Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: NFL Hall of Fame DENIES Bill Belichick + Shannon UNLEASHES on the Hall of Fame + Eli Manning MISSES out on Hall Of Fame for the 2ND TIME

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Tom Brady slamming the NFL Hall of Fame for snubbing Bill Belichick, Eli Manning will have to wait one more year to get into the Hall of Fame, and Joe talks about being nominated for the Basketball Hall of Fame and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 14:30 - Tom Brady livid about Belichick’s HoF snub50:05 - Eli Manning will have to wait at least 1 more year (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Grab those while you can to come out and watch Uncun Ocho Live and Nightcap. Episode one of Nightcap Outside Drop last night. Chad, let us know what you think in the channel. Let us know. We all got a poll up. Let us know what you think. Y'all saw your ball.

Y'all saw what I did. Y'all saw what Joe did. BTA, man. You know what I'm saying? Hey. Now he wanted to do stuff. I need to do stuff. Joe, you're here, but I need to do stuff that,

that's physically. that's physically, I got to use, come on, I'm Elcho, man. Hey, I'm damn this 60. You're, listen. Listen, what would that mean? What, what did that mean? That's your fault for being 60.

You know, hey, Joe. Now he wants to get out there run and play flag football. Listen, no, no, no, no, no. I need to do activities that I'm familiar with. Y'all did stuff for old people. I'm not old. Y'all did old people. Why you do all that talking to you?

You should have just kept your mouth closed. No, I mean, listen, they edited. to make y'all good. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho. Just,

just, just, just, just, just, just say, look, man,

Joe, you, you, you was, you was a bad mofo that day. O'clock,

did I. Just say, you were slow, you know. Joe, listen to me, Joe, listen to me.

A squirrel, even a clock is right two times a day, Joe. Hello. Well, you clearly you're not a clock because you

weren't right no time that day. So just say, just so you know. I tell you what, Now, next time we go and we do something, Yo, you go get your ass tore up again? Hey, hey, Joe, I was respecting my elders.

Now my elders talking trash. Hey, listen. Now I got to open up a can. I'm going to keep it real with you. I felt like I should have won. I should have won the, I felt like I should have won the cornhole and I should have won the golf. I just, you know how to.

So in other words, you should have won sweet steaks at the lawn club. Yeah, that, hey, I was trying to sweep it. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm trying to sleep it. I like the fact that Joe, you have confidence in these other crafts that you do outside of basketball. But I got something for y'all. I was trying to respect my elders and be respectful of you in the fact that you're handicapped in a sense. But I see.

I didn't bring the placard that day. So you didn't know I was handicapped. I put belt d'all. I was in a wheelchair with a belt ass. I was rolling around. Don't worry about it. I got. I got you.

Hey, you got, y'all got a look on the bright side, though. Think about this. See, y'all playing against me the best. So when we play against these other podcasters, y'all, y'all going to put BTA to them. You feel it? Hold on. Hold on.

We're playing against who, the best who? Come on, come on, Joe. You seen my work, you've seen my work, Ocho. Hey, Joe, that was a small sample size, Joe, and you just happened to win that day. Wait, okay, wait to the next episode. You think that was something. There he go.

There he go. See us head, Ocho, see what you started. Hey, hey, all right. See what you started, Ocho? All right. Yeah. He got after Russell talking. I wasn't even talking that much.

Oh, I'm about to blow you. Oh, I know you boys don't know how to play no golf. I know you guys can't put. Oh, you got too much muffling. Oh, Cho, you ain't never been on the golf course in your life. Yeah, I ain't never been on the golf course. We could tell you. That's not what I do.

That's not what I do. So, I mean, listen, he got that. I'm gonna let him head at. And you tried to cheat. Oh, Joe, did we not say sudden death? In sudden death in the golf, you play a hole. If somebody at home, you play a hole. If somebody.

holds out, it's over. You don't get the, well, I got three more shots. No, you don't, it's over. He cheated. It's all good. I just walked that thing like Tiger Woods. Hey, hey, I know what I know what I'm up against now, though. I see what going on.

I'm good. I'm good. I beat Tiger Hood. He never could be on a palm tree. Oh, on a palm tree, pull that thing out. Hey. Hey, hey, Joe, I would chilling. I were chilling.

I didn't even have on clothes to actually do activities. I would dress to go to dinner. So that's how you knew I was taking it serious. Hey, hey, I would dress to go to dinner. I gave you a compliment on that jacket too. With that jacket with 5900? Now, that about 12,000. Damn, hold on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That jacket was how much? About 12,000. And you want me double that? You see what I'm saying? Say what I'm saying, Joe? You see what I'm saying, Joe? Nah, and they're talking about, man,

you need to go easy on Ocho. Nah, I'm gonna find on Zoh. I'm gonna find that Zoh, say, I'll break him on the show. that wasn't had all that meeting on your old girl. Joe, I'm gonna break him on the show. Nah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, he could bring on. No, I'll bring him on. Oh, you could bring, oh, yeah, bring him, bring him too. Because he, listen, you got to understand. That's 1991. I don't surpass him three times over. So I ain't worry, I ain't worried about you bringing him on.

You know how they do. They get one up on us. Oh, yeah, you know, I told, oh, Joe, girl. You been old, oh, Chad. Yeah, yeah. The one from her. Bich high school. Yeah.

Right. What? Unk. Hey, Joe, can I tell you something, Joe? Go ahead. Go ahead. That was 4,276 girls ago. Dang.

You're up there with Will, right? Huh? You up there with Willing. Hey, I taught Willed everything. But here's the thing. This is what we do know. We still remember the one they got to it. 50 girls.

That's fine. 30 girls ago, a trick, 20,000. That's fine. Let me say. Give me my money. Hold on. If you take something for me, then you're doing me a favor, because that's one less expense.

There you go. Give me my money. I told you, I'm going to pay you at the show. I'm going to pay you at the show. I'm going to pay you at the show. I'm going to bring $59 in cash, and that's how you're going to go on the show. You know what? That's perfect.

Because the Mississippi Mad Squad are going to be there, they can sing at your funeral. If you don't have me my money, that's exactly what they can do. Hey, why y'all ain't tell me the news? Oh, I wasn't supposed to tell you. But anyway, I know what I'm like they might pull out now they say until you pay on his money they ain't singing the thing yeah hey Joe listen I'm I'm Joe I'm singing with the Mississippi mass choir which has always been a dream of mine you know they wanted they wanted me to sing with them when I was younger you know back in back in my early days and Joe hey uncle listen to me when I used to do my chores on on Saturdays yeah my grandma she would either have mehalla jackson plan either Reverend James Cleveland or the Mississippi mass choir so I always been a fan of them so I used to be through the house

you know mopping cleaning the grass with my cassette player listen to the mississippi mad choir so joe i get to live out my childhood dream at the show on thursday what hey hey hey oh joe you know i know i can sing huh no i ain't know that yeah joe i was on i was on america idol you was in the choir when you was younger yes you used to wear the guy you had to wear the robe and everything come yeah joe i used to lead i yeah i used to lead a junior i i left at the junior choir, Joe. Yeah. What you is,

a soprano? Oh, what are you? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh,

soprano. They call them Francis Scott off Keith. Who? You. Hey, Joe, listen to me, Joe.

Nah, On a hill, far away, stood an old rugged cross. Yeah, Hey, Joe, I can go, Joe.

Hey, Joe, I can go now. Okay. Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that, Joe. Okay. I'm excited. Hey, I appreciate that. As a matter of fact, everybody from the nightcap team, if you can hit me, I love you.

I love you. And then you don't know, you don't understand what this means to me, man. You don't understand. I wish my grandma, my mom are we here to see this, man. Boy. Hey, Joe, I'm for the cut up, Joe. You're for the end of food. You don't have me about $50,000. Man, listen, I'm going to drink some hot tea. Hey, some hot peppermint tea, Joe.

Oh, yeah. What? Oh, Lord. Have mercy. Hey, hey, oh, this, it's been, it's been three years now. I think you probably can charge that 5,900 to the game. But the boy had a cold. Yeah, you saw that.

Joe. You and I showed up, you and I showed up to compete. You see what I'm saying? We know the ones that ain't showing to compete. Them the one that have the freshest J's on, shirt tucked in their shorts, ain't going to do nothing. Yeah, and don't get off the bitch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't leave the bitch, Joe. The dude they got the highest work ain't left the bitch yet. See, this is what I didn't understand. This is what I'd understand. I had prepared myself, right? I didn't know it was going to be like that. I ain't know y'all was coming.

It really going to really be into it. So now that I understand how it's going to go from this point on, just know next time I'm coming in sweats and my shoes tied up, no glasses, no jacket, just ready to go. Okay. It don't matter. Okay. You're not weird enough.

It don't matter. It matter. It definitely matter. It definitely matter. And I would like to know what we do. No, no, that's the whole point. Didn't nobody know what we were doing ahead of time. Yeah, okay.

Well, that's why I would drag like that. Asked didn't tell me. You know. That's what I did. Don't do that. I didn't. You knew. You knew.

Put that on. I put that on my grandma. Had I known, first of all, she won't go tell because she won't meet him. She loves it best when I lose. Yeah. Well, you're going to lose. You're going to lose. Don't worry about that.

Hey, make sure y'all. I'm going to edit it so I look just like you are good and terrible. Nah, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do me like that. Hey, God, then I miss you the mask quiet. Ash got mad on Joe,

see, Ash didn't realize she ain't really look in the backyard that good that I got a cornhole set up. See what I mean? See, see, hey, Joe, see how you taking advantage of the situation? And sometimes when the dogs out there mess around, I go through a couple of bags, you know, see, get me, you know, get my toss right. You see how I was flying that thing over in the joke.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's all good. All right, let's get into it. Tom Brady joined the course of voices living. That coach Bill and Belichick was snubbed from being a pro football Hall of Fame, said the voting committed decision is completely ridiculous. The quarterback coach combination Brady and Belichick famously teamed to lead to patients to six Super Bowl victories,

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Oh, Joe. I honestly, it's effing ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's politics. Listen, as prestigious as it is to be able to get into the Hall of Fame and what it means, I mean, this kind of lessens the value of actually getting in based on accolades and resume. It lessens it. Because what's the criteria to get in the hall?

Obviously, he meets all that. When he comes to accolades, exceeds it. He's beyond meets it. Right. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. A lot of what you said had a lot of truth to it. We saw a situation a couple of days ago with the Tracy Morgan situation.

He got treated bad when he was younger. Now he's in a position that he could actually help somebody. He's like, no, I remember you. You bullied. I remember you. Come on now. Now, same thing. The people that Coach Belichick wrong way back.

when they tried to talk and he was smug and short. Now, listen, two things can be true. Yes, sir. They got to get back. Yeah. Chuck, uh, Vince Lombardi, coach Lombardi, coach Chuck Null, coach Tom Landry, coach Don Schuller, the four coaches that's entered the hall in on their first,

on their first try. They're the four first ballot coaches to go in in the Hall of Fame. Coach Belichick has more Super Bowl. bowls than any of those. He has more victories other than Kosula. He has more playoff wins, probably more than all of them combined,

more division titles. He's a, he's a, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. But I'm just trying to figure out where was the uproar when T.O. didn't go in. They, listen, chat, and I, this is not,

and I'm just not, a white or a black thing. I'm telling you a right and a wrong thing. What they did to T.O. was so egregious. They changed the rules to keep him out on the first ballot. They didn't change no rules. These are the same applicable rules that every member that's been voted on to go into the hall.

When they said no matter what a person does off the field, you can't use that to keep him out the hall. Only what he did on the field. When it came down to T.O. They changed the bylaws. What you did on the sidelines could be used against you. What you did in the facility could be used against you because they had nothing on him off the field. Tio has never been in trouble.

He's never run afoul with the law. He's never having this name be mentioned for any impropriety. T.O. He led the 49ers in receiving. He led the Eagles in receiving. He led the Cowboys in receiving. He led the bills in receiving. He led to bills in receiving.

in receiving. There are three men in the history of the NFL that's been a first team all pro with three different teams. One of them is one prime time Dion Sanders, first battle Hall of Famer. The other is Ted to Stork Hendricks. Hendrickson. He and one, Tara Owens, he's one of three men with 150 receiving touchdowns in the history of the game. Now we're not wrong. Now the Hall of Fame doesn't have, so now the Hall of Fame doesn't have. have any merit. When you kept there been so many guys that should have been a first ballot and you kept them out. I'm yes what they did to coach Belichick is egregious and he should have a first ballot hall of famer but so so should have T.O. So if you didn't want to change the

rules and say no what they did the T.O. was wrong. Now all of a sudden whoever didn't vote for coach Belichick it needs to be made public when there's never ever been a cry to make the votes public why now yeah yeah yeah i mean obviously because because it's close bellichick because it's both coach bellichick and it's egregious just as egregious as i'm not letting t o in and this is one of one of the things as as as much as the hall of fame means are so many you know and i i i just for me unc you know i am i and joe you know me as much as we've known each other umk you know me extremely well. And those who know me personally know I'm one that it never needed validation. I'm one that conducted myself in a way where I felt if I can't be authentic to myself and I still

be accepted and whatever it may be, I don't really care. You know, so Joe and Unk, you got to think when I put that Hall of Fame jacket on myself, Unk, you know that was not an approval of any and everybody. Even Coach Lewis, a joke came to me after the game. and say, you know what, that's not going to sit right with a whole lot of people, especially those voters. And I told Coach Lewis after the game, I say, Coach Lou, when I put that jacket on, that was to let you know and everybody else know, I don't need your validation. At that moment, after that touchdown and I crossed that 10,000 yard mark, that 10,000 yard mark,

I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy. And I don't need, which they probably wouldn't because I was always the problem child, Joe. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that perception that I had of enjoyment and having fun in my way and not conforming to what they felt I should have been like. No. At that moment, I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy.

Right. That's why I put the goddamn jacket on. Oh, Joe, Joe, I'm going to trip you out now. Now, this is what they're saying. They said that SpyGate and the Flake Gate might have had some bearing or some weight to it to keep Coach Belichick out. I don't know if you know this, but I was a criminal justice major.

Do you guys know what fruit of the poisonous tree is? So the way you, the way they do this, if you said coach Belichick got these Super Bowls and these victories, through ill-gotten means, who benefited from those ill-gotten means? There's a guy coming up

for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They say he to go. Yes, sir. It's going to be very interesting. Who would have been a beneficiary of Spigate? Who would have been a beneficiary of the Flakegate? Number 12. Are you going to keep Tom Brady out?

You're not. So why would you keep Coach Belichick? Hey, I got a question, Uncle Ocho. Who does the vote? Are these ex-clans? They do have, I think, like three or four players that do vote, but none of the almost 400. Most of it's 50 men and women.

The mere fact that sometimes, Joe, the way it does is that you have a writer from your city, from your team, and he makes an argument. When they went up to do Dan Marino, they said, Dan Marino, and they sought back down. When they did Peyton Manning and they sought back down, you don't even have to make a case. That should have been for Coach Belichick.

You already know his resume. The second most wins, the most playoff wins, 17, 18 division titles, six Super Bowls as a head coach, two as a defensive coordinator. His game plan is in the office. Hall of Fame when he shut down the K gun in Super Bowl. I think it was Super Bowl 20.

So there shouldn't have had it. There shouldn't be, they shouldn't have to, you shouldn't have to build a case. Mm-hmm. Because this plane is right there. You know what the man did. This is not no 1960. And I'm not saying you,

I'm not trying to discredit anybody, but this is the modern era. Anything that happened to the Super Bowl. The man, so in the last 25 years, have we ever seen a streak of, domination in the NFL and the history of the game, no. So it's going to be very interesting. These same 50 men and women that y'all said spy gate and the flake gate weighed into winning.

Well, who benefited? So that means nobody that played on those teams during those spy gate and the play gate can go into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot by your argument. I'm just using what you said because y'all use that. And then all of a sudden now don't know. know Bill Poli say he can't remember they just had to vote last week coach oh man you know they got oh you know they remember Joe they they they they know 15 20 years ago but I can't remember man there's so many guys because yeah we voting they got 120 guys we got to will it down to 75 we got to take it down to 50 we got to take it down to 25 and then we get it all the way down

the team and then we got a senior committee yeah so I can't remember all that over 15 years old Joe. Man, they remember. They remember. Hey, Joe, they pick and choose when they want to move the goal. They do. Depending on who it is. And this is, this was a, okay, now we got you.

Now we're going to get you back. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that's what I try to tell. Plows, Ocho. Yes. That is exactly how it works.

Because at the end of the day, Ojo, you got to realize, I understand you're supposed to take that out of it. But that's a human being. They got feelings. Yeah. You can't give somebody your ass to. kissing them, expect them to do you a solid, even though

that's what their job requires. But they're human at the end of the day, Joe. Yeah. Everybody knows Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot Hall of Fame. Because if he's not, well, who's this? I said the same thing with Tio. I say if Tio is not a first ballot

Hall of Fame receiver, I don't know who is. I don't. I really don't. I used to think I knew what a Hall of Famer was, having played in the game, having played against a lot of the guys that went in, because basically anybody that went in, say, 95 on, I probably played against them or saw them up close and personal.

So I know, and plus, oh, Joe, you know, we go in there, we break down meeting. We know the good player. Yeah. Now, what the media says and all the fan base to get all excited about, all I know is that when we took that guy off that tape, he wasn't one of the guys we circle. I'm going to leave it at that. So we know for them to do that to coach Bella check.

It's egregious, but I believe two things can be true. Go ahead, don't you? Yeah. And, Joe, that's some bull crap, man. I just, I hate when people are in positions of power. And I never would, I would love for players that are always asking to get in. I know they would love to be honored. But I hate the fact that some of them, they beg and they, and they hawk and they,

and they, and they try so bad to want to be a part of something. because of what it entails. Yeah. You know, and needing the validation just because you don't wear that gold jacket don't mean you wouldn't that boil in the field.

Right. You still, based on resume and accolades, when you turn that film on, it's still there. The numbers you put up, the stuff that you've done during your career is still there. Absolutely.

It ain't going nowhere. And I just, I would never ever give anybody, not just the Hall of Fame in general, never give anybody the satisfaction of knowing they got that over me and being able to control

and how I feel. It's a situation also. Mr. Kraft, what the hell we wait in on? Tell me an owner, and I get it. Some of these old owners, Mr. Modell, Art Modell. I won't disrespect him,

but I call him Mr. I call him Art. Look at what he does. You got Monday night football. He was the reason why. The benefit, the union, he's the reason why. But because he moved this team

from Cleveland to Baltimore because they the city, they wouldn't play for the upgrades to the stadium? He's the only owner. There's been, the Raiders go back and forth. The hell, the Raiders was moving like they had a mobile home.

Hook up the truck and just moving up and down. They go to Oakland, they back to L.A. They go to L.A. They go to L.A. They back to Oakland. Back and forth. Never had to leave the colors. The Rams. Y'all do, like, the Cardinals, y'all do realize the Cardinals used to be in St. Louis, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah. They moved. They didn't have to leave the colors. The Rams. The Rams originally started out. They weren't in, they were in California. Then they moved to Anaheim. Then they moved to St. Louis.

Moved them back. They never left their colors. The Colts. Mr. Ursay, Bob Ursey, moved him in the middle of the night in 1984, like a thief of the night. Load up the Mayflower bands and moved him. And he never left a color or record. The tech, the Tennessee,

They used to be the Houston Orlers. They went to Nashville first. Excuse me. Yeah, they went to Memphis. Was it Memphis? I think they went to Memphis first. But anyway, and then they went to Nashville. And never have to leave a color or record.

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I'm going to. I ate. Now if it let y'all know how I really feel. Hey. Because you're wrong. The way you did T.O. was absolutely wrong. The way you did Bill Belichick was wrong. Dead ass.

The way you've done Mr. Kraft and the way you've done Art Modell is wrong. And you know it. Yeah. They're making them pay, boy. How much more can I pay? I mean, Joe, how much more can I pay? I don't know, but, hey, it's obviously. It's obvious because, you know, his accolades meets the requirements.

I mean, obviously, we all know that Bill Belichick is the first ballot. You know, maybe due to the flake gate, all the shenanigans that is transpired with the Patriots, obviously, it didn't rub them people in a long way, man. It has. It has, Joe. But you know what, but I think the thing, look, Coach Belichick did not make it on any reporter to do their job. He didn't make it easy. He didn't.

No. I think we can. Two things can be true. He wasn't the easiest person to do your job, but he's more than worthy of being a first ballot hall of fame. Two things can be true. No question. And they are in this situation.

But I don't believe now because it's egregious on the level of T.O. That all of a sudden voters should have to reveal themselves. So now, I guess, let me see now, Ocho. So if we start doing this, I guess everybody that voted for a candidate that my candidate didn't win. I want to know everybody that voted for the other candidate. Now, I need to see names. Yeah.

You see how ridiculous that sound? They ain't going to do that. That's the whole point of the voting booth. That's why you go into Ochoo, you pull the curtain because don't nobody's supposed to see who you voted for. Or no. Now, if you want to tell, who knows, I don't know if I believe you're not, because you lie. People lie so much now. I don't know if I believe it.

Oh, I would never vote for him. Check. I wouldn't vote for her either. Check. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. But in this situation, everybody knows Coach Belichick.

It like Coach Belichick. It hurts him. See, like when your name came up, like when the first time my name came up in 2009, I was one of the, I think,

125. I got whittled down. And then I made the final 10. Made it to like, the final 10, final 10. Made it to like, the room of like the five because back then,

Ocho, the, uh, the coaches and, and owners winning like players, they've since changed that. They since changed that because an owner and a contributor, there are two different things, Ocho. They didn't, they, they don't know down field. So how you go in as the, at the equivalent of a player that actually played the game? So they changed that and I agree that. But next year I come back, Ocho, I got less votes the second year than I did the

first year. I said, you know what, if I didn't get in, I said, if you didn't like my stats this year, you're going to hate them next year because they're not going to get any better. And the guy that's coming behind me is going to have better stats. Yeah. I said, I can't add to it. I said, I wish I can go back and get me another 50 catches,

maybe another, you know, seven, eight touchdowns on show and go to a Super Bowl. Yeah. But there ain't nothing I can do. All I can do is just go back and look at my body of work. And don't compare me, don't compare me against Ozzie and Kellan and John Mack and Mike Dicca, look at everybody tight-ins that played in the 90. And look how far ahead I was than them.

And I played in a running scheme. Yes, sir. So I say, judge me by the 90s. Don't judge me by what Kellan and Ozzie and Dicka and Mackie and Christensen and all those guys, Dave Casper, because that's unfair. That's unfair to them. That's unfair to me.

I say, but my resume speaks for itself. Go ask the defensive coordinators that had the game playing me and asking what they thought of me. Oh, well, Dave, there you go. Yeah.

Ask Floyd Peters. Ask Gunther Cunningham. Yeah. Ask Coach Cowr. Yeah. Asked Coach Belichick. Asked it what they thought of me. Y'all see,

see, sometimes, oh, so sometimes the antics can overshadow the plate. And, you know, look, you know, me,

I'm having fun. Call the National Guard. I'm talking crazy to a lot of people. Oh, yeah. But all I know, my team's won. Period. See, that's not fair, man.

What? Hey, Joe. What's that? His team's won, but mine was losing. Hey, hey, oh Joe, you got to play the car. That's it. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I play one hell of a hand too, Joe. You hear me?

I played one hell of a hand too, right? Yes. Yeah. Look, they didn't say I couldn't have, we couldn't have fun while we're playing. Our job was the character. Right. Block, help our team win, get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, look.

And Cincinnati, you didn't have the best, you wasn't the best setup. I don't know if it was the most conducive for winning. I like it though. I understand. That's the hand. Look here. If we play in space, some people, Joe,

we play space, if you don't get any space, you throw the hand in. Some people play if you get face cards, you gotta play the hand, even if you don't have space. Well, Ocho, you have face cards. You didn't have space cards. But you had to play that damn hand. And you played it well.

You got a couple of books out of it. You got six pro balls. You got all pros. Yeah. Come on, Nat. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of you.

Oh, Choy, win, look here. The only, I've never heard, tell me the time you've seen a receiver, he has the most comeback wins. The only winning that matters is quarterbacks. That's why they have how many wins Tom Brady have. How many wins Peyton Manning have? How many wins pack your home? How many come from behind wins?

They don't put that. on anybody else. They don't get that title of the coaches. They don't give it to tight ends, wide receivers, defensive, nothing. So only winning is tied to the quarterback. That's the only one that winning matters to.

That's what they tell you. That's what they tell you when they want to get said guy in. Now, they want to keep you out. They're dead ass wrong. They know it. Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot hall of famer. Absolutely. I like Coach Belichick when he's not in Coach Belichick mode.

He's a really great guy to be around. I went to the Pro Bowl. with him and had a conversation sitting at the bar talking having a drink. I wouldn't drink at the time I was drinking virgin, strawberry, probably about 7,000 calories. But you know, we at the bar having a good old time. I was working with CBS at the time and I think it might have been who was the coach. I'm trying to think who the coach was.

I can't even remember who the damn coach was now. I mean, I know Coach Belichick was one with the coach. I'm trying to think who the quarterbacks were. I can't remember. But when you get Coach Belichick away, when he's not in New England and he's not in that focus mode, Ocho, he's great to be around. And everybody that's ever been around,

every player will tell you he's great to be around. But when he's in that mode, he's all business. Different. He's different. It's just like the quarterbacks. Payton open up a little bit. But when he get away from football, he just better have a good time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's there all the way down. Yeah. And it's long. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing about it, is, is this what I like?

I mean, Joe and Uncle, I tell you this all the time. I would love for players to stop being so PC and be themselves in front of cameras, but most of the time, depending on who you are, especially the face of the team, you have to conduct yourself a certain way.

Yeah. I am so happy, Joe, that I was able to not only play with Tom, but see Tom outside. when that guy's not rolling. I'm so happy I was able to see Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl outside when that cat is not rolling. That goddamn Bill Belichick,

who I worked with all last year on inside the NFL, I was glad to see that bill outside of the bill that everyone sees in front of that goddamn camera. Man, they ain't nothing like that in real life. He seemed a little more open on the NFL. He's more open than that at the bar. Joe, they know. nothing like that in real life and you would have to know them personally and it almost it almost to

them it it does them almost a disservice where the rest of the world can't see how really dope they are because they have to be one way when the cameras motherfucking roll my i'm sorry when the cameras they have to be so they have to be so button up because everybody's trying to get that gotcha moment with one of those guys yeah Peyton tom all these guys they're really really buttoned up when the cameras are around But when they're just hanging out with friends and buddies or being somewhere, hey, there is normal. You forget, hey, that's Tom Brady. Yeah, funny.

That's how it was when I played in Phoenix and we had the two-time MVP, Steve Nash. Y'all know, he used to go out with us, Uncle Ocho. He used to hang out with us. Steve? And she would be with us in the spot. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm a good old time. You know, Joe, I know Steve a little bit. You know, I play soccer with Steve all the time. He loves soccer. I play soccer with Steve all his time. Hey, hey, he used to, he liked playing hockey, too. We came to practice one day, you know, hockey and basketball. It's the national pastime.

Man, listen, Ocho, we came in, that man had on skates. He was out there on that ice. Used to see him, coach went crazy. Man, what did you out here doing? That man know what he doing, though. Hey, that boy will be moving on that ice, man. Yeah. Yeah.

You're different dudes. It's, it's embarrassing. It really is. I still think the Hall of Fame is prestigious. It's the, it's the heaven for the individual sport that you play basketball, football, baseball,

it's kind of, I guess it's kind of like going into the, if you're a musician, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ocho. If you're a professional bull rider, I think that's in Colorado Springs. It's your football. It's your football heaven.

It's your football mecca. I remember my grandmother, I called my grandmother when I finally got to call in 2011. I called my grandma. I said, hey, granny. She said, hey. I said, granted, I'm going to the Hall of Fame. I never forget.

She said, what's that, baby? I say, uh, I said, granted, that's where all the good players go. She said, hey, that show is good, son. That show good. I show hope I'm around to see it. Because at that time, OTG had gotten really, really sick. So this was in January, this was in January, beginning of February. she passed in July.

So she didn't actually, she didn't actually, you know what I'm saying, but she realized my grandmother knew she could not see that ceremony physically. She had to leave this place physically and go with me there spiritually because then that body wasn't going to take her. And so to hear like,

ooh, that show, that show good. She would always have my sister, let me find that boy on TV. My sister put the TV on because, you know, back then we were really good. So the Broncos always came on in that late window for, uh, yeah, for, uh, C, A, B, NBC, NBC. So we always came on the late window. It is a huge honor.

It is. It is a huge honor. But there has been some damage done by some players that didn't get in that should have gotten in. And even if, no matter what you think about Tio, and T.O should have been a first ballot. But then you're skipping McGahn on the second. Just to prove a point. and make the guy going on the third ballot, no matter what you think.

I think Tio is one of the three greatest receivers they ever play. I think it's Jerry. I think. Jerry, Randy and Tio. Now, you can flip, I think you can flip Tio and Randy. I think it's universal regard to Jerry is it. Jerry is it.

For me, Jerry is it. Some people like Randy, but I think you can say, but even if you're not like Ocho and I, Tio is not getting out of the top five of receivers that ever play this game. He's just not. No, absolutely not.

So with that being said, if that's not first ballot, I don't know what is. I don't. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't think DT, I don't think, did DT go in on the first ballot? I don't think D.T.

Went in on the first ballot. Come on, bro. Did anybody, did anybody watch D.T. From 1989 to 1999. Did anybody watch those 11 years? I got to see it up close and personal from 90 to 99. Yeah. Yeah.

They got your boy. They got me a nominee this year. Think about Ocho. Yeah. D.T. had to go five times. Before we got it now. Dang.

Anybody that played, anybody that played against D.T. Ask them. That first step, they need to stop. But see, this is what you get. Because you know what happens, Ocho. Once you let them, once they get away with keeping certain people out, they feel like that's a lot of power, Ocho.

Yeah. That's a lot of power, Joe. Hey, you know how you take, you know how you take your power back? Hey, Joe, you know how you take your power back? You create your own. Say effort. You create your own. Shoot, hey, I got me a 14-carat gold bus.

Yeah. Joe, you create your own bus. Oh. You create your own jacket. Shit. What y'all talking about? Oh, man. What you're going to get, uh?

That's crazy, man. Hey, hey, hold on. Let me show you mine. Hold on. I don't know who's going to get this. The kids. I might have to have the kids sell this because, boy, look here. They're only one of them, Joe.

The only one. You know, I got to keep them apart. I got to keep that part. They got to do waves and everything. They hooked you up. Hey. They hooked you up, bro. Some kids.

Where you are? Joe, what you got? Hold on. Hey, hey, it's in the showcase. It's too heavy to bring out. I got a 14-carried gold bus like that, but it's in the showcase. I can't carry the whole thing. Do you really, old Joe?

Yeah. Well, I don't, hey, Joe, I don't play. I'm not, I'm not, listen, them people ain't let me in, so I had to go make my own. No, you laughing. Why you laughing? Joe, I'm not playing. I'm 14-carried gold bus. When they do my game,

You know they're doing my game room for me, right? Yeah. So by the time we get to like sometime after battle times, yeah, they're doing my, because you told me, you told me my appearance. Nah, mine, so deduct $6,500 from the game room. Shoot that over to me. Wait, I, wait, you said it was 59. How do you get the $6,500?

Got to be some interest, yeah. Gotta be, oh, too. Three years. Hey, but, but, but, but, no, this is for the show, though. I need, I need the, I need the pre- presentation when we get on, I needed to look good. Yes. So, but the bus, the bus is gonna be in the background with, with, uh, with all our wards

and the nightcap, my nightcap sign is gonna be on. Like Joe, the whole thing going to look real nice, Joe. Yeah, uh, the chat would really appreciate if you cut that nightcap sign on. Oh, hold on, let me see if it worked. Hold on, hold on. It's too bright. What? Can they see it?

Oh, it ain't bad, Joe. It is the, it's the, it's the, it's the, distorted though, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I think because it's so far away, it's distorted. So we do we know,

do I wonder who also Eli Matt, are we going to talk about Eli later? or we're going to talk about that? Okay. Here's that. Armando Salgaro, one of the yes voters, claims there were voters in the room

who voiced their concerns about Spigate before voting, along with reinforcing the importance of voting process The Hall released a statement stressing actions will be taken if one or multiple voters committed a violation of the selection process. The Hall did not mention Belichick by name or identify the selection process bylaws may have been broken. One violation for would be an example, would be making a decision on a candidate based on non-football reasons. That does not, however, include Spigate.

Varagorean of the Kansas City, Vahigorian. I guess that's how he said that. I apologize. I know Gagoria. Kansas City Star became the first voter to outright confirm he voted against Belichick. He explained that he didn't vote against Belichick and craft so much as the other three seniors players in Shrine. Who was that? Anderson.

Who? I know Roger Craig and Elsie Greenwood. I don't know who Anderson is. Gagorian said he believed all five of the candidates were deserving, but was concerned that that the three players would have to wait much longer than Belichick, like many other senior candidates. Well, people say they wanted to put his name to it. I believe Elsie Greenwood.

Look, Elsie Greenwood was not as heralded as Minjo Green, Jack Lambert, Jack Hamm, Mel Blunt. But go back and look at those, that steel curtain defense, and look at the guy with the high top yellow shoes, don't you? Go back and look now. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember Elsie Greenwood. I remember those things.

Every Super Bowl they won. Especially in the late like 76, 77, 77, 78, 79. Yeah. Elsie was. What? Was he? I mean, they got, I mean, think about it. They got Joe Green, Hall of Fame, Ham, Lambert, Hall of Fame,

Mel Blunt Hall of Fame. Donny Shell Hall of Fame. So you got five Hall of Famers right there. And you got LC. You had Andy Russell, who was a perennial all-pro and pro-bo player. LC Greenwood was a Pro-Bo player. So it's not very many times that you got seven all-pro-pro-bo players on a defense at a given time.

And you're definitely not going to have five Hall of Famers in their prime together. Now, you might have a Hall of Fame to come later in his career, but they were all drafted to the Steelers. The Steelers drafted five Hall of Famers in 74. Well, they drafted four, Donny Shell was an undrafted free agent. Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Starworth, and Mike Webster. Their first four picks on, Ocho, in the Hall of Fame. And then Donny Shell was an undrafted fee agent, the fifth player.

So one draft class on a team, I think we got five in our 90 draft class, Ocho, of 250, 40 players. they got five of their first 12, 13, 14 picks. Wow. You ain't going to ever see that again. They don't know. Bill Nunn, Radio Rahin, that's his dad. With Bill Nunn, he was the guy to scouting, yes, for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Yeah. Oh, that's dope. Eli Manning, Ocho will have to wait at least one more year. The two-time Super Bowl winning MVP, reportedly did not receive enough votes to the election into the Pro Football Hall of Fame is the second year of eligibility. His career, 117 wins, 117 losses, and a substar passing stats to make it touch the job a Hall of Fame resume.

You see? A lot of times people just want to put all the credentials on. Oh, he won an MVP. He used the Subo, Subo, Subo, Subo. Hold on, so this is the second time. He didn't got skipped. Yep. it's tough because hold on

Jim Plunkett won two soupos he ain't in number and overall draft pick in 1970 if I'm not mistaken look that up I think Jim Plunk was 1970 and he still not in I don't think Jim Plunkin's not in because I think Archie I think Archie went second

I think Plunkett was one Archie was second in 1970 what you're thinking Ocho right call Eli should be in he should have to wait I think it's a right call it's a right call he was drafted first overall he's gonna get in

yeah you heard you hear me on he did uh actually looking at me talking about what did he do in 1970 uh with first overall didn't Archie go second

he was 71 right so 71 he and Archie two it's hold up how many times the Kurt one of half to wait because Kurt is a two-time

league MVP, an offensive player of the year, a Super Bowl MVP, and he had the three most passing yards in Super Bowl history before Tom broke him. And he had to wait. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they, they're going to make Eli wait. He's going to get in. Kurt had to wait. He's going to get regardless. He's going to get in. Joe. I don't know. Like I said, I used to, like I said, after they made DT wait five times, I was like, I don't know what the Hall of Fame is. I don't. They switch it up.

Johnny Randall had to wait. I know people look at Johnny's antics and, you know, him talking trash and him, you know, grunting and doing all that stuff. He was hell. Johnny Randall was hell. He was the real deal. Undercised, but Joe, he would kick an ass.

You can go. Yeah. Go. Hey, hey, when y'all got into the league, Uncle Ocho, was being in the Hall of Fame ever on y'all mind or just playing the game having fun? Boy, shoot, right? Joe, you see how I played the game?

Yo. I wasn't thinking nothing about that jacket, boy. Uncle, would you think about it? Joe, in 1991, we played in the Hall of Fame game. I went into the Hall of Fame and looked around. Had no idea. 20 years later. Yeah.

I got a bus in there. Yeah. For all the seventh round draft. Yeah. All I'm trying to do is make a team. I'm just trying to make the team, Joe. You don't think about the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame never came on my radar until Mark Kierisland said,

hey, at the rate you go in a couple more years like this, you're going to be a Hall of Fame candidate. I say, you think so? He's like, I know so. That was the first time the Hall of Fame even crossed my mind. That was in like 97. I agree. Hey, because look, when I came in, I just, hey, I wanted to make sure I belong.

I wanted to show that I alone that I could play in the NBA. It went until about 15, 14, 15 years when they was like, man, look, you almost said 20,000 points. It ain't but a few guys who got that, man. You might get a chance to get in there. But I never thought about getting in the Hall of Fame. I think since my career has been over. Yeah, I thought about it. While I was playing Ocho, yeah.

Man, it never crossed my mind, bro. I was just out there having fun and enjoying the game. Hold on, Joe. You got a nominee for the Hall of Fame, what? Yeah, I got a nominee this year. Ooh, that's my job, Joe. Hey, Ocho. That's what I'm talking about, boy.

I'm living right, man. It's a lot of good things happening for you, boy, over here. Yeah, Joe, when you get it, when you get it, when you get it, boy, I'm from to be there, what? Hey, boy, say less. They don't threaten me with no good time, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I ain't. never been to Springfield, man.

So I've gone up there. Yeah. Oh, that's what the Basketball Hall of Fame at in Springfield? Springfield, Massachusetts, baseball is Coopertown, New York. And obviously, football is a Canton, Ohio. Hey, boy, Joe, I got a suit for that, boy, Joe. I can't wait, but I got something for it. Hey, look, look, I got a suit for that, boy.

From the looks of it, it looked like I'm going to be in the nightcap Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah. With me, Joe, there you go. You see I do it? You see what I said? You see what I said? You see what I'm talking about? So we don't, hey, we don't create the monster.

Don't do that. Hey, listen, let's, listen. Don't do that. What y'all want from me? What y'all want for me? Come on, man. Come on, man. Just a little respect.

Just a little respect. I'm just keeping it 100. I'm just saying from how things going right now. Currently. Okay. Yeah. Hey, I'm just saying, oh, I don't know what you're going to do. Hey, hey, hey.

But I'm going to put a stop to this next, the next, the next taping. Let me, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, Joe. You getting a little too excited because we, we haven't done ping pong. haven't played pool. We haven't shot dark. You should, hey, you.

We ain't shot dark. There's so many things we haven't done yet, and you put, you got a little too much dip on your chip to be talking all that. Oh, Joe, oh Joe, all I want to do when, when at the end of the show when he had to do is, I want him to be like, and still. That ain't what happened, Joe. Hey, oh, man, hell no, Joe. Well, hey, Joe, well, okay.

Hey, Joe, you put, you. Okay. Hey, Joe, you putting the guy, hey, Joe, you putting the, you put in the eggs before the chicken now. Yeah. You putting the egg. You put the carriage before the horse now. I see what I'm up again. So I, what I'm up again.

Before the horse. The horse has to pull the cart, so he's always going to be in front. No, I said he put in the carriage before the horse. I know the carriage. Yes, you said the carriage or the cart? I said the carriage. Yes, yes, you're right. Oh, Joe, you got one right.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I'll be using that sometimes. I mean, normally it's the cart. I mean, people don't say. But we get what you say. You're also, so we. No, horse and carriage.

Horse and carry. You know the song. Yeah. Okay, my bad, my bad. My bad. Yeah. Tighten up, Joe. You're a big coming again.

Yeah. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. I'm locked down. Y'all don't worry about nothing. Hey, the funny thing about it is don't too many people, don't too many people out trash talk me. And the fact that you keep on egging on, like you really like that.

I don't like that, Joe. Well, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, Ocho, it can't be but one win out of all us. It can't, it ain't like all us can win and celebrate. So the one who do win, but I ain't doing a whole lot of talking, Joe. Oh, but you acted a fool on the golf joint. No, he did. He did. He did.

You really, you really set me off. You really set me out because you're acting a fool on that goal thing. You're acting a fool. Ocho, you're going to do. test of this Joe the one to talk about oh yeah I already know I already know I got this one before we even started Joe that was you that was you you said that oh oh so now y'all double team no no no we know I'm just going on now okay I'm used to hey I'm used to that I'm used to that just no hey just know when y'all see me ma'am I'm always have my A game with me I'm

always be lock man no anywhere with Joe we just got here I mean you know I mean you don't I mean you don't even know the rules of the game oh oh once I find not what it's going to be. I know y'all can't, oh, you got too much muscle. And I know Ocho ain't never been on the golf. I said, well, damn, Joe. It's all good. It's all good. Hey, I, uh, I wasn't too far off now. I wasn't true foul. But what did I tell you when he got the sudden death? I said it's over. Jall, I don't need a one putt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ocho, Ocho, you got a palm tree. You got to fight back. They don't call me on a palm tree for nothing.

Okay. Joe, Joe, you got to understand, Joe. I had on, I had on my clothes to go to dinner, Joe. I see. I see. That's the only reason.

You spit down. I took, I took one point and laid down. I said, I'm laying. I'm tired. Yeah. I'm sitting up.

Look, look. I'm ready to go. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, y'all, yeah, you're talking about, man, oh, man, oh, man,

look like it hurt. I won. Michael George. the flu. How did Michael Jordan look during the flu? Did he not drop 37? Yeah, he, hey, you ain't look like you were hurting me the way you were rolling on and crying all that. That's like I didn't do the synopede.

Next, what I'm going to do the centipede. You can't do something. I do sylipede. I might break dance. I got some of y'all. I might be turbo and boogaloo shrimp. I got some for y'all. What'd you got, Ocho?

You ain't got nothing for nobody. Hey, when we get back out there, when we get back out there, okay? I'm ready. I'm, I'm, I'm, boy, I, y'all going out talk with me, and I'm the original trash talk. Y'all, y'all got to go to go to go to go to fight, you can't talk if you can't out. Nightcap outside. For you guys that's in the chat that don't know what Ocho and Joe and myself are talking

about, go to a nightcap outside. We had some game. We were the New York at the lawn club. And, you know, we had some games and, you know, everybody, you know, everybody gets to talk in there. I can do this, I can do that. Hey, and we're going to shoot dice, Ocho. Ooh. Ooh.

I know, hey, I know. Hey, I want all that. Who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Hold on. We don't put no Celo. We play straight dice. Two dice.

Two dice. Oh, yeah, y'all done. Y'all definitely done. Because that, that's what I do. Hey, Joe, I don't know if you shoot dice. Um, you shoot dice? Really. I can show you, I can tell you.

Yeah, all right. I'm trying to hit a lid. Hey, hold on. We ain't, we ain't shoot no dice without no money. Okay, don't go back. All right. Bring your money. I need no excuses.

No, hey, we don't need a little bank row or big bank row. We don't need but a thousand. Whoever had, whoever had the most money at the end, that's who win. Okay, there we go. Say less. Hey, y'all already. And I get to win some money. I get to win some money mess with you, boys.

Hey, because I already know that Emmett Smith gonna break the game up. What number of Emmis Mill? That's a bad, bam, bam, bam. That's the game gone. Okay. Because I know everybody will jump on that 10 or four. Yeah.

And Lejo. And Lejo, I'm back though LaJoe all day long. Hey, speed limit. The old speed limit, that 55 will break up quick. Because everybody wants to jump on that 10 or fours with both feet. Hey, y'all doing the whole, baby. Hey, boy, you boys in trouble. Y'all doing a whole lot of talking for people that are amateurs that

shooting dice. That nine? How are you figuring out? Y'all are amateurs that shooting dice. Hey, what Jesse James carried? 45. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Don't nobody move with me.

Don't nobody move with me. Joe stay right with you are. Ocho, don't try to make anything sudden. Let me get this money right quick. Oh, yeah, this here gonna be a layup, fella. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Huh? Ooh, yeah. I like that. You all already know my point, my point nine. Nah, my point. Nah, Nina Rouse, Nina Rouse, the father. Bored and 54 died in 63.

What's my point, Joe? Yeah, I. Boyd and 54, died in 63. I would get that jacket above you, Ocho. Hey, keep that same energy. Oh, boy. Hey, if I could fit that jacket, Ocho head on another day, boy. You can, you can fit it.

You can fit it. You can fit it. You can fit it. You could fit it. It was the XL. You could fit it. Oh, yeah. up all you.

No, I think he can't. But that's okay. Your day coming, no, Joe. Oh Joe, he can't win nothing else. You see I ain't talk? He's not going to Reckless. Hey, you know why he's not going to win nothing else

because he's doing too much talking now. That's not what you do. You ain't no talk. Oh Joe, I really did this for bread and meat, man. If I didn't win, I didn't eat. That's what I'm trying to. You won't eat that day. You won't eat that day.

Yeah. Ah, uh-huh. You're going to be sitting in the corner. You're going to be sitting in the corner, Ocho. Man let your boy hold something. Nah. It don't take me one little thing just to set me off. And see, Uncle set me off and they go.

And y'all couldn't turn me off. Yeah. Hey, Ocho, you see how old, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Tracy Morgan did old boy with Joe said, let me get some, no. Nope. Yeah, all that's talking. Remember this. Hey, Chad.

We are. We got another episode for y'all coming up. There you go. Look at it. Look at you. You see it about Joe? You see him on Joe? I mean, I just said they're going to be entertained.

They're going to be entertained. That's what they hear of. They want to be entertained, guys. This is what we're here for. I got hurt. You got hurt? Hey, boy, when I tell you, when I tell you guys you guys my knees, my glute almost pulled my glute, fooling with y'all.

Hey, hey, hey, chat. I'm going to say one thing. I ain't going to bring it up no more. Okay, Ocho, I'm going to leave it along. But that movie the rip, boy ain't got nothing on what I did like an Ocho earlier. You see that?

You see that? You see that? There you go. Hey, you always talk about, man. Hey, oh, man, you need to chill on Ocho and ISO. Man, you need to do this. No, look at, look, look, look at what he doing now. You see what I'm talking about?

Okay. Hey, see what the problem is? We don't create it a monster. Oh, done. We don't create it a monster. It's a dropping Tuesday after the Super Bowl, Ocho. Okay. Okay, okay.

Perfect timing. Hey, make me look good, now. Make me look good. That's all right. Your day coming, oh, Joe. Yeah, no, your day coming, Joe. Your date, your date been passed. I got another date coming.

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