Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: NFLPA Report Cards, Jets Drama, & the Raider Way

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Chiefs getting an F- from the NFL, continued drama with the New York Jets and an ex-GM calling out Antonio Pierce 01:30 NFLPA hands out grades, including an F- to Chiefs for their facilities 06:00 Bengals receive F- for “Treatment of Families” and Food/cafeteria - Ocho disagrees 13:30 Ocho says he’s going to talk to Bengals players that commented on team facilities 32:00 NFL defines hip-drop tackles in latest rule change proposal 36:40 Jets have belief that Mecole Hardman leaked game plan to opponents 51:00 Michael Lombardi slams Antonio Pierce for not knowing “the Raider way” (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My bad. I got to get to work in the morning. Okay. So it's time for our first segment of the, of the night and it's called news cap. Let's take off right quick. Ocho, the NFL PA releases its team report card. The Chiefs, who won three Super Bowls in the last four years, were ranked 31st in the league in player satisfaction.

Only the Commanders had scored lower. Andy Reid was given an A-plus by the players, but owner Clark Hunt was given an F-minus, which I didn't even know was possible. I thought F was as low as you can go. They said, nah, we're going to take that thing a little step lower. Hunt basically promised to make things better

for the players that never delivered and had the most pathetic excuse imaginable. The team was promised a renovated locker room when they returned this season after winning the Super Bowl. Only new chairs were added.

Players were told they went too far in the playoffs and didn't have enough time to renovate. Oh, I see what he's saying because they weren't out of the locker room with enough time for them to renovate the locker room when they came back during maybe the offseason program or something like that but listen we talk about the chiefs right the owner's worth about 15 billion they're only worth about 15 billion but let's let's talk about this let's talk about the fact that these players patrick holmes andy reed kelsey the players on offense the players on defense they're doing something special that

other teams haven't been able to achieve they got an F but where it counts on the goddamn fucking field they're bringing home Lombardi trophies maybe the fact that it doesn't look like you're on vacation or the fact that it does look like you're in a goddamn resort when you're coming to work maybe that's the reason behind some of the success so if you change if you change the atmosphere inside the locker room where it looks like oh you're coming to goddamn cancun or you're coming to this nicest salon with all this modern furniture maybe the players lose that drive maybe the players lose that hunger to want to play and to want to win i mean i don't understand the problem this ain't vacation this is this is time to go to work

fuck all the goddamn amenities who cares about can we make it look like it's 2020 not I mean, I don't understand the problem. This ain't vacation. This is time to go to work. Fuck all the goddamn amenities. Who cares about the amenities? Can we make it look like it's 2020 and not 1960? Come on, man. I mean, listen, I understand. I know what your locker room looked like back then. Oh, we had nice locker rooms. It was nice.

And they modernized it since we left. Right, a little bit. To me, honestly, to me personally, I'm not sure how the players that they feel. Obviously, the players in this era are a little different. They want a little bit more. Man, I can give two. You know what's about this. The Bengals stayed in the first two years.

You wouldn't have stayed there. You wouldn't have stayed there. A dunk? What if they have no couch? Come on, man. You wouldn't have stayed there. It was a dive, a dunk. What if they have no couches? Come on. Every team has couches. I stayed in the players' lounge. I didn't need all that crazy stuff.

My mindset was I'm here to work. I'm here to play football. All that extra stuff, you know, that people are complaining about. And I even heard some of the stuff on the report cards about cafeteria and food yeah bingo's got it all like come on f minus or e minus ash i think that's the f minus you guys uh bingo's got a report card but the food really stands out team does not employ a full-time dietician something that the dietician in addition to uh they rank 30th in food taste and 31st in food freshness who cares we rank number one in the culture being changed and what zach taylor's been able to do

they worry about all this dumb shit man when they when you wait listen when them players they pay you enough money they pay you enough money have a goddamn meal prep make you goddamn meal before you come to the stadium before before you go to work. Look how the culture and the winning culture has changed. Now we complain about goddamn food and the cafeteria and diet and nutrition. I've always been bad with food. You would think you would adapt to the times after you start winning, Ocho. Listen. So what you doing with all that money?

Okay. The salary cap just went up to $255 million. Okay. Right. We giving it to the players. We giving it to the players. We giving it to the players. We're giving it to the players. We're giving it to the players. You want paydays? You want to make all your

money? And now you're complaining about the goddamn locker room and the chairs and the couches and the motherfucking lights and the music and the surround sound system and all that. Come on, man. Let's just play football. Keep in mind what the end goal is. Playing football, winning the division, and winning the goddamn

Lombardi trophy not all these dumbass amenities that you get when you go on fucking vacation to Cancun and the Bahamas they're one of four teams that don't offer neither family room nor daycare for players and families on game day you cool with that huh they're one of four

teams that offer neither a family room nor daycare for players families on game day are you okay with that i mean listen they have a suite for the families when it's time to watch the game they have a family section for the families when it's time for the games now you mean we have to accommodate your family when the game is over you wait like they like my family used to do. You wait outside, you wait outside. So now you want the owners,

the accommodation family too. We already paying you on top of the millions. We paying you now to accommodate everybody else that's coming to the game. Oh no. We accommodate to give them a room so they can stand and don't have to be with the regular, the regular fans. Yeah. That's asking too much.

No, no, no, no, no, no. The family has a family section that they congregate at. After the game. After the games. Downstairs. They're the only ones that are able to go into that area. Well, guess what? The players said no.

The players gave you an F. Say you're 30th in food taste, 31st in food freshness, and you're one of four teams to offer neither family rule nor daycare for players' families on game day. Now that's what your players say. You know what? I don't care about us getting F because right now the goddamn Bengals

have a winning culture. Everything has changed when it comes to playing and we are respected in the public eye and that's all that matters. I don't care about no cafeteria. I don't care about nutrition. I don't care about no diet. I don't care about nutrition. I don't care about no diet. We know that you don't care about nutrition, but a lot of players in today's game do. And that's the problem.

That's why a lot of players keep getting hurt because they worry about the wrong stuff. You worry about the wrong shit. Tom Brady, how was his nutrition? He's retired. He played 23 seasons. How was that? He's retired. Why would he play. How was that? But he's retired.

He's retired. LeBron James played 21 seasons. Playing at an elite level. Who? LeBron James. Why are you naming people? Why are you naming people that are not like anyone else you be talking about? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Maybe they could be. If you fed them properly. If you housed them properly. No, maybe they could not. Because who you are is who you are. And what you eat is not going to make you any goddamn better. Stop selling me with that dream like these companies do. That's foolish.

Child, please. So, you know, we know it's foolish. Listen, stay with me real quick. Stay with me real quick. People, people in the chat, please stop believing that if you eat healthy, if you eat all the right stuff and you have a nutritionist and you have a meal prepper, you have a goddamn diet,

all of a sudden you're going to be great at what you do. Nobody and you have a meal prepper, you have a goddamn diet. All of a sudden, you're going to be great at what you do. Nobody said all of a sudden. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me, the food you eat, what you consume is not going to make you great. There's a certain God given ability, the work you have to put in and the skillset that you have. Not all of that. That's a combination. No.

Because let me ask you a question. Wait, let me, let me finish. Either you got it or you don't. You can work your ass off. Come, come sundown.

The sunrise. Either you got it. If you ran a six flat 40 and still ran routes like you did, you think you're getting open? Yeah. Stop it now. Come on. Oh, Joe.. You think you're getting open? Yeah. Stop it now. Come on, Ocho. So why are you using a hypothetical

when I didn't run six laps? I was fast. I was fast. It was a combination of your speed and your route running ability. One without the other. Wait a minute. So if you run a 4.3 with no...

Hold on. Wait a minute. There were other things. There were other things. There were other things, other small nuances that I was excellent at that made me a great route runner. It's understanding leverage, understanding the DBs, understanding the defense, knowing what he's trying to take away from me. There's so many different components.

And none of them... Wait. None of those components had anything to do with what I consumed before and after games. Had nothing to do with what I consumed before and after games. All that may be true. You can understand leverage. You can understand the nuances. But running a six flat 40 at Tom Brady speed, you're not getting open.

You know that? I don't run a six flat though. That's my point. Thank you. Because you're trying to make it. You're trying to put it in a vacuum saying this. I'm saying it's a combination of all things that make you

that. Thank you. Thank you. I don't agree. I don't agree. I don't agree. I just don't like the fact that you're doing what the companies do. What you're doing, you're doing what the companies do and doing and being able to sell a product. Well, listen, if you eat what we have, you might have played 14 years maybe you're gonna play 14 years maybe you

play 15 years had you ate right who i played 12 that was long enough how long you want me to play how long we don't like you talk we didn't count no we didn't count no last year we're not counting no last year wait stop the average the average n to play? I played very long. We didn't count no last two. Wait, stop. The average NFL career in two to three years. That's it. Are you average? So why are you putting yourself in a category that you're not in? I was extraordinary. Why are you putting yourself in a category that you're not in?

I was extraordinary. No, no, no. You said the average. Are you average? Yes or no? Okay, so that doesn't apply. I'm extraordinary. That's not applicable to you.

Okay. Well, actually, it's not applicable to you okay well actually it's not applicable to anybody and the fact that these companies are selling us a lie and a goddamn dream that if you consume what we have you're going to be that much better than what you are no that's not how it works see what you're doing is that you're saying this i'm saying a combination of those things yes god-given ability yes work ethic yes hard work yes yes but but listen uncle you got all these young fellas they eating like rabbits they eating like rabbits they eating these small portions all this green shit then you're going out there playing a barbaric sport and you wonder why you keep breaking everything you wonder

why this is tearing you wonder why this is pulling you know why because you're eating the fucking garbage that they saying you need to eat in order to be fucking great it's not simple it's common sense that's the problem i believe i believe i'm telling you if you we got people we got listen we got people we're going out there just jogging just walking tearing achilles non-cat non-contact injuries why is is that? All of a sudden, that never happened when I was playing. Never happened. I had no injuries. 12-year career, nothing, except a dislocated pinky. Look, I came and straightened

it up. It looked like I got ED. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. You're taking your situation and you're saying because I did this and you're saying everybody should succumb to that. No, they shouldn't succumb to it. You do it. It works for your body, but I'm just telling you said everybody should succumb to that. No, they shouldn't succumb to it. You do it. It works for your body, but I'm just telling

you the fact that we have this notion that what we put in our bodies is going to make us play at this extremely high level like Tom Brady and LeBron James. See, I'm not saying that just because you eat healthy. If you're not a good athlete, no matter what you eat, it's going to make you a better athlete.

I'm saying there's a reason why race cars and airplanes put certain level of fuel in that vehicle, in that plane. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. See, you're trying to make it

mutually exclusive, and it's not. I believe you can do it. It needs to be a combination of this, this, this, and this. Okay.

I got you. Okay. We, we, you know what? This is what I like about it. I fucking love you. We can,

we can agree to disagree, but I think part of the reasons injuries are up. So goddamn high now is because of the antique intake and what the players are consuming these days. I think the players train too much personally, but that's just me. Hold on. They said daycare on game day for kids you guys don't have and somewhere better than a tent outside for families together after the game. Now, that's what the players are saying. Are you still a player in Cincinnati?

Yes, I'm still a part of the team. Are you still a player? Yes. I never retired I didn't retire. Don't worry about it. They already sent you to five years. But anyway, they said somewhere better than a tent outside for families together after the game. That is what the players are saying. We're not talking about you when you

got your ceremony. No, we know this is what we could do. This is what we could do. This is what the owners are going to do. Since you guys want to gripe about all the extra amenities and stuff that you don't have, then we'll take some of that when it's time to get paid. We'll take some of the money. We'll take some of the money that you're asking for when it's time to get paid and use that instead to make sure to accommodate the families and accommodate the kids and do things like

that. I bet they won't agree then. I bet they won't agree then. I bet they won't agree then. You want all your goddamn money. Then you want to complain about all the other things that have nothing to do with the goddamn game. Fellas, we got to get it together. I'm going to talk to my Bengals

players and find out who has this issue because we need to focus on the bottom line. Y'all never focused on the bottom line. They're doing something because they're complaining and winning which Cincinnati hadn't done at a very high level in a very long time. Right. You know,

can I tell you why we're winning? Can I give you a small example why we're winning? Joe Burrow, Zach Taylor, Jamar Chase, Tyler Boyd. You want me to keep going? What about Carson Palmer, Ocho Cinco Johnson, TJ Huzmanzada, Henry, when y'all had the running back, Corey Dillon, when y'all

had the other running back. So why y'all didn't win at this level? Rudy Johnson, Cedric Benson. We had some good years. We had that 2005 year. That was our year. If Carson didn't go down, if Carson didn't go down... You're doing a lot of F's again. You told me about using them F's in hypotheticals. You told me I couldn't use hypotheticals.

All right. But I'm just telling you. No, no, you didn't tell me definitive. I think you just gave me something that doesn't require hypothetical. Okay. We're winning. The culture has changed. What matters in Cincinnati has changed. Clearly, that matters to the players, or they wouldn't complain about it.

You complain about... Do you complain about things that don't matter? You don't complain about flight because you say it doesn't matter because you're going to get there on time. Clearly they're complaining about it because it bothers them. It don't bother them. It don't bother them. As a matter of fact, you know what? I don't even trust this. I don't even trust this because I don't even think the players voted.

Who voted? I think somebody made this up. I don't even think. Because they didn't even think the players voted. I think somebody made this up. I don't even think because they ain't asked. You're not a current player. Why would they ask you when you're not a current player? I'm just saying I listen. I guarantee. Matter of fact, I call Chase right now. He ain't the only player on the team. Okay.

Well, well, hey, listen, we can agree to disagree. I think, listen, my main focus is walking there. That this thing about Kansas City is made up. That's not true. Kansas City should be the last. I'm not saying they're winning. I'm just asking, are you saying they're lying, that this survey is a lie?

I don't know. I'll call Pat Mahomes after this and ask him. Because Miami, the Dolphins, they dolphin they said 1706 of our players provided information to the nflpa about the current job the current club 1706 so 30 so 32 clubs times 53 that's damn near all of them so all but about 200 players responded yeah well i tell you i tell you i tell you what now when it's time to time to get paid, how about they take some of that money we asking for, and then they use that for all amenities, and they're proving the goddamn

locker rooms and the family section for your family. I guarantee they won't kill no more than that. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Wait, wait, wait, let me finish. We need to focus on the end goal. We coming in there to work. This ain't no goddamn resort.

This ain't goddamn vacation. We can vacation when the season is over. Let's focus on what we came to do. Go to meetings. Go to practice. Out of practice. Watch film. Hit the cold tub.

Do your therapy. Do y'all got cold tub? Whatever else you need to do, take your ass home. Do y'all got amenities like that? Yeah, always. I got a cold tub right here in the house. Because, I mean, when I saw that, y'all the minutes was a little scarce. No, we was good.

We was good. It was good enough for me to go out and perform every Sunday, whether it was playing home or on the way. I'm just, I'm like. Hey, hey, hey, can I tell you something? I like this topic. Hey, listen, I'm so passionate about this. I like this topic.

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What prices? The ones that owners keep raising and charging fans to get into the stadium. Oh. And for soda. No, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now I need you to have that same energy. Okay, what about the owners that want to increase the tax to increase the value of their team?

You okay with that? Huh? Yes. Am I okay with that? No. No, no. Now I need you to get on my soapbox. You just said you about 12 feet tall. Now I need you to argue. I need you to my i need you to my soapbox you just said you about 12 feet tall then i need you to argue i need you to argue for the fans no no i need you to listen

hear me out stay with me now stay with me now i need you to argue for the fans just like you argued in support of the uh the owners take off okay can you hear me just fine did you see the ticket prices for the carolina panthers this year i just want just stay with me just fine did you see the ticket prices for the carolina panthers this year i just want just stay with me real quick did you see the ticket prices for the carolina panthers this year you see how low they were yeah so for the fans for the fans in cincinnati i guarantee i guarantee you ask any fan i think the stadium seats 75 y'all ain't see no 75 000 stop it Y'all ain't see no 75,000. Stop it.

Man, we still out every home game. What you talking about? 55,000? Y'all ain't got no 75,000 seat stadium? Paid core stadium seat 75,000. What you telling me? Let me finish. Let me finish. I guarantee you as any Cincinnati fan,

if the prices are being raised, the prices are being raised because you know you have a winning organization now and the team is winning. Oh wait i guarantee you none of them have a problem because the end result is exactly what the fans the boys wanted i guarantee you that theory if the players are starting to win they can't complain because they're winning but the fans shouldn't be able to complain because the team is winning well i, I mean, listen, you got to come on now. You got to pick your poison now. What you want?

You want to lose and have cheap? You want to be losing and you want the tickets to be cheap as hell? Or you'd rather be winning and get your money's worth on what you're paying for? Well, I don't want you to raise my ticket every year. I don't want you to raise the ticket price every year. What happens to rent every year? What happens to rent every year? What happened to prices everywhere in this economy i've got to pay my rent i've got to pay a mortgage i ain't got to go watch the bingo what does it do what i'm asking you though stay with me now what does it do every year and all businesses in this economy

what goes up every year no matter what it just it just inflation is just the way that the business works but see here but i guarantee you if tickets are a hundred dollars for bangles games guess who paying a hundred dollars every single fan because they know the product that they get on sundays on that field they don't have a problem with that they know at the end of the day my bang Bengals teams are winning as opposed to when goddamn tickets was $20 and nobody was showing up. I remember the day when we were losing

so bad, I had to buy out the rest of the tickets so we wouldn't be blacked out on TV. I remember that. What's the seating capacity of the Bengals stadium? $75,000. This is a good topic, 75 000 this is a good topic man this is a good fucking 65 5 65 5 you got 65 000 people in that stadium you're not as big as you're not as big as mile high you're not as big as some of these big big as mile high. You're not as big as some of these big, big

I don't know what the bills but the bills used to hold 80,000. You're not that old, Joe. Wait, let me tell you the difference. This is the problem which you don't understand. We have made renovations to Paycore Stadium. There's a certain area where you can stand up and it holds 10,000. Even with that standing

room only, 65,000. That's 75,000. 65,000 for standing room. They factor that in. You hating on us. You're not the Cowboys. It's 65,000 seats. You're not the Cowboys.

The occupation for standing room is 10,000. You mad. You're not the Broncos. You're not the Packers. The Bron more. You're not the Packers. The Broncos. Hey, the Broncos, y'all don't even count. We better than y'all. We better.

When the last time the Broncos beat the Bengals? What? Yeah. When the last time the Broncos beat the Bengals? Y'all don't even have no quarterback. Y'all don't even have no quarterback. There are 32 teams in the NFL. The Bengals stadium Is the 7th smallest

The 7th smallest Hey there are 32 teams in the NFL And we the 3rd best You're the 7th smallest We still the best We better than y'all We don't care about the size of the stadium Who has the better team

We got Lombardi I go walk in and Paul D. Bowling, that center, and I see three Lombardi. If I walk into Paul Brown Stadium, what I'm going to see? Joe Burrow. He better than everything y'all got. Nah. We got Lombardi.

We got Jamar Chase. That's the pass. Stop living on the past. We got nothing. We better get out right now. Y'all got Munoz. Y'all got Munoz. They got me too.

I put my own jacket on. Now what? Nah. Yeah, dude. 101. That's a century 21 jacket. It don't matter. Hold on.

According to the Sports Business Journal, some executives are trying to downplay the survey because, of course, they do. All apart of evidence to deny, deflect, dispute, undeniable feedback from the players. Because here's the thing. In the collective bargaining agreement, you know there are certain things that are supposed to be met

by each and every team. I think that's the crux of it. I don't think they're trying to say, oh, this team is bad. But, ho, on the collective bargaining agreement, there are certain amenities that were supposed to be afforded in the collective bargaining agreement, like meals.

When I played my last couple years, we got breakfast. But proud of that, you got no breakfast. You got lunch. Now both teams give you breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Wait. We had nutritionists when I was playing. We had breakfast, lunch, and dinner when I was playing.

I'm not sure. I'm sure. I ain't played in 20 years. I'm sure they get all that now. I don't know. If they had a nutritionist way back then that I ignored, I know they got nutritionists now. Because the Bengals say they ain't got one and they know what did your service just came out so if you don't got one now you didn't have one then no i promise you i wouldn't lie to you i

know i play i know i play around a lot but i remember we had a nutritionist come in and she always tried to get me to talk to i'd like listen ma'am i have i have i already have a routine that i do my system isn't broke and i'm not trying to fix it but i i i understand i mean i mean listen i love this subject here because i was first in the forefront of this the nfl competition committee continues to formulate language that will rule for a rule that will penalize the hip drop tackle the league will define the tackle as a grab, swivel, dropping the weight on the back of the ankles. It will only be called when it's clear and obvious and all three components are present

and officials are confident they see it. Support for outlawing the hip drop tackle this season following several injuries across Mark Andrews, Tyreek Hill, both suffered ankle injuries as a result of the hip drop tackle, as well as Geno Smith briefly exited the game due to the hip drop tackle. Now, I remember us having a conversation earlier in the year, Ocho.

You remember that conversation? With who? Yeah, you. With me? Bad day. What'd I say? Bad. Day, will you be able to play?

I said, Ocho, you remember how they outlawed the horse collar catch? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was bad. That was bad. That was bad. Pulling from behind. That's how T.O. got hurt when Roy Williams. Roy Williams got several people like that.

But that's what I'm saying. Right. This is the equivalent because guys are breaking that. Remember that? Now, Dak got snatched down from the front. Broke his ankle. I'm telling you. I said, look, I'm surprised they didn't do it earlier

because remember Patrick Mahomes got tackled like that. Right, right, right. He didn't get hurt. Yeah, he got hurt in Jacksonville in the playoffs last year. Oh, the ankle, the ankle roll. Yeah, in the pocket. NFL executive Jeff Miller, who lobbied for penalizing hip drop tackle in october noted that the hip drop tackle increased the risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a regular tackle

i like that i like that i'm not sure where they got the percentage from in that but listen all i'm all for protecting the players i'm all for protecting the players especially in game but now what you're gonna have to do is you're going to have to, your angle is going to have to be different. Because most of the time when somebody doing a drop tackle, remember the person is already going by you. He's already going by you and using your weight to stop his momentum and bring him down.

So now you got, you're going to have to be cautious and a little bit more weary defensively. The league has not taken, especially, especially if it's somebody fast and they're running by you. Shit, I mean, you damn, they got to let them go. A lot of times they get them coming out, like coming out of a pile, and the guy you drop, a lot of times you see linebackers and corners

jumping on the back of the guy and losing their weight. Because I got – you know what, Ocho? I got to stop you. You're pulling me, you're getting extra yards. I got to stop you where I got you. The league has not taken action against any style of tackle since 2006 when it penalized the horse collar tackle, giving the offense 15 yards and an automatic first down.

It's not clear what penalty would be of the hip drop tackle, but it would likely be significant like the horse collar. They're going to call it 15 yards, and it's going to be a first down. And you know what's going to that guy that does it just like a horse collar he gonna get fine now the first fine probably gonna be like 20 000 and the next day you know you do it again it's gonna be like 50 to 60 but it ain't no and that third time what what's my safety? Kareem Jackson. Kareem Jackson? Yeah.

Listen, the fact that, listen, Kareem Jackson belonged in our era of football. He belonged in our era of football because he played safety. He came downhill, and he came to the party the way safety did during our era. I'm not sure how he's going to be able to change his style of play because what's going to end up happening is you slow down, you change anything as fast as those players are moving, you're going to end up hurting yourself. Or missing the tackle.

You're going to end up hurting yourself. What are the other? It's definitely difficult, but the one thing I know about human and human behavior is the ability to dab. Yeah, but Unk, you got to understand how fast the ability to doubt. Yeah. Yeah. But you got to understand how fast I totally understand.

And then you got to you got to split second to react. You got to split second to react and being able to change the directive of whether it's making a hit or just I don't know. I just I just have a feeling somebody can hurt themselves. Yeah. Well, given the choice to be me or them, it's going to be them every damn time. I'm just I'm just saying. I ain't hurting myself to save somebody else. Right. Jets believe

Nicole Hardman leaked game plans to the opponents out of spite. The Jets believe Hardman leaked the game plan to the Chiefs and the Eagles before their game in October. Lord forbid that quarterback is terrible. But anyway, it's being reported that they have... Whoa, whoa, whoa. it's being reported that they have Whoa, whoa, whoa

It's being reported that the Jets Have validated beliefs That Harmon, frustrated by his lack of usage Leaked game plan to the opposition As implied by several players today Like Salt Gardner And Kenny Yable Not just the Eagles game, but also the Chiefs

Ironically, if the Chiefs did leak the game plan, then it may have not worked too much because the Jets beat the Eagles. The Jets played their two best games, guess what, against the Eagles and the Chiefs. But anyway, we will keep on joking. New York and the Eagles, the only loss over the first level games, beating them 20 to 14. So we're going gonna disregard the quarterback

that you guys have given permission to his agent to seek a trade now if that's my dog oh it wasn't him it was me cole harman leaking that game plan he's like y'all got a quarterback so whatever you might tell me if i do what y'all tell me i'm gonna be wrong because i already know he can't throw anyway he can't read defenses anyway why am i don't listen to you he can't he can't he can't it's hard to read defenses when everybody on your ass soon you snap the ball but that's neither here nor there this don't really make no sense to me because when a team opposing team has a game plan and opposing team knows what you're doing regardless it's 11 players on the field right when the ball snaps it's 1v1 outside of the tackle that most of the time has to deal with a double team coverage is coverage if you got one-on-one if you got

cover three you got man-to-man and you got to win your individual battle so even if you know what i'm doing i still got the beach regardless it you regardless. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter. I don't, I'm not going to bring up the bullshit I used to do, but it shouldn't matter. I don't care if you have my game plan. I'm still going to whoop your ass when that motherfucking ball snap. That mentality has to have, has to be in every single player in every single snap, no matter what. They watch film on you already. They know your tendencies already.

So they watch film for you already they know your tendencies already so they watch film for a week before you play all of a sudden them having the game plan is supposed to make that big of a difference when it got them footage on you the last four games before we play each other it shouldn't matter but i'm trying to figure out ocho if he was upset with his usage how can he look the game plan he ain't on the field so what he turned the game so in other words he fact he faxed or emailed a game plan to the dcs of the opposing team obviously in kansas city he would have probably more connections so is that what you're accusing him of doing right because look i get it if they get the playbook the tennessee titans ended up thieves they stole our playbooks the

last time they stole trent Dilfer's playbook. Now, if you get that quarterback playbook, that's a whole different ballgame. His playbook is a little different than ours. So if you get that, you can do a lot of things. I just look. But I tell you what, I think Nicole Harmon needs to stop talking. He went on RC Ryan Clark's podcast, The Pivot. He, Channing, and Fred Taylor do a great job with their podcast.

And he's talking about how he told Pat and Brett beats to come get him. And then two weeks later, bro, you doing too much. You caught the game winning touchdown. Maybe the jets are upset at that because you weren't catching anything in New York. It was,

it was a disaster for both sides. You were unhappy. Whatever the case may be, the Jets didn't get what they thought. You didn't get what you thought. But bro, stop talking. Listen, the man has a ring now. He has a ring now and I think it's

pretty cool, obviously, for him to be able to tell his story, be able to tell his experiences, experiences that we didn't know about, about the troubles that he had in New York. And obviously when all the stuff and again, just back to the game plan stuff, which was the basis of the topic we were talking about. It just to me, honestly, it should matter. It should matter because even if you know what I'm doing, I'm going to whoop your ass at the snap of the ball. That's just maybe my mindset. Maybe other people maybe want an advantage as far as the opponent not knowing what's coming

or what you're doing. But listen, they watch film. They study you all week long. We know your tendencies. When you line up, there's only certain things that change. Solid dress and different formation. But all the plays, it's basically what it is. You ain't doing that much different.

My only thing is when he fumbled that ball in Buffalo, why didn't y'all say this? Y'all started talking crazy when the man won the Super Bowl. Right, right. I mean, he fumbled up. Remember, you and I got all over him like McCollum. Trying to dive. Trying to dive. Trying to dive. I'm like, bro, why you trying to reach the ball back and fumble the ball? Blah, blah,

blah. So my thing is, look, just stop talking. You had, look, it didn't work out for you at the Jets. It didn't work out for them. You got an opportunity to return home where you started your career and you were very fortunate. You parlayed that into a Super Bowl. So now you have three Super Bowls and

you caught the game winning touchdown. So you got to be immortalizing Kansas City lore for perpetuity forever. Just let it go. You don't have to talk about your time. I was frustrated and they promised me this and they did that. Bro, let it go.

You won. You won. You got an opportunity to return to Kansas City. You caught the game-winning touchdown from Pat Mahomes, the best quarterback of his generation. He has a great chance to be the greatest quarterback ever. You caught the game-winning touchdown. Let it go.

You won. You know what I'm saying, though, Joe? You won. Yeah, you're right. Can we get back on topic of my dude, Zach Wilson? Here we go. Jets give Zach permission to seek a trade. The Jets have given quarterback Zach Wilson permission to seek a trade.

Unless the Jets are willing to pick up most of Zach Wilson's fully guaranteed compensation package for 2024, the Jets will be stuck with him. They'll eventually cut him or keep him and pay him more than $5.4 million in 2024. Unless the Jets are willing to give someone else draft picks to take on the full $5.4 million, no one is going to touch that salary. Really, would you pay him for one year based on what you've seen through three? That question for you.

Yeah, you got that right. For one, part of the problem is all the untapped potential that Zach Wilson has has been wasted. Let's start there. Yeah, that was a wasted draft. Let's start there yeah that was a waste of draft let's start okay go ahead again all the untapped all the untapped potential that is in zach wilson has been wasted in new york city and let me let me finish and the potential that he does have the zach wilson that i and others that are fans of his are used to seeing

when he was at BYU would be put on display when he goes somewhere else. I heard what you just said. That's why I said wasted untapped potential in New York. Which has happened to how many quarterbacks that

have come through there? Let's name that. Let's go through that. Let me ask you this. What makes you think that talent, you can get to that talent? There might be oil in my backyard, but if I can't get to it, what good is it? So he might have potential. He might have ability. But if you can't extrapolate it out of him, what good is it?

Well, how can he extrapolate it out of him? Because is it well how can he extrapolate out of him because every time he had to hide the ball he on his head so you couldn't do it either listen jesus himself god forgive me could have came down and been the quarterback for the jets this year and he would have flipped the table over like he did with the 12 disciples because there was no way he gonna get that ball. And I'm saying this in all respect as a Christian man that got baptized, but it's wearing off. I just, I just hate, I just hate that you,

you pin all your hopes and you put all your, you put all, you put everything. I love him. I love him. I love Zach Wilson to death. And wherever he goes, wherever he goes, I go. Guess what, Ocho?

Wherever he goes, I go. You've had plenty of girlfriends that you loved, but you realize they weren't any good for you or to you, and you let them go. At some point in time, you're going to have to come to that realization. Listen, but I'm also going to come to the realization, all the quarterbacks that have come through New york they always blame the quarterbacks at no point are we going to turn around and look the person in the mirror that's the real problem and maybe it's the organization yeah maybe it's

the organization because every quarterback no that's not it it ain't the quarterback all the time sometimes you got to take accountability sometimes women continue to date the same kind of man over and over and over knowing you know what he ain't no good you just made my point ocho they keep they keep selecting the same sorry type of dude the jets keep selecting the same sorry type of quarterback no no they don't know what to do with these individuals when they get them. And that's the problem. We'll get it up. That's the problem. That's the best part about it.

Because a lot of times we'll see guys go to other teams and we'll see. Right. So what happens if he goes to another, if he goes normally, they normally excel. Stop. If he goes to another team, then what are you going to say? If it looks just like he did with the jets, it's their fault. Okay.

He goes to another team and he looks like he did with the jets and, it's their fault. Okay, he goes to another team, and it looks like he did with the Jets and the team that he left, and it looks like that with the third team. Then what are you going to say? It won't. That's the problem. It won't. It won't, and I guarantee you it won't. I put anything on that, it won't.

I put anything on that, it won't. You tell me what you want me to bet, I will never do it again. This is what I know. When teams believe that you are what you say you are, what you think you are, they will pick up that contract with no problem. And you know what the problem is?

You know what the problem is? Now let's go back and look at film on the New York Jets. Let's look at film when Aaron Rodgers took snaps, three or four, I'm not sure how many it was, and was running for his life before he could even drop back so we expected zach wilson to come into play and all of a sudden be the savior for the new york jets aaron rogers he know damn well he cannot throw us have a slant or stop on one side and go all the way back come back come back the other that's what happens he is too veteran too seasoned of a quarterback to make a rookie bull jive mistake like he made.

That was not the offensive line fault. That was Aaron Rodgers' fault. Go back and watch the tape. He has the hitch. He has a hitch on one side. And he says, nope, it's not there. And he comes all the way back. You never do that.

You either stay here, jump into the back, on the curl, the check, or you throw it out of bounds. You don't work one side on a three-step and then come all the way back because the guy on the back side, he cut because they don't know which side you're going to throw the ball to. All they know is a three-step drop. So one, two, three, I'm trying to get the DM's hand down. So once I get his head i chop i'm thinking

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Former GM Mike Lombardi, who worked for the Raiders 98 through 2006, didn't like what Pierce had to say. Lombardi said, this guy's driving me crazy. Can he just shut up? Why won't somebody in the Raiders tell him to shut up? Can I ask you a question? It's so comical because he's from Compton. He thinks he knows the Raider

way. It's a joke. Take off. All right. Let's talk about the way to Raiden. When Mike Lombardi was there, right? What year was Michael and Barney there From 98 to 2006 How many Were they a winning franchise They got Chuck Rule

And then the following year they lost to Tampa In the Super Bowl And they've kind of been on a hard time since Since then So you have Two winning seasons obviously obviously, almost making it. Tuck rule. So, okay, Lombardi has a little leverage to be able to say some of the things he said.

But I like time to change. Time to change. The rate of way of old is long gone. The rate of way of old, what Antonio Pierce has been able to do and what he's going to do with those players galvanizing around him. Allow that man to work. Allow him to work. Allow him to lead or be the leaders of men that he is and do his thing. Because your way was 2000, 2019.

How long ago was it? 98. And Michael Lombardi's way wouldn't resonate with nobody in that locker room. I guarantee you that. 98-06. And Michael Lombardi's way wouldn't resonate with nobody in that locker room. I guarantee you that. I'm old enough to remember the Raiders way. And the Raiders way wouldn't work today's game because the Raiders way was party

all night, do what the hell you wanted to do, just show up to the game and knock the hell out of the quarterback. And as long as you perform when they had Matuzak and they had Ben Davis and then they had Otis Sistrunk and they had Lyle Alzado and they had all those guys, it didn't matter. And Al says,

I don't care what you do, just come knock the hell out of the quarterback on Sunday. So the Raiders way, the real Raiders way would not work in today's game because you just can't turn them loose and say, okay, do whatever the hell you want. Just show up and win the game

on Sunday. I see you talking about a head coach talking. Why ain't nobody stepping up and told Jerry Jones to be quiet then? Why Mike Lombardi ain't say nothing about that? He worried about Antonio Pierce. Why?

And all of a sudden, Antonio Pierce, who is now the head coach of the I almost say Oakland Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders. Now he has to be now he has to be quiet. Why? Yeah. Why? I mean, it's like, man. Hold on.

The Raiders booted his son, Mick, which is Lombardi, who was serving as a team offensive coordinator until the team cleared the house and the Josh McDaniels fired. Lombardi is still clearly salty, talking about how Pierce can evaluate a draft before he even participate in the first scouting combine as a head coach. So we taking shots already? It appears like to me. So we taking shots already? It appears like to me.

So we taking shots already? Okay. You know what that's about. Obviously a little salty. Obviously a little salty. Listen, rightfully so, I'd assume based on the relationship being a part of the Raiders at one point,

now not having any dealings. Times have changed. It's okay to move on. Sometimes an ex or woman will leave you. No need to gripe. No need to gripe. Just move on. Just move on.

Because when they have success in Las Vegas, and we're going to look back on some of the things Mike Lombardi said, we're going to bring them up later on. Oh, well, remember you said this? Oh, remember you said this? And then you know what we're going to look back on some of the things Mike Lombardi said, we're going to bring them up later on. Remember you said this? And then you know what I'm going to say? Mike Lombardi, stop talking. I don't have no problem. He's like, look, we have to

make Patrick Mahomes feel us. We're too nice. We got to touch it. Every chance we get, push him down. We're not trying to injure nobody, but we want them to feel our presence. Make him uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with that.

There is nothing wrong with what he said at all. I mean, it's just funny. I mean, look, everybody has a way of doing things, you know, but this works. This, we'll see how it works in a full season, but clearly his team responded over the last several weeks to AP's coaching style, Antonio Pierce's coaching style. And it worked for them.

Let's see if he can come in with a full camp, a full offseason, get getting some players in the draft. And let's see if this thing. I'm rooting for him. I hope he does well. I don't know if I played against him. I think I might have been gone by the time he was there, by the time when he got there.

Like you said, here we go. I really been retired for 20 years. I think AP came a little after I left. I don't think he didn't play on that Giants team that we played in the Super Bowl. They had Michael Barrow. Did they have Barrow in Armstead?

Michael Barrow from the Hurricanes? I think they might have had Barrow in Armstead. But I don't think AP was one of the linebackers. I think AP might have been on that 0-ead, but I don't think AP was one of the linebackers. I think AP might have been on that 07 team, the team that beat the Patriots. I think he might have been on those teams,

but I don't think he was there in 2000. But I know Armstead was one of the linebackers. I don't know. Michael Barron might have been one of the others, but I just remember that front line they had. They had with Strahan and Ham. Who else was on the other side? Damn, that's been so long. I don't remember nobody but Strahan and Seahorn, Seahorse.

Yeah, Jason Seahorn. It's been so long, man, since I remember those guys. Hold on. Let me open this for real. Oh, yeah. Okay. He was on the uh washington team nah he came into 01 we played washington i was on the team that we lost to uh washington at baltimore in 2000 so no i missed it he played a decade he played a decade in the league from 01 to 04 ocho he played uh 01cho, he played 01 to 04. He played with Washington football team. And from 05 to 09, he played with the Giants.

So he missed that second. He missed that second Super Bowl. So he got the first one, missed the second one, that the Giants beat New England in 2010 in Indy. So he played a decade, Ocho. So congratulations to AP. At the end of the day, you got to find a way to motivate your team and whatever resonates and motivates

your team and galvanize your team and gets them to play at their best level. That's what you do. You don't worry about well, this is the way he coaches his team. That's the way he coaches his team. I got to worry about how I coach my team because I don't have those guys. I've got these guys and these guys react to what I say, not what that coach says.

And in no disrespect to Mr. Lombardi, his coaching way or coaching style or the way he just does everything in general, it wouldn't resonate in today's game. In today's players, It just wouldn't. It just wouldn't, which is why most of the owners realize that. If you look around the league at some of the coaches, you notice that everyone is much younger and not as old.

You got to be able to talk to these kids. It's a different time, Ocho. For mean, it's a different time, Ocho. For me, although the money is fabulous, it's fantastic, with my mindset and the way I approach the game, it

would be tough in today's game for me because the players, it's about clicks, it's about likes, it's about this and it's about that. And the only thing I gave a damn about was winning.'s about this and it's about that and the only thing i gave a damn about was winning and i needed to be around guys that wanted to win and so look i mean i think they still want to i think i think they still want to and just you know being able to have a little balance and being able to adapt obviously into the social

media era and i think one of the things that people are trying to brand themselves you know when all you have to do if you take care of yourself and take care of your business in between the lines and the hashes and playing ball and the brand will take care of itself off people trying to brand themselves man i'm building a brand what about what type of okay oh joe you talk about you build a brand. What brand of football are you playing? Yeah, that's what matters at the end of the day. What brand of football? You playing, you winning.

You winning because the quickest way to build a brand, start winning. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Obviously, start winning as a team, but individual success

will get you all you want. You got to be good, really good at what you do, and you'll be fine. Everything else will take care of itself. I mean, you didn't hear about Brady. Brady didn't say nothing. You didn't hear Brady mention nothing about no TB12 until he got about four or five Super Bowls on his belt.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And you didn't hear nothing about no Omaha until Peyton Manning had done one and won Super Bowls and did all that stuff. Now, Pat, I don't know what... Ray! Ray! Man, Real, you put your lips on him, he gonna crawl up and die

somewhere, Real. Oh, don't do that. Yeah, I just met her two weeks ago. Yeah, I just... You know what you do, Ocho? You see Real walking by. Whoa!

Whoa! Hold on. Come back here, Realcho? You see rail walking by. You hit. Whoa, whoa. Hold on. Come back in there, rail. Hey, I know that thing. That was a 2019. So I know what you paid for that one because I got one too. Nah.

Shit, I ain't paying for that, boy. You know I be scamming. Nah, you ain't scamming. Uh-uh. They came out. They got a new color. They got that gold and they got that black.

Nah, I think that's the extra large. I'm telling you, that bag was released in 2019. You're down right, I know. Yeah, yeah. You know, during the holidays, I had a little part-time job at Chanel over in Midtown in the design district. That bag going for somewhere between 15 and 20 grand right now. And you got an aftermarket. Who do you think?

You. Who? Not me. Well, you know. I know what she said. She said, look what he got me. Let me ask you. Let's go back to a few shows ago.

And I told you I was the leader of the yahoo boys you already know how we you probably don't know who that is but i'm hush puppy jr so i'm gonna leave it at that we can go all i say it is i know what that bag calls just long as long as you know that i know and you know that i know that you know that I know. Yeah. And I told you I'm also a scammer. You can't scam that one. And then it, hey, I'm going to pull mine out. I'm going to show you mine. I got one.

Oh, you got one too? You got one too? I had to take it back. I had to take it back. I had to take it back. I had to take it back. I had to take it back on show. I had to take it back. I had to take it back. Uh-uh.

Uh-uh. You took it back? Yeah, I mean, you know. What she did wrong? You know what? I was thinking about getting it to my daughter, but that might be too much for her. Yeah, that's too much.

Too much. Too much. Especially for that age. I mean, even though she is grown, but that kind of bag, that's a stepper. Too much Especially for that age I mean even though She is grown But that kind of bag That's a stepper You gotta be You gotta be a stepper

Somebody's gonna Smash my daughter Arm off I gotta give her Something she'll let it go Cause my daughter Gonna fight Till I held on

My daddy gave me This bag Hey listen Listen that's a good story though You know I mean Obviously if you're paying 15, 20 thousand for a bag And things don't work out

Like there's some things I'm going to need back from you mama there's something because what you're not going to do is be on your next date with the bag i bought for you that no no no no mama we not doing that we not doing that we know i know women don't even like indian givers but if everybody sent it everybody anything if i buy anything over ten thousand dollars i do take it back on joe you took yours back why i can't take mine i was gonna give it I'm going to buy you anything over $10,000. You going to take it back, Ocho? You took yours back. Why can't you take mine? I was going to give it.

Oh, but you, oh, you, oh, you, me, she missed out on that? And you still got it. Oh, so, hey, I'm going to find you somebody special you can give it to. You going to find me somebody on eBay that's willing to buy it? That's what you're going to find. Nah. Hey, the fact that you still got that bag and things didn't work out

and you just held on to it is good. That's good. Listen, and you know what the funny, the good thing about it is? Those bags appreciate no matter what.

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