also the Dallas Mavericks was one of the best teams in the clutch. NBA-defined clutch, last five minutes of the game, game within five points. I think there were one or two, them and the Lakers went back

and forth, teams late in the ballgame, five, down five, five minutes in the ballgame, and you see execution after execution. The ball's going to be in one of those guys' hands. It's going to be in Luka's hand or it's going to be in Kyrie's. And they're going to get a great shot

or they're going to find the perfect pass. When you're watching this game, what did you see? I mean, listen, we didn't do enough. We didn't do enough and I'm breaking down a little bit emotionally because I wanted to see something different. I wanted to see the Ant-Man magic. I wanted to see

the face of the league rise to the occasion against Luka, against Kyrie. I wanted to see Cat do what he does. I wanted to see goddamn Rudy Gerber show up to the party every night. We got

Nas Reed. I said the Wolves are going to win this game in seven. The reason I said they were going to win the game in seven was because of the height and the length that the Mavs had to deal with. And it seems like none of that is working. None of that is working. Even though in the post,

by the rim, by the basket, where those seven-footers are, I'm thinking, okay, because of their size and length, they will cause problems for Kyrie and Luka. And it just hasn't come to that in three goddamn games. Not only that, on the offensive side of the ball, we are not matching wits with what they're doing. They are putting on a show every goddamn night. Kyrie, like a goddamn light switch. He pick and choose when he want to turn it on. Luka, did

you see Luka hit the fadeaway? The fadeaway? Come on, man. He just, okay, he not just throwing it up. But can't nobody do nothing with him. Can't nobody. So I feel bad because I'm breaking down.

I'm breaking down emotionally because I picked the Wolves to win in seven because I want to see the face of the league. I want to see a man do something that's never been done before, you know? And it's not panning out the way I thought it would. I got money on the line, and that is really why my feelings are hurt, and I'm kind of emotional, and I'm crying behind my shades because I don't really want nobody to make me a meme. I don't want people to laugh at me. And man, it's unfortunate, man.

It's unfortunate. I don't know. I don't know how many times the team has come back, you know, down from three over three. Never. Huh? Never. OK, so normally they don't even get an opportunity to force a game seven. Right.

OK, well, you know what? This might... It might happen. It might happen. The Ant-Man magic, you know, and the Ant-Man that I know, they might come back from 03 and shock the world.

I'm a believer. If you look at Ocho... Yes, sir. Do you realize that Ant and Cat shot 16 of 44? Yeah. Now, just the other night, there was 9 of 33. Yeah. Now, just the other night, there was nine of 33.

Yeah. So nine of 33, 16 of 44. How you going to win like that? I don't know, man. And when you look at it here, the problem that they have is that when the bigs come to take Kyrie and Luka,

once they get past their defender, all they're going to do is lob it up. And there's Lively dunking on your head. There's Gafford dunking on your head. Derrick Jones going to dunk it on your head. So the thing is that because they don't really have anybody that can stay in front of Luka and Kyrie

and you got to send the bigs to help. You send the bigs to help, we lob it up. It's an easy two points. Now, you hope that, but Kyrie and Luka can still finish you see Kyrie with the and once he's made he's matching with the basketball in his hand but listen he can do whatever he wants but at some point at some point they got to have an off night shoot man they I mean they have been efficient from the field the past three games at some point they have to have an off night and I think when they had that off night, Ant, you got to come through for me.

Cat, you got to come through for me, man. You know, I got titles on the line. I got a lease on the line. Like, I need y'all. I know y'all going to see this clip. Like, somebody got to do something. Rudy, even if you were a defensive player of the year,

I need you not to be an offensive liability. I need 20. I need 20 and 10 from goddamn Rudy. That's what I need. That's not what he is. Even that's not what he is, but I need you to do

something different. That's what I need. It's the playoffs. We talk about going to the NBA championship. Well, but here's the thing. If you look at it,

they shot 51% from the floor. They lost the three-point battle. But when you look at it, the bigs, the problem that I, that I, even I underestimate a little bit

was how active and good defensively the bigs for Dallas are. We, they don't have the name. Yeah. You know, you look at Daniel Gafford.

He was a late, he was a trade, late trade. You look at PJ Washington. He was a trade. You look at Lively. He was a rookie. They do a great job of protecting. You see Gafford get that block at the end.J. Washington. He was a trade. You look at Lively. He was a rookie.

They do a great job of protecting. You see Gafford get that block at the end? Yeah. Lively, challenging everything. You come inside, he's going to challenge you. Even they got some minutes out of Jerome Powell tonight, who hadn't played a whole lot. He came in, he played eight minutes, but you had

he's another big. And so they're getting great production from anybody that steps on the floor, they're getting production from. You look at all the guys, everybody that stepped on the floor that played at least two minutes, they scored.

So you're basically telling me the series is over. It ain't looking good. I look here, I ain't looking good. Look here, I ain't saying it's over, but the chance of slimming none. And slim been eating. That ain't looking good for me on this end there, man. No, it ain't looking good.

Damn. But what do you do, Ocho? See, now you're saying, are you hoping they be off four games in a row because that's what you gotta do you gotta beat this team four games in a row and you say what if they have an off game well you guys haven't had an off game

look at Cat numbers what he shot Cat is probably shooting in the 30% time see what you just said I like that I like that okay at some point

maybe the next game game four let's say Kyrie and Luka have off night then obviously Ant-Man emerges and does we what we know we can do Cat has a spectacular game Rudy Gobert plays lights out Nas Reed from the perimeter has a game in the block has a game and then we match wit for wit from that point on because our back is against the wall. Our back's against the wall.

And hope we can make this an interesting series and not get swept. I'm hoping. Because I'm rarely, I'm very, very rarely wrong when it comes to guessing on who's going to win games,

whether it be football, NBA, soccer. I'm really wrong. And I really, soccer, I'm really wrong. And I really, really, I'm talking about like deep down inside, I really thought the Cavs, I mean the Cavs, I really thought the Wolves were going to shock the world and win this series in seven. Dwight Powell, not Jerome, Dwight Powell.

Jerome Powell is a damn fan chair. Dwight Powell, he doesn't play much, so I mispronounced his name, I'm sorry. But he came in, he came in and gave some great minutes tonight. I don't think the game would have been this close had Derek Lively not taken that knee to the back of the head. He's more active.

He's a more active player. He understands he does a great job of rolling to the rim. He does a great job of offensive rebounding. And, you know, Gafford at the end of the half, there's one second on the clock yeah rudy gobert got the ball and he reaches in and commits a foul why why i don't i don't know

man i guess so when you look at when you look at and you say okay you hope they shoot bad yeah but if i get to my spot the likelihood of you making me shoot bad, and I get to, every time I get to, I go just think about Ocho. You get to run every route. You win every route you run. You say, man, Ocho, he going to drop some sooner or later. You mean to tell me you going to let me run the out? You going to let me run the bang? You going to let me run

the dig? You going to let me run the end? Bro, I'm getting whatever I want, and your best thing you can hope is not defense is that man I hope he drop it that's what you hope listen I have no other answer I have no other answer

that's the only thing I can hope for people that are fans of the Wolves that's the only thing they can hope for Dallas fans probably they already ready they're already ready. They're celebrating. They're ready.

I mean, them two guys in the backcourt, we've never seen guys that can handle the ball in the backcourt, that can score like these guys can. I'm going to let y'all debate who y'all think the greatest backcourt of all time. Joe Dumars? Isaiah Thomas?

They couldn't score like these two. Isaiah was more of a prototypical point guard. He could distribute. Isaiah led the league in assists. I don't know if Luka's ever led the league in assists. We know he's led the league in scoring. And Kyrie, we know Kyrie can score. Joe D was more of a lockdown defender.

He could score the basketball. He's the finals MVP. D was more of a lockdown defender. He could score the basketball. He's finals MVP. So obviously he's a good player. He's in the basketball hall of fame. So I'm not trying to diminish him, but I don't know if we've seen two guys at the guard position. Okay, you look at Klay and Steph. Obviously, Steph is a two-time scoring champ,

if I'm not mistaken, and he's an MVP. But Klay, yeah, Klay has had some outstanding shooting game, but he can't go get buckets like Klay. I mean, like Kyrie. Right. Who did? Luka. Luka finished second in assists.

So, yeah, this backcourt right here, because they put so much pressure on you, because they can shoot the ball from outside, because normally guys that shoot the ball outside, they don't finish at the rim. Both of these guys can finish at the rim yeah and now they and now they can go now Kyrie's got a little case of the year up to the free throw line he's missed like uh uh I think I think he's missed about five or six free throws in the past three games which is very uncharacteristic of him because he's normally a 90 91 92 percent free throw shoot right so for him to miss the kind of free throws that he's missing,

that's very uncharacteristic of him. But Minnesota's going to have, I don't really know what else Minnesota can do, Ocho, because you said Rudy's going to give you what Rudy does. He is what he is. Yeah. But, you know, when it comes to times like this, you know, you have to do more.

You have to do something special that we haven't seen before. You have to be extraordinary. You know, you can't just go by based on what you did during the regular season it come playoff time you have to rise to the occasion you you have to you have to and listen i just i'm i'm i'm hurt you don't understand like if they lose this series well it's not looking good i'm not gonna say they lose i series. Well, it's not looking good. I'm not going to say they lose. I'll tell you, but I'm saying no fat lady.

She humming. She knows she, she drinking salt water right now and lemon. He warming up. Cause she going to get up. She getting a voice ready. She warming up. Mm.

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

me, man. But you know what? Me, me, me, me, me,

me, me, me. Damn, man. Um you know what? Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Damn, man. It's tough because you're so close. They took down the defending champs. Yeah. And everybody is supporting.

I'm telling you, I'm saying, bro, if y'all watch the Mavericks this year and you see that Luka and Kyrie can take turns dancing on you. Both guys, we saw Luka. Luka had a 60-20 triple-double. Do you understand how hard that is to score 60 points, grab 20 rebounds, and dish out double-digit assists? Yeah. And Kyrie, man, bro, we've seen Kyrie dance with the best of them. Kyrie can go get 20, 25

points in a quarter. He can go get 50 at the drop of a hat. And when you got two guys that they can create their own, I ain't gotta get them. I don't gotta have somebody give them the ball like a big. They can literally bring the ball up and dance

on you and get whatever shot they want anytime they want. So unless you trap them, blitz can literally bring the ball up and dance on you and get whatever shot they want. Yeah. Anytime they want. So unless you trap them, blitz them, get the ball out of their hands, oh, you at their mercy.

Right. You at their mercy. That's great. Like you said, you hope they miss. Yeah. Can you imagine this? Now, I hate to be,

I hate to be thinking ahead of time. So, how well do the Cavs match up with the Celtics? And imagine, just imagine this. Imagine Kyrie

winning the ring, winning the ring against the Celtics. You mean the Mavs match up with the Celtics? I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah, the Mavs match up with the Celtics.

It'd be a good matchup. Very good. I mean, Derek White is a tremendous on-ball defender, but he ain't doing it he ain't doing anything with kairi kairi gonna get whatever he want yeah um the question is who

did they put on luca is it jt or jb because it's going to he gonna zap him he's gonna take a lot of energy out of you i told him jaylen brown jaylen brown like six eight six seven six eight Jalen Brown like 6'8", 6'7", 6'8"? What? Yeah, JT like 6'9", 6'10". They're a big team. They're a big team. The Mavericks match up with them well because, you know, they go lively at 7'1". They go gaffer at 6'10". They go P.J. Washington probably 6'8", 6'9".

Right. So they match up. They match up well. Yeah, Derrick Jones Jr. can defend. He's going to probably take one. He's going to probably take, I would assume, Harry. He takes, nah, he'll take JT. P.J. Washington will take JB.

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And who doesn't want that? Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Damn. And then you have Gafford that they'll match up with al horford and then oh holiday holiday will take luca okay holiday will take no drew today he too damn small he's strong though he got no choice got no choice holiday will take luca and derrick joe and uh um derrick white will take Luka and Derek White will take Kyrie and they'll play from there but it'll be a great series

it'll be a great series who you got in that one I took I took the Celtics we had to pick and I took the Celtics to win the title but I picked the Mavs to come out of the West but it's going to be a great series.

It's going to be, it will be a tremendous series. I can see it going seven games. Excuse me. I can see it going seven games, but the Dallas Mavericks are one win. Both teams, the Celtics and the Mavs are one win away from advancing to the NBA finals. The Celtics play tomorrow night with a chance to close out the Pacers. And the Mavericks play the Timberwolves on Tuesday night at home with a chance to close out the T-Wolves. So might be sweeps in the Eastern and Western Conference Finals after we had that great seven games.

Had seven games, Pacers, Knicks. We had seven games, Wolves, Nuggets. And now we might got a... That hurt, boy. Might have sweeps in both conferences. That hurt. Bang! What?

What, are they? I don't think so. Because they already got them pegged they already got them set game one will start winning I think they got them set already because you'll mess up the TV schedule yeah

they might oh my god yeah oh yeah because June 6 that's like two weeks yeah I'm sure they got a contingency plans for that okay all right ocho it's time for our first it's time for our first segment of the day and it's called news cap kyle kuzma rejected a trade to the dallas Mavericks at the deadline because they weren't true contenders. This is what Kuzma told the Athletics.

In my career, I won a championship. So I understand that when we play this game of basketball, it's not about contending for a playoff spot. It's about contending for an NBA championship. There are only three or four contenders, true contenders. And I just felt like our timelines didn't add up. Dallas ended the trade, ended up trading for P.J. Washington and Daniel Gafford instead. What was he looking at? I'm just curious. Before Gafford and P.J. Washington got there, how could you not see Luka and Kyrie and think, you know what, we have

a true opportunity to win an NBA championship? And he says, you know what, I don't want to go there. true opportunity to win an NBA championship. And he says, you know what? I don't want to go there. Because they weren't playing like this. When they got PJ, when they got PJ and they got Gafford, it changed everything around. Okay. They only ended up like, they ended up losing like two or three games once they got those guys.

So they took off and went to it. But in the process, you got to foresee because sometimes people only look at the position that they're in and they don't forecast. And see, the really great people can forecast because if you only

look at the situation, if I only looked at where I was, I would have never been where I am. Right. If you only looked at where you were,

I'm in Liberty City and that's all you saw. Yeah. Well, how do you go further than Liberty City? Mm-hmm. Kyle Kuzma could only see what he saw right then and there. all you saw. Yeah. Well, how do you go further than Liberty City? Mm-hmm. Kyle Kuzma could only see what he saw right then and there.

Right. But, I mean, my mindset, listen, I'm not Kyle Kuzma. He's a great player. Obviously, this season he had 22. He averaged 22 a game.

He was, you know, 77% from the line, 33% from three. But I'm looking at it from the standpoint, I don't care what you got there. I'm getting ready to go play with greatness. Even if they weren't winning at the line, 33% from three. But I'm looking at it from the standpoint, I don't care what you got there. I'm getting ready to go play with greatness. Even if they weren't winning at the time,

oh, shoot, I got an opportunity to play with Kyrie. I have an opportunity to play with Luka. I understand how dynamic they are offensively. I could be the third head to that monster. I could be the third head to that monster. Who turns that down? Even if they weren't winning, me go there let me go to dallas and be a difference maker and turn things around let me do my let me do my due justice

that's just that's the way i would think pj is a better fit because you look at the numbers that coos is averaging they wouldn't need him to average 22 and can see the thing is like you have to understand look at the guys brandon ingram needed to be out elsewhere because he couldn't be to be out it went to the all-star game playing with lebron in ad kuzma you see how kuzma looked in washington yeah as opposed to how he looked in la so now he didn't really he didn't really want to be in that situation again he liked being able to shoot as much as he won't whenever you go okay really want to be in that situation again he liked being able to shoot as much as he want whenever you go okay i see what you're talking about i see where you're

going truth be told i see where you're going because he knows it goes luca and kairi and whatever's left it's got a you get to eat so pj is a better fit because PJ doesn't need to try to score 22 points to show his value. Sometimes guys only see their value in scoring. PJ say, you know what? I might just need to knock down a three late in the ball game. I need to play defense.

I need to play. I need to rebound. Right? See, you see Ant-Man in game and game seven, he didn't score, but he says, you know what?

I'm going to set screens. You know what? I'm a to set screens. You know what? I'm going to hound the hell out of Jamal Murray. And so you have to see value in other areas as opposed to just scoring. See, the team that does that the best, the 49ers. They're wide receivers. They might not catch 400, but they're going to block their ass off. They're going to run hard and open up the screen,

push the guy down the field so when McCaffrey catches it or the tight end catches the screen, instead of getting 10, 12 yards, he's getting 20, 30 yards, maybe even take it to the house. And so I think P.J., I think it was a great move. Nothing happened by an accident. I think P.J. fits better. I think they are where

they are because of P.J. and Daniel Gafford, the trade because it made him formidable on the defensive end. But hey, those things happen. You look back like, damn, missed out on the opportunity. The

Suns are hoping to pursue LeBron James this offseason, which is why Bronny James' very serious draft option at 22 overall are potentially luring him. Phoenix appear to believe that they could convince LeBron to join forces with Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal to create a historic super team.

LeBron would be sacrificing $50 million next season if he were to legitimately consider joining the Suns on a veteran minimum. Veteran minimum? Ocho. So, he stands a chance to make about 58 million veteran minimum is what 6 million 8 million

who give Ocho hey listen unless they pay him 40 plus under the goddamn table I don't see that happening the last time somebody tried to have something under the table, it was the Minnesota Timberwolves.

And they did that with Joe Smith. And David Stern dropped the hammer on him and they didn't recover. Took three first round drafts. He took the first round draft pick every year for like three years. And who the hell snitched on Joe? Hey. I don't know who snitched on him but david stern found out

so that under the table stuff right leave it alone don't even mess with it i was just i was just you already got no draft pick you might not have no draft picks to 2040 right right i mean listen i mean it's cute it's cute at this point in lebron's career uh money still does play a factor but playing for this but playing for veteran minimum as one of the greatest all-time, I don't see it happening. Now, is LeBron in position to sacrifice the money

to get another ring? Yes, he's in a position to do that because he makes so much off the court, but him taking a pay cut of that magnitude, it ain't happening. I don't see it happening. Again, I think everything's in limbo. All of us as analysts, all of us that enjoy the game of basketball are all guessing on what's going to happen. I think wherever Bronny Jr. goes, that is where LeBron will go. You said

it's not going to happen now. You said maybe two or three years down the line. I don't think it's going to be that long. I think it happens now. So him being a free agent right now is all contingent on where Bronny James goes, Bronny Jr. goes. I guarantee you I'm not wrong. I know I'm not wrong. And it's worth noting, James Jones and LeBron, they did play together in Miami.

They won championships. And when LeBron went back to Cleveland, JJ went with him. So they have remained friends throughout that process. So it's worth noting, but I agree with you, Ochoa. I don't see anybody

taking a $50 million haircut. Now, I might take a little bit off the side, but you ain't finna skin fade me. You ain't finna ball me. I don't know. So there is no more money left to go around because of Beal. Yeah, because all those guys are on max contract.

That's why it's hard for you to fill out a roster when you have three guys on max contract. Two guys, you can still get two quality players at mid-level, but not the minimum. But when you put LeBron, LeBron's... Nah, I don't see LeBron playing on the mid-level. They ain't even going to have no goddamn bench. Huh? They ain LeBron, LeBron's not. I don't see LeBron playing on the bench. They ain't even gonna have

no goddamn bench. Huh? They ain't even gonna have no bench. Nah. Now you're gonna be having G League guys, guys on two-way contracts.

Right. I don't see it happening to us, Ocho. I don't. All right, Ocho, check this out. The Chiefs offense is about to get

even more scary if you can believe it. A team which already featured my homeboy Travis Kelsey and Rasheed Rice should be even better in 2024. Brett Beach added the Chiefs and Explosive Corps weapons

signing Hollywood Brown and the guy that ran the fastest 40 time in combine history, Xavier Worthy. Mahomes has already noticed the difference in the OTA. When asked what the Chiefs have been working on history. Xavier Worthy. Mahomes has already noticed the difference in the OTA. When asked what the Chiefs have been working on,

Mahomes said, get back to the deep ball. I think we've done a great job of mastering the intermediate and short stuff, but we want to get back to having a part of the offense as well. Coach is really pushing for us to push the ball down the field. Remember, Hollywood Brown ran 4-2-7.

Xavier Worthy ran 4-2 ran 421 he can go now listen and you remember when they had when they had reek yeah they could go bombs over bag day but you have to are they getting back to that yeah i mean yeah they can get back to that but we have to remember the comparison this is tyreek hill we're talking about this is tyreek hill i love hollywood brown i love xavier xavier worthy but they're not tyreek hill Hill we're talking about. This is Tyreek Hill. I love Hollywood Brown. I love Xavier Worthy. But they're not Tyreek Hill. Now, we're just comparing the two because of the speed. But there's so many other variables that go into play when it comes to playing the game and playing the game of receiver.

Now, do you have all the tools and the potential to be like Tyreek? Yes, you do. But you have to be able to do it on the field. Tyreek, he can run short routes. He can run intermediate routes. He can go deep. He can run the entire tree. Now, have these two proved that they can do the same thing consistently?

And for Mahomes to be saying some of the stuff that he's doing? Probably so. Probably so. Because they do all the small stuff so goddamn well, it's going to open up the offense because of the dynamic duel that they do have. Xavier Worthy was the real deal at Texas. He was the real deal. But will you be able to transition into the NFL and know how to use your speed, when to be deceptive, when to be running full tilt, how to run your digs, how to run your slams, how to run your curls, and be that threat like Tyreek is. There's nothing you can do with Tyreek. Nothing. There's no way to cover him. There's no defense to stop him. Can you be exactly like that outside of just running fast in a straight

line? There's so much other stuff you have to be able to do. But I understand where Holmes is coming from. They've mastered all the intermediate stuff and the short stuff. If those two, if Hollywood Brown and goddamn Xavier figure it out, if they can figure out the short and intermediate stuff and be able to take some of the short stuff and hit their head off

the goalposts, man, the deep stuff is going to come. It's going to be like taking candy from a baby. Oh, Joe. Think about it. I got Trav. I got Rasheed Rice. They can do all that junk stuff. I got two. Because normally, they've never had two guys that move like that.

That can get down the field in a hurry. Yeah. So, where you going to roll coverage to? Hey, your joke was released outside. Good luck, safety. Good luck. Now, you can't double everybody.

No, the question is, Ocho, the question is, can Xavier Worthy play through contact? Because, you know,

he's a small frame guy. He's 165. 165? So, what you try to, yeah, he's 165. When I think about it,

he's so twitchy, though. He's so twitchy. Now, what DBs are going to want to do, they're going to be just as quick. They might not be as fast, but what they're going to try to do, they're going to try to stife you and throw off the timing

by catching you at the line of scrimmage. Yes, yes. So how good is Xavier Worthy in man-to-man and bump and run? Correct. That's all it's going to come down to. Once you show you can be man-to-man and bump and run. Correct. That's all it's going to come down to. Once you show, you're going to be man-to-man?

Oh, you might. It's curtains. It's curtains. The show is over if he can be bump and run consistently like Tyree can, or Keenan Allen can, or Devontae Adams.

But see, the thing is, those guys don't have... We've never seen a guy like... We've seen guys, and I've been in the league with guys that really were track stars. Sam Grady, he won the silver medal in the Olympics. He was on the 4x1 in the 88 Olympics and sold it.

That won the gold. Was it 84? 84. 84 Olympics. All those guys. I've seen twitchy guys. James Jett. Yeah. He was on the 92 team.

Yeah, I remember James. But they weren't. He is a football. Tyreek is a football player with track speed. Yeah. I saw Willie Gault. Willie Gault from Georgia. So I knew Willie, you know, followed his career.

He was twitchy. But nothing like Tyreek. If you look at the way Tyreek is built, you know, followed his career, he was, but nothing like Tyreek. If you look at the way Tyreek is built, you can say, oh, you would never think he ran track. You'd say, that's a football player. Because the way he's built from ways down, he's sturdy as fuck.

Yeah, he's sturdy. He ain't got no, he ain't narrow hip. He's not thin limb right you know you look at xavier worthy yeah he looks like he can run because he's like a track guy most track guys are built like yeah if you ever see those professional track guys you're like damn that's why you run so fast dude you only a buck 50 yeah you're a buck 60 tyreek 190, 195. Yeah. I'm talking about solid. He all, he's a, he's, he's bound tight.

And if you look at him, you could like, yeah, he explosive. Yeah. You look at, you look at Tyreek Hill, anybody that's ever been around him close, you could look at him and tell, if you know athletes, you can tell he explosive. Yeah. I can just look at him. The one, the first time I saw him, I said, oh, he explosive. Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, I listen I like my what Mahomes got to use this year man it's almost unfair man it's almost unfair and I'm telling you Hollywood Brown I know what he can do oh he can run

he can get off the jam Xavier Worthy I'm telling you boy if young bull if young bull I don't know where he trained at during the off season but all he need to work on

is man-to-man and getting off that goddamn ball. Get off that release. It's over. It's over. It's over for everybody because that means well, hell, now we got to double-team him. You can't double-team

Hollywood, Brian, and Xavier. Then you got Kelsey going to kill you underneath. You got Rasheed Rice when he comes back from suspension. Oh, hell. Mm-hmm. And that's the thing, though, Ocho. If I'm him, I'm just working on my release. Yeah.

Because you can run. Yeah. Because everybody's going to be looking for you to go deep. Oh, yeah. But you can't be a one-trick pony. Yeah. You're going to have to run the comeback. You're going to have to run the end cut.

You're going to have to run the overs. You're going to have to run the bang. You, going to have to run the end cut. You're going to have to run the overs. You're going to have to run the bang. Hey, shallow crosses. You got to get... That's what made Tyreek... Because they used to bring Tyreek in. Tyreek was just the gadget guy. Tyreek said,

later for this, man, I want to play all the time. Just don't run me in here to run a trick or flea flick or some stuff like that. Hey, taught himself, now Tyreek can run the route tree. And because he got so much feed, man,reek can run the route tree.

And because he got so much feed, man, I got to back up off him. Now, he going to run the stop on you. He can run the out. He can run the dig, the in. He can run it all because I'm afraid of him. And if I don't quick jam him, if he's in Miami, you can't quick jam him because he can hear the snap count. The only thing you can hope is he's on the road and he has to look in at the ball to see when it snaps. And then you can quick, you can freeze it.

Other than that, it's a wrap. Okay. You miss if you want. He ain't a guy. You ain't got to miss by much. If you let him get even with you, it's over. It's a done deal. It's over.

It's a done deal. Just go over. It's a done deal. Just go ahead and point A. Just go ahead and call the PAT team out. It's a tough show. Just go ahead and get your PAT. Hey, PAT! I like it, though. I like it. I mean, listen, Mahomes can talk. He can talk like that.

He can talk like that because he understands what he's had or what he has in Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown. So, he can talk like that because he understands what he's had or what he has in Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown. So he can talk like that. I like it. But they ain't going to be the goddamn Bengals, though, but go ahead. Man, if somebody would have told you, Ocho, think about it. If I took Chase from Cincinnati, you think they can win the Super Bowl?

Without Jamar? Yeah. No, because, I, because you need one dynamic superstar. You need one dynamic superstar. You need that. If I took CD from the Cowboys. Oh.

If I took Tyreek from Miami. So what one player could I take? Like they took Tyreek from my homeboy and he still won two champs and won an MVP. What one player, what player, what team could I take one of their two best receivers from? And they steal

a dynamic like that? How many other teams in the NFL are like Patrick Mahomes? Because he's... Okay, well he's making up for the loss of Tyreek because he's just that great. He is. That's the difference.

He's just that great. Now, we're going to see what Josh Allen is really made of. I like Keaton Coleman, but now you lost Stephon Diggs, who is a phenomenal number one. So we're going to see how good Josh Allen really is. He lost Stephon and Gabe. And Gabe.

So now you're going to see. There's a difference. Josh Allen really is. He lost Stephon and Gabe. And Gabe. So now you're going to see. There's a difference. Now, you always brought up in that upper echelon of quarterbacks. Now's the time to show it. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps, and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed

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you get your podcasts. PFF ranked Dak the top quarterback in the NFC. Yeah. Dak was number one. Matthew Stafford was two. Jalen Hurst was three. Jordan Love was four. Brock Purdy, five. Cousins,

six. Jared Goff, seven. Kyler Murray, eight. Geno Smith, nine. And Caleb Williams, ten. I like that list. Ain't no way in hell I'm putting Kirk Cousins in front of Jared Goff. And if you ask me, Ocho, I would take Jordan Love over Dak Prescott.

You would take Jordan Love over Dak Prescott? Hell yeah. Listen, that's... You would too. I mean, that's a preference, but I like Dak being number one. I don't like Geno Smith being at nine.

I don't like Geno Smith being at nine. So I would probably... Where you gonna put him nine. I don't like Geno Smith being at nine, so I would probably move Kirk Cousins. Ooh, that's tough. Jared Goff belongs at I think Ooh, that's

tough, huh? Why is Brock Purdy at five? Where you gonna put him at? Because like I said, I'm not putting... If you tell me, of all those guys, I would probably have Matthew Stafford one. Okay. So then if you have Matthew Stafford one,

you definitely got to have that too, right? Or would you have Jalen? I put Jordan Love two. Okay. I put Brock Purdy three. Me personally? Yeah. I put Jordan Love too okay I put Brock Purdy 3 me personally yeah this is based off what they did last season

I'm assuming or going into this season hell no hey I'm looking at the body of work hell I done watched you for four or five seasons right

okay I see you I see you going yeah I see you going with it. Yeah. I see you going with it. Ooh, that's tough. I don't like Geno at nine. And I would take... Who you going to put him in front of?

No, I'm just saying I don't like him at nine. Kirk Cousins coming off Achilles. I would have Jared Goff switch Cousins switch Cousins and Goff and give me Geno before Kirk Cousins. So yeah that's what I would do.

That's what I would do. Geno had a very very good year last year. Very good year. It wasn't as good as the other year. I mean he was okay. Yeah. But you got to realize, I thought Geno would be better

based on the weapons that he got. Yeah, yeah. He got DK. He got Locker. He got Jackson Smith and Jigba. Yeah, yeah. I mean, damn. Yeah.

He got a set of triplets over there. Yeah. That's legit. Yeah, he got some good boys over there. All these guys got really good receiving corps. If you look at Dak with CeeDee, Cook, Michael Gallup is no longer there.

You look at Matthew Stafford with Puka and Cooper Cupp. You look at Jalen Hurts with Smith and AJ. You look at Jordan Love. He got a nice trio. Brock Purdy, he got Brandon Ayoub, he got Kittle, and he got Deebo. We don't know what's going on over there in San Fran now. Well, I mean, the issue is Brandon Ayuk.

He wants a long-term deal. If I'm not mistaken, they put the franchise tag on him. You look at Jared Goff, he got some weapons. Oh, yeah. Jamison Williams, Armand St. Brown. What's the other? But he got Kyler. They just signed.

They just got Marvin Harrison Jr. We mentioned Geno's triplets. Caleb Williams got some triplets. Now you got a set of triplets. He got DJ. He got Keenan Allen. He got Roman Dunzay. Kirk Cousins.

Kyle Pitts. He got Drake London. Drake London. Yeah. I Dunzay. Kirk Cousins. Kyle Pitts. He got... Drake London. Drake London. Yeah. I don't know who's the number two. Who was the number two receiver over in Atlanta?

Didn't they just sign... Didn't they just sign the guy from Chicago? From Chicago? Didn't they... I think they signed the receiver from Chicago. Didn't they sign

the receiver from Chicago? I'm almost certain they did, Ocho. I can't think of him off the top of my head. Not Mooney. Yeah, Mooney. I think they signed Mooney. Oh, darn that, darn that. He over there?

I think so. Okay. Yeah, darn, darn. Mooney nice now. Mooney nice. Yeah. Yeah. It is?

Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. But all these guys. Mooney going to get jiggy with it. Yeah. It is? Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. But all these guys. Mooney going to get jiggy with it. All these guys, Ocho, these quarterbacks in the NFC, all of them got a receiving core? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, all of them. Mm-hmm. And, you know, the thing is, the question is, who has the best? Because Puka Nakua and Cooper Cuffee ain't got to take a backseat to nobody. Let me see. The best? Statistically? Duo. Who got the best duo?

Duo? Yeah. You like AJ and Smitty. You like Puka and Cooper. You like Ayuk and Debo. And Debo. You like DK and Lockett. Or DK and Jackson Smith and Jigba you like Caleb Williams

you like him you like DJ Moore and Keenan Allen you like Jared Goff you like Jamison Williams that's a good one I'm telling you you like CD and Brandon Cook I mean if I if I had to pick

oh that's a tough one it is? I'm like yes absolutely you know what I gotta go with AJ AJ and Smitty you go AJ with Smitty

AJ and Smitty yeah man yeah listen and nothing is wrong with any of the other receivers that are up there but AJ and Smitty

gonna give you what you want boy every week everyitty going to give you what you want, boy. Every week. Every week, they're going to give you what you want. I mean, so will everybody else. Amon St. Brown is unbelievable. Unbelievable. That trio over there with Joe and Love, boy, that's a little four-by-one track team over there.

But something about Smitty and AJ Brown, boy, you can't pass that up. And Puka. They left Baker Mayfield. Oh, Mike Evans? Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Chris Godwin, yeah. They left those guys off.

Yeah. You can't go wrong with goddamn Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua either. Damn. Puka, hey, you can't go wrong with goddamn Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua either. Damn. But Puka, hey, you got to realize, Cooper Cup won the Triple Crown just two years ago. Two years ago, yeah. He had 1,900 yards.

That's crazy. 1,900 yards, like 140, like 145 catches. Mm-hmm. And Puka just set the rookie record. Just set the rookie record with catches at yard. Can you imagine catching 140-some passes? I don't think, I don't think,

I barely, I barely got over 90. So I'm just trying to picture myself catching 140-some passes. So that means he had to have 140. That means he had somewhere by like 190. He had to have 180 to 190 targets. What did they

throw in the ball like crazy, man? Yes. Jesus. Yes. But it's a very interesting list. A very interesting list a very interesting list that's a good one I mean but man

Jordan Love man that joke showed me something last year Ocho he showed me something all season long especially when he got to the playoffs and he gonna

he gonna be better yeah yeah he's gonna be better mm-hmm um Jalen Hurst need to have a bounce back year. He didn't have a good year last year, Ocho.

I don't know if he was hurt. He was. Remember he had that big old knee brace? His knee was bothering him. His knee was bothering him. So he coming back healthy. He coming back healthy. I think they're going to be all right.

Especially they won't have a. They won't mess up like they did last year with starting 10-1 and then the guy they got Kelly Moore I think Kelly Moore

is their OC now isn't he? Isn't Kelly Moore in Philly? Yeah, Kelly Moore the former Cowboy OC Right Chargers OC he's now in Philly

Oh yeah, they're going to let that thing they're going to let that thing fly now they're going to let that thing fly if. They're going to let that thing fly. Kelly Moore is in there. But I think what the Eagles need to do, their identity is on offense, but defensively, well, baby, we got to come to the party and tackle, please.

We got to come to the party and tackle, please. Yeah, they were bad. That playoff game, that was embarrassing, man. It looked like they perfect they weren't trying to tackle on purpose it looked like they was doing it on purpose they've been doing it all year oh and you know you still got jay the minnesota because you know they they a rookie quarterback addison but you know addison and justin jefferson what's the tight end name

they got a nice tight end too though hawkinson hawkinson. Hawkinson, yeah. TJ Hawkinson. Yeah. Well, you know, Detroit got a tight end, Laporta. Laporta, yeah, he nice. He from Iowa. Hawkinson tore his ACL,

so it's going to be interesting to see does he start the season on the pub list and work his way back into it, or is he going to be good to go at the start of camp? Because I think he tore his knee. I think he tore his knee up in the playoff game, I think.

I hate seeing people get injured, man. Would you rather have Dak or Love? Dak got 29% of Love. The vote, your Love got 71%. Hey, Ocho,

you got to admit, he impressed you. What he did on the road at Dallas, that was very eh I think hey Ocho you gotta admit he impressed you what he did on the road at Dallas that was very impressive and he made one mistake in the 49ers game that ended up you know

rolling one way and threw back across his body and Greenlaw picked him but he was playing great that game yeah he was he was

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Hamilton was a first-round pick in 2022, and he turned into his stellar second season. He had 81 tackles, four interceptions, three sacks, 13 pass defense, forced fumble on his way to being named first-team All-Pro. Orr said, Kyle Hamilton is an ultimate chess piece. I think he's one of the top players in the league.

My goal for him is to one day win defensive player of the year. Well, join Ed Reed, Dale Suggs, and Ray Lewis, who did it twice. Here in one of the leagues, I think he has that kind of talent. He has that type of work ethic, and he's that type of person. Yeah, he is. Hell, hell. Oh, yeah, for sure. Listen, I've watched him.

When I think of Kyle Hamilton, even though he's had a short career, you can tell he is the centerpiece for that defense. Yeah, for sure. You can tell. Every week he jumps out on film. Every week he jumps out on film. He makes a spectacular play. Every time.

You know with the Ravens? You remember after that 2000 team, it was Ed and Ray. Yeah. You got Roquan Smith. You got Kyle Hamilton. Hamilton, yeah. Yeah.

And so that's what you need. But it's going to be hard, Ocho, for a defensive back to win the defensive player of the year. Oh, you got to be spectacular. You got to be spectacular. I'm talking about picking balls off and going to the house. Especially for safety. It's only been a handful of safeties to win that award.

Ed Reed won it. Troy won it. Troy won one. Ronnie won it. Kenny Easley won. I think Kenny won it in like 85. Ronnie won in the 80s. I can only think of

four off the top of my head. Now, a few corners, if you have a season like Gilmore, you remember Gilmore had that season? Yeah. Did, uh, hold on. Did what you call it with defensive player of the year? I don't think he ever won. Revis.

I don't think Revis won defensive player of the year, did he? Wait, 2009, he had to win in 2009. If he didn't, who did? If it was a year for Revis to win defensive player of the Year, did he? Wait, 2009? He had to win in 2009. If he didn't, who did? If it was a year for Revis to win Defensive Player of the Year, it would have been that 2009 season. I don't think we would ever, ever. You could play Madden for a season.

You'll never be able to have a season like Revis had that 2009 season. Unbelievable. So I'm not sure who won Defensive Player of the Year. Oh, yeah. Bob Sanders won. Remember Bob Sanders?

Bullet Bob. What you talking about? Bob had no regulation for his body at all. He didn't care. No, that's what broke his body. He coming downhill. Listen, Bob Sanders don't care nothing about his body. Mm-hmm.

Charles Woodson wanted him in Green Bay. Remember Don Medarius? I do. Didn't care nothing about his body. John Lynch hit like that too. You know, you got safeties. They come up to hit you and they gather. You know how you gather yourself, then you make contact?

Right. Oh, no, they running right through you, baby. They running right through you. Huh? Charles Woodson won in 09 what yeah so he had that grade of a year Revis never won

Revis never won so Charles must have had a good year that year I mean I know it wasn't anything like what Revis did but I mean listen Charles Woodson is always deserving, so you really, really can't take anything away from him. Yeah, those guys, I mean, those...

But now with the age of the pass rusher, guys getting 17, 18, 20 sacks. Yeah. So here are the last 10 winners. You got Miles Garrett, Nick Bosa, TJ Watt, Aaron Donald, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, JJ Watt, JJ Watt, Luke Keekly, JJ Watt, Terrell Suggs, Troy Palomaro, Charles Wilson, James Harrison, Bob Sanders,

Jason Tatum, Brian Urlacher, Jason Taylor, excuse me, Tatum, Jason Taylor, Brian Urlacher, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, and Michael Strahan. Ray Lewis won in 2000. Hey, you know, Kyle Hamilton, if they use him the right way and put him in places to make plays, he can. Well, they do a great job of moving around if he's what we think he is like in that same type of hybrid safety come down in the box being able to cover tight ends he can win he can win that he can win that award now he's more of a troy palomaro they line him up at a different place you see he got a sack total yeah he got pass defending he got batted balls he. Right. Ed, you put Ed in center field. Yeah.

And he, Ken Griffey Jr., he going to track it down. Every time. He going to track it down. Ed was so funny. Ed is one of the few safeties. You know how normally you read your keys when the ball snap, you backpedal? Yeah. I swear for God, we play Ed sometimes.

He'll start back so far like Dan punt return and come forward it was weird Palomaro when you watch defense when you watch film you see cover 4 cover 3 2 man 55 cover 3 whatever it may be

they would always be in a place they're not supposed to be and then when the ball snaps and then place they're not supposed to be and then when the ball snaps and then go where they're supposed to be so you never know what the hell they're doing I'm like bro how you in the A gap and you're supposed to be in the hole

and he just take off running and he end up in the hole or he end up in the too high shit I'm like bro there are only so many safeties that are that special, that are that special where they can be completely out of position,

but make sure they get where they need to be when the ball snaps and never miss a beat. Them dudes, those dudes are special, man. Talk about having range. Very.

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