Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Nightcap Hour 1: Big 3 WARN Wemby NOT To be SCARED of MSG + Stephon Castle SPEAKS on ACCOUNTABILITY + Pair of FINALS TIX SOLD for $36K + Jalen Brunson & Company’s REACTION to Mavs’ EXTENSION Offer

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson tell Wemby to get his mind right heading into MSG, Stephon Castle takes heat for accountability comments, a pair of Finals tickets sell for $36k and Jalen Brunson’s reaction to the Mavericks extension offer Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 2:40 - Will Spurs overcome 0-2 NBA Finals deficit?23:42 - Stephon Castle thoughts on Series so far51:00 - Looking back at Jalen Brunson's Mavs contract offer  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The last team to beat those odds were the 2021 Milwaukee Bucks. No team in final history has ever overcome an O2 series deference after losing the first two games at home, though. Victor Wimbignama believes they can be the first. I think the key is acceptance a lot of times, taking a step back, realizing all the journey that's been behind this, and what's ahead of this, just being okay with who I am, where I am, and what I'm doing. This is everything I wished for. There's really no reason to overthink it. This is what I'm built for.

Joe, they're down 02, but Wemba is putting a very, very positive spin on it. How do they get back? How do they win game three and then move on there? Grid and toughness, fellas. That's it. Chat, that's the only way. I think it's possible. But if it is possible, San Antonio really has to believe it.

And I think they had a team to go to New York and get game three. They definitely got the squad, bro. They just got to put together a good full 48 minute basketball game. Obviously, it's on the road. So it's going to be a lot tougher. We know what the atmosphere is going to be like. It's going to be nuts and it's going to be coconut's in there. You hear me?

Yeah, it's going to be coconut in there. And we already know that. So I know the Spurs is a young team, Uncle Ocho, but I think they're capable, bro. I really do. Yeah. Yeah, we mentioned the 2021 bucks. they lost the first two on the road to Phoenix

and then Phoenix won four straight. I remember Portland. Portland did the same thing. Portland was down 02 to the 76ers. Again, that was on the road. And then Portland with Bill Walton, they won four straight. I don't remember the other teams up the top of my head that went down O2 and ended up winning the series.

It's a daunting task, especially after losing at home. Obviously, some of your confidence has to be shaken. It's just natural for some of your confidence to be shaken. and I appreciate when we're putting a very positive spin on it, but at the end of the day, they're going to have to play a lot better than what they play. And as we've talked about earlier, they've gotten out the double-digit leads every time.

And the Nix have walked them down every single time. And when they get to clutch situations, it seems like the Nix makes fewer mistakes, execute at a high level, and therefore they've won the first two games on the road. Now they come home to Mattis-M-SG to see if they can close out this series. Ocho, what is San Antonio? have to do in order to win game three and potentially not win game three.

Now you have some confidence that you can win game four and go back to San Antonio Antonio tied to two to. But the most important thing is that you got to win game three. Well, honestly, I don't want the spurs the win, but what they will need to do is minimize mistakes. They have to eliminate some of the errors. They got to protect the ball. Every possession matters for them, not only early in the game, but especially towards

the end of the game. Fox has to do a better job with protecting. the ball. Castle, when he has the ball. He has to do a better job of protecting the ball as well. Castle. Learning to play with aggression, but under control, not getting in foul trouble early. Wimby, get from back there, get from back there, go down there in that post, go down there in that block, you know, and bang with the boys, bang with cat, and do what you need to do and get some easy buckets. Stop relying on your midi and stop relying on the three as well. Again, it's going to be a tall task. Obviously, you're down O2.

Your confidence is shaking a little bit and having to play in that garden. That garden is special. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Where have you? Damn the confidence being shaking. You and Ongt talking about everybody's confidence being shaking. Hey, hey, hey, I've been with the monks. I've been with the monks. Damn it, it, it's time for it to

come out. If I got anything, I learn from the monks. Yes, I'm trying for it to come out right now, game third. You know what I mean? If I'm win. Okay. They play great basketball the first two games. They just had this low to where And once they gain their lead, they start playing pickup basketball, bro. You know, you got to start to milk the possessions and value every possession, even when you're up 12 or 13 points.

I think that's been the only disappointment for the Spurs. They get these big leads and then they have a tendency to relax. I'm not taking none the way from New York. They play great basketball this whole postseason, a veteran club who's been there, more experience. And they just play with more grit and toughness than the Spurs right now. They wanted, you know, it seems like the Knicks wanted a lot bad, better than, you know, what the Spurs do, honestly. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, honestly, you know, being the Knicks are up to,

2-0, the next two games, if not mistaken, now, at Madison Square Garden, correct? Correct. I just don't see, I just don't see Mike Brown allowed them boys to falter and fall by the wayside and letting this thing get back to San Antonio. I just don't see it. Man, I just don't. Listen, I know the games were close.

Obviously, the Knicks only one by one because of the mistakes towards the end of the game by Wemby. But I just don't see it happening. Man, listen, listen. Mike Brown can only do so much. Does he have a great game playing? Yes. Is he coaching his ass off in this series? Yes.

But at the end of the day, when we get in between them lines and this, y'all got child five, we got our five. Man, who has more focused grinned? toughness to go out there and try to and get a win. Because look, we already know what y'all running. Y'all know what the hell we're running. You know what I mean? Let's not, I mean, it's nothing. Y'all ain't going to do nothing that's going to fool us.

We ain't going to do nothing that's going to fool y'all. It's about who wanted the most, bro. So I think the Spurs, they got to throw the whole kitchen sink game three, bro. This desperation, you don't want to get swept in the finals, bro. No. This is, basically, they got it. In other words, Joe, it seems to me, you're saying they got to cheat, treat game three. the game seven.

Like it's when to go home. It's when to take all in this thing. Because I agree with you, they're not being as young as they are. I don't see a scenario where they can win four straight ball games. They're having a difficult time winning one ball game, let alone four straight if you fall down 03. So I agree with you.

I think you throw everything. Guys are going to have to play extremely well. They're going to have to do a better job of taking care of the basketball. Wimby is going to have to be Wemby a lot earlier and not late. It seems like to me he tries to get, rolling a little, and he did. He played a phenomenal second half. He had 22 points in the second half.

But, and again, the turnover. As you mentioned, Ocho, all turnovers aren't created equal. So a turnover in the first quarter is not the same as a turnover in the fourth quarter. A turnover in the fourth quarter in the final two minutes, the final three minutes of the ball game. You must value the basketball. The most important thing in a sport

is the ball. The basketball, the football, the baseball, the baseball, the baseball. The baseball. The tennis ball. You cannot commit those errors and expect to win, especially if you're in golf and you flailing the ball and you're hooking and you're slicing the ball and you got, you're in the whole 16, 17, 18. I know you don't really hope to win.

You come in and errors late in the ball game. I know you don't hope to win. You turn the football over late in the fourth quarter. I know you don't expect to win. And that seems to be what's getting the spurs in trouble. Because look, they're talented ball club. They're young, but they're extremely talented. But when you turn the ball over, now you pay double for those.

And now you don't even get an opportunity to, with the ball up, you could have gotten foul. We'll never know. You could have made a three. You could have made a layup. We'll never know. Because you turned the ball over and now they're going back the other way with it. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how they come out.

You know, that crowd's going to be electric? Maybe I don't know the last time. Look, I understand, you know, they closed out. I think they closed out. Who are they playing in Cleveland? They closed out Cleveland. and I get it, but it's been a long time since the atmosphere

and the garden is going to be like what it's going to be like tomorrow night. Oh, my God. How do you handle that emotion? How do you calm your nerves down? Joe, you mentioned the monks. Boy, I show that deep breathing and that meditation. Hey, and you standing on one leg

with the other leg out there and you holding it for a period of time. Hey, I show you're going to need all that. The question is, is anybody else going to have, those breathing techniques down to a science. I'll tell you one thing. While you busy breathing, Brunton and boy are going to be up and down, running up and down at court.

I understand Wembe and what he did to prepare in the offseason, but there's nothing he can do with the monks. There's nothing he can do with Kevin Garnett. There's nothing to do with anybody else he trained with that can prepare him for this moment for game three and MNG. Because there's

nothing like that. You can't replicate what it's going to be like. I don't care what you did in the off season. Nah, nah. The experience is going to be the best teacher. That's why I think, you know, these first two games, even though they were at home and they swaned to them first two games, man, it's a learning experience for them.

Just calming down toward the end of the game, being more patient, sticking with what works, you know, putting that ball in Fox hands and you need Fox to be aggressive getting to that cup, living in that paint, making plays for Wembe. Not just throwing it back to Wemby, let him ISO. You can do that from time to time. But damn, if you give me a heavy dose of that, bro, they're setting up. They're waiting for that.

You know, they want them, they want them to be a ball stopper to where he hold, jab, take all this time. They body banging. Hell, them tough shots, bro. Yeah. Quick, fast movements. You know, he got to find other ways to beat them dudes. And I think also, Joe, you mentioned.

Maybe they're too young to not know what they're not, they don't know. Maybe they don't know they're not supposed to be in awe this moment. Maybe they don't know what it's supposed to, you know, like, man, we're at MSG, we're in a game three, we're on the road. I mean, the 25 year, the average age is 25. Maybe they don't know. And that's the scary part, because I think that's why I say, I feel like they're capable of going in there and winning game three because they're such a young team.

Obviously, we can kind of, you know, know and understand what it's going to be like in there. But for them, it may not even bother them, bro. You know what I mean? They could come out and play the best game they played all series in game three and end up winning. I think they have that much talent on their team. I think they will coach. I think he'll make adjustments. But for the most part, with a double-digit lead in the first two games, bro, it's just calming down.

You know what I mean? Really embracing the moment and getting great shots, not doing, not having them silly files. Even though Wimby turned it over at the end of the damn game, man, don't file. Don't file. Just try to play great difference. Yeah, thank you. turned the ball over. We can't cry about that.

We got to try to get a damn stop now. You know what I mean? Yeah. Don't exacerbate. Don't make a situation worse. Yeah. And that's what it was. Bro, they could have got to stop at the end of the game.

At least, you know, worst case. But that foul, sent brusse into the line, make one, miss one. Now you got to come down here and, you know, got to get you. Yeah. And plus the thing, Joe, Champini. How did that man want to take one? shot the whole second half, Joe. I need somebody after the explanation,

considering he had eight points in the first half. Because he was on fire to start that, he was on fire to start the game. Hold on. Okay, so listen, if y'all guarding a guy and he started the game, his ass catch hot, what you're going to do? You're going to stick to his ass.

You ain't going to, hey, look, I ain't leaving my man no more. He ain't getting no more shots. That's how it is in basketball, bro. You know, okay, look, we know Champini and Vassel. Those are great shooters. Listen, we're going to have to stay attached. the rest of them do is going to have to play three on three. We're going to have to figure this out over here,

but we can't give up these wide open threes and these dudes get going. They get this crowd into it. We ain't got a chance. So they're living with a heavy dose of Wimby and Fox or whoever at that point guard. That's what they're living with. Right.

And, you know, Vesel and Champaignie, a very good catching shoes. And so if you look in a double, you're probably not going to double off those guys, especially after they catch fire. after they're scoring the basketball like we are, Joe. So you're right there. But I've got there, there's got to be a way that I can create something

that I can get him at least more than one shot in the second half. Gotta be. It got to be. I know I can draw up something. Hell, pick. Hey, go set a pig for it. I ain't saying you got to run multiple pigs like he's Steph Curry, but damn, you can do something for you.

Hey, what do you think about Harper playing a little bit more? I think. as aggressive as aggressive as he's been as efficient as he's been when he is aggressive you see him playing a little bit more more minutes or no yeah i think you got to play him man he's he's playing beyond his years he's not playing like a rookie my thing is whoever's not playing great out of fox champ penny and vassia yeah his ass got to be in there in one of them spots uncle ocho coming down the stretch he got to be in the game if you ask me he's too valuable not only is he a great catching shoot guy, but he's probably

after Fox, your best guy off the dribble, who can create big body when he get in the lane, you know, create different, and create different opportunities for himself and for guys around him. I think he sees the floor well. You know, you just got to hope he don't make some of those

little bonehead mistakes down the stretch. I agree, Joe, and I think the thing is, if you go look at it, look at when he gets the ball in Brunson, he goes right to the paint. because they're not going to put they're never going to put Brunson on Fox. So Fox don't worry about that.

He's going to get OG. He's going to get Bridges. He's going to get one of those guys. Maybe Josh Hart. But the one thing, and so now do I want Champagne, do I want Brunson on Champagne, do I want him on Vassel

or do I want him on Harper? So that's the guy. The thing is what I think they're doing a great job of Joe is that they're making it work on the end. They're like, look, we're not going to let you save all this energy just to burn on

the offensive being, we're going to make you expend some of this energy on the defensive area. And it makes sense because that's why Brunson is shooting about 41, 42% from the field in this series. They are making it tough for them. Now, we know Brunton, hey, listen, I ain't taking nothing away from the Knicks. Hell, you win 12, 13 games in a row in the postseason. You're a bad team, bro.

You know, I'm giving them their credit. They've won in so many different facets of the game. It ain't really just been one person. I think Brunson has probably been the catalyst, but Kat has played great. OG has played great Bridges has played great their bench has played great they've been a great team in this postseason

take nothing away from him but you got to go at Brunson bro you got to make him work you can't let his ass off the hook you got to keep your foot on the gas now you know being in MSG game three we know he capable of going off

you got to keep that boy on the rap boy hey keep him on the rap you got to control him early Joe Hold on, hold on, hold on, Uncle Joe. We've said this every series. Matter of fact, we've been saying this all season long, not just in the regular season. You got to contain Brunson.

In the postseason, you got to contain Brunson. But for some reason, every time it matters most, who shows up and make the shots that need to be made? Brunson. There is no answer for him. You can only hope to contain him, excuse me. But when it's mattered most, he shows up every single. single time. So I don't think

that's the answer, even if you do stop him early. Well, look, if you go back and look, Ocho, he made that big shot and he made a free throw. And look, and he took 31 shots to get 30 points. It was that, it was that, there was a period in the fourth quarter that they let him get away. You know, and I think you got him under control, you're controlling him for the better part of the game,

but it's just the fourth quarter. We know he has the ability to catch fire in any quarter. The last thing I wanted to do is catch fire with a clutch. Because now, I mean, he compromises us. The shot that he hit on Champaign-I-Oh, Joe, I just got to throw my hands on. I can't play it any better. I can't play it any better. He made a hell of a play.

And that's the shot that he's hit back-to-back games from that spot, the same type of shot. It's a very difficult shot to make, but he made it look easy. I wonder how many times he's practiced that shot in the gym. all by himself in order to feel that comfortable on that stage in that moment to take and make that shit. Hey, look, the damn analytics. Always talking, oh, we want a three or a layup or a damn dunk. The last couple games, the first two games,

it came down to a mid-range to decide the game. Hey, this is where the best, this is where the best players, the best score. This is where they live. This is where they make their money. in the mid-range area, Arcan Ocho. When it's time to go to your money or get to your spots, you should always be able to get to the middies. So I look forward to Fox playing better,

being more aggressive, considering the fact that I'm telling you, the desperation that they got to go into New York with tomorrow night. Oh, my God. Hey. Boy, y'all, hey, you can't let them boys breathe. And you can't let them make no run,

and you damn sure don't want their crowd to get into it. Nope. Nope. And that's the thing. You look. And once they get going, because Cleveland did a great job in game one, they kept the crowd at bay until the last six minutes of the ball game.

And once that avalanche started, they could stop it. And do I think the spurs are a better team than the calves? I do. But when a team goes on the run, It almost feels, I hate saying this, but it just feels like the F and Nix are a team of destiny. Like, is daytime?

It does, Joe. It just does. I know. It just does. And we've seen situations like this. We've seen teams, you're like, go on a magic carpet ride. And I think sometimes when we say a team of destiny, that means they're not very good and they're getting all the breaks.

And no, don't get me wrong. The Nixar are a very good team. They got a, they're led by. a small guy that's very, very good. And they got the role players. And I hate calling Cat a role player because Cat is number one, but I'm just saying, you look at the bridges and you look at the OGs

and you look at the Hart and you look at the Landry Shammon, and you look at the Mitchell Robinson. And Alvarado, when he comes off the bench, you look at those guys. And when they come in, they know exactly what their job are, their job is. They do exactly what their coach to do and the hustle play. Think about the other night, Joe.

How many opportunities? How many second chance, Ocho, rebounds they got. They got one. They got it. Got another rebound. Got it. Avarado beat the guy

to the corner to get the rebound. And guess what? The ball somehow ends up half finding sham it and he knocks down. I agree. They win in New York is winning all the 50-50 balls. Not only that,

they win the damn hustle points. They are working San Antonio, bro, period point blank. Even though San Antonio has built a double-digit league in these first two games, for whatever reason, that second half,

their ass been getting out work. Hey, and Joe, is there a clutch of award or there's no such thing? No, it's... She won it this year. Brunson won it last. She won it this year.

Brunson won it last. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you got to, hey, Ocho, you got to be one of them boys, you hear me? Yeah, hey. Listen, the way Brunson is playing, they need to add another clutch award for the postseason. Yeah, he, hey, hey, he's been cool, calm, and collective under pressure. I give him that, bro. I'm talking about it seemed like when it's clutch moments, his ass is going to come through,

period, point, blet. I'm talking about every time, every time. He's been great. Yeah, well, the Spurs are going to have to do. Most of the time, the games have been close. And when it comes to the fourth quarter, and you know it comes to the nut cutting time, if they're trying to get the ball to Brunson,

the Spurs better trap right away and get the ball out of his hands and make somebody else beat you. Somebody else will have to beat you. Yeah. Yeah. They did a good job in mixing it up. I thought in these first two games,

I thought they trapped them a couple times. I thought they, you know, came off, you know, and just play like a little catch to where you kind of corral him a little bit. I think they mixed it up. It's probably why, you know, that's another reason probably why he's only shooting like 41, 42%. They didn't gave him a real steady die. You know what I mean? They're the same looks.

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He running up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, Stefan Castle is getting a little heat for comments he made today saying they lack accountability. Here's all three of his answers to provide context. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Like I said earlier, we feel like we gave them that game, you know, on self-inflicted mistakes,

you know, not just talking about, you know, the last play of the game or last couple of plays of the game. You know, I feel like throughout the game we gave them, we gave them life in areas where, you know, we kind of, we could have took a lead and extended it. So, I mean, yeah, just we've always had the next play, you know, next game mentality. And we weren't able to close that one out. But like I said earlier, it's first to four. So I think I think we're confident we can go get the next one first. I think it's just human nature to come out with a certain sense of urgency, you know,

especially after a loss. You know, I probably shouldn't go that way, you know, realistically. You know, you should come out with that same urgency, whether you want to lose. But I mean, yeah, now being down 2O, our system. since the urgency is probably the highest has been all playoffs, especially it being the finals. So, yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm ready to see how we'll come out in this game. At this point of this season, it doesn't really matter whether you're playing at home or away. You know, teams are playing their best brand of basketball.

So trying to figure out how to win basketball games is, you know, the most important thing. But, I mean, yeah, go down 02 at home, something that, you know, we definitely didn't want to do. but, I mean, going back and watching it, those were very winnable games, and I think the next two are very winnable games, too. Woo! Joe, you have a problem with anything he said? Not really.

Not really. I mean, he said he felt like they can go in here and win games, these next two games. At the end of the day, bro, you've got to really believe it. You know what I mean? And like I've said before, I think this young Spurs team is capable. I'm not saying it's going to be easy,

but I think it's capable. I think they're capable of one in there and winning game three. It's easy to say, hard to do. I like the point, you know, and like you said, I mean, everybody looks at the last play to win me turnover. But like he said, and we talk about it all the time, Joe, their opportunities there that you've got a double-digit lead. You can end the lead, but you turn it over and let them get,

now all of a sudden, instead of making a 12, 14, 16 point lead, you turned the ball over three consecutive times and what could have been a 16 point lead, all of a sudden it's down to eight. And I love the fact that he mentioned that because he said, look, we talk about the last play in A, and that's not just to point that out, but there are times in the game that we had opportunity

to expand on the lead that we turned them all over and they cut into the league. Yeah, I agree. And go ahead, Ojo. I'm going to say, even with expanding, even with expanding into that lead early on the game, whether it's the first, first, second, second quarter or third, at some point with the way the Knicks have been playing the entire time,

they're going to run and track you down anyway. They're going to run it down anyway. I mean, because they just have in general. Well, yeah, they've been in the postseason. Even with the leads being extended for some reason, you know the game of basketball. It's all about momentum. And that momentum shifts from time and down

because basketball is the game of runs. Yeah, yeah. Even if you do extend that lead, that's no all-out clue. Okay, we're going to win the game. You're right. End of the game. As long as the game is close, that's where it matters. How do we minimize our mistakes?

How do we minimize our errors? Play the whole shot clock out. Not shooting the ball with 18 seconds to go on the shot clock. Hey, that's been my thing for the Spurs. It's been times. This is why in the playoffs in the postseason, bro, you got a value every possession. And they've built these leads,

and then they go on and playing regular season basketball, meaning it, come down one pass shot. Come down, ISO, boom, boom, shot. No, bro, keep doing what you've been doing to get you to lead. Milking, milking, whatever it is that y'all got going that's working, keep milking it, keep playing great defense because they're a great defensive team.

You talk about having Wimby behind you, but them damn guards, they pretty much keep guys in front. Yeah, they do a great job. Yeah, that's why. That's why Brunton is shooting. Absolutely. And it's just, if you just so happen to get by him, hell, you got to run into a 75 guy back there.

You know what I mean? So it ain't like it's Olae. It's easy. You know what I mean? Like this, it's been a tough series, bro. And I think they've learned from these first two games. And experience is the best teacher. We always talk about that.

Unfortunately, they've had, you know, fourth quarters to where they've kind of collapsed. I think they've learned from that. And I think they'll be a lot better. Yeah. Plus the thing is I think the difference is is that no team has really had a cat. Cat is literally a threat out there. So Wembe can't just like help.

Wimby can't be there in one step like he could against Portland, like he could against OKC. In Minnesota. He was guarding Hartinstein. Yeah, he was guarding Rudy. So those guys pose no threat beyond the paint or putback or drop.

So he could, he could help if they weren't in the paint and they were trying to pull him from the paint, but Rudy Gobert is not a viable option out past eight feet. So Wembe is not going to follow him out there. The difference is cat is a viable option up to 28 feet. So now if they do happen to get by their guys, there's no line of defense back there to deter them from getting all the way to the ring. Hey, I don't think about this.

I don't know what the percentage is, Uncle Joe. Think about every time goddamn cat get that thing out 28 feet. feet and he put the ball in the flow. He's going right by Whitty ass. Excuse me, I'm sorry for cursing. He's going right by Wimby every single time. You're going by Wimby and what you go and Cornette. Single time.

So that's putting Wemby in the pickle. Not only is he going by me 28 feet out when he gave him the post and he decided to back him down and use a little post game and be a little bit more aggressive and physical. He's winning that too. Yeah. You got it. You losing in both in both elements of cash game. Absolutely. That's why you got to give Mike Brown credit, Uncle Ocho.

He took Kat. Instead of just keeping him on the block, he put him out there at the three-point line, the top of the key, and he's able to sit there like a quarterback and make plays while these other guys around them backpicking and they're getting layups and he's making indecisions to where guys coming off with dribble handoffs. You know what I mean? Now Wimby got a guard that. He got to honor that. So if he's guarding Kat, it keeps him away from the basket.

And now we can get easy layups, easy floaters. You know, it ain't that damn hard to score. And I think Cat has been doing a great job at that because he has a high IQ for the game and he can pass. It makes he, look, it makes a huge difference when you got a big who can facilitate, who knows how to pass, and can see things before they kind of actually happen.

And Cat has been doing a great job at that, bro. That's why the game has been so easy, you know, for the most part, for the Knicks. Yeah, and that's the thing. And give Kat credit for playing as well as he has. And we always knew Kat had this, and that's why so many people get on him. Like, Kat, drive the ball, just don't settle.

I don't think there's been a game where it's only been two, but he hasn't settled. Katz, like, I can go by you guys. And if you come out here cautious with your hand down, I don't let it go. Hello. And that's been the difference in the ball game. You know, he's averaging 20 points and 12 rebounds a game.

And along with four assists, he's made a couple of hell of assists for corner three to hit Bridges and hit other guys that the ball found the basket. But I think Cat has been, Cat has been exceptional. In this series, no, he's played well all postseason, but I'm talking about this series. When you really need your big to step up because you got to, first of all, you've got to match Wemby and you've got to be able to draw them away from the basket. I've got to be able to lure the guard dog away from the front of the house

in order to get in. And so if I want to get to the paint, Joe and Joe, to lay that ball in, I got to get him out of there. Because there ain't no chance. You know it's funny too, Uncle Joe. What was that? And him being, he's actually a three-level score too.

The funny thing about it, we'll be always complain about him in the regular season and always wanted to be out in space and shooting those threes. Yeah. He's using every aspect of his game right now and what we know he can do and he's finally doing it when it matters most. But the funny thing about it is, is Wimby can't do nothing with him.

Despite his height, despite his presence and being in the tall as he is, he ain't got enough bricks in his back pocket. He's not strong enough. Why Cat is able to go in the post or take him off the dribble. So even if you take him off the dribble, once Cat get even with him or buy him, he's good. He ain't got nothing to worry about. Nah, right. And you see the thing is like when when Winby goes out to guard him

in a defensive stand, they always say get you a base, where he knows if he's going out to guard Winby at the three, he can't get no base because with a base, my hands are here, can't shoot the ball here. So he has to go out there like this. Now he doesn't have a base. Now Wembe can get on the edge of him. Every time, Corneck, they have to honor him.

They didn't have to honor. I'm not honoring Hartinstein. Hardinstein, you're full of crap. You ain't going to do nothing out there. But all you're free to do is get this ball, do a handoff, try to backpick somebody, it rolled to the basket. That's not what Cat can do those things, and we've seen him do those things.

But Cat is looking, if you come out here cautiously, I'm going to shoot the three. If you come out here aggressively, I'm going to put it on the floor, and I'm getting all the way to the ring. And you notice, when Cat is playing Wemby, he's always facing him up for the most part, fellas. He's rarely playing with his back to the basket against Wimby, you know, to keep his options open. And if you notice, he put it on the floor a couple of times, he might get that little left or right crossover. You know what I mean? He got a little handle to him, and he's using his quickness to get around Wimby. You feel what I'm saying?

Yep. I know you got to under this jump shot I got out here. So, boom, soon as you go for it, I'm going right around you. You know what I mean? I think that's been great as that. Not every time has he scored, but every time he's made the right play where there was a kick out the bridge or was it was a kick out to O.G. And you get all these wide open shots to where now you got the defense in the hucklebook

and it's kind of breaking it down a little bit. You know what I mean? he's using Wimby's aggressiveness, meaning on offense when Wimby's guarding him being too aggressive, he's going to right around him every damn time. Well, look, I just, whether I score or not,

I just want to put something on your mind. Yeah. And, you know, when you tried to get the girl back, hey, baby, let me put something on your mind right quick. You know, I just want to put something on your mind. Hey, I don't know if you got somebody, maybe you do or maybe you don't. But I just want you to know your boy here.

Right, right. Hey, we go get a little nice little dinner, you know, get a little stuff. I just try to get to know you. I just want to put that a movie, whatever you want to do. I just want to put that on your mind. Katta said, I just want to put this on your mind with me. There's three, this blow by. I just want to put that on your mind.

I'm going to let you decide which one you want me to do, but I just want you to know, that's what I'm saying. And Kat has played phenomenal. Cat has taken a lot of criticism. You know, he's this and he's that. And, you know, having talked to the cat, look, he loves his dad. And I don't want people to take this the wrong way.

But he was so close to his mom. And when he lost his mom and he said, he's like, shout, I watched to take a last breath. Ooh. Joe, you could, that's something you could speak to. You know, and when you're so close, I mean, yeah, I know, I know. I know my granny, Joe, you know your mom. I'm sure Cat knows his mom would have wanted him to go on.

but it ain't that simple. It ain't that simple. So it took him a while. And I think that, you know, everybody, look, everybody don't have the same mentality. Everybody doesn't grieve the same way. Some people, some people grieving might last a lifetime. Some people, they can get over in a day and they're back to be themselves.

Right. But you have to allow people the space to grieve how they grieve and to get over in a manner. And I think sometimes, as a professional athlete and we've done a great and most of us do a great job of this is what we call Ocho and Joe

Carp Park minimalizing. I've got this going on and it's huge but I also got this game going on. Now I'm going to sit this to aside for two and a half, three hours. I'm going to go focus on this for two and a half three hours

and when those two and a half three hours are over I'm going to go back and pick this up and deal with that over here. There you go. Some people are better at that than others. Doesn't make you bad. It doesn't make you weak. A lot of people,

oh, you weak. It's easy to say when you've never been in a situation. It's easy to say what you would do, what you wouldn't do, how you would handle it. But sometimes when a, you know, everybody doesn't process death the same way. And it's quick because I think maybe in sports is that it's so easy to say

if somebody doesn't, if somebody doesn't perform as we think they should, is to say they're weak. Because that's the easiest cop, out. Oh, man, you weak. Man, hey. Each is on. Everybody has a situation. And that's where the game becomes

your safe haven, your escape. You know what I mean? Because like you say, within them two to three hours, bro, you don't even think about that for real. You know what I mean? You can really lock you and have fun whatever it is you're doing. But once it's over with, it's right back on you.

You know what I mean? So I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, he's right. He's right, huh? I mean, you got to think about all the problems we have. I don't know how you guys operate, but I'm thinking of some of the issues I had off the field and practice being in that stadium, being with the fellas,

game time, Sunday, in between those lines, you know. That's my piece of mind. Yeah. I'm safe haven. And I understand one. Once that's over, once I leave that stadium, it's back to reality. Whatever's going on in my life, everything sets back in. But I understood, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I got a sense of peace.

Yeah. Sunday, I got a sense of peace for three hours. And back to reality after that. Now, speaking on death, once they, you know, have death in the family, especially a parent, you know ain't nothing on. Come on now, Joe, you know. But you know how people are, Ocho. I think the thing is for me, I often thought like if something would have happened to my grandmother when I was playing.

I'm a different player. And I like to think I'm one of the strong guys mentally when it comes. I can compartmentalize because I've dealt with a lot of things in my NFL career. But I was able to sit that aside. But for the woman that gave you everything but like that took you in, your brother and sister in and loved you more than she loved her own and did everything she possibly could. I know my grandmother cried many of nights. I know my grandmother prayed nice that I didn't know God was listening to her prayers

because I damn sure didn't think he was listening to mine. That was my end all, be all. Everything, because here's the thing now, Ocho, I'm looking at, and I really thought like this. Everything that I wanted to do, I was doing it for her. Now she's no longer here. What am I doing it for? Man, boy, you're preaching to the choir.

You hear me? Oh, we. And that's when I don't think people, I don't think people understand that enough. Everything I did in my life, was for her and to make her proud. Well, she's no longer here. What's the point?

And you know, I think people, you know why people don't understand too long? Is they never understand it because they haven't been through it. It's hard for you to understand some if you've never been through it. You never lost someone close to you. You never lost that meant a lot to you. Thanks. Apart from them to understand, they just say, well, we don't care that it happened.

once you touch that quarter, once you touch that field, we're expecting you to look like the player that you say you are or the player that we view you as. Yeah. But it's hard for them to understand. And I think when you have deaths in the family, especially a mom or grandma, when you go out and play through that, fellas,

it's like a sense of calming if you can relate, meaning like you never get too excited, but you're in a calm state to where, where you're just so focused and determined. And that's what it looks like to me from Kat. You know, you can tell in his post conferences, press conferences, he's always talking about his mother. And that's what I sense from him.

I sense a great calming from him. He doesn't seem too overwhelmed for the moment. He's just enjoying it and he's embracing it, bro. You know what I mean? He knows how to, you know, put his stamp on this series. And he's been doing it in these first two games. and I think he's determined the fact that he's a kid from up north

from Jersey. Man, he knows what his legacy will be like to win two more games than be an NBA champion. Think about how they revere those Willis Reed, the Busher, Earl de Pearl,

and Clyde. Hell, Phil Jackson was on the bench and if Phil Jackson still get loved, we know he came to be one of the three-three-grade, his coaches in NBA history, but he was on those teams. It's something about when you win championships in certain cities, you're mythical. You win a check.

Look at the Cowboys. Look at them look at Troy, Emmett and Mike, the Steelers. Man, the Steelers go back, man, hey, I remember we used to go back to the Steelers because we played there and to see all those legends,

to see Joe Green, to see Mel Blunt, to see all those guys and all those guys on the side, like, damn, they're revered. You win a championship at the Knicks. I'll tell you what, Uncle Joe. What's that?

Who's the mayor of New York City? Madami. If I'm a Damami, if the Knicks, well, the Knicks are going to pull us off. At what game they, I don't know. I had Knicks and six, but the way it's looking, I mean, Uncle Joe, it might be Nixon folk.

I'm just being respectful. I'm being respectful. But if I'm Mandami, I'm changing Statue Liberty to Jay. in the brusson. Oh, man. Huh? Hey, he might get a statue out front.

The Knicks might start putting statues of players out front. Bill Bradley was also on that team. He ended up becoming a senator. Look, look at it. What is New York known for? They're the mecca of basketball. Basketball, yeah. They're the mecca of basketball.

You know, you go to all these, the rucker parks and all these parts they got in New York. Man, it's tradition. You know, did basketball? ball is huge in New York, bro. You know, so for them to get a championship in 2006, man, they're going to flip that thing upside down. You hear me?

You're absolutely right, Joe. You absolutely right. This is, I mean, it's crazy, and they're playing unbelievable, and the way they played and they've dealt with so much heartbreak. Think about the previous two years, Joe How has ended. Remember, they knocked off the ball in Celtics. They thought, eh, it's smooth sailing now? We don't got the big bad wolf.

outside the way. We're straight. We're kosher. And then. In the other. Huck up on there. Yeah. And so this, and you know,

they definitely don't want to let this, this opportunity get squanded away. Hey, as Kobe famously said, rest your soul, Colb. Job's not done. Job's not done. I'm ready for tomorrow.

Who you got tomorrow, huh? You've been wrong all series long. Yeah, we've been the wrong all season. Oh, Joe. Man, I, Ocho, we got to get at least six games, Ocho. Well, you got to spurs again. I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going on my heart. I ain't going on my head.

My head tell me the, honestly, my head tell me the Knicks probably going to win by double figures. But my heart won't let me pick them because I really, really need more game seven. You think they're going to kick their butt on game three? Joe, what you got? Joe, you still going for the Spurs? Yeah, I got the Spurs winning game three-O. Joe, I'm sticking with my guns. I'm going down Blazing.

I'm going down shooting this thing, partner. You hear me? I'm going. I'm letting the clip go. Hey, hey, hey, I need the Spurs. Joe, so you shooting all your shots and then throwing the gun to be after you. I'm going to be running at the end.

I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm going. I'm telling you, the Spurred need to feel the same way, man. Hey, hey, hey, they got to throw the kids of the same way, man. Hey, you're right. You're right.

You're right. They can think all they want. Oh, Joe, Joe, two seats. Center Court for game three just sold on Stubhull. Stubhub, excuse me, 26 rolls up. So, sent a court, 26 rolls up, $36,012 for the pair. 36 rolls up. 26 rolls up, $36,000.

So basically $18,000 a pair. 26 rolls up. Listen, there's history. People want to beat it. Yeah. I was. Everybody wanted to say it saw. I was there.

And even, even if they weren't there, they're going to be people saying that was there. Boy, I like, you ain't heard how many people say that they was there when the mess won and when. Yeah. Derek Jeter hit the ball load of the fence against the diamond backs and forced the game. And they go, hey, they're going to have pictures of videos this time, though. Everybody got their camera phone. They're going to let you know they was in the building. Everybody, everybody was there at the Belmont when,

when Secretary won by all those lists, man, you should have seen it. That, hey, that chestnut coat was rut. Let's stop it. All of a sudden, they said it was about 50,000 hours. There's been 600,000 people being added. So look, look, look. If game three like this, game four,

prices go over, fellas, y'all know that right. Oh, for sure. Actually, yes. It's going to be even crazier. Go ahead, Joe. I'm going to say you're not, you're not playing for the game. You're not paying for a game.

You're not paying for game four. You're paying to be a part of history. Yeah. You're right. To say they was in the building. Yes. Yes. Damn that.

Man, think about it, Joe. Think about a lot of times when famous people have a home going for famous people. How many people show up? Just to say I was a part of it. Just to say I saw him. The famous story is that the lady, the guy took his daughter to Babe Ruth homegoing. And the reporter asked him, well, she doesn't even know who Babe Ruth is. She won't even remember this when she gets sold out to tell her.

I mean, when you see family members that they have, I remember Drew Brees had his son and he had his own. He's not going to remember, he don't remember that. But guess what? When they play that back and he's 15, he's 25 and he's married and has his own kid, that's a dad. That's your granddad. History.

Yeah. History. I was a part of that. And so it's always great. I wish, you know, my kids got an opportunity to be there for the Super Bowls and to see that. And to like, to see them, you know, got their hands. But they were bigger than Drew's kid. My kid was.

Yeah. Five. Not my kids were five. Yeah. Five. They about to be six. So they really remember it. And then in 2000,

they really remember it. Because not in 8, 8, 9. Man, it was to have them to be a part of that. That's one good thing about Ocho, about you and I having kids at the age in which we had them

because they got an opportunity. Somebody don't have to tell them what their dad did. They got an opportunity to experience. And my son, you know, I got to, you know, he's on the sideline. I mean, I got a photo of him.

He's two. And my mom hands him to me on the sideline. And, you know, he's going, you know, he's all. excited he on the bench, high-fiving the guys. He's a part of him. He go in the locker room and he cool to have that moment.

Boy, to be a part of this and the fans have been waiting for so long. Long time. Go ahead. Joe, amen. Hey, Uncle Joe. What's that? When you talk about history, you know,

and what the Knicks have been able to do, what they haven't done in, you know, in 53 years, is we get to play these clips back, right, that we've had on this show. You know, we get to play back every series with the Nixon played and me actually predicting Oh, man. I thought you were really talking about something.

I am talking about something. I would think of, I thought, I thought, but he'll be able to be. I'm thinking you really going somewhere with this. I'm going somewhere. If you think about it, I've predicted what we're seeing and witnessing series by series. So that in itself is also a part of history. Huh? We got to understand.

You all see what I'm saying, chat? This is why some people you can't. Man, you can't. You can't. You just don't know how to act. Listen, I know I know how to act. I'm nice and calm. You see, I'm nice and calm.

I'm humble about it. And I'm... How are you humbled about it? That wasn't even the topic we were talking about. But we were on the topic of history. I'm just telling you how I predicted history. So that makes me a part of history. Come on, Spur.

Come on, Spur. Come on, Spur. Come on, Spur. Don't it won't it won't. what, I'm going to have the editing team to edit this up out of me. That's one thing I can do. I have them edit where you predicted the Spurs to win,

have them edited right on up out of there. And so when you look back in 10 years from now, when you tell your grandkids that Papa predicted that and said, where is it, Papa, here we go. Then you're going to call Ash and say, Ash, where is that clip where I predicted

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Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like, after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've heard of the Mavericks for your $55 million extension offer in 2022 per Mark Stein. The Brunson camp basically laughed at them and said, we'll take our chances in free agency. Now, you guys had your chance. The Mavs still had an option.

at that point of picking up your phone and saying, Jalen, we completely screwed this up. We're deeply sorry. We've disrespected you. We want to make it right by offering him five years at a 150. Joe, when you look at what they had, they had Jalen Brunson and they had Luca Donchich in their back court. Luca nor Jalen Brunson is there.

How could they have fumbled this so bad? I don't know if Luca and Jalen could have really, longevity-wise, really played. think this was a perfect scenario for Brunson to come to New York, to have a ball in his hands, to be the dominant ball handler, to be the playmaker, the score that he ultimately wanted to be. I think flip-flopping with Luca, I'm not sure he would have been net effective, fellas, the way he is now. You know what I mean?

The best thing to happen is Luca got hurt. And then he showed he could be a one. He could be a big dog. He could be a lead dog. Luca doesn't get hurt. I'm not so sure that maybe they would have. Maybe they would have. It's hard to say, but we don't get an opportunity to see

because when Luca got hurt, we got an opportunity to see just how great he was. Yeah. And sometimes that's what it takes. And with that, you know, he's seen his value. You know, hold on, hold on. You mean y'all going lowballed me with a $55, $50 million. Man, come on, bro.

That's not even lowball. That's disrespectful. Come on. You know what? Don't even worry about it. I just play this damn. see, I play this year out, and we see what the chips fall, where they lay at, and we'll figure it out from there.

I've been in that situation. We have to turn down 50, 55 million, bro, and bet on yourself and go out there and act a fool. I know, I know what it's like, and that's basically what Brunson and done. You know, he created that value for himself and, and, you know, took it and ran with it, bro. Going to New York, I think was the best, probably best decision he made. I agree. bro, if Wally Pipp don't have a headache that day,

do we know about Lou Gehr? That's a good one. Drew Bledso. Are we sure? Tom Brady's going to get an opportunity? Sometimes something has to be moved in order for you to be moved in. And then, guess what? He gets the lead.

Luke is out, what, four weeks, six weeks. I don't remember how long. And Brunson acted of food. He did. He did. He was a straight-up donkey, shoulder hit. You know what. Yeah.

And now it's like, hold on, this dude really good. You're like, yeah, but as Fat Joe say, yesterday's price is not today's price. Yeah. So you should have got a, you should have got that years ago. Yeah. And now it's, we've priced ourselves out of what you can pay. because him and Luca, you're not going to give him one 50.

I don't think they were going to give him 150 and then turn around and have to give Luca what they gave him. Right. And still be, you know, a competitive to where you can continue to win here. Exactly. That's the Western Conference.

You know what I mean? Like at the same time, you still got two guys who aren't great defensively, but offensively they juggernauts. Yeah. Supreme. They're Supreme. And then when you got two guys like that making that kind of money,

you basically got to just have marginal players that just want to take the ball out, rebound, and... Gee League guys. You got to go get you a handful of them dudes just to fill out your roster. And that's basically, you look at, even when you look at I think that's how Boston going to end up being in a couple years, because they're going to have to cut, they still going to have to cut

salary with some of them guys. When you got Jason Tatum and Jaylor Brown, yeah, that's $600 million. That's $600. cap. Yeah. Is it true? I mean, I read something where they say Jalen Brown put his a $5 million dollar condo if I don't know if that's true. I don't know if it's true. It's insinuating some things though. Yeah, I saw it on Twitter as well. Maybe unless he's trying to downsize, which I were highly doubt anytime you see someone's someone's house, especially a player go up for sale, most of the time that means that they're moving on. Or, or, yeah, he could be moving on coming home

to the ATL. You hear me? Coming who? Coming to the ATL. To the Hawks? Yeah. I would think Jalen Brown wants to go somewhere we had the opportunity to compete for a championship. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you're trying to say? Oh, I ain't trying to say nothing bad, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

I'm just trying to be realistic. You add him to what these guys already got. Obviously, you may have to lose a piece or two. You mean to tell me that him and Jalen, him and Jalen, won't be, you know, two of the best one, two punches in the Eastern Conference? It would probably be one punch. I don't know about two. Oh, man, you're triven.

You're triven. You're triven. You're tripping. You're tripping. No, you ain't being real listening. I know you're on your high horse because you picked the league. I'm not that. I know you're feeling good.

I already know I'll let, but you got to chill, bro. I'm chilling, Joe. I'm just saying, you talk about a one-two punch, but I mean, as much as you prop up, you know, Jaydon Johnson to be who you say he is, he hasn't been that yet. I haven't seen it yet, especially with the last series that we watched when the Hawks was playing. That was his first, Ocho, that was his first playoff series him playing in. Bro, it was a learning experience from him.

He's going to be better next year. Trust me. I mean, it's still basketball, ain't it, Joe? Yeah, but he's going to be better, Ocho. He's still young. He ain't, but, what, 23? I mean, Kobe was young, too. Everybody, everybody learned a little differently, bro.

Okay, okay. You know? Hey, yeah, yeah, give him a man some time. You mean, we had, J.B., boy, please. Okay, yeah, no, no disrespect. No disrespect. The way you're unk been disrespecting my hoax this postseason? Boy, yeah, I know how you get into it.

You're always into it. You're guilty by association, all right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I ain't say nothing. But I didn't say nothing. I was just over there. I know what you're thinking, though.

I know what you think. I know what going on. Yeah. Hey, Joe, and just you hype him up to a point to where I'm expecting to see greatness and I'm not seeing greatness. So when you pipe them up the way you do, I'm just confused. Oh, Joe. We're the only damn team.

We're the only team. games. Huh? Maybe we're watching two different hog games. No, no, no, no. We're the only damn team who to beat the Knicks in the past two damn months seemed like. Well, what are you all at right now? I know. Okay, but we got a little building to do. That's a little stepping stone in the right direction. You hear me?

Yeah. My bad. What the hell of them damn heat was at this year? The who? The Miami Heat. Oh, I mean. All right, all right, all right. You said they're getting yonness. Yeah, but listen. But it seemed to me I'd be hearing a lot of buzz

about Yon is going to the cell. Me too, man. Man, come on, man. I already told y'all what the deal is, but all right. Look. I mean, it's, you know what, guys, and I think sometimes it's easy for us to look in hindsight and say, yeah, they should have did this. But I can assure you, if they thought Brunson was going to be this,

they probably would have offered it more than what they offered it. You don't know. I mean, every time, oh, Joe, think about all the time we see receivers and guys go, hey, man, that joke will be, hey, he did it don't pan out. Nobody talks about that. They always talks about the opportunity that, you know, everybody talked about, oh, this, this, this, uh, I was down on my look. I was down to my last two dollars.

And I turned this into a billion dollar empire. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look at. If y'all think, if the clip was new, Shay were going to be this here, they had, they told Paul George stay his ass where he at. And they say, Paul, they say, why you go on over to the Lakers? Because we're not giving up, we're not giving up, right. Right. Right.

So that's exactly what they would have told them. With that being said, when players, when things like this happen to players or what they feel slighted, because they've been traded, which it kind of makes you to some degree feel like, oh, man, these dudes, they think I was good enough. You know what I mean? And now you take that, you pack that, you carry that on your back, bro, for the rest of your career. You know what I mean?

I think they had a lot to do with how Shay end up turning out to be who he ultimately wanted to be was the MVP, two-time MVP. He put in the work. He put in the time. was committed to his craft. Same thing with Brunson. He probably felt like, you know, the math slighted him. Damn, y'all only offer me 50, 55 M's for real.

Like, come on, bro. You know what? I'm going to take my talents elsewhere. I'm going to go to New York. Not only am I going to go to New York. I'm going to take less money so they can build a team around me to where, ultimately, in the next three, four, five years, we can be competing for a title.

And here we are. voila. Alicia can you say it. New York where dreams are made of, there's nothing you can't do. Streetlights will inspire you. With Jellie Bruns and got inspired, damn it. He got inspired. He went to New York and just been a damn food since he got there.

And he's now, he has an opportunity to be in Nick's lore. I don't know, you know, people like, well, where do you rank him? I don't know. Look, I understand what Earl of Pearl and Walt Clyde, and I know what Willis Reed, I know what they rent, and Patrick Ewing, but it's going to be hard,

it's going to be hard. It's going to be extremely hard. Jalen Brunson get a title to say he ain't one of the two or three best next player if they ever put on. Who we? Yeah, that's going to be something else. He'd do that.

Man, listen, if they win a tie, it ain't just Brunson. They hold damn coaching staff team. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike Brown definitely, definitely, you know, yeah, he's been coached a year,

you know, he's been to an NBA finals. When Steve Kerr was out, you know, he coached that team, but it didn't take you look. You got KD and Stel Curry and Clay. This right here, doing this right here, because they didn't change anything but the coaching staff. There was the same exact same players. Sometimes.

The exact same players. And, you know, sometimes it's timing too. You know, the Knicks have been through some grueling playoff series over the past few years. They hadn't got to where, Ultimately, they thought they should be, which is in the NBA final. They came up short. And by adding Mike Brown, he's got a team who's experienced, who has great chemistry and continuity,

and they are up and ready for the challenge, bro. Timing is everything. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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Then after that game seven, Marquis come in, he's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? And it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit. It's not just a game. It's your culture.

I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernando Chavari, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. Listen to American Football on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Everyone sees me as a football player,

but before anything else, I'm human. Every single day, I'm saying, still learning how to live with problems, mistakes, relationships, emotions ever since I was born. This isn't a normal podcast. Everything here is spontaneous, real and genuine, just honest conversations about what it means to be alive. I'm Javierito Hernandez and listen to Learning to Be Human on IHard Radio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.