Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Moore top spot for NO HC, Pagano coming out of retirement, Brady SB MVP trophy

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to reports that Eagles OC Kellen Moore is in the driver’s seat to be the next New Orleans Saints HC. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss longtime NFL coach Chuck Pagano coming out of retirement to join the Ravens as their senior secondary coach, Unc thinks the Super Bowl MVP trophy should be named after Tom Brady and much more!05:14 - Show start06:00 - Intro08:40 - Kellan Moore to Saints20:30 - Chuck Pagano Ravens secondary coach28:38 - Fox sees $8M in Super Bowl sales32:14 - Belichick wants Lombardi Trophy renamed as Brady Trophy54:00 - Jake Paul missing items(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They don't know what they're going to do, probably not going to have a quarterback. And so everybody, most of the coaches will say, look, this job is set up for failure. And I can't win with this much money over the cap. I can't win, probably not gonna have a quarterback. And this is a recipe for failure. Okay, yeah. Now you say it's a recipe for failure. First off, I want to ask a question. We're talking about the quarterback situation So I'm assuming Derek Carr is going to go on now, right?

His cap number is 51 million dollars Okay so at any point understanding the landscape of the NFL and Most of the teams already having a quarterback at the helm that they're going to go forward with Does Derek Carr consider taking a pay cut to stay with the Saints or they tell them, you know, forget that I'm not taking the pay cut. We're going to move on and we got, and we go with Spencer Rattlers, our starter. Uh, they got to have to make some tough decision.

Uh, very tough. This is Derek. Hard wants to play football. He does. I'm sure he's not ready to go anywhere right now. He's not. Uh, and, uh, he's not. He's not. All right. And when you look at some of the big dollar veterans, Cam Jordan, Honey Badger, the running back. Kamara? Yeah, Alvin Kamara. I mean, they just got so, they just, they just

kicked the can down the road for so long Oh Joe trying to go for it And you know you understand look you trying to win and I you can appreciate that but at some point in time That balloon paper that's gonna come do and when the balloon paper comes do Do you have enough money to pay that interest only loan? Right, and it seems like they're not gonna be in that position now You're gonna lose a lot of valuable players You're gonna probably not have a quarterback probably have that position. Now, you're going to lose a lot of valuable players. You're going to probably not have a quarterback, probably have to read the re-shift. This might be a total rebuild.

Right. You see, Cliff Kingsbury took his name out of it. Ben Johnson wouldn't even go. Aaron Glenn wouldn't even go. You see, it's being reported that Mike McCarthy said he's going to shift his focus to the 2026 hiring cycle. You see some of the other guys that said, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. So it's going to be interesting to see. Like I said, Oh Joe, it's just hard when you're, you want to be a head coach. You know, there's only 32 of these jobs and you never know when the opportunity is going to present itself again

He's hot right now with Joe his team here's the team that he's calling plays for is headed to the Super Bowl But you got to understand huh listen Kelly Moore even Kelly Moore knows people that understand the game of football also know that The team he's calling plays for have the players to execute the X's and O's, which is why they're successful, which is why they're going through the Super Bowl. Listen, if you're a play caller, well, god damn, god damn, it's easy to call plays when you got this damn supporting cast and personnel that you do have. It's easy. And for one, it starts with one position. You start with the quarterback. You got a quarterback, you got a supporting cast. You see what they got in that backfield, right? You got a quarterback, you got a supporting cast. You see who they got in that backfield, right?

Saquon. Come on now. Two outstanding receivers, outstanding tight end, top two offensive line in football, a young defense that can fly around to the football. Look at all those first round picks. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, N'Kobe Dean, you got Darius Lay,

you got Mitchell on one side, you got Cooper DeJong, you got Blankenship. I mean, you're loaded. You're absolutely loaded. Yeah. So this is the thing with understanding. You just said it yourself, the opportunities for headquarter jobs, they don't come around often enough. Yeah. So why not take the opportunity, even though you understand this might be a real good a rebuilding stage the owners

The GM they need to understand we a hundred million dollars over the goddamn can we gonna have issues? How much lease and how much leeway are they gonna get Kelly Moore to get that team back into? Contention respect respectability Where they can compete? How sure would his least be you already know how owners and GM's are? Oh, they paces is very short Yeah, I think they got the money they think they got a little money out there and that fixes everything That's not the way it works. It doesn't we were it doesn't hold me I'm hoping their car is willing to take a pay cut understand

You've made a tremendous amount of money to date. But if you want to continue to play the quarterback position for the New Orleans Saints, we need you to take a friendly pay cut. We upload a sign- Insane effect. Yeah. You know?

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he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, there's no such thing as all in area, but I think Kellen Moore for a very long time has wanted to be a head coach. And when you want something so bad and the opportunity presents itself, sometimes it's kind of like, oh, Joe, I want to get married. Man, I know this woman don't treat me good, but damn, I want to be married. And so I go put myself into a bad situation. I'm saying men, women, it doesn't matter. And sometimes this relate, I want to be in a

relationship so bad, I get into a relationship with a person that treats me like stir fry. Yes. But I want to be in a relationship. Even though I know this is not the right relationship for me. I'm on that. And I think Kelly Moore rip deep down. Kelly Moore knows this is not a winnable situation with the sir, with the money that they're over the cap, with the veteran players that they're going probably have to release and with the quarterback situation as uncertain as it is

It's like uh Because if you look at it for the most part Oh Joe you look at a division Baker Mayfield and Tristan in Tampa They seem to have Michael Pinnix Atlanta moving to Michael Pinnix and Bryce Young has shown Carolina I can do it. If you give, if you can protect me and give me some guys to throw the ball to, I've shown you I can stand tall. Forget my height, my size. I can stand tall.

Yes, sir. But New Orleans, man, this is a very, very tough situation for Kellan Moore. Because when you want to be something on show, it's like, I want to be a president or I want to be VP. This company like, uh, Shannon, you, you know, on Joe is like, I want to be a president or I want to be VP. But this company like, uh, Shannon, you know Shannon that company, that ain't the right fit for you, but I want to be an executive though. They're giving me that opportunity to be something

that I've always wanted to be. Yes sir. And you take that, you take that opportunity. And I just hope that in this situation, cause like I said, I don't know Kelly Moore. I think he's called him. I mean, you look at when he was in Dallas, they had top offices and whatever the case, they weren't able to get it done.

He didn't have that level of success is, uh, in, um, with the charges in LA, but he's gotten, like you said, he's gone there, uh, in Philly and it's been the perfect storm. You've got a running back that can run. They got an explosive run game. They got an efficient pass game and they play outstanding defense behind it and special team a recipe For success a recipe that can get you to and potentially win you the Super Bowl, but that's not what New Orleans has That's not what it has And so do you so

Would you if that's Ocho Ocho you got I'm gonna give you an opportunity to be a head coach and New Orleans. New Orleans come knocking on my door. Yes. All right. Well here say knock knock to me. All right. Knock knock.

Who's there? Uh, it's the New Orleans Saints brass. And we come to interview you. We really like for you to, uh, looking for a head coach and, um, Ms. Gail Benson has instructed me to come down and talk to you and, and hopefully, uh, we like what we hear and we can get a job. We can get a deal done today.

You know what? Looking at the landscape and the structure of the team in the state that it's in, being a hundred million dollars over the cap, I really do appreciate your offer. Opportunities like this don't present themselves often, especially to minorities. And with the understanding of the voting rule, it's been set in place for a reason and you guys are asking for me to interview for the job and by the sounds of it you'd like to hire me. But to me, it's more of a dead end.

I wouldn't call it a one way street because we really wouldn't be going nowhere. I appreciate the opportunity, but I would just have to turn this down and wait for the next coaching cycle or next coaching hiding cycle for that matter. With all due grace, I thank you for the opportunity, but I can't take this job. Are you telling us no? I mean, for the lack of better words and everything I said is all summed up. Fuck no. You're going to regret this. You effing, you effing, hey ho, you're going to regret this, Otosiko.

I gave you an opportunity of a lifetime. You black B. I'll keep going. Tell you what, you'll never work a day in the NFL again. I promise you that. We're going to see to it that you don't get a bleeping job. You hear me? You ungrateful ingrate You have a great days I was a listen I was very professional

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or wherever you get your podcasts. ["Rainbow Street Rave"] Longtime NFL head coach, Chuck Pagano is coming out of retirement to join the Raven staff as their senior secondary coach. It's a reunion for John Harbaugh, who hired Pagano to his first staff in 2008. 17 years later, Pagano, now 64 years of age, is back in Baltimore. I think he came in and filled in a little bit last year, started having like mid season because they were kind of struggling in pass defense. We know he was an outstanding defensive coordinator. He parlayed that into the job at an Indy. Did an unbelievable job there. I think they went to the playoffs a couple of times. I think

he was there with look, if I'm not mistaken, Ocho. I think he was there with Luck, because he ended up getting sick, having to step away, and Bruce Aron's BA ended up filling in, and they ended up in the Coach of the Year, and so forth like that. But do you like that Chuck Pagano is coming back to try to offer some assistance to do whatever they can to get the Ravens to the Super Bowl.

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. And when you think about it, the Ravens defensively were in the bottom half of the league, you know, statistic in almost all categories through the first half of the season. Yes. But on the goddamn defense, especially the secondary, which, which you could, you could, you can take advantage of at the beginning

of the season, midway through. I don't know what happened. I don't know they had a coming to a wait next hell moment. The second half of the season, the goddamn defense with them, they're top of the league in almost every statistical category. They had gotten very good. So having Chuck Pagano come in and do what he can do from a defensive standpoint and getting them right would be great where they can play a little bit more

consistently throughout the entirety of the season. Right. Listen, if I'm not mistaken, the Ravens only lost what four or five games, something like that. I think they lost five games. You count six when they lost the regular. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So, I mean, when you think about it, if he can improve that defense where at one point it used to be their identity, I think the Ravens have moved away from that with their defense was there, where they are with their identity, obviously Lamar Jackson, the running game and Derek Henry has taken over, but I think it would be good. Where they can play balanced football on both sides of the ball. I think they'd be dangerous, but obviously defense is not why they lost up.

We can start there. Defense is not why they lost in the playoffs. We know what happened. I don't want to revisit that again. But in the biggest moments, there are mistakes that you can't make. You can't beat the Ravens, beat themselves. I'm not putting it on one specific play at all. I'm not putting it on one specific play, you know.

But in big games like that, when you're playing another team that are just as good as you, which happened to be Buffalo, you can't beat yourself. The team that makes the fewest mistakes wins the game and that's the same thing that's gonna happen come Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday, right? Super Bowl Sunday. You got to minimize your mistakes and your turnovers and that goes, that's starting with the quarterback play You're absolutely right Because you you put your defense in a bad spot. You turn them all over three times Mm-hmm. You put your defense in a bad spot. Look at the teams are

Washington they got blown out. It turned them all over four times. You gave up 28 points on that Mm-hmm Fortunately for uh The Chiefs they turned the ball over soon early enough in the game They were over the overcoming but if you look at the Chiefs if you look at what they've done They've had one turnover in nine weeks You know with a lot of games on Joe taking care of the football. Yes, sir You can't win until you learn not to beat yourself.

You win by not losing. I don't need to win the game. I just don't need to lose it. Don't beat yourself. Don't, don't turn the ball over. Don't put the defense in harm's way. Don't let them score on your possessions. It's hard enough to score when you got the ball.

Right. But now you letting teams score on your possessions. It's hard enough to score when you got the ball. Right. But now you letting teams score on your possessions? Or you're shortening your possessions? You turn it over on first down. You turn it over on second down. Now you don't even get an opportunity to get a third down. You turn the ball over in the red zone. Now you don't get an opportunity to get points out of it. There's a host of reasons.

And, you know, look, I give John Harbaugh and I give that Ravens Brass credit because they're like, okay, it's leaking over here. Let's, let's plug this. Let's do this. Let's do that. But at some point in time, you just got to play mistake free football. That is cost you the last two years. Oh, Joe, if I'm not mistaken, they've gotten to turn the ball over six times, three in the AFC championship, three in the divisional round.

That's six turnovers. It's hard because the farther you go along, the more equal the teams are to you. Yep. So now you turn the ball over, you play as somebody that's equal, and you make mistakes. Now you allow them to get a leg up on you. So they're just gonna have to do a better job

of protecting the football. I don't think it was deep. Yes, they gave up 27 points, okay. But you gave up 27, but you put the ball in harm's way three times and you allowed them. Carol, you can't be careless with the football. Lamar let one get away. He'd sailed it. The guy broke it towards the sideline. He flattened it out. Lamar threw it high. Andrew's got one, got it punched out Can't turn it over don't you you just yeah, I think they have three turnovers or two turnovers in that game Andrews fumble

The mark Oh Lamar fumble remember he tried he tried to grab And then he tried to you know reach down and pick it up, and it squirted away from him, and Vaughn Miller scooped it up. So right, they had three turnovers. They just need to do a better job of protecting the football, little Joe. That, if I could tell them anything,

take care of the football and see what happens. If you go back and look, Lamar's gang in the playoffs, you look at the Ravens in the playoffs, they turn the ball over far more in the playoff you look at the Ravens in the playoffs. They turn the ball over far more in the playoff time Than they do on average in the regular season We turn it over like that. You're gonna get hot Because these teams that make the playoffs are really good and from the wild card to the division around

That's a better team from the division around to the championship game That's the better team and so when now you give them extra possessions, you turn the ball over, you let them score. You don't score because you get in the red zone and you turn it over. Ocho, that's a recipe for getting your butt kicked and going home and say, what do we do? How do we get over the hump? But I like it. I like it though.

Chuck Pagano going there, you look at the personnel he has to work with. Wiggins, very nice, had a very good season. Humphries coming back. Kyle Hamilton, who's the real deal. Yeah, yes. I ask Kyle Hamilton, he's the real deal. So him working with that defense. Roquon, I'm trying to think of something else.

Oh, Duke, Duke. Metabeequade. Metabeequade. Hey, you know, he's gonna have some good stuff to work with. So I'm even as a bangle, I'm excited for that. Kyle Bandois had an outstanding year. He was on the world, right? Kyle Bandois. I think he was, Ocho. I think he was.

The big guy, Pierce, is a rough stuffer, but he got to an interception. He couldn't take it. Hey, next time take that thing to the house bro. Hey, do what you're about. Hey, you don't get them off in there. They up now. He caught that thing and was like, uh-uh.

He thought about it Ocho, he took him like too hard quick. He like, hold on, I ain't took but two yards. Oh, that's another set. Oh, let me go and hold this thing. Hold up, y'all come on. He sl't took but two yards. Oh, that's another set. Oh, let's go hold this thing. Hold up. Oh, yeah, come on He's made that thing down Hey we're straight to the oxygen tape on the sideline Well, he definitely if he ran over to the end zone, he'd have been done. Ain't no way he coming back in that game Oh Joe, there's zero chance. He would have come back in that game if he took that to the house.

Zero. Yeah. Ocho, Fox has sold more than 10 Super Bowl commercial spots for over $8 million. The record price tag is up from just seven, from seven million just a year ago. Fox said it sold out its inventory for this year's game in November of 2024. Blame supply and demand for the increase. Last year game said a viewership record of 123 million people watching CBS and streaming services, according to Nielsen. Oh Joe.

30 seconds, eight million. It's worth it. It's worth it. You know, people have to understand how many eyes are watching, you know, not just here in the States, but globally, you know, watching the Superbowl. So this is very, this is one of the best ways to market and brand whatever you have going on. And obviously the entities that are able to afford the price point for that 30

second commercial or already big. I think what it comes into, what it comes up to now when we talk about Superbowl commercials, creativity. So yeah, how can we capture the eye and captivate the individual watching the viewer in 30 seconds? And you do that with creativity because what's one thing that we always get excited about? consumable commercials

Yeah, we always want to remember the commercials if it's not the Clydesdale the Clydesdale with the Dalmatian Doritos commercial Doritos has always been good Remember they had the frog, the bud. Why? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Hey, yeah, do something to catch that. Like, yeah. And I think, can you hear me now? Yeah. And it was just a continuation. And so you're absolutely right. You're right. It's worth it. It's only 30 seconds I think God's right you try to position in a situation where like people remember it because I so don't It's so many Right. It's so many what I mean probably what 200 spots

Hey, they go get them a They stop it every everything. Hey, can you, can you pretend like you injured so we can run to get to this commercial? Cause it all, anything at all. Cause angle, you ain't gonna see a whole lot of this. Hey, we going, you gonna see a lot of this. Yeah. With the orange gloves on.

And listen, for those entities and brands that can afford those 30 seconds, creativity is the biggest thing. Creativity, how can I draw the viewer in the eyes and make them remember this 30 seconds? Yes, you're absolutely right. Rito does a phenomenal job at it. Budweiser does a phenomenal job at it

because you talk about those commercials after seeing them for 30 seconds and hoping they come on again. And they rate them. And then, you know, the next day you go, okay, what best commercial? This was the best commercial. Whether it be this car, this car entity or the babies or the blood bowl. There's always something that you're going to have a rating and people are going to judge which one did you like the best?

What's the commercial that you remember the most? And you're absolutely right. I remember with Macintosh was that 1984? Uh-huh the Apple That was it So you had a commercials. That's a big part of it commercial in the halftime show Yeah, only two fan bases are happy. Oh chill my teammate in there You know, you know saying it's so what what do I gotta look for, Coach O?

Commercials and halftime. And halftime, yeah, you right. You right about that. Bill Belichick wants the Super Bowl trophy named after Tom Brady. Belichick proposed the idea on renaming the iconic Super Bowl trophy, Let's Go Podcast saying,

they don't name it after, they don't name it the star trophy, they name it the Lombardi trophy. they don't name it the star trophy they name it the Lombardi trophy maybe they should name it the Brady trophy what do you think coachell I like it I like it for what Tom Brady's been able to accomplish arguably the greatest quarterback of all time but it just sounds something about Vince Lombardi Lombombardi. It's different. As great as Brady was, Vince Lombardi. It just fits so much better. Yeah. Maybe there can be another award, you know, for quarterback play throughout the entirety of the season. I'll tell you what you do. Name the SUBO MVP trophy after him. Bingo. Now that's better.

Name the SUBO MVP, the Tom Brady, this year's Tom Brady award winner is Jaylen Hurts or Saquon Barkley, Patrick Mahomes, yada yada yada. It's just like they named what? The championship trophy, the most final, the finals after Bill Russell. Right. the championship trophy, the most final, the finals after Bill Russell. Right. Okay, fine, got no problem with that. You named the Eastern Conference most valuable player in the Eastern Conference finals after Larry Bird.

Maggie Johnson got the other one. Kobe Bryant has the All-Star Game MVP. Okay, if you wanna name a Trump, I got no problem with it. I don't think you can name the MVP I don't think you name the the Lee because what in NBA you got the Larry O'Brien Award Hmm, that's the trophy super. Well, obviously you got the Lombardi award

But no, I agree. I think Tom Brady seven MVPs the Super Bowl MVP Right to be named after Tom Brady. I got no qualms with that none whatsoever As a matter of fact, I'm advocating coach better checkouts. We stole your idea and we came over what better Don't push it. We're gonna push it We don't have enough trophies for named after the defensive player of the year. That should be LT award. That ain't, that's another one. She's the most dominating defender of all time.

Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I would, like I said, I wouldn't have no problem. I mean, it's going to be probably hard cause people are looking at LT off the field, so that's probably one of the things that's preventing it, but I think I said I wouldn't have no problem. I mean, it's gonna be probably hard because people will look at LT off the field So that's probably one of the things that's preventing it But I think universally he's regarded as the best defender in NFL history. You don't get no argument for me Having you know, I was in his era. I remember LT Remember Reggie played against I played it, you know

I didn't play against LT LT was injured the year that we would have, that we faced them and he was injured. But I played against LT, not LT. I played against Brucie, played against Reggie, rest his soul, time, Ray, whomever you think, DT, whatever you think the best defensive players are, especially in that era, era, I played against them. But LT, watching LT, taking LT off on tape tape and watching the members young, you know growing up Oh Joe Different he made because he's the only guy that made two positions famous

He made a left tackle in the rush and the rush out the rush linebacker rushing and whatever you want to call it Made him famous. Yeah. Yeah, everybody everybody had to go get that guy I oughta the TJ Watts the Vaughn Millers of the DeMarcus Wears, the Sean Merriman, Derek Thomas's. Where do you think that came from? OK, you needed somebody to block those guys. Right. So you got the Joe Jacobis and the Jim Lashade and Walter Jones and and all those guys. You got those. That's why you got them. The Jonathan Harkins. That's why you got them. The Jonathan Harkins. That's why you got them.

The McTritt Williams. That's why you got those guys. The Gary Zimmerman's because if you couldn't, if you didn't have one of them, you couldn't deal with the LT and you couldn't beat the Giants. Right. So you had to go get, so he made two positions famous because you had to block him on one side and you wanted to get a guy on the other side that was like that guy that could bend that edge that could turn speed to power.

That wasn't good enough to get the quarterback on the ground. I need this ball. Get you on the ground. Don't do this. They don't have the same meaning. If I take this ball from your ass. Oh yeah. And guess what you saw? Chop.

Now whatever the defender do, Ocho, chop. Chop every time. I need the ball. You got, damn you, because a lot of time, Ocho, if I just knock the ball out your hand, I get a sack and I can get the ball. If I just take you down, you hold him to the ball. Okay, I need this.

I like the sack. I want that ball. I want to create that turnover. I want to create that momentum changing plate Give our offense extra extra extra offensive series. Yes. Yes, but uh If Tom Brady if they were if they were to take a poll and said the Sumo the MVP is named after Brady Hey, as a matter of fact do it right now Tom politics hey you were paying politics to get them balls that you have more access to the balls and y'all rub them down and have them all looking all ugly like the balls they've been using them ball 40 years old Joe we had the ball that damn thing come from damn they're fresh out the pack. Hey, Tom Brady, this year's Tom Brady award winner is. That'd be pretty cool.

That man just got a, got a, got a, you know, got a, uh, an award named after it. He should. I mean, you win, you win as much as he's won. He's won five MVP, Superbowl MVPs. He's won seven Super Bowls. What else? I mean, what else do you want from it? The only thing he hasn't won is, is Walter Payton, man of the year. Yeah.

And that's because he probably won't now. But I wouldn't have a, I would not have a problem with if they were to name. I don't think you could, I don't mean personally, Ocho and I don't know what you think about this, but I don't think to name, I don't think you could, I don't mean personally, Ochoa, and I don't know what you think about this. I don't think we change Lombardi. No, it's too iconic. You know, I mean, but they don't have a name for the Super Bowl MVP. So Tom is the.

Yeah, that's, that's what would make it perfect. Because you gave, you put Bill Russell on the finals MVP because he won the most. Who won the most Super Bowls? Right. You know what, when I think about it too, we're talking about the idea of changing it. Who's responsible for giving the green light for that? Is it a team of people? Is it an individual?

Yeah, that's something the commissioner, I mean, the commissioner could do it as far as I know. Yeah. Um, okay. It's a great idea. I mean, talking to the commission, I don't see if I, I mean, I'm obviously I'm gonna see the commission when I, when I'm down there in New Orleans, I'm just going, I'm gonna put a bug in his ear. I know he's heard about it.

I just want to know his thoughts on it. Oh, who heard about it? The commission? No, yeah. I'm saying, about it. I just want to know his thoughts on it. Oh, who heard about it? The commission? No, yeah, I'm sure he has, you know, anytime, anytime something like that, uh, it is said by someone like a bill Belichick words has gotten back, not just the, to, to, to the commission, but to everybody, to everybody in response, had a say in changing a name to an MVP trophy It's gotten back to he's heard about it. Yeah and

Yeah, that'd be interesting that'd be interesting to see um, I Mean, maybe you put it to the boat. Maybe commission say guys what you thought guys think? The owners asked the owners. But who want to sponsor it? Y'all got somebody got $10 million to sponsor it. And the whatever the GMC Super Bowl MVP, the top radio award winner is X. Cause they gonna put somebody gonna be sponsoring it now. Just so you know, somebody gonna be smart in it now. So, you know, just so you know, somebody will be smart with it.

Absolutely. And they should. But I think Tom Brady would be the rightful owner. It would be the right name to put on the Super Bowl MVP trophy. The Tom Brady award. I like it. Yeah. They like it.

They wouldn't have any troubles getting a sponsor, especially to put behind that. No. Definitely wouldn't. And I like it. I mean, you know, it could be tough for him to get down to get down from the booth if he's calling the game to get down there time. Because unless it's a blow out on Joe, for the most part, and he's young enough, it's something that I mean, the thing is, I wish we could have seen Mr. Russell do it for about 40 years. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast,

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It's almost like the Heisman. When you see it, you know what it is. It's like, I think me, what do you think the most recognizable trophy is? Oh Joe, uh, the FIFA, the FIFA, the Heisman, the Lombardi, um, the world series trophy, uh, the Larry O'Brien award, the Stanley Cup, and Stanley Cup is a Lord Stanley. I mean, that'd be interesting. What do you think the most, the, the Bala, what is it, how you say it, Bala-ndur?

Bala-ndur? Bala-ndur. Okay, yeah. What do you think the most recognizable trophy is? Oh my goodness. That's a good question. I think if you stay in the USA, I say you probably say Heisman of the Lombardi.

Yeah, yeah, probably Heisman of the Lombardi. But if you take it globally. Oh, Balaan Durs. Balaan Durs. Oh, Belon, Belon Dores. Yeah, absolutely. Bigger than, more than Stanley Cup? Yeah, hell yeah. Okay.

They need to do, they need to do like the Stanley Cup, like everybody from the winning team, get the cup for a day. They need to let everybody get the Subo, the Lombardi for a day. Lombardi for a day? Yeah. Man, somebody gonna mess it up. Well, for a day. Party for a day? Yeah. Man somebody gonna mess it up. Well Gronk already done put a dent in it so so

but uh yeah they uh somebody should all team the uh everybody should get the players should get to keep the uh the trophy for a day. Yeah that'd be dope. But it ain't like Stanley Cubs because you can drink out of it and kids, I mean, ain't no telling what they've all done to that. They probably drank out of it. Somebody else probably do something else to it. But I tell you what they should do, Rose Sparks need to get me in the war.

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you ain't got no underlying condition because you know you gotta have a strong heart. Oh, poor. Wait, I got a strong heart. No, no, they gotta ask you some questions. You know you're not supposed to take other people medicine? I know, but what kind of questions they gonna ask me? Go fill out the question here. Go to roast barks calm slash right night cap

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I don't wanna change. Shannon Dingaling only. I don't know what it takes. Well let me tell you something. I know that you talk about it in the 60s when it was whites only, you know? Yeah. But when I was in kindergarten, when I was in kindergarten, there was something that we learned on the first day of school. The first day of school, my teacher came in and she wrote on the board, sharing

is caring. I don't care. That's one of the first things you learn in kindergarten. Sharing is caring. So if you have something, why not allow me to experience it and see what it can do for me before I decide to order it? When you go to book, when you go buy a car before you buy the car you test drive it Why can't I test the product like they used to do an American gangster with blue magic?

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Some good day. I bring back some good memories man back back in the days man. Yeah. Yeah Listen it ain't the same. It ain't the same like it was when I was you know, it's in the 20s and 30s, right? Hey, you you think you you 20s or 30s? I promise you. I promise you. I mean, you know, as a co-host, as a partner, as a friend, as two people that are in business, I mean, you would think, I mean, obviously I would think, you know, we're in a great space where, man, you got to try these and you would actually send some to me so I can experience it for myself. So I can be able to come on and tell, listen, this is what RoleSparks did for me. What? RoleSparks dissolved under your tongue for faster results. And by results, I mean downstairs, please gentlemen. Place, uh, plus they last up to 36 hours, Ocho.

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worth over $300,000 and he's on the hunt for whoever jacked his expensive watches from the luggage during a recent trip. He believes someone from TSA agents with sticky fingers are behind it. He told his brother Jake he no longer in possession of the 50 my $50,000 Oh tomorrow forget he gifted him for Christmas. It got stolen at the airport I have reasons to believe someone opened my bag during TSA and nabbed it

What you think what yo That's probably what happened That's probably what happened and the thing about it when I think about the airport I think about TSA If you're going through I would I would hope you know, you didn't you didn't check the the the bag downstairs They have cameras everywhere They have cameras everywhere. Especially you're going through TSA. So you can see if someone actually went in there. So he needs to go back and ask the airport for the footage, you know, and, and, and see, and see who got it, see his God damn watch.

Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta be, you gotta be careful. Oh Joe, you, you really gotta be careful. I mean, man, look at her. Like you always say, there's God forsaken economy and people looking for the come up.

They looking for the quick link. They trying to hit a link and keep it moving. Oh yeah. And I- Kind of hard, you know what I mean? Yeah. I just hate that. Kind of very difficult.

Yeah, difficult, Ocho. But there's some people, you know, you people just gotta stop thinking a certain jobs are beneath them And I ain't doing no construction that hard-ass work is hot it's quite one bro. It's a job Unfortunately, I'm sorry all the CEO positions of fields Unfortunately, you know I'm saying all the CMOs and CFOs and all those BBs and all those execs their field So, you know, you're probably gonna have to start your way at the bottom and work your way to the top Right. This is the thing about it too. Also when I think about it too, everybody especially in today's era

They want instant gratification, you know, they want to take all the shortcuts They want the instance what they want they want fast money. Everybody want to be a boss, but nobody want to put the work in Yeah, nobody put the work in and do the work that takes to become actually that You notice don't you you notice everybody want to be a boss, but don't nobody want to be told what to do. Oh They want to tell somebody what to do, but can't nobody tell them ish Huh They want to tell somebody what to do, but can't nobody tell them ish. Huh. So how does that work? At some point in time, everybody had to be told something. What to do, how to do it, when to do it.

You don't, you want to buy, you want to skip that step and go straight to the step where you're telling everybody you boss And everybody I'm a boss Yeah Man Hey, look at the one thing I can honestly say and anybody that's ever that I've ever worked for Can tell you I never had a problem with hard work another with hard work and never but anyway I'm gonna have no problem with hard work either but I know I didn't got where I need to get to now and I'm exploring the

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Oh Joe, we got a very special guest. All right. We got to, we got, we got to pivot. We got, we got to, we got to do something special. We got a very special guest join us. We got a three time W WBC champ at the super middle weight. He's 29 and Oh, 24 by KO. Joining us now, David Benavides. Yay!

Oh, he trying to get logged on. Is he closed close Ash? Bear with us chat. He's trying to, he's trying, he might be like me, uh, you know, not as tech savvy. And so we thought we had him logged. We thought we had him logged in. But I'm excited. David Benavides, the three time WBC champ at Super Middleweight super middleweight 29 and old record 24 by KO he takes on his next competitor.

Next opponent is David Morale. David Morale. The Mexican monster. I'm still I'm still I'm still I'm still waiting to spar. I mean, I've been asking David getting that thing, you know, go to work. Give me. We want to move on and come back. Ash. All right.

Uh, Ocho middle berries D three center Thomas Perry has been one of the biggest stock up guys at the East West Shrine through three days. Yeah. Check out these dominant reps. He's six foot five, 310 pounds against Georgia DT Warren Brinson. Let me see that. Let me see that. Oh my goodness.

Oh, you see that footwork. Oh, he said that. Oh, he said that. My goodness Are you see that footwork Watch you watch watch I sit down watch you know, but you sit down on it. Yeah What you did down there you go. Anchor down. Anchor down. Drop your hips son, drop your hips. Hey, that was nice. That was nice. Very important, but a lot of people can't see. At the point of attack, he's getting them hands inside. Now he needs to get them hands inside to keep the god damn feet alive.

Going left, right, and once he anchor down, once he drop that anchor down. Got him nice and I like that. He got a nice wide base. So the guy, what do you call it? Yep. Teacup him over tilled him one way or another. If his feet, if his base gets too narrow, I can take up one way or another. Look at his base.

Look at why this base is. Uh, that's good footwork. The watch. I just watched how you did. He's inside. Sit down on him. He tried to boy, you sit down, you see the defense alignment, he's trying to press it. So I was gonna try to bull it.

Let me anchor down on this thing. Right on. Drop anchor on me. That's good technique, good fundamentals. Awesome. Good handiness. Hey, he got, whoever his coach is, they did a hell of a job. Hell of a job. And maybe he went to, you know,

the college season for a lot of these guys have been over for an extended period of time. Now I don't know what his financial situations are, but you know, they got coaches, just like they got wide receiver coaches. They got running back coaches and quarterback coaches. They got guys, I know Willie, Big Willie, you know Willie, Willie Anderson.

Oh, hey, what? Hey, Big Willie the real deal now, but big Willie has a The Willie Anderson of his alignment. Yeah, I'll be like officer lineman Academy You know and big Willie is one of the one of the first I forgot what the technique is called one hand I don't know how to say it right I know some of the terminology not all of it But Willie has some techniques that he does teach and obviously listen he's he's up Speaking of big when he's up for the Hall of Fame. He's as a finalist. I'm hoping yes

I'm hoping next year man. He's one of the best right tackles ever played I've been a kid been for a while now. So I mean and that's what And that's the thing or two, you know, you got deep people to deal like Chuck Smith. I don't know if you know Chuck Chuck from Georgia with the, uh, I think Chuck went to Tennessee, had some great years at Atlanta, pass rush specialist. Teach you guys how to use the, Hey, wax on wax off, know how to stab. Hey, know how to rip, get skinny. Um, you know, there's a lot, there's a lot more to it.

People like, Oh man, he got a sack, but you don't understand what goes into it. There's an art to ass rushing. An art, it's an absolute art, and it's a beautiful thing. When you see that guy, and he doing this, go back and study Aaron Donald. And look at how Aaron Donald is doing this. All he wants to do, hey, show me what you gonna do.

If you get careless, he gonna whoop, get skinny, and he's charging. Go back and look at that play that he made at the end, against Cincinnati in the Super Bowl show. That joker got skinny, and boy, when he got skinny, got through there, he bent that edge edge and he was like, hey. It's hell listen, we got Benavidez coming up next, but when I think about office alignment playing, when I think about defensive alignment play and people don't understand the small intricacies that make the plays outside of just, they just see a guy just running forward. There's so much technique to it. And then the entire body has to be in unison with all the moves. It's like dancing.

Right. It's just like dancing. No, the better you are, everything has to be in one smooth motion, being able to counter what you see in a split second. Yep. In a split second. And we, and we do it the right way it's such a beautiful thing to see. It's a work of art. Man when you see those guys they

have a drill where they call it run the circle and they have that big old circle and the guys and they just run it right around and they lead it. You lead it. Yeah. Go back and look at DT. Go back and look at Brucey. Brucey was the biggest guy. Miles Garry reminds me a lot of Brucey. a guy his size that can be in a lot of these guys You know like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cuz you look at I think probably a mouse problem What six five six four to have six five probably 275? So he probably looks smaller than Bruce II Bruce II was the best guy got that size that could be in like a little guy DT had you know had had that flexibility.

Von Miller, another had a gum, but he was like almost double, double jointed that he could just like bend. You know, it's pretty good. Who had a unbelievable toolbox when it came to the deep end. Especially a great spin. You know, he get you going one way and you spin back underneath. Or we can talk about you, Dwight Freeney.

Yeah, that was his thing. He gonna push it, at some point in time, he ain't gonna do it early. He gonna set you up, he gonna push it to spin cycle, or you gonna get it. Yeah, yeah, he gonna set you up. Yeah, and he do it so quick, cause he hit that inside shoulder, and when he hit it, he do

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